POLL CW Which Side You On?

[Venom Drool]

considering the CW thread is filled with gag banners and no serious dicussion can be made, i've created a poll. Mods can move this in there if they choose to.

So make your choice.

[Ultimate Hero]

Iron man is being a manipulative jerk at the moment, and Cap totally kicked ass on the first issue, so I'm going with Cap!

I'll be following Spidey mostly though.

[SpideyLad]

Cap's side

[CaptainStacy]

But does Iron Man being a "manipulative jerk" really have anything to do with the issue at hand?

As a parent, and property owning, tax-paying citizen, i'd probably have to side with Iron Man.

But deep down in my heart, i'm rooting for Cap.

[SpideyInATree]

I have a serious problem with authority so I'd be siding with Cap. And I'd convince Spider-Man to change sides and to dump MJ.

[Venom Drool]

whether we like it or not.. heroes are around in order to protect us from all the terrible ****t that would happen. if registering them hinders that than i think Cap is on the right side. the only ones who want to register are the ones who will benefit from it. The rest will suffer and have their lives drastically altered.

[SpideyInATree]

Like Spider-Man.

[Venom Drool]

exactly

[MajinShenron]

I like Cap more but Ironman raises better points in my opinion.

[Venom Drool]

explain?

[SpiderScream]

Iron Man is completely correct, imo. :up:

[Venom Drool]

Iron Man is completely correct, imo. :up:

if you read CW issue one...considering he is siding with the government.. he isnt

if you read ASM only than yea.. but clearly.. he isn't on the same page as he was then...

[imdaly]

I have a feeling that Millar's gonna purposely try to get us to jump back and forth between sides as much as possible. Issue #1 clearly wants us to side with Cap, but I'm betting that we're gonna be conviced the other way around in Issue #2.

[Kraven]

That would be something, but as of now I'm with Cap.

[Ultimate Hero]

But does Iron Man being a "manipulative jerk" really have anything to do with the issue at hand?

As a parent, and property owning, tax-paying citizen, i'd probably have to side with Iron Man.

But deep down in my heart, i'm rooting for Cap.

Yes and no (for me anyway). The fact that he has manipulated Spider-Man and other people already to try and get what he wants doesn't cut it for me. However, I know he's been trying to manipulate people for the better of the super hero community, so I can sympathise with his situation (and of course I can see the advantages of registering). I can see why many of the super heroes are siding with Iron Man, but I think his way isn't the best way (from what we know)
Personally, I wouldnt register if I was in the situation. Maybe its my age and the fact that I don't have any financial responsibilities, but I live with my parents and if I were a super hero and a super villian were to find out my identity, that would be endangering my family.

Has it actually been said whether or not the identities will be publicly known or if the government will just contain them?

[Venom Drool]

it wouldnt be public.. but info like that can be bought and stolen.. a point made by i believe IM himself in ASM.

[Silverstein]

Marvel should make Civil War t-shirts. Like instead of "I'm with stupid" it should say "I'm with Cap'n A" or "I'm with Iron Man".

Anyway, I'm on Captain America/Spidey's side. But I have a question about this. It still seems illogical to me that citizens have been reading about heroes all this time and have been saved by them for years now, it doesn't make sense that people would want them outed or whatever. Hulk has been going on rampages for years no one wanted to out the other heroes because of him.


And technically isn't this all just a rip off/parody/homeage to Watchmen? Basically the same things are happening.

[CaptainStacy]

Marvel should make Civil War t-shirts. Like instead of "I'm with stupid" it should say "I'm with Cap'n A" or "I'm with Iron Man".

Anyway, I'm on Captain America/Spidey's side. But I have a question about this. It still seems illogical to me that citizens have been reading about heroes all this time and have been saved by them for years now, it doesn't make sense that people would want them outed or whatever. Hulk has been going on rampages for years no one wanted to out the other heroes because of him.


And technically isn't this all just a rip off/parody/homeage to Watchmen? Basically the same things are happening.

Wasn't Watchmmen a rip off/parody/homage to Gruenwald's Squadron Supreme?

[CaptainStacy]

Maybe its my age and the fact that I don't have any financial responsibilities, but I live with my parents and if I were a super hero and a super villian were to find out my identity, that would be endangering my family.

True, but aren't the families of policemen, Federal agents, judges, and lawyers under the same risk? And THEY have no super powers to defend themselves with.

[Themanofbat]

True, but aren't the families of policemen, Federal agents, judges, and lawyers under the same risk? And THEY have no super powers to defend themselves with.

C'mon Cap... Despite you being a parent and all, we all know you wish you could be like Spidey. ;) :cool:

:)

[stillanerd]

Well, logically, superbeing registration would make sense...just not how it's presented here. Besides, we're not supposed to be rooting for Iron Man. Civil War and the comics leading up to it have so stacked the deck in favor of anti-registration, we "silly" readers are supposed to be rooting for that side.

[Citizen_Kaine]

I got three main titles featuring "hero's getting hunted"

Lets go Reg'! :up:

[stillanerd]

Yeah, Deadpool will stick it to those pajama wearing "rebels" big time. :D

[Ultimate Hero]

True, but aren't the families of policemen, Federal agents, judges, and lawyers under the same risk? And THEY have no super powers to defend themselves with.

Also true, but that's why I wouldnt like to be in any of those jobs :)

All I see it as, is that if a person is saving lives on a daily basis, and in some super heroes cases saving the world on an almost daily basis, then surely they have the right to their privacy? When other super heroes such as Iron Man try and exploit and manipulate the situation they are potentionally making it worse (not that we know exactly what is going to happen anyway), even if they have the best intentions. What I really liked, but made me favour Cap a lot more, was Iron Man's readiness to try and bring Cap in to the authorities. It kinda shows that he's willing to try and take on any of his super hero buddies to get what he wants.

[shinlyle]

I'm with Cap until the bitter end.

Should heroes be rgistered, paid, federal employees? Maybe....but look at what it will breed.....a new era of America laziness.

We Americans seem so hesitant to help each other as it is, nowadays....if you have a certain group of people being paid by the government to save people and such, then how long before the common man quits helping out, and they start treating the heroes like sanitation workers?

"Hey, mister, can you help me?! My leg's caught beneath this rock!!"

"Sorry, I'm not an employed hero for the U.S. Government...I don't want you to sue me if I mess up."

It's breeds more problems than it does solutions. Should the heroes be punished for their mistakes? Yes...but not at the cost of belittling the good that they do on a daily basis. How long in the Marvel Universe before the people begin to blame the heores fro everythign and anything...especially after they've become liable by the government?

"My car....I wrecked my car....probably because Spider-Man and Shocker were fighting in the middle of the street....nto because I was drinking."

I'm telling you, you can't regulate heroics.

[MaxCarnage]

I'm kind of split on the issue, but will have to say that for the purposes of Civil War, I am on Captain America's side. On one hand, I believe that anonymity breeds chaos. These people can do whatever they want, and while that works in the comic world where these super-powered beings rarely abuse their powers, in the real world people are not that black-and-white. I would love to have superpowers, but ultimately realize that I do not because I could never be 100% responsible with them. No one could. So the idea of superpowered humans running around unchecked is just not feasible to me.

On the other hand, government beauracracy solves nothing. While registering superheroes and holding them accountable for their actions might at first lead to some kind of...I don't know, sanity; ultimately the shackles of politics would fall on the superhero gig and beauracracy would overcome the sanity. A situation necessitating quick action might come up, but instead of leaping into action, the superheroes would have to have a meeting to plan a meeting discussing how to handle the situation. After an arrest, superheroes would have to escort the criminals to the jail so they could fill out reports and arrest paperwork. Did Spider-Man read you your Miranda Rights? No? Then you're free to go, sir.

In the comic book world, there is a balance that would be thrown off by this act. So I guess as far as the Marvel universe goes, I am on Cap's side. In the real world, I would not be as confident. If Mr. Phelps can go bad, anyone can.

[Hobgoblin]

Iron Man's side. Registering with the government doesnt change the heroes situation much at all. They still get to go out and beat the bad guys and still have secret IDs, but they have some back up. If I were a loner like Spidey, I'd be all for that. The government would want your identity and safety protected, because you are a valued employee. The military has tried making super soldiers before, but has failed, with the exception of Cap. So having these rare examples of sucessful superpowered agents working for Uncle Sam would be a huge benefit to the government.

[Grim Goblin]

Wow, in the process of writing this I noticed that it would be too long to explain my view in one post so let's call this Part 1.

To me, this isn't even an issue. Now I know that the registration act doesn't mean that heroes have to go unmask on Oprah, but most likely the government will keep the information in their computers and in an age where a teenager can hack his way into the FBI database, that comes as no comfort to me.

Some people might not agree with this, but there were very slim chances of avoiding the Stanford massacre. Even if you replaced the New Warriors with the Swat team or the military, the result would have been the same.

"Nitro, come out with your hands up! You are surrounded!" BOOM!!!

As regrettable as the event was, would people be justified (I could completely understand the grief but I'm talking objectively here) to come out against the cops or the army in that instance? I don't think so, since they would have been dealing with a problem far beyond the capacities of normal people. Knowing they were outmatched, does it mean they shouldn't have tried and just let this massive threat run free?

Was Speedball's action reckless? Maybe, but being spotted kinda forced his hand a bit. Was his motives noble? absolutely not since he did it for the ratings (a more or less accurate portrayal of Speedball depending on who you talk to). Was Namorita an idiot for posturing to a guy who explodes instead of knocking him out? A big, resounding YES!

But still, super-heroes are the guys you call (figuratively) when 911 just won't cut it. When a generic thug robs a store, sure! call the cops. But what good will that do against a super-villain that can single-handedly take on the entire swat team?

And let's not forget that the battles that super-heroes wage against their rogues have often become deeply personal. In our world, the big name criminal might not try to get revenge against the beat cop who actually handcuffed him and brought him to the precinct, but he'll surely have some hatred for the detective who dogged his steps for years trying to find the evidence to put him away. Now replace the big name criminal with a super-villain (which is pretty much the same BUT he has powers on top of that) and replace the detective with a super-hero who not only dogged him for years, but also gave him a knuckle sandwich anytime he could and you've got one hell of a personal vendetta!

And seriously, if super-heroes registered, you really believe that their families are going to be protected more efficiently? Now I don't want this to sound disrespectful because I don't say this to be witty or anything, but how many US presidents have been assassinated? How many highly regarded person under "protection" got killed in human history? Again, think about the fact that the would-be assassins WILL be beyond normal criterias and the flaws in the registration becomes quite clear.

Coming soon, Part 2: A hero's code.