Return of Ra's Al Ghul?

[Two-Face]

I just finished watching BB, I want Liam Neeson to return by using you know what.

should he in BB3 or BB4?

[El Payaso]

In any of those it will be the most predictable and cliché thing to do.

[Katsuro]

In any of those it will be the most predictable and cliché thing to do.

So? Ra's is immortal, and he should be immortal in the films. Even if it's just him having escaped the train crash, you can't kill Ra's al Ghul.

I say bring him back in the fourth film, after the Joker and Two-Face story is done with. Perhaps the fourth film could see Talia as a love interest, who it turns out is spying on Bruce for her father who's still alive. Meanwhile, Batman deals with another villain, like Bane perhaps.

[Hunter Rider]

I'd like to see him return if the story can provide a good reason for it and a way to explain him not being dead without the Lazarus pit

[Eddie Dean]

Maybe, if so it should be the last film.

[batmaluco]

I think that in BB4 would be nice for him to return, not as the main villain though. And Talia should appear as well.

[bdsproductions]

maybe.

[Ronny Shade]

YES! USE THAT DAMN YOU-KNOW-WHAT!

BB3 would be awesome...it would tie up the whole thing as a trilogy very well...unfortunately that will probably be to the detriment of following films. And there WILL be more films. I say keep the arc going longer because it will give the later movies more weight and importance. Bring him back in 4 and don't kill him this time....He can stick around for 5 and 6 and then we will have 6 AWESOME BAT FILMS:up::up:

[Two-Face]

I like to see Ra's Al Ghul return to BB4 for one last time.

[El Payaso]

Problem with immortal characters is that it is never the last time for them.

[Two-Face]

Problem with immortal characters is that it is never the last time for them.


That's a good thing, I like Ra's.:up:

[El Payaso]

But Batman will die.

Ras just have to wait 60 years (not a long time for an immortal guy) and Gotham is all his.

[Two-Face]

Unless Batman gets into Lazarus pit stuff... :D :o

[El Payaso]

Batman would never do that because of all the 'don't be like my enemies' crap.

[Two-Face]

Yeah I know Bruce wouldn't do that but after watching Liam Neeson and Christian Bale on DVD, two actors were great in every scene they played in and that getting Neeson playing in a Batman movie was awsome.

[El Payaso]

totally.....



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so?

[Two-Face]

So I want Liam Neeson to return and I'm sure Nolan & Goyer will come up with script that would make bringing back Ra's.

Title would be Batman: The Return of Ra's Al Ghul

[El Payaso]

So that's the reason.

[cerealkiller182]

I definately want Ra's to come back, with Talia. I always thought for the movie mostly because Ra's was shown as an Asian, that Talia be like Bruce, orphaned heiress who seeks revenge and stumbles across the Legue of Shadows, but she takes that step Bruce can't

EDIT--when I said orphan, I meant to allude that Ra's was not her biological father.

[Two-Face]

I definately want Ra's to come back, with Talia. I always thought for the movie mostly because Ra's was shown as an Asian, that Talia be like Bruce, orphaned heiress who seeks revenge and stumbles across the Legue of Shadows, but she takes that step Bruce can't

Sounds good.:up:

[El Payaso]

If Talia's father is immortal Ras she will never be an orphan.

[Two-Face]

If Talia's father is immortal Ras she will never be an orphan.

She would be if she thinks he's dead.

[El Payaso]

Even so she isn't. I am not a millionaire just because I think I am.

If Ra's comes back she'll probably find out.

[Two-Face]

Ouch, you got me there.

[cerealkiller182]

I meant to allude that Ra's was not her biological father.

[Two-Face]

What? Ra's is the biological father.

[cerealkiller182]

What? Ra's is the biological father.

I know. I just thought it would work better for the movie. Mostly just because it was easier and more imaginitive then just the plain soap-opera long lost daughter routine since she was not introduced in Begins. I'm not strictly attached to it. It was just an idea.

[Ronny Shade]

Talia is a grown woman. She couldve easily been off on her own by the time Bruce and Ra's ever even met.

[StorminNorman]

I would like to see the return of Ras, but I dont think it is a must have. I still voted yes.

[Kritish]

Unless Batman gets into Lazarus pit stuff... :D :o

No, because it makes him crazy for a short time.

[Ronny Shade]

Quiet Norm. It's a must have.

[COMPO]

Ra's never mentioned he had a daughter. Maybe, he trained her to help take revenge on her mother. She couldn't go through with it and he disowned her. So thta would be why he doesn't mention her.

[raybia]

But Batman will die.

Ras just have to wait 60 years (not a long time for an immortal guy) and Gotham is all his.


Yeah but Ra's has been around since the 70s battling Batman and Bats is still going strong.

[cerealkiller182]

^^^^Plus, Ra's is way too honorable to fight a geriatric

[Two-Face]

Ra's never mentioned he had a daughter. Maybe, he trained her to help take revenge on her mother. She couldn't go through with it and he disowned her. So thta would be why he doesn't mention her.

Well he did mention that he had a wife and she was taken from him. There is sign that he could have a daughter called Talia and would be a surpize to people who are not a fan of Batman and I thin it's great way to bring back Ra's in Batman 3 or 4 if they go beyond 3 movies.

[raybia]

Well he did mention that he had a wife and she was taken from him. There is sign that he could have a daughter called Talia and would be a surpize to people who are not a fan of Batman and I thin it's great way to bring back Ra's in Batman 3 or 4 if they go beyond 3 movies.


Certainly there are alot of stories Nolan could explorer concerning Ra's but I think Nolan wants to look at the other villians as well. Maybe Ra's and/or Taila will be explored further in the 4th or 5th movie. It would be cool though to have some foreshadowing in the 3rd movie, perhaps as an epilogue at the end of the movie.

[Ronny Shade]

Just because he didnt say anything about it doesn't mean it isnt there. He didn't ever say his real name...

[lujho]

Talia would be a great way to re-introduce Ra's. She meets Bruce, they hit it off, and eventually you met her father, which would be the big reveal. Or Bruce just goes down to the cave to find Ra's and Talia there. That'd throw him.

[lujho]

I always thought for the movie mostly because Ra's was shown as an Asian,

Argh! No, he wasn't. The Asian Ra's was never, ever the real one. Neeson was always the one and only real Ra's.

[Ronny Shade]

Talia'd probably have to be an alias. Like Ducard was in begins.

otherwise the whole thing will be too predictable.

[Two-Face]

Certainly there are alot of stories Nolan could explorer concerning Ra's but I think Nolan wants to look at the other villians as well. Maybe Ra's and/or Taila will be explored further in the 4th or 5th movie. It would be cool though to have some foreshadowing in the 3rd movie, perhaps as an epilogue at the end of the movie.


Exactly, that's what I thinking.:up:

Talia'd probably have to be an alias. Like Ducard was in begins.

otherwise the whole thing will be too predictable.

Well Talia would be like Ducard but then turn agaist when her father says so.

[Ronny Shade]

yeah but all the comic fans'll know something's up if a girl named Talia shows up. I'd kinda want a surprise like in Begins where its a girl names...Kathy Kane or something and then she turns out to be Talia....but maybe that's overly contrived.

[Two-Face]

No I don't want another copy of Begins storyline like (example: where Schumcher copied Forever then put them on B&R,) I mean I want original story and diferent but follows Begins movies so what her real name is Talia Bruce does not know that Talia is the daughter of Ra's until Talia or Ra's tells Bruce that.

[Ronny Shade]

So Bruce won't know, but we will. Dramatic irony.

Yeah my idea was a little lame, but I'm trying to think of ways to keep it fresh. I don't want to know everything that is going to happen.

[StorminNorman]

The more I think about it - the more I want Talia in the sequels. I also want either Natalie Portman or (her twin) Keira Knightly to play her.

[TheFalcon]

I don't think Ra's should return. There are other villains that should be used before we get to see him again. First I want to see correct versions of Joker, Two-Face, Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman etc.

I would like to have seen Talia, but that's not enough for me to want another movie with Ra's very soon. Maybe he coudl show up again if the movies makes it to 5 or 6, but I doubt they will. They'll probably stop after the trilogy is complete.

[Ronny Shade]

The more I think about it - the more I want Talia in the sequels. I also want either Natalie Portman or (her twin) Keira Knightly to play her.
I've never understood this. I've never thought Kiera and Natalie look alike.

[TheFalcon]

I've never understood this. I've never thought Kiera and Natalie look alike.

Check out Phantom Menace. Kiera played Amidala's maid and doubled for her as the Queen in some scenes.
Supposedly their own mothers had problems telling them apart on the set.

EDIT: Found some comparison pics:

http://jolagier.blog.lemonde.fr/jolagier/images/keira_nat1_1.jpg

http://jolagier.blog.lemonde.fr/jolagier/images/keira_nat2.jpg

[lujho]

Yeah, and they looked a lot more alike back then too. Nowdays not so much, Keira's face has changed.

For ages I just assumed Portman played both Padme (real Queen) and the handmaiden (decoy Queen). I thought the scenes with them both in frame were just digitally compositing separately filmed elements of Portman in each role. I was shocked when I found out the decoy was simply another actress with a strong resemblance. Of course the hair and make-up helped make them look alike.

[Ronny Shade]

But their faces don't work the same way. Expressions are totally different.

I mean sure they have a similarity which was probably more pronounced when they were younger, but their facial demeanor is totally different.

[cerealkiller182]

Argh! No, he wasn't. The Asian Ra's was never, ever the real one. Neeson was always the one and only real Ra's.

I know. But before its release that was implied, so my idea came before I saw the flick,.

[DocLathropBrown]

Only if Liam comes back. No one else is better suited to the role.

[Ronny Shade]

Only if Liam comes back. No one else is better suited to the role.
Naturally

[Two-Face]

Only if Liam comes back. No one else is better suited to the role.


If Nolan is in charge after 3 then yes Neeson will be back and if Nolan & Goyer decide to bring back Ra's.

[XCharlieX]

I think the way to do this is dont bring him back... Ras is a symbol and a name passed on, not a single man in the films. That was evident with the idea of the "wave of action" mentality as opposed to individual, and Nolans style imo.

[Katsuro]

I think the way to do this is dont bring him back... Ras is a symbol and a name passed on, not a single man in the films. That was evident with the idea of the "wave of action" mentality as opposed to individual, and Nolans style imo.

In the films there was only Ra's al Ghul, and that was Neeson's character. The other two were Ubus (Ken Watanabe and the man at the party).

I would hate to see another character in a later movie with the name Ra's. It would be pointless. Liam owned that role. I want to see Talia return, apparently seeking revenge, when we later learn that she's actually investigating Bruce for her father. Just say he made it out of the train alive, you dont even need Lazarus Pits.

[XCharlieX]

Well this i believe is the way it works best imo... Al Ghul is done.. time for a brand new plot and villain imo. Id hate for Nolans style to fall victim to the "oh he made it out" or "he took a revival pill" syndrome...thats just so un-Nolan batmanish imo. Lest we fall back into the bad sequel problem again imo, which happens subtly.. just like this ;) You dont want to cheapen the ideas by touching it again imo.

[Katsuro]

Well this i believe is the way it works best imo... Al Ghuul is done.. time for another villain imo. Id hate for Nolans style to fall victim to the "oh he made it out" or "he took a revival pill syndrome"...thats just so un-Nolan batmanish imo. Lest we fall back into the bad sequel problem again imo.

I think it's quite the opposite actually. The old movies had one or two villains appearing and being defeated at the same time, and then a short time after two more appear, almost like their taking turns. ("Oh look, Penguin's dead! Come on Riddler, it's our turn!") I'd prefer if these movies didn't dump every villain completely just cuz they'd had one movie. I still want to see Crane come back so he can be caught by Batman, and I think that later on Ra's should return, since that's what he does. He's Ra's al Ghul and he's immortal, so killing him off just doens't seem right at all.

[XCharlieX]

Well, im going to have to vote "no" respectfully. The whole speak of "immortal" by Al Ghul imo was his perception games he can play on others, no more. That was a fantastic and thematically heavy train sequence with real consequences.. "dont destroy it" imo ;)

[TheVileOne]

If it helps the story I wouldn't mind seeing it happen.

Here's a device in showing Ra's WITHOUT bringing him back per se:

Bruce spent a number of time/years with Ra's training with him. Perhaps Batman faces a certain challenge or tribulation that causes him to think back to his training with Ra's, something we did NOT see in the first movie that would require new filming of flashback training scenes. The flashbacks then help Batman to get out of a jam.

It's a common device in anime or samurai film, which according to Bale, Batman is. Batman uses the memory of certain training he had to overcome a current problem.

[XCharlieX]

That would work imo.. otherwise no.

[ArmsHeldOut]

1) The Ra's Al Ghul character in Begins is not an immortal.
2) Nolan has a desire to keep his Batman grounded in reality, so bringing Ra's back from a fiery death simply wouldn't work.
3) Although immortals are capable of living forever, they can still be killed.
Ever hear of Ragnarok, the fall of the Norse gods? How about The Highlander series? In the Highlander universe, you can live forever as long as noone beheads you first. Vampires and wooden stakes anyone? Having an inexhaustible life span does not render one invincible.
FYI, Ra's was murdered in current DC comics continuity.

Keep Ra's dead and bring on the Joker.

[ArmsHeldOut]

If it helps the story I wouldn't mind seeing it happen.

Here's a device in showing Ra's WITHOUT bringing him back per se:

Bruce spent a number of time/years with Ra's training with him. Perhaps Batman faces a certain challenge or tribulation that causes him to think back to his training with Ra's, something we did NOT see in the first movie that would require new filming of flashback training scenes. The flashbacks then help Batman to get out of a jam.

It's a common device in anime or samurai film, which according to Bale, Batman is. Batman uses the memory of certain training he had to overcome a current problem.

If we are shown additional flashbacks of Bruce's early training, I would prefer to see how he acquired various styles (tiger, jujitsu, panther) before meeting up with Ducard.
I honestly don't see how Ras could have survived. I know he played a Jedi once, but let's face it. Neeson's Ras went down hard.

[El Payaso]

I honestly don't see how Ras could have survived. I know he played a Jedi once, but let's face it. Neeson's Ras went down hard.

HAHAHA. Very true.

[Katsuro]

1) The Ra's Al Ghul character in Begins is not an immortal.


the great thing about Begins is this is never explicitly stated. Nolan and Goyer left it completely up to the imagination of the viewer whether he had Lazarus Pits or not. You dont see them in the movie, but why would you? So basically they got rid of an unrealistic aspect of the character, yet were still able to remain faithful in that aspect. Ra's death was set up so that they could either bring him back, or not, and it would work either way. They left an opening for him to come back, but made it to where he didn't really have to. Nothing will be left unexplained if he doesn't, but it's entirely possible for him to.

I just find it odd that since Nolan and Goyer have said they dont want to kill off too many villains, that the one villain they would decide to kill off is Ra's al Ghul. I just dont get that.

[TheVileOne]

If we are shown additional flashbacks of Bruce's early training, I would prefer to see how he acquired various styles (tiger, jujitsu, panther) before meeting up with Ducard.
I honestly don't see how Ras could have survived. I know he played a Jedi once, but let's face it. Neeson's Ras went down hard.
My suggestion would NOT require for him to still be "alive".

Also, characters in comics always APPEAR to be dead and still come back. Sometimes they die and still come back anyway.

[Ronny Shade]

I will be very depressed if Ra's does not return.

[XCharlieX]

(tiger, jujitsu, panther) Makes you wonder... Bruce must call his style "Bat" apparently heh. I think they put that reference to various styles in there for a reason.

[Ronny Shade]

lol "Bat" style.

They put all that in to show that he wasn't a fool going in to see Ra's. Not only had he trained, he'd trained a lot and in many various disciplines.

Though Tiger and Panther are both Kung Fu.

[XCharlieX]

Hey he does fight like a bat.. upside down/attacking from above/grappling hook techniques etc hehe Probably an interesting coincidence :D

[DV8]

This could totally work . . . we didn't get much info on Ra's . . . no mention of the Lazurus pit or anything . . . so to audiences, this would be a big twist; as long as if they did it, and Neeson is cast again; they make no mention of him being involved in the film.

Then, when he reappears . . . they could give the whole backstory of the Lazurus pit, and yes . . . Talia could be involved as a means to destroy Batman, but she inevitably falls in love w/ him, and can't do it

We could have all the Batman movies from now until then incorporate the villains as working for Ra's the whole time, perhaps . . .

[El Payaso]

Also, characters in comics always APPEAR to be dead and still come back. Sometimes they die and still come back anyway.

Yes. That predictable it is that stuff.

This could totally work . . . we didn't get much info on Ra's . . . no mention of the Lazurus pit or anything . . . so to audiences, this would be a big twist; as long as if they did it, and Neeson is cast again; they make no mention of him being involved in the film.

Then, when he reappears . . . they could give the whole backstory of the Lazurus pit, and yes . . . Talia could be involved as a means to destroy Batman, but she inevitably falls in love w/ him, and can't do it

In all honesty that's the worst way to tell a story, suddenly taking he option of a "surprising" twist without having a background or a hint justifying it. He's dead... ta dah, he's alive, we never knew he had this secret device. It's like when Batman and Robin escaped from traps in the 66 series.

[Katsuro]

Yes. That predictable it is that stuff.


You know, I see people say this all the time when they're just being sarcastic and don't really mean it, but I honestly can't figure out what that's supposed to say. English please?

[ArmsHeldOut]

Makes you wonder... Bruce must call his style "Bat" apparently heh. I think they put that reference to various styles in there for a reason.

TIGER - Strength & Tenacity. The tiger is good at in-fighting (fighting in close), it likes to maul the opponent, overpower him. The tiger is a strong style (good for stockier people, to use their strength). It throws an opponent one direction, and then uses the opponent's momentum against him.

JUJITSU - (J) Lit. Gentle Techniques; How to defend yourself by throwing, flipping, locking, and striking your opponent.

PANTHER - Circling, lunging and ripping.

Source: http://www.mackido.com/MartialArts/Glossary_Arts.html

[ArmsHeldOut]

the great thing about Begins is this is never explicitly stated. Nolan and Goyer left it completely up to the imagination of the viewer whether he had Lazarus Pits or not. You dont see them in the movie, but why would you? So basically they got rid of an unrealistic aspect of the character, yet were still able to remain faithful in that aspect. Ra's death was set up so that they could either bring him back, or not, and it would work either way. They left an opening for him to come back, but made it to where he didn't really have to. Nothing will be left unexplained if he doesn't, but it's entirely possible for him to.

I just find it odd that since Nolan and Goyer have said they dont want to kill off too many villains, that the one villain they would decide to kill off is Ra's al Ghul. I just dont get that.

What opening did they leave for Ras to come back? Does he possess teleportation powers? I don't mean to sound flip, but there is no way Ras could have escaped that train.
Like I stated above, even if Ras is immortal in Begins (which I highly doubt), the man is not invincible.

[ArmsHeldOut]

lol "Bat" style.

They put all that in to show that he wasn't a fool going in to see Ra's. Not only had he trained, he'd trained a lot and in many various disciplines.

Though Tiger and Panther are both Kung Fu.

In the comics, one of Wayne's mentors is described as a Chinese woman "so old that she should have been dead." From this mentor, Wayne learned the secrets of the TAO. That everything is energy. Nothing is fixed. Everything is fluid.

I would have loved to have seen a nod to this mysterious character in Begins.

[Katsuro]

What opening did they leave for Ras to come back? Does he possess teleportation powers? I don't mean to sound flip, but there is no way Ras could have escaped that train.
Like I stated above, even if Ras is immortal in Begins (which I highly doubt), the man is not invincible.

You do know about Lazarus Pits, do you not? Those big pools of goo that heal people and bring them back from the dead? Or perhaps he's just awesome enough to escape it. Batman escaped the train, who's to say Ra's didn't have something up his sleeve for escaping.

All I know is, a return of Ra's is definatley not out of the question, even to Nolan and Co. If Nolan really wanted us to think Ra's was dead for good, we'd have seen a body.

[Dark Knight]

come back in BB 3.

[El Payaso]

You know, I see people say this all the time when they're just being sarcastic and don't really mean it, but I honestly can't figure out what that's supposed to say. English please?

The thing is predictable.

I'm not being sarcastic.

[Katsuro]

The thing is predictable.

I'm not being sarcastic.

I didn't say you were being sarcastic, I meant that I wasn't. A lot of people say things like "dude I cant even read what you just wrote" when in fact they can read it, but it's just really hard. I guess I should've said exaggerating, not sarcastic.

[BatmanBale]

Yes he should return in BB3 or BB4!

[El Payaso]

I didn't say you were being sarcastic, I meant that I wasn't. A lot of people say things like "dude I cant even read what you just wrote" when in fact they can read it, but it's just really hard.

Try harder.

[DV8]

Yes. That predictable it is that stuff.



In all honesty that's the worst way to tell a story, suddenly taking he option of a "surprising" twist without having a background or a hint justifying it. He's dead... ta dah, he's alive, we never knew he had this secret device. It's like when Batman and Robin escaped from traps in the 66 series.

that's a good point . . . but in that case, they could discuss the myth of the 'lazurus pit' subtly, and other clues throughout the flicks if they want; hell . . . maybe we think Joker is dead at some point in the series, and think he's the one using it . . .

the point is, if any character is killed and comes back; Ra's is definitely the one within the realm of believability by doing so . . .

[Ronny Shade]

"Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

[Two-Face]

"Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

You know I'm gonna put that in my sig.Thanks for that.:up:

[Ronny Shade]

You know I'm gonna put that in my sig.Thanks for that.:up:
:up::up:

[Iglius]

I voted yes, but from they way tey set it up, I think it could really go either way. I mean, when you see the train crash through the building you think, "Well, he IS Ra's Al Ghul after all, he could survive." And then it explodes. I always thought of that as Nolan's way of saying, "This man is officially dead." But then again, "Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

[El Payaso]

"Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

No, he died.

Period.












(It was a f**king question anyway, nothing more.)

[Two-Face]

No, he died.

Period.

You just like spoiling for everybody:o :(

[ArmsHeldOut]

"Is Ra's Al Ghul not immortal? Are his methods not supernatural?"

Don't forget Wayne's response, "Or CHEAP parlor tricks to conceal your true identity .. Ras!"

[Katsuro]

No, he died.

Period.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_Pit

[El Payaso]

A Lazarus pit is a fictional natural phenomena in the DC Comics universe, primarily in the Batman titles, used most commonly by Ra's al Ghul to regenerate his body

After the falling and the explosion I wonder how much of Ra's body remained to regenerate. I'm not actually wondering, there's nothing of it to regenerate.

And I looked for Ra's al ghul there and they nowhere mentioned he was Ducard. So I guess it's no useful at all.

[ArmsHeldOut]

You do know about Lazarus Pits, do you not? Those big pools of goo that heal people and bring them back from the dead? Or perhaps he's just awesome enough to escape it. Batman escaped the train, who's to say Ra's didn't have something up his sleeve for escaping.

All I know is, a return of Ra's is definatley not out of the question, even to Nolan and Co. If Nolan really wanted us to think Ra's was dead for good, we'd have seen a body.

Nolan and company went to a lot of trouble in giving Begins a realistic and plausible feel to it. That's one of the things that sets the film apart from so many other action flics out there. Even the producers of the new 007 film have gone on record stating that they want Bond to be "grounded in reality like Batman Begins."

With that stated, coming back from the dead all because you were dipped in some "big pool of goo" is a huge stretch of the imagination don't you think? It goes against everything Nolan was striving for in Begins, in my opinion.

Was Ras "awesome" enough to escape the train? I doubt it. Even if he had something useful on hand, the guy just didn't have enough time to react.
Batman knew what he was doing ahead of time. He set Ras up. Outsmarted him. When it really counted, it was the Dark Knight (not Ras) who had been "watching his surroundings!"

[TheVileOne]

If the filmmakers really wanted to bring Ra's back they could. WITHOUT the Lazarus pit.

[TheVileOne]

edit, dp.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nah....I don't think they'd alter things like that. She's her father's daugther.....which is the whole problem that prevents her and Bruce from ever really staying together.

Ra's is a major player....he's gotta come back. The Lazerus Pit could be a part of it...but leave it shrouded in mystery and it can all work.

[Ronny Shade]

Hey CBB, been a while.

The bottom line is: He said it...that mean there is the POSSIBILITY of the lazarus pit's existence. Given the extratextuality of Ra's being immortal, it would not be uncalled for to bring him back.

[El Payaso]

The immortal part was like a metaphor. That's why he didn't state he was immortal, just asked, like in 'you can if you believe you can.'

[Ronny Shade]

wtf is 'you can if you believe you can?'

[El Payaso]

Anything you believe it is.

[Ronny Shade]

obviously

[Two-Face]

If the filmmakers really wanted to bring Ra's back they could. WITHOUT the Lazarus pit.

How would they?

[Ronny Shade]

He can fly

[ganstaman56]

dude ra's is old news. it would be boring to bring him back for the next or any of the sequels for that matter. i'm for concentrating on the new villain in town Joker.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

The only way I see Rahs coming back is if somehow and some way he survived the train crash (which pretty much is a big fat smelly "NO"). I say bring in Talia and have her avenge her father's death, but can't because she's in love with Batman because he is "the great detective" and he is her "beloved."

The Lazarus Pit would work if for somewhere down the road they wanted to make a "Indiana Jones-esque Batman" or do "The Demon's Head" and follow that storyline, but I just say go with the Talia vs. Batman route. :up:

[Two-Face]

dude ra's is old news. it would be boring to bring him back for the next or any of the sequels for that matter. i'm for concentrating on the new villain in town Joker.

Really? old news? I didn't say bring him in Batman 2 and why not in 3rd or 4th. He can be great threat to Batman in the sequels.

[Ronny Shade]

Fool, Ra's Al Ghul is never old news :down

[Calendar Man]

Maybe..but in a later film. Not this next one.

[Two-Face]

Maybe..but in a later film. Not this next one.

Hence that's why I put this here, this forum covers Batman 3, 4 and 5 etc..

[Avernus]

I wouldn't mind if Talia stuck around for the entire sequel without Ra's revealing himself....

not to mention her not going by the name of Talia so they can fool the viewers mostly...

her and Bruce have a relationship and all of that and then she reveals herself in the 3rd when Ra's makes himself known....in the 3rd...

all the while Batman deals with the Joker and 2Face.....and then the 4th you have Bane :up: :up: :doom:

[Avernus]

Fool, Ra's Al Ghul is never old news :down

gangstaman is a fool...wise choice of words here...

Ra's can be in every Batman for all I care...Neeson is the next Chuck Norris as far as I'm concerned :supes:

[Spidey-Bat]

Neeson was great as Ra's al Ghul. It would be a sin to not have him return.

[Aren]

I would definitely want to see him back, great character, good role, why not?

[El Payaso]

Neeson was great as Ra's al Ghul. It would be a sin to have him return.

[Nightwing92]

true..... but i think he'll return.....

[trustyside-kick]

I wouldn't want to see Ra's return. Not that I do not have love for Ra's just I got two reasons:

- I want to see more villains. I would prefer to not repeat villains unless it is someone like Joker; the rumor where he will have small role in BB2 and then big in BB3.

- Nolan is taking a more realistic approach and having some guy who has lived for 800 years and survives off of his beloved lazurus pits is not exactly realistic.

[Spidey-Bat]

- Nolan is taking a more realistic approach and having some guy who has lived for 800 years and survives off of his beloved lazurus pits is not exactly realistic.
First, realistic doesn't mean it has to be completely real. Second, Ra's death was ambigious. He could be alive or dead. I wouldn't mind a re-appearence but not playing a major role again until a later film.

[trustyside-kick]

Well the main thing is I do not want to keep seeing the same villain no matter how great he did previous; you played in our latest elimination game, you know I loved his performance as long as Jack's but I still wouldn't want to see them multiple times.

You have no idea how much it bothers me that every-single-Superman-movie-has-had-Lex-in-it. I would love it so much to see Parasite and Metallo make appearances as well.

[thedarks0ldier]

I think to really explains Ra's origin they should do a spin off film, but not tell advertise it as a Batman film, or even really allude to it in the marketing. They should just call it "The Demons Head" and it would be like Gladiator mixed with La Mes and Last Samurai and any other awesome period piece you can think of. Make it narrated by Talia, and bring back all the ninja's for the modern time, and show all the different "Ubu's" (or fake Ra's)

(POST 800)

[trustyside-kick]

Nah, I wouldn't really like a Ra's film.

Kinda dislike the fact that Marvel is making a spin-off film for Wolverine.

[El Payaso]

First, realistic doesn't mean it has to be completely real. Second, Ra's death was ambigious. He could be alive or dead. I wouldn't mind a re-appearence but not playing a major role again until a later film.

Ambiguous? He did fall a tremendous height inside a train that exploded in a big way and you call that ambiguous.

[Katsuro]

Ambiguous? He did fall a tremendous height inside a train that exploded in a big way and you call that ambiguous.

No body.

Plus, didn't you see his face at the end? He closed his eyes, went all calm and serene. He was totally about to flip out with some awesome ninja moves.

[StorminNorman]

I think to really explains Ra's origin they should do a spin off film, but not tell advertise it as a Batman film, or even really allude to it in the marketing. They should just call it "The Demons Head" and it would be like Gladiator mixed with La Mes and Last Samurai and any other awesome period piece you can think of. Make it narrated by Talia, and bring back all the ninja's for the modern time, and show all the different "Ubu's" (or fake Ra's)

(POST 800)

Of all of Batman's Villians Ras is the only one who would be able to support a movie. Actually if done right it could make for a damn good movie.

[Borat]

Well if Batman and Superman ever happens, I say bring him back then. Since Nolan's Batman will now be less realistic having an alien accompanying him, it'll be easier to except Ra's coming back through a lazurus pit. Just an idea.

[El Payaso]

No body.

Plus, didn't you see his face at the end? He closed his eyes, went all calm and serene. He was totally about to flip out with some awesome ninja moves.

Of course there is no body. He was crushed, cut and then desintegrated in a fireball.



http://worldhistoryforusall.sdsu.edu/dev/images/castro.jpg http://www.celebopedia.com/liam-neeson/images/liam-neeson.jpg

Ra's previous attempt to destroy the world?

[trustyside-kick]

http://worldhistoryforusall.sdsu.edu/dev/images/castro.jpg http://www.celebopedia.com/liam-neeson/images/liam-neeson.jpg

Ra's previous attempt to destroy the world?

LMAO!

[Soundwave88]

I'd like to see him come back in BB3 or BB4

[fceeviper]

It would be cool if there was a mention of Ra's Al Ghuls in Bat2 or 3.

Like a world CNN type of news report on TV while Alfred or Bruce are watching it.

That would be awesome!

[Cats]

Yeah he should return, but as a surprise. Don't reveal him till like 3/4 through the movie - sorta the way they kept Ra's true identity a secret in BB till the end. The rest of it would be Batman trailing a mysterious woman who turns out to be Talia Al Ghul.

[casketmouth]

He should come back at the end of the series and HELP??? Bruce in order to save his daughter, That would be cool to see the two ninjaz side by side fighting off hords of villains in a life or death situation. Would be real cool. Then after it all He just vanishes into the darkness and that's it. Have them fight of course but then stop in the interest of the daughter. Would be a great turn around.