Batman or Punisher?

[redspexxx]

who could win in a fight, batman or punisher?

[TheFalcon]

Batman of course (what answer did you expect on this board?)

Batman beat Punisher so easily in JLA/Avengers that it they had it happen off-page.

[Mee]

Batman could beat Punisher with a limp and one hand tied behind his back.

[Silver Sable]

Batman

[Iceman]

Batman could beat Punisher with a limp and one hand tied behind his back.

and asleep

[The Question]

I don't see why everything is so one sided against Frank. He's one badass dude. Smart, too. He was a former special forces marine in one of the toughest and bloodyest wars in the last century. He is a seriously hardened fighter. Would give Bruce a good scuffle.

[warren_sparta27]

batman

[Flame on!]

Batman could beat Punisher with a limp and one hand tied behind his back.
Sure, if credibilty wasn't a factor. The ones of us who appreciate good writing and stories would know that Batman would win, but it'd be closer perhaps more brutal than one might think.

[El Payaso]

Batman

[The Question]

Sure, if credibilty wasn't a factor. The ones of us who appreciate good writing and stories would know that Batman would win, but it'd be closer perhaps more brutal than one might think.


Exactly. Frank isn't some idiot. Tactically, he's agenius. And he's a very skilled, experianced, and brutal fighter.

[Mee]

Exactly. Frank isn't some idiot. Tactically, he's agenius. And he's a very skilled, experianced, and brutal fighter.
But no match for prep time.:batman:





:D

[batmaluco]

Bat-preptime-man rules!

[Symbiotic Venom]

It would be close but batman would win.

[Spider-Girl]

Na, Spider-Man would definitley win!

[jusblaze21]

The Batman, but it would be a good fight

[Tin_Man]

I don't see why everything is so one sided against Frank. He's one badass dude. Smart, too. He was a former special forces marine in one of the toughest and bloodyest wars in the last century. He is a seriously hardened fighter. Would give Bruce a good scuffle.


Didnt we go through this before? :p


Frank's not as good as a fighter as Batman, but he's no pushover; he'd give Batman a good fight. He'd lose, but he wouldnt go down easy.

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Batman.

[Qoèlet]

Given that they're fictional... whoever the writers decide wins. If it were up to my assessment, Frank would quickly be receiving a pistol whipping from his own gun before Batman drops him off at Arkham... while limping, one handed, and blindfolded, right?

[The Question]

Really, I don't see why everything's going in Bruce's favor. Way I see it, it would be a very close fight. I mean, look at their skill stas:


Tactical planning:

Bruce is, of course, a master tactitian. He's the tactical advisor to the League for Pete's sake.

Frank was a soldier (And I believe feild leader) in Vietnam. Mastered guerilla warfare tactics, leading soldiers in incredibly stressful and life threatening istuations. Definately an acomplished tactitian in his own right.

Fighting skills:

Bruce spent a few of his teenage years honing his hand to hand combat skills. The guy's one of the best.

Frank was a special forces marine. Obviously, he was a great fighter to start. And he was in Vietnam. Very stressful and dangerous environment. His life was constantly in danger. Very quickly, he became a highly skilled fighter.

Weapons skills:

Bruce has mastered midified versions of many eastern weapons, plus some more modern stuff. All basically non lethal deterants. Relies primairly on his fists. Although, he's also shown to be quite skilled with a sword.

Frank has used dozens of different kinds of guns, knives, and explosives. I think he trumps Bruce in the weapons department.



They sound pretty even to me.

[Mee]

You go by the O'Neil Batman, Punisher vs. him would be close. But characters evolve, Bats is different now. I don't think it would be that close.

[The Question]

You go by the O'Neil Batman, Punisher vs. him would be close.

But of course.

But characters evolve, Bats is different now. I don't think it would be that close.

Now, I wouldn't call it "evolution" as much as "the writers deciding to slap on about 200 new skills and raise his I.Q. to about 10,000 because it looks really really cool," but I see what you mean. Batman, as he is often written these days, would wipe the floor with Frank. Hell, he'd probably wipe the floor with Thor.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Bow before Bat-God!!

I'm a Punisher fan......but I do think Bats beat him in 2 panels or less in the JLA/AVGENERS crossover.

[The Question]

Which I thought was kind of bull****. Writers these days basically write Batman a s a superhuman. Doesn't sit right with me.

[Mee]

I agree, sometimes they do go too far, but it's better than Bats swinging down the Bat poles with a pantless teenager.

[trustyside-kick]

Bats would win. :)

[The Question]

I agree, sometimes they do go too far, but it's better than Bats swinging down the Bat poles with a pantless teenager.


But what would be better than both is Batman simply being a human vigilante who occasionaly advises the Justice League on tactical matters.

[trustyside-kick]

One of the few things that bothered me about writers with Batman was in the Batman/Superman series. I am talking about the issue where they all go to get back Supergirl and Batman has somewhat of a fight against Darksied...I guess he had that suit thing or something but that was dumb that Bats seemed to last longer than he should have.

I understand where you are coming from The Question for the most part...but Batman is more than just some human vigilante too.

[The Question]

I understand where you are coming from The Question for the most part...but Batman is more than just some human vigilante too.


The Punisher should still be able to give him a good fight.

[trustyside-kick]

The Punisher should still be able to give him a good fight.

O ya duh. :eek:

When I voted saying Bats would win I never said anything about it being an easy fight. :P

Kind of like in that DC Comic Character Tournament thread in the DC Comics section. They recently had a round between Nightwing and Ra's Al Ghul and almost everyone after they voted for were saying it would be super close and not an easy defeat but "so and so" would win.

Same goes for this. Maybe when they have Batman and other heroes in the JLA that are not powerful like Superman fight they should show more of their battles. It seems that they "easily" defeat someone because they do not show enough of the fight.

If you had a fight scene with Batman and Punisher duking it out and eventually one becomes victorious then that would be great. I mean, not like you would have to use most of the comic anyway for that; a few pages/panels here and there. Not like it would be a problem since a lot of times when Superman fights it is all about him in the comic all of the sudden when it is not a Superman comic. :P

I hate doing long posts...at the end I feel I went off on something else then I intended...hope for this post it is not the case lol.

[The Question]

I guess I agree. I still think the fight could go either way. The only real edge Batman has over the Punisher is that Frank is in his late fifties, and thus a bit past his prime (even though he's still in excelent shape). However, Bruce, who's nearing 40, isn't too far behind, so it's not like he's in his physical prime anymore either.

[darwinwins]

frank would dismiss batman on first encounter as another mask wearing hippie. batman would be annoyed with another gun-toting vigilante and cream him. on second encounter, frank would be annoyed that he got pistol-whipped by another mask wearing hippie. batman would be annoyed he shows up again and sends him to arkham. just like everyone else who enters arkham, frank is either released or escapes. batman would be annoyed again and beats the living tar out of frank again and the cycle continues.

[Tin_Man]

One of the few things that bothered me about writers with Batman was in the Batman/Superman series. I am talking about the issue where they all go to get back Supergirl and Batman has somewhat of a fight against Darksied...I guess he had that suit thing or something but that was dumb that Bats seemed to last longer than he should have.



Batman didnt last more than a few seconds. The smacks he gave to Darkseid were more of an attention grabber than actual attacks; "Hey, Darkseid. Pay attention." Once Darkseid raised a fist, Batman was done.

[The Question]

frank would dismiss batman on first encounter as another mask wearing hippie. batman would be annoyed with another gun-toting vigilante and cream him. on second encounter, frank would be annoyed that he got pistol-whipped by another mask wearing hippie. batman would be annoyed he shows up again and sends him to arkham. just like everyone else who enters arkham, frank is either released or escapes. batman would be annoyed again and beats the living tar out of frank again and the cycle continues.



Why? Frank's not a bad fighter or a bad tactitian. In fact, he's an amazing fighter and a brilliant tactitian. Former special forces marine in one of the bloodyest wars in our history. He's definately a hardened fighter.

[Qoèlet]

Batman didnt last more than a few seconds. The smacks he gave to Darkseid were more of an attention grabber than actual attacks; "Hey, Darkseid. Pay attention." Once Darkseid raised a fist, Batman was done.
Yeah, people make it out to be this big thing, but Darkseid was essentially just slapping Bats around to satisfy himself because he was annoyed.

[darwinwins]

Why? Frank's not a bad fighter or a bad tactitian. In fact, he's an amazing fighter and a brilliant tactitian. Former special forces marine in one of the bloodyest wars in our history. He's definately a hardened fighter.
how many countless nutjobs has batman come across who were once upon a time special forces who were veterans of some silly war?

[The Question]

None, as far as I can recall. And calling Vietnam "some silly war" is an enourmous understatement.

[darwinwins]

i'm not going to debate foreign policy with some 12 year old if that's what you're after.

[The Question]

When was this about foreign polocy? And why do you assume that I'm twelve? Calling Vietnam "some silly war" is a huge understatement. It was an incredibly nasty and brutal war that left alot of people psychologically scarred.

[Tin_Man]

Yeah, people make it out to be this big thing, but Darkseid was essentially just slapping Bats around to satisfy himself because he was annoyed.


What impressed me with the "fight" between the two was the balls that Batman had to even take a swing. He knew, physically, he was outmatched. What impressed me even more was how he defeated Darkseid; he outwitted him. Sure, Batman got the tar beaten out of him, but he held the better hand: "stop now, or I'll blow your world to hell."

[LongDong]

Batman whoops his ass!!!