What if Loeb wrote Hush Returns instead?

[trustyside-kick]

Now, this is not some Loeb supporter thread or anything.

The only reason why I am making this is to see people's views on this because it seems that a lot of people disliked Hush Returns and Hush Vs. Joker Round 2. Also, appearently Gotham Knights series has ended and people blame those two stories which makes sense.

Don't you think that if Loeb wrote it it would have been better? After all, his storyarc Hush was when the villain was created. Maybe if he was the writer for Hush Returns at least it would have been better.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Would have been 10x as better as the crap we got.

[hippie_hunter]

Would have been 10x as better as the crap we got.

QFT

[trustyside-kick]

I believe I asked this in another thread but never got a response...what is QFT?

[hippie_hunter]

Quoted for truth.

Because Loeb would have written a sequel to Hush much better than the crap we got from Lieberman.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Honestly......the stuff we got....it didn't even make sense. First it was Tommy....then it wasn't Tommy....then it is Tommy......then Batman sets Tommy up at the end to get killed by the Joker.......wtf??

And....the thing, with the Joker talking to birds and using them as attack dogs....training them (wtf?!!) to attack.......seriously.......horrible horrible stuff.

[warren_sparta27]

if leob had written Hush returns it would of been great...because Leob is the best writer in the world :)

but really, i don't think they should of used Hush again, not for a couple years at least.

[Joker]

And....the thing, with the Joker talking to birds and using them as attack dogs....training them (wtf?!!) to attack

Yep,that's Penguin's gig not Joker's.

Also in Hush Returns,Joker was named as Jack,and we found out his wife was murdered and the Riddler witnessed it all.I mean what rubbish is this?? That completely pisses all over the Killing Joke's origin.

[trustyside-kick]

Ya..after re-reading those parts in the story at Barens and Noble I never understood why Joker would have those birds to do his bidding. :down

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yep,that's Penguin's gig not Joker's.

Also in Hush Returns,Joker was named as Jack,and we found out his wife was murdered and the Riddler witnessed it all.I mean what rubbish is this?? That completely pisses all over the Killing Joke's origin.

Eactly. The Penguin does the bird thing......since when does the Joker do that??

And the thing with his wife......it sucked it. Sucked. It. Hard.

[CConn]

As Zev once brilliantly remarked, A. J. Lieberman is DC's answer to Chuck Austen.

Unfortunately, with the way Loeb has been writing of late, I don't think he could've even pulled off that great of a story - but it would be better, definitely better than Lieberman's.

[trustyside-kick]

As Zev once brilliantly remarked, A. J. Lieberman is DC's answer to Chuck Austen.

Unfortunately, with the way Loeb has been writing of late, I don't think he could've even pulled off that great of a story - but it would be better, definitely better than Lieberman's.

You did not like Hush I am guessing? I loved it.

[CConn]

Loeb started going downhill in '04, after Hush.

Personally, I think it's overrated, but still enjoyable.

[Ibn]

Quoted for truth.

Because Loeb would have written a sequel to Hush much better than the crap we got from Lieberman.

OH............ heh. I thought is might have been Quite F***** True. Oh well.

[Bullseye]

Revieling more about The Joker's origin in Gotham Knights issues #51-#54 does not take anything away from The Killing Joke. It made sense and was probably one of the best stories the creative team of Gotham Knights offered.

After that story arc, the book went in a wrong direction.

[Mee]

If Loeb had wrote it, I might have read it. I'd love to see Loeb and Lee team up again.

[Bullseye]

Unless Lee moves to Marvel there won't be a team-up with Lee and Loeb for a while unless Loeb is still under contract with DC.

[Mee]

Unless Lee moves to Marvel there won't be a team-up with Lee and Loeb for a while unless Loeb is still under contract with DC.
Oh I forgot about that. Loeb's on Ultimates.

[Bullseye]

That and "Onslaught Reborn" with Rob Liefeld as the artist.

[The Batman]

Lee and loeb were supposed to do 6 more issues

[Bullseye]

Six more issues of what?

[The Batman]

of Batman issues. IT was gonna be a sequel to hush, wrapping up the whole Harvey Dent thing

[Bullseye]

Ah, I think I remember hearing about a sequel to Hush.

[Silver Ghost]

Hush was napalm on Batman continuity, there was nowhere to advance such a limited and artificial creation. The series forced other writers into the impossible situation of accommodating an illogical, gimmick driven storyline to fit into a more realistic landscape the mythos had become in the past few decades.
The main theme originally should have been closed up by the end of Hush, but Loeb has never had enough discipline as a writer to properly end storylines - unearned, improbable shocking moments don't count.

[hippie_hunter]

Lee and loeb were supposed to do 6 more issues

Loeb and Sale were also going to do Captain America: White and Busiek was going to do another Marvel story, but they can't do to exclusitivity contracts.

I'm really hoping that Sale won't renew his contract with DC, that way he can work with Loeb again. He should go freelance.

[trustyside-kick]

Maybe to revive Gotham Knights and the Hush character himself...maybe they should take that out of continuity and redo a better one. :P

[Sandman138]

Hush was napalm on Batman continuity, there was nowhere to advance such a limited and artificial creation. The series forced other writers into the impossible situation of accommodating an illogical, gimmick driven storyline to fit into a more realistic landscape the mythos had become in the past few decades.
The main theme originally should have been closed up by the end of Hush, but Loeb has never had enough discipline as a writer to properly end storylines - unearned, improbable shocking moments don't count.

I more or less agree with this. Leiberman wrote a pathetic story, but Hush as a character never worked from the start. The only person Hush made any sense as was Tommy, and all that leaves you with is a pretty generic revenge plot. Outside of that, the villian is nothing. He was a one note character and bringing him back never would have worked.