X-Men Month at IGN

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IGN has a lot of cool features on the X-Men comics throughout the month of May over at their site. I'll bring some of the stuff over here too.

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They're starting off a Top 25 X-Men this week, and will reveal 5 more each day. Here's the first group:


Over the past four decades, dozens upon dozens of mutants have called themselves X-Men. Sometimes they would be known as a New Mutant or part of X-Factor or an Exile, but they were all part of Charles Xavier's extended family. With literally hundreds to choose from, we sorted through the many mutants who have been part of an X-team over the past 40+ years. We looked into alternate futures, brief allegiances and long-standing members. We chose and ranked these characters based on the following criteria:


Living the Dream: At the core of the X-Men is Charles Xavier's dream that mutants and humans can live in peace. The very best X-Men not only believed this dream, but promoted it through their actions. It doesn't mean they were a saint, it just means that, as best they could, they believed in Xavier's vision.

Personality: It's nice to believe in something, but it can also be quite boring simply to "believe." The characters that resonate longest are those with complex issues, interesting personalities and compelling stories.

Staying Power: Some of the newer mutants are beloved, but their place in X-Men lore is unknown. It's impossible to place someone like X-23 or Beak above some of the more proven characters of the X-Men Universe.
Throughout the week we'll reveal the Top 25 X-Men, five a day. The inclusion of some names might surprise you and the exclusion of others may anger you, but this is our list. Tell us yours.



#25 - #21




#25 Strong Guy
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First Appearance: New Mutants #29
Powers: Absorbs kinetic energy and re-channels it into physical strength.

Strong Guy isn't your typical Xer. He isn't devoted to Xavier's dream. Heck, it's hard to be certain he even understands Xavier's dream. But his personality makes up for his lack of devotion to the Church of X. Guido's not the smartest, but he is subtly one of the most noblest of X-Men. He's secondary job as bodyguard filters into the way he acts in X-Factor. He's a protector, the one guy you can expect to have your back. And he's funny as they get. And among the X-Men, they rarely get very funny.

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#24 Chamber
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Generation X #1
Powers: Psionic energy discharge of a concussive or explosive nature, low-level telepathy for short-range communication

Poor Jonothan Starsmore has it rough. His ability allows him to unleash massive amounts of energy - so much so that the energy blew off his chest and lower face. Though this accident has drastically changed Chamber's outlook on life, he was still one of the original members of Generation X. This team of new mutants was viewed as the next wave of Charles Xavier's students. Although Chamber is now powerless and clinging to life because of "M-Day," he was one of the most promising members of Generation X, even being offered a permanent position with the X-Men.

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#23 Quicksilver
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: X-Men (Vol. 1) #1
Powers: Super-Speed

Son of Magneto, Quicksilver was originally a bad guy. Both he and his sister Wanda were members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Being bad just didn't suit Pietro's nature. Though he's selfish, brash, impulsive and, let's face it, a jerk, he also knows right from wrong. He spent considerable time with X-Factor and though he never quite felt at home with the X-Men, he understood the faults in his own father's ideology. Quicksilver is the rare mutant to serve on an X-team and the Avengers. He may have gone astray of late, but for much of his life in comics, Quicksilver was the shining example of a villain turned good.

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#22 Psylocke
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: New Mutants Annual #2
Powers: Psionic blades, telekinesis, telepathic immunity

Betsy Braddock began her career as somewhat of a joke. A stuck up English telepath, she had no place as an X-Man. Then came the change. In a somewhat inexplicable comic-book moment, Betsy's consciousness was merged with another to create the Psylocke we know today. She is, as can best be described, a psionic assassin, though she is reluctant to kill. She's the new age Rogue, a character given a new twist by merging memories and powers with another. Psylocke is a born leader and, in fact, briefly lead the X-Men. She may not have Wolverine's combat skills, but her other abilities make her one of the most potent fighters to ever wear the X.

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#21 Emma Frost
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #129
Powers: Telepathy, diamond-coated skin, being a *****

In many ways a twisted version of Professor X, Emma Frost has raised and taught young mutants ever since her days in the Hellfire Club. In the Hellfire Club, Frost raised a young team of villains named the Hellions. After the team was slaughtered by Sentinels, Emma joined Xavier's cause and, with Banshee, was the leader and mentor of Generation X. Since she began her tenure with the X-Men, Frost has been involved in both telepathic and physical relationship with Cyclops, and has elevated herself to co-leader of the school. Although it was recently revealed that she might be a sleeper agent for something very sinister, there is no doubt that Emma desires, on some level, to achieve Xavier's dream.

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Top Ten Wolverine Villains:

http://comics.ign.com/articles/706/706386p1.html

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Top Ten X-Men Villains (and Magneto is NOT #1):

http://comics.ign.com/articles/704/704068p1.html

[Cyclops]

Yes! I will disagree with Wizard and say that I love Guido Carosella. X-Factor Annual # 8 where Guido went to search for survivors in a terrible subway accident and only found a puppy is one of the best short stories ever written in my opinion, both in comicbook and regular printed page. It's just beautifully-written, powerfully emotional stuff.

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Top Ten X-Babes:

http://comics.ign.com/articles/705/705361p1.html

[Optic Rage]

I bet anything Wolverine takes the #1 spot.

Im suprised to see Emma & Psylocke so low...

[Valechan]

Betsy is waaaay to low. In my list she's number 2 :D

[Neptune]

No way Emma's the number one x-babe. Rogue is so much hotter. And what about Lila Cheney? I would have liked to see her in that top 10. I know she's not exactly an X-man but i'm a sucker for girls with short hair.

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#20Madrox (http://comics.ign.com/objects/740/740884.html)
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First Appearance: Giant-Size Fantastic Four (http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708826p2.html#) #4
Powers: Create a seemingly infinite number of duplicates

Multiplicity itself doesn't make for an interesting character. But Madrox is about as complex as they get. His dupes each carry a piece of Jamie's personality, but Madrox never knows what part of his personality that might be upon creation. Every time he spawns a dupe, he's just as likely to find something surprising and good about himself, as he is to be face to face with his inner demons. Invited to be an X-Man, he wisely declined. It's not that he is opposed to Xavier's dream, it's that his own persona is better fit to the fringes, with a group like X-Factor. Jamie has grown into a leadership role, investigating mutant-related crimes and doing the dirty work often overlooked by the X-Men (http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708826p2.html#).

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#19Banshee (http://comics.ign.com/objects/827/827915.html)
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First Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #28
Powers: Powerful voice capable of a variety of attacks, also allows Banshee to fly

Banshee has been associated with the X-Men for almost as long as the group has been in existence. A born leader, Banshee never truly had the opportunity to shine with Xavier's crew. He was co-headmaster of the Emma Frost's Massachusetts Academy, where he attempted to play the Xavier role and teach young mutants the value of "The Dream." Banshee was always one step removed from the original X-Men and seemed to be constantly trying to prove himself. He did so, even before sacrificing himself in an attempt save the lives of innocents.

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#18Blink (AOA) (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735424.html)http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gif
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: X-Men Alpha
Powers: Creates portals that teleport her and anyone who enters to locations as far as the moon

The original Blink was a shy, almost forgettable girl. But in the Age of Apocalypse, we met an alternate version of Blink, one hardened by Apocalypse's genocidal war. Clarice is a tough young woman, who can be very creative with her powers. The young elf's loyalty and devotion to Sabretooth, a man who saved her from Dark Beast, is as strong as any bond in the X-Men Universe. Blink would go on to become leader of the Exiles. She remains the most popular X-Man to never earn a starring role in either of the premier X-Men books.

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#17Bishop (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735420.html)http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gif
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #282
Powers: Absorb and re-cast almost all forms of energy, including psionic attacks

Warnings of future peril have been common across the X-Men's timeline, but Bishop's arrival propelled the X-Universe forward for years. Coming from a future where the X-Men were dead, betrayed, supposedly, by Gambit, Bishop had greater regard and reverence for Xavier's dream than almost any other X-Man before or since. Bishop was integral in the Age of Apocalypse storyline and in the unfortunate Onslaught arc. While his knowledge of a potential future carries a strong warning for today's X-Men, he is proof that even in the most dire conditions, the Dream will live on.

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#16Havok (http://comics.ign.com/objects/746/746550.html)
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #58
Powers: Absorb and fire plasma energy

As brother of X-Man mainstay Scott Summers, Alex has struggled to find his place in the X-Universe. Always second fiddle to his brother, Havok has bounced from group to group, searching for the one place he fits in. Just as Cyclops strives to earn Xavier's approval, Havok seeks the approval of his own brother. He believes in the dream, though not necessarily Xavier's and Cyclops' methods. But if and when the final battle does come, Havok will stand beside the X-Men, no matter what.

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#21 Emma Frost
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #129
Powers: Telepathy, diamond-coated skin, being a *****

In many ways a twisted version of Professor X, Emma Frost has raised and taught young mutants ever since her days in the Hellfire Club. In the Hellfire Club, Frost raised a young team of villains named the Hellions. After the team was slaughtered by Sentinels, Emma joined Xavier's cause and, with Banshee, was the leader and mentor of Generation X. Since she began her tenure with the X-Men, Frost has been involved in both telepathic and physical relationship with Cyclops, and has elevated herself to co-leader of the school. Although it was recently revealed that she might be a sleeper agent for something very sinister, there is no doubt that Emma desires, on some level, to achieve Xavier's dream.
That's one hot art of Frost. :up:

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That's one hot art of Frost. :up:

More like Barbarella Frost. Lol.

[LEX]

More like Barbarella Frost. Lol.
What's funny, I can see the resemblance. :p A bunch of images came up when I searched 'Barbarella' on Google. Still hot art, anyway. A bit too revealing for a comic-book, I think.

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#15Cable (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735428.html)
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance (as Cable): New Mutants #87
Powers: Telekinesis, telepathy, grossly disproportioned anatomy

Initially, Cable was little more than an over-muscled, gun-toting thug with a glowing eye. Over time, the character has evolved into one of the more interesting, if underappreciated, X-Men (http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708826p3.html#). Son of Scott Summers and Madelyne Prior, Cable was raised in an alternate future, where Apocalypse rules. The time-displaced mutant could be the most powerful on the planet, if the majority of his telekinetic skills were not focused on keeping his cybernetic body from falling apart. Cable lives on the fringes of the X-Universe, but he's an integral part of the X-Men's past and future.

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#14Iceman (http://comics.ign.com/objects/739/739306.html)
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1
Powers: Can lower his own body temperature and free moisture around himself allowing for a multitude of creative applications

Bobby is the kid brother who never thought he could live up to expectations, so he didn't bother. Believe it or not, Iceman is one of the rare Omega mutants, a being potentially more powerful than Magneto or Xavier. This potential, however, may never be reached, because Bobby has little faith in himself. Despite his own personal issues, Iceman has been an X-Man (http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708826p3.html#) almost his entire life. As with the best students, Bobby's time at Xavier's is about more than just The Dream -- it's about his own personal journey, one that sees him continuing to learn and grow.

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#13Magneto (http://comics.ign.com/objects/739/739447.html)http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gif
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1
Powers: Near-complete control over electromagnetic spectrum with mastery so fine he can actually redirect the flow of iron in someone's brain to effectively alter their mind

Magneto is Xavier's perfect foil. Yet he has also been one of the most compelling X-Men of all time. After surrendering himself to authorities and being acquitted of his crimes, Magneto took over Xavier's school for a brief period. It is only through the contrast from his malevolent actions that Magneto's good side can shine so brightly. For all of the "bad guys" who have converted to the X-Men, Magneto remains the true test to Xavier's Dream. When Magneto is finally swayed, The Dream can truly thrive.

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#12Sabretooth (AOA) (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735491.html)http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gif
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: X-Men Alpha
Powers: Healing factor, claws and fangs that can rend bone, heightened senses

The 616 (http://comics.ign.com/articles/683/683195p1.html) Sabretooth is a bastard. He's evil down to his core. So when we first met the Age of Apocalypse Sabretooth, it was a bit of a shock. This alternate world Victor Creed is still a bad ass, but he's also a devoted X-Man and surrogate father to Blink. Sabretooth's willingness to sacrifice himself for others and his countless heroics in the Age of Apocalypse, earned him a spot in the X-Men Hall of Fame.

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#11Archangel (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735415.html)
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1
Powers: Winged flight, heal others

One of the original X-Men, Warren Worthington has not had an easy life. Born into wealth, he was also saddled with a mutation almost impossible to hide. His wings, as the best mutations tend to be, are both blessing and curse. Archangel follows the heroic arc of champion who falls from grace only to rise again, better than before. After his wings were removed, Angel faked his own death and became one of the Horsemen of Apocalypse. He has since returned to the side of good and once again become on of the mutant population's most visible members.

[FieryBalrog]

Magneto at 13?? Emma below Blink? :confused: :eek:


weird list...


edit: AOA Sabretooth? These guys really must love AoA... Blink... AOA Sabretooth... no way is an alternate reality version of Sabretooth one of the top X-characters :rolleyes: , beating Magneto of all people.

[Cyclops]

AOA Sabretooth was great because he was as noble and altruistic as his 616 counterpart was psychopathic. I think that in and of itself merits him a spot on this list.

[Manic]

Emma below Blink? :confused: :eek:
Clearly, you've never read Exiles. Blink kicks all kinds of ass.

[The Batman]

strong guy's on the list? STRONG GUY???

wow....

[FieryBalrog]

AOA Sabretooth was great because he was as noble and altruistic as his 616 counterpart was psychopathic. I think that in and of itself merits him a spot on this list.

being the opposite of your 616 character is hardly a particularly interesting trait in and of itself. By those merits half the people from What Ifs should be on this list. Hell Ultimate Longshot should be on the list. Ultimate Emma Frost. Tons of people.

and on the 25 greatest X-men characters of all time, above Magneto

please :rolleyes:

I mean this might be a debatable issue if AoA was the only story the X-men ever had. But over 40 years.... its ridonkulous.

Clearly, you've never read Exiles. Blink kicks all kinds of ass.

I still think its ridiculous to put her over someone like Emma Frost, whom I dont even like much but is far more important to the X-mythos, and popular, than Blink, and is even more unique and storied of a character.

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#13Magneto (http://comics.ign.com/objects/739/739447.html)http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gif
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1
Powers: Near-complete control over electromagnetic spectrum with mastery so fine he can actually redirect the flow of iron in someone's brain to effectively alter their mind

Magneto is Xavier's perfect foil. Yet he has also been one of the most compelling X-Men of all time. After surrendering himself to authorities and being acquitted of his crimes, Magneto took over Xavier's school for a brief period. It is only through the contrast from his malevolent actions that Magneto's good side can shine so brightly. For all of the "bad guys" who have converted to the X-Men, Magneto remains the true test to Xavier's Dream. When Magneto is finally swayed, The Dream can truly thrive.

Do they have one of these qith storm? I was curious because i wanted to know what her power description was. I thought it would be something like "weather manipulation", and thats it.

[Cyclops]

Oh well, Balrog, I guess I just don't see the point in freaking out and getting all upset over a list based on one guy's opinion. *shrug*

[americanguy96]

So the top ten will probably include Rogue, Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey, Wolverine, Gambit, Beast, Colussus, Shadowcat, and Professor X? That's who I'm going with anyways, but I don't know what order.

[FieryBalrog]

Oh well, Balrog, I guess I just don't see the point in freaking out and getting all upset over a list based on one guy's opinion. *shrug*

lol! i'm not upset. I just think its idiotic, in the same manner as pet rocks and jump-to-conclusions-mats.

[S7ilver]

Eh, this list doesn't seem too..right. Well that's what I think, but really Magneto at 13? I think they were just trying to be "different" and not follow the same routine as most other Top 25 Lists

[Cyclops]

Which is not a bad thing in and of itself. Who would want to see the same list show up over and over again?

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#10Colossus (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735435.html)
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Giant-Size X-Men #1
Powers: Transmute flesh into organic steel, making him nearly invulnerable and providing super-strength

For most, the X-Men is an extended family. It figures that with few internal conflicts for Piotr within the X-Men, it's his biological family that causes so much trouble. Insanity runs through the Rasputin's, as does premature death. Faced with repeated tragedy, Colossus continues to maintain a positive outlook on life. He is the perfect contrast. In battle, he is the strongest X-Man, a brute force few can withstand. In private, he is a sensitive artist, deeply in love with Kitty Pryde.

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#9Beast (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735418.html)http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gif
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1
Powers: Enhanced strength, incredible agility, prehensile feet

Hank is an original member of the X-Men and it would seem he'll be the very last to ever leave the mansion. He spends his days more often in the lab than in the trenches, but that makes him no less an X-Man. He is devoted to The Dream and firmly believes that man and mutant should live side by side as brothers. Hank has struggled with his animal form. He is, ironically, one of the most human of the X-Man, taking the opinions of others to heart. He shuts himself out from the world, often even from his teammates, to work in the lab and avoid the possibility of rejection for his looks. When the world can accept Henry McCoy, the X-Men will have succeeded in their mission.

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#8Storm (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735501.html)
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Giant-Size X-Men #1
Powers: Near total control of the weather, flight on gusts of wind

Few characters in the history of comics (http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708826p4.html#) have seen as many in-continuity changes as Ororo Monroe. She is Goddess and warrior, friend and elitist, leader and loner. These contradictions are born from Ororo. They are not troubles merely sprung on by desperate writers. Storm is a character fighting who she once was (a frightened thief), who she thought she was (infallible goddess) and who she must become (an unwavering leader). Though Cyclops may be the default leader of the X-Men, in particular because of his allegiance to The Dream, Storm is the better choice to be in charge.

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#7Nightcrawler (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735501.html)
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Giant-Size X-Men #1
Powers: Enhanced agility, nightvision, teleportation, prehensile tail

Faith should have a prominent role in Xavier's Dream. However, almost all of the faith-based concerns fall on the shoulders of Nightcrawler. Deeply religious, Nightcrawler is feared and hated for his devilish appearance (and German accent). Oddly enough, he seems to receive more venom from religious zealots than most X-Men simply because of the way he looks. Religion is one of the few commonalities that could bring mutants and humans together and it is through his fait that Nightcrawler has stayed true to the X-Men for so long.

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#6Jean Grey (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735460.html)http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gif
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1
Powers: Telekinesis, Telepathy

Jean Grey is host to the most powerful entity in the universe. One of the original X-Men, Jean has become the symbol (and cruel joke) of death and rebirth among the mutant population. Partnered with the Phoenix Force, Jean has returned to the X-Men on several occasions. However, it's her first death that remains both memorable and significant to X-Men lore. Jean sacrificed herself, choosing to die as a human than live as a God. In a universe where self-worth is almost exclusive judged on power level, Jean held her humanity so dear she was willing to give up everything she loved. The strong-willed redhead is an integral part of the X-Men's legacy.

[S7ilver]

Eh, wish Storm was higher but..who's left; Wolverine, Cyclops, Rogue, ..? I'll be really suprised if Gambit makes it, I'm not saying he's a bad character but I can't see him being ahead of any of those 5..

[Manic]

I still think its ridiculous to put her over someone like Emma Frost, whom I dont even like much but is far more important to the X-mythos, and popular, than Blink, and is even more unique and storied of a character.
Living the Dream, Personality, and Staying Power. Those are the judging criteria. Emma loses major points for walking around with that personality.

[FieryBalrog]

Living the Dream, Personality, and Staying Power. Those are the judging criteria. Emma loses major points for walking around with that personality.
Why? :confused:

And AOA Sabretooth? What is he doing there?

Personality: just the opposite of his 616
Living the Dream: Yes, but who doesnt
Staying Power: Zero.

[FieryBalrog]

I'm guessing the last 5 will be Cyclops, Xavier, Rogue, Gambit and oh I dunno, Mimic or someone.

[Valechan]

Who on Earth wrote this list??? It is the worst listing of X-Men ever!!!! Can we sue them?

[Intheknow101]

I'm glad Jean topped certain people on all these lists from top 25 X-Men to top x-babe. Wooot woot. It's GREAT.:up::)

[Valechan]

It is cool that they clarify that Jean is a different thing from the Phoenix Force, and merely her host :p

[Intheknow101]

It is cool that they clarify that Jean is a different thing from the Phoenix Force, and merely her host :p

I don't want to get into this argument again. When Jean becomes one with a raw force, she becomes Phoenix. It's just like how Joseph became one with the magnetic field, but he happened to didn't exist afterwards. We've gone through this a bazillion times Sebita.
And from a recent issue of Uncanny:
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See what the ACTUAL issue says? "JEAN GREY of the X-Men BECAME the PHOENIX."

But that doesn't matter because Jean still tops a certain over rated individual (who will not be named) on all those lists. Heck even Emma, and Psylocke topped her on the hot x-babe one. Sweetness. :D:up::up:

[Intheknow101]

It's also cool that they said this "who she thought she was (infallible goddess)".
Guess she's not a goddess after all. Who would have thought? :p

[Valechan]

Regardless of what you or I think, those people at IGN say she isn't, so if you agree to their listing, you must agree to that as well, because if they can make a mistake (in your point of view) then they can also make a mistake in the listing :p

[Valechan]

It's also cool that they said this "who she thought she was (infallible goddess)".
Guess she's not a goddess after all. Who would have thought? :p

Since I don't agree with their list, I can say I don't agree with anything they say. You cannot, you agree with that list and everything in it :p

[Intheknow101]

Regardless of what you or I think, those people at IGN say she isn't, so if you agree to their listing, you must agree to that as well, because if they can make a mistake (in your point of view) then they can also make a mistake in the listing :p

Sure....keeping saying that.:)

[Blackpanther22]

I too can't believe Jean is above Storm in this countdown. And how they empahsized on her humanity because she chose to sacrifice herself. There are many other X-men that have done that including Storm.

Also they empahsized that Ororo is a loner by nature, not made to be tied up to anyone *ahem*T'chala*ahem*

[Intheknow101]

I too can't believe Jean is above Storm in this countdown. And how they empahsized on her humanity because she chose to sacrifice herself. There are many other X-men that have done that including Storm.

Also they empahsized that Ororo is a loner by nature, not made to be tied up to anyone *ahem*T'chala*ahem*



Believe it. She always beats Storm in these countdowns. X-Fan had one and she was #2 there as well. Storm was like 8 I think. Wizard had a poll for sexiest x-woman and she came up in 3rd place. Storm was even behind Kitty in that poll.

[S7ilver]

Believe it. She always beats Storm in these countdowns. X-Fan had one and she was #2 there as well. Storm was like 8 I think. Wizard had a poll for sexiest x-woman and she came up in 3rd place. Storm was even behind Kitty in that poll.
X-Fan also had a "Top 10 People They Wanted Dead" countdown if you recall, Jean clocked in at #10, doesn't make much sense to me if she was #2 on their other list..But oh well, these things are always confusing, btw being hot and being a great character is subjective, which means it's not factual and is a matter of opinion. Which is obvious when Magneto comes in at #1 at X-Fan but #13 at IGN, don't take it as written truth.

[Intheknow101]

Keep on talking, it just shows how you're so insecure about your fandom

NO it's the fact that you Storm fans think she is the end all and be all. Comments like "gee why is Storm so low" or "why is Jean beating Storm, I don't believe it!?" etc reek of continuing to believe Storm is the be all and end all and the best, despite things showing she isn't. Self deception goes a long way it seems.

[S7ilver]

NO it's the fact that you Storm fans think she is the end all and be all. Comments like "gee why is Storm so low" or "why is Jean beating Storm?" etc reek of continuing to believe Storm is the be all and end all and the best, despite things showing she isn't. Self deception goes a long way it seems.
When did I say Storm should be at the top of the list? I said she should be higher then she is, and when did anyone ask why Jean was beating Storm? You're the one brought up the fact that you were so happy about what place the 2 were in with no provoction from anyone else.

[Intheknow101]

When did I say Storm should be at the top of the list? I said she should be higher then she is, and when did anyone ask why Jean was beating Storm? You're the one brought up the fact that you were so happy about what place the 2 were in with no provoction from anyone else.


Hey, just pointing out the obvious. It's not like I made up the fact that Jean placed where she did. THe Storm fans are the ones who continually deny, discount, or what have you things that don't fit their vision of Storm should be tops.
Even in another thread, Iceman who is an omega mutant we have Storm fans saying she can beat him. This constant Storm should be the best/is the best thing is crazy.

[cardslinger]

I'm sorry, but sometimes you Jean fans seem to be worse than the Storm fans. I like both characters. They both have their flaws. Just live with the fact that people have different opinions.

[S7ilver]

Hey, just pointing out the obvious. It's not like I made up the fact that Jean placed where she did. THe Storm fans are the ones who continually deny, discount, or what have you things that don't fit their vision of Storm should be tops.
Even in another thread, Iceman who is an omega mutant we have Storm fans saying she can beat him. This constant Storm should be the best/is the best thing is crazy.
Oh yeah that totally gives you the right to stir up trouble when a few fans aren't acting the right way. Guess what, it's not only the Storm fans, all the characters have fans who are somewhat annoying, including Jean. I'd put you under that list right now with the way you're acting..

[Intheknow101]

Oh yeah that totally gives you the right to stir up trouble when a few fans aren't acting the right way. Guess what, it's not only the Storm fans, all the characters have fans who are somewhat annoying, including Jean. I'd put you under that list right now with the way you're acting..

Oh another list! Am I higher or lower than Storm? She should be #1 right?:p:rolleyes:

[cardslinger]

I give up.:(

[Intheknow101]

I give up.:(

it was a joke playing off this whole list thing, calm down. see the smileys?

[Specter313]

#5Rogue (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735490.html)
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Avengers Annual #10
Powers: Absorb powers and memory through skin contact, flight

Rogue is the perfect example of why the Xavier Institute must exist. Any skin-to-skin contact causes Rogue to absorb the powers and memories of whomever she touches. Though Xavier's school never taught Rogue how to control her powers, it has helped teach her to deal with a world she can never truly touch. Long ago, Rogue was a villain, who absorbed Ms. Marvel's powers before being brought to the X-Men by her surrogate mother, Mystique. She's grown to become a vital member of the X-Men and proof that Xavier's methods can work and are, in fact, necessary.

[Specter313]

#4Wolverine (http://comics.ign.com/objects/734/734937.html)http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gif
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Incredible Hulk #180
Powers: Healing factor, six adamantium claws capable of cutting through almost any material, heightened senses, immobilizing cigar breath

Though he may have become oversaturated, Wolverine is no less one of the greatest of all X-Men. Logan is a loner by nature and a man fighting to keep his animal instincts from controlling his actions. He argues regularly with his fellow X-Men and leaves the team often to pursue his own personal agenda. Yet his support of the X-Men rarely, if ever, wavers. He may not be a team player, but Logan has the best interests of the X-Men at heart. Despite his wandering ways, Wolverine has been one of the most reliable X-Men over the years.

[Specter313]

#3Kitty Pryde (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735511.html)
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFirst Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #129
Powers: Phasing

Most mutants come to Xavier's having experienced great trauma and difficulty in their youth. Kitty arrived as an innocent with the seemingly innocuous power to turn intangible. She is the mutant everyman, the common girl turned superhero. Marvel has attempted to replicate Kitty Pryde on several occasions, most notably with Jubilee, but there's something special about Kitty that puts her above the rest. She's strong-willed, creative and fiercely loyal. Just as her pet dragon, Lockheed, became instantly attached to Kitty, we were hooked early on. Who could have guessed long ago that she would become one of the most endearing characters in the X-Men Universe?

[Specter313]

#2Professor X (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735484.html)
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First Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1
Powers: The world's most powerful telepath (currently de-powered)

It's Xavier's Dream the X-Men follow. Without Xavier, there would be no X-Men and no unified opposition to Magneto. He is, to put it bluntly, a prophet of the new age. His students, his followers, may interpret the meaning of his words and dream differently, but Xavier's core belief has remained intact through an entire generation of mutants. The Dream has grown to outpace the man. Xavier has lost faith in himself several times, abandoning his team for sometimes selfish reasons. While that can be acceptable for followers, a man like Xavier must maintain a strong front and never walk away from his children.

[Specter313]

#1Cyclops (http://comics.ign.com/objects/735/735436.html)

First Appearance: Uncanny X-Men #1
Powers: High-intensity, continuous optic blast

The student has become greater than the master. That's the nature of the world and so to is it with the X-Men Universe as Scott Summers has surpassed Xavier to become the greatest X-Man (http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708826p5.html#). A heavy burden was placed on his shoulders as a young man. He was chosen to lead a team of mutants on a crusade that would likely determine Homo Superior's place in the world.
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He's lost two wives, reunited with his space pirate father, discovered two lost brothers, fought beside both a son and daughter from alternate futures, and defended The Dream as a knight might protect the Holy Grail. Through all of this, he's still standing.

[Exploding Boy]

GO KITTY!!! WOOOT.

I dont like how they use video game pictures as some of the peoples pictures.

[cardslinger]

No Gambit.:(
I mean, I didn't expect him in the top five, but to not be on the list at all?

[Colossal Spoons]

As long as Wolverine wasn't #1 I'm happy.

[cardslinger]

As long as Wolverine wasn't #1 I'm happy.
Agreed!:)

[FieryBalrog]

Nice to see Cyclops at #1.

[Manic]

Somebody tell those asshats at IGN that Kitty has a codename.

[Radagast_Prime]

Nice to see Cyclops at #1.

:) :up: :up: :up:

[Exploding Boy]

Somebody tell those asshats at IGN that Kitty has a codename.
Seriously, no one calls her Shadowcat.

[javon]

Can someone give me a link to this ING site?

[Telekinetic]

ign.com
.....

[Valechan]

To stop all bickering, why don't we join forces and belittle Rogue who was higher than both Ororo and Jean and there seems to be no Rogue fans here?

Also Cyclops as 1??? I get it!!! The list was trying to list the worst X-Men ever, so to find the best we should look at it upside down. The best is actually Guido :p. Goddess how can they list that brain dead dude as 1??? Those IGN are as brain dead as he is...

[Harlekin]

Cyclops deserved it IMO. The first X-Man and leader. Let's not forget the criteria this was based on: Personality, Dream and Staying Power. Cyclops has been a prominent figure for pretty much the entire X-Men history, is one of the chief upholders of the dream and has personality (be it good or bad) in spades.

[Valechan]

Personality??? Cyclops???? Where???? He has always allowed telepaths to control him, be it Xavier, Grey or Frost. He is the guy that always screws up. I loved it when Emma compared him to all the other Marvel Leaders and he was crap compared to them. Astonishing 14 is one of my favorite issues ever :D

[Cyclops]

Somebody tell those asshats at IGN that Kitty has a codename.

Sprite or Shadowcat? I mean, that's the problem with her. Her own real name is much more distinctive than her codename.

Oh, and sebita? Stop crying.

[Exploding Boy]

She's been going by Shadowcat for a while though.

[Cyclops]

Right. But her own birth-name is far more distinctive than Shadowcat. Kitty Pryde. It's just a very distinctive name.

[Exploding Boy]

I understand what you're saying. Its not just like "Bobby Drake", Kitty Pryde stands out.

[americanguy96]

Cyclops finally gets the treatment he deserves. He's the most lasting X-Men there is, and I'm glad IGN gave him his dues. Now, Rogue before Storm and Jean? I don't know about that, because I kind of feel Jean should have been number 2 in my opinion.

[usagicassidy]

Does anyone find it humurous that Cyclops is number one for following Xavior's dream, yet Xavior himself is only number two? C'mon, someone has to find that funny.

[Valechan]

Not funny, bunny, Ridiculous!!!

[Cyclops]

Does anyone find it humurous that Cyclops is number one for following Xavior's dream, yet Xavior himself is only number two? C'mon, someone has to find that funny.

They gave their reasons, that's good enough for me. I'm just glad Guido made it on the list at all. He deserves much more respect than he gets.

[Cyclops]

Not funny, bunny, Ridiculous!!!

You're just sore because your obsession didn't make the top spot. :p

[Valechan]

I like Guido, but he's not an X-Man, there should not have been any non-X-Men on that list.

[Valechan]

You're just sore because your obsession didn't make the top spot. :p

I've never heard of IGN until this very thread. I am not mad about a list a bunch of people I don't know (or care about) do. In my list she's always numero uno :D

[Cyclops]

I've never heard of IGN until this very thread. I am not mad about a list a bunch of people I don't know (or care about) do. In my list she's always numero uno :D

You say it, but you're not saying it convincingly. :)

[Mar420x]

X-Men #186
Written by Peter Milligan
Art by Salvador Larrocahttp://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/709/709023/comics-reviews-for-may-17-2006-20060517000941308-000.jpg Rating: Burn It Rich's Review: This book is ludicrous. I literally want to take it out to the back of the building and light it on fire. This is worse than some of the stupid '90s stuff we all suffered through. Milligan seems to be winging it. The plot is virtually nonexistent, ranging from random plot devices to illogical cameos. The New Avengers guest star, presumably to add "weight" to Apocalypse's scheme, and they never actually do anything. Actually, Apocalypse's scheme is so outlandish that it's never taken seriously. Milligan realizes this and tries to address it via Apocalypse's reasoning, but even that comes across as half-hearted and idiotic. Larroca's art is an uninspired mess. There's no continuity between pages and panels, meaning that a lot of things just pop up out of nowhere. Apocalypse is walking through a dark hall in one panel, then in the next is falling down a brightly lit chasm. What? Then he's standing in front of a giant mouth. Sure, why not? Oh, and I forgot to mention the whole Neon Genesis Eva... sorry, I meant "Super Sentinels" that also seem to stand around and not do much. That's just wonderful. I'll be sure to take pictures of this book becoming a pile of ash. This is easily the worst thing I've read all month.

[usagicassidy]

Haha that was a great review...because that issue...that arc...everything since Milligan has started deserves to be burned.

[Cyclops]

But what's it doing here?

[Harlekin]

Not funny, bunny, Ridiculous!!!
Actually, it's very logical, considering the many times Xavier abandoned the X-Men and his dream.

Personality??? Cyclops???? Where???? He has always allowed telepaths to control him, be it Xavier, Grey or Frost. He is the guy that always screws up. I loved it when Emma compared him to all the other Marvel Leaders and he was crap compared to them. Astonishing 14 is one of my favorite issues ever :D
Now I could respond, but it would be futile against you sebita.

[MajinShenron]

Kitty infront of Wolverine? Blah.

[Banshee]

Glad Banshee made it, and I'm glad Cyclops was number one spot.

I do hate all this talk of Storm being suited more for being a leader than Cyclops, that's bull**** if you ask me.

[iamjason]

Glad to see Cyclops and Kitty in front of Logan!
Cyclops as the leader of X-men,being no,1 is what he deserve!

[cardslinger]

I like Cyclops' spot on the list. It makes sence. I think Storm could have been alittle higher, but I won't complain any more than that. What I think is wrong about the list is the fact that Gambit is nowhere to be found. He may be questionable, but he believes in Xavior's dream and has fought alongside the X-Men for a long time. I think he deserves to be on this list.

[Optic Rage]

Good to see Cyclops at #1..i was sure he was going to be #2 with logan being #1

I am quite suprised that Gambit was not in the top 25....he should of been in the top 10 imo.

Oh and sebita...stop your *****ing just because your ''godess'' just managed to make it into the top ten.

[Cyclops]

Now I could respond, but it would be futile against you sebita.

And here we've hit the heart of the matter.

[usagicassidy]

I actually really like their list. I think it has the perfect people on it in the perfect slots. And their reasoning all seems very logical.

[Valechan]

There was no Gambit? I didn't even realise that... that list keeps on sucking...

[Harlekin]

There was no Gambit? I didn't even realise that... that list keeps on sucking...
Again, the criteria:
The Dream
Personality
Staying Power

Gambit fails the first and last category. He hasn't had a decent role in comics in years.

[FieryBalrog]

Again, the criteria:
The Dream
Personality
Staying Power

Gambit fails the first and last category. He hasn't had a decent role in comics in years.

agreed.

I still think he should be in the top 25 though.

[cardslinger]

Again, the criteria:
The Dream
Personality
Staying Power

Gambit fails the first and last category. He hasn't had a decent role in comics in years.
I disagree. Gambit has lived the dream. He was maried to a human and has worked with them his entire life. He has alway believe that humans and mutants should work and live together in peace. And as for not having a decent role in comics in years, it is not Gambit's fault he has been in the hands of crapy writers for so long. I'd say he has more staying power for living through all the crap. I'd say he has more staying power than characters like Strong Guy. I mean, come on.:mad:

[Valechan]

Heck he IS an X-Man, Guido was never one.

[Harlekin]

I disagree. Gambit has lived the dream. He was maried to a human and has worked with them his entire life. He has alway believe that humans and mutants should work and live together in peace.
But I'd hardly call him a follower of the dream. He's not its most loyal member. Gambit isn't an X-Man because he's a fervent believer of the dream. He's an X-Man because his friends are, and they've become his family.

And as for not having a decent role in comics in years, it is not Gambit's fault he has been in the hands of crapy writers for so long. I'd say he has more staying power for living through all the crap. I'd say he has more staying power than characters like Strong Guy. I mean, come on.:mad:
Depends on your definition of staying power obviously. The fact that they were even able to do all this crap to a formerly succesful and popular character speaks enough words to me. Heck, I'll admit that Strong Guy shouldn't have been on the list, but Gambit certainly didn't deserve it more.

[cardslinger]

Shall we agree to disagree?

[Harlekin]

Yeah, that's cool too.

[Crowley9]

I just saw this: http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708753p1.html
A poll about which current X-man and former villain should revert back to bad. What is Sabretooth doing there? He's a good guy now? Since when?

[Valechan]

he will be come June

When on Earth was Rachel Evil??? This people know ****...

[Crowley9]

When on Earth was Rachel Evil???
When she was about to kill Selene and was stabbed by Wolverine?

[Manic]

Sabretooth will be evil again by this time next year.

[Valechan]

When she was about to kill Selene and was stabbed by Wolverine?

That wasn't evil!!! That was her just trying to eliminate a villain. She didn't go Dark baby Phoenix on their arses and she very well could have. That small incident cannot count at all.

[Crowley9]

I know. Just grasping at straws here. Maybe she was a villain in Mojoworld?

[Valechan]

It hasn't been revealed what happened to her in Mojoworld. She wasn't a villain there. The only plausible explanation is that they're referring to her hound days, but that was in the future and it wasn't her fault. It's not like she was evil...

[Specter313]

he will be come June

When on Earth was Rachel Evil??? This people know ****...

Let's see:

~ When she was one of Ahab's hounds
~ When she went after the Beyonder and using the souls of her unwilling friends
~ When she was Bogan's "pet"


Maybe you're the one who needs to bone up on your non Storm knowledge.

[Manic]

Let's see:

~ When she was one of Ahab's hounds
~ When she went after the Beyonder and using the souls of her unwilling friends
~ When she was Bogan's "pet"


Maybe you're the one who needs to bone up on your non Storm knowledge.
That's not evil. That's brainwashing, overzealous anti-heroism, and mind control.

[Valechan]

When she was Bogan's pet she wasn't evil, read my previous post to see that I mentioned the hound phase before you did :p.

Bogan, the Hound, those were situations behind her control, she was forced to do such things. The Beyonder is debatable, is she evil because she wants to kill a villain???? It's not like she was fighting the X-Men just to fight the X-Men. It doesn't count as "evilness" or "villainess".

[Specter313]

That's not evil. That's brainwashing, overzealous anti-heroism, and mind control.

But she was still doing evil deeds, brainwashing or mindcontrol or not, she was still evil through those. Just because she wasn't the one in control doesn't make what she did any less evil.

[Valechan]

You're not evil if someone controls your mind and forces you to do stuff!!

[Specter313]

You're not evil if someone controls your mind and forces you to do stuff!!

Like I said, it doesn't matter. What she did was still considered evil.

[Valechan]

IT shouldn't be. It's preposterous to compare Rachel to former villains like Mystique, Sabretooth and Frost. They're just not the same. Heck Gambit shouldn't be on that list either!!

[Manic]

She may have done evil things, but that doesn't make her evil. It makes her a tool of evil.

[Robin91939]

My Top 25

25.) MOIRA MACTAGGERT (not a mutant, but has helped the X-men more than most)
24.) POLARIS
23.) PSYLOCK
22.) CABLE
21.) SUNFIRE
20.) QUICKSILVER
19.) EMMA FROST
18.) FORGE
17.) BISHOP
16.) HAVOK
15.) MULTIPLE MAN
14.) BANSHEE
13.) GAMBIT
12.) ANGEL
11.) ICEMAN
10.) SHADOW CAT
9.) BEAST
8.) JEAN GREY (PHOENIX)
7.) STORM
6.) NIGHTCRAWLER
5.) COLOSSUS
4.) MAGNETO
3.) WOLVERINE
2.) CHARLES XAVIER
1.) CYCLOPS

-R

[Harlekin]

She may have done evil things, but that doesn't make her evil. It makes her a tool of evil.
True. It's just a grammar thing guys. They're obviously referring to Rachel becoming a tool of evil once more.

[Cyclops]

Am I the only one who just finds it really hard to give a flying fart about Rachel?

[Manic]

I like Rachel... when she's not written like a piece of crap.

[Cyclops]

I'm just sick of all this uber-ridiculous Summers family convolution.

[Spider-jedi]

i think gambit should have been there along with jubilee but mainly gambit

[Manic]

I'm just sick of all this uber-ridiculous Summers family convolution.
Well, in all fairness, Rachel's been around longer than any other time-traveling/universe-hopping Summers kid. She was around before it got too convoluted.

[Cyclops]

But she was the first straw of the convolution. She opened the door, everyone else just walked in.

[Kanon]

I hate that list... Cyclops can't be #1...

[Cyclops]

Can and is, kiddo. Can and is.

[Valechan]

I like Rachel, always have always will :D (she wasn't on the list either... wasn't she??)

[Doc Destruction]

he will be come June

When on Earth was Rachel Evil??? This people know ****...

She was a hound, gang. A mutant hunting and killing machine. That's pretty evil.

[Valechan]

Not out of her choice, she was forced to do those things.

And btw, totally agree with your sig...

[javon]

what is "btw"?^

[Valechan]

By the way... goddess... mind if I ask you a question Javon... how old are you?

[Manic]

By the way... goddess... mind if I ask you a question Javon... how old are you?
Javon is in middle school. Anyway, you can't get mad at someone for not understanding all this damn "internet shorthand."

[Valechan]

I was getting mad at him in another topic... I really got mad at him there... this was just another drop in the glass...

[Exploding Boy]

Dude, Sebita. I've been there a done that several times with the whole "hate javon" thing. You just have to learn to ignore him or get used to it.

[Specter313]

Ok, onto a new feature that started this week:

The 25 Greatest Moments in X-Men History
Shocking deaths, heroes reborn and alternate futures highlight our list of the unforgettable events from the past 40 years of X-Men comics.
by Hilary Goldstein & Richard George (http://comics.ign.com/email.html)


May 22, 2006 - This Friday, X-Men: The Last Stand hits theatres. The third film in the X-Men series has a new director and a whole lot of new mutants. We can't say for certain whether or not the upcoming film will have any classic moments, but we have our fingers crossed. In preparation for the movie, we looked at the Top 25 X-Men (http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708826p1.html) last week. This week, we step it up a notch to bring you the 25 Greatest Moments in X-Men History. If you thought we were wrong about the best X-Men, just wait until you see our picks for the best X-Moments.
It wasn't easy to choose from so many great moments. Here are just a few that didn't make the cut:

Wolverine pops claws into Sabretooth's brain (http://comics.ign.com/articles/709/709256p1.html#)
Rogue vs. Carol Danvers in the Savage Lands
Jean discovers Emma & Cyclops' psychic affair
Stryfe removes helmet, reveals himself to be Rob Liefeld's dumb idea in New Mutants #100Throughout the week we'll reveal the 25 greatest moments, five a day. If you think we got it wrong (or right), tell us your list (http://comics.ign.com/email.html).




No More Mutants House of M #7</B>
Words: Brian Michael Bendis | Pencils: Olivier Coipel
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Three words have never been more powerful in the Marvel Universe. After an epic battle that culminated with Quicksilver's death at the hands of Magneto, Wanda Maximoff took matters into her own hands. Seeing the devastation caused by mutants being both subservient and dominant, she decided the only logical solution would be to eliminate them. Uttering the words, "No More Mutants," the Scarlet Witch changed the face of the world in the blink of an eye. Thousands upon thousands of mutants were suddenly without their powers. Despite her blanket statement, a few hundred mutants were lucky enough to retain their abilities. Though many major characters were not affected, many such as Magneto, Xavier, Polaris and Chamber were suddenly mere humans.

Wanda's act was shocking because it marks the first time the Marvel Universe has been, at least for now, permanently and drastically rewritten. While events like Heroes Reborn and the Age of Apocalypse have altered reality, it was clear those changes were meant to be temporary. The Scarlet Witch has redefined the core Marvel Universe, including major characters like Professor X and Magneto. A moment like this cannot be underestimated in its importance.

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Colossal Bar Brawl Uncanny X-Men #183</B>
Words: Chris Claremont | Pencils: John Romita, Jr.
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifNot every great moment involves tragedy or triumph. Take this memorable stand-alone issue during Uncanny X-Men's golden period. Colossus has just broken young Kitty Pryde's heart, so Wolverine insists Piotr come out for a drink at the local pub. A bad coincidence has Cain Marko, the Juggernaut, out for a drink, minding his own business. One spilled bear later and Colossus and Juggs are beating each other senseless. Wolverine and Nightcrawler don't help as Colossus is served a hefty dose of humiliation. It's a lesson in what happens when you don't work with a team, one that is heard loud and clear by Colossus.

For years, Juggernaut has been seen as nothing more than an invincible brute who spends all his time causing trouble. But here, for one moment, he's actually shown in his civvies, just another guy trying to have a drink in peace. Sure, there's a big fight scene, but what sticks with us decades later, in the unique sense of camaraderie, rarely more evident in an X-Men book than in this Top 25 moment.
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Wolverine Kills Mariko Yashida Wolverine #57</B>
Words: Larry Hama | Pencils: Marc Silvestri
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifLogan's love life has long been filled with tragedy. The Wolverine miniseries, which redefined the Canuck as a wandering samurai seeking to redeem his honor, provided the first pangs of this doomed relationship. Wolverine loved Mariko, whose father was an evil man associated with The Hand. After killing Mariko's father, Wolverine asked to marry Mariko. But the marriage was not to be and Mariko asked Logan to leave in order to preserve her family honor.

Skip ahead a few years to this bittersweet reunion. The star-crossed lovers appeared like they might indeed live happily every after, but Reiko, a Yakuza assassin, foiled the goodbye kiss by poisoning Mariko. In horrific pain, Wolverine was forced to end her life, rather than allow her to suffer. The chilling "snikt" remains one of the most heart-wrenching moments in X-Men history.

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Xavier Befriends Magneto Uncanny X-Men #161</B>
Words: Chris Claremont | Pencils: Dave Cockrum
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifProfessor X and Magneto are sworn enemies. What makes their relationship more interesting than your typical comic-book rivalry is that the two are also great friends who respect one another. That relationship was established in Uncanny X-Men #161, a flashback issue that revealed the origins of Xavier and Magneto's friendship.

At a hospital for recovering Holocaust victims in Haifa, Israel, an ambulatory Charles Xavier discusses a potential evolution in man and the world's reaction to such a discovery. The early seeds of the philosophical battle between Professor X and Magneto are sown in a very frank discussion that precludes an encounter with HYDRA. The two essentially come out to one another and while Charles is foolish enough to believe he has discovered a new ally for the future, Magnus knows too well that their lives are taking separate paths.

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Colossus Lives Astonishing X-Men #4</B>
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifKitty Pryde turned her back to her assailants for a brief moment because something was lurking behind her. Rather than facing a new evil, she saw the love of her life, a man she knew to be dead, standing behind her. Shocked and speechless, Kitty stands motionless as Colossus charged his former jailers. As Colossus runs, Kitty phases and he passes right through her. At the end of the fight, Piotr "Peter" Rasputin kneels at Kitty's feet and holds her.

Characters come back from the dead all the time. Returns are so prevalent that it is a common joke amongst comics (http://comics.ign.com/articles/709/709256p1.html#) fans. When Joss Whedon and John Cassaday brought back Colossus, there was a big chance that this return would be simply that - a return. Fortunately the revival of Peter was one of the best in Marvel history. Simple yet powerful, writers should look to this moment as one of the benchmarks for character resurrections.

[FieryBalrog]

Colossus's return?? :down

maybe if it was actually used to do something with the character.

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Xavier Joins the Brood Uncanny X-Men #167</B>
Words: Chris Claremont | Pencils: Paul Smith
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifFollowing an outer space adventure involving the Starjammers, the Shi'ar Empire and the Brood, the X-Men return home knowing their battle is not complete. Before her death, the Brood Queen boasted about a final royal embryo that will threaten the Earth. Turns out there's only one viable option -- Charles Xavier. The X-Men burst into the mansion just in time to witness Xavier, sitting at the top of the stairs, hunch over and transform into a brood. It's one of Uncanny artist Paul Smith's best sequences.

The Shi'ar are able to clone Xavier and in his new body, he in physically capable of walking. But after decades of being confined to a wheelchair, Xavier's subconscious is unable to accept this truth, leaving him confined to his chair until he can overcome his own mental blocks. It may be commonplace to show Xavier as a villain, but when this issue came out, it was legitimately shocking.

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Angel Revealed as Death X-Factor #24</B>
Words: Louise Simonson | Pencils: Walt Simonson
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifDuring the Mutant Massacre, Warren Worthington's wings were pegged against a wall. The wings had to be amputated to save Warren's life. That may, however, have been his undoing. Facing financial ruin and a world where he's permanently grounded, Warren flew his plane into the side of a mountain, presumably committing suicide.

Angel was not dead. He had, in fact, made a deal with Apocalypse, who promised to give back his wings. His fellow friends in X-Factor met a brand new Warren Worthington in X-Factor #24, when he was revealed to be Death, the leader of Apocalypse's Horsemen. Not only was their friend now fighting for the enemy, he was almost unrecognizable. This new angel had blue skin, razor-sharp metal wings and an anger the team had never seen displayed before. It was a drastic and unexpected change, one that still resonates with Archangel today.

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Wolverine Saves Rogue with a Kiss Uncanny X-Men #173</B>
Words: Chris Claremont | Pencils: Paul Smith
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifRogue was not accepted when she first joined the X-Men. Not to long ago, it was Rogue who nearly killed a close friend of the X-Men, Ms. Marvel. None gave a chillier reception than Wolverine, who wanted nothing to do with the skunk-haired mutant. Combat can sometimes make for strange bedfellows. Following an attack from the Silver Samurai and Madame Viper, Wolverine needed back-up and Rogue was his only option.

When Viper attempted a last desperate act of revenge against Wolverine's love, Mariko Yashida, Rogue stepped in the way to take the fatal shot. Rogue would have died, but Wolverine spared her, touching her skin and allowing her to absorb his mutant healing factor. From that moment forward, Rogue was an accepted member of the X-Men. Wolverine's gesture is a defining moment for Rogue and created a friendship that would remain strong throughout the remainder of Chris Claremont's run.

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The Death of Illyana Uncanny X-Men #303</B>
Words: Scott Lobdell | Pencils: Richard Bennett
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifWith the Legacy Virus sweeping through the mutant population, it was only a matter of time before someone close to the X-Men was affected. Illyana Rasputin, sister of Colossus, was infected (http://comics.ign.com/articles/709/709256p2.html#) and the plague took her life. This devastated the X-Men, but it also drove Colossus to become disillusioned with Charles Xavier's dream and join Magneto prior to a critical battle. The quest for equality and peace had perhaps claimed its youngest victim.

While characters die frequently, the manner in which Illyana's death was treated made it even more memorable. Writer Scott Lobdell wanted the death resonate with readers, so he told the story through the eyes of Jubilee. While the choice might seem odd, Jubilee's relative youth and inexperience with death made her the perfect vehicle for the story. The emotional note was captured beautifully. We empathized with Jubilee, her sadness, and the loss of Illyana. X-Men comics often portray stories about bigotry and hatred well, but rarely feature a death in such a perfect manner and tone.

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Destruction of Genosha New X-Men #115</B>
Words: Grant Morrison | Pencils: Frank Quitely
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifKicking things off with a bang, New X-Men writer Grant Morrison eradicated an entire nation of mutants. Charles Xavier's wicked twin, Cassandra Nova, unleashed a pair of giant sentinels upon the world. In a flash, Genosha, one of the Marvel universe's mutant population centers, was destroyed. The attack killed 16 million mutants, and made the ruins a chaotic, desperate wasteland. At the time, it was also thought that Nova had managed to destroy Magneto, the X-Men's longtime archenemy.

Prior to its destruction, Genosha had embodied the struggle between humans and mutants. Charles Xavier and his students worked hard to achieve peace not only there, but around the world. The destruction of the nation was a symbolical evisceration of Xavier's dream. The X-Men have failed, but never on such a massive scale. They were not able to prevent the genocide, only watch as the population numbers dropped. This effect on the mutant population is only rivaled by House of M; even then most mutants did not die. Millions in Genosha died. Cassandra Nova had outsmarted the X-Men. Grant Morrison was just getting started.
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Kitty, Alone in the Dark Uncanny X-Men #143</B>
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifLeft alone in the mansion on the holidays, relative X-Men newcomer Kitty Pryde is feeling a bit down. Things get a whole lot worse, however, when a N'garai demon invades the mansion. Kitty, whose only power is the ability to become intangible, must battle this frightening alien (http://comics.ign.com/articles/709/709256p3.html#) alone. At this time in X-History, Kitty has little confidence in herself or her place with the X-Men. She wouldn't consider herself ready for a life or death fight like this. Yet, in the end, it's Kitty's resourcefulness that wins the day.

Great characters have defining moments and this is Kitty's. This is the moment where Kitty truly became an X-Man (http://comics.ign.com/articles/709/709256p3.html#) and also where she won over a majority of her fans. To Marvel's (http://comics.ign.com/articles/709/709256p3.html#) credit, they've never tried to develop Kitty by adding to her powers. She's remained a relatively low-level mutant. But acts like this are what make her one of the greatest X-Men of all time. http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gif
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Wolverine Escapes Weapon X Marvel Comics (http://comics.ign.com/articles/709/709256p3.html#) Presents #79</B>
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifWolverine's origins were partly revealed in Barry Windsor-Smith's "Weapon X" storyline. We learned the grizzly details of Wolverine's time at Weapon X, including when he earned his adamantium skeleton. There were many surprising moments in this story arc, but the one that stands out is the moment that the scientists realize Wolverine is no longer in their control.

After another series of tests, Logan is placed back in his room, supposedly docile. But as his handlers turn, his eyes open, his claws pop out and he murders with jailers. No one is safe. From this moment, Wolverine is his own man, though he acts as little more than animal, tearing his way towards freedom. Ironic that he would spend the next few decades trying to retrace his way back to those origins.

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Storm Takes Control of the Morlocks Uncanny X-Men #170</B>
Words: Chris Claremont | Pencils: Paul Smith
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifThe Morlocks had captured the X-Men. Callisto, leader of the underground mutant camp, intended to marry Angel. Kitty Pryde was slowly dying, inflicted by a disease caused by one of the Morlock members. When an attempt to escape failed, the only recourse for the team was to attempt a coup of the Morlock leadership. Storm overrides Nightcrawler's initial bid to challenge Callisto in a hand-to-hand duel to the death. Storm, still sick from the same disease killing Kitty, is clearly not the better fighter. Even worse, Ororo Monroe previously said she would never take another person's life. After being cut several times, Storm ensnared Callisto with her cape, and stabbed her enemy in the chest. Having won the fight, and control of the Morlocks, Storm freed her teammates.

Prior to this brutal fight, Storm had never been portrayed in this manner. It solidified her status as the leader of the X-Men in Cyclops' absence, and showed her to be a formidable fighter without her powers. The X-Men, both the team and the series, needed a strong secondary field commander. After her fight with Callisto, there was no question Storm was a perfect fit. The fight also showed Storm's strength as a person. She had vowed to never take a life, but was willing to cross that line to save Kitty and the lives of the other X-Men. Storm was willing to stand against seemingly unbeatable odds for her teammates.

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Humanity Has Hope X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills</B>
Words: Chris Claremont | Pencils: Brent Anderson
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifA metaphor for race relations, God Loves, Man Kills is considered one of Chris Claremont's best X-Men stories. Reverend William Stryker is a zealot who believes mutants are evil. When his son was born with an obvious mutation, Stryker went nuts. He murdered his newborn son and killed his wife for spawning such a creature. He goes so far as to kidnap Professor X in an insane plan to kill every mutant on Earth. He is stopped, not by the X-Men or Magneto's Brotherhood, but by his own security guard.

After attempting to kill Kitty Pryde, the security guard finally realizes that mutants are not a threat simply for being mutants. He shoots Stryker, putting an end to the madness (http://comics.ign.com/articles/709/709256p3.html#). So often it is up to the X-Men to prove that man and mutant can live in peace. In this rare instance, we see that humans can still overcome their own bigotry and accept the differences in others.

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Wolverine Faces Hellfire Uncanny X-Men #133</B>
Words: Chris Claremont | Pencils: John Byrne
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifWe all know that Wolverine's the best at what he does, but before this issue, no one knew Logan could be a true badass. Coming before the miniseries that would truly define his character, Wolverine's assault on the Hellfire Club gave notice that this was one Canadian you did not want to f--- with. At the end of UXM #132, the X-Men have been thoroughly thrashed, with Wolverine presumed dead. As we see in the final panel of the issue, Logan's alive and ready for payback.

The X-Men's lone hope, Wolverine tears through the HFC's guards, determined to put a claw on those responsible for turning Jean against the X-Men. Though, ultimately, he is swarmed and defeated at the end of the issue, Wolverine gave notice that he was going to be a major player in the X-Universe from then on.
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[usagicassidy]

Colossus's return?? :down

maybe if it was actually used to do something with the character.

I definitely agree with that one. I think that all three (not counting the Eric the Red thing) of the things they mentioned that didn't make it were all more defining than his return.

[Valechan]

We all know how this list is gonna end... :rolleyes:

[Cyclops]

Yes, yes, let the list fuel your rage! Let the opinions of someone you don't know anger you and irritate you, and let yourself lie about them not angering you, even though we all know that they do!! Everything is going according to plan...

Bwahahahahaha!!!

[Valechan]

That was scary... Anyway, the angrier I get, the stronger I get :p

[Kmack]

I bet anything Wolverine takes the #1 spot.

Im suprised to see Emma & Psylocke so low...
I'm outraged to see Psylocke so low!:mad:


She's my favorite:(

[Cyclops]

That was scary... Anyway, the angrier I get, the stronger I get :p

Which just isn't saying much. ;)

[FieryBalrog]

We all know how this list is gonna end... :rolleyes:

Storm changes her 'do? Ororo hooks up with T'Challa? :confused:

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Magneto Rips Apocalypse a New One X-Men Omega</B>
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifThe unthinkable had happened. Charles Xavier was dead; Magneto led a rag-tag group of X-Men, fighting the unbeatable Apocalypse. The massive event was incredibly bleak and no one thought it possible that Apocalypse could actually be beaten. The X-Men had a plan, however, and they struggled to see it executed to restore the world that Bishop claimed had existed. X-Men: Omega begins with a beaten Magneto being held by Holocaust in front of an arrogant Apocalypse. Though Apocalypse believes he has crushed the rebellion by capturing its leader, the X-Men secretly enter his base. Chaos breaks out as the X-Men attempt to overthrow the tyrant. Shadowcat, Colossus, Jean Grey, Havok and Cyclops all die in the ensuing battle. Meanwhile Apocalypse and Magneto engage in what is sure to be a final fight. Magneto is beaten again, seemingly worn out from his prior torture, however he manages to concentrate enough to pull off one final, desperate move. Unleashing massive amounts of energy and fueled by his hatred of En Sabah Nur, the Master of Magnetism shears the dictator in half.
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Aside from the "Holy S---!" moment of Apocalypse being torn in half, the mere fact that Magneto actually succeeded was absolutely incredible. Heroes were dying left and right, Magneto had previously been captured and tortured, and millions were being destroyed by a bombing that was growing closer. Apocalypse seemed unbeatable and insurmountable. Once Apocalypse had fallen and the bombs destroyed Magneto and his X-Men, things were clearer. Magneto gave his life so that there was a chance Charles Xavier might live. Readers would have never thought that possible prior to the Age of Apocalypse.

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Angel Crucified X-Factor #10</B>
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Mutants -- both good and bad -- could die. That was no surprise. Chris Claremont had been killing off heroes and villains for some time on Uncanny X-Men. But no one thought full-scale slaughter would ever hit the pages of Marvel Comics. That is until the "Mutant Massacre" one of the first X-Men crossovers. The Marauders, led by such lovely gents as Scalphunter and Sabretooth, decided to start killing Morlocks. It's a horrifying series of events that lead to one of the most shocking moments in X-Men history.

Though no longer an official X-Man, Angel still believes in Xavier's dream. Attempting to save a young mutant names Artie, Angel is captured by the Marauders. Harpoon crucifies Angel, an event traumatic enough to later force the amputation of Warren Worthington's wings. The Mutant Massacre was a signal to a new age of villainy in the X-Men universe and Angel's crucifixion was proof of the heightened level of mutant-on-mutant aggression.

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Jean and Scott get Married X-Men #30</B>
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http://media.ign.com/ign/image/pixy.gifScott Summers and Jean Grey had been an item for over two decades. Their relationship had survived death, rebirth and numerous assaults and trials. After what seemed like an eternity for fans, Cyclops and Marvel Girl were finally wed. The ceremonial issue was a classic, featuring small moments by all characters, including Wolverine, who had recently been devastated by Magneto (who, at the time of the wedding, lay in a coma). Unlike so many other weddings, this one went off without a problem, and Jean and Scott were married in front of their friends and family. Two of the most touching moments came when Jean Grey-Summers asked to dance with Xavier, lifting him into the air to celebrate with the man who took care of her for so many years. Finally, the issue ends with Scott Summers saying goodbye to his mentor and father-figure, thanking Xavier for giving him hope.

It seems like so many moments in X-Men history are marked by devastation and death, but this is a moment of absolute happiness. There are no villains to fight, no obstacles to overcome, just the sheer pleasure of seeing one of comics' most enduring (and troubled) couples finally get married. For longtime X-Men fans this was a watershed moment. For newer fans, this issue is unique in its unbridled bliss. The X-Men have always been both a family and a community, and no issue has captured those aspects better than this issue.

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Colossus Kills Proteus Uncanny X-Men #128</B>
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Proteus is one of those rare cases where a mutant may be better off dead than allowed to live free. That's the choice the X-Men were forced to make when Proteus, Moira McTaggert's son, escaped from his containment field. Proteus never had the chance at a normal life and grew up knowing only his prison walls. He was not a happy mutant and sought revenge on those who wronged him and humanity as a whole. His powers were so great that he was actually burning through his own body. His only hope of survival was to possess human hosts.

With reality-warping powers to go along with his ability to possess others, Proteus was the most potent mutant the X-Men had yet faced. It was because of his incredible and uncontrollable powers that the X-Men feared they would be forced to kill Proteus. And, in fact, that became their only choice. Colossus, in human form, managed to get close to Proteus. He then transformed into the one thing that could harm Proteus in his pure psionic form -- metal. With a powerful punch, Colossus destroyed Proteus, saving the world.

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Magneto Removes Wolverine's Adamantium X-Men #25</B>
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The fight began like any other. Magneto had hit the Earth with an E.M.P., causing vast amounts of damage and killing thousands. Charles Xavier assembled a team of X-Men and led them to Avalon, Magneto's orbiting city. The battle was fast - Gambit and Quicksilver were among the many injured. Magneto was not holding back this time, determined to see his vision through. Despite his inherent vulnerability to Magneto, Wolverine flung himself at the Master of Magnetism. Wolverine's claws find their mark, severely wounding his enemy. Magneto is not down for the count however, and lifts Wolverine up in the air. To the horror (http://comics.ign.com/articles/709/709256p4.html#) of the X-Men, Magneto proceeds to tear the adamantium metal from Wolverine's bones, virtually shredding him in the process. The fight does not end there, but Wolverine's life is changed drastically for some time to come.

This event was absolutely shocking for any number of reasons, but the biggest being that the fall of Wolverine was likely Magneto's biggest act. Prior to this, Magneto had always fought the X-Men in what could best be called "honorable battles." With this act, Magneto crossed a line that he had previously only bestowed upon humans. Wolverine, the most popular X-Man of all time, had just been destroyed by one of the greatest villains in Marvel history. Everyone knew that Wolverine was incredibly vulnerable to Magneto, but no one saw this coming. No matter what Magneto manages to do now, he will always be remembered for this moment.

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Who Will Lead the X-Men? Uncanny X-Men #201</B>
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Following the events of Uncanny X-Men #200, Professor Xavier has left Earth to be with his love, Lilandra, leaving a void in the X-Men. A field leader needed to be chosen. To Scott's surprise, his assumed place as leader of the X-Men is questioned by Storm. Though the X-Men are supposed to promote peaceful resolutions of conflicts, it's decided that combat will determine the new leader of the team.


It's clear to observers of the battle taking place in the Danger Room that Scott's head may be in the game, but his heart just doesn't seem in the fight. It has been a rough time for Scott, one of his darkest in all his days with the X-Men. That lack of focus would cost him. Showing an ingenuity we'd not yet seen from her, Storm managed to rip off Cyclops' visor, knowing he would be forced to stand down or risk killing her. Storm takes over as leader of the X-Men, leading them into a new era.
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Kitty Saves the Future Past Uncanny X-Men #142</B>
Words: Chris Claremont | Pencils: John Byrne
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Stories of alternate futures are nothing new to comic books. They've been around much longer than the Uncanny X-Men. "Days of Future Past" was different. This is the first time we see the true cost of the X-Men's cause. If they fail, the future will be one where mutants are hunted to near-extermination by the Sentinels. It hinges on an upcoming event, the assassination of Senator Robert Kelly, which pushes forward an agenda that leads to a future mutant holocaust. The only one who can save us is new X-Man, Kitty Pryde.

Kate Pryde of the future travels back in time to possess the Kitty of today. As the X-Men of modern times try and stop the Brotherhood of Mutants from killing Senator Kelly, the remaining X-Men of the future face a final and deadly conflict with the Sentinels. Ultimately, Kitty prevails, saving the Senator. The X-Men, however, will never be the same. The importance of their mission has been re-confirmed and from this moment forward, humanity appears as a far greater threat to mutantkind.

[Specter313]

Magneto Found Not Guilty Uncanny X-Men #200</B>
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The double-sized UXM #200 featured the trail of Magneto, in which the Master of Magnetism faced the judgment of a United Nations tribunal. His crimes were well-documented. His remorse was sincere. The verdict seemed all too certain. And yet, when the final decision was read, Magneto was found innocent.

The human/mutant conflict is reaching an explosive point, as demonstrated outside the courthouse, where the X-Men are forced to defend Magneto from both human and mutant dissidents. In clearing his name, Magneto is afforded the chance at redemption. Xavier goes so far as to leave the New Mutants in Magneto's charge. Not only has the X-Men's greatest foe been acquitted, he's now living among them in the X-Mansion!

[Specter313]

Xavier Gathers Uncanny X-Men Giant-Size X-Men #1</B>
Words: Len Wein | Pencils: Dave Cockrum

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Chris Claremont redefined the X-Men, but Len Wein kicked things off by assembling a brand new team of mutants. Prior to Giant-Size X-Men #1, the X-Men were dangerously close to cancellation. Sales were low enough that for a few dozen issues, X-Men was merely reprints. It is with a new attitude, a new direction and, yes, some new mutants, that the X-Men were spared an early demise.

With four of the five original X-Men trapped on the living island, Krakoa, Cyclops and Xavier are forced to recruit some new blood to stage a rescue. The original X-Men were nice kids, who more-or-less grew up in the mansion and were like high school chums with one another. The new blood had some real issues. Nightcrawler was hated for his appearance and wondered if God was testing him, Wolverine was more beast than man, and Storm had a Goddess complex. The new X-Men ushered in a new age for Marvel comics and changed the team forever.

[Specter313]

The Death of Jean Grey Uncanny X-Men #137</B>
Words: Chris Claremont | Pencils: John Byrne
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Unquestionably the most well-regarded, well-known and best-loved story in X-Men history, the Dark Phoenix Saga is one of the greatest comic-book tales of all time. Prior to the Dark Phoenix Saga, we witnessed part of the power of the Phoenix, a primordial force that had chosen Jean Grey as a host. It's possible that Jean could have learned to control and even harness the Phoenix Force, but the Hellfire Club had other ideas. Mastermind began messing with Jean Grey's head, slowly twisting her into a loyal member. But the HFC got far more than they bargained for, ultimately unleashing the Phoenix to threaten the safety of the entire universe.


The Phoenix was a destroyer of worlds, more powerful and more feared than Galactus. The Shi'ar knew that in order to keep the universe safe, Jean Grey had to die. Of course, the X-Men were not going to stand for such a thing. But the Phoenix was, in fact, too much for Jean Grey to control and she knew it. Jean sacrificed herself for the greater good.
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Uatu, the Watcher, perhaps the most annoying cosmic character in all of Marvel-dom, managed to summarize the events with rare poignancy. "Jean Grey could have lived to become a God. But it was more important that she die... a human."

[Harlekin]

Can't say I'm surprised (except by the choice of the Storm-Cyclops battle), especially not by that #1.

[Kraven]

Just a few questions that I didn't want to start a new thread over:
Are there any trades that collect the Dark Phoenix Saga? If not, then what issues does it take place in? (It obviously ended in UXM 137)
Is Jean currently alive or dead? I know she was resurrected sometime after her death, but she might have died again, or maybe I'm entirely wrong.
Is Prof. X still the head of the school and with the team?

Sorry, I know that was really random.

[FieryBalrog]

Just a few questions that I didn't want to start a new thread over:
Are there any trades that collect the Dark Phoenix Saga? If not, then what issues does it take place in? (It obviously ended in UXM 137)


Yea, theres trade called, um, the Dark Phoenix Saga, you can find it on Amazon probably.



Is Jean currently alive or dead? I know she was resurrected sometime after her death, but she might have died again, or maybe I'm entirely wrong.

She was resurrected in 1986.
She is currently dead, in her second major death, 3 years ago in NXM 150.




Is Prof. X still the head of the school and with the team?


nope.
:)

[americanguy96]

It's nice to see Jean's death as Number 1, and to me, rightfully so.

[Valechan]

"The best X-Man won" I love that quote :d especially since the whole Madelyne crap was retconned in Astonishing 14 :p

[Harlekin]

"The best X-Man won" I love that quote :d especially since the whole Madelyne crap was retconned in Astonishing 14 :p
Hate to rain on your parade Sebita, but it wasn't. All Emma says is that he lost the fight.

[FieryBalrog]

Hate to rain on your parade Sebita, but it wasn't. All Emma says is that he lost the fight.

don't worry, your puny logic is far too weak to penetrate Sebita's mental defenses. :p

[Valechan]

SCott could've argued it wasn't him in control, that it was Maddie, since he didn't, it means it didn't happen, means Ororo won fair and square, it means the X-Men see it like that. :p

[Harlekin]

SCott could've argued it wasn't him in control, that it was Maddie, since he didn't, it means it didn't happen, means Ororo won fair and square, it means the X-Men see it like that. :p
Scott could've argued a lot, and I'm not even certain it was ever revealed to him or the others that Maddie made him lose. Also, not mentioning something doesn't constitute a retcon. Really now, sebita, at least try and form a good argument about this.

[Valechan]

Didn't Maddie shout it in the middle of a fight for all to hear? If not, I bet Jean would've told him in bed, to reassure him.

Not mentioning is a retcon, it's like pretending it didn't happen. The biggest retcons involve not mentioning something.

[Harlekin]

Didn't Maddie shout it in the middle of a fight for all to hear? If not, I bet Jean would've told him in bed, to reassure him.
I'm pretty sure she didn't, and really, at least come up with something more than 'Jean must've told him'.

Not mentioning is a retcon, it's like pretending it didn't happen. The biggest retcons involve not mentioning something.
Uhhh... no. The biggest retcons involve rewriting an event. Just because certain aspects of a story aren't told, doesn't mean the rest of it is retconned out. That's just plain dumb. Also, Emma would be pretending it didn't happen if she didn't mention the fight at all. No, she mentions the fight to Cycke in order to push his buttons, and he responds stoically, as he does to all her accusations and allegations.

Besides, if a character only recollects how Hank beat on Ultron with the use of Antartic vibranium during the Ultron Unlimited story during Busiek's Avengers, does that mean that Justice's role in that arc (giving the vibranium to Hank) is suddenly null and void?

[Valechan]

It's not the same. By not mentioning Madelyne it means that the X-Men, as a group see that as a Storm victory. They see that Ororo kicked his ass, that Ororo is the better leader. And that is all that matters.

[Harlekin]

It's not the same. By not mentioning Madelyne it means that the X-Men, as a group see that as a Storm victory. They see that Ororo kicked his ass, that Ororo is the better leader. And that is all that matters.
So? That wasn't your point, sebita and you know it. You concluded that it must have been retconned. It wasn't. Of course, they saw that Ororo beat Scott, because that is what happened. The reasons why Ororo was able to beat Scott weren't retconned. Beyond that:

A) By not mentioning Madelyne it means that Emma Frost, as a person sees that as a Storm victory. I don't know about you, but I saw none of the other X-Men in that panel. Emma didn't speak for the group.
B) Winning that match didn't mean she was automatically the better leader. No, it meant that she was simply the leader. The other X-Men had no say, and you'll probably find differing opinions amongst the characters over who is the better leader.

[Dark Beast]

Wolverine thought aloud that Storm was the better one... while the others were more uncertain, as I remember.

At that time, Ororo WAS the better leader for the X-men. There were problems and conflicts that Scott couldn't have handled. It was a tough time... and Cyke had already to many problems on his mind: his marriage for example.
In those days, Storm was a powerless punk. A tough leader who could take the X-men underground. And they needed to do that: The morlocks got massacred, the Marauders killed every X-men related person they could find and nobody could really stop that.

Cyclops is a straight leader. The Hero. Always taking the straight path.
The Punk Storm became leader because there was no straight path to take...

[Harlekin]

Wolverine thought aloud that Storm was the better one... while the others were more uncertain, as I remember.
Like I said, most of the characters will have differing viewpoints on here. I see most of the 2nd generation following Storm, while the originals will probably follow Cycke sooner.

At that time, Ororo WAS the better leader for the X-men. There were problems and conflicts that Scott couldn't have handled. It was a tough time... and Cyke had already to many problems on his mind: his marriage for example.
In those days, Storm was a powerless punk. A tough leader who could take the X-men underground. And they needed to do that: The morlocks got massacred, the Marauders killed every X-men related person they could find and nobody could really stop that.

Cyclops is a straight leader. The Hero. Always taking the straight path.
The Punk Storm became leader because there was no straight path to take...
This I don't necessarily agree with. We never got to see what would've happened if Scott had won. I'll agree that for the time though, thanks to Scott's own problems, it probably was better that Storm take over, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have handled the problems as they came up.

[Manic]

What does Maddie have to do with Storm winning that fight? Sure, she might've wanted Scott to lose because him re-joining the X-Men would've meant spending less time with her (god, the tell-tale signs of Scott leaving her were there the whole time, weren't they?), but how exactly did she change the outcome of the fight?

[Harlekin]

It was a sign of her burgeoning Goblin Queen powers. I don't remember where that was stated.