Green Arrow OYL (discussion thread)

[SouLeSS]

I didn't see one through the search, but if theres one, just merge this into it.

Anyone else picking this up? I just grabbed the issues that are out, and goddamn, Ollie is awesome.

His talk about gay marriage being held in Star city, and his line "Albeit a lot of gay people, but with a name like Queen, I'm not one to judge." is awesome.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Queen's the idealized left-wing politician. He's ballsy and arrogant, flawed and relatable, and he sticks up for the little guy. I like the OYL stuff, but I hope his superheroing doesn't stay relegated to just outings scheduled by his aide aimed at boosting his own public image.

[GoldenAgeHero]

it feels like i havent read an issue in 2 months

[warren_sparta27]

i've liked the title so far, i like him being the major, just hopefully we get to see alittle more of GA sooner rather than later.

[Nightwing]

Queen OYL has really been what I expected him to be, I'm loving Winick's arc so far. However hopefully we'll see him don the mask more often, even though he's vowed to protect Star City at whatever cost as mayor. I'm also enjoying how he could care less about the things he says to people, or about how things are ran in his city nowadays.

Issue #65 is where we finally learn what happend to Mia and Connor.

[sinewave]

i'm liking it quite a bit. i'm not big on owens' art, though. i'd like to see someone like pete woods or patrick gleason on it.

[TheCorpulent1]

You mean McDaniel's art?

[sinewave]

You mean McDaniel's art?

damn, i always get andy owens and scott mcdaniel mixed up, even though their art looks nothing alike. must be because they used to trade off on robin's book. anyway, yeah, i'm not a big fan of scott mcdaniel's art. it's much better than andy owens', but that's not saying much.

[sinewave]

wow! issue #62 kicks all kinds of ass! ollie is a total badass now! i guess he got some serious training during that missing year. can't wait to find out how.

[SouLeSS]

God damn. After todays issue, Green Arrow is officially my new favorite book

[TheCorpulent1]

wow! issue #62 kicks all kinds of ass! ollie is a total badass now! i guess he got some serious training during that missing year. can't wait to find out how.
I was disappointed, actually. When Deathstroke said, "This is not the same man" and commented on how great a fighter he was, I got all excited because I thought maybe Ollie had gotten Connor to impersonate him. Turns out Ollie just trained more, though. Connor needs to come back to the series, damn it. :(

[batnkevlar]

So is Brick a good guy?

[TheCorpulent1]

Good like the Punisher. He's an anti-hero at the moment. Ollie seems to be trying to bring him all the way around and make him stop killing criminals, though.

[sinewave]

I was disappointed, actually. When Deathstroke said, "This is not the same man" and commented on how great a fighter he was, I got all excited because I thought maybe Ollie had gotten Connor to impersonate him. Turns out Ollie just trained more, though. Connor needs to come back to the series, damn it. :(

it's funny you mention that, because the issue i received actually had pages out of order. the scene at the beginning where ollie set the trap for deathstroke was cut off and picked up later so i was kinda thinking that ollie was a "dupe" and he was fooling deathstroke. still, i thought it was a kick-ass issue. i'm glad ollie's skills are catching up with his mouth. :)

[sinewave]

Good like the Punisher. He's an anti-hero at the moment. Ollie seems to be trying to bring him all the way around and make him stop killing criminals, though.

brick would make a rad hero. i loved the fight between him and green arrow last year where g.a. used a glue-arrow to almost suffocate him.

[TheCorpulent1]

it's funny you mention that, because the issue i received actually had pages out of order. the scene at the beginning where ollie set the trap for deathstroke was cut off and picked up later so i was kinda thinking that ollie was a "dupe" and he was fooling deathstroke. still, i thought it was a kick-ass issue. i'm glad ollie's skills are catching up with his mouth. :)
My copy had that page misplaced as well. I wonder if the whole print run was like that.

I don't know how I feel about GA suddenly being a godlike martial artist on top of everything else he has going for him. Plus, I liked the fact that Ollie tended to bite off more than he could chew in a fight. It was part of his charm and made him a good underdog when he found some way to win. It was all right for Black Canary to bone up on fighting since martial arts are her main thing, and it was cool for Connor because it distinguished him from Ollie, but now it seems that the entire Arrow family is just going to spontaneously turn into top-tier fighters in the DC universe. I bet when Speedy shows up again she'll have learned 30 new forms of martial arts, too.

[Darthphere]

God, please dont tell me Ollie beat Deathstroke by himself.

[TheCorpulent1]

He did, but it was explained well enough to make sense. The only real problem with it is that it seems unlikely for Deathstroke to have gone in for a kill so woefully underprepared and unawares, but you could arguably chalk that up to his despising Ollie so much due to IDC that it made him sloppy.

[BrianWilly]

I really, really liked this issue. It's nice to see Ollie be seriously badass again after these last few months of getting his ass kicked all over the place. It makes sense that he would have pushed himself so far and trained like he did after having been caught with his pants down so many times.

And, seriously, I just got a tickle from seeing Deathstroke so badly beaten. He's pretty much the most overrated villain I've ever seen. And it's not like it proved Ollie was all of a sudden a better fighter than Deathstroke or anything, he just relied on prep time. And glue. And the national guard.

[SouLeSS]

I can't for Ollie to get his ass kicked again in about three issues, after all the gloating he does. It'll make him seem more human.

[Motown Marvel]

i've been enjoying GA since its relaunch with kevin smith...and the OYL stuff is rad too...but this recent issue, the fight between GA and deathstroke seemed pretty cheezy and far fetched. a giant adhesive arrow that strings deathstroke to a giant catapault that launches him into a pit of glue? come on....

[SouLeSS]

Yeah, but if you think about it...We arn't sure who hired Deathstroke to kill Ollie, so perhaps Ollie himself did it after setting everything perfectly?

I mean, if I had the best assassin in the world with a personal grudge against me...I'de do my best to get him out of the way ASAP.

[Manic]

To quote what I said in the Bought/Thought thread...

Who's house? Ollie's house!

To elaborate...

Ugh, son!

[warren_sparta27]

wow Ollie can really kick some ass, and with prep time he is unstopable :P

[Motown Marvel]

Yeah, but if you think about it...We arn't sure who hired Deathstroke to kill Ollie, so perhaps Ollie himself did it after setting everything perfectly?

I mean, if I had the best assassin in the world with a personal grudge against me...I'de do my best to get him out of the way ASAP.

i understand ollie had time to set this all up, but its still a really cheezy and far fetched set up.

[GoldenAgeHero]

this was a great issue and hilarious. the issue doent seem far fetched to me. it completely explained hopw green arrow got so good the missing year.

[sethcohen]

gives a whole new definition to prep-time

[GoldenAgeHero]

batman rubbed off on him.

[Varient]

I cheered the fight from the first "Boom". I just Knew Ollie wasn't going out like that.

The Fight is exactly like a non-meta should handle Deathstroke,.... except the part where he pulls a sword and jumps into the hole with him.
I can't complain at all,.. for Ollie that was some extreme dicipline to fight scientific-like and take a few pages from BatMan.

You could tell he was Pissed,... but this wasn't Noisy Green Arrow Pissed,... this was Quiet "I'm gonna make this hurt for the hurt you've caused" Green Arrow,... Someone I've not really read since Canary was done in the longbow hunters.


Geeked Out,.. DC has dragged Green Arrow back into the relm of legit Good Guy.

[kiuju2k]

Yeah i have to admit it. Ollie held it down. I'm not GA fan but, after this showing i am impressed. If only Nightwing got this kind of treatment.

[warren_sparta27]

batman rubbed off on him.

it's comments like that that fuel the rumours of batman being gay.

[SouLeSS]

Yeah i have to admit it. Ollie held it down. I'm not GA fan but, after this showing i am impressed. If only Nightwing got this kind of treatment.

He did, in issues 1-117.

[kiuju2k]

He did, in issues 1-117.

hahaha... not lately. I'd say jason is the better nightwing honestly. I think i'm gonna actually stop picking up nightwing. Just breaks my heart. I think GA will be a good replacement.

[SouLeSS]

I'm still picking up nightwing, though for no other reason than to say "yeah, I own every one of the nightwing ongoings"

[Manic]

I'm still picking up nightwing, though for no other reason than to say "yeah, I own every one of the nightwing ongoings"
*almost goes on a long rant about how people shouldn't give money to comic books they don't like reading anymore*

[warren_sparta27]

i'm still picking up Nightwing because apart from Bruce, Dick is my fav character, and the charcter i've known the longest.
it's such ashame that the last couple archs for Nightwing have been pretty ****, hopefully they pick their act up alittle and start making the charcter interesting again and not a god damned male model :(

[SouLeSS]

*almost goes on a long rant about how people shouldn't give money to comic books they don't like reading anymore*
Glad you didn't, as it would just be a waste of your time. But seriously though, It'll get better in a few arcs, and I'll start to enjoy it again. Why not buy all the issues that have to do with the backstory?

[Manic]

Why not buy all the issues that have to do with the backstory?
Because they suck?

[TheCorpulent1]

It's also kind of a gamble to assume it'll get better. People assumed Spider-Man would get better throughout the Clone Saga and ended up buying several years' worth of crap issues.

[Darthphere]

I think the art on this book doesnt fit. Something about it. I dont really dig it.

[TheCorpulent1]

McDaniel? If Ollie's all super-badass ninja now, I think he fits quite well.

[Darthphere]

McDaniel? If Ollie's all super-badass ninja now, I think he fits quite well.


Thats the thing, should he be super-badass ninja?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think so, but last issue showed that he is now. Carrying a katana around in his quiver is, to me, the very essence of lameness distilled into its purest form but, alas, it's canon now.

[kiuju2k]

It caught this non GA reading person's attention.

[BrianWilly]

I thought the katana was flat-out awesome. I read a bit of Grell's ultraviolent rendition of GA and I hated it so it's not like I'm that into stabby mcninja XXXXXtreme badass fun, but I just like this new GA...efficient, smart, skilled as hell, but without losing any of his old personality and characterization; that last page of him screeching "YOU'RE UNDER ARREST!" in Slade's face was classic Ollie through and through.

For the last year of the comics (real world time) he's just been getting his ass kicked over and over and over and over again. By Drakon, by Dr. Light, by Deathstroke, by Merlyn...by the frikkin' Riddler of all things:O. It was just played out. It wasn't fun reading GA anymore. It was way past time for him to get his sht together.

(And technically, the blade isn't long enough to be a katana; I'd say it's about wakizashi length:p)

[warren_sparta27]

I think the art on this book doesnt fit. Something about it. I dont really dig it.

yeah i agree the art is off abit, i think it might be a little too kiddyish?:(

[Manic]

Yeah, I was tired of Ollie being used as Identity Crisis fodder.

DC Big Wig: "Dr. Light is super-evil, again. How should we display it?"
DC Bossy Boss: "Hm... how about he takes on every Teen Titan EVER?!"
Big Wig: "That doesn't seem like enough."
Bossy Boss: "You're right. How about he beats the living snot out of Green Arrow?"
Big Wig: "Perfect! While we're at it, how about super-evil Riddler takes a crack out of ol' Ollie, too?"

And the rest, as they say, is history.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought the katana was flat-out awesome. I read a bit of Grell's ultraviolent rendition of GA and I hated it so it's not like I'm that into stabby mcninja XXXXXtreme badass fun, but I just like this new GA...efficient, smart, skilled as hell, but without losing any of his old personality and characterization; that last page of him screeching "YOU'RE UNDER ARREST!" in Slade's face was classic Ollie through and through.

For the last year of the comics (real world time) he's just been getting his ass kicked over and over and over and over again. By Drakon, by Dr. Light, by Deathstroke, by Merlyn...by the frikkin' Riddler of all things:O. It was just played out. It wasn't fun reading GA anymore. It was way past time for him to get his sht together.
He beat all of those people in the end, though. I liked that underdog aspect about him. He never even came close to getting his ass kicked by Merlyn, either. Dr. Light was the only one who kicked Ollie's ass in that arc, and I think that should be expected. I would've much rather Ollie call in his son, who's among the top martial artists in the world, to beat the crap out of Slade. He could've easily done it with the help of all of Ollie's traps. It would've worked just as well for the story and it wouldn't have changed Ollie into some wannabe ninja with the wrong color scheme.

I don't mind the prep time thing--that's just Ollie being smart, since he knew Deathstroke would come after him and he had time and (as the mayor) new resources to plan for that. But the whole sword-in-the-quiver gimmick and his becoming this awe-inspiring martial artist in a year was just lame and unnecessary. Ollie got the job done just fine before with some good, old-fashioned fisticuffs and archery. No need to throw Eastern arts that I have trouble believing Ollie would ever sit down and have the discipline to learn into the mix.

[Varient]

Boy corp,... In the last few threads I've read you in you've been borderline hostile in ref to the direction a few comics have gone.

You almost read as bad as I've gotten.



Props.

[sinewave]

He beat all of those people in the end, though. I liked that underdog aspect about him. He never even came close to getting his ass kicked by Merlyn, either. Dr. Light was the only one who kicked Ollie's ass in that arc, and I think that should be expected. I would've much rather Ollie call in his son, who's among the top martial artists in the world, to beat the crap out of Slade. He could've easily done it with the help of all of Ollie's traps. It would've worked just as well for the story and it wouldn't have changed Ollie into some wannabe ninja with the wrong color scheme.

I don't mind the prep time thing--that's just Ollie being smart, since he knew Deathstroke would come after him and he had time and (as the mayor) new resources to plan for that. But the whole sword-in-the-quiver gimmick and his becoming this awe-inspiring martial artist in a year was just lame and unnecessary. Ollie got the job done just fine before with some good, old-fashioned fisticuffs and archery. No need to throw Eastern arts that I have trouble believing Ollie would ever sit down and have the discipline to learn into the mix.


ollie shouldn't have to rely on connor to win his battles, i think that's why he decided to re-train himself. speaking of connor, i wonder what happened to him? anyway, as far as the sword, maybe he just had it in his quiver this one time because he knew he'd be taking on slade in close combat and needed to be able to match his blade. that's what i'm hoping, anyway. why do think ollie is undisciplined? he's obviously smart, heroic and focused, why wouldn't he be able to learn new artforms?

[Harlekin]

Connor is of with Mia on an island, training.

[Darthphere]

Connor is of with Mia on an island, training.



Riiiiight, training.

[Harlekin]

Riiiiight, training.
Well, that's what Robin thinks, anyway. ;)

[sinewave]

Connor is of with Mia on an island, training.

really? so mia's gonna come back as a badass too, huh? maybe they'll rival the bat-family for the most badass in the dcu.

[Darthphere]

really? so mia's gonna come back as a badass too, huh? maybe they'll rival the bat-family for the most badass in the dcu.


Dont go crazy now.

[sinewave]

Dont go crazy now.

i don't see why they couldn't. even before he re-trained, ollie was able to handle himself against batman. now that dick's a crappy male-model getting his ass handed to him by jason todd he's obviously not the badass he once was, unfortunately. robin's a lot better as of OYL, but if connor and mia have re-trained then they are too. plus, cassandra's not a member of the bat-family anymore so that leaves them one short, at least until this new batwoman shows up and who knows how good she's gonna be. they could be close.

[TheCorpulent1]

ollie shouldn't have to rely on connor to win his battles, i think that's why he decided to re-train himself.
He wouldn't have had to rely on Connor if he didn't put fighting Deathstroke hand-to-hand on his list of things to do. With the amount of planning that obviously went into that trap, Ollie could've found some way to disarm Deathstroke in that glue pit and just pump him full of arrows to weaken him. Getting down there and fighting him pretty evenly with the monstrous disadvantage Deathstroke had was a conscious effort to prove something. Ollie wanted Deathstroke to know that he'd gotten better at fighting. I'm taking issue with the fact that Ollie did get better at fighting and basically remade himself as a quasi-ninja, not the way he took Deathstroke down.
Boy corp,... In the last few threads I've read you in you've been borderline hostile in ref to the direction a few comics have gone.

You almost read as bad as I've gotten.



Props.
Well, when DC starts stripping away major elements of what I love about some of my favorite characters, I tend to get a little annoyed. Better to vent here than just tear up my comics, after all.

[Darthphere]

Well Dick is rusty.....I know that sounded bad to anyone else? Still if we include Cassie, she be able to take down ollie blindfolded. If we dont, Batman still has years of training over anyhting Ollie did that one year.

[TheCorpulent1]

Who would each person in the Arrow family correspond to?

Batman <--> Ollie
Nightwing <--> Arsenal
Batgirl <--> Connor
Robin <--> Speedy

That's the best I can match them up. Given that even the Arrow family's best fighter, Connor, could barely hope to give the Bat family's best fighter, Batgirl, a good fight, I'd say the Bat family can rest easy. Black Canary's arguably still an Arrow family member too, but she's probably even with Batman at best right now.

[storyteller]

Dick is pathetic now. Dick wouldnt get his ass owned by someone like jason or some metas.

[Darthphere]

Dick is pathetic now. Dick wouldnt get his ass owned by someone like jason or some metas.


Read Outsiders, Dick took down a big group of soldiers recently, off panel but he did it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Dick is pathetic now. Dick wouldnt get his ass owned by someone like jason or some metas.
I thought Jason was supposed to be as good as Batman himself now. Seems logical for Dick to get taken down by him if that's the case.

[sinewave]

I thought Jason was supposed to be as good as Batman himself now. Seems logical for Dick to get taken down by him if that's the case.

but dick's got more experience, is more agile and was more thoroughly taught by batman. he should be better than jason.

[Anubis]

You're forgeting the years spent training under Talia and the League of Assasin's after he was resurected. Simply put, he got better.

[LorDZeeD]

Black Canary's arguably still an Arrow family member too, but she's probably even with Batman at best right now.

eh? i don't pick up birds of prey, so, erm... eh?

[Darthphere]

You're forgeting the years spent training under Talia and the League of Assasin's after he was resurected. Simply put, he got better.


Simply put, its all rubbish. Seriously, why couldnt he die in IC.:(

[BrianWilly]

He beat all of those people in the end, though. I liked that underdog aspect about him. He never even came close to getting his ass kicked by Merlyn, either. Dr. Light was the only one who kicked Ollie's ass in that arc, and I think that should be expected. I would've much rather Ollie call in his son, who's among the top martial artists in the world, to beat the crap out of Slade. He could've easily done it with the help of all of Ollie's traps. It would've worked just as well for the story and it wouldn't have changed Ollie into some wannabe ninja with the wrong color scheme.

I don't mind the prep time thing--that's just Ollie being smart, since he knew Deathstroke would come after him and he had time and (as the mayor) new resources to plan for that. But the whole sword-in-the-quiver gimmick and his becoming this awe-inspiring martial artist in a year was just lame and unnecessary. Ollie got the job done just fine before with some good, old-fashioned fisticuffs and archery. No need to throw Eastern arts that I have trouble believing Ollie would ever sit down and have the discipline to learn into the mix.Both Drakon and the Riddler beat him. Oh sure, Shift got Drakon in the end and the Riddler had to run away, but that arc ended with Ollie with his ass kicked, tied down on an operating table. Oh, and then his house exploded. The next arc, his entire city got set on fire and he got pumped full of arrows in the chest. I don't mind him being the underdog, especially compared to mofos like Batman and Superman, but I have no interest in reading stories about heroes who keep losing all the time and, worse, have no interest in getting their act together. I mean, we have the X-Men for that.

Ollie once checked himself into a Buddhist monastery to get some perspective on his life; that's how he "met" Connor in the first place. I don't think it's very out of character at all for him to sit down and seriously learn something, especially after all the sht he's gone through. Heck, isn't his origin story that he got stuck on an island and had to sit down and patiently learn the discipline of archery??

"And of all the exercises the old man put me through, it was never the lesson itself that taught me the value of patience. It was his example. When he wasn't shooting his mouth of about social injustice and corporate 'fat-cats'...the man could be as serene...as water. Beneath the bluster of the Green Arrow, Oliver Queen was a man with time on his hands. And I've spent my life trying to be that same kind of man."
-Roy Harper, Quiver

[TheCorpulent1]

I remembered everything about GA's past after I'd posted that he wouldn't be able to sit through training. My mistake, he could definitely commit himself to training and follow through.

As for the other stuff, though, Drakon's good enough to kick Connor's ass, so the fact that he handed Ollie his ass is pretty much to be expected. Riddler got Ollie on that operating table because he planned and laid out traps for Ollie. He's the Riddler; that's what he does. I don't recall the Riddler actually beating Ollie up hand-to-hand in a fair fight or anything, so it's not like Ollie has the shame of the Riddler "kicking his ass" hanging over him. He fell into some of the Riddler's traps; big deal--Batman's fallen into the Riddler's traps time and again.

I don't think Ollie got beaten any worse than any other hero does at some point. He had a string of bad luck that resulted in his house exploding, his city burning, etc., but that has nothing to do with the martial arts stuff, which is the only thing I'm taking issue with. He wised up in the 52 year and learned to protect himself better by stealing some of Batman's prep time mojo--fine, I actually like that aspect because, as you pointed out, he'd be an object of ridicule if he didn't get his ass in gear after all that happened to him and start working harder to protect himself and his family.

But the whole idea of Ollie as a highly trained ninja badass just reeks of lameness to me. That's not what Ollie's about. Part of why I like him is because guys come at him with martial arts and smack him around, thinking he's easy prey because he's not a highly trained martial artist himself (like roughly 99.99999% of the rest of the unpowered superhero community), and then Ollie fakes them out and shoves an arrow in their face. There's not as much tension when Ollie goes into a fight now. He's a badass ninja with his little sword for effective close-quarters combat against the likes of Deathstroke and he still has trick arrows and pretty much the best marksmanship ever heard of. He's basically a tank at this point, and under Winick's pen I can easily see him going the way of Amazo-stomping Batman, at which point I'd have to drop his comic in disgust and wait for some new writer to bring him back to his scrappy archer essence.
eh? i don't pick up birds of prey, so, erm... eh?
Black Canary had been training pretty steadily under Lady Shiva and various other master martial artists for the last year or two before Infinite Crisis. OYL, she's basically swapped lives with Lady Shiva--Shiva's filling her spot on the Birds and Dinah's living in a poor town with dudes trying to kill her every other day because Shiva lived there for a while in her youth.

[Manic]

I want to know what part of her youth Shiva lived in that village, because the b**** is from Detroit.

Anyway, I think it's good that Ollie has improved his close combat. Arrows are a long-distance weapon, and his scrapping ability has always been just good enough to handle your average street thug. His hand-to-hand had him at a disadvantage.

Black Canary is one of the best hand-to-hand fighters out there, AND she has a superpower, and she's never short on real challenges. And since I highly doubt Ollie could've reached her level in this past year, I don't think we need to worry about him being too good. I mean, this was Ollie with prep time. How often does Ollie ever have prep time?

[TheCorpulent1]

People sometimes travel in their youth. She didn't necessarily have to grow up in Detroit from birth to adulthood, did she? I don't know if it's in continuity that she never left Detroit or something, though.

Ollie used to beat the crap out of people by using his bow as a blunt object if they came in too close for his arrows to work. Or he'd just pull out an arrow and stab them.

Point about prep time. That's why I'm not upset about the fight in general, just the cheesy ninja sword action. I'm hoping Deathstroke busts loose at some point and hands Ollie his ass in a fair throw-down. Preferrably shouting, "Where's your little sword now, *****?!" :D

[sinewave]

You're forgeting the years spent training under Talia and the League of Assasin's after he was resurected. Simply put, he got better.

no, i'm not forgetting that. is there much of a difference between training under the league of assasins or training under batman?

[sinewave]

People sometimes travel in their youth. She didn't necessarily have to grow up in Detroit from birth to adulthood, did she? I don't know if it's in continuity that she never left Detroit or something, though.

Ollie used to beat the crap out of people by using his bow as a blunt object if they came in too close for his arrows to work. Or he'd just pull out an arrow and stab them.

Point about prep time. That's why I'm not upset about the fight in general, just the cheesy ninja sword action. I'm hoping Deathstroke busts loose at some point and hands Ollie his ass in a fair throw-down. Preferrably shouting, "Where's your little sword now, *****?!" :D

don't forget that ollie took down solomon grundy, with a broken bow.

[TheCorpulent1]

Solomon Grundy's power level is one of the most inconsistent in comics, but that was cool.

[sinewave]

Solomon Grundy's power level is one of the most inconsistent in comics, but that was cool.

true and true.

[hippie_hunter]

Dick is pathetic now. Dick wouldnt get his ass owned by someone like jason or some metas.

I like to pretend that Jones's arc on Nightwing isn't happening. Hopefully DC is doing the same thing too.

[Anubis]

no, i'm not forgetting that. is there much of a difference between training under the league of assasins or training under batman?

Who you train under doesn't have much to do with your will to learn. Not saying Nightwing was a slacker, but I don't think he had the same drive that Todd had during that time. We're talking about homocidal rage here. Crazy guys can get a lot of s**t done. Just look at Batman.

[TheCorpulent1]

Some people just have more of a natural talent for fighting than others, too. Maybe Jason, once he really devoted himself, found that learning martial arts came easier to him than it did to Dick. Either way, we can postulate theories to kingdom come, but the end result is canon: Jason, based on everything I've seen of the two of them since his resurrection, is the better fighter now.

[Nightwing]

Has anyone read issue #63?

[sinewave]

Has anyone read issue #63?

yup. i can't wait to see ollie and brick take on all those "28 days later"-style freaks in the next issue. it's good to get these types of fun issues every once in a while instead of the bloated "event" books that are so prevalent these days.

[Anubis]

I wonder who these Merry men are he's supposed to be recruiting.

[Nightwing]

yup. i can't wait to see ollie and brick take on all those "28 days later"-style freaks in the next issue. it's good to get these types of fun issues every once in a while instead of the bloated "event" books that are so prevalent these days.

I liked the unfolding enmity between Queen and Deathstroke. There seems to be some subterfuge going on on his part with the whole "Green Arrow saves the Mayor." I could give or take the sub-plot about Brick, but I'm willing to see how far the zombie scenario goes.

I disliked the fact that he made his new fortune illegally. The issue was good, but not as great as the last one, or the one before that. Green Arrow is still on my top list though, I also can't wait for the next issue.

[Motown Marvel]

looks like mcdaniel is starting to get back on top of his game as an artist....he's been kinda sloppy over the past year or so.

[sinewave]

looks like mcdaniel is starting to get back on top of his game as an artist....he's been kinda sloppy over the past year or so.

yeah, i thought the art looked pretty decent in this ish.

[Darthphere]

yup. i can't wait to see ollie and brick take on all those "28 days later"-style freaks in the next issue. it's good to get these types of fun issues every once in a while instead of the bloated "event" books that are so prevalent these days.


You mean like OYL which spawned out this book as well?:confused:

[Nightwing]

yeah, i thought the art looked pretty decent in this ish.

I thought it actually was as well...

[sinewave]

You mean like OYL which spawned out this book as well?:confused:

oyl isn't really an event, though. it's just picking up a year later.

[Darthphere]

oyl isn't really an event, though. it's just picking up a year later.


Sure it isnt. *wink*

[GoldenAgeHero]

this was a pretty good issue. although the whole thing seems a bit contrived. it's like winnick is turning green arrow into batman.

[sinewave]

Sure it isnt. *wink*

stop hitting on me. it makes me question my sexuality. :(

[Darthphere]

stop hitting on me. it makes me question my sexuality. :(


You know you want it.

[sinewave]

You know you want it.

irregardless! :mad:

[Darthphere]

Shhhh...just come back to bed.