Did anyone here...

[Chris Wallace]

hate the black costume? I mean, just really not like that look for Spidey at all?:spidey:

[The Joker]

You really make too many threads :o

And no I never hated it.

[SpideyLad]

I love it

[Electro UK]

You really make too many threads :o

And no I never hated it.

Never hated it.

And its true CW, you make HUNDREDS of threads, the hype stopped counting them after you'd made 500...

[Chris Wallace]

So?

[Electro UK]

So?

Well if I made a thread every time I asked a question the boards'd be clogged up mate. :p

[Chris Wallace]

If I can fit a question into an existing thread I do, but not if it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand; kinda like this is.

[Doc Destruction]

You could have stuck it in the Iron Spider thread or the other hundred costume threads.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Black costume rules!

Iron Spidey drools.

[roach]

I love the black costume as much as I love the red and black costume...and that is slightly more than an obese child loves bakery goods

[shinlyle]

Uh...the black costume OWNS. Period.

[Themanofbat]

I was buying Spidey comics when the Black costume was introduced, and while I didn't hate it, I didn't think it was the right look for Spidey and was glad that he went back to his red'n blues about 6 issues later.

Though when he wore the black suit that the Black Cat made for him, it was a rough 3 years that followed... because Spidey is iconic enough that you should never change his looks, same as Superman, Batman & Wonder Woman. There can be temporary costumes for the sake of a story, but never anything permanent.

Amazing Spider-Man #301 had a sweet, sweet long-awaited cover... in my opinion.

:)

[shinlyle]

Yeah....When I think "Spidey", I think "Red & Blue". The Black suit still owns, though.

[Mara Jane]

I agree that I don't think it's the right 'look' for Spidey, but the black costume represents something more than what it is: it represents the golden age of Spider-Man, IMO. The stories written in that time are what I consider to be his best.

[Chris Wallace]

Those Were Some Good Stories, I'll Give You That. And No Other Period Has Had As Many Consistently Good Spidey Stories Since.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Ash says:

"Next person who says 'iconic' gets a big helpin' of BOOMSTICK!"
http://www.frazadelic.com/boomstick.jpg

[Themanofbat]

Those Were Some Good Stories, I'll Give You That. And No Other Period Has Had As Many Consistently Good Spidey Stories Since.

It's funny... the pre-black costume era was the Roger Stern run, arguably the third best run in ASM history (behind Stan's & Marv Wolfman's), yet the Tom Defalco era, which was basically the black costume time, was pretty decent. I wouldn't say "great", but really decent.

I will admit that Spidey's writers haven't been all that good in nearly 20 years. :(

[Chris Wallace]

What Are Some Of The Highlights From Stern's Run?

[Themanofbat]

What Are Some Of The Highlights From Stern's Run?

My god... the creation of the HobGoblin, the epic battle between Spidey & the Juggernaut, the kid who collected Spider-Man, the long-awaited return of Mary Jane (she was absent from the book for about 5 years prior to his writing her back in... she took off after Peter proposed to her the first time), some great insights on the origin of the Vulture, a great story involving the original Tarantula, Will'O the Wisp & that evil corporation, Brand, another one with Cobra & Mr.Hyde...

It's all good! :up:

:)

[roach]

Ash says:

"Next person who says 'iconic' gets a big helpin' of BOOMSTICK!"
http://www.frazadelic.com/boomstick.jpg


I love Army of Darkness...it's so Iconic

[CConn]

I could definitely see someone saying the black suit doesn't fit with Spider-Man, but still, it's an awesome design.

[Chris Wallace]

My god... the creation of the HobGoblin, the epic battle between Spidey & the Juggernaut, the kid who collected Spider-Man, the long-awaited return of Mary Jane (she was absent from the book for about 5 years prior to his writing her back in... she took off after Peter proposed to her the first time), some great insights on the origin of the Vulture, a great story involving the original Tarantula, Will'O the Wisp & that evil company, Roxxon, another one with Cobra & Mr.Hyde...

It's all good! :up:

:)
Oh, boy. You're right. Those are all gems. Now the Cobra & Hyde-is that the one where Hyde was p.o.'d at Cobra & spent half the book w/his hand webbed to Cobra?

[Themanofbat]

Oh, boy. You're right. Those are all gems. Now the Cobra & Hyde-is that the one where Hyde was p.o.'d at Cobra & spent half the book w/his hand webbed to Cobra?

Yeah... Spidey tosses Cobra to Hyde, and Hyde's hand is gooped up with webbing attached to Cobra's head. :D :up:

:)

[Chris Wallace]

Now see, here I'm forced to agree with you. That was some great storytelling, & while there's been good stuff here & there, nothing has been that good in a while.
Who wrote the return of the burglar?

[Donald Thomas]

Black costume rules!

Iron Spidey drools.


Aloha,
Gee that sounds familiar.:) And I completely agree
Spidey rules

[WOLVERINE25TH]

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1790/ash5vq.jpg

That's one roach squashed...

[JOELLY]

Black costume rules!

Iron Spidey drools.
:up: :spidey: what he said

[Dragon]

Weird coincidence, because around the time of the release of the black suit, i was planning to send Marvel some sample pages (I was interested in being a comic artist back then), and I came up with the brainflash of giving Spidey a new costume- a black one with a large white spider- only similar to the Tarantula's and just a costume- no alien life form. So I was pretty stunned to here that they were giving spidey a new suit and was even more shocked to see the cover.

But- about the suit itself. I thought it looked cool, but not revolutionary. And I was happy when the original red & blues returned.

[Donald Thomas]

My god... the creation of the HobGoblin, the epic battle between Spidey & the Juggernaut, the kid who collected Spider-Man, the long-awaited return of Mary Jane (she was absent from the book for about 5 years prior to his writing her back in... she took off after Peter proposed to her the first time), some great insights on the origin of the Vulture, a great story involving the original Tarantula, Will'O the Wisp & that evil corporation, Brand, another one with Cobra & Mr.Hyde...

It's all good! :up:

:)


Aloha,
Currently many of the original Hobgoblin and Black Costume stories are up in the library this month.
Spidey rules

[roach]

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1790/ash5vq.jpg

That's one roach squashed...


missed me...i ran under the refrigerator

[Citizen_Kaine]

missed me...i ran under the refrigerator

Ash: LONDON BRIDGE IS FALLING DOWN...FALLING DOWN FALLING, DOWN. *Attempts to step on roach, gets stabbed by fork*

Roach(s): My fair lady!

:up:

[Citizen_Kaine]

And yes to answer your question Chris the black costume was sweet, however I prefer the red and blues (Moreso the Reilly tweaked ones)

[WOLVERINE25TH]

We're so gonna hijack this into an Army of Darkness thread, aren't we?

[Kraven]

Now see, here I'm forced to agree with you. That was some great storytelling, & while there's been good stuff here & there, nothing has been that good in a while.
Who wrote the return of the burglar?
If you're referring to issue #200 then that would be Marv Wolfman.

[Themanofbat]

Now see, here I'm forced to agree with you. That was some great storytelling, & while there's been good stuff here & there, nothing has been that good in a while.
Who wrote the return of the burglar?

Actually, even though Marv Wolfman wrote that fantastic story, the first appearance of the Burglar since AF #15 was written by Len Wein in ASM #170.

But his next appearance, ASM #193, was written by Wolfman, who arguably has THE BEST run on Amazing since Stan Lee.

:)

[SpideyInATree]

I like the black costume.

I remember the first time I saw Spidey in it. My mom just bought me some Secret Wars action figures, from the 80's, and the black suit Spider-Man was one of them. Being a little kid I always thought for the longest time that they were two different Spider-Men. Heh.

[14k london spider]

I like the black costume.

I remember the first time I saw Spidey in it. My mom just bought me some Secret Wars action figures, from the 80's, and the black suit Spider-Man was one of them. Being a little kid I always thought for the longest time that they were two different Spider-Men. Heh.

that was the first time i saw the black suit too! i think i still have that figure somewhere, i think the design of the anatomy was possibly the best spider-man figure ever.

[Arcturus]

Although i'm a sucker for the red & blues, i've always had a place for the black costume. Especially the living one.

:up:

[jaydawg]

I never liked it. It just doesnt work on spidey. Hell, I'd argue the Iron Spider look is a better fit.

[Spec Spider-Man]

I loved it.

[Chris Wallace]

Actually, even though Marv Wolfman wrote that fantastic story, the first appearance of the Burglar since AF #15 was written by Len Wein in ASM #170.

But his next appearance, ASM #193, was written by Wolfman, who arguably has THE BEST run on Amazing since Stan Lee.

:)
I was talking about the one where he died; I didn't know he showed up in-between.:spidey:

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Me either.

[RAMORE]

it was simplicity and that's why it was a cool change for a while.

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Like the Black suit a bit less than the red and blues(Black) but I still like it... Scarlet BlingSpidey(a.k.a. the robin suit)... not at all...

[Chris Wallace]

I could definitely see someone saying the black suit doesn't fit with Spider-Man, but still, it's an awesome design.
That's pretty much how I feel. I liked it for the time; it was well-designed, but I was glad to see him back in the classic threads, as I will be once Civil War is over..:spidey:

[Chris Wallace]

We're so gonna hijack this into an Army of Darkness thread, aren't we?
Why not? Mara Jane & Themanofbat almost jacked this into a writing thread.

[Chris Wallace]

If you're referring to issue #200 then that would be Marv Wolfman.
That was what I meant.

[LarryLegend]

TMOB, Wolfman or Stern for best run since Stan Lee (currently I have them tied, it usually goes back and forth)

[nogap87]

The Black Spidey costume = The best alternative costume for a superhero. Ever. (imo, of course)

Who designed it?

[SpideyInATree]

No one designed it. It was an alien symbiote. :O

[nogap87]

Aw. Silly me.:o :)

[Chris Wallace]

The Black Spidey costume = The best alternative costume for a superhero. Ever. (imo, of course)

Who designed it?
I don't remember; the tpb of the"Saga of the Alien Costume" said who, but I forget.:spidey:

[Themanofbat]

TMOB, Wolfman or Stern for best run since Stan Lee (currently I have them tied, it usually goes back and forth)

Wolfman in my opinion. :up:

I started buying Amazing Spider-Man monthly around issue #183 (I had bought it here and there between 1975 & 1978), but in 1978, I started "collecting".

Wolfman had started his run in ASM #185, and man, could that guy tell a story. No arcs BS, just good ol' storytelling with sub-plots becoming main stories while other sub-plots develop. He had a great characterization of J.Jonah Jameson going (with his nervous breakdown and all) until Denis O'Neil came on board (as the highly touted "Batman" writer") and wrecked all that development IN ONE ISSUE with a "mean machine" :rolleyes: :confused: built by Dr. Jonas Harrow.

Maybe because I was only 12 years old, but those issues are gold to me. :cool:

:)

[Themanofbat]

I was talking about the one where he died; I didn't know he showed up in-between.:spidey:

Me either.

The burglar shows up in ONE panel only in Amazing Spider-Man #170, and we don't even see him clearly.

Here it is...

http://www.samruby.com/Entertainment/NTP/NTP07.JPG

He shows up again on the last page of ASM #193, and therein begins the drama that lead to ASM #200, arguably THE best Spidey centennial story ever told, yet never to be reprinted. :(

:)

[Chris Wallace]

I Found It At A Con; Didn't Set Me Back Too Much.

[Citizen_Kaine]

I don't remember; the tpb of the"Saga of the Alien Costume" said who, but I forget.:spidey:

It was credited to Rick Leonardi and Mike Zeck who came up wth it during the Secret Wars Storyline

[Chris Wallace]

Wolfman in my opinion. :up:

I started buying Amazing Spider-Man monthly around issue #183 (I had bought it here and there between 1975 & 1978), but in 1978, I started "collecting".

Wolfman had started his run in ASM #185, and man, could that guy tell a story. No arcs BS, just good ol' storytelling with sub-plots becoming main stories while other sub-plots develop. He had a great characterization of J.Jonah Jameson going (with his nervous breakdown and all) until Denis O'Neil came on board (as the highly touted "Batman" writer") and wrecked all that development IN ONE ISSUE with a "mean machine" :rolleyes: :confused: built by Dr. Jonas Harrow.

Maybe because I was only 12 years old, but those issues are gold to me. :cool:

:)I don't think your age had much to do with it; read them again & I'll bet you'll have just as much fun as you did then.

[Citizen_Kaine]

The burglar shows up in ONE panel only in Amazing Spider-Man #170, and we don't even see him clearly.

Here it is...

http://www.samruby.com/Entertainment/NTP/NTP07.JPG

He shows up again on the last page of ASM #193, and therein begins the drama that lead to ASM #200, arguably THE best Spidey centennial story ever told, yet never to be reprinted. :(

:)

It's not too hard to find, and most stores will only put it in the 15-20 dollar ratio

[Themanofbat]

It's not too hard to find, and most stores will only put it in the 15-20 dollar ratio

I have Amazing Spider-Man #1 to current, so it's not like I need it.

But the fact that Marvel has never reprinted Wolfman's run (other than ASM #192 "24 Hours Til Doomsday") means a LOT of current Spidey fans are missing out on some great reading.

:(

[Citizen_Kaine]

I have Amazing Spider-Man #1 to current, so it's not like I need it.

But the fact that Marvel has never reprinted Wolfman's run (other than ASM #192 "24 Hours Til Doomsday") means a LOT of current Spidey fans are missing out on some great reading.

:(

Agreed, however the essentials should be reaching that area soon right?

[Themanofbat]

Agreed, however the essentials should be reaching that area soon right?

The 9th volume will cover it.

:)

[nogap87]

It was credited to Rick Leonardi and Mike Zeck who came up wth it during the Secret Wars Storyline

Thanks.

[LarryLegend]

Wolfman in my opinion. :up:

I started buying Amazing Spider-Man monthly around issue #183 (I had bought it here and there between 1975 & 1978), but in 1978, I started "collecting".

Wolfman had started his run in ASM #185, and man, could that guy tell a story. No arcs BS, just good ol' storytelling with sub-plots becoming main stories while other sub-plots develop. He had a great characterization of J.Jonah Jameson going (with his nervous breakdown and all) until Denis O'Neil came on board (as the highly touted "Batman" writer") and wrecked all that development IN ONE ISSUE with a "mean machine" :rolleyes: :confused: built by Dr. Jonas Harrow.

Maybe because I was only 12 years old, but those issues are gold to me. :cool:

:)

Its not because you were twelve. I read through his entire run about a month ago and its still magic.

[Themanofbat]

It was credited to Rick Leonardi and Mike Zeck who came up wth it during the Secret Wars Storyline

I remember seeing some Leonardi preliminary designs in an old issue of Marvel Age and the costume was black with a red spider instead of white.

:)

[Chris Wallace]

Its not because you were twelve. I read through his entire run about a month ago and its still magic.
So we're in agreement here. Too bad we can't get those guys back.:spidey:

[Themanofbat]

Didn't you guys just LOVE how the storytelling was paced?

It just doesn't even compare to these days with the 6 issue arc mentality where the status quo remains the same between a lame 5 issue story.

Wolfman's run on Amazing was pure magic, and his ASM #200 was what the 100th issue should have been, and Stan missed the boat on that one.

...in my opinion.

:)

[Chris Wallace]

What Happened In # 100?

[Citizen_Kaine]

What Happened In # 100?

Peter tried to get rid of his powers, has a trippy nightmare, and wakes up to find that he has six arms. Not a bad storyline, just not really fitting for a Spider Man centenial

[Chris Wallace]

Oh-I didn't know when it happened. I was never crazy about that storyline.

[Themanofbat]

Oh-I didn't know when it happened. I was never crazy about that storyline.

Like C.Kaine said, it wasn't a bad story, just not fitting for Spidey's first centennial issue.

Amazing Spider-Man #200, which featured a powerless Peter Parker against the man who killed his Uncle Ben... now THAT's a story. :up:

:)

[Gabba Gabba Hey]

The 9th volume will cover it.

:)

can't wait :up:

[pussywillow1972]

I agree that I don't think it's the right 'look' for Spidey, but the black costume represents something more than what it is: it represents the golden age of Spider-Man, IMO. The stories written in that time are what I consider to be his best.

I couldn't agree more. Who doesn't crack up when reading "when the commuter cometh" or Spidey being forced by a nursing home resident to sweep up broken glass or... I could go on and on, but the point is the storylines, the humor and even the art where at their pinnacle during that time.

[pussywillow1972]

I have Amazing Spider-Man #1 to current, so it's not like I need it.

But the fact that Marvel has never reprinted Wolfman's run (other than ASM #192 "24 Hours Til Doomsday") means a LOT of current Spidey fans are missing out on some great reading.

:(

I've got 80-current with about 30 or so issues before then. Almost there! If the wife knew what I spend...

[LarryLegend]

Like C.Kaine said, it wasn't a bad story, just not fitting for Spidey's first centennial issue.

Amazing Spider-Man #200, which featured a powerless Peter Parker against the man who killed his Uncle Ben... now THAT's a story. :up:

:)

One of the best ever. It deserves a reprint. You guys need to pettiton Donald Thomas nicely. Maybe he'll post it again.

[Dangerous]

Best costume ever.
If you hate it you have no taste.

[SpideyInATree]

Best costume ever.
If you hate it you have no taste.

And I hear that if you thing its the "Best costume ever" that it gives you cooties.