Why this sudden Xavier hatred??

[Valechan]

I wonder, why do the writers suddenly decide to make Xavier the greatest SOB of X-Men history by retconning the past??? Why this need to debase his character and his history by making him commit such heinous crimes in the past??? I wonder why they have it in for Xavier now.

[HandOfFate]

I've been wondering that since Onslaught.:(

[roach]

I dunno and it is pissing me off about the X-men ever since.

[cerealkiller182]

I dunno, but i did like Genesis, so im not complaining. Xavier will be back. Its just a matter of time.

[masterj]

I think they want to make his character more like the Xavier of Ultimate X-men which would allow them to do more interesting character development but for 40 years he had been established as this cool, nice guy and now their screwing him up and turning him intt a grade A douche. I hope they stop cus the amount of retconning is getting tedious if not confusing.

[Valechan]

It is bloody convoluted to see so much retconning.

[Chamber_UK]

I'm liking it.

For years we've been told Xavier's not that innocent and Magnneto's not that evil. But how they been portrayed in the comics has been the complete oppossite.

While Magneto over the last couple of years has been gradually showen as being a bit more compassionate and idealistic, the writers are now moving onto Xavier. We know that he's done stuff in his past that is questionable, we are now being made aware of just exactly what that is and reacting to it the same way as the x-men are.

They feel betrayed and i think their response is realistic and justified, plus it is another aspect contributing the character development of Xavier as a whole, something that has long been overdue.

[Valechan]

I like character development for Xavier, but is there turly need for so many retcons??? That is what I don't appreciate

[Harlekin]

...because he's a jerk.

[Wolverazio]

...because he's a jerk.

Yeah, let's be fair, Kitty knew this all along.

[Sun_Down]

It's not like this idea of Xavier being a "total and utter bastard" just popped up outta nowhere, it's been hinted at for the better part of a decade. Personally I'm glad that they're fleshing this story out. At the very least, it makes Xavier more interesting, the idea of him using their powers to manipulate those around him is pretty cool IMO.

[Valechan]

It's not been around for a decade. In Onslaught he was clearly manipulated by Onslaught, it wasn't him doing the harsh talks with Sam and Scott and all that. The thing is this sudden bout of retcons, making him an SOB in the past and the X-Men finding out about it now. That's what doesn't sit well with me

[Wolverazio]

It's not been around for a decade. In Onslaught he was clearly manipulated by Onslaught, it wasn't him doing the harsh talks with Sam and Scott and all that. The thing is this sudden bout of retcons, making him an SOB in the past and the X-Men finding out about it now. That's what doesn't sit well with me

No, he WAS Onslaught.

That whole "Magneto's mind tainted Xavier" bit is BS. Even now, officially, Magneto's mind only reinforced and brought to the surface all those dark thoughts Xavier always had.

It was kind of like Xavier got really drunk and finally did what he always wanted to, use his power to "fix" the world. But he got wasted and fought his best friends (mutants).

And again, I think this is more realistic and truthful than Xavier as a telepath who never uses his powers improperly.

C'mon...he's got a whole Jesus syndrome working too...he's just better at hiding it than Magneto.

[E. Bison]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega5.gifOkay, I don't understand. What things has Xavier been said to have done now to be hated and rejected by his own X-Men and other people? I know about the Onslaught saga and how he didn't tell the X-Men that the Danger Room was alive and out to kill them. I also heard that he may have had sexual feelings towards Jean when she was young. Is this true? What else has he done to deserve this animosity towards him?

[Optic Rage]

there hasnt been a bunch of retcons.

are you talking about Dg?....perhaps one of the only good retcons marvel have ever done.

[Sun_Down]

It's not been around for a decade. In Onslaught he was clearly manipulated by Onslaught, it wasn't him doing the harsh talks with Sam and Scott and all that. The thing is this sudden bout of retcons, making him an SOB in the past and the X-Men finding out about it now. That's what doesn't sit well with me

I'm not talking about Onslaught, I'm talking about the fact that the skeletons in his closest have been creeping out into the light for years. Just the other day I was reading Uncanny #309 (1994) and the entire issue was basically Xavier being confronted by a mental projection of Magneto who was exposing all these dark little secrets about Charles' life, including him manipulating a jilted lover into staying with him.

[rnewbz]

can anyone inform me what was it Xaviar actually did in the whole deadly genesis thing or whatever that showed a different side of him?

[Wolverazio]

can anyone inform me what was it Xaviar actually did in the whole deadly genesis thing or whatever that showed a different side of him?

He organized a second team (before all new all different X-Men) to rescue the X-Men captured on Krakoa and got them killed (b/c though he made them think they had months of training, they still weren't strong enough).

Then, he fecked with Cyclops (and maybe Moira's later) mind so that he never new it happened. Send the new team there and tricked them into thinking Krakoa was a living island so that his dark little secret would never be known.

[FieryBalrog]

I agree with Sebita. The amount of retconning to make Xavier look like a bastard is ridiculous. I mean DG is one whopping great retcon.

[FieryBalrog]

It's not like this idea of Xavier being a "total and utter bastard" just popped up outta nowhere, it's been hinted at for the better part of a decade. Personally I'm glad that they're fleshing this story out. At the very least, it makes Xavier more interesting, the idea of him using their powers to manipulate those around him is pretty cool IMO.

Then why did they have to stick a great big retcon in X-men history to do it? We already had the Ultimate universe Xavier be a manipulative dude.

In 616 it means that the X-men really should have Xavier around anymore, at all, since they cant ever be sure he isn't manipulating them. How can Xavier come back? (Believably, of course. Not dumb nonsense like how Mystique joined the team)

[Gilpesh]

Well it kind of draws upon this whole thing where his power is to mess with people's minds but yet for so long he is made out to be this super great person who would never use his powers for unhanded purposes. Also as others have said it removes his whole 'holier than thou' image and makes him human.

[Abaddon]

It wouldve been more interesting if they actually moved forward in time and had Xavier do questionable things because he was losing faith in his dream.You don't need to go back and write in stories that were never supposed to happen.Xavier was never a saint,but he certaintly wasnt a conniving bastard.

[Valechan]

Onslaught was a separate entity, a being comprised of Xavier and Magneto, sort of like their child. Wolverazio... read Wolverine 104-105

We agree on something FieryBalrog??? Has the world gone mad???

Totally with you Abbadon!!!!

[Cyclops]

We are in a day and age where authority figures are to be mistrusted and we assume that they're hiding some deep, dark secret or are just plain wrong in their leadership role. I guarantee you, that once we get a democrat into the White House, the liberal media, including comicbook writers, will be much more lenient to authority figures, including Xavier.

[Valechan]

You scare me Summers...

[Abaddon]

Hm,never looked at it that way...

[E. Bison]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/dialog-vega4.gifCould somebody please list me all the things Xavier is hated on for?

[Cyclops]

Think of it like this.

SHIELD has never once been an "evil" organization like they've been portrayed in New Avengers or in Secret War. Before Dubya, Nick Fury would NEVER have conned superheroes into an assassination mission and then brainwash them of what they'd done. Nor would they have opted to nuke a group of people rather than let the Avengers figure out what they were doing.

Before Dubya, the Ultimate X-Men were going to be a presidential task force who took care of the missions conventional military couldn't (remember the initial preview shown in Wizard with Mystique on the team). 2000 came along and with Dubya's victory came a new outlook on the Ult. X-Men. Coincidence?

I honestly think that the way authority figures are viewed these days has affected the portrayal of Xavier, who personifies WASPs, even though in ideology he is supposed to be MLK Jr. or Ghandi.

Maybe I'm looking too far into it, maybe I'm not. I don't know. But I don't think that Xavier would have been sullied up like this if a more liberal-friendly regime was in the White House.

[Abaddon]

-Recruiting Sage(retconned as the first x-woman) as a spy.
-Sending a new team of inexperienced X-men(including Cyclops' brother) to rescue their predecessors.And then erasing all memory of them when they failed the mission.
-Not telling the X-Men that the Danger Room was a sentient being.
-Running over kittens,etc.

[grey_jeanie]

Why is he being hated? Probably because he is the one who comes back to live when it's other dead characters (no names) who people want back, not Xavier.

[Abaddon]

Xavier's died maybe twice by my count.

[E. Bison]

-Running over kittens,etc.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Bane_Lily/Vega_10.gifHilarious!! I laughed at that one. But guys, wasn't it said that he had sexual feelings for Jean once or something. Ok, so let me get this straight:
Recruited Sage
Kept secret of sentient Danger Room
Onslaught
Sent premature group to Krakoa
What else has he done?

[Cyclops]

Why is he being hated? Probably because he is the one who comes back to live when it's other dead characters (no names) who people want back, not Xavier.

Do you even have an iota of a clue of what you're talking about? :confused: 'Cause I sure don't.

[Harlekin]

Recruited Sage
Kept secret of sentient Danger Room
Onslaught
Sent premature group to Krakoa
What else has he done?
A partial list:
- Tried to kill his twin sister in the womb.
- Tried to manipulate Amelia Voght in staying with him.
- Recruited Sage.
- Planted a mental suggestion in Storm when they first met, so that she would follow his lead if he so desired at a later point.
- Kept secret the sentient Danger Room.
- Became a member of the Marvel Illuminati (y'know with Doc Strange and all, but this doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy, but there's plenty of potential to do so).
- Sent a second squad to Krakoa, which got killed.
- Did not reveal their existence, nor that Scott's brother (Vulcan) was on the team.
- Mindwiped Magneto, which lead to Onslaught.
- Disbanded the team in an attempt to root out a Skrull traitor.

[FieryBalrog]

We are in a day and age where authority figures are to be mistrusted and we assume that they're hiding some deep, dark secret or are just plain wrong in their leadership role. I guarantee you, that once we get a democrat into the White House, the liberal media, including comicbook writers, will be much more lenient to authority figures, including Xavier.

I agree.

Authority figures are to be mistrusted, unless they're sporting a "progressive" agenda.

[MilkmanDan]

http://drsordid.blogspot.com/2006/02/professor-xavier-is-jerk.html

[roach]

Think of it like this.

SHIELD has never once been an "evil" organization like they've been portrayed in New Avengers or in Secret War. Before Dubya, Nick Fury would NEVER have conned superheroes into an assassination mission and then brainwash them of what they'd done. Nor would they have opted to nuke a group of people rather than let the Avengers figure out what they were doing.

Before Dubya, the Ultimate X-Men were going to be a presidential task force who took care of the missions conventional military couldn't (remember the initial preview shown in Wizard with Mystique on the team). 2000 came along and with Dubya's victory came a new outlook on the Ult. X-Men. Coincidence?

I honestly think that the way authority figures are viewed these days has affected the portrayal of Xavier, who personifies WASPs, even though in ideology he is supposed to be MLK Jr. or Ghandi.

Maybe I'm looking too far into it, maybe I'm not. I don't know. But I don't think that Xavier would have been sullied up like this if a more liberal-friendly regime was in the White House.

or that SHIELD an international spy organization would enforce USA laws....
anyhow that makes lots of sense

[Almighty Pejo]

The funniest part of this thread is sebita saying he doesn't like retcons. His entire fandom is based upon retcons.

[Wolverazio]

Onslaught was a separate entity, a being comprised of Xavier and Magneto, sort of like their child. Wolverazio... read Wolverine 104-105

Yeah, I read it and it's BS and no it's not. Onslaught is Xavier. While he grew to be a separate entity, he was still first and foremost Xavier.

Trust me, Pejo and I went through this about a year or two ago and we were bouncing all over the place.

[danielisthor]

Yeah, let's be fair, Kitty knew this all along.


That is why Kitty is the greatest X-Men of all time. She knew this when she was 13. It took most of the other x-Men 10years to figure it out.

[Manic]

Let's be real, shall we? Even before the retcons, Xavier was a man who decided it would be best to recruit a team of teenagers to risk their lives for a world that hates them. Iceman wasn't even 18 at the time. I don't think Jean & Scott were, either.

After promoting his peaceful agenda and teaching his X-Men pacifism, he then hired... an assassin?

[Sun_Down]

They've been hinting at Xavier's dark side for years, our current president has nothing to do with it. And I really don't see how the events revealed in Deadly Genesis really qualify as a retcon. It's not like they're just changing history because it's convenient, they're simply showing us that things didn't occur quite the way wer believed them to have occurred.

[Manic]

It's not like they're just changing history because it's convenient, they're simply showing us that things didn't occur quite the way wer believed them to have occurred.
Yes, via retcon. It is a retcon to say that Cyclops' reason for escaping Krakoa was different than what we had earlier been led to believe.

[Abaddon]

They've been hinting at Xavier's dark side for years, our current president has nothing to do with it. And I really don't see how the events revealed in Deadly Genesis really qualify as a retcon. It's not like they're just changing history because it's convenient, they're simply showing us that things didn't occur quite the way wer believed them to have occurred.


I don't understand how you think it's not changing history.:confused:

[Manic]

I think we all need a quick refresher...

Retcon: Retro-Active Continuity. A retcon isn't necessarily the changing of history, as it is the adding to history. For example, Jessica Jones' origins are a retcon, even though they don't necessarily contradict any previously written Marvel history.

If I were to write a comic in which I stated that Cyclops gets his hair cut by Archangel, that would be a retcon. I would have added to established history. Likewise, if I were to say Cyclops' beams don't work when it's below 10 degrees C, that would be a retcon as well, even though I just blatantly changed history.

[FieryBalrog]

I think we all need a quick refresher...

Retcon: Retro-Active Continuity. A retcon isn't necessarily the changing of history, as it is the adding to history. For example, Jessica Jones' origins are a retcon, even though they don't necessarily contradict any previously written Marvel history.

If I were to write a comic in which I stated that Cyclops gets his hair cut by Archangel, that would be a retcon. I would have added to established history. Likewise, if I were to say Cyclops' beams don't work when it's below 10 degrees C, that would be a retcon as well, even though I just blatantly changed history.

Adding to history IS changing it. Especially in this case, where we already HAD an existing history. This retcon drastically changed it.

Similarly, Tessa as Xavier's spy is a retcon. It "adds" to history, in a way that changes it drastically and makes a lot of stories a bit nonsensical.

[Manic]

Adding to history IS changing it. Especially in this case, where we already HAD an existing history. This retcon drastically changed it.

Similarly, Tessa as Xavier's spy is a retcon. It "adds" to history, in a way that changes it drastically and makes a lot of stories a bit nonsensical.
All changes to history are added, but not all adds to history are changes. Sometimes things can be added without changing anything around it.

[storyteller]

Dude after civil war its like time to get the band back together and lose all the x-men in training. I wanna see a cover with all the good team members on the cover.

[Valechan]

http://drsordid.blogspot.com/2006/02/professor-xavier-is-jerk.html That was hilarious.

I don't mind retcons as long as they make sense (for example, AStonishing 14's retcon of how Summers sees the world, in terms of red, not yellow like a certain writer said), what I don't like is that they're doing a lot of retcons at the same time to make Xavier look like an SOB. The occassional retcon about Xavier's past is nice, it even tells more story, but to be attacked by a series of continuing retcons all at the same time is overwhelming to say the least.

[Manic]

http://drsordid.blogspot.com/2006/02/professor-xavier-is-jerk.html That was hilarious.
Used his psychic powers to put the whammy on any woman not taken in by his "charm"
"NO! I gotsta get laid!"

[synnerman]

I wouldn't put trying to kill Cassandra Nova on his "list of sins." She's not his sister, she's a fricking alien bodysnatching monster that sampled his DNA to make a body.

She's a Mummudrai, a nightmare opposite. A female with XY chromosomes. Remember beast was more freaked becuse she was a match for the Professor and women are XX not XY.

[Abaddon]

Does that mean Cassandra has male genitalia?:eek:

[Manic]

Does that mean Cassandra has male genitalia?:eek:
Wouldn't be surprised.

[Valechan]

"To a dark place this line of thought lead us it will"

[FieryBalrog]

All changes to history are added, but not all adds to history are changes. Sometimes things can be added without changing anything around it.

usually if there isnt any existing backstory at all or if its a minor insert. In this case its neither, and it does change things around it, including Xavier lying/concealing it from everyone for years afterwards.

[MaskedManJRK]

Well, from the sounds of things, with Brubaker's first arc for Uncanny X-Men, it's going to focus on Prof. X and his 'redemption.' So, those b***hing about him being a dick, rejoice, for he won't be very soon...for a while, at least.