In Spiderman 3 should Harry Osbourne be a monster.

[gamemiester]

Now before you look at the thread title and think im a nut I just had an idea.

If Harry does become the next Green goblin it would be kinda repetitive if he was the same as the first goblin but just with better equipment.

In the ultimate universe Green goblin becomes a monster im not sure about harry just yet I aint got that far.

But does anyone think it would be better to have him a large monster type creature instead or not.

If venom is "In" the movie 2 monsters would be too much the same but if he isnt then I think he should take that appearence.

[TheCardPlayer]

Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CrashNburn]

No Way!!

[CrashNburn]

Although I Do Give You Credit For The Idea.

[AnimeJune]

Now before you look at the thread title and think im a nut I just had an idea.

If Harry does become the next Green goblin it would be kinda repetitive if he was the same as the first goblin but just with better equipment.

In the ultimate universe Green goblin becomes a monster im not sure about harry just yet I aint got that far.

But does anyone think it would be better to have him a large monster type creature instead or not.

If venom is "In" the movie 2 monsters would be too much the same but if he isnt then I think he should take that appearence.I think not. Harry does become a monster in the Ultimate universe, but that's because his father did, too.

I think he should definitely have a different costume, but overall, it won't be a problem. Why? Because Harry is an idiot - he's not HALF the man his father was, so it stands to reason he won't be HALF the villain the first Green Goblin was. He won't be a main villain, he won't be a terribly difficult threat, he will be there to cause emotional anguish for Peter/Spidey. He'll drunkenly crash into a few buildings and steal a few old ladies' purses, but he won't be a copy of Green Goblin by any means. Keep him human.

A) because, as you said, it'd be too similar to Venom
B) It's not consistant with what the first movie established about the Goblin serum.

[Cmill216]

Although I Do Give You Credit For The Idea.
An idea that was brought up ages ago? :down

[CrashNburn]

An idea that was brought up ages ago? :down

OH!! WHOOPS!!

[CrashNburn]

Nice Catch Then,i Guess.

[AnimeJune]

Please edit instead of double-posting small sentences, Crash.

[gamemiester]

Oh i didnt know about that

[Cmill216]

You see, not many people actually like the Ultimate Goblin (AKA poor man's Hulk). So, don't believe for a second we're going to see that on film.

Oh, and gamemiester: In USM, Harry does become the Hobgoblin, a big a$$ orange monster. :down

[CrashNburn]

Please edit instead of double-posting small sentences, Crash.
Sorry! My bad!:O

[gamemiester]

He does ill go look for a pic then.

[AnimeJune]

You see, not many people actually like the Ultimate Goblin (AKA poor man's Hulk). So, don't believe for a second we're going to see that on film.

Oh, and gamemiester: In USM, Harry does become the Hobgoblin, a big a$$ orange monster. :downIndeed - they turned the Goblin from a crazed but intelligent villain into a barely-controllable animal - they stripped away the essence of his personality! I'm a huge fan of the Ultimate comics, but I think they could have done better by Goblin.

[Cmill216]

Indeed - they turned the Goblin from a crazed but intelligent villain into a barely-controllable animal - they stripped away the essence of his personality! I'm a huge fan of the Ultimate comics, but I think they could have done better by Goblin.
The whole Hobgoblin arc was a mess.

[gamemiester]

Why whats so bad about it

[Cmill216]

Why whats so bad about it
The way it was handled was just really weak. I think it's like four or five parts, but the first three or four are just endless "MJ/Harry/Peter talk" and then the battle.

[Immortalfire]

No. A thousand times NO :down

[AnimeJune]

Why whats so bad about itWell, like someone mentioned, they turned the Goblins from criminal masterminds to drooling Hulk copies. Instead of planning plots and running schemes, they'd pop themselves with chemicals, mutate into green, horny freaks, and run rampant through the city shooting fireballs out of their hands until they were gunned down by authorities.

[gamemiester]

oh yeah i see what you mean.

[Lando81]

No....no one is stupid enough to even think of puting monsters in the movie. Venom will not be a monster.

[gamemiester]

what will he be then

[Cmill216]

what will he be then

A semi-monster. ;)

[The Joker]

Yeah that's all we need,Bendis' lame ideas getting into the movies.Bad enough we're getting Venom-lite,but a Goblin monster too??

No thanks :down

[wolfsfang]

Well mentally speaking the Green Goblins are monsters cuz they are greedy selfish evil people who think nothing of hurting others to further their own agendas. So in that way they are as much MONSTERS as Hitler was.

But if this thread is talking about physical appearance then I would have to respond in the negative. It is most likely that Harry will use Norman's formula and get the same powers and seeing as Norman had no physical changes the odds are that Harry won't either (about 99% sure but hey you never know)

[Lando81]

I mean that Venom Will be like an Anti-Spiderman. Like something from the negative zone maybe.

[AnimeJune]

I mean that Venom Will be like an Anti-Spiderman. Like something from the negative zone maybe.I don't know about the negative zone, but Raimi's choice of Topher Grace - who is similar in many respects to Tobey Maguire - supports the anti-Spidey theory. They'll give someone similar to Spidey similar powers, but he's a lesser person and so will turn into a villain (Venom) instead of a hero.

[wolfsfang]

Venom is the anti-spider-man already, or to put it another way he is the typical evil twin.

They have the same kind of powers (wall clinging, web swinging) but where as Peter has some sucess as a photographer (not much but some) Brock is doomed as a reporter, his life is in ruins and as far as I remember he has no friends to speak of. Peter's life could also be said to be cahotic at worst but he still has friends to turn to if he is feeling low.

Because he is a connection to the people Peter realises that he must use his abilities for the good but Brock feels that people owe him for all the torment he has suffered which for some reason he feels mostly is the fault of Spidey/Peter. So he uses his "Spider-abilities" to punish eveyone he feels as wronged him.

This is much the same way the Evil twin stories work in tv and books. The good twin has everything while his identical twin has nothing so the one with nothing blames the one with everything for his own bad luck and shortcomings and sets out to ruin/destroy him.

Simple really

[The Infernal]

This is a horrible idea. Like people have said before it's been done in the Ultimate comics and that is one of the worst things they have done. The Ultimate Goblin's are basically Hulk-Lite.

Changing him from a man in a suit to a monster changes the dynamic. He would rely more on his strength than his intelligence. This is what has happened in Ultimate Spider-man.

[wolfsfang]

I agree. GG does have super strength on par with Spidey but he relies more on his brains then his brawn using his advanced intellect to win his battles.

[Murder]

This would be a travesty and an insult to Harry. This is just another reason why I couldn't get into the Ultimate series. The way they changed the Goblins, the complete disrespect to the character Shocker.ugh Cheers!

[Infinity9999x]

Well, like someone mentioned, they turned the Goblins from criminal masterminds to drooling Hulk copies. Instead of planning plots and running schemes, they'd pop themselves with chemicals, mutate into green, horny freaks, and run rampant through the city shooting fireballs out of their hands until they were gunned down by authorities.

Well, by the second and third time Norman injected himself, he had gained controll of his "hulk" side. He was still cold and calculating. Harry was really the one that was most Hulk like. Norman was only Hulk-Goblin the first time he changed.

Really, I would have thought the Goblins awesome if they had kept the same apperance, just a little less bulky. So basically still have them turn into monsters, but also have it drive them completley crazy, but keep their intelligence. That way they would be basically very simmilar to the original goblins, with a better look. Because, lets face it, the Ultimate Goblins would be a whole hell of a lot scarier then their 616 counterparts.

[Cmill216]

Well, by the second and third time Norman injected himself, he had gained controll of his "hulk" side. He was still cold and calculating. Harry was really the one that was most Hulk like. Norman was only Hulk-Goblin the first time he changed.

Doesn't matter, though. The characterization just wasn't as dynamic and as psychologically well conceived.

[Infinity9999x]

Doesn't matter, though. The characterization just wasn't as dynamic and as psychologically well conceived.

Yeah, I'll give you that, they definatley could have made that much better. Hopefully they'll make norman into a more interesting Villian if they use him some more. I did like the hypnotherapy subplot with Harry though, and I'm still trying to figure out whats going on w/ that assain dude that only Harry seems to see. (I've only got the USM trades up to #14 so if they've gone back into that I haven't read anything about it)

[AnimeJune]

This would be a travesty and an insult to Harry. This is just another reason why I couldn't get into the Ultimate series. The way they changed the Goblins, the complete disrespect to the character Shocker.ugh Cheers!To Harry?

Believe me, whichever Goblin he turns out to be, he will not be a main villain, or even a particularly menacing one. The movies have gone out of their way to portray him as a screw-up - a vain, stupid, careless, whiny drunk with severe daddy issues. He wasn't half the man Norman was, and he will not be half the villain Daddy Goblin was, either. He'll be present as an emotional dilemma for Peter Parker, but he won't be the main threat at all.