X-MEN: Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More

[Herr Logan]

Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More
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X-MEN



This thread is a spin-off of the original ‘Safe Haven for Those Who Demand More (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6248395#post6248395)’ from the Misc. Comics Films forum. That thread was open to the discussion of all superhero properties, and I have branched out into several property-specific ones so we can better keep track of people’s posts and have more linear and organized discussions about each superhero property.

Listed below are several posts links from the original Haven that pertain to the subject of this particular thread. It is not a complete list, and anyone who wants to link or re-post something they thought was interesting is welcome to do so.
I recommend reading these posts before posting your own ideas, but it’s not a requirement.
I ask that while people can respectfully point it out, they not act harshly when a user makes a new post that contains material that is similar to what has already been posted in either the original Haven or this particular thread.

This thread, like its predecessor, is dedicated to the brainstorming and discussion of ideas pertaining to how faithful and optimally entertaining superhero movie adaptations could have, or still could, be made. This is also a place for analyzing what has come before and how that could be a basis for ideal film adaptations of the various superhero properties we know and love, more closely based on the source material. The topic of this thread is the X-Men, including spin-off properties such as Wolverine.

I think certain movies already made could be taken as a basis for fully faithful adaptations, as in a large portion of a particular movie could be left mostly the way it is with specific alterations to what held that movie back from being better. Even some of the obvious changes to the various mythos could be used to enhance the story or execution of an adaptation that could still be considered faithful by discriminating, analytical and demanding fans. If there hasn’t been a movie made of the superhero(es) discussed in this thread, then ignore the last two sentences.
I want to discuss the theoretical possibilities present in both the original source material and the existing adaptations, and how those could be put into new productions that completely nail both the "spirit" and the essential details of these mythologies. Plots, script, character traits, costumes, even casting decisions are open for discussion. This is ultimately for the purpose of creative discussions for their own sake, although I would be delighted if it inspired high-quality, faithful fan scripts beings written (Dragon has written some excellent Spider-Man screenplays, for example).

All other non-comics media are valid topics as well (live action and animated TV series, video games, etc.). Again, it's fine to use ideas from existing products (casting, plot elements, dialogue, props/effects, etc.) as a basis or part of an idea for a "new" product if the new product would be significantly more faithful, even though it would be implausible for a rebooted franchise (a la "Batman Begins") to include these same elements in reality; reality is mostly irrelevant here.
It is unlikely that these ideas will lead to a better movie being made; not unless one of the thread participants ends up being a big-time producer or someone important in the business reads this thread. This is for us, the fans. We spend a good deal of time on the Hype, and it really doesn't accomplish much in terms of tangible results anyway. That's okay, since the point of this forum, presumably, is for the purpose of imparting information, critiquing superhero products, and discussing ideas. This is for people who are intelligent, imaginative, and passionate and have ideas to share conforming to the stated topic.

Ground Rules:
If you believe that the movie adaptations already made are perfect or good enough and do not need revision or analysis, then you have nothing to contribute to this thread, so be on your way and don’t intrude where you have nothing to offer. Do not waste our time with conformist platitudes. Do not come in here and defend film decisions that are considered flaws by contributing posters, unless you have another aspect in mind that does need changing and post an equal or greater portion of text discussing a criticism or suggesting an idea for an existing or hypothetical product that is very faithful to the source material.
We’re here to talk amongst ourselves, and anyone who disagrees with the spirit of this thread is in no way obligated to read any of the content herein or reply. Any of the behavior I described above that occurs here is trolling, pure and simple. This thread isn’t about argument and hostility. The only personal criticism that should occur is that which is directed toward the producers (meaning anyone involved in the production in any way) of preexisting superhero products, and even that should be kept reasonably limited, since everyone who truly belongs in this thread is assumed to have some level of disagreement with said producers, sometimes to the point of resentment. We need not spend excessive time on blaming them for their failings, but don’t hold back your true feelings on those screw-ups either. Disagreement between rule-abiding posters is fine. Just keep it civil and within the guidelines. Or else.


Nobody is allowed to use terms like “fanboy,” “nerd,” “purist,” “hater,” or anything like that in a derogatory manner toward other posters or comic fans in general in this thread. The word "whining" and the like-- unless used with regard to a character in a movie, comic book or TV show (ex. “Spider-Man was quite the whiner...”)—is forbidden, as is “nitpicking,” and anything else intended to bully anyone into complacency and acceptance of existing products. The phrase “impossible standards” and anything to the effect of “movies and comics are different mediums, so there have to be changes,” “the general audience will not accept the same things comics fans will,” and “people want to see realism,” if not accompanied by a massive amount of faithful and potentially marketable ideas meant to compensate or work around these alleged “facts,” are also strictly forbidden.
It is okay to suggest minor deviations from the source material for this topic, as long as the majority of the ideas you put forth—or are simply replying to and agree with—are consistent with the source material and/or significantly more faithful than previous existing adaptations.
Please do not include concepts based on Marvel's Ultimate Universe that differ greatly from the real Marvel Universe (616). I realize this is largely subjective, so I'll have to shoulder the terrible burden of deciding what is "faithful enough;" I'll try not to be capricious about it.**That last rule was added on 6/03/06, so contributors who began sharing concepts that are overall strongly based on the Ultimate Universe prior to that may continue to further develop them (example: The Question proposed a movie for 'The Ultimates' on 6/02/06, so that, as a movie or a multi-film franchise, gets a free pass forevermore). Other posters should not start posting that type of material, or rather they should be aware that I will address it and judge the content acceptable or unacceptable. Thanks for bearing with me.


Do not belittle classic superhero or villain costumes. Do not use the word "panties" to describe those shorts that some heroes wear over their tights. It's fine to describe a costume as "tights" as long as they actually are and you aren't belittling anything. It's not okay to use the word "Spandex" to describe a costume from the comics that is not actually made of it, unless you're suggesting that Spandex, Lycra, etc. be used in the production of the movie, or maybe suggesting Neoprene or something else over it. Using the term "gay" in any derogatory sense whatsoever in this thread will result in an immediate report to a moderator, without warning, whether or not you've read this. Again, it’s okay to disagree with a person’s criticism of a movie if you have another one to share, but do not post remarks about an existing or real-life upcoming film if you have no significant complaints about any of the productions being discussed.

I hope the guidelines are clear. Everyone is welcome to contribute or comment, as long as they follow the rules and don’t make any criticisms that are not relevant to the thread. You either belong here or you don’t, and that choice is up to you , so have respect enough to let the environment herein reflect the title of this thread.
Anyone who violates the rules or causes trouble will be promptly reported.

Thank you for your cooperation.


It is recommended, but not strictly required, that you supply a unique title at the beginning of each new post, especially when it isn’t a reply to another’s post. This will help in identifying the topic of each new post at a glance and finding specific posts with the Hype’s search engine. You can resend older posts in the appropriate thread and add titles to them.
Examples:

“Hunter Rider’s Iron Man concept #1”
“Herr Logan’s ‘Batman: Dark Knight Detective’ video game,”
“Everyman’s Captain America movie series concept #1”
“Zev’s Daredevil TV Show concept”
“Logan & Zaphod’s Batman movie series concept.”Welcome to the Safe Haven. Enjoy!


Here are a few posts from the original thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6248395#post6248395)to check out. Make sure to check the quoted portions, as several of these posts are two-for-one deals (which is why so many of mine are here, because I almost always reply to people’s posts and frequently use quotes from other posts). Also, most of these links lead to single post pages, but if you open those pages and click on the thread title link in the upper right corner, it will take you to that post in the full thread, where you can see what came before and afterward. If I’ve confused you and you need help navigating the links, just ask.



X-Men Haven Posts

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...6&postcount=18 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6253276&postcount=18)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...9&postcount=23 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6256069&postcount=23)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...6&postcount=98 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6296216&postcount=98)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...&postcount=195 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6363189&postcount=195)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...&postcount=196 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6363307&postcount=196)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...&postcount=207 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6370669&postcount=207)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...&postcount=239 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6434802&postcount=239)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...&postcount=264 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6451545&postcount=264)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...88#post7526988 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7526988#post7526988)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...72#post7548072 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7548072#post7548072)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...68#post7550168 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7550168#post7550168)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...64#post7554664 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7554664#post7554664)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...77#post7555477 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7555477#post7555477)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...41#post7555541 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7555541#post7555541)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...59#post7555559 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7555559#post7555559)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...62#post7555662 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7555662#post7555662)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...14#post7638214 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7638214#post7638214)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...38#post7663538 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7663538#post7663538)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8866148&postcount=1303
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8873025&postcount=1305



X-Men Video Game

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...00#post7676800 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7676800#post7676800)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...06#post7677006 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7677006#post7677006)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...68#post7692468 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7692468#post7692468)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...42#post7697442 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7697442#post7697442)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...88#post7721288 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7721288#post7721288)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...37#post7729037 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7729037#post7729037)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...28#post7730028 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7730028#post7730028)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...98#post7990598 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7990598#post7990598)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...11#post7990711 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7990711#post7990711)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...21#post7991721 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7991721#post7991721)
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8005659&postcount=852
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8006512&postcount=855



"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

--George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

[Abaddon]

Thanks for linking my X-idea,Herr.I actually came up with some revisions but was having trouble finding my old posts.I'll post my "official" version as soon as I can.:up:

[Herr Logan]

Thanks for linking my X-idea,Herr.I actually came up with some revisions but was having trouble finding my old posts.I'll post my "official" version as soon as I can.:up:

No problem. I look forward to it. :up:

:wolverine

[The Batman]

Alllllllllllllll right!

[The Batman]

As for costumes, i think the reload costumes are perfect to put on screen. They're basically the 70's-80's costumes updated for today. Cyke's new look totally solves your problem, herr logan, as he only has a gold outline on his suit.

I'll get started on the sequel to my first X-Men

[Herr Logan]

As for costumes, i think the reload costumes are perfect to put on screen. They're basically the 70's-80's costumes updated for today. Cyke's new look totally solves your problem, herr logan, as he only has a gold outline on his suit.

I'll get started on the sequel to my first X-Men

You mean just for the original team or beyond that?

Wolverine's "reload" costume in particular is crap. I would show an alternate (as in more militaristic) version of Wolverine's original Department H costume from the 70's (and then replace it with the brown and orange one in the next scene he's in), but not that ridiculous thing he's wearing in comics now. I know tha costume was created for the sole purpose of fostering more anti-costume mentality with regard to Wolverine. A couple years of it now, and then the fans will be expected to vote "no" for any Wolverine costumes ever again. Bastards.

I would still want to put trunks on Cyclops even if he wore that all-blue bodysuit, since I'm very much in love with my own trunks/rapelling harness idea. I'd give it to anyone who might need to climb with ropes, which includes all the original X-Men (even the Beast and Angel, just in case they get really tired and can't fly or grip), Wolverine, Colossus, Kitty Pryde (in case she can't phase for whatever reason), and others.

I'm thinking I'd give Cyclops the open-top cowl with bandaliers look in my ideal third X-Men movie, where I'd also introduce Gambit (who would also have a harness) and bring back a few of the original team members.

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

X-Men-(Part one)


The basic team is comprised of: Cyclops,Storm,Colossus,Nightcrawler,Wolverine,and eventually Kitty Pryde.Jean Grey has a small supporting role.

Costumes:
http://www.enlighted.com/media/xmen/x6x500.jpg
Well,not really.I just wanted to open with that pic.:o

Storm-
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/storm-bigcostume9.jpg


Colossus-
http://www.gamebanshee.com/xmenlegends/allies/images/colossus.jpg

Cyclops-(A blend of these two drawing mostly on the Ultimate version)
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/cyclops-bigcostume9.jpghttp://www.marvellous.neostrada.pl/postacie/Ultimate_Cyclops.GIF

Nightcrawler-(Sans the priest collar with some red slapped on)
http://ultimatecomics.free.fr/uncanny_xmen/images/Nightcrawler_Cover_001.jpg

[Abaddon]

Wolverine-(A blend of these)
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/704/704530/wolverine-20060502054703528.jpghttp://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/620/620608/wolverine-20050531024704701.jpg

Magneto-(I'd tone down the purple a bit,and emphasize the red)
http://gamesmainframe.com/downloads/X-Men%20Legends%202/11192993438.jpg

Toad-(Without the stupid though,and perhaps something resembling that lilipad collar thing he used to wear)
http://mutantvault.xmenlegends2.com/assets/Toad1280-thumb.jpg

Pyro-
http://www.gamebanshee.com/xmenlegends/villains/images/pyro.jpghttp://tatooine.fortunecity.com/bear/353/cajun_pyro.jpg

Avalanche and Blob-
http://x-men.toonzone.net/gallery/character/future_brotherhood01.jpg

[Abaddon]

Mystique-
http://www.thefourthrail.com/images/reviews/052603/mystique2.jpg


Kitty-(Who doesn't receive of costume,but rather steals a training one where's something similar to this)
http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Costumes/Shadowcat/Etincelle.JPG

I'll get to the story a bit later.

[The Batman]

You mean just for the original team or beyond that?

Wolverine's "reload" costume in particular is crap. I would show an alternate (as in more militaristic) version of Wolverine's original Department H costume from the 70's (and then replace it with the brown and orange one in the next scene he's in), but not that ridiculous thing he's wearing in comics now. I know tha costume was created for the sole purpose of fostering more anti-costume mentality with regard to Wolverine. A couple years of it now, and then the fans will be expected to vote "no" for any Wolverine costumes ever again. Bastards.

I would still want to put trunks on Cyclops even if he wore that all-blue bodysuit, since I'm very much in love with my own trunks/rapelling harness idea. I'd give it to anyone who might need to climb with ropes, which includes all the original X-Men (even the Beast and Angel, just in case they get really tired and can't fly or grip), Wolverine, Colossus, Kitty Pryde (in case she can't phase for whatever reason), and others.

I'm thinking I'd give Cyclops the open-top cowl with bandaliers look in my ideal third X-Men movie, where I'd also introduce Gambit (who would also have a harness) and bring back a few of the original team members.

:wolverine


Most of the characters reload costumes are pretty good. I'd most likely use those.

There are two ways the reload costume for logan is drawn. Do you mean the one with the classic wolvie boots and gloves, or the one with millitary boots and gloves?

[Herr Logan]

Most of the characters reload costumes are pretty good. I'd most likely use those.

There are two ways the reload costume for logan is drawn. Do you mean the one with the classic wolvie boots and gloves, or the one with millitary boots and gloves?

I'm not even sure. I just know that the bodysuit pattern is horrible. I prefer something much simpler like his original costume (from 'Uncanny X-Men,' not 'Incredible Hulk' #181, unless something tasteful could be done about those "whiskers") or the brown and orange one. The latter costume I think would look the best on screen, but again, I'd definitely show a yellowish, black-striped uniform in Wolverine's first scene in my second X-Men film; this would be where Professor Xavier recruits him right then and there at the Department H headquarters in front of Wolverine's supervisor.

I've also decided that Logan will accept his offer largely based on the fact that Xavier had the balls to do it like that. The next time you see him, he's acclimated to working with the X-Men (but still rough around the edges, of course) and wearing a uniform that honors the Yashida clan with its colors, with a mask that resembles both a samurai headpiece and an indiginous Canadian tribe's totem mask. Anyone who thinks Wolverine would look silly in that on screen obviously doesn't believe that good filmmakers actually exist. Besides, the very concept of the X-Men is silly. Everyone with half a brain knows Xavier's naive and deluded and costumed vigilantes aren't likely to make political progress in the "real world." But we still root for them and we read and watch superhero stories. It's just the ones who can't accept basic traits of their chosen genre that are ashamed of it.


Okay, off-topic. Anyway, it's the completely over-done yellow and blue pattern I have a problem with, not the boots or gloves, necessarily. I also think he should have the trunks. They help emphasize his stockiness and short stature if he's drawn correctly.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

X-Men-(Part one)

Thanks for posting, Abaddon. :up:

These designs differ a lot from my own preferences, but there's nothing to say about that, really. I'll have more to say when you post the story.

Just tell me this: How tall is Wolverine going to be in your version? Also, is this a movie or TV series, live action or animated?

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

Thanks for posting, Abaddon. :up:

These designs differ a lot from my own preferences, but there's nothing to say about that, really. I'll have more to say when you post the story.

Just tell me this: How tall is Wolverine going to be in your version? Also, is this a movie or TV series, live action or animated?

:wolverine


I actually meant it for a movie.But a live action with a movie-budget would be a dream come true.


And I'm mostly familiar with your costume preference anyway.;)


I'd say Wolverine would be about 5'4. And I forget to mention I'd change Avalanche's helmet to resemble his comic counterpart.

[Herr Logan]

I actually meant it for a movie.But a live action with a movie-budget would be a dream come true.


And I'm mostly familiar with your costume preference anyway.;)


I'd say Wolverine would be about 5'4. And I forget to mention I'd change Avalanche's helmet to resemble his comic counterpart.

Wolverine is 5'3", not 5'4". :mad:

Someday I'll forgive you for that, but for now, I can't even look at you.






Anyway, comics Avalache definitely looks better.

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

Wolverine is 5'3", not 5'4". :mad:

Someday I'll forgive you for that, but for now, I can't even look at you.

He wears boots sometimes.:mad:



Anyways

The Story

It opens with a Prof. Xavier voiceover,like the one used in Singer's version.We see brief glimpses of the teams origins-Colossus in Russia,Storm in Africa,etc.Then we see a young Kitty Pryde enter her home after coming from dance class.She tells her parents she left early because she was getting another one of her headaches.Her mother suggest they see a doctor,but her father thinks its merely stress do to taking on so many activites.He tells her that she should take it slow,everytime she's ever wanted to do something,she succeeds and then moves on to something else(he mentions her currently taking on ballet and gymnatics,and having gained a black belt in karate school).Kitty goes upstairs to lie down,and closes her eyes trying to stop the pain.Her mother talks with her father about the problem while making dinner,and asks her husband to ask her if she wants some tea.Her father stands on the landing and calls up to her.Kitty,still experiencing pain,tries to shut him out. She takes a deep breath,and before she even realizes it,begins sinking into the bed.Her father walks up the stairs and over to her room only to find it empty.Her mother turns away from the stove and walks out towards the staircase,and a horrified look comes over her face as she sees Kitty phase down the ceiling along with her bed sheets,and calmly float down.She lets out a piecring scream and Mr.Pryde comes running down the stairs.The scream is enough to snap Kitty out of it,and she opens her eyes and falls on the floor.Her mother is hysterical and her father desperately tries to make sense of whats going on. She points to ceiling where a pillow is hanging from it,having not been completely phased.KItty is freaked out by her parents reaction,and her own experience.The last thing she remembers was being in her room and closing her eyes.She gets up and looks up at the ceiling,then gasps and backs into the television....literally.The screen goes to static and she pulls out of it.The scene ends with everyone bearing panicked facial expressions.


more later.

[Herr Logan]

He wears boots sometimes.:mad:



Anyways

The Story

It opens with a Prof. Xavier voiceover,like the one used in Singer's version.We see brief glimpses of the teams origins-Colossus in Russia,Storm in Africa,etc.Then we see a young Kitty Pryde enter her home after coming from dance class.She tells her parents she left early because she was getting another one of her headaches.Her mother suggest they see a doctor,but her father thinks its merely stress do to taking on so many activites.He tells her that she should take it slow,everytime she's ever wanted to do something,she succeeds and then moves on to something else(he mentions her currently taking on ballet and gymnatics,and having gained a black belt in karate school).Kitty goes upstairs to lie down,and closes her eyes trying to stop the pain.Her mother talks with her father about the problem while making dinner,and asks her husband to ask her if she wants some tea.Her father stands on the landing and calls up to her.Kitty,still experiencing pain,tries to shut him out. She takes a deep breath,and before she even realizes it,begins sinking into the bed.Her father walks up the stairs and over to her room only to find it empty.Her mother turns away from the stove and walks out towards the staircase,and a horrified look comes over her face as she sees Kitty phase down the ceiling along with her bed sheets,and calmly float down.She lets out a piecring scream and Mr.Pryde comes running down the stairs.The scream is enough to snap Kitty out of it,and she opens her eyes and falls on the floor.Her mother is hysterical and her father desperately tries to make sense of whats going on. She points to ceiling where a pillow is hanging from it,having not been completely phased.KItty is freaked out by her parents reaction,and her own experience.The last thing she remembers was being in her room and closing her eyes.She gets up and looks up at the ceiling,then gasps and backs into the television....literally.The screen goes to static and she pulls out of it.The scene ends with everyone bearing panicked facial expressions.


more later.

Sounds like a good start. :up:

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

I edited in a mention of Kitty's father watching a news program about the mutant problem,to put a greater emphasis on the fact that while the adult figures deal with serious,world problems and issues regarding persecution,and the like Kitty is mostly oblivious because she's a teen girl and she lives in her world,and its the discovery of her own "otherness" that brings about this awareness.I also want to mention that I've aged KItty by a few years,so her abilities manifest now that she is 16.

The Story

It opens with a Prof. Xavier voiceover,like the one used in Singer's version.We see brief glimpses of the teams origins-Colossus in Russia,Storm in Africa,etc.And Magneto's as well.Then we see a young Kitty Pryde enter her home after coming from dance class.She tells her parents she left early because she was getting another one of her headaches.Her mother suggest they see a doctor,but her father,turning away from a news program regarding the mutant issue, thinks its merely stress do to taking on so many activites.He tells her that she should take it slow,everytime she's ever wanted to do something,she succeeds and then moves on to something else(he mentions her currently taking on ballet and gymnatics,and having gained a black belt in karate school).Kitty goes upstairs to lie down,and closes her eyes trying to stop the pain.Her mother talks with her father about the problem while making dinner,and asks her husband to ask her if she wants some tea.Her father stands on the landing and calls up to her.Kitty,still experiencing pain,tries to shut him out. She takes a deep breath,and before she even realizes it,begins sinking into the bed.Her father walks up the stairs and over to her room only to find it empty.Her mother turns away from the stove and walks out towards the staircase,and a horrified look comes over her face as she sees Kitty phase down the ceiling along with her bed sheets,and calmly float down.She lets out a piecring scream and Mr.Pryde comes running down the stairs.The scream is enough to snap Kitty out of it,and she opens her eyes and falls on the floor.Her mother is hysterical and her father desperately tries to make sense of whats going on. She points to ceiling where a pillow is hanging from it,having not been completely phased.Kitty is freaked out by her parents reaction,and her own experience.The last thing she remembers was being in her room and closing her eyes.She gets up and looks up at the ceiling,then gasps and backs into the television....literally.The screen goes to static and she pulls out of it.The scene ends with everyone bearing panicked facial expressions.



the story continues with Xavier watching a Senate hearing held by to discuss the mutant threat.Senator Kelly is present along with Henry Gyrich,and Valerie Cooper,who have brief cameos.Kelly delivers an impassioned speech advocating the Mutant Registration Act.He cites incidents of violence involving mutants,including an allusion to an incident at Cape Citadel years prior.Hank McCoy is introduced as an expert on genetics,and explains the possible causes of mutation and makes some suggestions and how it should be dealt with.Kelly immediately rebuts with snarky comments about McCoys large hands and feet,and his foolishly idealistic beliefs.At the meetings end Hank speaks with Xavier wondering if bigots like Kelly in power will ever allow for progress.Xavier says that in the meantime it is importnat that he opens the doors to those youths who are disenfranchised so that they're hearts don't harden when confronting the coldness of those like Kelly.Seconds later Xavier stops sensing a prescence.He tells Hank to go wait with Bobby and the others,and travels down a corridor where he see's Magneto.They have a talk,pretty much the same as the one in the Singers X-Men.Xavier still has hope for mankind blah,blah,blah.Magneto intends to bring hope to mutantkind blah,blah,blah.

We go back to Kitty's house where the girl lies in her room still upset by the discovery and hasn't gone to school in weeks.She's afraid that she'll use her powers while in class and everyone will find out that she's a freak.Her mother(still somewhat in denial) talks to her about some alternatives. She mentions some other private schools who've shown interest based on her academic ability.She shows her a letter from the Massachusetts Academy about wanting to meet with her soon.Kitty dismissing her moms attempts to make her feel better,saying she doesn't want to accept the fact that she can't lead a normal life anymore.The doorbell rings and Mr.Pryde answers to find a bald man in a wheelchair alongside a tall man in his 20's,wearing ruby-red shades.Confused,he asks if they need some help,and Xavier tells him he's there for an appointment to discuss Kitty's eligibility for his school.Mr.Pryde shakes his head and in the middle of disputing the claim "regains" his memory after Xavier gives a slight gesture,and remembers speaking to him over the phone.He apologizes and lets them in,calling his wife over.


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[Herr Logan]

I edited in a mention of Kitty's father watching a news program about the mutant problem,to put a greater emphasis on the fact that while the adult figures deal with serious,world problems and issues regarding persecution,and the like Kitty is mostly oblivious because she's a teen girl and she lives in her world,and its the discovery of her own "otherness" that brings about this awareness.I also want to mention that I've aged KItty by a few years,so her abilities manifest now that she is 16.





the story continues with Xavier watching a Senate hearing held by to discuss the mutant threat.Senator Kelly is present along with Henry Gyrich,and Valerie Cooper,who have brief cameos.Kelly delivers an impassioned speech advocating the Mutant Registration Act.He cites incidents of violence involving mutants,including an allusion to an incident at Cape Citadel years prior.Hank McCoy is introduced as an expert on genetics,and explains the possible causes of mutation and makes some suggestions and how it should be dealt with.Kelly immediately rebuts with snarky comments about McCoys large hands and feet,and his foolishly idealistic beliefs.At the meetings end Hank speaks with Xavier wondering if bigots like Kelly in power will ever allow for progress.Xavier says that in the meantime it is importnat that he opens the doors to those youths who are disenfranchised so that they're hearts don't harden when confronting the coldness of those like Kelly.Seconds later Xavier stops sensing a prescence.He tells Hank to go wait with Bobby and the others,and travels down a corridor where he see's Magneto.They have a talk,pretty much the same as the one in the Singers X-Men.Xavier still has hope for mankind blah,blah,blah.Magneto intends to bring hope to mutantkind blah,blah,blah.

We go back to Kitty's house where the girl lies in her room still upset by the discovery and hasn't gone to school in weeks.She's afraid that she'll use her powers while in class and everyone will find out that she's a freak.Her mother(still somewhat in denial) talks to her about some alternatives. She mentions some other private schools who've shown interest based on her academic ability.She shows her a letter from the Massachusetts Academy about wanting to meet with her soon.Kitty dismissing her moms attempts to make her feel better,saying she doesn't want to accept the fact that she can't lead a normal life anymore.The doorbell rings and Mr.Pryde answers to find a bald man in a wheelchair alongside a tall man in his 20's,wearing ruby-red shades.Confused,he asks if they need some help,and Xavier tells him he's there for an appointment to discuss Kitty's eligibility for his school.Mr.Pryde shakes his head and in the middle of disputing the claim "regains" his memory after Xavier gives a slight gesture,and remembers speaking to him over the phone.He apologizes and lets them in,calling his wife over.


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This all sounds great except for one thing:
Robert Kelly isn't really a bigot. In the comics, he drew attention to the fact that mutants truly are a security risk (and come on, they totally are) and as a libertarian had qualms about the civil rights violations that would come with the Mutant Registration Act, but he had to put his preferences aside for the greater good. Bigots-- people who not only fear mutants but behave cruelly and irrationally towards them-- use him as a figurehead, basically. Kelly may have become more bigoted after his wife was killed during a mutant-on-mutant fight (the X-Men may have been involved). If you revealed at some point in the movie that Kelly lost a loved one because of one of the X-Men's battles, that would allow for a more bigoted Kelly, but he still should behave at least civilly toward mutant advocates while in public. I mean, making fun of Beast's feet and hands? That's more Graydon Creed's (the bastard child of two sociopathic murderers) style, while Kelly is supposed to be a semi-sympathetic character. He's sort of like the middle ground between zealots like Bolivar Trask and civil rights advocates like J. Jonah Jameson (who just dislikes the X-Men because they're vigilantes, but has no problem with mutants in general and would never support the MRA if there was a vote).
Just my thoughts on that. :o

The Beast should absolutely be the one to debate with Kelly, not Jean Grey, so good on you for recognizing that.
Having Henry Gyrich and Valerie Cooper is cool.
Referencing Magneto's initial high-profile terrorist attack on Cape Citadel is good, too. :up:


I like what you did with Professor X planting a fake memory in Carmen Pryde's (I really can't believe someone would name their son "Carmen," but that's his name) mind. He used to pull that kind of ***** all the time, so despite his more recent high-horse policy on brain tampering, there's plenty of precedent.
You should probably fit in a reference to the fact that Kitty's parents were Robert Kelly supporters (which was true in the comics when they didn't know she was a mutant). Even just a T-shirt or something would do.

Good stuff. Now give me more!

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

This all sounds great except for one thing:
Robert Kelly isn't really a bigot. In the comics, he drew attention to the fact that mutants truly are a security risk (and come on, they totally are) and as a libertarian had qualms about the civil rights violations that would come with the Mutant Registration Act, but he had to put his preferences aside for the greater good. Bigots-- people who not only fear mutants but behave cruelly and irrationally towards them-- use him as a figurehead, basically. Kelly may have become more bigoted after his wife was killed during a mutant-on-mutant fight (the X-Men may have been involved). If you revealed at some point in the movie that Kelly lost a loved one because of one of the X-Men's battles, that would allow for a more bigoted Kelly, but he still should behave at least civilly toward mutant advocates while in public. I mean, making fun of Beast's feet and hands? That's more Graydon Creed's (the bastard child of two sociopathic murderers) style, while Kelly is supposed to be a semi-sympathetic character. He's sort of like the middle ground between zealots like Bolivar Trask and civil rights advocates like J. Jonah Jameson (who just dislikes the X-Men because they're vigilantes, but has no problem with mutants in general and would never support the MRA if there was a vote).
Just my thoughts on that. :o

The Beast should absolutely be the one to debate with Kelly, not Jean Grey, so good on you for recognizing that.
Having Henry Gyrich and Valerie Cooper is cool.
Referencing Magneto's initial high-profile terrorist attack on Cape Citadel is good, too. :up:


I like what you did with Professor X planting a fake memory in Carmen Pryde's (I really can't believe someone would name their son "Carmen," but that's his name) mind. He used to pull that kind of ***** all the time, so despite his more recent high-horse policy on brain tampering, there's plenty of precedent.
You should probably fit in a reference to the fact that Kitty's parents were Robert Kelly supporters (which was true in the comics when they didn't know she was a mutant). Even just a T-shirt or something would do.

Good stuff. Now give me more!

:wolverine


Ok,I see your point.I'm really more familiar with his X-Men:TAS,and movie,counterparts than the actual source.He could definitely use some justification for his feelings towards mutants,but I don't want to humanize him too much because it might squelch the McCarthy-esqueness of his character.Perhaps his comment on appearance could be changed to: "Not all these mutants are merely born with physical ...abnormalities(a more subtle indication).Some of them can start fires on whim,create bombs in the palm of their hands,and read our deepest and most private thoughts.We're talking about petential criminals in our midst." or something along those lines.

Also,as far as Kitty's parents being Kelly-supporters,I'd have the news program Carmen(far from what I expected:o) was viewing talk about the upcoming Senate hearing and present an interview with Kelly.Then he and Teresa would have a brief exchange where they acknowledge their support.

[Herr Logan]

Ok,I see your point.I'm really more familiar with his X-Men:TAS,and movie,counterparts than the actual source.He could definitely use some justification for his feelings towards mutants,but I don't want to humanize him too much because it might squelch the McCarthy-esqueness of his character.Perhaps his comment on appearance could be changed to: "Not all these mutants are merely born with physical ...abnormalities(a more subtle indication).Some of them can start fires on whim,create bombs in the palm of their hands,and read our deepest and most private thoughts.We're talking about petential criminals in our midst." or something along those lines.

Also,as far as Kitty's parents being Kelly-supporters,I'd have the news program Carmen(far from what I expected:o) was viewing talk about the upcoming Senate hearing and present an interview with Kelly.Then he and Teresa would have a brief exchange where they acknowledge their support.

Yep, that sounds great. :up:

I definitely agree that there is a need to retain a McCarthy-esque tone with regard to the government and citizenry.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Okay, I already went over who'd be in my first ideal X-Men movie in both the X-Men (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8866148&postcount=1303) and the Brotherhood (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8868680&postcount=1304)-- Prof. X, Cyclops, Angel, Beast, Marvel Girl, Iceman; Magneto, Toad, Mastermind, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Unus. Now for some plot notes.


I'm not exactly sure how the movie itself would start out, but I can run through the scenes which first show us the enlisted X-Men as a group. It would be just like in the very first issue where Jean Grey arrives in a taxi and the four boys are at a window watching her. They'll make remarks about how hot she is and joke around a bit, with Scott speaking the least. Warren, Bobby and Hank flirt with her for a good deal of their scenes together when not in battle (and sometimes during, especially in Warren's case). The students compete with each other, pretty fiercely in some instances but always within reason and without malice. They trust each other, regardless of the arguments that come up between them.

In the lair of the Brotherhood of Mutants, a similar thing is happening with the Scarlet Witch, as she is the only female among them and both Mastermind and the Toad have the hots for her. The difference is, they're not being at all charming about it, and it's not nearly as innocuous. Mastermind is far too forward and creepy and Quicksilver-- the overprotective (or is he just protective enough, under the circumstances) twin brother, throws him up against a wall in response. They fight a bit more, with Mastermind attacking Quicky with psionic illusions of fire or something, and then Magneto returns, enraged to see his minions behaving like children. Magneto warns Mastermind to back the hell off and leave Wanda in peace, and he chides Pietro for attacking a fellow mutant when it's only Magneto's place to discipline his followers. Quicksilver makes it more than clear that he isn't afraid of Magneto and doesn't give a rat's ass about his terrorist ambitions or his enormous ego. He's only there because Wanda feels indebted to Magneto for his saving her life, and Pietro will not stray from her while she's among these dangerous men. Magneto doesn't press the issue much further with Pietro, but makes some kind of show of force to show the others he's still in control. Toad acts obsequious toward Magneto as usual and gets *****ed out for being irritating. The members of the Brotherhood obviously do not get along. No jokes, no friendly jibes, no competitive games. The competition is real, the rivarly is real, and they'd just as soon stab each other in the back as give the time of day (except for the twins, who don't have the same coldblooded nature as the others). The audience will get a pretty good sense of which side they'd rather be on, if only for the emotional stability, if not the opulent setting.

Professor Xavier is very firm with his students when he has to be, but not cruel. Magneto is pretty heartless when it comes to Mastermind (because he's a scumbag who's only after money and power, no other lofty goals) and Toad (because despite his phenomenal physical properties, he's a weak person, and very annoying). He's pretty indifferent to Unus, but he knows the guy is also just a mercenary, just not as outright evil as Mastermind. To the Scarlet Witch, he is paternal (it comes naturally to him, for some strange reason... and no, I wasn't planning on having Magneto find out about the true nature of his relationship with the twins, but it could be implied heavily enough for the comic-reading audience to know I haven't neglected it entirely). One of the themes of the movie is "yay, teamwork!" The Brotherhood lose not because they have insufficient power, but because they can't trust each other and can't fight like a team. The fact that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch punk out during the final fight and the Beast uses a homemade super-gadget to turn Unus' power against him doesn't help.

There would be romantic tension between Jean and Warren, and also Jean and Scott. We already know who wins her heart by the end of the movie, so yeah.

There would be a point in the movie where the students go to Harry's Hideaway, a bar in Salem Center, and come close to getting in a fight with local toughs. Somehow or other, Scott Summer would be challenged to a game of pool and he'd win by a mile, since he's got that keen head for geometry. The opponent will find some excuse to try and start a fight, Scott won't back down, and Hank McCoy, former football star and large, bulky student, will convince everyone to calm the hell down. This is where we see that Cyclops has a macho streak in him, too, and he's fallible.

More later.

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

Okay, I already went over who'd be in my first ideal X-Men movie-- Prof. X, Cyclops, Angel, Beast, Marvel Girl, Iceman; Magneto, Toad, Mastermind, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Unus. Now for some plot notes.


I'm not exactly sure how the movie itself would start out, but I can run through the scenes which first show us the enlisted X-Men as a group. It would be just like in the very first issue where Jean Grey arrives in a taxi and the four boys are at a window watching her. They'll make remarks about how hot she is and joke around a bit, with Scott speaking the least. Warren, Bobby and Hank flirt with her for a good deal of their scenes together when not in battle (and sometimes during, especially in Warren's case). The students compete with each other, pretty fiercely in some instances but always within reason and without malice. They trust each other, regardless of the arguments that come up between them.

In the lair of the Brotherhood of Mutants, a similar thing is happening with the Scarlet Witch, as she is the only female among them and both Mastermind and the Toad have the hots for her. The difference is, they're not being at all charming about it, and it's not nearly as innocuous. Mastermind is far too forward and creepy and Quicksilver-- the overprotective (or is he just protective enough, under the circumstances) twin brother, throws him up against a wall in response. They fight a bit more, with Mastermind attacking Quicky with psionic illusions of fire or something, and then Magneto returns, enraged to see his minions behaving like children. Magneto warns Mastermind to back the hell off and leave Wanda in peace, and he chides Pietro for attacking a fellow mutant when it's only Magneto's place to discipline his followers. Quicksilver makes it more than clear that he isn't afraid of Magneto and doesn't give a rat's ass about his terrorist ambitions or his enormous ego. He's only there because Wanda feels indebted to Magneto for his saving her life, and Pietro will not stray from her while she's among these dangerous men. Magneto doesn't press the issue much further with Pietro, but makes some kind of show of force to show the others he's still in control. Toad acts obsequious toward Magneto as usual and gets *****ed out for being irritating. The members of the Brotherhood obviously do not get along. No jokes, no friendly jibes, no competitive games. The competition is real, the rivarly is real, and they'd just as soon stab each other in the back as give the time of day (except for the twins, who don't have the same coldblooded nature as the others). The audience will get a pretty good sense of which side they'd rather be on, if only for the emotional stability, if not the opulent setting.

Professor Xavier is very firm with his students when he has to be, but not cruel. Magneto is pretty heartless when it comes to Mastermind (because he's a scumbag who's only after money and power, no other lofty goals) and Toad (because despite his phenomenal physical properties, he's a weak person, and very annoying). He's pretty indifferent to Unus, but he knows the guy is also just a mercenary, just not as outright evil as Mastermind. To the Scarlet Witch, he is paternal (it comes naturally to him, for some strange reason... and no, I wasn't planning on having Magneto find out about the true nature of his relationship with the twins, but it could be implied heavily enough for the comic-reading audience to know I haven't neglected it entirely). One of the themes of the movie is "yay, teamwork!" The Brotherhood lose not because they have insufficient power, but because they can't trust each other and can't fight like a team. The fact that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch punk out during the final fight and the Beast uses a homemade super-gadget to turn Unus' power against him doesn't help.

There would be romantic tension between Jean and Warren, and also Jean and Scott. We already know who wins her heart by the end of the movie, so yeah.

There would be a point in the movie where the students go to Harry's Hideaway, a bar in Salem Center, and come close to getting in a fight with local toughs. Somehow or other, Scott Summer would be challenged to a game of pool and he'd win by a mile, since he's got that keen head for geometry. The opponent will find some excuse to try and start a fight, Scott won't back down, and Hank McCoy, former football star and large, bulky student, will convince everyone to calm the hell down. This is where we see that Cyclops has a macho streak in him, too, and he's fallible.

More later.

:wolverine

A few questions:

Are the X-Men all teenagers?

What is the basic story in the film?

And how would you explain the Scarlet Witch's abilities?

[Herr Logan]

A few questions:

Are the X-Men all teenagers?

What is the basic story in the film?

And how would you explain the Scarlet Witch's abilities?

Scott, Jean, Warren and Hank are 18, and Bobby is about 17. This is approximately how old they were when all five members officially joined the team in the comics. They don't need to be older than this for the purposes of the story. They're not stupid kids, they're young adults.

The basic story is that it's the first time Magneto makes an overt attack in the name of "mutant liberation" and the first time the X-Men meet Magneto and the Brotherhood (not Xavier, as he knew Magneto back in the day). It will establish what Xavier is all about (ideally including a short flashback scene with the Shadow King in Cairo), what the X-Men are all about, and why there's a need for them (the socio-political climate regarding mutants). There's no real plot twist here; just the X-Men versus Magneto and the Brotherhood, with a lot of character development and some philosophic discussion in between fight scenes.

The Scarlet Witch's powers won't be explained in much detail. There would be some mention of altering probabilities among the Brotherhood, but generally they'd be referred to as "hexes" by the X-Men. Her powers are somewhat unpredictable and very potent, but once the X-Men figure out that she needs her hands free and her eyes unobscured to fire her hex-bolts, she'll be neutralized until she earnestly denounces her alliance with Magneto.

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

k,cool.:o


Also,I decided to change Magneto's look to this:
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/708/708826/the-top-25-x-men-20060517084408514.jpg

[Herr Logan]

k,cool.:o


Also,I decided to change Magneto's look to this:
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/708/708826/the-top-25-x-men-20060517084408514.jpg

I don't like the purple helmet! :mad:

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

I don't like the purple helmet! :mad:

:wolverine


And I don't like purple much,but its part of his look!Plus,I'm not sure how the helmet would look with the colors inverted,so tough cookies!!:mad:



It opens with a Prof. Xavier voiceover,like the one used in Singer's version.We see brief glimpses of the teams origins-Colossus in Russia,Storm in Africa,etc.Then we see a young Kitty Pryde enter her home after coming from dance class.She tells her parents she left early because she was getting another one of her headaches.Her mother suggest they see a doctor,but her father thinks its merely stress do to taking on so many activites.He tells her that she should take it slow,everytime she's ever wanted to do something,she succeeds and then moves on to something else(he mentions her currently taking on ballet and gymnatics,and having gained a black belt in karate school).Kitty goes upstairs to lie down,and closes her eyes trying to stop the pain.Her mother talks with her father about the problem while making dinner,and asks her husband to ask her if she wants some tea.Her father stands on the landing and calls up to her.Kitty,still experiencing pain,tries to shut him out. She takes a deep breath,and before she even realizes it,begins sinking into the bed.Her father walks up the stairs and over to her room only to find it empty.Her mother turns away from the stove and walks out towards the staircase,and a horrified look comes over her face as she sees Kitty phase down the ceiling along with her bed sheets,and calmly float down.She lets out a piecring scream and Mr.Pryde comes running down the stairs.The scream is enough to snap Kitty out of it,and she opens her eyes and falls on the floor.Her mother is hysterical and her father desperately tries to make sense of whats going on. She points to ceiling where a pillow is hanging from it,having not been completely phased.KItty is freaked out by her parents reaction,and her own experience.The last thing she remembers was being in her room and closing her eyes.She gets up and looks up at the ceiling,then gasps and backs into the television....literally.The screen goes to static and she pulls out of it.The scene ends with everyone bearing panicked facial expressions.



the story continues with Xavier watching a Senate hearing held by to discuss the mutant threat.Senator Kelly is present along with Henry Gyrich,and Valerie Cooper,who have brief cameos.Kelly delivers an impassioned speech advocating the Mutant Registration Act.He cites incidents of violence involving mutants,including an allusion to an incident at Cape Citadel years prior.Hank McCoy is introduced as an expert on genetics,and explains the possible causes of mutation and makes some suggestions and how it should be dealt with.Kelly immediately rebuts with snarky comments about McCoys large hands and feet,and his foolishly idealistic beliefs.At the meetings end Hank speaks with Xavier wondering if bigots like Kelly in power will ever allow for progress.Xavier says that in the meantime it is importnat that he opens the doors to those youths who are disenfranchised so that they're hearts don't harden when confronting the coldness of those like Kelly.Seconds later Xavier stops sensing a prescence.He tells Hank to go wait with Bobby and the others,and travels down a corridor where he see's Magneto.They have a talk,pretty much the same as the one in the Singers X-Men.Xavier still has hope for mankind blah,blah,blah.Magneto intends to bring hope to mutantkind blah,blah,blah.

We go back to Kitty's house where the girl lies in her room still upset by the discovery and hasn't gone to school in weeks.She's afraid that she'll use her powers while in class and everyone will find out that she's a freak.Her mother(still somewhat in denial) talks to her about some alternatives. She mentions some other private schools who've shown interest based on her academic ability.She shows her a letter from the Massachusetts Academy about wanting to meet with her soon.Kitty dismissing her moms attempts to make her feel better,saying she doesn't want to accept the fact that she can't lead a normal life anymore.The doorbell rings and Mr.Pryde answers to find a bald man in a wheelchair alongside a tall man in his 20's,wearing ruby-red shades.Confused,he asks if they need some help,and Xavier tells him he's there for an appointment to discuss Kitty's eligibility for his school.Mr.Pryde shakes his head and in the middle of disputing the claim "regains" his memory after Xavier gives a slight gesture,and remembers speaking to him over the phone.He apologizes and lets them in,calling his wife over.


Xavier and Scott sit introduce themselves and sit in the den to discuss the school.KItty meanwhile,still moping upstairs with the classic "My life is over" teen mentality.She boredly her hand through the drawer next to her bed and pulls out a radio/Ipod or what have you,but she can't find her headset.She walks out of the room and calls out to her mother asking for it,and hears them talking downstairs.She sneaks down the steps and listens in on the conversation.Her parents are looking over a brochure and seem genuinely interested,though a bit reluctant.

Teresa: THis is all a bit overwhelming.

Xavier: Oh,I understand. Your daughter is special,and you don't want to waste her talents in a place that my not suit her needs.

Teresa: IT's just that,she hasn't shown much interest in returning her own public school...

Scott: The Xavier School is much friendlier environment than most public schools. She'll fit right in.

Carmen: Now some other schools have shown interest in our daughter.

Teresa: Yes,are you familiar with Ms. Frost from the Massachusetts Academy?

Xavier: Yes,I am quite familiar.

Carmen: What sets your school apart.

Xavier: We've been successful at helping many youngsters,who may not otherwise feel accepted by the peers because of their gifts. And we both know that young Katherine is exceptionally gifted.

THey continue discussing and Xavier says she can come by and try out the school for a time,and if she doesn't like it she can leave.Teresa says that ultimately it should be Kitty's decision.Kitty,having picked up on the fact that Xavier was probably aware she was a mutant,steps in and decides to give it a shot.She hopes that Xavier can find a way to "fix" her.


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[Herr Logan]

And I don't like purple much,but its part of his look!Plus,I'm not sure how the helmet would look with the colors inverted,so tough cookies!!:mad:

"Colors inverted"?? Tell me you don't actually think that Magneto's helmet is actually primarily purple with red trim!

Those pictures you showed me? Those are Magneto. That's some "Ultimate" bull*****. Magneto's helmet is red with purple trim, and if you don't know what that looks like, then you've got no business constructing a movie concept that includes him!!

But I'm sure I probably just misinterpreted what you said and am grossly overreacting, right? :o ;)


Xavier and Scott sit introduce themselves and sit in the den to discuss the school.KItty meanwhile,still moping upstairs with the classic "My life is over" teen mentality.She boredly her hand through the drawer next to her bed and pulls out a radio/Ipod or what have you,but she can't find her headset.She walks out of the room and calls out to her mother asking for it,and hears them talking downstairs.She sneaks down the steps and listens in on the conversation.Her parents are looking over a brochure and seem genuinely interested,though a bit reluctant.

Teresa: THis is all a bit overwhelming.

Xavier: Oh,I understand. Your daughter is special,and you don't want to waste her talents in a place that my not suit her needs.

Teresa: IT's just that,she hasn't shown much interest in returning her own public school...

Scott: The Xavier School is much friendlier environment than most public schools. She'll fit right in.

Carmen: Now some other schools have shown interest in our daughter.

Teresa: Yes,are you familiar with Ms. Frost from the Massachusetts Academy?

Xavier: Yes,I am quite familiar.

Carmen: What sets your school apart.

Xavier: We've been successful at helping many youngsters,who may not otherwise feel accepted by the peers because of their gifts. And we both know that young Katherine is exceptionally gifted.

THey continue discussing and Xavier says she can come by and try out the school for a time,and if she doesn't like it she can leave.Teresa says that ultimately it should be Kitty's decision.Kitty,having picked up on the fact that Xavier was probably aware she was a mutant,steps in and decides to give it a shot.She hopes that Xavier can find a way to "fix" her.


more laterz

Sounds good. :up:

What age approximately are Scott Summers and the various other X-Men at this point?

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

"Colors inverted"?? Tell me you don't actually think that Magneto's helmet is actually primarily purple with red trim!

Those pictures you showed me? Those are Magneto. That's some "Ultimate" bull*****. Magneto's helmet is red with purple trim, and if you don't know what that looks like, then you've got no business constructing a movie concept that includes him!!

But I'm sure I probably just misinterpreted what you said and am grossly overreacting, right? :o ;)


As per usual.:rolleyes::p



I actually meant I'm not sure how the helmet would look with that particular ensemble.




Sounds good. :up:

What age approximately are Scott Summers and the various other X-Men at this point?

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Early twenties,though Storm and Beast are a bit older.

[Herr Logan]

As per usual.:rolleyes::p



I actually meant I'm not sure how the helmet would look with that particular ensemble.

Of course. :O

Early twenties,though Storm and Beast are a bit older.

But the Beast is the same age as Cyclops, Angel and Jean Grey!

This is straight from 'X-Men: Evolution,' isn't it?

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[Abaddon]

But the Beast is the same age as Cyclops, Angel and Jean Grey!

This is straight from 'X-Men: Evolution,' isn't it?

:wolverine


lol.Don't panic.:D

Beast is the eldest,so while the other originals are about 20-23,Beast should be 23-25 and Storm is in the same age range.


X-Men Evolution Beast and Storm had a good 20 years on the others.:o

[Herr Logan]

lol.Don't panic.:D

Beast is the eldest,so while the other originals are about 20-23,Beast should be 23-25 and Storm is in the same age range.


X-Men Evolution Beast and Storm had a good 20 years on the others.:o


Apology accepted. :)

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

Apology accepted. :)

:wolverine


I don't recall apologizing anywhere.:o


Anyways,the story continues at the mansion.Scott is speaking with Hank,Bobby,and Jean and their having a sort of final reunion of sorts.The original team has decided to take a break and find life outside the X-Men.After a brief exchange,Bobby and Hank catch sight of Warren flying outside the window.They leave and Jean talks provately with Scott.He says he knows he wants to stay,and that he's unsure about whether the new team members are ready to take up the mantle.Jean tries to convince him to leave and tells him that theyre older than they were when they were recruited.They understand their abilities better and theyre equally devoted to the cause.She hints at pursuing a relationship with him outside the genetic war.Scott says he still feels he has a responsibility,and Jean comments on him being a soldier to the end.


The point here is to show that Scott,while holding onto his responsibility as a leader,is also a bit insecure.He's not sure there's still a war to be fought over,and that whats happening now will always be there.He wants to be with Jean,but she's determined to experience life outside their world,and though Scott wont admit it,he's afraid of whats out there.He's felt like the Institute is all he's ever known.Its hard for him to imagine not being Cyclops.Of course through the course of the film,he'll learn that theyll always be a need for X-Men,and in future films the other team members will come to accept this as well.Xavier will also come to understand that his X-Men have a right to lead lives outside the mansion,and begins admitting more students in hopes that theyll fill in for the team.



Kitty arrives as a fish out of water,and eventually comes to realize she belongs there.I'm not sure whether or not I'd have some other students alongside her,because it does seem weird that she'd be the only young student there,but I'll get to all that later.

[Herr Logan]

I don't recall apologizing anywhere.:o

Of course not. ;)




Anyways,the story continues at the mansion.Scott is speaking with Hank,Bobby,and Jean and their having a sort of final reunion of sorts.The original team has decided to take a break and find life outside the X-Men.After a brief exchange,Bobby and Hank catch sight of Warren flying outside the window.They leave and Jean talks provately with Scott.He says he knows he wants to stay,and that he's unsure about whether the new team members are ready to take up the mantle.Jean tries to convince him to leave and tells him that theyre older than they were when they were recruited.They understand their abilities better and theyre equally devoted to the cause.She hints at pursuing a relationship with him outside the genetic war.Scott says he still feels he has a responsibility,and Jean comments on him being a soldier to the end.


The point here is to show that Scott,while holding onto his responsibility as a leader,is also a bit insecure.He's not sure there's still a war to be fought over,and that whats happening now will always be there.He wants to be with Jean,but she's determined to experience life outside their world,and though Scott wont admit it,he's afraid of whats out there.He's felt like the Institute is all he's ever known.Its hard for him to imagine not being Cyclops.Of course through the course of the film,he'll learn that theyll always be a need for X-Men,and in future films the other team members will come to accept this as well.Xavier will also come to understand that his X-Men have a right to lead lives outside the mansion,and begins admitting more students in hopes that theyll fill in for the team.

Very nice. :up:

The "new students" being Storm, Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Colossus, or the New Mutants?

Kitty arrives as a fish out of water,and eventually comes to realize she belongs there.I'm not sure whether or not I'd have some other students alongside her,because it does seem weird that she'd be the only young student there,but I'll get to all that later.

If you're talking about the New Mutants as the possible new students, here's my response:

Personally, I'd leave them out, but that's just my preference. I could see it working with those annoying little punks there, as long as they weren't written as too irritating. That would establish a ranking system at the Institute, where "gifted youngsters" can learn to control their powers and use them responsibly, as well as get a wordly education like they would at any other school (except better at Xavier's), and they'd have the option of signing up for superhero training (I'd call it something else if I were going in this direction, but you get what I'm saying). If they reach a certain level of aptitude and excel in several rigorous final tests in the Danger Room (or even impromptu tests in the field, depending on what's happening in the world), they graduate to become X-Men.

Again, I probably wouldn't do it like this, at least not until the third movie (and even then the New Mutants would still have very minor roles), but that's one way I see it working well, in case you wanted a suggestion.

Somewhere in the first 24 issues of the first X-Men title (original team), Warren Worthington's parents came to the school unannounced and were commenting on the fact that there are so few students there. The X-Men weren't actually home at the time, so they were probably referring back to an earlier time when at least Scott and Iceman were there, and they didn't know it was a school for mutants at that point (although they didn't seem fazed at all at first when Magneto, in all his armored and cape-wearing glory, opened the door and invited them in to include them in a nefarious plot).

In other words, Lee and Kirby knew it was an odd arrangement and commented on it. I'd likely have a character point this out as well.
One excuse would be that the school is new (when it's relatively new, of course). After that, they could say that the most exclusive school in America, and the building wasn't built for students, but rather Xavier's home was adapted to be a school for the select few who merit and/or need his specialized curricula. They could also throw some bull***** out there about how several of the students are attending the school via the Internet or some such-- correspondence courses I think they call it.

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[Abaddon]

Very nice. :up:

The "new students" being Storm, Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Colossus, or the New Mutants?


If you're talking about the New Mutants as the possible new students, here's my response:

Personally, I'd leave them out, but that's just my preference. I could see it working with those annoying little punks there, as long as they weren't written as too irritating. That would establish a ranking system at the Institute, where "gifted youngsters" can learn to control their powers and use them responsibly, as well as get a wordly education like they would at any other school (except better at Xavier's), and they'd have the option of signing up for superhero training (I'd call it something else if I were going in this direction, but you get what I'm saying). If they reach a certain level of aptitude and excel in several rigorous final tests in the Danger Room (or even impromptu tests in the field, depending on what's happening in the world), they graduate to become X-Men.

Again, I probably wouldn't do it like this, at least not until the third movie (and even then the New Mutants would still have very minor roles), but that's one way I see it working well, in case you wanted a suggestion.

Somewhere in the first 24 issues of the first X-Men title (original team), Warren Worthington's parents came to the school unannounced and were commenting on the fact that there are so few students there. The X-Men weren't actually home at the time, so they were probably referring back to an earlier time when at least Scott and Iceman were there, and they didn't know it was a school for mutants at that point (although they didn't seem fazed at all at first when Magneto, in all his armored and cape-wearing glory, opened the door and invited them in to include them in a nefarious plot).

In other words, Lee and Kirby knew it was an odd arrangement and commented on it. I'd likely have a character point this out as well.
One excuse would be that the school is new (when it's relatively new, of course). After that, they could say that the most exclusive school in America, and the building wasn't built for students, but rather Xavier's home was adapted to be a school for the select few who merit and/or need his specialized curricula. They could also throw some bull***** out there about how several of the students are attending the school via the Internet or some such-- correspondence courses I think they call it.

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Well the Giant-Sized X-Men(as I'll refer to them to eliminate some confusion) are fairly new.But theyre qualified to teach at least in the realm of abilities.Of course Scott would give them pointers as well,casuing a bit of conflict,mainly between him and Wolverine who has had a lifetime of experience.

I guess I work in the New Mutants in a very minor role,but it wouldn't be just to have Kitty show up and eventually join the team sooner than the others.I definitely intend on having Kitty make note of the fact that there's not much students theere,but Xavier could make some mention of the fact that she's actually one of the first in a series of new attending students.Afterwards,I'd probably have Doug Ramsey(whose not much help in a fight),and one of the younger New Mutants show up.But I'll see how the story plays out first.


And I meant to include a scene introducing the Brotherhood before my last post.I'll do that later.:O

[Herr Logan]

In case anyone wants a good argument to use against people who automatically and thoughtlessly shoot down the idea of using a more faithful superhero costume than filmmakers are likely to use, read this post (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8943722#post8943722).

It's more or less air-tight, except for the fact that value judgements on these kinds of things are completely subjective. However, If an anti-source material studio apologist states a value judgement as if it has concrete value, then my argument is completely air-tight.

I'm proud of it because it's probably the first time I put that concept together in cogent words that didn't go on for pages and pages of sprawling, tangential text. I guess the secret to relatively succinct and logical posts for me is to be pissed off and succumbing to the effects of Tylenol PM. Weird...

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[Abaddon]

You succint??I think I hear the trumpet of Gabriel playing.:o

[Herr Logan]

You succint??I think I hear the trumpet of Gabriel playing.:o
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :(



Nevermind. I asked my atheist friend who read parts of the Bible for the entertainment value, and he says that it's something to do with the End Times being nigh. :up:

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[Herr Logan]

Continued from Post #21 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8908755&postcount=21) of this this thread and my team rosters and mini-bios from the original thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8922511#post8922511) (X-Men (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8866148&postcount=1303) and the Brotherhood (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8868680&postcount=1304))--

Here's the character origins/back-story that will be featured in the movie, whether through flashback scenes, verbal exposition or whatever else.



Professor X-
Looking back at it, Charles Xavier’s past experiences (as in prior to ‘Uncanny X-Men #1) add up to a feature film by themselves, and I’d love it if they made movie that was as faithful as possible to his life (barring a few chronological corrections) These are some of the scenes that belong in a Professor X movie, some of which are necessary in an X-Men movie. It depends on how much we want to fill in Xavier’s history and how much tragedy we want to cram into his life in the larger franchise. Let me know which ones you guys think should be in the X-Men movie, but also consider the option of Xavier having his own full-length movie (or maybe shared with Magneto, whatever works best) and how to present the content in that context. My comments denoting what I think is necessary or optional are regarding an X-Men movie, not a solo Xavier movie, because, again, all of this stuff belongs in an Xavier movie:

Charles has a rough childhood, as his father was killed in a nuclear explosion at a nuclear research center and his step-father, Kurt Marko, was a greedy, manipulative, abusive piece of *****, who also had a piece of ***** son, Cain, who bullied Charles constantly. His mother became an alcoholic and then died and he was stuck with the Marko’s. These are optional scenes.

In his teen years, Charles is not only an excellent student, but he is the top basketball player at his school, possessing a major advantage—his mental powers. He quits sports because he deems the advantage “unfair,” but does not drop out of school. He doesn’t need his powers to ace his tests, as he’s a friggin’ genius and eventually learns to reign in his powers so stray thoughts don’t distract him or aid him in schoolwork. I deem these scenes necessary.

Charles attended Oxford on a scholarship (yeah, because he was hurting for tuition money, right?) where he met Moira Kinross with whom he fell in love and connected intellectually, discussing human mutations on a biological level (as opposed to a philosophical or purely evolutionary basis). I deem this a necessary scene.

Charles and Cain were drafted into a war (Vietnam is the appropriate choice for the timeframe, but the Temple of Cyttorak would have to be in Vietnam or a nearby land mass unless men were still being drafted and sent to Korea by the late 60’s/early 70’s). I’d love it if the Juggernaut could get a piece of the action in one movie in the X-Men series. If he can be put in, then I think that could work, since the last time there was a war draft was in the 70’s and Xavier could have been sent to Vietnam (instead of Korea) a age 20 or so and still be only somewhere in his 50’s or early 60’s by the time of the “present” storyline. I’d rather keep his physical age more or less accurate to his appearance, whereas Magneto simply has to be older than he looks, and his mutancy is all the pseudoscientific explanation needed for that. When you control one of the primarily elemental forces on the planet, you get to age slowly. That’s the deal. Anyway, I would unquestionably put an all-out Juggernaut fight with the X-Men in an Xavier-centered movie, but this is optional for a continuing X-Men central movie franchise.

Charles got dumped by Moira via the mail service, and she went back to her scumbag ex-boyfriend, Joe MacTaggert. It’s necessary that we know that they broke up, but it doesn’t have to be in a war flashback.

Cain deserted the battlefield (or tried) and Charles followed to convince him to go back and avoid a court-martial. They found themselves Cyttorak’s Temple, which collapsed after Cain callously read an inscription while holding the Gem of Cyttorak (yeah, that’s right, I’d rather throw in some mystical crap than change Cain into a mutant, because there are many different sources of power in the Marvel Universe, and that’s what the movies should represent when applicable). Charles escaped, Cain didn’t. We don’t need to see what happened to him under the rubble in that particular sequence, but we should see the Gem starting to glow bright red and Cain standing there, screaming in horror and pain as the whole place crashes down on him. That would be damn haunting, wouldn’t it?
Anyway, this is an optional scene, but maybe necessary if the Juggernaut is to be brought into a sequel skillfully. I don’t want the incident during the war to just pop up right before the Juggernaut shows up in a sequel when Xavier’s been reminiscing for one or two movies already. The scene could be used to help build the trend of Xavier’s loved ones and family (the two are not always the same in his case, obviously) abandoning him, by choice or by fate. The point I want to get across here is that Magneto had a really, really *****ty life, and he turned into a bitter, violent terrorist; Charles Xavier had a lot of bad ***** happen to him as well, and he still takes the “higher road.” It’s a hope theme, or whatever.


Charles wanders the globe, and we see him in Cairo, Egypt, where a very young Ororo Munroe pick-pocketed him. Whilst chasing her to retrieve his wallet, Charles met a local crime lord, Amahl Farouk, in a café. Farouk, a powerful psychic (better known to some fans as the Shadow King), challenged Xavier to a psychic battle, just to prove his superiority, and lost (…what are you dense? He’s the Goddamn Professor X!). This is the first evil mutant Xavier met, and it gets him thinking heroic thoughts. This scene is necessary, as it was Xavier’s primary inspiration to create the X-Men.

Charles travels to Israel at the request of a friend who works at a psychiatric clinic/hospice for severely traumatized victims of war. While staying there and using his gift of “psychological healing,” he meets and befriends Eric “Magnus” Lensherr. They connect on an intellectual level and have philosophical debates about evolution and sociology, specifically about existing racism and what would happen to civilization if humans evolved into more powerful beings. I’m not going to have the whole story with Baron von Strucker and Gabriel Haller, but perhaps an attack on the clinic could set Lensherr off and be the final straw that made him devote his life to defending his own people (whichever category is the most at risk at any given time, be it Jews in earlier years or mutants once that phenomenon is public knowledge) by any means necessary.
A scene containing some of this content is absolutely necessary for the story. Magneto didn’t help Charles build Cerebro or the school, but they were friends at one point and they share at least parts of the same ultimate goal.

I really don’t want to bring Lucifer into an X-Men movie, but I think it would unspeakably cool if Xavier got his own movie and this part of the story was told. Imagine Xavier coming across a town near the Himalayas and everyone there is possessed and acts like zombies. That could be extremely creepy, especially if the Shadow King’s scene was creepy earlier and this topped it. I don’t care how stupid Lucifer looked in the comics, he could be modified to look more menacing and a bit less human (but still with the red and purple color scheme… yeah, I know that looks a lot like Magneto, but that’s how Stan and Jack chose to do it, so just make it more of an armored exoskeleton and even darker than Magneto’s costume). After Xavier susses out the situation and finds that a malicious E.T. is controlling everyone with machines. He stands up to Lucifer and uses his power to break the mental control over the townspeople, lead them to turn on Lucifer and chase him back into his hidey-hole, but the bastard tricked Xavier and causes a cave-in (to make up for the pissed-off Cyttorak missing the mark a few years back…) that results in Xavier’s legs being crushed.

In an Xavier movie, the nasty business with the U.N. relief convoy workers and Tessa should probably be told, but not in an X-Men movie.

Same deal with the recovery period in India and Amelia Voght. Good for X’s movie, but not X-Men.

Xavier finished up his studies and earned several Ph.D.’s, including psychology and genetics. It is necessary to at least mention his credentials in a first X-Men movie.

Moira MacTaggert joins Charles in his genetic research on inborn human mutations. This is necessary to at least mention, as Xavier needed help with his dream, and Magneto never helped him with that; Moira did.

Shortly afterwards did the public learn about the existence of mutants, or, as the media labeled it, “the mutant menace.” Charles knew that it was time to act, for the FBI was already investigating several incidents regarding anti-mutant hysteria and panic. In a rather daring move did the professor infiltrate the FBI headquarters, using his telepathic powers to deal with anyone in his way. Once he met the agent in charge, Fred Duncan, Xavier further demonstrated his mental abilities and reasoned that the mutants being hunted down might cause them to band together and become the very menace they were feared to be. Having convinced Duncan of his dream of peaceful coexistence, Charles proposed an alliance. While the FBI would supply him with some info on potential mutants, Xavier would send him regular reports about the progress he made with his school. (From uncannymen.net (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=105&page=3))


The rest is stuff we’ll likely see in the X-Men movie itself.

To be continued...


By the way, for no good reason at all, I stayed up all night writing and editing this stuff, so gimme COMMENTS, God damn you!!


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[AeonFlux]

This all sounds great except for one thing:
Robert Kelly isn't really a bigot. In the comics, he drew attention to the fact that mutants truly are a security risk (and come on, they totally are) and as a libertarian had qualms about the civil rights violations that would come with the Mutant Registration Act, but he had to put his preferences aside for the greater good. Bigots-- people who not only fear mutants but behave cruelly and irrationally towards them-- use him as a figurehead, basically. Kelly may have become more bigoted after his wife was killed during a mutant-on-mutant fight (the X-Men may have been involved). If you revealed at some point in the movie that Kelly lost a loved one because of one of the X-Men's battles, that would allow for a more bigoted Kelly, but he still should behave at least civilly toward mutant advocates while in public. I mean, making fun of Beast's feet and hands? That's more Graydon Creed's (the bastard child of two sociopathic murderers) style, while Kelly is supposed to be a semi-sympathetic character. He's sort of like the middle ground between zealots like Bolivar Trask and civil rights advocates like J. Jonah Jameson (who just dislikes the X-Men because they're vigilantes, but has no problem with mutants in general and would never support the MRA if there was a vote).
Just my thoughts on that. :o

The Beast should absolutely be the one to debate with Kelly, not Jean Grey, so good on you for recognizing that.
Having Henry Gyrich and Valerie Cooper is cool.
Referencing Magneto's initial high-profile terrorist attack on Cape Citadel is good, too. :up:


I like what you did with Professor X planting a fake memory in Carmen Pryde's (I really can't believe someone would name their son "Carmen," but that's his name) mind. He used to pull that kind of ***** all the time, so despite his more recent high-horse policy on brain tampering, there's plenty of precedent.
You should probably fit in a reference to the fact that Kitty's parents were Robert Kelly supporters (which was true in the comics when they didn't know she was a mutant). Even just a T-shirt or something would do.

Good stuff. Now give me more!

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Herr Logan I swear when they first started on the X-Men movies they should have just hired you! You are an expert and if you had made the films we would have actually had REAL X-Men movies!

And yes Abaddon keep up the good work! I'm enjoying it!

[Herr Logan]

Herr Logan I swear when they first started on the X-Men movies they should have just hired you! You are an expert and if you had made the films we would have actually had REAL X-Men movies!

And yes Abaddon keep up the good work! I'm enjoying it!

Aww, shucks. :O

Thanks a bunch, Aeon. :up:

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[Jakomus]

I watched X-Men 3 today, and I laughed all the way through it.

It's so sad how Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen and Kelsey Grammar were wasted in this franchise. They were perfect for the roles they played. Beast was straight out of the comics page.

[Herr Logan]

Does anyone here think Professor Charles Xavier (the one from the comics, not the de-clawed version in the movies) should get his own feature film?

Check out my last huge post and see how much dramatic history this guy has. I think it deserves to be shown in full, either over the course of several X-Men movies or in a TV series or in a solo film.
The X-Men would still be in it, though. It would be the original five members, and the main fight scene would be Juggernaut vs. the X-Men. Yeah, I'm talking about the real Juggernaut, not a cockney, dim-witted goon who has even dumber-looking helmet than the comics version. Cain Marko isn't a genius, but he's not stupid, either. The Juggernaut story would be spread out over the course of the movie, probably, switching back and forth between the past and the present. He's reminiscing to himself while getting ready for his step-brother to reach the Mansion (but he'll brief the X-Men on Cain, verbally or psychically).

By putting out a movie on Xavier's life and the first Juggernaut battle, that relieves the other X-Men films of the responsibility of giving more than just basic exposition for his character and history. It also allows for a Juggernaut fight without it coming off as a random sub-plot (because the real Juggernaut isn't a mutant, isn't very fond of mutants, and he never worked for Magneto, as far as I know, so he can't be in the Brotherhood of Mutants, period!). Furthermore, it gives the opportunity to show a proper Astral Plane psi-battle between Xavier and Amahl Farouk (aka Shadow King) and a decently developed section for his encounter with Lucifer, which I already said would be extremely creepy and awesome if done well.
If it was a full three hours (which it should), they could even show Xavier's first contact and psychological/psychic therapy sessions with young Jean Grey.
I realize how crazy the entire saga sounds (is student, athlete, and genius and goes on to fight in a war, watch his step-brother get buried in a cave with blatant mystical overtones, fights an evil mutant psychic on the Astral Plane, fights an alien invader in Asia who controls an entire village and is crippled for it, finds out his mutant friend has decided to become a terrorist demagogue and then his step-brother comes back with magical powers and a vendetta), but that's the point. Other than establishing that it's not just mutancy that provides conflict in the X-Men universe, this is supposed to highlight the difference between himself and Magneto; they both had some pretty terrible things done to them, but Xavier is the one who still sees the glass half-full. Granted, Xavier didn't lose his family to the Holocaust or a child to a vicious mob, but he did lose his parents because of someone's malicious intentions and he can't even walk now, for God's sake.

I think it'd a worthwhile venture, if there was to be a REAL X-Men movie series alongside it. Now tell me what's going on between your ears as you read this (other than "God, he's so wordy," and similar sentiments). Speak up!!

Speak up, peoples!


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[Herr Logan]

I watched X-Men 3 today, and I laughed all the way through it.

It's so sad how Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen and Kelsey Grammar were wasted in this franchise. They were perfect for the roles they played. Beast was straight out of the comics page.

Well, Beast was mostly spot-on in personality in terms of when Beast from the comics is solemn, but he wasn't funny hardly at all, which automatically makes him a weaker version. His entire situation in life was altered, so that's probably the situation, but that's still no excuse. Comics Beast was light-hearted and joyful a lot of the time. Having him suggest out loud that the school should die with Xavier makes him definitively not the real Beast. Hank McCoy wouldn't send dozens of mutant children away just because the school's founder got killed by a former student. If it takes a token, throw-away appearance by Movie!Angel to change his mind (instantly and inexplicably, if I remember correctly), then it's not good writing, for the Beast or any other X-Man.

In my X-Men concept, the first movie stars the original team and the Beast (not furry yet) will be as he was in the comics-- funny, full of "$10 words," and very dynamic all the way through (as in he's usually moving or at least in interesting poses).

Xavier's exchanges with Logan were pretty messed up. "I don't need to explain myself; least of all to you." He may not have said that if Movie!Wolverine was the real Wolverine-- a loyal and dependable X-Man. I don't believe it when I see Movie!Wolverine cry over Xavier's death, either. I'd figure he was crying over Jean losing her innocence (as in legal innocence, since she just killed for the first time, presumably), but the writing was so bad, I won't make excuses for any of it.

Magneto was truly awesome, though. Except when Sexy Jean put those needles in front of him. Didn't those have metal in them? I thought the soldiers hadn't used the all-plastic ones until later. Anyway, if there was metal, then he should have done something about it.
I read the book and I heard plenty of spoilers, so I wasn't surprised during the movie, but I was surprised when I first heard that Magneto abandoned Mystique after she was "cured." What a scumbag! He didn't even give her his cape so she could cover up. That's not what the real Magneto is like, at least not to minions he truly cares about (as opposed to minions like the Toad). Still, the character Ian McKellan played was excellent unto himself.

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[HoratioRome]

Thank you for this thread. I have been looking for a safe "haven" for quite some time. for years the most dangerous (forum) thing you could do is to criticise the X-men. I was so attacked for pointing out the OBVIOUS flaws in the X-men movies that I finally decided not to bother anymore.
The truth is that Singer and co. have ruined the X-men franchise. The butchered it, changed it, disrespected it,..to no end.
yes I realize that they did relatively well in the BO. But I am SURE that if they had been handled more faithfully (a al SM) the x movies would have made twice as much. so I consider their results a failure.
It amazed me that we the fans (who are so picky ) have not only allowed these changes to take place,.they've supported it.
worst yet, they attack those of us who point out just had badly they butchered the original material. just how unfaithfull the x movies have been.
This is truly a case of X.I.N.O
Singer/Arad and fox have changed the stories-(that's not how Rogue and Wolverine met each other then the xmen)
changed each character- my God they destroyed Cyclops. Wolverine is not 6'2 and is NOT the lead role. Storm is WAY off, Magneto is a dottering old man, my God what they did to Jean and phoenix, Iceman, well all of them. Prof X is really the ONLY character they got right,.

there is no much that is not faithtfull that it would take too long for this post. besides this being the safe haven I'm sure everyone here already sees just how much they disregarded the source material.
what I find interesting though is that it seems that even some of us have been affected by the "X-men must be changed" bug. I have not read all the posts here, (I will), but looking at the pictures of examples of the costumes people are asking for HERE, I am getting the same basic approach that Singer took.
let's change it.
Why?
To me, the X-men should take the same approach Spider-man did.
do the costumes from the comics. As they appear. Yes make it look good, make it look real make it look cool, but make IT(like SM).
Give me either the original X-men costumes or the new (cockrum/Byrne)x-men costumes.
give me either the original origin or the new x-men origin (with off course minor alterations to make it fit within a 2 hour movie).
give me the x-men.

anyway it's good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

it's good to know there is a safe haven out there.

[Herr Logan]

Thank you for this thread. I have been looking for a safe "haven" for quite some time. for years the most dangerous (forum) thing you could do is to criticise the X-men. I was so attacked for pointing out the OBVIOUS flaws in the X-men movies that I finally decided not to bother anymore.
You're welcome. I also find it's best not to argue with those overeager sycophants who have little or no capacity for independent thought; not when you can come up with something better with others of like minds.

The truth is that Singer and co. have ruined the X-men franchise. The butchered it, changed it, disrespected it,..to no end.
yes I realize that they did relatively well in the BO. But I am SURE that if they had been handled more faithfully (a al SM) the x movies would have made twice as much. so I consider their results a failure.
It amazed me that we the fans (who are so picky ) have not only allowed these changes to take place,.they've supported it.
worst yet, they attack those of us who point out just had badly they butchered the original material. just how unfaithfull the x movies have been.

I agree with everything except saying that faithful movies would necessarily have doubled sales. I think they'd be about the same either way, but it could be more if better storytelling creating better reviews. Franchises like X-Men don't really need anything but the name and special effects-driven action to put asses in the seats and money in the register. However, that means that a faithful movie would make just as much, but it might be a much better product. That would mean something to not just the fans but a director (and any other filmmaker working on that project) who was truly a fan and wanted to create something remarkable. The main goal would be to create something that honored the source material, stood on its own as a well-made movie (maybe not Citizen Kaine, but I think it's possible to make the American Film Institution's Top 100 movies list if people want it badly enough), and made a lot of money.

I really don't think it would necessarily be that much harder or more expensive to make a more faithful movie. The question would be getting good enough writers to make a good script. For one thing, the source material provides script content by itself, and it would just need a team of people who could pick and choose aspects from continuity and fill in the gaps. Hell, it would be more fun than arduous if you got some real fans in there. Maybe even the original comic book writers could work closely with the project (like Frank Miller did with 'Sin City').

This is truly a case of X.I.N.O
Singer/Arad and fox have changed the stories-(that's not how Rogue and Wolverine met each other then the xmen)
changed each character- my God they destroyed Cyclops. Wolverine is not 6'2 and is NOT the lead role. Storm is WAY off, Magneto is a dottering old man, my God what they did to Jean and phoenix, Iceman, well all of them. Prof X is really the ONLY character they got right,.

No arguments here, except for possibly Magneto, maybe. I thought Magneto was done fairly well in the second and third movies, but I know I'd have casted a younger actor (not that Ian McKellan isn't amazing in his own right) and given him Magneto's red armor from the comics. Also, I'd have put him in a better story overall. Even McKellan's Magneto can't carry a *****ty movie to greatness by himself, or with help from a poorly written Xavier played by another formidable actor.

Extra emphasis on Wolverine not being 6'2"; if they can't cast a short actor-- or alter his appearance with special effects-- and put him in a relatively faithful costume and still make him impressive on-screen, then they have no business using the character in the first place. You either have the will and the means to do the job right, or you don't.

there is no much that is not faithtfull that it would take too long for this post.
Indeed. Probably best to move on to describing how you'd do it differently.

... besides this being the safe haven I'm sure everyone here already sees just how much they disregarded the source material.
what I find interesting though is that it seems that even some of us have been affected by the "X-men must be changed" bug. I have not read all the posts here, (I will), but looking at the pictures of examples of the costumes people are asking for HERE, I am getting the same basic approach that Singer took.
let's change it.
Why?
I'm in favor of darkening most of the bright colors in the X-Men's costumes somewhat and making a few specific changes (ex. Nightcrawler shouldn't have white on his uniform because he specifically is supposed to be able to blend into shadows; all the characters who wear "super-trunks" will actually be wearing custom-made rappelling harnesses built into a trunks-like, armored garment), but for the most part, I'm all for faithful costumes. The trick is to compromise enough to satisfy our own tastes, not the mythical "general audience's." The pro-studio conformists usually don't have a clue what a faithful costume would look like in live action, but a lot of pro-source material fans don't, either. I can imagine some things (ex. Wolverine in a darkened brown and orange costume, complete with mask) but not others, so I leave certain things open for the time being. But in any case, the method by which true fans should choose the costumes used in movies (hypothetically, of course) is to try to visualize what it would look like and find any explanation they can to justify using faithful, colorful costumes. It doesn't even have to be a very good explanation, because there's going to be a lot of things that require suspension of disbelief, and all that is truly needed is a nudge in that direction. People know they're going to see a superhero movie when they go to see 'X-Men,' so there's no point in pretending it's something it's not.


As for Abaddon foolishly and tastelessly choosing 'Ultimate X-Men' costumes for his hypothetical movie over the originals, I only put up with that because he's been contributing for most of the duration of the original Safe Haven's (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189562) existence and he's the first and only person to contribute to my Spider-Man Save Haven (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232433). He gets a little leeway because of that. :o

To me, the X-men should take the same approach Spider-man did.
do the costumes from the comics. As they appear. Yes make it look good, make it look real make it look cool, but make IT(like SM).
Give me either the original X-men costumes or the new (cockrum/Byrne)x-men costumes.
give me either the original origin or the new x-men origin (with off course minor alterations to make it fit within a 2 hour movie).
give me the x-men.
What do either of those labels mean (ex. "new Cockrum/Byrne costumes" as opposed to "original X-Men costumes"; "original X-Men origin" as opposed to "new X-Men origin")? Is it a matter of which team members are featured in the movie?

I strongly believe that any worthy superhero franchise that has existed in comic book form for more than 40 years and has that many stories to tell should be given 3 hours for every movie. If everything in a single segment can be told in less, fine, but I want that much time for my concepts.

anyway it's good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

it's good to know there is a safe haven out there.

You really come off as a crazed zealot with too much passion for the source material and seem intolerant of any deviations...

...this is the perfect place for you!

Welcome to the Haven! ;) :up:


Try to keep in mind that not all compromises or modifications are necessarily heretical. At least not all of the ones proposed by true fans who don't instantly defend whatever crap the studios throw at them.

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

I'm willing to be flexible with the costumes choices.:o

[Herr Logan]

After doing a partial background check on HoratioRome (stop rolling your eyes at me, Abaddon!), I found this thread (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228957). The thread specifically is about the Incredible Hulk, but the ground rules of the thread make for an interesting way to chisel a movie out of raw source material:


STICK TO THE COMICS AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE! After I read what Horatio had written, I began to think of an idea for a game. And I hope I'm not blasted for it, so please give this game a chance.
Anyways the point of the game is to see if all Hulk fans can agree to some changes.
Ok heres the idea, What if The Hulk movie hadn't been made yet, and the Director named Mr X came to the boards to ask or fan feedback. He explained that the movie would be an origin movie and that it would be base on the The Incredible Hulk #1 comic. Next I will post some rules for this game.
Rlue #1 Any Hulk fan can ask to add or change something in the (The Incredible Hulk #1) comic. As long as no other fan says No or I disagree, that suggestion will be kept in the movie version.

example
first poster: I don't like that Banner wears eyeglasses in the comic. So change that he does not wear eyeglasses in the movie.
secound poster: No. I like that he wears eyeglasses, keep eyeglasses.

So the movie Banner will keep the eyeglasses, because it is closer to the comics.
Thats it for eyeglasses, because one fan said no. All it takes is for one fan to say NO> No one can bring this change again.

Rule #2 No changing villains, because everybody has a favorite villain and I believe we won't agree on this.

Rule #3 If someone suggests a change that no one knows for sure and can't be proved by seeing the comic then we place a ? next to the change.

example
I want to change the Hulk's height to 10ft?
Nobody is sure what height the Hulk is in the comic. ?

Rule 4 The Director Mr X has final say if no two fans agree and neither is closer to the comic, or chooses to keep it like in the comic.

K The reason I didn't go for the Mayority Rules is because I wanted to make it equal for all. NO Mayority ganging on the minority Hulk fans.

The parts in bold are especially applicable. This could be an interesting exercise. I would insist that in a movie such as X-Men, the first movie would contain content from more than just the first issue. I would have at the very least 'Uncanny X-Men' #1 and #4, the former being the premiere issue that establishes the X-Men and Magneto, and the latter being the one that introduces the first Brotherhood of Mutants.

If anyone wants to try this, speak up (and speak up about that other thing I asked you to speak up about earlier while you're at it!!), but let's agree to properly mark each post (in the Title space) that is part of the exercise so we can easily distinguish those posts from other ideas people contribute.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

I'm willing to be flexible with the costumes choices.:o

Some of us aren't. :O


:up:

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

To be honest some of the choices I settled for because I couldn't find any good pics of the costumes I wanted.(Mainly Colossus and Nightcrawler).:(

[Herr Logan]

To be honest some of the choices I settled for because I couldn't find any good pics of the costumes I wanted.(Mainly Colossus and Nightcrawler).:(

Are you looking for their original costumes?

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

Are you looking for their original costumes?

:wolverine


Nope.Something similar,but still "modern".

[Zev]

Not that anyone cares, but I actually liked X-Men: The Last Stand. It was pretty upfront and open about being proud to be a comic book movie (if that makes any sense), and wasn't shy about having the majority of it's "that's so cooool!" moments come straight from the comics. I think it's probably because Brett Ratner's more of a comic book fan than Bryan Singer. But c'mon, he put Kitty Pryde in ice skates and finally had Magneto start acting like a terrorist instead of a friendly supervillain who occasionally tries to commit genocide.

Anyhoo, long as I'm here, thought I'd post the start of a randomish fic based on some of Herr's suggestions. Here's what I've got so far, if anyone's интересовать.




EXT. RUSSIAN KOLKHOZ – EVENING

OPEN ON a statue of Stalin, gesturing in a visionary yet compassionate way. Instead of the expected sweeping Russian orchestra, we hear (incongruously enough) HIP-HOP MUSIC. PAN DOWN to reveal the decay that has permeated it. Further down we see the top of a WHEATFIELD. On the distant side of the statue, a THRESHER passes by, cutting the wheat.

In the foreground, PIOTR RASPUTIN walks by, pushing a PLOW. Big as an bear, strong as an ox. On his shoulders, his little sister, ILLYANA (12) sits. She carries a music player about the size of an iPod, but which puts out a sound equivalent to a ghetto blaster. That’s because this is the future.

PIOTR: (Russian, subtitled) That American music will rot your mind.

ILLYANA: (Russian, subtitled) You’re just mad you can’t understand it.

PIOTR: (Russian, subtitled) Can too.

ILLYANA: (Russian, subtitled) Oh yeah? How?

PIOTR: (Russian, subtitled) I’m your big brother. I know everything.

In the distance, we hear their mother, ALEXANDRA calling.

ALEXANDRA: (O.S., Russian, subtitled) Piotr, Illyana! Come in! Dinner is ready.

PIOTR: (Russian, subtitled) Get going, I’ll finish up here.

Illyana hops down and runs through the field.

INT. RUSSIAN HOUSE – EVENING

Alexandra steps back inside to take a stew off the oven. The father, NICOLAI, is already waiting at the dinner table.

ALEXANDRA: (Russian, subtitled) That boy’s cleared almost half the field. He works more everyday.

NICOLAI: (Russian, subtitled) He gets it from my side of the family.

She playfully slaps him with a washcloth.

EXT. RUSSIAN KOLKHOZ – EVENING

Sweat is beading on Piotr’s face as he finishes the line of wheat he’s cutting down. A drop of it falls on the plow. It makes a metallic TING!

Piotr looks down, confused. The drop is wet and gray, like paint. He prods it experimentally. It smears and even more confusingly REFLECTS him, like a droplet of liquid mirror.

Before Piotr can reflect on this further, he hears a SCREAM. He runs towards the source.

It’s Illyana. She’s pinned under the fallen statue. And a THRESHER is coming towards her. Piotr runs right in, begins straining to lift the statue. He sweats copious amounts of gray as the thresher draws closer. Actually manages to BREAK OFF a section and hurl it aside. But the thresher is too close. He hurls himself over Illyana and throws out a protective arm against the serrated blades of the combine.

Close on his face as the blades touch flesh. There’s a loud NOISE, like an explosion. Piotr, having braced himself for pain, feels nothing. His eyes are squeezed shut.

ILLYANA: (Russian, subtitled) Piotr, your arm…

PIOTR: (Russian, subtitled) Is it bad?

He opens one eye. No, it’s not bad. It’s great, in fact. The blades have DEFORMED against his arm, the metaphorical immovable object. In fact, everything from the elbow down is TINGED METALLIC.

Piotr stands and tries to pull his arm free, sweating even more. He can’t budge his arm. Finally, with one mighty tug, he both pulls his arm free and sends the combine sailing away towards the horizon. He is now FULLY METAL, coated in the now-dry LIQUID METAL SWEAT. A human COLOSSUS. Illyana’s awestruck expression is reflected in his shiny face.

ILLYANA: (Russian, subtitled) My brother is a robot!

EXT. ROAD – EVENING

A ROLLS-ROYCE is stopped beside the crashed combine. Two men, one in a wheelchair, and a woman stare at it.

XAVIER: I think we’ve found him.

[kame-sennin]

In case anyone wants a good argument to use against people who automatically and thoughtlessly shoot down the idea of using a more faithful superhero costume than filmmakers are likely to use, read this post.

What post? (I apologize if I blatantly missed it)

[kame-sennin]

Does anyone here think Professor Charles Xavier (the one from the comics, not the de-clawed version in the movies) should get his own feature film?

Thanks for posting Xavier's bio, I didn't know a lot of that stuff. Anyway, I personally would love to see (or write) a series on Xavier. I don't think his life fits into a movie. I also don't think it fits well into a normal tv series, because the setting, characters, and time periods/ages change too often. However, I think an HBO mini-series of this would rock.

[Herr Logan]

What post? (I apologize if I blatantly missed it)
This one. (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8943722#post8943722)

It's not your fault for missing it. For some reason, this was the only thread where that post didn't have the actual link in it. That doesn't make sense, but them's the breaks.

I was so proud of it and no one has commented on it or shown any interest until now.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Not that anyone cares, but I actually liked X-Men: The Last Stand. It was pretty upfront and open about being proud to be a comic book movie (if that makes any sense), and wasn't shy about having the majority of it's "that's so cooool!" moments come straight from the comics. I think it's probably because Brett Ratner's more of a comic book fan than Bryan Singer. But c'mon, he put Kitty Pryde in ice skates and finally had Magneto start acting like a terrorist instead of a friendly supervillain who occasionally tries to commit genocide.

Anyhoo, long as I'm here, thought I'd post the start of a randomish fic based on some of Herr's suggestions. Here's what I've got so far, if anyone's интересовать.




EXT. RUSSIAN KOLKHOZ – EVENING

[Text]

XAVIER: I think we’ve found him.

I think this is great, Zev. :up:

A couple of questions::

1) Is this supposed to take place in an earlier decade? If not, I'm not sure it makes sense to have a statue of Stalin on the Rasputin's farm.
Wait... hip-hop music in Russia?? Yeah, this definitely does not take place in the 70's. Anyway, you may want to check whether that's a plausible occurence (the statue, not the music). Truthfully, I wouldn't know for sure one way or another.

2) is Colossus going to continue to sucrete metallic sweat, or does that only happen when he first exhibits his powers? I personally find the idea disgusting (if he does it whenever he's hot, rather than the one-time deal), but points for creativity regardless. ;) :up:

Thanks much for posting.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Thanks for posting Xavier's bio, I didn't know a lot of that stuff. Anyway, I personally would love to see (or write) a series on Xavier. I don't think his life fits into a movie. I also don't think it fits well into a normal tv series, because the setting, characters, and time periods/ages change too often. However, I think an HBO mini-series of this would rock.

No problem, and thanks for responding to that. :up:

That's a very good idea.
Has HBO ever had a special effects-heavy live-action miniseries (other than maybe some wartime dramas like 'Band of Brothers')? This would definitely have to have a good deal of special effects. Maybe not as much as if it was a movie with the X-Men vs. the Brotherhood of Mutants, but in this story alone there's a little bit of battlefield stuff, the Cyttorak Temple collapsing on Cain, the Astral battle with Shadow King, the town Lucifer was controlling and the showdown between him and Xavier, a fight with Baron von Strucker and Hydra alongside Magneto (if this was a miniseries, I'd have that entire episode recounted in full, whereas I'd abbreviate it in a movie), Amelia Voght's vapor-transformation powers, young Jean Grey's telekinetic outbursts during her therapy with Xavier, the emergence of Scott Summers' powers (the thing with the falling "I"-beam) and Xavier recruiting him, and an all-out battle between the original five X-Men vs. an enraged Juggernaut in the Danger Room.

Hell, I'd be fine with an animated version of this if it was well-written and well-animated. That pretty much goes for all of the properties I want to see translated into movies, but live action is awesome, too, if done properly.
Anyway, I think a miniseries on the life of Charles Xavier would be great. In that format, we should see basically everything that was properly developed in the comics.

:wolverine

[Zev]

I think this is great, Zev. :up:

A couple of questions::

1) Is this supposed to take place in an earlier decade? If not, I'm not sure it makes sense to have a statue of Stalin on the Rasputin's farm.
Wait... hip-hop music in Russia?? Yeah, this definitely does not take place in the 70's. Anyway, you may want to check whether that's a plausible occurence (the statue, not the music). Truthfully, I wouldn't know for sure one way or another.

Well, it's a decaying statue. But this takes place in the "now" (a "near future" kind of now).

2) is Colossus going to continue to sucrete metallic sweat, or does that only happen when he first exhibits his powers? I personally find the idea disgusting (if he does it whenever he's hot, rather than the one-time deal), but points for creativity regardless. ;) :up:

It only happens when he exhibits his powers and so fast that it's hard to tell. It's meant to show that the turning to metal process happens from the inside out, starting somewhere in his guts and happening to his skin through the pores. But once he's got his powers under control, it only happens when he wants them to.

[kame-sennin]

This one. (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8943722#post8943722)

It's not your fault for missing it. For some reason, this was the only thread where that post didn't have the actual link in it. That doesn't make sense, but them's the breaks.

I was so proud of it and no one has commented on it or shown any interest until now.

:wolverine

When I make a good argument and no one answers it - especially if the thread dies alltogether - I just assume it's because my argument is so bulletproof, it is futile to respond ;)

[xmenfan84]

Cool thread idea. I've read a few of the post and I think some of the ideas are great. When I have the time I will read through the rest and hopefully come up with some ideas to match. The first thing that comes to mind for me is picking the right team. While the original 5 would do good, it would lack two of the most popular, Wolverine and Storm. I think the original, plus these two, and add one lesser known character-Banshee, Sunfire, Morph (TAS). That would be a cool team to start out with.

[Herr Logan]

When I make a good argument and no one answers it - especially if the thread dies alltogether - I just assume it's because my argument is so bulletproof, it is futile to respond ;)

Heh! Thanks. ;)

Of course now that you said that, the thread has since been revived. Luckily, it was by someone on our side, and no one has argued against my last post.

Someone did argue against Wolverine wearing a costume in the solo movie, but it was valid and didn't have to do with the larger question of faithful costumes. They said it was a prequel and he didn't have a costume yet, so assuming it's in the continuity of the pre-existing X-Men movies, that correct. Then again, he very well could have worn a costume during his black ops days and didn't remember. I really don't care one way or another, since that obviously isn't the real Wolverine.

I honestly didn't mean to kill The Batman's thread in the first place, though, since he's one of us and has actually advertised this thread, with a warning about the rules.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Well, it's a decaying statue. But this takes place in the "now" (a "near future" kind of now).

Ah, a leftover. Good reason.

It only happens when he exhibits his powers and so fast that it's hard to tell. It's meant to show that the turning to metal process happens from the inside out, starting somewhere in his guts and happening to his skin through the pores. But once he's got his powers under control, it only happens when he wants them to.

That's still pretty disgusting...

...but we'll call it "innovative." ;)

Seriously, though, it's a cool idea. :up:

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Cool thread idea. I've read a few of the post and I think some of the ideas are great. When I have the time I will read through the rest and hopefully come up with some ideas to match. The first thing that comes to mind for me is picking the right team. While the original 5 would do good, it would lack two of the most popular, Wolverine and Storm. I think the original, plus these two, and add one lesser known character-Banshee, Sunfire, Morph (TAS). That would be a cool team to start out with.

Thanks, and Welcome to the Haven!


I bought 'Essential Uncanny X-Men' vol. 1 recently and read through it, and I'm sure that a good action/sci-fi drama could be made just with the original team. Believe me, I've always preferred the "second generation" as well; my first X-Men movie concept started off with Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus and Kitty Pryde., However, the purpose of the Safe Haven chain of threads is to brainstorm movies that are very faithful. Some people do prefer the original five, so I felt obligated to consider it seriously before writing it off. After considering it, I think it's a worthwhile venture to put the first team first, so everyone can get their fair share of screentime and the timeline can stay intact.

In a little while I'll post a basic set-up of my X-Men franchise, at least as much as I've conjured so far.

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

I missed the post earlier,but thanks Aeonflux.:up:

I don't recall apologizing anywhere.:o


Anyways,the story continues at the mansion.Scott is speaking with Hank,Bobby,and Jean and their having a sort of final reunion of sorts.The original team has decided to take a break and find life outside the X-Men.After a brief exchange,Bobby and Hank catch sight of Warren flying outside the window.They leave and Jean talks provately with Scott.He says he knows he wants to stay,and that he's unsure about whether the new team members are ready to take up the mantle.Jean tries to convince him to leave and tells him that theyre older than they were when they were recruited.They understand their abilities better and theyre equally devoted to the cause.She hints at pursuing a relationship with him outside the genetic war.Scott says he still feels he has a responsibility,and Jean comments on him being a soldier to the end.


The point here is to show that Scott,while holding onto his responsibility as a leader,is also a bit insecure.He's not sure there's still a war to be fought over,and that whats happening now will always be there.He wants to be with Jean,but she's determined to experience life outside their world,and though Scott wont admit it,he's afraid of whats out there.He's felt like the Institute is all he's ever known.Its hard for him to imagine not being Cyclops.Of course through the course of the film,he'll learn that theyll always be a need for X-Men,and in future films the other team members will come to accept this as well.Xavier will also come to understand that his X-Men have a right to lead lives outside the mansion,and begins admitting more students in hopes that theyll fill in for the team.



Kitty arrives as a fish out of water,and eventually comes to realize she belongs there.I'm not sure whether or not I'd have some other students alongside her,because it does seem weird that she'd be the only young student there,but I'll get to all that later.

Kitty begins to get settled and meets a few of the other team members:Storm,Colossus,Bobby,and Hank.They all welcome her and speak of how its great to have addition to the Xavier school,etc.

Meanwhile,outside a restaurant we see Senator Kelly get into a limo with some of his other political buddies.They have a light-hearted exhcngae amongst themselves before the Mutant Registration Act is brought up.Kelly reaffirms his position("Its about protecting oursevles","It's putting our lives and our childrens lives at risk",etc.) and most of the others seem to be in agreement.As they turn a corner the ground begins to shake violently sending the vehicle off course.They end up striking a parked car.The driver rolls down his window and apologizes for the accident.He exits to check on the damage,and is followed soon after by one of the men who begins to chew him out.We see the man begin to curse at the driver and complain saying he's reporting him,when a very large shadow nears,looming over them both.After a few seconds the driver is seen jumping into the car and speeding away.Senator Brickman and his wife are tossed about the vehicle and Kelly begins to speak up.The driver turns revealing Toad,who gives the Senator a demented grin.Brickman begins freaking out and Toad responds by using his tongue to open the side door,sending him flying out of the limo.He then pulls the door(with his tongue again) and continues driving recklessly.Kelly begins to dial his cellphone,when Toad makes an abrupt stop.Kelly tries to explain his situation to the police,though with difficulty because of Mallory's screaming,and demands that Toad explain to him whats happening.Toad merely smirks and points up,and as Kelly looks his cell phone begins to shake until it pulls out of his hand.The roof of the limo is then ripped off,and Magneto is seen hovering casually above them.He gives the frightened Senator a greeting and without giving a second thought to the now unconscious Mallory Brickman,tries to escape.Magneto lifts the limo into the air is seen flying away with it(I imagine over a large body of water).

[Herr Logan]

Herr Logan presents:


The UNCANNY X-MEN


Heroes:
Professor X, X-Men: Cyclops, Iceman, the Angel, the Beast, Marvel Girl

Villains:
Magneto, Toad, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Mastermind, Unus the Untouchable

http://www.hillcity-comics.com/poster_misc/CLASSIC_XMEN.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/Brotherhoodkrby.png


Plot:
Title sequence/theme song/comic art
Professor X introduction (Cairo, Egypt)
Charles Xavier has his wallet stolen by young Ororo Munroe and chases her for several blocks into a café;
Meets Amahl Farouk, a crime lord who inspires fear in the local civilians; exchanges words, resolves to oppose Farouk; wages psychic battle; wins.
Origins/recruitments/introductions for X-Men (20 years later)
Cyclops (Nebraska)
Scott Summers runs away from orphanage/state institution;
Blasts crane/cable, makes I-beam fall toward hardhat worker; blasts I-beam, saves hardhat worker; runs away.
Iceman (Long Island, New York)
Bobby Drake is walking at night with his girlfriend, is jumped by several bullies; uses powers to defend himself and girlfriend; is arrested by police;
Father is disappointed in and afraid of Bobby; Professor X and/or Cyclops offers enrollment at Xavier’s.
Beast (Dunfee, Illinois)
Hank McCoy, star player of his high school football team, performs several superhuman feats during a big game; is cheered by many but looked upon with fear and resentment by some fellow teammates and his coach, opposing players and their coach; is called in by school authorities and accused of abusing performance-enhancing drugs;
Hank discusses the situation with his parents, who love and support him despite his mutancy and believe in his integrity; Hank suspects his sports scholarship may be taken away, and parents say they can’t get a loan or an academic scholarship at this time; Professor X, who called ahead the day before, rings doorbell;
Professor Xavier explains that Hank is a mutant; Hank, who is a bona fide genius, has read Xavier’s writings on genetics and agrees the theory is sound; Xavier extends invitation to Hank for his school for his School for Gifted Youngsters.
Angel
Winged silhouette flies through the night sky; gang of thugs attack a young couple; Angel intervenes and thrashes the criminals, saving the victims
Angel flies back to his parents’ penthouse apartment; Cyclops and Beast are waiting for him, they offer a spot at Xavier’s so Warren can become an even better superhero and can live day-to-day without always having to conceal his wings with an uncomfortable harness.
Marvel Girl
Jean Grey's powers emerged at age ten, psychically experienced the death of a friend, became catatonic and could not be helped by several experts; the Greys took Jean to see Dr. Charles Xavier, who brought her out of her catatonia and installed safeguards that blocked her telepathy until she was older and mature enough to handle it;
Jean comes to Xavier’s after graduating high school to join his class and become a superhero; her telekinesis is her primary power, but her telepathy is growing.
Introductions for Brotherhood of Mutants
Mastermind makes unwanted, aggressive advances on the Scarlet Witch; Wanda uses her powers to humiliate Mastermind; Mastermind prepares to retaliate, but Quicksilver intervenes and attacks Mastermind; Toad eggs them on;
Magneto returns to the headquarters, threatens everyone and asserts that only he metes out punishment among them; Quicksilver says he isn’t afraid of Magneto, is only with them in order to protect Wanda while she’s under obligation, and will do whatever is necessary to do so.
Adaptation of 'Uncanny X-Men' #1 (Jean Grey joins; team members mingle and train;
Magneto attacks a military base and is driven off by the X-Men);
Magneto attacks a different base and commandeers nuclear missiles; brings weapons to island base in Bermuda Triangle;
X-Men track down Magneto and attempt to prevent him from launching missiles; Brotherhood of Mutants attack the X-Men to defeat and/or stall them.Conclusion:
X-Men prevent Brotherhood from using nuclear devices and minimizes loss of life at the military base;
Magneto escapes; Mastermind escapes; Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch quit the Brotherhood and escape; the Toad is beaten and left to be arrested; Unus is coerced into surrendering to the authorities by a demonstration of the Beast's invention that amplifies his force field power to a potentially fatal level and the threat that it can be made permanent; Unus and Toad are both incarcerated at the super-max prison built for superhumans known as the Vault.http://www.alexrossart.com/galleries/xmen/full/classicxmen.jpg



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[Herr Logan]

Herr Logan presents:
The UNCANNY X-MEN II



Heroes:
Professor X, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, the Angel, the Beast

Villains:
Bolivar Trask, Stephen Lang, Sentinels, Mastermind, Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, uniformed mercenaries

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Plot (not all of this is listed in strict order, especially the character interacts after the new mutants are recruited and before the Phoenix persona emerges):
Text fades in on black screen that reveals that 5 years after the events of the previous film, four members of the original X-Men team have resigned from active membership and left the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning to pursue relatively “normal” lives while one stayed on as leader of the X-Men, should there be any new members:
Bobby Drake left the Institute to pursue a graduate degree in accounting;
Warren Worthington III inherited his father's multinational, Fortune 500 corporation and left the Institute to fulfill the duties of CEO;
Hank McCoy received a Ph.D. in Biochemistry and left to work at the Brand Corporation, a laboratory research firm;
Jean Grey left the Institute to live in New York City and has begun modeling for fashion magazines;
Scott Summers stayed at the Institute with Professor Xavier to remain the full-time superhero known as Cyclops, field commander of the X-Men;
Xavier recruits new X-Men, with short scenes for Nightcrawler, Wolverine, and Colossus; they begin training together and acclimating to each other, a process that is less than smooth;
In Bavaria, Germany, a
Wolverine has an instant attraction to Jean Grey, while Jean is somewhat attracted but still in love with and faithful to Cyclops; Angel visits the X-Mansion and finds Wolverine aggressively flirting with Jean and shows his animosity, almost starting a brawl;
Storm and Jean become good friends;
Dr. Henry McCoy accidentally causes a permanent secondary mutation in himself that makes him furry and overall more beast-like; he returns to the Xavier school, convinced he can't continue his work as he is;
Most team members are ever so slightly reluctant to spend much time with Nightcrawler, except for the mostly asocial Wolverine (who doesn't spend much time with anyone at all), who isn't the least bit afraid of him; Nightcrawler begins to use a holographic image inducer to mask his unusual appearance, and Wolverine scolds him and shames him into not using the device while in the privacy of the mansion; other X-Men start to warm up to Nightcrawler after he stops using the image inducer and becomes more social, especially Colossus and Storm;
Wolverine asks about the local wildlife, expresses his desire to hunt deer and is rebuked by a disgusted Storm, who doesn't initially realize that Wolverine merely wants to touch the deer after tracking it and stealthily closing distance rather than savagedly kill an innocent deer just for sport; Wolverine suckers Nightcrawler into waging a bet over a drinking contest, with Nightcrawler not realizing that Wolverine's mutant physiology is virtually immune to the effects of alcohol;
Belt buckles with X-Men insignias are handed out to the new team members, but Wolverine refuses to wear his, not wanting to be tied down again, even symbolically;
Bolivar Trask, renowned anthropologist, teams up with Stephen Lang, a robotics expert working for DARPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA), and create a small army of giant robots designed to detect and control mutants
Trask and Lang stage a public demonstration of the Sentinels, with select people allowed to attend, including Professor Xavier and Senator Robert Kelly; no one but Lang knows that the Sentinels are pre-programmed to detect and apprehend/attack mutants, and there are two mutants other than Xavier in attendance, "provoking" the Sentinels into action;
The Sentinels become dangerous and the X-Men, including the Angel and the Beast, intervene; there is a destructive battle and the X-Men destroy the Sentinels;
Many other Sentinels are deployed (either by mistake or because Lang is a maniac and deliberately made it happen) and start combing the city for mutants, apprehending them and making a big, dangerous mess; the X-Men get to the scene and fight those as well;
Sentinel is damaged in such a way that its power source-- a plutonium core-- becomes unstable and is set to explode; Jean Grey tries to muffle the explosion with her telekinesis, and she succeeds, at the cost of becoming completely exhausted and catatonic;
Bolivar Trask is critically wounded while attempting to shut down the Sentinels from the command center-- the Master Mold-- but he succeeds; Stephen Lang escapes capture;
Jean convalesces for a while and then recovers completely within, creating a costume around herself (the green and gold Phoenix uniform) and with her powers on hyper-drive for the forseeable future; the X-Men are relieved but a bit anxious around the new, super-charged Jean; Angel and Beast go back to emergency reserve status;
The X-Men expect more of a backlash from the Sentinel incident from Magneto and other militant mutants, but Magneto has not surfaced yet, and there is an eerie calm in their lives, as if before the storm;
Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Colossus become good friends;
Nightcrawler introduces Colossus to a wide array of movies he likes;
Wolverine and Storm, off to a rocky start, come to an understanding and form a special bond founded on their mutual appreciation for nature, their warrior's spirit and a kind of mutual envy of each other's predisposition for emotionality-- Storm, who must constantly supress her emotions so her powers will not cause catastrophes, envies (as well as fears) Wolverine's habit of giving free reign to his emotions, and Wolverine envies Storm's self-control; throughout the saga (more prominently in the third movie) they have a balancing effect on each other;
Jean is once again a psychotherapy patient of Professor Xavier's, and she reveals strange dreams and feelings that both frighten and entice her;
Jason Wyngarde, a handsome but sleazy man with psionic powers and a vendetta against the X-Men, is petitioning for membership in the Inner Circle of a prestigious, exclusive and risque establishment society-- the Hellfire Club-- which is composed of powerful and rich people who seek more power and, ultimately, global control; Wyngarde conspires with Emma Frost (White Queen of the Inner Circle) to send vivid dreams into the mind of Jean Grey-- dreams of he and Jean in love in the 18th century;
Jean becomes more aggressive in general, to the point of frightening her teammates, and she has taken the codename "Phoenix"; the Hellfire Club is monitoring the Xavier Institute and accessing their files, learning all about the X-Men;
Possibly as a result of the dreams she's been having, Jean begins behaving more aggressively in general; specifically, Jean initiates a sexual encounter with Scott in a very aggressive (but by no means unwanted) manner, both delighting and frightening Scott all at once; Jean also shows off her enhanced powers more and more (ex., she transforms her civilian garb into her costume and vice versa); she at times frightens her teammates
Cerebro detects two unknown mutant signatures-- one in Deerfield, Illinois and one in New York City;
Professor X makes a call and then takes a trip to Deerfield to personally invite Kitty Pryde, an exceptionally intelligent 14 year-old girl whose mutant powers are just awakening-- to enroll in his school; Xavier discovers that a representative from the Massachusetts Academy-- an exclusive boarding prep school-- had invited Kitty just before Xavier did, and the parents are strongly leaning towards sending Kitty there; detecting psychic tampering in the parents, Xavier researches theMassachusetts Academy and finds that Emma Frost owns it; Warren Worthington tells Xavier that she's also a member of the Hellfire Club, of which he is also a member;
Cyclops, Phoenix and Nightcrawler scout the downtown nightclub where Allison Blair--a mutant musician whose stage name is Dazzler-- is performing live; Wyngarde meets Jean at the club and kisses her in front of Cyclops, provoking Cyclops into laying hands on him, and then disappears; outside of the rear exit, Hellfire thugs attempt to kidnap Dazzler and are foiled by the X-Men; Jean catches a stray thought from a thug and gets a lead;
Phoenix creates a lasting psychic rapport with Cyclops; the X-Men plan a covert intrusion into the Hellfire Club during a high-profile event, obtaining formal invitations from the Angel, who is a member of the Club through inheritance; Wolverine and Nightcrawler make an insertion through the sewer system, Wolverine strips the insulation of wires that could short-circuit the Club's electricity if the severe thunderstorm causes the water to rise; Beast and Professor X monitor the situation from outside the club; Cyclops, Phoenix, Storm and Colossus enter through the front entrance in formal-wear;
Phoenix, who is charged with performing psychic reconnaissance, runs into Jason Wyngarde and follows him upstairs, only to come back down in a new outfit and attack Cyclops, Colossus and Storm; the guests at the Club start to flee; Wolverine and Nightcrawler join their teammates, and the X-Men are accosted by the rest of the Inner Circle-- Sebastian Shaw, Donald Pierce, Harry Leland and Emma Frost; the X-Men, thanks to Phoenix are beaten and taken captive with collars that inhibit superpowers, save for Wolverine, who was crushed through every floor of the building by Harry Leland and presumed dead; Jean Grey is named Black Queen by Sebastian Shaw, and Jason Wyngarde's membership in the Inner Circle seems inevitable; Cyclops and Jason Wyngarde, who reveals himself to Cyclops as Mastermind, who are transported to the Astral Plane by the White Queen and duel with swords, with Mastermind coming out the victor, but Cyclops survives the psychic shock somehow;
Wolverine, alive, back in the sewers and in a mood for mayhem, makes his way back to the upper floors of the Club, ruthlessly slashing, beating and maiming the mercenaries in his way;
Phoenix surreptitiously unlocks the ruby-quartz-lined helmet that was put on Cyclops, whom waits for the right moment to shake off the helmet, attack the Inner Circle and free his teammates; the right moment happens when Wolverine bursts through the doors with several guards latching onto him (guards he hasn't killed or injured because they are legitimate security, not hardcore mercenaries), inadvertently providing a distraction; Phoenix attacks Wolverine while Cyclops breaks out of his helmet, stuns a few of his captors and then blasts the restraints off his teammates; the X-Men once again battle the Inner Circle, but Phoenix is on their side now, only having faked her attack on Wolverine; Phoenix attacks Emma Frost, breaks all of her lasting links to other minds (including the Prydes') and leaves her unconscious; Cyclops puts Sebastian Shaw on a lower floor by destroying several floors underneath him, Nightcrawler keeps him off-balance and then Storm neutralizes him, ultimately driving him off; Colossus, after being attacked while in human form, transforms and breaks Donald Pierce's cybernetic arm; Wolverine attacks Harry Leland, driving him into the basement where his fate is unknown; Mastermind causes the fleeing civilian guests to perceive Cyclops as attacking them instead of trying to reassure them; the water level in the sewers rises and touches the exposed wires that Wolverine stripped, cutting the power; the X-Men take the opportunity to slip away, since most of the Hellfire Inner Circle have escaped and there is no legal evidence against them anyway; before she leaves, Phoenix confronts a fleeing Mastermind and injects his mind with an immense amount of psychic content, meant to show his mind everything that Jean can see with her amazing power-- Mastermind can't handle it, returns to his true form and goes into a catatonic state;\http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2004/nov17/darkphoenix.jpg

The X-Men return to their jet in Central Park, but Phoenix's dark side has fully taken on a life of its own despite the rest of her personality and has another power outburst that tears the craft to shreds and alters her garb once again to be a red and gold version of her previous X-Men uniform, then she attacks and battles all of the X-Men with the X-Men at the disadvantage; as a show of force, Phoenix destroys several buildings full of people around the city in between fighting;
The Beast comes into the fray with a specially crafted device (much like he did in the last film with Unus), that he built as a contingency, meant to scramble Phoenix's mind enough to put her under control, and it works for a moment; Wolverine takes the opportunity to tackle Jean and is about to skewer her to save the X-Men and all the innocents she may endanger, but when she asks him to do it, he can't go through with it and gets blasted as he hesitates; Professor X shows up and challenges Phoenix to a battle on the Astral Plane; Xavier wins the battle against the dark side of Jean Grey's consciousness, inhibiting it for the time being; Jean, having regained control, chooses to destroy herself so that her darker nature can't return to hurt innocents or the people she loves; Cyclops and Xavier beg her not to do it, but she does it anyway after telling the X-Men that she loves them all and treasure the time they had together-- she tells Cyclops that she knows they will be together again; Cyclops screams with rage and sadness;
Wolverine leaves without saying goodbye; there's a funeral for Jean Grey, after which the Angel and Beast decide to quit the X-Men for good; Cyclops takes a leave of absence from which he may not return;
Professor X appoints Storm acting leader of the X-Men until Cyclops returns (if he does); Xavier receives word that the Prydes-- now free from the White Queen's psychic influence-- are enrolling Kitty in the school; Warren Worthington III, while having quit the X-Men, announces to the public that he is a mutant, swearing off his concealment harness and showing his wings to the world;
A week or so after Jean's death, Wolverine comes back to the mansion early in the morning (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9236890#post9236890), undetected by all non-telepathic members, sneaks into Nightcrawler's room to rudely awaken him, challenges him to a combat training session in the Danger Room on the condition that "the loser buys the beer," and is now wearing an X-Men belt buckle, signifying his willing allegiance to the X-Men.http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2004/nov17/darkphoenixsaga.jpg

[Abaddon]

Pretty damn cool.:up::up::up:










However,how long would make that movie?:p

[Herr Logan]

Pretty damn cool.:up::up::up:
Thank ye kindly. :)

I was originally going to skip the Phoenix thing altogether and move onto the Mystique's Brotherhood era of continuity, but after seeing the third X-Men movie, I figure it's my duty to do the Phoenix Saga at least some justice, even if it's only an imaginary movie.
This gives the second generation more time to acclimate to each other, Angel and Beast more screentime, and makes it not as inexplicable that Cyclops is leading the X-Men but Jean is nowhere in sight or is just playing civilian.

However,how long would make that movie?:p
Hopefully it wouldn't have to be more than three hours to fit it all in, but if did... as Movie!Magneto said in 'X-Men', "...by any means necessary." :o

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

Thank ye kindly. :)

I was originally going to skip the Phoenix thing altogether and move onto the Mystique's Brotherhood era of continuity, but after seeing the third X-Men movie, I figure it's my duty to do the Phoenix Saga at least some justice, even if it's only an imaginary movie.
This gives the second generation more time to acclimate to each other, Angel and Beast more screentime, and makes it not as inexplicable that Cyclops is leading the X-Men but Jean is nowhere in sight or is just playing civilian.


Hopefully it wouldn't have to be more than three hours to fit it all in, but if did... as Movie!Magneto said in 'X-Men', "...by any means necessary." :o

:wolverine


Psychic theif!:mad:


I'm actually planning on covering Mystique's Brotherhood in my sequel.Also,in my previous X-treatment I was planning on covering the Phoenix Sagain a similar way in the second film,including having Lang and Trask work together.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Psychic theif!:mad:


I'm actually planning on covering Mystique's Brotherhood in my sequel.Also,in my previous X-treatment I was planning on covering the Phoenix Sagain a similar way in the second film,including having Lang and Trask work together.


Really??

Hmm...

How do I kow you're not the psychic thief?! :mad:

:wolverine

[Abaddon]

Really??

Hmm...

How do I kow you're not the psychic thief?! :mad:

:wolverine


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/DrawingHands.jpg/716px-DrawingHands.jpg

[Jakomus]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/DrawingHands.jpg/716px-DrawingHands.jpgThis reminds me of a snake eating itself.

[Herr Logan]

This reminds me of a snake eating itself.

Abaddon in general reminds me of a snake eating itself. :)


:wolverine

[Head>On<Collider]

Part 1 of Mark's Rant on X-Men: Last Stand
CYCLOPS' BASTARDIZATION


Poor old Cyclops never even had any kind of shining moment in any of these films. He was never portrayed as a leader in any way, but as an object of disrespect all around. I was at least hoping for something this time around, but nothing. Not even a scene of confronting Jean; he never even had a chance to ask "what has happened to you?" The LEAST they could've done was have him have to choose for the higher good to possibly begin what Wolverine finished in the end. I assume that Fox wanted to avoid making him play the kind of role that Mace Windu played in SW3....!? I don't know..... . but all I'm friggin' asking for was for them to make him go down in a somewhat blaze of glory. As hining moment that defined who he really was. All he did was open his eyes and looked at Jean with his own eyes for the first time (which would be fine if it followed more than just that)..... to top it off, Jean runs off and tries to get it on with Wolverine. That just sucks. He became even more pathetic. I thought the movie somewhat started off on a bad note as of that portion of it. Furthermore, it seemed as if they just wanted to write him out of the movie early the same way Chrissy got written out of Three's Company. Am I alone on this one? Anyway, it even could've worked had he gone through some adventures to find Jean..... something damnit!!!! I can't see how Cyclops fans wouldn't feel utterly cheated.

[Zev]

Well, he did get to take out Magneto in the first movie.

[xmenfan84]

X-Men Movie Franchise


The Uncanny X-Men

Heroes:
Professor X
X-Men: Cyclops, Iceman, the Angel, the Beast, Marvel Girl

Villains:
Brotherhood of Mutants: Magneto, Toad, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Mastermind, Unus the Untouchable

Plot:

Partial origins for team members, Xavier, Magneto
Adaptation of 'Uncanny X-Men' #1 (Jean Grey joins; team members mingle and train; Magneto attacks a military base and is driven off by the X-Men);
Magneto attacks a different base and commandeers nuclear missiles; has Brotherhood of Mutants attack the X-Men to defeat or at least stall them)Conclusion:

X-Men prevent Brotherhood from using nuclear devices and minimizes loss of life at the military base;
Magneto escapes; Mastermind escapes; Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch quit the Brotherhood and escape; the Toad is beaten and left to be arrested; Unus is coerced into surrendering to the authorities by a demonstration of the Beast's invention that amplifies his force field power to a potentially fatal level and the threat that it can be made permanent; Unus and Toad are both incarcerated at the super-max prison built for superhumans known as the Vault.:wolverine

Thats very good. Thats a very good idea to make the first half of the movie origin tales, it helps the audience bond with the characters. Its also good to see them interact, especially in the first movie. That is something these movies missed.

[xmenfan84]

X-Men Movie Franchise


The Uncanny X-Men 2

Heroes:
Professor X
X-Men: Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Banshee
Reserve X-Men: the Angel, the Beast, Iceman

Villains:
Bolivar Trask, Stephen Lang, the Sentinels
Hellfire Club: Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Harry Leland, Donald Pierce, uniformed mercenaries
Prospective Hellfire: Mastermind

Plot:

Iceman leaves the Xavier Institute to attend college, the Beast and the Angel quit full-time membership and pursue their own interests; the Angel takes charge of his father's company; the Beast receives M.D. and Ph.D. degrees, works in a private lab corporation, accidentally causes a permanent secondary mutation in himself that makes him furry and overall more beast-like; Marvel Girl becomes part-time as well, but spends more time at the Institute because Cyclops remains full-time and field commander;
Xavier recruits new X-Men, with short scenes for Nightcrawler, Wolverine, and Storm;
Bolivar Trask, renowned anthropologist, teams up with Stephen Lang, a robotics expert working for DARPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA), and create a small army of giant robots designed to detect and control mutants
Trask and Lang stage a public demonstration of the Sentinels, with select people allowed to attend, including Professor Xavier and Senator Robert Kelly; no one but Lang knows that the Sentinels are pre-programmed to detect and apprehend/attack mutants, and there are two mutants other than Xavier in attendance, "provoking" the Sentinels into action;
The Sentinels become dangerous and the X-Men intervene; there is a quick but destructive battle and the Sentinels there are destroyed;
Many other Sentinels deployed (either by mistake or because Lang is a maniac and secretly made it happen) and start combing the city for mutants, apprehending them and making a big, dangerous mess; the X-Men get to the scene and fight those as well; Banshee strains his vocal chords and is subsequently out of action; a Sentinel is damaged in such a way that its power source-- a plutonium core-- becomes unstable and is set to explode; Jean Grey tries to muffle the explosion with her telekinesis, and she succeeds, at the cost of becoming completely exhausted and catatonic; Bolivar Trask is critically wounded while attempting to shut down the Sentinels from the command center-- the Master Mold-- but he succeeds; Stephen Lang escapes capture;
Jean convalesces for a while and then recovers completely in an instant, creating a costume around herself (the green and gold Phoenix uniform) and with her powers apparently on permanent hyper-drive; the X-Men are relieved but a bit anxious around the new, super-charged Jean; Banshee, still disabled vocally, retires from the X-Men and from crime-fighting in general; Angel and Beast go back to emergency reserve status; the X-Men expect a backlash from the Sentinel incident from Magneto and other militant mutants, but there is an eerie calm in their lives; Wolverine, Nightcrawler and Colossus become good friends; Wolverine and Storm, off to a rocky start, come to an understanding and become good friends; Jean is once again a psychotherapy patient of Professor Xavier's, and she reveals strange dreams and feelings;
Jason Wyngarde , a handsome but sleazy man with psionic powers, petitions for membership in the Inner Circle of a prestigious and exclusive society club-- the Hellfire Club-- which is composed of powerful people who seek more power and ultimately, global control; Wyngarde conspires with Emma Frost (White Queen of the Inner Circle) to send vivid dreams into the mind of Jean Grey-- dreams of he and Jean in love in the 18th century; Jean becomes more aggressive in general, to the point of frightening all of her teammates, and she has taken the codename "Phoenix"; the Hellfire Club is monitoring the Xavier Institute and accessing their files, learning all about the X-Men;
Cyclops, Phoenix and Nightcrawler scout a downtown nightclub where Allison Blair--a mutant musician whose stage name is Dazzler-- is performing live; Wyngarde meets Jean at the club and kisses her in front of Cyclops, provoking Cyclops into laying hands on him, and then disappears; outside of the rear exit, Hellfire thugs attempt to kidnap Dazzler and are foiled by the X-Men; Jean catches a stray thought from a thug and gets a lead;
Phoenix creates a lasting psychic rapport with Cyclops; the X-Men plan a covert intrusion into the Hellfire Club during a high-profile event, obtaining formal invitations from the Angel, who is a member of the Club through inheritance; Wolverine and Nightcrawler make an insertion through the sewer system, Wolverine strips the insulation of wires that could short-circuit the Club's electricity if the severe thunderstorm causes the water to rise; Beast and Professor X monitor the situation from outside the club; Cyclops, Phoenix, Storm and Colossus enter through the front entrance in formal-wear;
Phoenix, who is charged with performing psychic reconnaissance, runs into Jason Wyngarde and follows him upstairs, only to come back down in a new outfit and attack Cyclops, Colossus and Storm; the guests at the Club start to flee; Wolverine and Nightcrawler join their teammates, and the X-Men are accosted by the rest of the Inner Circle-- Sebastian Shaw, Donald Pierce, Harry Leland and Emma Frost; the X-Men, thanks to Phoenix are beaten and taken captive with collars that inhibit superpowers, save for Wolverine, who was crushed through every floor of the building by Harry Leland and presumed dead; Jean Grey is named Black Queen by Sebastian Shaw, and Jason Wyngarde's membership in the Inner Circle seems inevitable; Cyclops and Jason Wyngarde, who reveals himself to Cyclops as Mastermind, who are transported to the Astral Plane by the White Queen and duel with swords, with Mastermind coming out the victor, but Cyclops survives the psychic shock somehow;
Wolverine, alive, back in the sewers and in a mood for mayhem, makes his way back to the upper floors of the Club, ruthlessly slashing, beating and maiming the mercenaries in his way; Phoenix surreptitiously unlocks the ruby-quartz-lined helmet that was put on Cyclops, whom waits for the right moment to shake off the helmet, attack the Inner Circle and free his teammates;
The right moment happens when Wolverine bursts through the doors with several guards latching onto him (guards he hasn't killed or injured because they are legitimate security, not hardcore mercenaries), inadvertently providing a distraction; Phoenix attacks Wolverine while Cyclops breaks out of his helmet, stuns a few of his captors and then blasts the restraints off his teammates; the X-Men once again battle the Inner Circle, but Phoenix is on their side now, only having faked her attack on Wolverine; Phoenix attacks Emma Frost and leaves her unconscious; Cyclops puts Sebastian Shaw on a lower level by destroying several floors underneath him, Nightcrawler keeps him off-balance and then Storm neutralizes him, ultimately driving him off; Colussus, after being attacked while in human form, transforms and breaks Donald Pierce's cybernetic arm; Wolverine attacks Harry Leland, driving him into the basement where his fate is unknown; Mastermind causes the fleeing civilian guests to perceive Cyclops as attacking them instead of trying to reassure them; the water level in the sewers rises and touches the exposed wires that Wolverine stripped, cutting the power; the X-Men take the opportunity to slip away, since most of the Hellfire Inner Circle have escaped and there is no legal evidence against them anyway; before she leaves, Phoenix confronts a fleeing Mastermind and injects his mind with an immense amount of psychic content, meant to show his mind everything that Jean can see with her amazing power-- Mastermind can't handle it, returns to his true form and goes into a catatonic state;
The X-Men return to their jet in Central Park, but Phoenix's dark side has fully taken on a life of its own despite the rest of her personality and has another power outburst that tears the craft to shreds and alters her garb once again to be a red and gold version of her previous X-Men uniform, then she attacks the X-Men; she starts blasting buildings around the city and battles the all of the X-Men, including Beast, with the X-Men at the disadvantage; Beast has come into the fray with a specially crafted device (much like he did in the last film with Unus) meant to scramble Phoenix's mind enough to put her under control, and it works for a moment; Wolverine takes the opportunity to tackle Jean and is about to skewer her to save the X-Men and all the innocents she may endanger, but when she asks him to do it, he can't go through with it; Professor X shows up and challenges Phoenix to a battle on the Astral Plane; Xavier wins the battle against the dark side of Jean Grey's consciousness, inhibiting it for the time being; Jean, having regained control, chooses to destroy herself so that her darker nature can't return to hurt innocents or the people she loves.
The X-Men are all bereaved, and Angel and Beast decide to quit for good;, Cyclops considers leaving the X-Men and takes a vacation that may or may not end with him returning to the team.
Cerebro detects a new mutant power signature in Deerfield, Illinois, emanating from a young teenager named Katherine Pryde. Xavier asks Colossus, Storm and Wolverine if they'll accompany him to Illinois where he will meet with the parents of this young mutant and try to offer her a place at the Xavier Institute for Gifted Youngers.


Up next, Uncanny X-Men 3, where Cyclops is still leading, now with more broodiness than ever!

:wolverine


Another great idea. I like the mixing of sentinels with Phoenix. One thing I think would be cool to see would be Phoenix vs Dozens of Sentinels; the sheer size and power of that conflict would be awesome. The Hellfire Club and Central Park battles remind me of TAS.

[Herr Logan]

Part 1 of Mark's Rant on X-Men: Last Stand
CYCLOPS' BASTARDIZATION


Poor old Cyclops never even had any kind of shining moment in any of these films. He was never portrayed as a leader in any way, but as an object of disrespect all around. I was at least hoping for something this time around, but nothing. Not even a scene of confronting Jean; he never even had a chance to ask "what has happened to you?" The LEAST they could've done was have him have to choose for the higher good to possibly begin what Wolverine finished in the end. I assume that Fox wanted to avoid making him play the kind of role that Mace Windu played in SW3....!? I don't know..... . but all I'm friggin' asking for was for them to make him go down in a somewhat blaze of glory. As hining moment that defined who he really was. All he did was open his eyes and looked at Jean with his own eyes for the first time (which would be fine if it followed more than just that)..... to top it off, Jean runs off and tries to get it on with Wolverine. That just sucks. He became even more pathetic. I thought the movie somewhat started off on a bad note as of that portion of it. Furthermore, it seemed as if they just wanted to write him out of the movie early the same way Chrissy got written out of Three's Company. Am I alone on this one? Anyway, it even could've worked had he gone through some adventures to find Jean..... something damnit!!!! I can't see how Cyclops fans wouldn't feel utterly cheated.

HOC in the house! Welcome back to the Haven, man. :up:

Ah, how I've missed your rants. I agree with pretty much all of that, except I wasn't expecting anything decent out of Movie!Cyclops' role even before I heard all the spoilers and read the novelization (I bought that purely for lavatory reading, mind you). They screwed him over from day one, and did so even more in 'X-Men 2.' I was actually hoping the rumors of Movie!Cyclops dying toward the beginning were true, since we'd be spared the insult of watching a piss-poor rendition sour the memory of the real Cyclops who used to be written well many years ago. I find Cyclops to be usless in pretty much every current version of him, but if they had done the movies right, they could have captured what he used to be.
Bottom line, I share your anger, but I didn't expect any better than what we got after the first movie.


My imaginary version has Cyclops live up to his reputation, leading the X-Men on the battlefield and showing some passionate feelings toward a Jean Grey that actually loves him back (unlike in the movies).

In my ideal franchise, Cyclops still probably wouldn't be the majority of viewers' number one favorite character, but that's how it usually was with comic fans, anyway. He was never my favorite, but when I read good stories about him doing his job, I certainly respected the character. I certainly wouldn't make the Cyclops/Jean relationship the center of the first movie, but I'd give it its due instead of passing it over. Even in the second, where Wolverine is there and takes a strong interest in Jean, there will never be a time when she shows more attraction to Wolverine than Cyclops. She kisses only two people: Cyclops, and that sleazy creep Mastermind (that's what happened in the real Phoenix Saga, so there you go). And of course Hank McCoy kissed her unexpectedly in the first movie, earning him a free telekinetically powered thrill ride around the room.

I'm currently working on an outline for my third ideal Uncanny X-Men movie, and I'm actually bit torn on whether Cyclops should be the leader through most of the movie. It would be nice to see Storm get her chance to lead, with Wolverine as her deputy field commander. Cyclops could actually sit that movie out afterall, and he'd be back in the fourth movie with the rest of the original team (possibly including Jean Grey).

Here's a possible idea for Jean Grey coming back:
Mr. Sinister might be the main villain of the fourth movie. What I'm about to suggest would be a pretty drastic deviation from the source material (as were some of the elements of my second movie outline, truthfully), so if anyone thinks it's straying too far, I won't insist. Okay, so Jean Grey, who successfully contained a nuclear explosion in the second film and almost died because of it, would have been switched with a clone while recuperating at the hospital by Mr. Sinister. The clone was like Jean in almost every way, but either some flaw (or deliberate alteration) allowed her to become more easily corrupted by Mastermind's manipulations, or that's what might have happened anyway because of the shock to her psyche the nuclear explosion caused. Either way, the real Jean Grey has been in a coma for years, kept as a research subject by Sinister, and she would revive in the fourth movie and return (or be returned) to the X-Men. She is still far stronger than she was in the first movie, but not out of control like the Phoenix persona projected by the clone was.
Professor Xavier and the Dr. Hank "Beast" McCoy put her through rigorous examinations to discern whether she is truly Jean Grey (matching her against her previous medical records from before the Phoenix incident) and whether she is healthy and free of mind tampering. She gets a clean bill of health and chooses to go back to active status with the X-Men.

Thoughts?

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Thats very good. Thats a very good idea to make the first half of the movie origin tales, it helps the audience bond with the characters. Its also good to see them interact, especially in the first movie. That is something these movies missed.

Thank you.

Exactly, I would have there be a decent amount of socializing and generally showing what the routine at the Xavier Institute is like, especially the adventurer/hero aspects. There would be less emphasis on this in the second movie, as there is a lot going on there and the new X-Men still have their emotional walls up around each other, but by the third movie, the second team is socializing more and have forged closer bonds, making them more like the original team.

Another great idea. I like the mixing of sentinels with Phoenix. One thing I think would be cool to see would be Phoenix vs Dozens of Sentinels; the sheer size and power of that conflict would be awesome. The Hellfire Club and Central Park battles remind me of TAS.

The Hellfire Club and Central Park battles were in the comics as well, adapted relatively faithfully in TAS. The main differences there are that instead of Beast and Rogue, there was Nightcrawler and Colossus.

:wolverine

[The Batman]

The Uncanny X-Men

Plot: Basically, the sequel to my original X-Flick. It's been a year since the events of the first one, and due to the antics of magneto and the brotherhood, anti-mutant sentiments are at a fever pitch. Leading the charge is William Stryker, a religious Zealot who's been spreading anti mutant propaganda. He's also been plotting to destroy mutantkind, first using mutant mercenaries called the marauders to wipe out the morlocks underneath the sewers in NYC, and then using Charles Xavier and cerebro to kill every mutant on earth. The movie is a commentary on todays society, showing how far people will go when they hate a group of people enough.

Returning Characters

Cyclops: Scott has become a more confident leader since the first flick, mainly due to his relationship with Jean. He's become cool in the face of danger, scaring his fellow X-Men sometimes.

Wolverine: Logan becomes less homicidal, and a little bit more like a team player. He's giving Scott less of a hard time, but has harsh feelings towards him because he's dating Jean. We see him starting to experience painful flashbacks of his weapon X origins.

Marvel Girl: Jean's becomes more experienced, her powers growing more and more quickly. In the film, there's even flashes of Phoenix. In the end, she makes a difficult sacrifice that sets up the events of the third flick.

Storm: Ororo dosent really go through any major changes in my story. She's basically the same as she is in the first one. We focus on the sisterhood between her and Jean, however.

Beast: Hank's not in the combat stuff in this film. He's one of the representatives of the Xavier institute. I have an idea for a scene where Hank and Stryker debate on TV.

Rogue: She gets more confident and more like her comics version in this one. She's also showing signs of Secondary mutation. She feels like she's getting stronger. She can take more damage, and there are tiny hints of flight.

Iceman: Bobby's trying to make light of the current events, and he gets yelled at by his fellow X-Men. He's forced to grow up a little bit.

ShadowCat: She's visibly distraught by the current events, and it may be too much for her to handle. She dosent understand why humans hate them so much. She takes comfort in Colossus.

Colossus: I admit....i may not develop him so much character wise, but you can bet your ass he sees some action. Basically, I have an idea that asks "What if, in X2, Colossus stayed in the mansion with Wolverine?"

New Characters

Nightcrawler: He dosent play much of a role, only to show an idea of how much people hate mutants. When we meet him, he's on the run from a mob in Germany, when he's saved by Storm and Jean.

Villains

William Stryker: Pretty much the comics version. He's smart, and knows how to play on the fears of humans. He implies heavily that he killed his wife and son because he was a mutant child. He uses his vast fortune to secretly fund the marauders, which he sees as a necessity.

Marauders: The mutant mercenaries hired by Stryker. They dont even know Stryker hired them. All they know is that they have to eradicate the morlocks living underground. The group includes Arclight, Scrambler, Vertigo, Scalphunter, Riptide, Prism, Malice, Harpoon, and Blockbuster.

Deadpool: The leader of the Mauraders. The same crazy sumbtich we know and love. He battles Wolverine at the end.

Storyline

*The movie begins with a man killing his wife and child. We then find out that the child is a mutant. Prof X has a voiceover about the way people have discriminated others, and how hatred can lead to terrible desturction.

*We then see Beast and William Stryker debate on live TV. We clearly see the people favor stryker, with bystanders throwing broken glass at Hank.

*Then, we see a Danger Room excercize, where the team is working together. After the battle, Scott and Jean flirt a little on the battle field, then exchange a kiss. Logan is clearly upset, and Storm notices. They have a heartfelt conversation about the situation.

*Professor X calls in the team for a meeting on the astral plane. The setting is a carnival. Charles gives them some orders. Charles tells Scott that there's a disturbance happening in NYC, and that he can take Rogue, Shadowcat, and Iceman as a little training course. Jean and Storm go to munich to save Nightcrawler, while Logan and Pete stay home and defend the school.


*The disturbance in NYC is a trap. Cyclops, Iceman, Shadowcat, and Rogue get ambushed by some of the maruaders. They barely manage to escape.

*At the mansion, Soldiers, led by Deadpool, attack the school. Some students are killed, while most flee. Colossus and Wolverine stay to fight off the soldiers. Deadpool manages to soundly beat both, and they escape with Charles and Cerebro.

*The X-Men meet up in the X-Jet. They figure Stryker has something to do with this, and decide to confront him head on on television. When this happens, the X-Men get bashed brutally, especially Nightcrawler. Humiliated, they escape. They decide to go underground until they can think up a plan.

*Then, we cut to the morlocks. we show who they are and what they're about. The Marauders are closing in on them. We establish Callisto as the leader of the morlocks.

*The massacre happens, the most brutal thing in comic film. Mutants are killed left and right, without remorse. Callisto barely escapes with a few morlocks.

*The X-Men arrive in the sewers, to see the horror. Callisto lashes out at them for not being there sooner, and take them captive. Here, Kitty shares a moment with Colossus, Logan talks to Jean about his feelings, and Scott and Ororo plan an escape. Ororo decides to fight Callisto, hand to hand, for their freedom. Ororo wins, stabbing Callisto in the heart. The X-Men are shocked.

*Here, the climax of the film comes. The X-Men find Strykers secret base. Nightcrawler goes in, teleporting around and taking out guards in badass fashion. The X-Men barge in, and the climatic battle between the marauders and X-Men occur. Wolverine and Deadpool face off in vicious battle, as deadpool teases logan about his past.

*After the X-Men win, Xavier starts killing all the mutants with dark cerebro. He's being mindcontrolled. While this is happening, Stryker tries to kill Kitty, but Wolverine musters enough strength to kill the bastard. Jean goes to the astral, plane, and stops charles from killing the mutants.

*After trying to escape, they find out the base is self destructing, with the entrances locking down. They all manage to escape, save for Jean, who sacrifices herself to fight off the marauders chasing after them.

*The movie ends with Scott and Charles talking about Jean.

I'm thinking about revising this, too....

[The Batman]

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[Herr Logan]

The Uncanny X-Men

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I'm thinking about revising this, too....

Sounds good.

Your first movie is in in the other thread, right? Should I check through the links on page one of this one, or do you know which page it's on in the other one? I'll be able to see the bigger picture of your franchise once I re-read the first part.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

The Batman:

Ooh! Did you make those yourself, or is there a webpage where there's a lot of these?

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

The Uncanny X-Men
A Herr Logan Production


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[Herr Logan]

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[Herr Logan]

EDIT: On second thought, I'm gonna quit with the costume doll models for now. It's time-consuming, almost as self-perpetuating as surfing through Wikipedia, and they don't really have everything I'd need to show what all of the costumes would look like (ex:. there isn't a Nightcrawler model that has the original suit but with dark red gloves and boots). Maybe I'll do them one at a time and describe how I'd change certain things.

I now think that I would use Alex Ross' design for Wolverine in the fourth movie, though. Either that, or use it in the second one and change it to the brown and tan after that.

:wolverine

[Zev]

EDIT: On second thought, I'm gonna quit with the costume doll models for now. It's time-consuming, almost as self-perpetuating as surfing through Wikipedia, and they don't really have everything I'd need to show what all of the costumes would look like (ex:. there isn't a Nightcrawler model that has the original suit but with dark red gloves and boots). Maybe I'll do them one at a time and describe how I'd change certain things.

Plus, it's sorta girlie. Not Jason Patric in Lost Boys girlie, but pretty girlie all the same.

[Herr Logan]

Plus, it's sorta girlie. Not Jason Patric in Lost Boys girlie, but pretty girlie all the same.

Take it back!! :mad:

:wolverine

[Zev]

Okay, I take it back. It is Jason Patric in Lost Boys girlie.

[Herr Logan]

Additional Rule :
Please do not include concepts based on Marvel's Ultimate Universe that differ greatly from the real Marvel Universe (616). I realize this is largely subjective, so I'll have to shoulder the terrible burden of deciding what is "faithful enough;" I'll try not to be capricious about it.* *That last rule was added on 6/03/06, so contributors who began sharing concepts that are overall strongly based on the Ultimate Universe prior to that may continue to further develop them (example: The Question proposed a movie for 'The Ultimates' on 6/02/06, so that, as a movie or a multi-film franchise, gets a free pass forevermore). Other posters should not start posting that type of material, or rather they should be aware that I will address it and judge the content acceptable or unacceptable. Thanks for bearing with me.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Okay, I take it back. It is Jason Patric in Lost Boys girlie.

Bastard! :mad:


:D

:wolverine

[The Batman]

Sounds good.

Your first movie is in in the other thread, right? Should I check through the links on page one of this one, or do you know which page it's on in the other one? I'll be able to see the bigger picture of your franchise once I re-read the first part.

:wolverine

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7663538#post7663538

[Zev]

Just a few thoughts. I think it's be neat, in this hypothetical X-Men movie, if the first generation (Bobby, Hank, Jean, Scott, and Warren) were all "out" mutants. This is mainly because I'd love a scene where we contrast adolescent Warren, with his painful Stan Lee X-Men leather harness on, with adult Warren, who uses his wings as kind of a cloak or coat when he's not flying (which he does often. "Gets great gas mileage."). Then someone asks what his power is and Warren suddenly expands to his full wingspan. I'd also like him to have little bone spurs on the end of his wings (think bats. The entire wing is basically one very long finger. Or better yet, think Marcus from Underworld: Evolution, if anyone caught that). Just so he can get in some offense instead of being just the guy who flies.

On another note, I think it'd be cool if Jean and Scott had a kind of odd synchronity to point out their psychic link. For instance, in Herr's proposed coffee scene where they go down to a local watering hole and Scott beats a guy at pool (more on that in a minute), without asking Jean will occasionally telekinetically move something (sugar packet, spoon, whatever) into Scott's hand and he, in turn, will pass something to her without being asked. Maybe point this out by having Bobby or someone else ask out loud for something to be passed, but otherwise have it not be commented upon. The kicker to this is when a waitress bends down next to their table, Scott looks over... and a salt shaker flies into his head.

Scott: I didn't do anything!

Jean: But you were thinking it.

And to elaborate a bit more, I'd like the watering hole to be a sort of the equivalent of a gay bar, only for mutants. This mainly so we can have Multiple Man cameo and do a redux of William Shatner's performance of Rocket Man (think about it a minute). Then Jean tells Scott that another telekinetic (or "teep," to borrow a bit of lingo from B5. After all, it makes sense for telepaths to be kind of a community within a community) is hustling people by the pool table. Scott, being Scott, gets up to challenge him. The teep hustler graciously allows Scott to break... and, after a lengthy consideration, Scott shoots and wins the game in one stroke. And then fends off the teep pool cue to pool cue without even looking. Maybe play up that the X-Men are minor celebrities in the mutant counter-culture, but looked down upon for being "hopelessly naive."

[Herr Logan]

Just a few thoughts. I think it's be neat, in this hypothetical X-Men movie, if the first generation (Bobby, Hank, Jean, Scott, and Warren) were all "out" mutants. This is mainly because I'd love a scene where we contrast adolescent Warren, with his painful Stan Lee X-Men leather harness on, with adult Warren, who uses his wings as kind of a cloak or coat when he's not flying (which he does often. "Gets great gas mileage."). Then someone asks what his power is and Warren suddenly expands to his full wingspan. I'd also like him to have little bone spurs on the end of his wings (think bats. The entire wing is basically one very long finger. Or better yet, think Marcus from Underworld: Evolution, if anyone caught that). Just so he can get in some offense instead of being just the guy who flies.

On another note, I think it'd be cool if Jean and Scott had a kind of odd synchronity to point out their psychic link. For instance, in Herr's proposed coffee scene where they go down to a local watering hole and Scott beats a guy at pool (more on that in a minute), without asking Jean will occasionally telekinetically move something (sugar packet, spoon, whatever) into Scott's hand and he, in turn, will pass something to her without being asked. Maybe point this out by having Bobby or someone else ask out loud for something to be passed, but otherwise have it not be commented upon. The kicker to this is when a waitress bends down next to their table, Scott looks over... and a salt shaker flies into his head.

Scott: I didn't do anything!

Jean: But you were thinking it.

And to elaborate a bit more, I'd like the watering hole to be a sort of the equivalent of a gay bar, only for mutants. This mainly so we can have Multiple Man cameo and do a redux of William Shatner's performance of Rocket Man (think about it a minute). Then Jean tells Scott that another telekinetic (or "teep," to borrow a bit of lingo from B5. After all, it makes sense for telepaths to be kind of a community within a community) is hustling people by the pool table. Scott, being Scott, gets up to challenge him. The teep hustler graciously allows Scott to break... and, after a lengthy consideration, Scott shoots and wins the game in one stroke. And then fends off the teep pool cue to pool cue without even looking. Maybe play up that the X-Men are minor celebrities in the mutant counter-culture, but looked down upon for being "hopelessly naive."

That sounds really interesting, Zev. I wouldn't use most of that in my concept, but feel free to develop your own further.

But use a title for it, dammit! Look at the title at the top of this post. Something like that.


Just so you know, Angel doesn't strictly need bone spurs on his wings to lack the smackdown. True, his wings don't have cutting edges (like the Vulture's artificial wings, for example), but they are superhumanly strong, and they are huge. A full-grown swan can break a man's arm with its wing. What do you think the Angel's wings can do to a person? Just whack someone with those things and put them out of action for good.
The rest of his body is also proportionately stronger than most regular humans' (not to superhuman levels, necessarily), so he packs a good punch. Angel is a physical fighter and needs to get in close, but he can do some real damage. They didn't show him using his wings offensively very much in the first 20 or so X-Men issues, or any I've read since the "second genesis" team came around (I haven't read anything in between), but the potential is there. I know I'd show it in my movie concepts. I'd show just how much he can do other than simply fly around. Also, when you think about it, there are only two members of the X-Men that do not have inherent energy-projection powers and are strictly physical fighters, outside of using weapons. Iceman can get physical, sure, but it's mainly going to be the Beast and the Angel getting in close to dish out the hurting. They have to be used to their fullest.

I used to think Angel was pretty boring as an action hero, but I also used to think the original team was pretty boring overall as well, which is why my original concept for a first X-Men movie skipped over them, but now that I've done some research on their powers and history, I see the potential. That's why I stretched the long-term story out to accomodate the original team, and also part of the Phoenix Saga. The problem now is that I don't know what to do with about 1/2 to 2/3 of the third movie, now that the "second genesis" team will have their origins done in the second movie. I've got Kitty Pride training and acclimating, and Mystique's Brotherhood of Mutants attempting to assassinate presidential candidate Senator Robert Kelly (without the 'Days of Future Past' storyline... no matter how bad I'm hurting for story content, I don't want to go there). I'm considering doing the Morlocks along with that, which would prominently feature Kitty Pryde if parts of several stories are combined and condensed in that sub-plot.

Feh, rambling. Anyway, thanks for posting, Zev.

I'll think about your "mutant bar" idea for a possible appearance in the fourth movie (which definitely has no cogent plot at this point, but would probably concern Mr. Sinister and/or Apocalypse).

:wolverine

[The Batman]

So, Herr, did you get to read my first one over to get an idea of my sequel?

[Herr Logan]

So, Herr, did you get to read my first one over to get an idea of my sequel?
Yeah, I did, I just haven't had the chance to construct any useful (or potentially useful) comments yet, but it looks good (apart from giving Nightcrawler the shortest end of the stick :mad:). I'll try to post something on that soon. Thanks for the link.

:wolverine

[Zev]

You know, in planning hypothetical X-Men movies, it's important that we not lose sight of the lessons learned from the real X-Men movies. Whether you think them successes or failures, Bryan Singer and crew still have a lot to teach us about moviemaking. For instance... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKOda2A3Vqg)

[The Batman]

Yeah, I did, I just haven't had the chance to construct any useful (or potentially useful) comments yet, but it looks good (apart from giving Nightcrawler the shortest end of the stick :mad:). I'll try to post something on that soon. Thanks for the link.

:wolverine


Thats why i wanted to revise it. I was thinking about having Iceman and Beast go off somewhere so Nightcrawler could get some screentime.

Thats also why i planned a scene where Nightcrawler sneaks into strykers base. It's a combination of Mystiques scene at alkali lake in X2, and the beginning scene with Nightcrawler in the white house

[Herr Logan]

So, Herr, did you get to read my first one over to get an idea of my sequel?

Okay, I re-read the first movie concept.

Props for taking the big, climactic battle out to Asteroid M, by the way. :up:

I'm not crazy about Deadpool being presented in his "Ultimate" incarnation (or anything else too heavily influenced by Ultimate titles), but since you stated in your first movie concept that several characters were largely based on Ultimate characterizations and this was long before the new proviso I posted, it's fine.
I like that you're keeping William Stryker as a zealous preacher, and having him kill his wife and child in the beginning is a nice touch.

I don't really have any suggestions, but a few questions to fill in some blanks, if that's okay:

Would Magneto or any of his Brotherhood make appearances in the sequel? Does anyone outside of the X-Men and Stryker's people know that Stryker is behind the world-wide psychic attacks on mutants?

Would the Morlocks have any significant story before the Marauders start slaughtering them, or does that just take place afterward? Either way is fine, I guess, I'm just wondering how the Morlocks are introduced. Do they meet the X-Men before the Marauders attack them?

Is there a build-up for Storm's brutal change of tactics, or is her stabbing Callisto mainly a reaction to witnessing the Massacre (on top of Callisto picking a fight with her in the first place of course)? Are there further changes afterwards, such as cutting her hair into a mohawk and dressing more like Callisto (whether intentionally or not)?



Interesting stuff. Thanks much for posting. :up:

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Thats also why i planned a scene where Nightcrawler sneaks into strykers base. It's a combination of Mystiques scene at alkali lake in X2, and the beginning scene with Nightcrawler in the white house

Sweet idea. :up:

The coolest scene in 'X-Men 2' was Nightcrawler's, and it sucked that it wasn't "really" Nightcrawler doing that stuff. He's not supposed to be a puppet, he's supposed to be a real character. I like the idea of him pulling off a mission like that when he's actually in control of himself.

Would your Nightcrawler be the fun-loving pirate wannabe or the broody, ultra-religious wet blanket version?

:wolverine

[Jakomus]

Additional Rule :
Please do not include concepts based on Marvel's Ultimate Universe that differ greatly from the real Marvel Universe (616). I realize this is largely subjective, so I'll have to shoulder the terrible burden of deciding what is "faithful enough;" I'll try not to be capricious about it.**That last rule was added on 6/03/06, so contributors who began sharing concepts that are overall strongly based on the Ultimate Universe prior to that may continue to further develop them (example: The Question proposed a movie for 'The Ultimates' on 6/02/06, so that, as a movie or a multi-film franchise, gets a free pass forevermore). Other posters should not start posting that type of material, or rather they should be aware that I will address it and judge the content acceptable or unacceptable. Thanks for bearing with me.

:wolverineI don't think that's very fair, at all.

[The Batman]

Sweet idea. :up:

The coolest scene in 'X-Men 2' was Nightcrawler's, and it sucked that it wasn't "really" Nightcrawler doing that stuff. He's not supposed to be a puppet, he's supposed to be a real character. I like the idea of him pulling off a mission like that when he's actually in control of himself.

Would your Nightcrawler be the fun-loving pirate wannabe or the broody, ultra-religious wet blanket version?

:wolverine


Fun loving, despite the situation. He talks about his religion, buts that's not all he is. Like Bobby, he too tries to lighten the mood, which the others find odd since he was being chased by a mob in germany.

I always liked the earlier nightcrawler. then he got too religious, and lost what was nice about the character.

[The Batman]

Okay, I re-read the first movie concept.

Props for taking the big, climactic battle out to Asteroid M, by the way. :up:

I'm not crazy about Deadpool being presented in his "Ultimate" incarnation (or anything else too heavily influenced by Ultimate titles), but since you stated in your first movie concept that several characters were largely based on Ultimate characterizations and this was long before the new proviso I posted, it's fine.
I like that you're keeping William Stryker as a zealous preacher, and having him kill his wife and child in the beginning is a nice touch.

I don't really have any suggestions, but a few questions to fill in some blanks, if that's okay:

Would Magneto or any of his Brotherhood make appearances in the sequel? Does anyone outside of the X-Men and Stryker's people know that Stryker is behind the world-wide psychic attacks on mutants?

Would the Morlocks have any significant story before the Marauders start slaughtering them, or does that just take place afterward? Either way is fine, I guess, I'm just wondering how the Morlocks are introduced. Do they meet the X-Men before the Marauders attack them?

Is there a build-up for Storm's brutal change of tactics, or is her stabbing Callisto mainly a reaction to witnessing the Massacre (on top of Callisto picking a fight with her in the first place of course)? Are there further changes afterwards, such as cutting her hair into a mohawk and dressing more like Callisto (whether intentionally or not)?



Interesting stuff. Thanks much for posting. :up:

:wolverine


With Storm, its more like a matter of, "I've gotta do this, or we may NEVER get out of here". The situation is intense. Mutants are dead, and more may die, and they're down in the sewers wasting time. It's not much of a buildup. I should've put that as one of the character developments.

As for the morlocks....The X-Men dont meet them before the slaughter, but they know of them, thats why they go down into the sewers after confronting Stryker. Stryker mentions them in one of his speeches, something like "And there are mutants....down in the sewers, like disgusting monsters, waiting to kidnap you and your kin!" But, we dont learn more about them until after the slaughter, with Callisto.

One of the reasons i wanted to revise my story was because i want magneto in. He was in the original story too, I believe. And no one but the X-Men and Stryker know what Strykers planning. The public just think they;re supporting a religious crusade.

Also, I had no idea until i read up more on the mauraders that Deadpool was in charge of the Ultimate version. Havent read the Ult. Books in a while. I dont use too much of the ultimate books in the movies, just story plots and a little of the characterization. Even then, its largely the 616 version.

[Herr Logan]

I don't think that's very fair, at all.

That is a valid way of looking at it, and I appreciate you telling me that. Let me try to explain why I put that there.

The way I see it, 'Ultimate X-Men' and the other Ultimate titles are part of what I and many others perceive as a problem with current and recent Marvel products as a whole. The Ultimate phenomenon went into effect after the first X-Men movie, but both sequels, as well as the Spider-Man films and the Fantastic Four film, were all heavily influenced by the Ultimate universe. It's one more excuse for anti-source material viewers (people who'd prefer the movies weren't as faithful as they could be) to defend these movies by saying "It's based on the Ultimate version," as if that somehow justified significant deviations from the original source material (I've seen this happen countless times). As far as I'm concerned, Ultimate comics are "adaptations" as much as the movies are, so I don't consider it to be original source material. Now that several Ultimate franchises have been established (for Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, etc.), it's become a self-feeding cycle of revisionism that has even affected real Marvel continuity (616 universe), not just new, other-media adaptations. Brian Michael Bendis, for example, wrote 616 Spider-Man very much like he wrote Ultimate Spider-Man, and that's simply not okay. The real Wolverine has been drawn as taller and even with a goatee a few times since 'Ultimate X-Men' has been out, and that's just tacky as hell and indicative of the superficiality of Marvel's assumptions about the fans. Costumes for 616 characters have evolved more toward Ultimate costumes. In both 'X-Men Legends' video games, the default appearances are straight from 'Ultimate X-Men,' so even if the gameplay was above average, I'd still have to look at ugly-ass, revisionist costumes designed for an audience that is ashamed of being seen as fans of colorfully costumed superheroes. They made it so you could wear real X-Men costumes earlier on in the second game, but all the way through the first one, I was very irritated by the fact that they tried mixing several different continuities (616 comics, Ultimate comics and the movies) as if they were all the same or had equal value. I realize that's a very marginal example, but it represents a mindset that has affected all Marvel entertainment products.

So that's where I'm coming from. I want to see movies and TV shows and video games that are based on the real Marvel Universe (or at least see people imagine such things), not this post-MTV generation nonsense that's corrupting its own inspiration. I made these threads primarily for people who want the same. I didn't make a specific point of asking that people stick to the 616 universe before, so I'm not going to tell people who started contributing before I added that in that they have to keep ideas that reflect the Ultimate universe out of the Safe Havens, but I'd prefer it if new franchise or stand-alone ideas didn't take a lot from the Ultimate comics.

I'm not trying to be a tyrant with this (I used other people's threads for that... heh heh), which is why I didn't tell The Question or The Batman to junk their ideas or post them elsewhere; I'm just trying to preserve the philosophy of these threads and not be a hypocrite. If I start treating the Ultimate universe as if it was real Marvel history, I basically become a fraud, or a fair-weather fan of the true source material. I hope that makes some sense.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

With Storm, its more like a matter of, "I've gotta do this, or we may NEVER get out of here". The situation is intense. Mutants are dead, and more may die, and they're down in the sewers wasting time. It's not much of a buildup. I should've put that as one of the character developments.

As for the morlocks....The X-Men dont meet them before the slaughter, but they know of them, thats why they go down into the sewers after confronting Stryker. Stryker mentions them in one of his speeches, something like "And there are mutants....down in the sewers, like disgusting monsters, waiting to kidnap you and your kin!" But, we dont learn more about them until after the slaughter, with Callisto.

One of the reasons i wanted to revise my story was because i want magneto in. He was in the original story too, I believe. And no one but the X-Men and Stryker know what Strykers planning. The public just think they;re supporting a religious crusade.

Also, I had no idea until i read up more on the mauraders that Deadpool was in charge of the Ultimate version. Havent read the Ult. Books in a while. I dont use too much of the ultimate books in the movies, just story plots and a little of the characterization. Even then, its largely the 616 version.

Ah, okay. Thanks. :up:

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

This is an attempt at a treatment for my first X-Men movie concept:


The UNCANNY X-MEN


"Twenty Years Ago"

The opening scene is in Cairo, Egypt, where we see a tall man in kacky clothing and one of those "expedition" hats walking on a road lined with street vendors and small cafes. When the camera closes in on him, we can basically that he's bald, despite the hat, and that's what tips us off that it's Charles Francis Xavier.
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/ProfX-Uncanny%28PsiWar%29-Spz.gif While casually making his way down the street, a very young girl with dark skin, blue eyes and silver hair deftly takes his wallet out of his back pocket. Xavier stops a second later, aware of the stealthy girl's presence without having physically felt her steal his wallet. He turns around and sees her running off, cracks bemused smile and starts chasing her. The girl runs through alleyways and backstreets, trying to lose her pursuer. She runs into a cafe, thinking that she lost Xavier, and walks toward a table in the back where a stocky man with a fez and an unkind smile sits. This man is Amahl Farouk. She pulls out the wallet, about to hand it to Farouk, but Xavier appears suddenly behind her and snatches it. Xavier can be sneaky, too, see?
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/2nd%20team/storm/Storm-Uncanny%28PsiWar%29-Spz.gifThe girl looks scared, and Xavier gives her a scolding look for a moment, but he then smiles slightly and hands her a small amount of money. Amahl Farouk looks amused and interested in Xavier. A few nasty-looking men enter the backroom and place handfuls of money in a wicker basket sitting near Farouk. Xavier eyes Farouk warily, sensing something very, very wrong about him. Farouk has a sinister grin through most of this scene.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/Ennemis/AmahlFarouk.gif *Anything else that could indicate that Farouk is a local crime lord in a very short amount of time happens or is shown.*FAROUK: I'm impressed. Not many tourists actually catch Ororo.
Xavier sits down across from Farouk.XAVIER: Not many people make children commit petty crimes."
FAROUK: Is that how things are done in America, then, Mr. Xavier, or are you simply too naive to see the world for what it truly is?
XAVIER: How do you know my name?"
Farouk speaks to Xavier without using his mouth, putting words directly into his mind.FAROUK: I have certain... unique talents, much like yourself.
XAVIER (telepathically): You're the man all these people fear? The great Amahl Farouk, the so-called "Shadow King?"
FAROUK: I am the 'King of Shadows, yes. It is a rare treat to meet another psi-talent.
XAVIER: I'm afraid I can't say the same.
Little Ororo is still standing next to Farouk, and she watches Xavier with much fear as he defies the crime lord; fear for Xavier's safety.FAROUK: Did you come all this way to challenge me, Xavier?
XAVIER: Not at all. I'm here on vacation. However, after what I've seen and heard in this city, I can't stand by, idle, while a corrupt psychic hold defenseless humans in terror and turns innocent children into theives.
FAROUK: I'm sorry to hear that.
Farouk nods ever so slightly towards Xavier. Ororo has a look of panic on her face, but remains silent.
Immediately, the nasty-looking men come back into the room and draw guns. Xavier's head quickly turns toward them and they instantly fall to the ground, unconscious.
Farouk leans forward over the table, as does Xavier across from, and the world drops away around them, fading into a fantastic landscape of irridescent light and abstract figures. I hear the Astral Plane is nice this time o' year!

Both men look like they are glowing under a blacklight. Farouk is now a tall, muscular, inhuman figure with glowing red eyes and old-fashion armor, holding a long scythe with a half-serrated blade. Xavier looks pretty much the same, as he has never been to the Astral Plane with an enemy attacking him. However, as always, he's a quick study. He concentrates and quickly forms body armor and a broadsword. The two entities battle each other, the Farouk taking the offense and the less experienced Xavier trying to avoid being psi-killed. After a little while, Xavier finds it in him to open up a can of psychic whoop-ass, putting Farouk on the defensive, knocking him back a good distance. Farouk gets his rage on and starts charging. Xavier points his sword at Farouk and fires a bright power-beam at him, knocking him on the ground. He then creates a strong cage around his fallen foe and closes his eyes. The camera closes in on Xavier's face and the glowing Astral form turns back into flesh and blood. When he opens his eyes, he's sitting at the table in the backroom of the cafe. Across the table from him, Amahl Farouk is slumped in his chair with his mouth slightly open. He is catatonic. Xavier himself is quite shaken by all this, maintaining a look of horror on his face. This is his first encounter with a mutant supervillain, and he does not take it lightly. Still in a daze, staring off somewhere, he gets up and walks towards the exit of the cafe. The cafe is now completely empty. Ororo is shocked and confused about what just happened and watches Xavier walk away. He stops just short of the exit, takes the money he has in his wallet and holds it out for her, still looking dazed. Cautiously, she takes the money and watches as he leaves. Keep in mind that this looks in text like it takes longer on film than it actually does. It should take no more than ten minutes altogether, if even that.

Cue the intro sequence!
The theme music is a refined, more cinematic version of the theme song from the X-Men animated series from the 1990's. During this, the Uncanny X-Men logo from the 90's will appear on the screen, in all its cartoony glory, and God-willing, we'd get some painted images of the original X-Men team, while the front credits appear and disappear in sudden flashes.
The theme music will come up in various parts of the movie, often during action scenes, just like in the cartoon. The theme will play again when the credits role, followed up with the song "Everyday People" (because the movie is about fighting prejudice, people, among other things!). I don't remember what the Sly and the Family Stone version sounds like, so my first choice is that cool version done by Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, but that's not a mandate or anything. Anyway, on to the story. By the way, most of this is subject to change, and suggestions and comments would be appreciated.


More later. Comments, damn you!!

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

UNCANNY X-MEN (continued)


Today

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/XavierCockrum.gif Charles Xavier, now about two decades older and confined to a wheelchair, addresses what happened the teaser scene as if he had been telling this story to someone.XAVIER: That was the first time I encountered a human-mutation who used his power for personal gain at the expense of people who couldn't fight back. That was when I decided that humanity needed protection from such beings. This is why I have been seeking mutants who might be willing to stand between superhuman criminals and innocent people.
Xavier has been talking to Fred Duncan, an agent of the FBI who is assigned to a sub-division that investigates and intervenes in situations involving unknown threats, such as superhuman phenomena. This small department is sort of like the X-Files. DUNCAN: The population you classify as 'innocent people' includes a lot of scared, intolerant humans who don't welcome the idea of super-powered individuals living among them, much less protecting them. You've seen the news, Charles. There have been numerous acts of violence against people accused of being mutants, whether the accusations were true or not. Maybe these mutants you seek would be better off keeping their powers secret instead of crusading against "supervillains."
XAVIER: All that is needed for evil to prevail is the inaction of good men and women. Hiding their identities is a personal choice; to possess power and not use it for the benefit of others is as much a disservice to onself as to the world at large. Young mutants who are confused, frightened and persecuted require guidance and purpose, or else they may easily become dangerous.
DUNCAN: Do you really expect adolescents to protect a world that hates and fears them?"
XAVIER: You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
DUNCAN: I never was a Beatles fan.
Xavier frowns slightly.DUNCAN: I've got something you might be interested in. There's a boy in Nebraska we've been keeping tabs on..."


More later!

:wolverine

[kame-sennin]

Nice work Herr, I like that you're really starting from the beginning with this X-film :up:

[Herr Logan]

Nice work Herr, I like that you're really starting from the beginning with this X-film :up:

Thank ye, kindly. :)

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

I want to apologize to The Batman for not posting much in the way of comments on his X-Men movies concepts. It's probably because they resemble the actual movies a little too much for my personal tastes, and I usually don't know how to offer ideas or constructive comments in that kind of scenario. I'm not saying they're bad ideas, I'm saying I've got a kind of tunnel vision when it comes to the X-Men movies (and some other franchise concepts). That's nobody's fault except for possibly mine (I don't know how to fix it, and I didn't choose it, so I don't know if it counts as a "fault" or not).

Anyway, just thought I'd put that out there.

:wolverine

[The Batman]

I want to apologize to The Batman for not posting much in the way of comments on his X-Men movies concepts. It's probably because they resemble the actual movies a little too much for my personal tastes, and I usually don't know how to offer ideas or constructive comments in that kind of scenario. I'm not saying they're bad ideas, I'm saying I've got a kind of tunnel vision when it comes to the X-Men movies (and some other franchise concepts). That's nobody's fault except for possibly mine (I don't know how to fix it, and I didn't choose it, so I don't know if it counts as a "fault" or not).

Anyway, just thought I'd put that out there.

:wolverine


Its ok. My ideas are more like what if the movies actually tried to be faithful to the comics

[Herr Logan]

Its ok. My ideas are more like what if the movies actually tried to be faithful to the comics

That's cool. I respect that. :up:

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

UNCANNY X-MEN (continued)

Cyclops origin/recruitment scene:


http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/Cyclops-Uncanny%28MindGames%29-Spz.gifScott Summers, age 17 is walking hurriedly and nervously through the streets of Omaha, Nebraska (or a neighboring town). He tries not to draw any attention to himself, but he does look suspicious because of his manner. He comes to a corner and waits for the traffic signal to turn from red to green and for traffic to stop flowing in his path. Right when the light changes, his eyes seem to explode and fire two crimson beams of force up into the air. In the block in front of him, on the other side of the street he was waiting to cross, there is a construction sight, with a crane slowly swinging a large, tethered "I"-beam. One of the energy blasts severs the cable holding the I-Beam, causing the beam to fall. Directly below it is a construction worker who is now about to be crushed by the falling beam. Horrified and panicked at what just happened, Scott watches the falling beam, time seeming to slow down for him (there's actually a slow-motion effect here). He concentrates and squints, releasing another pair of energy blasts at the last second that fire directly at the falling I-beam. The blasts connect and knock it way off-course, causing it to crash into other construction equipment, barely missing other crew members. No one is hurt, but everyone is shocked, including Scott. He runs away and people start shouting.
Some time later, Scott is in a bus station, waiting for a bus top start allowing passengers aboard. He is keeping his eyes closed and his hand in front of his face every moment he doesn't truly need to see where he's going. Professor Charles Xavier approaches him from behind in his powered wheelchair, unintentionally startling him.XAVIER: Where are you headed, Scott?
Scott jerks and turns around, still trying to block his eyes and facing the floor in between him and Xavier.SCOTT: I'm not going back there, and if you want to stay healthy, you'll stay away from me.
XAVIER: I'm not from social services, Scott, Xavier replies. "I'm a doctor, here to help you.
SCOTT: You got a cure for death rays??
XAVIER: Your eyes. Do they hurt?
SCOTT: Yeah... a lot. My head hurts, too.
XAVIER: That's what I'm here to help you with. As I said, I'm a doctor, and I'm somewhat familiar with the root cause of your condition."
SCOTT: So you want me as a lab rat? Go to hell!

XAVIER: No, Scott. I'm here to offer you treatment for your... headaches, a safe environment, and a path. You already know you're not like most other people, don't you? Aren't you tired of living in fear? Stumbling blindly, day to day, unsure of your place in this world?"
SCOTT: (close to tears, barely above a whisper) Yes.
End scene.

Months later...
New scene opens with a shot of Professor Xavier's ancestral home. Xavier and Scott are in the infirmary. Scott is now wearing glasses with opaque, red lenses that extend around his face to his peripheral vision areas. He is reading off a vision test chart.XAVIER: So, for the most part, you can see most words and object very clearly, is that right?"
SCOTT: Yes. Except I can't distinguish colors very well.
XAVIER: I'm afraid I can't remedy that at this time. We'll keep trying to make a more translucent shield that allows for better color vision. For now, at least, after all these months of testing, we've finally figured it out; ruby-quartz can keep your power in check while still allowing you to see.
SCOTT: I'm real glad that I can get around without you telepathically guiding me. It's just that, I can never open my eyes without firing these... 'optic beams,' without wearing these, can I? I can't see without everything being... red.
XAVIER: For the most part, that's correct. I'm going to start making you a set of goggles you can wear while sleeping. We don't want to leave it to chance that those glasses could fall out of place. Why don't you walk around a bit. Get used to seeing on your own.
SCOTT: Okay. Thank you, Professor, really.
XAVIER: You're quite welcome.
Scott leaves, looking much less upset than he did at the bus station, but still a bit grim.

Later on...
Scott is in an enormous gymnasium that will later be named the "Danger Room," practicing shooting targets with his optic beams by aiming with his eyes and lifting his glasses every time he wants to fire. He seems fairly good at it, but not nearly perfect. Professor Xavier rolls up to him and comments.XAVIER: Not bad, Scott.
SCOTT (sardonically): Thanks for saying so, Professor.
XAVIER: I've got something that might help.
Charles holds up an object. It's a modified version of this (http://www.mutanthigh.com/tech/visor1.jpg), but I'll describe it so that you'll know what's the same and what's different.
It is a visor, golden in color, smooth in texture, shaped like an elongated and curved oval with a ruby-quartz strip running most of the length of it. It is constructed to wear so that it covers the eyes, extending around the sides so that it also covers the ears with knob-like sections. The "ear cups," while the same color as the rest of the visor, are "accoustically transparents," meaning they don't block sound. The inside of the visor is lined with low density, breathable foam padding. There is a rubber strap connecting the ear cups, meant to stretch slightly around the back of the wearer's head. The ruby-quartz strip runs all the way to the outside of the ear cups, but it there are vertical lines a couple inches in from each ear cup, making the ruby-quartz look like it's in three different pieces. There is a wire, securely plugged and screwed into the visor at the rear edge of the left ear cup, that is connected to a miniature control unit with a sliding button.SCOTT: What is it?
XAVIER: It's a tactical visor It will help improve your aim and allow you to release the energy more quickly and with much less effort let me show you how it works.
The Professor shows Scott how the ruby-quartz is actually in four different pieces, the middle strip being two hinged plates that open up in a clam-shell style, with the plates on either side being stationary but meant to allow the wearer some peripheral vision. The moving plates are controlled by the sliding button on the control unit; the degree to which the user slides the button corresponds to the angle of the opened ruby-quartz plates. Later on, when Scott becomes an X-Man, the controlling mechanism will be wireless and built into contact points on his costume glove.

Xavier will tell Scott of his intention to not only help young mutants learn to control and use their powers safely, but he also plans to assemble a team of mutants who will protect humanity from dangerous, malevolent or out of control superhumans. Scott says he wants to be part of that team. Xavier will then fly to Dunfee, Illinois to offer high-school football star Henry McCoy a place at the Xavier Mansion, which he currently in the process of establishing as a legitimate educational institution. He is also in the process of completing the construction of Cerebro, a device that locates mutants. Scott Summers and Hank McCoy were brought to Xavier's attention by Agent Fred Duncan. After Cerebro is built, Xavier can find mutants on his own, some of whom are not high-profile enough for Duncan's task force to know about yet.


More later!

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

UNCANNY X-MEN (continued)

Beast origin/recruitment scene:


http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/Beast-HankMcCoy.gif Scene opens at a high school football stadium in Dunfee, Illinois (or near it). One of players is particularly bulky, well-muscled and has unusually large hands and feet. This is Hank "the Beast McCoy, age 18, 5' 11", 300 lbs-- the star player for the home team. There are banners and signs held up by spectators in the bleachers that recognize and cheer on Hank in particular. Many of these spectators are very attractive young women, the admiration of which Hank is not in short supply at this point in his burgeoning sports career.
The camera catches some magnificent plays, with Hank effortlessly but expertly running across the field, dodging defensive and offensive opposing players as well as bulldozing through them (with minimal brutality, since Hank is nothing if not a nice guy), diving to catch passed balls that would be near-impossible to catch by anyone else before it hit the ground and landing in very tight crouches, just to spring back up and keep his momentum going. It's an incredible display of agility, worthy of an Olympic gymnast, to say the least. The coup de grace is when Hank, holding the ball and running for the goal, leaps and somersaults right over the heads of the wall of defensive players assembled in front of his target (they pulled everyone back so they could block the unstoppable McCoy en masse), and touches down (literally, as in he lands from a superhuman long jump) in the end-zone in the final moments of the game. Both teams are amazed and shocked, and so is the exstatic crowd in the bleachers. The coach for the other team, however, looks furious, and Hank's own coach looks dismayed. Half the crowd is cheering and the other half, especially those sitting up front, looks geniunely frightened by what they just witnessed. Hank, holding up the ball and waving to his fans, sees his coach's expression and his own broad grin starts to fade.

Scene change to the McCoy residence, the next day. Hank returns home from school looking somber and a little bit angry. He enters the house and sees his parents, Norton and Edna, in the living room. Professor Xavier is also there, but he's partially blocked by a piece of furniture or decoration, and Hank is to distracted to notice him yet. (Again, the dialogue, like the narrative in this entire concept, is subject to change. Comments and suggestions are welcome.)HANK: Well, it may as well be official; my expatriation from the team is presumptively inevitable," Hank announces dejectedly.
NORTON: What? How? What happened?" Norton asks, suddenly angry.
EDNA: Hasn't hurt that vocabulary of yours, though, has it?
NORTON: Hold that thought for a minute, son. This gentleman here is Professor Charles Xavier.
HANK: Forgive my brutish manners, sir. It's a delight to make your aquaintance.
Hank extends his very large, powerful hand toward Xavier.XAVIER: The pleasure is all mine, Henry.
Xavier, shakes Hank's hand without hesitation or fear, unlike most people who meet Hank for the first time.XAVIER: I've followed your football exploits and am most impressed."
HANK: You're a sports fan, Professor?
XAVIER: Well, not as much as I used to be. When I was in high school, I played basketball, and was actually quite adept. Not the super-star you are, of course.
HANK: That's very kind of you. Unfortunately, my tenure as a football champion has come to an end.
NORTON: Just how in the hell did that happen?" Norton asks, his anger rising again (it's not directed toward Hank).
HANK: After my egregious display of agility during the game last night, I've become a scandal. The school administrators have imputed my athletic prowess to the injudicious use of anabolic steroids.
NORTON: Thats a load of bull, and they should be ashamed for even thinkin' it, much less accusing you! My boy's no cheater or drug-user. The kid's a friggin' genius, for God's sake. He's perfect, and I ain't exaggeratin' on that one.
HANK (embarrassed): Dad...
Xavier is somewhat amused and pleased to see such a display of pride from a father to his son.NORTON: Seriously, he's a straight-A student, the best damn athlete this town's ever seen and ever will see, a science whiz... I mean he's a God damn genius!"
HANK: I think he gets the idea, Dad.
EDNA: This won't affect your scholarship, will it?
HANK: I would assume that it does, Mom. Even when my tests come back negative for drugs, the doubts about my... abnormal physique will linger, and colleges don't take kindly to this kind of scandal.
NORTON: Just last week, I seen 'im writing science fiction and poetry at the same time... with his feet! His feet, for God's sake!
EDNA: We were counting on that scholarship, because we just can't afford college without it. We tried for an academic scholarship, but just isn't available right now. We've applied for loans, but we've been in debt for a while now and that just isn't happening. I don't know what will happen now.
NORTON: This is prejudice, plain and simple. So he looks different from other people; big damn deal! If they cut him from the team and take his scholarship, it's only outta prejudice and envy!
XAVIER: I wouldn't argue with you there, Mr. McCoy. If my suspicions are correct, your son is more than simply an extraordinary athlete."
NORTON: Some kinda superhero?
XAVIER (smiling): Not unless he wants to be.
More later. Comments!!

:wolverine

[Zaphod]

UNCANNY X-MEN (continued)

Beast origin/recruitment scene:


http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/Beast-HankMcCoy.gif Scene opens at a high school football stadium in Dunfee, Illinois (or near it). One of players is particularly bulky, well-muscled and has unusually large hands and feet. This is Hank "the Beast McCoy, age 18, 5' 11", 300 lbs-- the star player for the home team. There are banners and signs held up by spectators in the bleachers that recognize and cheer on Hank in particular. Many of these spectators are very attractive young women, the admiration of which Hank is not in short supply at this point in his burgeoning sports career.
The camera catches some magnificent plays, with Hank effortlessly but expertly running across the field, dodging defensive and offensive opposing players as well as bulldozing through them (with minimal brutality, since Hank is nothing if not a nice guy), diving to catch passed balls that would be near-impossible to catch by anyone else before it hit the ground and landing in very tight crouches, just to spring back up and keep his momentum going. It's an incredible display of agility, worthy of an Olympic gymnast, to say the least. The coup de grace is when Hank, holding the ball and running for the goal, leaps and somersaults right over the heads of the wall of defensive players assembled in front of his target (they pulled everyone back so they could block the unstoppable McCoy en masse), and touches down (literally, as in he lands from a superhuman long jump) in the end-zone in the final moments of the game. Both teams are amazed and shocked, and so is the exstatic crowd in the bleachers. The coach for the other team, however, looks furious, and Hank's own coach looks dismayed. Half the crowd is cheering and the other half, especially those sitting up front, looks geniunely frightened by what they just witnessed. Hank, holding up the ball and waving to his fans, sees his coach's expression and his own broad grin starts to fade.

Scene change to the McCoy residence, the next day. Hank returns home from school looking somber and a little bit angry. He enters the house and sees his parents, Norton and Edna, in the living room. Professor Xavier is also there, but he's partially blocked by a piece of furniture or decoration, and Hank is to distracted to notice him yet. (Again, the dialogue, like the narrative in this entire concept, is subject to change. Comments and suggestions are welcome.)
"Well, it may as well be official; my expatriation from the team is presumptively inevitable," Hank announces dejectedly.
"What? How? What happened?" Norton asks, suddenly angry.
"Hasn't hurt that vocabulary of yours, though, has it," Hank's mother says, trying to cheer him up a little.
Notron, getting a hold of himself says, "Hold that thought for a minute, son. This gentleman here is Professor Charles Xavier," indicating Charles, whom Hank just now notices for himself.
"Forgive my brutish manners, sir. It's a delight to make your aquaintance," Hank says as he extends a very large, powerful hand toward Xavier.
"The pleasure is all mine, Henry," says Xavier, who shakes Hank's hand without hesitation or fear (unlike most people who meet Hank for the first time). "I've followed your football exploits and am most impressed."
"You're a sports fan, Professor?"
"Well, not as much as I used to be. When I was in high school, I played basketball, and was actually quite adept. Not the super-star you are, of course."
"That's very kind of you," Hanks says, eyeing the wheelchair momentarily. "Unfortunately, my tenure as a football champion has come to an end."
"Just how in the hell did that happen?" Norton asks, his anger rising again (it's not directed toward Hank).
"After my egregious display of agility during the game last night, I've become a scandal. The school administrators have imputed my athletic prowess to the injudicious use of anabolic steroids."
"Thats a load of bull, and they should be ashamed for even thinkin' it, much less accusing you!" Norton practically shouts. Turning to Xavier, he says, "My boy's no cheater or drug-user. The kid's a friggin' genius, for God's sake. He's perfect, and I ain't exaggeratin' on that one."
"Dad..." Hank is embarrassed. Xavier is somewhat amused and pleased to see such a display of pride from a father to his son.
Norton continues, "Seriously, he's a straight-A student, the best damn athlete this town's ever seen and ever will see, a science whiz... I mean he's a God damn genius!"
"I think he gets the idea, Dad," Hank says, partially covering his face with his hand.
Edna speaks up, "This won't affect your scholarship, will it?"
"I would assume that it does, Mom. Even when my tests come back negative for drugs, the doubts about my... abnormal physique will linger, and colleges don't take kindly to this kind of scandal."
Norton is still listing Hank's impressive attributes. "Just last week, I seen 'im writing science fiction and poetry at the same time... with his feet! His feet, for God's sake!"
Edna explains to Xavier, "We were counting on that scholarship, because we just can't afford college without it. We tried for an academic scholarship, but just isn't available right now. We've applied for loans, but we've been in debt for a while now and that just isn't happening. I don't know what will happen now."
"This is prejudice, plain and simple," says Norton. "So he looks different from other people; big damn deal! If they cut him from the team and take his scholarship, it's only outta prejudice and envy!"
"I wouldn't argue with you there, Mr. McCoy," says Professor Xavier, who is now completely confident that the McCoy's can be trusted with the truth of his mission and the truth about their son. "If my suspicions are correct, your son is more than simply an extraordinary athlete."
"What is he, then," asks Norton. "Some kinda superhero?"
Xavier smiles and says, "Not unless he wants to be."

More later. Comments!!

:wolverine

I really like this, but I do have one suggestion:

After the game, and before Hank goes home, I'd certainly show a very brief scene where some player from the opposing side says to Hank: "No guy can play like that, run and jump like you did, not unless he was some freak!" The words are naturally born out of jealousy on this players part, a sore loser for losing to Hank and his team, but these words could be seen as visibly causing some hurt to Hank, just by his facial expression, nothing more. Hank would then turn to the player and quip something very witty, very intelligent, in other words, very Wildean, putting the guy in his place. The guy should look a little afraid beforehand, almost afraid of what Hank is going to do, but of course he isn't going to hurt the guy, only bring him down a notch with his uncanny vocab and clever wit. Then, when Hank goes to leave for home, he's coach stands in his way.
"He's right y'know, you might be smart around here, but you aint that smart! You think you can get away with that out there? No one, is capable of that, unless there takin' summin".
Hank would look genuinely insulted, and upset, and then we cut to the scene with Beast arriving home...

It's not pivotal I know, but it just came to me and it develops somewhat on the reasons why he was expedited from the team, and also makes good use of his wit to a point. Let me know what you think. Again, keep up the good work :up:

[Herr Logan]

UNCANNY X-MEN (continued)

Okay, I know that last bit was pretty crappy. [stage whisper]I'm not a very good writer.[/stage whisper]. I may go back and edit it.
The main points I want to get across in the scene at the McCoys' house are these:
Xavier flew in to speak with Hank's parents personally;
Edna and Norton McCoy know their son is genetically abnormal, but are not at all ashamed or afraid of him; he is essentially the best son a parent could hope for and they are well aware of this, showing much love and support;
The community where the McCoys live now suspects that Hank is either a steroid-user or is one of those mutants they keep hearing about on the news;
The McCoys will know the full truth about the Xavier Academy for Gifted Youngsters, and that there son may well risk his life if he becomes a superhero; they are anxious and hesitant about this, but they will support Hank if he chooses that path, especially since they know he will still have the opportunity to earn the doctorate(s) he wants (they will be genetics, bio-chemistry, and engineering, I think);
The scene will establish right off what kind of person Hank McCoy is-- extremely intelligent, generally friendly and good-natured (even though he's angry at that moment), ambitious and essentially a jack of all trades (and a potential master of several).There should probably be some mention in the movie about how Norton soaked up some major radiation while working at a nuclear power plant where an accident occurred-- Xavier should share with Hank that this own father worked in nuclear research facility, so their respective mutations may be partially attributed to their fathers' exposure to radiation prior to their conception.

The next recruitment scene is for Warren Worthington III-- the Angel. Iceman will either be recruited after him, without an origin scene, or will be noted as having been recruited sometime after Cyclops without being shown yet.
I'm going to try and stick with script-style quotes instead of prose. I don't know why I've been doing it that way so far, but it probably makes the dialogue harder to read.

Angel

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/Angel%20JB.gifIn New York City, the sillouette of a winged figure soars through the night sky. The camera pans down to the street and closes in on a discarded copy of the Daily Bugle that has a headline that reads, "Avenging Angel Strikes Again." The sidebar is an editorial by editor-in-chief J. Jonah Jameson, the title of which is, "Winged Menace Must Be Stopped."
Nearby, a street gang is threatening a young couple. Several have melee weapons (bats, blackjacks, chains, etc.). The leader of the gang shoves the young man up against the wall of an alley, and his cronies grab the young woman, who begins to scream, and start dragging her deeper into the alley.GANG LEADER: That's right, call for help, ******. Why don't you pray while you're at it.
Right then, the Angel swoops down from above and flies straight into the alley, passing the gang leader and his victim as he hurtles straight into the gang members standing over the woman, whom is now on the ground. Arm's outstretched in front of him, he plows into the criminals, sending most of them crashing into the surrounding walls and trashcans. He swoops upwards before he reaches the dead end, turns around and alights on the ground right in front of the gang leader. We now get a full view of him; he is a tall, lean and very muscular figure, wearing a skin-tight, red and white bodysuit with goggles over his eyes. Sprouting from his shoulder blades are very large, white, feathered wings. He folds his wings backwards as he walks toward the leader and the male victim.ANGEL: Gotta love the power of prayer, huh?
GANG LEADER: Stay back, freak! I'll ice him right here, 'you don't stay back!
He pulls a knife and holds it to his hostage's throat. Angel spreads his wings again, starts flapping and lifts himseld straight up into the air. The gangster looks up and sees Angel flying over the building at the end of the alley, presumably away. He keeps the knife at the man's throat for a few seconds, breathing heavy and wondering what to do next.
The camera switches to a view from behind the criminal, where Angel is floating down to the pavement from above, using his flat-angled wings to slow his descent. He touches down silently, right behind the gangster, grabs his knife hand and twists it until the knife falls. He pulls the thug away from his hostage and gives him a very powerful roundhouse punch that sends him flying backward into the alley with his legs trailing behind him.
The male victim runs over to his girlfriend/wife and helps her up before Angel can. They thank him and walk away, hurriedly, one of them using their cell phone to call the police.
Two of the thugs are not unconscious and they try to rush the Angel from behind as he's walking out of the alley. He hears them behind him and swings his wings backward, knocking them backward with such force that they hurtle all the way to the back of the alley. Angel just keeps on walking. When he reaches the street, he takes off again.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/XMen-Angel-Kane.gifThe Angel returns to his parents' penthouse apartment where he lives as Warren Worthington III, heir to Worthington Industries and a vast fortune. He enters through the large, open window of his room, and his room is very dark. He removes the top part of his bodysuit, unfastening a flap that runs between his wings and flares out to the sides below the wings' roots and undoing a zipper in the back underneath it. It is a custom-made shirt that allows for full body coverage aside from his wings, with a minimum of hassle. He goes to his walk-in closet and comes back out with regular pants on, the rest of his costume removed. He pulls a complex strap-harness from under the comforter of his bed and gets ready to rig it so it keeps his wings folded and relatively inconspicuous under his regular clothing. He turns a lamp on so he can use the mirror while doing this daily ritual.
The light goes on and there are two costumed figures in the room with him-- Scott Summers, codenamed Cyclops, and Hank McCoy, codenamed Beast. They are both wearing X-Men uniforms. Beast is not wearing gloves or footwear. The dim light makes them both appear quite frightening; especially Cyclops. ANGEL: Who the hell are you? You've got exactly five seconds to explain yourselves before I throw you both out that window! http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/F7_xm29_cyclops.gif
CYCLOPS: We're not here to fight you, Warren. We came to make an offer.
WARREN: An "offer." Right. You figured out who I was; congrats. Which is it, blackmail for money or blackmail for illegal favors? http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/F7_xm29_beast.gif

BEAST: None of the above, actually. CYCLOPS: We're mutants, just like you.
WARREN: I'm missing the part where that's of any interest to me.
CYCLOPS: Here's the deal; you sign up at our school, you get a first-rate collegiate education and specialized training for hero work. We saw you in action tonight. You're good. Join us, and you'll get to be even better.
BEAST: You use that contraption to hide your... unusual extremeties, don't you?
WARREN: Forgive me if I don't want people gawking and screaming at me whenever I leave the house.
BEAST: It looks terribly uncomfortable. Wouldn't you like to be someplace where you don't need to take such precautions?
WARREN (pausing for a moment): I'm listening.
More soon. Comments, please!

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

I really like this, but I do have one suggestion:

After the game, and before Hank goes home, I'd certainly show a very brief scene where some player from the opposing side says to Hank: "No guy can play like that, run and jump like you did, not unless he was some freak!" The words are naturally born out of jealousy on this players part, a sore loser for losing to Hank and his team, but these words could be seen as visibly causing some hurt to Hank, just by his facial expression, nothing more. Hank would then turn to the player and quip something very witty, very intelligent, in other words, very Wildean, putting the guy in his place.

Wildean, eh? I'll look up some Wilde quotes and see if anything jumps out that fits (probably for a paraphrase, if not direct quotation in the dialogue). :up:

The guy should look a little afraid beforehand, almost afraid of what Hank is going to do, but of course he isn't going to hurt the guy, only bring him down a notch with his uncanny vocab and clever wit. Then, when Hank goes to leave for home, he's coach stands in his way.
"He's right y'know, you might be smart around here, but you aint that smart! You think you can get away with that out there? No one, is capable of that, unless there takin' summin".
Hank would look genuinely insulted, and upset, and then we cut to the scene with Beast arriving home...


"Summin.'" :D
That's just hilarious to me for some reason.

It's not pivotal I know, but it just came to me and it develops somewhat on the reasons why he was expedited from the team, and also makes good use of his wit to a point. Let me know what you think. Again, keep up the good work :up:



I agree with you 100% on this suggestion and appreciate you posting it.
I may change the dialogue with the coach, but I'll try my damnedest to still have him say "summin'" when referring to steroids.

Putting this in after the game, and then having Hank called into the principal's office the next school day (I think that's what might happen in that situation, I have to look into that) with school authorities waiting for him there looking disappointed and displeased, that would probably get this information across in a more natural and overall better way and help to tighten up the scene at Hank's house.

Thanks, man. :up:

:wolverine

[The Batman]

I'm liking this, herr logan.

Cant wait to see what you're take is on the classic "Jean Grey meets everyone" scene

[Herr Logan]

I'm liking this, herr logan.

Cant wait to see what you're take is on the classic "Jean Grey meets everyone" scene

Thanks, man. :)

One of the biggest challenges for me here will be how to write for the Beast (which will be a constant problem throughout the franchise), and also how to make it plausible that he of all the boys at Xavier's would have the audacity to unexpectedly kiss Jean, inspiring her to give him a frantic telekinetic ride in the air.

In the first couple of comics issues, it was very clear that the Beast was written much differently than in the following issues; specifically, I don't think he was meant to be an extremely verbose or polite character at first, but suddenly changed at around issue #3 or #4. Even after that, Hank was written with a hint of mysogynism, at least in terms of the specific things he said about "females." Stan Lee must have found himself old-fashioned women to marry, considering some of the things Beast and Peter Parker said in the 60's and how the Wasp behaved.
The Hank McCoy I want in the movies is kind-hearted to all innocent people and playfully chivalrous. Even so, it would be wrong to change that one scene so drastically from how it was in the comics (Beast kissing Jean and getting twirled around in the air for it). I suppose it's on the reader to imagine how it will look, since I don't want to do too much "directing" in the written treatments. I want it to be more light-hearted overall than it was in the comics, and not have Warren Worthington about to start throwing punches over it.

Okay, I'm probably over-analyzing this way too much. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. :up:



Announcement: I've gone back and edited the posts featuring my Uncanny X-Men movie treatment (#107 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9093362#post9093362), #108 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9093734#post9093734), #114 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9107225#post9107225), #115 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9116652#post9116652) and #117 (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9119715#post9119715)) so that the dialogue is in script form instead of prose form. This may make it easier to read, and also edit.
I'm going to continue to edit them for content as well, whenever appropriate changes come to mind.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Okay, input needed here, guys:

At the beginning (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9093362#post9093362) of my Uncanny X-Men movie concept, I've got the scene where Xavier is in Egypt twenty years before the present time story. Xavier has his wallet stolen by a very young Ororo and chases her into a cafe where he meets the crime boss she works for-- Amahl Farouk, the Shadow King. After they both acknowledge that they're both mutant psychics, they do battle on the Astral Plane. The visual representation of this is a physical battle in a surreal, hallucinogenic atmosphere with armor and melee weapons.
Xavier, a relative amateur in psychic battle, somehow defeats the Shadow King on the Astral Plane and leaves him in a catatonic state.
Now, my current idea for this is that it takes place before the opening credit/title sequence of the film. It's a long teaser, basically.

Should I shorten this so that instead of actually going to the Astral Plane, Farouk and Xavier simply sit across from each other and basically act out a psychic "quickdraw duel"? Think back to 'Star Wars: A New Hope' where the bounty hunter Greedo is sitting across from Han Solo with a gun on him. Solo is holding a gun under the table and shoots first (in the real version, anyway). The point is, they're sitting down and basically have a duel. The combatants in my scene would also shoot energy blasts, but they would emmanate from their heads, be larger in size and would take the form of continuous beams, not single blasts. This would be faster and less disorienting than an Astral battle, but it wouldn't capture what really happened between these two in the comics. What do you guys think?

Alternate suggestions are welcome, too.

:wolverine

[Zev]

Okay, input needed here, guys:

At the beginning (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9093362#post9093362) of my Uncanny X-Men movie concept, I've got the scene where Xavier is in Egypt twenty years before the present time story. Xavier has his wallet stolen by a very young Ororo and chases her into a cafe where he meets the crime boss she works for-- Amahl Farouk, the Shadow King. After they both acknowledge that they're both mutant psychics, they do battle on the Astral Plane. The visual representation of this is a physical battle in a surreal, hallucinogenic atmosphere with armor and melee weapons.
Xavier, a relative amateur in psychic battle, somehow defeats the Shadow King on the Astral Plane and leaves him in a catatonic state.
Now, my current idea for this is that it takes place before the opening credit/title sequence of the film. It's a long teaser, basically.

Should I shorten this so that instead of actually going to the Astral Plane, Farouk and Xavier simply sit across from each other and basically act out a psychic "quickdraw duel"? Think back to 'Star Wars: A New Hope' where the bounty hunter Greedo is sitting across from Han Solo with a gun on him. Solo is holding a gun under the table and shoots first (in the real version, anyway). The point is, they're sitting down and basically have a duel. The combatants in my scene would also shoot energy blasts, but they would emmanate from their heads, be larger in size and would take the form of continuous beams, not single blasts. This would be faster and less disorienting than an Astral battle, but it wouldn't capture what really happened between these two in the comics. What do you guys think?

Alternate suggestions are welcome, too.

:wolverine

Well, since the power of suggestion and imagination is generally better than some Dragonball Z-wannabe fight, maybe just show them talking psychically (your standard "camera pointed at Actor A, Actor A voiceover, camera pointed at Actor B, Actor B voiceover"). Then suddenly Farouk makes a "bring it on" comment of some kind and we cut back to a wide shot of the two of them, just sitting there. What everyone else in the restaurant is seeing. Then suddenly blood streams from every orifice on Farouk's head and he collapses. Xavier, sweating and looking pale, gets up and says that Farouk needs a doctor. And... scene.

[Jakomus]

Well, since the power of suggestion and imagination is generally better than some Dragonball Z-wannabe fight, maybe just show them talking psychically (your standard "camera pointed at Actor A, Actor A voiceover, camera pointed at Actor B, Actor B voiceover"). Then suddenly Farouk makes a "bring it on" comment of some kind and we cut back to a wide shot of the two of them, just sitting there. What everyone else in the restaurant is seeing. Then suddenly blood streams from every orifice on Farouk's head and he collapses. Xavier, sweating and looking pale, gets up and says that Farouk needs a doctor. And... scene.That's a good idea.

[Herr Logan]

Well, since the power of suggestion and imagination is generally better than some Dragonball Z-wannabe fight, maybe just show them talking psychically (your standard "camera pointed at Actor A, Actor A voiceover, camera pointed at Actor B, Actor B voiceover"). Then suddenly Farouk makes a "bring it on" comment of some kind and we cut back to a wide shot of the two of them, just sitting there. What everyone else in the restaurant is seeing. Then suddenly blood streams from every orifice on Farouk's head and he collapses. Xavier, sweating and looking pale, gets up and says that Farouk needs a doctor. And... scene.

That's a good idea.

Well... yes and no.


I do welcome and appreciate your suggestions, Zev; I should just let you know that anything that would push a "PG-13" rating into an "R" rating, I ain't usin' it. I know this instance isn't that hardcore, but I shudder to think what you'd have happen when Magneto, Toad and Mastermind get their villainy on. ;)

I'm definitely not going with the "blood streams from every orifice on Farouk's head" thing. I don't want it to be that bloody. Possibly a trickle from the nose, but the main point is that I need to show that Xavier hasn't hurt him physically and hasn't killed him. He left his mind trapped where it can't hurt anyone. I need to find a way to show this without it taking too much time.

Perhaps he could tell Agent Duncan that he checks on Farouk every once in a while and he still hasn't emerged from that coma. That would establish the permanence of it, and that he's not dead. I think I'll use that line, though.

"This man needs a doctor," he'd tell the cafe owner, then he'd put his Indiana Jones hat back on and walk out. That's sorta badass, isn't it?

Thanks for the feedback. :up:


By the way, I read your 5-Minute X-Men 3. Good work.
Also, I just started watching 'Lost' on DVD, so that's a new dimension of pop culture references (not just in the Fivers, but in everything you write) that I'll now be able to understand. I just finished "Walkabout," so I got the part about Locke and the wheelchair. :up:

:wolverine

[Zev]

I do welcome and appreciate your suggestions, Zev; I should just let you know that anything that would push a "PG-13" rating into an "R" rating, I ain't usin' it. I know this instance isn't that hardcore, but I shudder to think what you'd have happen when Magneto, Toad and Mastermind get their villainy on. ;)

*Camera slowly focuses on Zev's head. On the soundtrack, screams, explosions, and gunshots are heard. A slow, Damien-like smile spreads on Zev's face.*

I'm definitely not going with the "blood streams from every orifice on Farouk's head" thing. I don't want it to be that bloody. Possibly a trickle from the nose, but the main point is that I need to show that Xavier hasn't hurt him physically and hasn't killed him. He left his mind trapped where it can't hurt anyone. I need to find a way to show this without it taking too much time.

Then just have him kind of "shut off" like a lightbulb so abruptly it's frightening, then a first-person perspective shot from Farouk aspeople check up on him (to make it clear he can see and hear, but can't necessarily do anything else).

Perhaps he could tell Agent Duncan that he checks on Farouk every once in a while and he still hasn't emerged from that coma. That would establish the permanence of it, and that he's not dead. I think I'll use that line, though.

"This man needs a doctor," he'd tell the cafe owner, then he'd put his Indiana Jones hat back on and walk out. That's sorta badass, isn't it?

Thanks for the feedback. :up:

Actually, I think the best bet would be not to go with the scene at all, unless you're setting up Farouk to come back later. Otherwise, the audience will be wondering what's the deal with the bald Egyptian guy (who the audience is even reminded of in the convo between Xavier and Duncan) throughout the movie. I know I would be.

By the way, I read your 5-Minute X-Men 3. Good work.
Also, I just started watching 'Lost' on DVD, so that's a new dimension of pop culture references (not just in the Fivers, but in everything you write) that I'll now be able to understand. I just finished "Walkabout," so I got the part about Locke and the wheelchair. :up:

:wolverine

Thank you kindly.

[x-mutantwings-x]

www.the-new-institute.piczo.com

[Zaphod]

Okay, input needed here, guys:

At the beginning (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9093362#post9093362) of my Uncanny X-Men movie concept, I've got the scene where Xavier is in Egypt twenty years before the present time story. Xavier has his wallet stolen by a very young Ororo and chases her into a cafe where he meets the crime boss she works for-- Amahl Farouk, the Shadow King. After they both acknowledge that they're both mutant psychics, they do battle on the Astral Plane. The visual representation of this is a physical battle in a surreal, hallucinogenic atmosphere with armor and melee weapons.
Xavier, a relative amateur in psychic battle, somehow defeats the Shadow King on the Astral Plane and leaves him in a catatonic state.
Now, my current idea for this is that it takes place before the opening credit/title sequence of the film. It's a long teaser, basically.

Should I shorten this so that instead of actually going to the Astral Plane, Farouk and Xavier simply sit across from each other and basically act out a psychic "quickdraw duel"? Think back to 'Star Wars: A New Hope' where the bounty hunter Greedo is sitting across from Han Solo with a gun on him. Solo is holding a gun under the table and shoots first (in the real version, anyway). The point is, they're sitting down and basically have a duel. The combatants in my scene would also shoot energy blasts, but they would emmanate from their heads, be larger in size and would take the form of continuous beams, not single blasts. This would be faster and less disorienting than an Astral battle, but it wouldn't capture what really happened between these two in the comics. What do you guys think?

Alternate suggestions are welcome, too.

:wolverine

I think stick with the Astral Plane idea, and alternate between scenes of Farouk and Xavier doing battle in this psionic-world of there's, to them simply sitting accross from each other in intense silence and concentration in the cafe. For the Astral Plane itself, I'd have it resemble something similar to the "training programmes" used in The Matrix, when Morpheous takes Neo onto the "white-landscape", and then has it match any design or location he so wishes. Remember when Morpheous took Neo into the world as it really was (Morpheous was sitting in a red chair at the time)? Well thats how I imagined the location of this battle being.

Actually, when I imagined the battle between Farouk and Xavier in my head, I imagined each opponent using their own psionic powers to alternate the structure of the plane at certain moments, to get the advantage over the other. I dont know how far this is exactly deviating from how the Astral Plane was presented in the early X-Men comics, but I thought it was a neat idea and I think theres enough room 'creative-exploration' so to speak in this case.

Thoughts?

[Herr Logan]

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You gotta pay to place advertisements in here, bub! :mad:

First pay, then plug; that's how it works, God dammit.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

I think stick with the Astral Plane idea, and alternate between scenes of Farouk and Xavier doing battle in this psionic-world of there's, to them simply sitting accross from each other in intense silence and concentration in the cafe. For the Astral Plane itself, I'd have it resemble something similar to the "training programmes" used in The Matrix, when Morpheous takes Neo onto the "white-landscape", and then has it match any design or location he so wishes. Remember when Morpheous took Neo into the world as it really was (Morpheous was sitting in a red chair at the time)? Well thats how I imagined the location of this battle being.

Actually, when I imagined the battle between Farouk and Xavier in my head, I imagined each opponent using their own psionic powers to alternate the structure of the plane at certain moments, to get the advantage over the other. I dont know how far this is exactly deviating from how the Astral Plane was presented in the early X-Men comics, but I thought it was a neat idea and I think theres enough room 'creative-exploration' so to speak in this case.

Thoughts?
Thanks much for responding, Zaphod. :up:

I guess if I'm going to keep the Astral Plane fight and put it at the beginning, I should put the opening intro (theme song, comic art, etc.) before it, instead of making the Cairo scene into a long teaser.

It's not deviating all that much, actually, to have them alter the landscape to suit them during battle. I believe they've done that in the comics, probably with Phoenix, if not the Shadow King. If I kept the Astral battle, I'd definitely keep this.
The Astral Plain would be much more psychedelic and creepy than what we saw in 'The Matrix,' but certain special effects could be shared.

The main point is to establish what a badass and natural talent Xavier is as a mutant psychic, and show why he takes the path he does. Since I don't intend to go into how he got crippled in this movie, or his failed romance with Moira Kinross, or into detail about his time served in the military and the apparent loss of his ******* step-brother, or his failed romance with Amerlia Voght (all of this should go in his own solo movie or miniseries... in a perfect world, a miniseries would air on basic cable or broadcast networks either prior to or simultaneously with the release of 'The Uncanny X-Men') I'm not sure if there's a place here to show what he's sacrificed for his mission. Even so, I'd like to show that he was willing to risk his psyche and his life the first time he faced an "evil mutant."
I haven't figured out an ending (or even most of a second half, really), but I think I'll bring Xavier in to help. Xavier > Mastermind's shenanigans, and considering how powerful that rat-bastard is on top of Magneto's physics-based powers, the X-Men are going to need some serious help.

I'm also pretty sure I want to have Xavier meet with Magneto on the Astral Plain, but just to talk, not fight. Magneto somehow has the ability to project his astral form and enter the Astral Plain (he had this in the comics), but I'd have it stated that Xavier can't track him back to his location mentally because Magneto has well-developed defenses against psychic invasion and manipulation (and this doesn't come from any helmet shielding, this comes from a combination of his mutant nature, his indomitable will, and practice). Magneto also has a fairly effective ability to block or distort Cerebro's scanning capabilities. It's not because he helped Xavier build it (because that's not the case at all... if anything, Moira McTaggert would have helped him build it), but because he takes such precautions automatically. A supervillain without a righteous dose of paranoia is only half a supervillain.

I've been re-reading some of the early X-Men issues, and there's at least two aspects I want to confirm for this movie:
Charles Xavier has a relationship with the government that goes beyond Fred Duncan. Duncan will be the government's liason with Xavier, and he will still be assigned to a task force that investigates human-mutation activity within the populace. Xavier is given the freedom and confidentiality to take in mutants, train them to use their powers safely and/or constructively and generally keeping them from becoming antisocial and dangerous. Xavier has a reasonably high, special security clearance with government institutions, for reasons known only to a few select people in the government; those same people are the only ones who know that it's Xavier behind this and where their headquarters are, and help preserve his secret.
There will be a civilian staff at the Xavier School for Gifted Youngsters. This will include a cook, janitorial workers, landscapists, etc. Wizard magazine once did a feature on how much work, energy and money it takes to maintain the Xavier Estate (it was freakin' insane!). An early issue of the comics has Xavier thanking Jean Grey for making dinner while the cook was away. I never saw a cook in the issues I've read (#1-24, and then many, many issues after the "Mutant Genesis" team came along). Now there's a real explanation for how anything gets done around that place. It makes sense, doesn't it? Before anyone argues that it's a security risk-- at least as far as information being leaked by the staff-- Xavier is a telepath. He knows which people he can trust and whether they're acting appropriately. I'll be happy to hear other arguments against this, though, since it is somewhat of a new concept.
I'm thinking of including civilian teachers to provide the prep school education these students are promised. Regular professors (of a high caliber, of course) will take care of the math, undergraduate-level sciences, literary, sociology, etc. material; Professor X will provide the tactical training, specialized insight into how to control and develop mutant powers, and he'll be providing a good chunk of Hank McCoy's graduate-level education in genetics and bio-physics, etc.I realize it may seem excessive for there to be a college-level faculty for a school of five students, but there has to be some explanation for how they receive a "normal" education. There are other options, though. One is Xavier psychically inputting his own academic knowledge into his students' minds (like he taught all the X-Men who needed it to speak English before the Krakoa mission). Another one (which isn't mutually exclusive with the former, since Xavier doesn't know everything a student may want to know before earning a degree) is to have computer programs do the teaching, including artificial intelligence to answer questions and interact as fully as a student would with a human professor. Hmm... I'm actually liking this idea a lot, now. The computer programs would be part of Cerebro, which is the computer operating system for the school, with the psychic-enhancing and mutant-tracking abilities being just part of it. It could potentially "teach" students psychically, saving much time.

Here's something else I'm considering, inspired by the events of issue #5:
Magneto used the Toad as bait to lure the X-Men. He had Toad wear a mask and compete in a track and field event series, using his leaping strength to win every event. The crowd reacted very badly and started to attack him, and the X-Men showed up to save him. The Brotherhood moved in and attacked the X-Men, seeking to kidnap whomever they could (they ended up taking Angel) so they could force them to reveal information on the X-Men and join the other team.
Should I have the first part of this plot, as in what happens before the Brotherhood abducts the Angel?



What do you think about all that?

:wolverine

[AeonFlux]

UNCANNY X-MEN (continued)

Cyclops origin/recruitment scene:


http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/original/Cyclops-Uncanny%28MindGames%29-Spz.gifScott Summers

:wolverine

Ok I know this doesn't really have to do with anything, but I died of laughter when I saw you put his nickname *Slim* on his shirt! Well actually I'm still dying! Anyways LOVE your ideas and I love these doll things they are looking really good! Great job, now give me more to read!:up::wolverine:D

[Herr Logan]

Ok I know this doesn't really have to do with anything, but I died of laughter when I saw you put his nickname *Slim* on his shirt! Well actually I'm still dying! Anyways LOVE your ideas and I love these doll things they are looking really good! Great job, now give me more to read!:up::wolverine:D

Thanks, Aeon. :up:

I didn't actually write "Slim" on the shirt; it was already there, and that was the best micro-hero of a young Scott Summers in civvies I could find.

I'll try to get some more treatment out soon. I've been less motivated in the past couple days with regard to the first movie, and I've been spending a lot of time thinking about the second. I'll try to snap out of it and get back on track.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Does anyone think I should trim Cyclops' origin/recruitment significantly (specifically cutting out some of the first contact scene), and maybe cut out the scene where Xavier presents the visor to him (or relocate and restructure it)? I feel that the less is shown towards the beginning, the creepier he'll seem to the audience. Maybe "creepier" is the wrong word for it; I want him to be somewhat mysterious, ominous, or at least hard to read a lot of the time. Having his eyes covered all the time, it's not hard to make Cyclops a hard to read guy, and the emotion he shows is probably the least of anyone in the movie. When he grows into the role of field commander through the course of the movie, I want him to come off as a heroic and benevolent, but somewhat scary guy. My version of Cyclops is not above using cold sarcasm with his enemies.

Also, does anyone think I should go ahead and give Iceman an origin/recruitment scene? I think that in the comics Bobby Drake's parents knew he was a mutant early on and his father was pretty upset about it. If I have it that way, he's the one X-Man who has parents who are displeased with their child's mutancy. That is, displeased with the mutancy in general as opposed to just aversive effects resulting from it, as was the case with Jean Grey. I got the impression that Jean's parents never rejected her for being a mutant, but because her psychic abilities (which had a relatively early on-set) led to a childhood trauma (her best friend dying in front of her) affecting her personally to the point where she was catatonic. Bobby's father is disturbed by his son being a mutant not for any ills it causes the boy, but because he's different. I'm not incredibly interested in writing a scene for Bobby Drake, but if anyone thinks it should be in there, I'll give it a shot. If he doesn't get an origin scene, he'll give mention of his father's attitude at some point in the movie.

The Iceman origin scene would involve him and his girlfriend getting mugged by several thugs, and Bobby would use his powers to defend himself, inciting the police to arrest him as well as the criminals. In the comics, the X-Men bailed him out of jail, but I just can't see Mr. Drake choosing to leave him in jail rather than take him home, even if he was afraid of him. Either he chooses not to call his parents (and I'm not sure that would work, since the police might call them in that situation), or his parents bail him out (or convince the cops not to file charges) and Xavier approaches him at his home. His parents would be somewhat relieved, as well as saddened, by Xavier taking Bobby off their hand and dealing with what they can't.
I've considered combining Iceman's origin scene with the Angel's, having the young couple the Angel saves be Bobby and his girlfriend, but I think that's a cheap, lazy move.

What do you guys think about all this?

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

13 hours and no responses, yet?! What kind of a God would let this happen??! :mad:


:o Anyway, here's another question:

In the beginning, should the school be called Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters and then change the name when the original students are older and new X-Men join (either the second or fourth movie, and I'm leaning towards the fourth), or should it be called the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning right from the beginning?

Speak!

:wolverine

[Zev]

I like the sound of the Institute more. Right, doing some more thinking and I think a version of Wolverine's "origin" is in order.

INT. DEPARTMENT H - DAY

Open on a CCTV feed. It shows the inside of a locker room-like environment. We zoom in on it until we actually enter the room itself. Comics fans in the audience might recognize a few members of ALPHA FLIGHT.

NORTHSTAR, confident, effeminate, sits in the corner, reading a magazine. PUCK, a very, very angry dwarf steps out of the bathroom, a length of toilet paper stuck to his shoe.

THE DOOR flies open and WOLVERINE steps in from the cold. He wears blue-and-yellow tiger-striped costume in keeping with the general aesthetic of Alpha Flight.

NORTHSTAR: Hey, the dwarf's back... and Puck's here too.

Wolverine walks right by him. He's sweaty, covered in dried blood both red and green, and we can see vestiges of FROSTBITE on his nose and ears (which heals throughout the scene as a treat for the sharp-eyed viewer).

WOLVERINE: Watch yourself, Queer As Folk.

NORTHSTAR: How did things go with tall, green, and handsome anyway? Any leads, oh master tracker?

With bushido speed, Wolverine SPINS on his heel. We hear a SNIKT sound that's over before it began and Wolverine's walking away again.

Northstar's magazine falls apart.

NORTHSTAR: Son of a...

He stands up and seems to blur forward, moving just a bit faster/out-of-phase with the world around him when the door opens and GENERAL CHASEN (fifties, career military) enters. Northstar and the others immediately adopt a deferential attitude. Except, of course, for Wolverine.

CHASEN: Logan, my office, now.

INT. DEPARTMENT H - CORRIDOR - DAY

Wolverine and Chasen walk through a hallway. Wolverine is towelling off the blood with a wet towel; the frostbite is completely gone from his face.

WOLVERINE: I'm not interested.

CHASEN: This comes straight from the top. The man has powerful friends in the United States.

WOLVERINE: We're not in the United States.

CHASEN: They cast a long shadow. This isn't a request, Logan, this is an order.

Wolverine stops, jabbing his fist into the wall in front of Chasen (which effectively stops Chasen from continuing on).

WOLVERINE: Maybe I'm getting tired of taking orders from you, bub.

Chasen backs down.

INT. DEPARTMENT H - CHASEN'S OFFICE - DAY

We recognize monitor from before. Now we see that CHARLES XAVIER has been watching it. Wolverine and Chasen step inside.

WOLVERINE: Who's the cripple?

Xavier ignores the remark.

XAVIER: I am Professor Charles Xavier, at your service.

WOLVERINE: I'm supposed to be impressed?

CHASEN: Apparently top brass are impressed, Logan. All I know is that the Professor wants to make you an offer.

Wolverine looks at Xavier, curious.

WOLVERINE: What's the deal?

XAVIER: I'll get straight to the point. I know of your powers. More importantly, I know why you have them.

Direct hit. Although trying not to show it, Wolverine is desperate to learn anything about his past.

WOLVERINE: Oh yeah?

XAVIER: You, my friend, are a mutant. And I have desperate need of mutants. I'm offering you a chance to become a free man, a chance to develop your powers and yourself to the greatest potential.

Wolverine considers it.

WOLVERINE: No more red tape, eh? Alright, Prof, you've found your man.

CHASEN: Hey, hey! Wait a minute! The Canadian government has invested a great deal of time and money turning you into what you are now! If you think you can just...

SNIKT! A SIX-INCH-LONG ADAMANTIUM CLAW emerges from between Wolverine's knuckles. He slams it into Chasen's desk.

WOLVERINE: You have no idea what I am now. So listen, and listen good, bub.

He raises his hand. He's impaled a CIGAR from Chasen's humidor on his claw He takes it in his other hand, bites off the end, and sticks it in his mouth.

WOLVERINE: I go where I want to go. C'mon Chuck, let's go.

They leave Chasen fuming.

XAVIER: (to himself) "Chuck"?



And that's the show. Also, Herr, what do you think of the possibility of product placement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrvSbTULeqM) in your hypothetical movie?

[Herr Logan]

I like the sound of the Institute more. Right, doing some more thinking and I think a version of Wolverine's "origin" is in order.

INT. DEPARTMENT H - DAY

[Text]

And that's the show. Also, Herr, what do you think of the possibility of product placement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrvSbTULeqM) in your hypothetical movie?
This is for your treatment, right?

I know you ain't suggesting I put these parts anywhere near mine:
NORTHSTAR, confident, effeminate, sits in the corner, reading a magazine.


WOLVERINE: Watch yourself, Queer As Folk.

Overall, though, this is good, and thanks for casting your vote on the school name. :up:

I'd be okay with some product placements. Beer plugs would be good for the second and third movies, where Wolverine and Nightcrawler get their drink on, fairly frequently. By the way, that video is hilarious. :D

"What's your favorite beer?"
"I'm partial to Molson's. What about you, elf?"
"I have no idea what kinds are available in this part of the world. Why don't we go find out?"
"I'm game, bub."

Wolverine will of course challenge Nightcrawler to a drinking contest, the latter not knowing that the former's mutant physiology makes him practically immune to the intoxicating effects of alcohol.

I'll put up my version of that scene later. Thanks again for posting.

:wolverine

[Zev]

This is for your treatment, right?

I know you ain't suggesting I put these parts anywhere near mine:

Too much? The point of the scene is that although Logan is technically working for the Canadian government, he's still a loner. It might be less distracting if he had a run-in with, say, the Vindicator or Sasquatch instead. In point of fact, the Sasquatch thing might work out better: let's say he runs into Beast later, gives him the onceover, and asks "You got any relatives up north?"

[Herr Logan]

Too much?

Way too much. It's bad enough my girlfriend likes 'Queer as Folk,' bought the first season (which means it sits in the same place as my superhero movies and video games) and Netflixed all the rest; I don't need any references to that in here or any other Safe Haven.

That's not a derogation towards any group of people, you understand (except for those responsible for producing that show and putting it on DVD, smutty-minded bastards that they are), I just don't relish the idea that she's seeing guys naked who are far more attractive than I am. Also, if there has to be gratuitous sex in movies and TV, I'd want it to be something I can work with during "alone time," and that show doesn't qualify.

And Northstar isn't effeminate; he's just a jerk. I don't care if he had a crush on Bobby Drake and engaged in "girl talk" with the school nurse. As far as I'm concerned, nothing that happened in Marvel comics within the last 7 or 8 years is real. He wasn't an X-Man, Emma Frost didn't go from self-proclaimed sex therapist to co-headmaster... all kinds o' stuff never happened. Jean Grey is comin' back, see, and Cyclops will welcome her with open arms and all his love... they're all gonna be a family again... they will, I tell you!!

The point of the scene is that although Logan is technically working for the Canadian government, he's still a loner. It might be less distracting if he had a run-in with, say, the Vindicator or Sasquatch instead. In point of fact, the Sasquatch thing might work out better: let's say he runs into Beast later, gives him the onceover, and asks "You got any relatives up north?"
That would be much better.

Still, engaging in small talk-- even desirive small talk-- reinforces the idea that he is a team player. I personally would keep his supposed teammates out of the picture to maintain an aura of overall solitude at Department H. The soldiers fighting him are wearing helmets that cover their faces, which dehumanizes them. It's basically just Chasen and Xavier, the latter of which gets a brusque "hello" and the former of which gets a less-than-fond farewell.

That's just my take on it. Generally speaking, it's not wrong to have Alpha Flight there. I just want to keep it simple and as close to the scene from 'Giant-Size X-Men' #1 as possible, plus the shot of him sparring hand-to-hand and with some minor modifications. The dialogue in the comics between Xavier and Wolverine makes no sense whatsoever in the context of luring Wolverine to leave his position to work for some stranger, unless Xavier was transmitting more specific information via telepathy, which is an option I'm considering.
Outside of any psychic communication, I want it to seem that Xavier's real hook for Wolverine was rolling into Department H and flat-out asking Wolverine to leave his position right in front of the General. That's some balls right there, and that's what Wolverine respects.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Does anyone think I should trim Cyclops' origin/recruitment significantly (specifically cutting out some of the first contact scene), and maybe cut out the scene where Xavier presents the visor to him (or relocate and restructure it)? I feel that the less is shown towards the beginning, the creepier he'll seem to the audience. Maybe "creepier" is the wrong word for it; I want him to be somewhat mysterious, ominous, or at least hard to read a lot of the time. Having his eyes covered all the time, it's not hard to make Cyclops a hard to read guy, and the emotion he shows is probably the least of anyone in the movie. When he grows into the role of field commander through the course of the movie, I want him to come off as a heroic and benevolent, but somewhat scary guy. My version of Cyclops is not above using cold sarcasm with his enemies.

Also, does anyone think I should go ahead and give Iceman an origin/recruitment scene? I think that in the comics Bobby Drake's parents knew he was a mutant early on and his father was pretty upset about it. If I have it that way, he's the one X-Man who has parents who are displeased with their child's mutancy. That is, displeased with the mutancy in general as opposed to just aversive effects resulting from it, as was the case with Jean Grey. I got the impression that Jean's parents never rejected her for being a mutant, but because her psychic abilities (which had a relatively early on-set) led to a childhood trauma (her best friend dying in front of her) affecting her personally to the point where she was catatonic. Bobby's father is disturbed by his son being a mutant not for any ills it causes the boy, but because he's different. I'm not incredibly interested in writing a scene for Bobby Drake, but if anyone thinks it should be in there, I'll give it a shot. If he doesn't get an origin scene, he'll give mention of his father's attitude at some point in the movie.

The Iceman origin scene would involve him and his girlfriend getting mugged by several thugs, and Bobby would use his powers to defend himself, inciting the police to arrest him as well as the criminals. In the comics, the X-Men bailed him out of jail, but I just can't see Mr. Drake choosing to leave him in jail rather than take him home, even if he was afraid of him. Either he chooses not to call his parents (and I'm not sure that would work, since the police might call them in that situation), or his parents bail him out (or convince the cops not to file charges) and Xavier approaches him at his home. His parents would be somewhat relieved, as well as saddened, by Xavier taking Bobby off their hand and dealing with what they can't.
I've considered combining Iceman's origin scene with the Angel's, having the young couple the Angel saves be Bobby and his girlfriend, but I think that's a cheap, lazy move.

What do you guys think about all this?

:wolverine
Okay, Zev convinced me to name the school the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning right from the get-go, instead of Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters. It sounds somewhat more prestigious and it makes more sense if the school takes in college-age mutants and older. The name should be changed in the second movie ('cuz Wolverine ain't no youngster) if it wasn't Institute in the first.

What about those other issues in the quoted portion above? Surely someone must have opinions!

Here are some other ideas I want to run by you fine people:


Okay, first the set-up--
'The Uncanny X-Men' features the original five X-Men vs. Magneto's Brotherhood of Mutants.


'Uncanny X-Men 2' features most of the 'Second Genesis' team (minus Thunderbird and Sunfire), Cyclops and Jean as remaining members, and Beast and Angel as reserve members who will be called back to fight (Iceman's out of the game completely, working towards an accounting degree) and Magneto vs. Sentinels, the Hellfire Club's Inner Circle, and Dark Phoenix. The trigger-happy Sentinels are powered with plutonium cores, and during an all-out battle with the X-Men, one of them becomes unstable. Jean Grey muffles the nuclear explosion with her telekinesis, and Magneto, who was blocks away at that moment, aids her as best he can. She ends up alive but burned out and comatose. It takes a week or so and she recovers fully, involuntarily (presumably) creating a new costume for herself, taking a new codename (Phoenix) and is more powerful than ever before. Mastermind and the White Queen of the Hellfire Club manipulate Jean with illusions and telepathy, urging her to become more in touch with her baser desires (sex and violence, specifically). The X-Men figure part of it out, eventually, and infiltrate the Club. Big, big fight, resulting in Phoenix flying into a murderous rage and attacking the X-Men. Jean Grey kills herself at the end. Wolverine leaves. After the funeral, held at the Xavier estate, Cyclops leaves, unsure of whether he's coming back or not.
By the end, Beast and Angel are out of the game completely, although they both "come out" to the public with regard to their mutant statuses (the Beast can no longer easily hide his mutancy, since he tested an experimental formula and turned into a gray, furry, more bestial Beast towards the beginning). Banshee is also out, about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way through, since he strains and/or injures his vocal chords in the fight against the Sentinels. He may stay on in a non-combat capacity.
After a week or so, Wolverine returns, challenging Nightcrawler to a sparring match early in the morning, the only rule being that the "loser buys the beer." He is now wearing an X-belt buckle, which he refused to wear before (it's symbolic of the committment, people!).

This here's the key part:
I know that in 'Uncanny X-Men 3' I want to have the 'Second Genesis' team, possibly without Cyclops altogether (or until the very end, maybe... leaving Storm as field commander and Wolverine her lieutenant), plus a 15 year-old Kitty Pryde vs. Mystique's Brotherhood of Mutants. Mystique's insidious plan is to have the Brotherhood assassinate Senator Robert Kelly, who is supporting the Mutant Registration Act for the sake of national security and is also currently running for President. Rogue is a member of Mystique's Brotherhood (the most powerful overall, because this is the real Rogue, with stolen powers from a character that need not appear in the movie, despite what some people say), but she'll leave them to seek help from Professor X, and subsequently she'll be an X-Man.
The other main storyline I'm sure of is Kitty Pryde training with and acclimating to the X-Men. Though she wasn't an orphan, she has at least two "parent" figures in Storm and Wolverine. She's got a mad crush on Colossus, so that will fill up some minutes, for the sake of faithfulness and to lure all the little teenyboppers who have a crush on whichever muscular, hearthrob actor who plays Piotr Nicholaivich Rasputin.

I'm not sure what else to put in the story, but I'm considering the Morlocks. This could prominently feature Kitty, since Caliban had a stalker-type crush on her in the comics. Callisto, the badass leader, would have the retired Angel kidnapped and brought to her for a shotgun wedding. I figure the same might apply for Kitty once she comes close enough to the "Alley" with the other X-Men. Caliban would of course choose to let her go by the end (not that the X-Men couldn't have forced him to... in the comics they didn't force them because Kitty promised to wed him in exchange for helping the X-Men, and although she welched on it soon after, she stayed "willingly" after they took her off the street and reminded her of her promise). What do you guys think of this?


I have a very, very vague idea of what's going to happen in 'Uncanny X-Men 4'. First, the roster:
Cyclops returns to the X-Men (if he wasn't with them already in 'Uncanny X-Men 3;'
Beast (whose fur is now very dark blue), Angel and Iceman return as well; Rogue is now a probationary X-Man;
Kitty is a full-fledged X-Man and well-trained in combat by Wolverine and in the use of her powers by Xavier;
Gambit and Psylocke join on as probationary members;
Jean Grey returns to the X-Men (I'll get to that a little later)
The X-Men are split into two strike forces--
Blue Team: Cyclops (leader), Wolverine, Shadowcat, Psylocke, Beast, Gambit, and Rogue
Gold Team: Storm (leader), Colossus, Iceman, Jean Grey, Archangel, Nightcrawler
All the X-Men are made to wear the standard uniform blue and gold skintight uniform;*
Soon after that, most of the X-Men decide they don't like those uniforms and will wear their own, most having some form of identification ("X" symbol)My idea for Jean Grey returning is that the true Jean was switched with a an almost perfect clone while convalescing from her ordeal with the Sentinels and the nuclear explosion. The clone killed herself to spare her friends (and the entire world) further violence on her part, thinking she was the real Jean Grey but feeling her darker side threatening to resurface, even after Professor X gave it a telepathic beat-down, the likes of which he hadn't dished out since he put the Shadow King in his place more than 20 years prior. Jean gets a clean bill of health and is ruled as being free of psychic tampering (Xavier is taking no chances this time).
A ruthless, sociopathic bio-geneticist with major superpowers named Mr. Sinister is the one who stole Jean and left a clone in her place, presumably to study her. She's been mostly unconscious during the meantime, and she doesn't know why he let her go.
I was thinking of having Apocalypse in this movie, being Mr. Sinister's benefactor and ultimately his master. Sinister would hire the Marauders to slaughter the Morlocks, and while the X-Men are trying to help them (after a huge portion of them are dead by the time they get there), they run into Gambit, who is there for reasons unknown (We know his reasons, don't we? He's trying to fix a mess he unwittingly had a big part in, to assuage his guilt somewhat). Gambit is accepted into the X-Men as a probationary member. He and Rogue have lots of sexual tension and banter/flirting, yadda yadda yadda....
Psylocke, a British, former intelligence operative with superb martial arts experience and natural Asian looks (I'm not going to bother with the Seige Perilous and the Mandarin and Revanche and so forth... she'll look Asian, speak with an English accent, be a ninja-level martial artist, and have a service record with M15, M16 or somesuch agency, and that will be it), will seek out the X-Men early in the movie on the reccomendation of Banshee, a former Interpol agent that she knows. She's disillusioned and/or dissatisfied with her position and wants something that puts her telepathic and psychical skills to the test. She'll be on the Blue Team, both because that's how it was in the comics and because that gives each strike force one psi-talent each.
There's lots of sexual tension in the Blue Team, between Gambit and Rogue, and also Cyclops and Psylocke. Psylocke has the hots for Cyclops, and he is of course attracted to her (you don't need perfect color vision to see how hot she is), but remains faithful to Jean. Eventually, Wolverine will tell Psylocke to knock it off and find someone else to pursue, like Beast or Nightcrawler. He assumes that Betsy is using some subtle psionic influence (because Scott wouldn't actually display any amount of attraction to another woman otherwise), and he couldn't stand it if Jean was hurt because some other telepathic minx pushed Cyclops in a position where it's hard to resist.
If Apocalypse is in the movie, then there will also be the Four Horsemen, at least one of which--Plague-- is taken from the Morlock Tunnels, suped up
and brainwashed. Caliban might possibly be chosen also, but not if his designation in the comics was Death. Apocalypse already has his eye on a potential candidate for Death-- Angel. Warren will get greivously wounded during the Mutant Massacre-- losing his wings-- and either be abducted outright or will attempt to kill himself and be secretly saved by Apocalypse (which is what happened in the comics). He'll be suped up, brainwashed and christened Archangel, the angel of Death.

I don't really know what else I would do at this moment. Comments! Please help me figure out what to do with movies 2 & 3!!


* Looks like this:
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/psylocke-costume6.jpghttp://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/storm-costume5.jpghttp://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/jean-costume8.jpghttp://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/gambit-costume2.jpg



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[Zev]

Well, the hallmark of the origin scene is that it basically explains (or, if not explains, then shows precedent for) how the character is going to act for the rest of the movie, plus, obviously, introducing us to him. Without that, you might has well go the movie route and just say "Here's Scott Summers, his superhero name is Cyclops, and he shoots death-rays out of his eyes." So if the origin scene is of Cyclops, we should get that having such a destructive power has led to him being so buttoned-down and repressed. Maybe a scene of him standing alone in the devastation, squeezing his eyes shut and covering them with his hands as a sort of visual metaphor. Beyond that, it's easy to get the audience bored. "Yes, we know he has laser-vision, yes, we know he's hooked up with Xavier, move on already!"

Likewise, as Bobby is the comic relief character, it doesn't make sense to have his "origin" be getting arrested and then abandoned by his father (unless you're trying to tell the audience that he's masking his pain with bad jokes, but that's kind of a cliche and it'd be nice to have one X-Man who isn't "ZOMG HUMANITY HATES AND FEARS US! ANGST!" all the time). So maybe a reversal of expectations. After all these scenes of Jean Gray's car crash and Cyclops' blow-up and explosions and mob scenes and FLOINGLAVEN... Xavier goes up to this kid and asks "How'd you like a free college scholarship?" "WOULD I!?" "Oh, and you're a mutant."

[Herr Logan]

Well, the hallmark of the origin scene is that it basically explains (or, if not explains, then shows precedent for) how the character is going to act for the rest of the movie, plus, obviously, introducing us to him. Without that, you might has well go the movie route and just say "Here's Scott Summers, his superhero name is Cyclops, and he shoots death-rays out of his eyes." So if the origin scene is of Cyclops, we should get that having such a destructive power has led to him being so buttoned-down and repressed. Maybe a scene of him standing alone in the devastation, squeezing his eyes shut and covering them with his hands as a sort of visual metaphor. Beyond that, it's easy to get the audience bored. "Yes, we know he has laser-vision, yes, we know he's hooked up with Xavier, move on already!"

Likewise, as Bobby is the comic relief character, it doesn't make sense to have his "origin" be getting arrested and then abandoned by his father (unless you're trying to tell the audience that he's masking his pain with bad jokes, but that's kind of a cliche and it'd be nice to have one X-Man who isn't "ZOMG HUMANITY HATES AND FEARS US! ANGST!" all the time). So maybe a reversal of expectations. After all these scenes of Jean Gray's car crash and Cyclops' blow-up and explosions and mob scenes and FLOINGLAVEN... Xavier goes up to this kid and asks "How'd you like a free college scholarship?" "WOULD I!?" "Oh, and you're a mutant."
I think you're right about most of this. I don't know what the hell you're talking about with that last sentence (after the FLOINGLAVEN), and I don't think Bobby is solely a comic relief character (he shares that job with the Beast), but yeah, I should skip a separate Iceman introduction and have him debut at the school.
In the first X-Men comic, the four males did a Danger Room workout before Jean Grey showed up. I don't think I want to do that-- I'd rather have them all enter the Danger Room together, even though the four males would have already trained there before, off-screen-- so I think Bobby will be introduced when they're all standing at a second-story window, watching Jean's cab arrive. They'll all make comments about how they finally have a female at their school and how hot she is (Cyclops says simply, in his typical taciturn manner, "I agree. She's very attractive," which will make Bobby laugh out loud, considering how many words the Beast used to say the same thing, and out of appreciation for deadpan line delivery).
At some point in the film, Bobby will divulge to someone (either the Beast, Cyclops or Jean) how he inadvertently caused a public panic and how his father rejected him. How does that sound?

As for Cyclops, again you're right, except for the "laser vision" and "visual metaphor" parts. His optic beams aren't lasers; they're heatless blasts of force that happen to give off light, but they're not pure light. As for "visual metaphor," I don't see what's metaphoric about it. Outside of ruby-quartz and adamantium, neither of which he has access to, his beams can only be blocked by his own body. It's a practical measure. :o :p

I guess I'll have it like this:
Scott Summers walks hurriedly through the steets as if running from something, his eyes let loose and drop the I-beam and then he blasts it away from the people below just in time, he takes off running and then hides in an alley or deep-set doorway, and then Xavier comes rolling up to ask him if he'd like some help.

I want to keep Beast's intro scenes pretty much as I laid out, taking Zaphod's suggestions into consideration. It should be relatively brief, though.

I don't know if I should show a flashback for Jean Grey (because her big turning point happened early than the others'), but I could just as well have her tell it to Cyclops.

Any other thoughts? What do you think of the Angel scene?

Thanks for posting, Zev. :up:

[Zev]

As for Cyclops, again you're right, except for the "laser vision" and "visual metaphor" parts. His optic beams aren't lasers; they're heatless blasts of force that happen to give off light, but they're not pure light. As for "visual metaphor," I don't see what's metaphoric about it. Outside of ruby-quartz and adamantium, neither of which he has access to, his beams can only be blocked by his own body. It's a practical measure. :o :p

Well, just like he bottles up his rage (and, well, pretty much everything else) he also bottles up his optic blasts.

I don't know if I should show a flashback for Jean Grey (because her big turning point happened early than the others'), but I could just as well have her tell it to Cyclops.

That might be good. Of course, I had in mind her being kidnapped as a young girl. Xavier is a psychic helping out on the case (this is actually done in real life). The police bust into the cabin where she's being held, some FBI guy tells Xavier "I think you should come see this." They walk in and find Jean crying, "I didn't mean to." The kidnapper is on the floor, dead, his blood spreading out in the shape of a Phoenix raptor. That'd be a hell of a visual to start a movie on (as well as show us WHY Xavier is taking in a bunch of teenagers).

Any other thoughts?

This almost made me cry. (http://www.qwantz.com/apologies/index.pl?comic=91)

What do you think of the Angel scene?

Thanks for posting, Zev. :up:

I don't know. The Angel scene scans more like something out of Daredevil or Spider-Man, while X-Men is a much different kind of film. Having an action sequence would probably break the flow of the introduction/origin montage (just like a lengthy Shadow King/Xavier battle would). I actually think X-Men: The Last Stand did a pretty good job introducing Angel, as well as running his arc (even if they did do it on fast-forward).

[Herr Logan]

Well, just like he bottles up his rage (and, well, pretty much everything else) he also bottles up his optic blasts.

Good point. Stan Lee originally wrote him as needing to release excess energy and feeling weak after firing a full-intensity blast. I would assume that his headaches come from said bottling.

That might be good. Of course, I had in mind her being kidnapped as a young girl. Xavier is a psychic helping out on the case (this is actually done in real life). The police bust into the cabin where she's being held, some FBI guy tells Xavier "I think you should come see this." They walk in and find Jean crying, "I didn't mean to." The kidnapper is on the floor, dead, his blood spreading out in the shape of a Phoenix raptor. That'd be a hell of a visual to start a movie on (as well as show us WHY Xavier is taking in a bunch of teenagers).


That origin doesn't belong anywhere in this thread, much less my treatment! That's not faithful to the source material at all! :mad:

I'm guessing you saw every episode of 'The Inside.'

This almost made me cry. (http://www.qwantz.com/apologies/index.pl?comic=91)

:confused:

I don't know. The Angel scene scans more like something out of Daredevil or Spider-Man, while X-Men is a much different kind of film. Having an action sequence would probably break the flow of the introduction/origin montage (just like a lengthy Shadow King/Xavier battle would). I actually think X-Men: The Last Stand did a pretty good job introducing Angel, as well as running his arc (even if they did do it on fast-forward).

'X-Men: The Last Stand' showed Warren Worthington the third as a kid who was significantly younger than the X-Men and not only wasn't an original member, but wasn't a trained X-Man.
I'll concede the point about the Shadow King battle, but there's no way any faithful movie starring the original team would present the Angel that way. Did he act arrogant or flirt with female members of the team? No. Did he share any kind of comaradery or other relationship to anyone at the school whatsoever? No. He was lip service, just like most of the characters in those movies.

Having the Angel be a superhero before Xavier or his students approach him gives him solid grounds for being slightly arrogant towards other members, especially Iceman. That rivalry is actually partly out of jealousy, since Bobby is the only male member who looks completely inconspicuous when he's thawed out and in civvies. Anyway, I figure if one of the members actually did become a vigilante before they ever heard of Xavier, I should play that up a little. I'm not delving into Scott's ordeal with Jack o' Diamonds or the Beast's ordeal with the Conquistador. I can cut the Angel's scene much shorter, the furthest extent being that the newpaper on the ground specifically notes that the Avenging Angel intervened in a street crime (with JJJ's editorial stating how that's detrimental to the city and the country at large), and it simply pans up to show Angel flying around deftly and returning to his apartment.

Thanks again for the input (even if you are trying to turn my movie into a bloodbath). :up:

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[Zev]

Good point. Stan Lee originally wrote him as needing to release excess energy and feeling weak after firing a full-intensity blast. I would assume that his headaches come from said bottling.

And, you know, the whole emotional thing.

That origin doesn't belong anywhere in this thread, much less my treatment! That's not faithful to the source material at all! :mad:

I'm guessing you saw every episode of 'The Inside.'

Actually, no, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

:confused:

You asked for thoughts, you didn't say what you wanted them to be about.

'X-Men: The Last Stand' showed Warren Worthington the third as a kid who was significantly younger than the X-Men and not only wasn't an original member, but wasn't a trained X-Man.
I'll concede the point about the Shadow King battle, but there's no way any faithful movie starring the original team would present the Angel that way. Did he act arrogant or flirt with female members of the team? No. Did he share any kind of comaradery or other relationship to anyone at the school whatsoever? No. He was lip service, just like most of the characters in those movies.

Having the Angel be a superhero before Xavier or his students approach him gives him solid grounds for being slightly arrogant towards other members, especially Iceman. That rivalry is actually partly out of jealousy, since Bobby is the only male member who looks completely inconspicuous when he's thawed out and in civvies. Anyway, I figure if one of the members actually did become a vigilante before they ever heard of Xavier, I should play that up a little. I'm not delving into Scott's ordeal with Jack o' Diamonds or the Beast's ordeal with the Conquistador. I can cut the Angel's scene much shorter, the furthest extent being that the newpaper on the ground specifically notes that the Avenging Angel intervened in a street crime (with JJJ's editorial stating how that's detrimental to the city and the country at large), and it simply pans up to show Angel flying around deftly and returning to his apartment.

Or he could be arrogant because he's a rich prettyboy. Just sayin'.

Thanks again for the input (even if you are trying to turn my movie into a bloodbath). :up:

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You're right, we need more sex to go with the violence. *plays "Let's Put The X In Sex"*

[Herr Logan]

And, you know, the whole emotional thing.

Emotions?

There's no room in an X-Men movie for emotions!!

Actually, no, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

Did you get thrown out or something?

You asked for thoughts, you didn't say what you wanted them to be about.

You want to play the semantics game with me? With me??

Just wonderin', is all.

Or he could be arrogant because he's a rich prettyboy. Just sayin'.

Considering there are more than one other, more character-specific reasons for this behavior than that, I figure I should put them in play.

You're right, we need more sex to go with the violence. *plays "Let's Put The X In Sex"*

'Uncanny X-Men 2' will feature Marvel Girl in a new uniform with mucho cleavage and a short skirt, Storm in her bathing suit of a costume, Storm showing a lot of skin (still PG-13, though) when caught naked by one of the other X-Men while swimming (and I'm not going to present it like everyone in her little villain in Kenya walk around naked or mostly naked all the time... I don't actually know whether that's true or not, but I'm guessing not... it will be stated as her own personal preference, allowed by her immunity to being cold and her "Yay, Nature" attitude in general), Jean Grey in her Phoenix persona initiating sex with Cyclops in an aggressive fashion (possibly... and if it happens, don't worry, I won't have Cyclops get so freaked out that he says "no," unlike in every crappy Logan/Jean fan fiction story I ever had the misfortune of looking at), and scandalous costumes a-plenty at the Hellfire Club headquarters. Plus, all X-Men costumes are pretty much skin-tight. Oh yeah, and for the men-lovers (shut up, I don't want to hear it), there's Colossus, Angel and Cyclops (at least two of which will be shirtless at some point). And Wolverine, if there are people who find the real Wolverine (5'3" and hairy, with a "tough-guy" face, not a 6'2" soap star with a half-assed Wolverine haircut and a little glued-on hair) sexy.

I ain't pushin' the sex factor even as far as the latter seasons of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' did, though, so if you want to sex it up, go ahead and slap a label on your post that says it's your X-Men treatment.

Mine is a tale that whole family can enjoy (especially the adolescent males with bedroom doors that lock). Aside from a particularly vicious scene of violence with Wolverine carving up the Hellfire Club's masked mercenaries, gratiuitously tight clothing and pseudo-bondage type costumes toward the end, there shouldn't be much to protest about from the decent, God-fearing, movie-going audience.

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[Zev]

Jean Grey in her Phoenix persona initiating sex with Cyclops in an aggressive fashion (possibly... and if it happens, don't worry, I won't have Cyclops get so freaked out that he says "no," unlike in every crappy Logan/Jean fan fiction story I ever had the misfortune of looking at)

LOL WHUT!?

I realize Scott is repressed, but c'mon. No man is going to turn down a Famke Jannsen lookalike just because she came back from the dead or whatever. I mean, maybe I can understand it if she just ate a sun or whatever, but EVEN THEN you've got have a "catch as catch can" policy.

I'd have the female costumes tend a little more towards the TAS versions. Because there's a time for eyecandy and a time for battle and frankly, the time when female superheroes go into battle dressed in bikinis, high-heels, and mini-skirts is over (or at least it SHOULD be). If you want some skin in your comic book, writers should do it the old-fashioned way... by writing in lots of gratuitous shower scenes.

I mean, GOD, haven't these people ever watched Skinemax?

[Herr Logan]

LOL WHUT!?

You heard me. :o

I realize Scott is repressed, but c'mon. No man is going to turn down a Famke Jannsen lookalike just because she came back from the dead or whatever. I mean, maybe I can understand it if she just ate a sun or whatever, but EVEN THEN you've got have a "catch as catch can" policy.

She wouldn't be a Famke Jannsen lookalike. She'd look like Jean Grey. That means no short haircut, no cold, aloof facial expressions (except when she starts turning "dark"), no 30-something year-old medical doctors, no fake-Jean bull*****.

Point taken, though.


I'd have the female costumes tend a little more towards the TAS versions. Because there's a time for eyecandy and a time for battle and frankly, the time when female superheroes go into battle dressed in bikinis, high-heels, and mini-skirts is over (or at least it SHOULD be). If you want some skin in your comic book, writers should do it the old-fashioned way... by writing in lots of gratuitous shower scenes.

I mean, GOD, haven't these people ever watched Skinemax?

No high heels while in battle, God dammit! Okay, Dark Phoenix dressed as the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club Inner Circle, but no straight-up, on-task X-Men are going to be wearing high heels to a fight unless they got pulled into a fight while in civvies, during off-time.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/jean-bigcostume3.jpghttp://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/storm-bigcostume1.jpg
I may change my mind about Marvel Girl's costume at the beginning of movie two, but Storm is going to wear her original costume, for at least movies 2 and 4, dammit!

Storm will have some gratuitous shower scenes-- in unconventional locations, too. She can shower wherever, basically, with her rain-making powers.

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[Herr Logan]

More on the the social side of our heroes in Herr Logan's 'Uncanny X-Men':

On a night that falls somewhere between the X-Men's first battle with Magneto and the final battle (in the first film, that is), Hank McCoy and Bobby Drake go out on a double-date with Vera Cantor and Zelda (from the comics). On this same night, Warren Worthington III takes Jean Grey out to dinner. Scott Summers, upset that Jean is seemingly dating Warren and that he didn't have the courage to ask her out or share his feelings about her, stays at the Institute and attempts a workout in the Danger Room. Cyclops will lose interest in his training sequence and opt to drive out to Salem Center on his own.

Bobby Drake has met an attractive young woman and asked her out. by whatever reasoning, he sets Hank up on a blind date with Zelda's friend, Vera. Hank is skeptical at first, then grateful, and then dismayed. Since graduating high school, Hank has been mostly preoccupied with his training, advanced academic studies and specialized research and development with Professor X. He hasn't socialized very much outside of the Institute, and while he was the Big Man on Campus back in Dunfee and quite popular, he's in a larger world now, and he now knows the kind of envy, bigotry and loneliness that comes with being a mutant. He feels that his "unusual" features will now draw more negativity than they used to.
Hank doesn't put much stock in blind dates, and says so. Bobby says he's seen Vera and she's right up Hank's alley. Hank asks for a description, and Bobby tells him that she's a pretty brunette with glasses who wears somewhat frumpy clothes and works at a public library in New York City.

The following only has some of the dialogue that would be in a finished treatment/script:

HANK: A librarian? You set me up with a librarian??
BOBBY: hey, don't go judgin' a book custodian by her cover, man.

*Hank flips over, plants his left hand on the floor and blances himself on it, casually rotating himself on the heel of his palm and stretching his legs*

HANK: A librarian?? The laudation you've merited with this avocation is illimitable, young Robert!
BOBBY: Zuh?

*Hank pushes off the floor with his planted hand, somersaults in the air and lands on his right hand, continuing his whimsical stretching*

HANK: I loves me some female librarians, and you da man!
BOBBY: I thought you might, and yes, I am.
HANK: Reiterate, if you will; when precisely is this rendezvous to transpire?
BOBBY: Tonight, actually.
*Hank pushes off the floor with his planted land, somersaults in the air and lands on both feet, standing in a stooped-over posture, a dismayed expression on his face *
BOBBY: Yeah, I know it's short notice, but the Prof gave us tomorrow off, so all the riveting hours of tinkering and studying or whatever you had planned for tonight, you can put it off.
HANK: It's not that, Bobby. I simply... I guess I just... I surmise my lack of exhilaration is owed to my cognizance of my anomalous, brutish personage.
BOBBY: Oh come on! Weren't you the the Big Man on Campus back home, with chicks throwing themselves at you?
HANK: Dunfee is a small town, and even if anyone in this locality knew about my illustrious football record, they would know that it did not consummate on a triumphant note. Here and now, I'm just an anthropoid with massive hands. She might recoil with repulsion when I offer a genial handshake. What then?
BOBBY: What then? I'll tell you "what then;" if Vera writes you off just because you look like a shaved ape with circus-freak hands and feet, then we drive 'em back home and call it a night. Just because we're sworn to protect a world of humans who hate and fear us, that don't mean we gotta entertain them for the rest of the evening.
*Beast grimaces at Bobby's use of "shaved ape with circus-freak hands and feet," but takes it in stride; he looks grateful and vindicated when Bobby finishes*
HANK: Earnestly?
BOBBY: Earnestly. We X-Men take care of our own, no matter how hot my date for tonight happens to be... please Vera, don't mess this up...
*Hank laughs at this*


Hank and Bobby take one of the cars on the estate (with permission, of course) into Manhattan where they pick up the girls at the library where Vera works. Their double-date goes very well, for the most part (I'll fill in details later). After hanging out in a cafe for a while, they opt to check out a bar in Manhattan where Zelda says they can get food and drink on the cheap, since she's friends with one of the night managers.

Scott Summers is in that same bar, and has been for a while. He doesn't even really know why he went in there, or why he spoke up when a grungy-looking guy came in and asked if anyone wanted to get their as kicked at pool, or why he agreed to bet $100. Scott has never played the game, so he isn't lying when he says he's not very experienced. Scott has an uncanny sense of geometry and spacial relationships however (a talent that serves him well in combat), so he starts off a little shaky and then totally owns the other guy at pool. Right when Hank, Bobby and their dates come in, Scott's opponent is accusing him of hustling (as in feigning lack of skill... you don't need to tell me other definitions of the word or pretend this is an example) and looks about ready to start a fight. Scott, in a foul mood, stands his ground, ready to take the other guy apart if he throws a punch. Hank tells Vera to excuse him for a moment, and walks over to Scott.

Cliffhanger! Gotta go, more later.

Thoughts?!


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[kame-sennin]

Okay, input needed here, guys:

At the beginning (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9093362#post9093362) of my Uncanny X-Men movie concept, I've got the scene where Xavier is in Egypt twenty years before the present time story. Xavier has his wallet stolen by a very young Ororo and chases her into a cafe where he meets the crime boss she works for-- Amahl Farouk, the Shadow King. After they both acknowledge that they're both mutant psychics, they do battle on the Astral Plane. The visual representation of this is a physical battle in a surreal, hallucinogenic atmosphere with armor and melee weapons.
Xavier, a relative amateur in psychic battle, somehow defeats the Shadow King on the Astral Plane and leaves him in a catatonic state.
Now, my current idea for this is that it takes place before the opening credit/title sequence of the film. It's a long teaser, basically.

Should I shorten this so that instead of actually going to the Astral Plane, Farouk and Xavier simply sit across from each other and basically act out a psychic "quickdraw duel"? Think back to 'Star Wars: A New Hope' where the bounty hunter Greedo is sitting across from Han Solo with a gun on him. Solo is holding a gun under the table and shoots first (in the real version, anyway). The point is, they're sitting down and basically have a duel. The combatants in my scene would also shoot energy blasts, but they would emmanate from their heads, be larger in size and would take the form of continuous beams, not single blasts. This would be faster and less disorienting than an Astral battle, but it wouldn't capture what really happened between these two in the comics. What do you guys think?

Alternate suggestions are welcome, too.

:wolverine

I think you can keep the astral plane duel, and still have the scene be short enough to fit into a teaser (from where you left off):

XAVIER: Not at all. I'm here on vacation. However, after what I've seen and heard in this city, I can't stand by, idle, while a corrupt psychic hold defenseless humans in terror and turns innocent children into theives.
FAROUK: I'm sorry to hear that.
Farouk nods ever so slightly towards Xavier. Ororo has a look of panic on her face, but remains silent.
Immediately, the nasty-looking men come back into the room and draw guns. Xavier's head quickly turns toward them and they instantly fall to the ground, unconscious. Xavier then turns back to Farouk. We move into a close-up of Farouk, after a moment, the screen flashes the image of a midevil helmet over Farouk's face. This cut is acompanied by a loud sond effect, perhaps some kind of electronic distortion. We immediatley cut back to Xavier, who flinches in reaction to the attack. We go back to Farouk and see another flash, but now, the entire cafe is gone and we see the full body of a man in midevil armor holding a scithe. Again, this flash is accompanied by loud sfx. Xavier flinches in reaction agian. Then he leans forward, and we catch a flash of Xavier in his own armor with the same sfx. With each cut, we go deeper and deeper into the astral world. As the scene continues, we see the same images that Herr originaly described in his astral plane battle, but they are presented in brief flashes and intercut with the subtle physical reactions of Xavier and Farouk. When the battle ends, Farouk's face goes blank and Xavier leaves. This way, the battle is compressed to no more than 30 seconds.

[kame-sennin]

I realize it may seem excessive for there to be a college-level faculty for a school of five students, but there has to be some explanation for how they receive a "normal" education. There are other options, though. One is Xavier psychically inputting his own academic knowledge into his students' minds (like he taught all the X-Men who needed it to speak English before the Krakoa mission). Another one (which isn't mutually exclusive with the former, since Xavier doesn't know everything a student may want to know before earning a degree) is to have computer programs do the teaching, including artificial intelligence to answer questions and interact as fully as a student would with a human professor. Hmm... I'm actually liking this idea a lot, now. The computer programs would be part of Cerebro, which is the computer operating system for the school, with the psychic-enhancing and mutant-tracking abilities being just part of it. It could potentially "teach" students psychically, saving much time.

:wolverine

I really like the idea of virtual teachers. Here's another idea; what if Xavier temporarily channels prestegious proffesors from around the world into his mind so he can present their lectures to his students. Essentially, for the duration of the lecture, Xavier would seem like he was possesed by whichever college acedemic he was chaneling at the time (of course he would actually be in complete control). Or, Xavier could even allow the X-men to experience being in the classroom with college proffesors via the astral plane or some such?

[kame-sennin]

Also, does anyone think I should go ahead and give Iceman an origin/recruitment scene?

Show, don't tell, my man. If you're doing origin scenes for Xavier, Scott, Hank, and Warren, Jean and Bobby should get origin scenes as well. Having the character describe their origins to other characters isn't as compelling on screen.

I've considered combining Iceman's origin scene with the Angel's, having the young couple the Angel saves be Bobby and his girlfriend, but I think that's a cheap, lazy move.

What do you guys think about all this?

:wolverine

When I read it, I thought the same thing, but I ultimatley agree with your assesment. It would be too convenient to combine their origins.

I'd be okay with some product placements.

:(

[Abaddon]

Kitty begins to get settled and meets a few of the other team members:Storm,Colossus,Bobby,and Hank.They all welcome her and speak of how its great to have addition to the Xavier school,etc.

Meanwhile,outside a restaurant we see Senator Kelly get into a limo with some of his other political buddies.They have a light-hearted exhcngae amongst themselves before the Mutant Registration Act is brought up.Kelly reaffirms his position("Its about protecting oursevles","It's putting our lives and our childrens lives at risk",etc.) and most of the others seem to be in agreement.As they turn a corner the ground begins to shake violently sending the vehicle off course.They end up striking a parked car.The driver rolls down his window and apologizes for the accident.He exits to check on the damage,and is followed soon after by one of the men who begins to chew him out.We see the man begin to curse at the driver and complain saying he's reporting him,when a very large shadow nears,looming over them both.After a few seconds the driver is seen jumping into the car and speeding away.Senator Brickman and his wife are tossed about the vehicle and Kelly begins to speak up.The driver turns revealing Toad,who gives the Senator a demented grin.Brickman begins freaking out and Toad responds by using his tongue to open the side door,sending him flying out of the limo.He then pulls the door(with his tongue again) and continues driving recklessly.Kelly begins to dial his cellphone,when Toad makes an abrupt stop.Kelly tries to explain his situation to the police,though with difficulty because of Mallory's screaming,and demands that Toad explain to him whats happening.Toad merely smirks and points up,and as Kelly looks his cell phone begins to shake until it pulls out of his hand.The roof of the limo is then ripped off,and Magneto is seen hovering casually above them.He gives the frightened Senator a greeting and without giving a second thought to the now unconscious Mallory Brickman,tries to escape.Magneto lifts the limo into the air is seen flying away with it(I imagine over a large body of water).


The story continues with Kitty spending the night at the mansion. Not being able to sleep in spite of having toured virtually every area of the mansion(or so she thought) she makes her way down to the kitchen. She looks through the fridge not finding much*and maybe making a comment about them not having anything kosher) and moves a milk carton onto the counter while she continued looking. Seconds later Nightcrawler,still half-asleep, casually bamfs behind her(in his jammies). He grabs the milk carton and begins drinking straight from it. Kitty gives up,and closes the fridge only to turn and find this horrible demon standing in front of her. Her eyes widen and she freezes for a moment. Kurt finished the last of the milk and lets out a belch,which Kitty apparently takes as a cue to freak the hell out. She lets out a terrified scream and the stunned Nightcrawler screams in response(though mostly because he didn't expect to be found in his jammies). She makes a break for it and Kurt follows after. He tries calling out to her but its clear she's too freaked out by his appearance. He bamfs in front of her only to her run right through. She cries out for help whilst trying to throw her slippers and whatever objects nearby at him. She turns a corner and ducks into a closet. She looks down and spots some sports equipment. She grabs a tennis racket and leans against the wall panting heavily. She begins to calm down as she no longer hears him calling,until Kurt turns the lights on,appearing above her on the ceiling. She screams and takes several swings at him,while he continues to try and reason with her. He grabs the racket with his tail and they struggle. She tries scratching him and Kurt grabs her arm. Panicking she looks down and begins to phase through the floor,unwittinglly taking him with her. They fall hard on the floor of the underground area. Scared and confused Kitty scuttle's away from Kurt and runs down the hall. He shakes it off and continues to follow after her. Thinking he's coming near she desperately phases through the wall hoping at some to reach some secluded room where she might be safe. As the wall ends Kitty makes it into a dark corner and breathes a sigh of relief. She looks around and notices she's surrounded by plants. She steps further out and eye catches sigh of a mechanical apparatus rising several feet away. It opens revealing a large gun which turns and faces her. She immediately reacts by shielding herself with her hands only to find the problem eliminated with the sound of the gun exploding. Several`other similar machines rise and each are blasted away in succession. Kitty pears over the plants and see's the blast are coming from the guy with the shades she met earlier,except now he was garbed in some strange militaristic costume,and a visor. A wind then picks up and looks over as Storm rises into the air and with a gesture blows back a series of razor-sharp shruriken being fired at her by one of the machines on the wall above. Amazed,she explores further and see's Colossus,battling a series of frog-like leaping robots. One of them knocks over a large boulder and Colossus whilst catching it and attemtping to hurl it back,he catches a glimpse of Kitty standing near a fast approaching spinning blade. "Look out!!" he yells,and a stunned Kitty manages to phase just in time. Unfortunately she's blasted from a behind a few afterwards by a concentrated beam of light. She falls to the floor and writhes from the burning sensation. As the beam prepares to strike again Storm fires a lightning bolt at it. Cyclops rushes over to check on her and as the gets up the the machines power wind down and the rainforest like appearance fades away. The other X-Men approach her confused as to how she made it in. Kitty looks at them and then around the mostly empty space and then up at the glass box,and more specifically at the blue demon waving at her through it.

Abaddon in general reminds me of a snake eating itself. :)

:wolverine


And you remind me of a dog sniffing its own butt.:)

[Herr Logan]

This seems random at the moment, but I just want to get these pictures all in one place and in a format that I can post on the Hype. Suggestions and thoughts are welcome.


The Many Costumes of Wolverine:

First Costume:
http://www.typingmonkeys.com/images/Wintroa.jpghttp://www.typingmonkeys.com/images/Wromita002a.jpg

The first costume in which Wolverine will appear in 'Uncanny X-Men 2' is a variation of this one. It should be modified to somehow make it somewhat more militaristic (including making those trunks a rapelling harness... an ingenious idea, if I ever heard one). You know, "Sam Fisher" it up a little. Also, it would be mostly composed of leather, to emphasize to those anti-source material herd animals that tights are more practical for agility. It's still garish-looking, I know, but I didn't design the suit, and I want to keep it faithful to his first appearance, anyway. Blame Canada!
Anyway, he'll be wearing this at the restricted-access Department H facility where Xavier arranges a meeting with Wolverine in order to recruit him.
I really think something can be done with that mask to fit his job description, and then the next costume he has, it'll be a much more direct adaptation of his most frequent mask design.




http://www.collectortimes.com/2001_01/Wolverine.jpg

Here is a costume design I just found. It came from here (http://www.collectortimes.com/2001_01/License.html).
This costume is a possibility for use in 'Uncanny X-Men 2,' or at the very least, it's an inspiration for a uniform based on the original. Basically, it would be the yellow and blue costume, with orange replacing yellow and black replacing blue.
The wingtips on the boots will be reduced to small outcroppings. The ones on the mask will be a managable size and tight against the sides of his head.


http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine18.jpghttp://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine154.jpg

This will be the costume Wolverine will wear in 'Uncanny X-Men 3.'
The same minor modifications to the mask and boots apply as before.
The color scheme will remain essentially what it was in the comics, except darker (dark brown and dark orange).


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/UX275.jpg

This is the standard X-Men uniform that all of the reunited and newly recruited X-Men are asked to wear toward the beginning of 'Uncanny X-Men 4.' Most of them will switch back to individual costumes soon after, however.


http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine190.jpg

The individual costume Wolverine switches to for most of 'Uncanny X-Men 4' might look something like this. The light areas are orange or light/medium brown, and the black areas can stay black. The gloves will extend farther up the arms, though, and the suit might have short sleeves. This mask is close to what the previous masks he'd wear in the other movies look like.


Thoughts?

[Herr Logan]

I think you can keep the astral plane duel, and still have the scene be short enough to fit into a teaser (from where you left off):XAVIER: Not at all. I'm here on vacation. However, after what I've seen and heard in this city, I can't stand by, idle, while a corrupt psychic hold defenseless humans in terror and turns innocent children into theives.
FAROUK: I'm sorry to hear that.
Farouk nods ever so slightly towards Xavier. Ororo has a look of panic on her face, but remains silent.
Immediately, the nasty-looking men come back into the room and draw guns. Xavier's head quickly turns toward them and they instantly fall to the ground, unconscious. Xavier then turns back to Farouk. We move into a close-up of Farouk, after a moment, the screen flashes the image of a midevil helmet over Farouk's face. This cut is acompanied by a loud sond effect, perhaps some kind of electronic distortion. We immediatley cut back to Xavier, who flinches in reaction to the attack. We go back to Farouk and see another flash, but now, the entire cafe is gone and we see the full body of a man in midevil armor holding a scithe. Again, this flash is accompanied by loud sfx. Xavier flinches in reaction agian. Then he leans forward, and we catch a flash of Xavier in his own armor with the same sfx. With each cut, we go deeper and deeper into the astral world. As the scene continues, we see the same images that Herr originaly described in his astral plane battle, but they are presented in brief flashes and intercut with the subtle physical reactions of Xavier and Farouk. When the battle ends, Farouk's face goes blank and Xavier leaves. This way, the battle is compressed to no more than 30 seconds.
X-cellent! :up:

Thank you kindly for that. I know I don't write very well for the Astral Plane, but I wanted to use it for a battle scene as well as for a conference scene (with Magneto).

I really like the idea of virtual teachers. Here's another idea; what if Xavier temporarily channels prestegious proffesors from around the world into his mind so he can present their lectures to his students. Essentially, for the duration of the lecture, Xavier would seem like he was possesed by whichever college acedemic he was chaneling at the time (of course he would actually be in complete control). Or, Xavier could even allow the X-men to experience being in the classroom with college proffesors via the astral plane or some such?

That's something I'll have to mull over a bit. I don't want it to seem like the global academic community is generally so trusting that they'd allow a mindlink with not only him but several other mutants. But I'm not dismissing it. I think if it were just a small handful of professors, that might be fine. At the very least, Xavier could transmit what he's learned from these scholars to his students via telepathy as well as classroom discussions (while Xavier is very strict in many regards, he doesn't ask his students to accept everything they hear at face value without question... just the life or death stuff...).

Either way, thanks for the idea. :up:

Show, don't tell, my man. If you're doing origin scenes for Xavier, Scott, Hank, and Warren, Jean and Bobby should get origin scenes as well. Having the character describe their origins to other characters isn't as compelling on screen.
I'm torn on this. Zev has a point (what the hell is this world coming to??), but at the same time, I can see it working with all five X-Men having origin/recruitment scenes.

I would want to keep Iceman's scene very brief, as I wouldn't want to dwell on certain aspects of it (I wouldn't want to be distracted by thoughts of "He tried to rape your woman, boy, why the feck didn't you freeze his punk-ass to death?!")

Cyclops' scene should also be relatively brief, or perhaps it should just be written by someone other than myself (although I'd still make the call whether to include it in my treatment). The stuff I wrote on that was clearly a cinematic miscarriage. With Cyclops, I actually do want some things to be outright told instead of merely shown, because having him-- the most introverted of all the X-Men-- open up to Jean Grey is one of the ways I want to show the audience how much he cares for her.
As much fun as it would be to give him a voiceover monologue that repeatedly says,
CYCLOPS: If only I could tell Jean how I love her so... If only she loved me... but I have no right to be with her, because I am cursed with this deadly power that puts everyone around me in danger.
I think I'd rather save that for Zev's inevitable "Five Minute 'Uncanny X-Men.'" That would of course be followed by:
PROFESSOR X: If only I could tell Jean how I love her and have loved her for years... but I have no right to be with her, because I am crippled. The fact that she's still a teenager and I'm 50-something who knew her as a pre-teen is a small hurdle in comparison to my shameful handicap.
MATT MURDOCK: If only I could tell Karen how I love her so... If only she loved me... but I have no right to be with her, because I am blind. The fact that she's a civilian and I'm an uncompromising vigilante with a penchant for making enemies obsessed with destroying my life is a small hurdle in comparison to my shameful handicap.
FOGGY NELSON: If only I could tell Karen how I love her so... If only she loved me... If only I'd realized back in the day that Matt was too busy feeling guilty over his accident-inflicted blindness to make a move on her, I'd have tapped that ass by the time someone else told him that solid red looks better than yellow and black (Issue #7, I think).
See? I can't even write parody well.

Anyway, I believe a certain amount of telling is needed for Cyclops' character development. People can rationalize giving his character the shaft because he can't emote with his eyes fully covered (the same lame-ass reason they think the Batman shouldn't have lenses in his cowl, despite the fact that those are actually somewhat "realistic"), but what they need to realize is that Cyclops doesn't emote much at all unless someone makes him either really, really happy or really, really upset. When it's the former, he usually says something embarrassingly schmaltzy. When it's the latter, he usually punctuates his verbal outbursts by knocking someone on their ass (Wolverine, his father, etc.) or flattening a forest with his optic beams.
The way I wrote him before, he comes off like a typical scared teenager in bad situation, and that was stupid. Another thing people need to realize is that Scott Summers isn't typical. Very few of the X-Men are. That's another reason why "realism" has such superficial value in a franchise like this.

Okay, so I'll try to come up with a brief origin scene for Iceman and also for Jean Grey. Do you think some of these scenes should be spread throughout the movie in flashbacks?

Also, should the Scarlet Witch have a flashback where a crowd of people are attacking her, Quicksilver is being blocked from helping her and Magneto saves her, placing her in his debt? Remember, none of them knows that Magneto is the twins' father at this point.

I'm also torn about whether to give Magneto a Holocaust flashback, and whether to show a flashback to when Xavier and he were friends who only engaged each other with their words and chess pieces, not mutant powers and minions.

Let me know what you think.

When I read it, I thought the same thing, but I ultimatley agree with your assesment. It would be too convenient to combine their origins.
Yeah, exactly.

:(
Hey, I'm not saying my story and soul are for sale! I'm saying that if things can be worked in without interfering with the story, then it's fine with me. I mean, the first movie alone, done properly, would be expensive as hell. They're all supposed to be about three hours each, and all of them are special effects-heavy (by nature they have to be).

When Cyclops, Beast and Hank are in the bar, there will be signs up on the walls for specific brands of beer and other drinks, not to mention bottles with labels, just like in real life. Hank McCoy will most likely be eating whenever he's seen studying in his room (with one hand on his book, the other hand handling the food, one foot writing out literary prose or mathematic equations with a pencil, and the other foot steadying himself), and that right there is another easy plug that doesn't intrude. Also, how unlikely would it be for one of the mutants, hero or villain, to be knocked into the air in a public location so hard that they slam into a billboard advertisement? Considering the history of the X-Men, not very. Like I said, I'm not trying to sell out, but I'll make reasonable compromises.

Not that this really matters to me, but I also have a hypothesis that seeing real-life products in the movies will make it more "realistic" on some level, and that makes it more enjoyable to those of weak imagination that insist that contemporary superhero movies be "realistic." On the other hand, maybe some of them will have the profound audacity to criticize it for "selling out." Those people haven't the right to say that about anything I would do as director/producer, because their expressed desire to strip these characters and stories of their fantasy elements is already the ultimate sell-out.

Anyway, I've rambled nigh-incoherently enough for one night. Thanks very much for your input, Kame-sennin. :up:

:wolverine

[Zev]

More and more I'm leaning towards the option that, to cover the origins of the X-Men (and possibly now the Brotherhood as well), that instead of making the film too top-heavy with a whole bunch of flashback "secret origins" at the start, instead intersperse them throughout the whole movie like Memento or (fine, I'll say it) Lost. Just jump straight into the action with Kitty Pryde arriving at the Mansion and leap back in time whenever we need to break for air or clarify a character point.

So, for instance, we'd see Jean get angry with Scott over him being unable to express his feelings. She storms off, crying "Why can't you just tell me how you feel?" Flashback to the first incident with optic blasts that left Scott with the subconscious idea that any time he lets himself go, anytime he loses control, Bad Things Will Happen. Likewise, Kitty could ask Xavier "Why did you start the X-Men anyway?" Flashback to Shadow King and return for Xavier to deliver The Moral of The Story (dangerous mutant this, world that hates and fears them that, you know the rest).

[Herr Logan]

More and more I'm leaning towards the option that, to cover the origins of the X-Men (and possibly now the Brotherhood as well), that instead of making the film too top-heavy with a whole bunch of flashback "secret origins" at the start, instead intersperse them throughout the whole movie like Memento or (fine, I'll say it) Lost. Just jump straight into the action with Kitty Pryde arriving at the Mansion and leap back in time whenever we need to break for air or clarify a character point.

So, for instance, we'd see Jean get angry with Scott over him being unable to express his feelings. She storms off, crying "Why can't you just tell me how you feel?" Flashback to the first incident with optic blasts that left Scott with the subconscious idea that any time he lets himself go, anytime he loses control, Bad Things Will Happen. Likewise, Kitty could ask Xavier "Why did you start the X-Men anyway?" Flashback to Shadow King and return for Xavier to deliver The Moral of The Story (dangerous mutant this, world that hates and fears them that, you know the rest).

I'm guessing this is in response to Abaddon's concept, as Kitty Pryde isn't in my first movie. Also, there aren't any grounds or need to emulate 'Lost' in terms of character development with five X-Men who haven't ever met each other before and one professor who's known one student, so I'll let Abby respond in more detail.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

The story continues with Kitty spending the night at the mansion. Not being able to sleep in spite of having toured virtually every area of the mansion(or so she thought) she makes her way down to the kitchen. She looks through the fridge not finding much*and maybe making a comment about them not having anything kosher) and moves a milk carton onto the counter while she continued looking. Seconds later Nightcrawler,still half-asleep, casually bamfs behind her(in his jammies). He grabs the milk carton and begins drinking straight from it. Kitty gives up,and closes the fridge only to turn and find this horrible demon standing in front of her. Her eyes widen and she freezes for a moment. Kurt finished the last of the milk and lets out a belch,which Kitty apparently takes as a cue to freak the hell out. She lets out a terrified scream and the stunned Nightcrawler screams in response(though mostly because he didn't expect to be found in his jammies). She makes a break for it and Kurt follows after. He tries calling out to her but its clear she's too freaked out by his appearance. He bamfs in front of her only to her run right through. She cries out for help whilst trying to throw her slippers and whatever objects nearby at him. She turns a corner and ducks into a closet. She looks down and spots some sports equipment. She grabs a tennis racket and leans against the wall panting heavily. She begins to calm down as she no longer hears him calling,until Kurt turns the lights on,appearing above her on the ceiling. She screams and takes several swings at him,while he continues to try and reason with her. He grabs the racket with his tail and they struggle. She tries scratching him and Kurt grabs her arm. Panicking she looks down and begins to phase through the floor,unwittinglly taking him with her. They fall hard on the floor of the underground area. Scared and confused Kitty scuttle's away from Kurt and runs down the hall. He shakes it off and continues to follow after her. Thinking he's coming near she desperately phases through the wall hoping at some to reach some secluded room where she might be safe. As the wall ends Kitty makes it into a dark corner and breathes a sigh of relief. She looks around and notices she's surrounded by plants. She steps further out and eye catches sigh of a mechanical apparatus rising several feet away. It opens revealing a large gun which turns and faces her. She immediately reacts by shielding herself with her hands only to find the problem eliminated with the sound of the gun exploding. Several`other similar machines rise and each are blasted away in succession. Kitty pears over the plants and see's the blast are coming from the guy with the shades she met earlier,except now he was garbed in some strange militaristic costume,and a visor. A wind then picks up and looks over as Storm rises into the air and with a gesture blows back a series of razor-sharp shruriken being fired at her by one of the machines on the wall above. Amazed,she explores further and see's Colossus,battling a series of frog-like leaping robots. One of them knocks over a large boulder and Colossus whilst catching it and attemtping to hurl it back,he catches a glimpse of Kitty standing near a fast approaching spinning blade. "Look out!!" he yells,and a stunned Kitty manages to phase just in time. Unfortunately she's blasted from a behind a few afterwards by a concentrated beam of light. She falls to the floor and writhes from the burning sensation. As the beam prepares to strike again Storm fires a lightning bolt at it. Cyclops rushes over to check on her and as the gets up the the machines power wind down and the rainforest like appearance fades away. The other X-Men approach her confused as to how she made it in. Kitty looks at them and then around the mostly empty space and then up at the glass box,and more specifically at the blue demon waving at her through it.


This sounds great. :up:

One thing I'm bothered by, though: Would Kurt really be in so deep a hypnogogic state that he would grab the milk that Kitty set aside for herself and drink it all straight from the carton? I would think Nightcrawler would have been trained to be more alert than to not notice another person in the room, and he is much too well-mannered to do something like that if he knew someone else was there.

And you remind me of a dog sniffing its own butt.:)

...

Eh, I got nothin'.

:wolverine

[kame-sennin]

X-cellent! :up:

Thank you kindly for that. I know I don't write very well for the Astral Plane, but I wanted to use it for a battle scene as well as for a conference scene (with Magneto).

Thank you. I thought your astral plane write up was fine and the most logical way to shorten it would be to simply cut down the length of the battle. If you think about it, psychic battles probably don't last that long in real time anyway, so this is a good way of showing how much information is going on in the character's minds in a brief amount of time.

That's something I'll have to mull over a bit. I don't want it to seem like the global academic community is generally so trusting that they'd allow a mindlink with not only him but several other mutants.

Who said it would be voluntary ;). The way I imagined it, Proffesor X would be the psychic equivalent of an internet classroom, where his students would be able to see and hear what's going on in a real class taking place a great distance away. Taping into a proffesor's mind to create this would not be such a violation , IMHO, that Xavier woud feel bad about doing it without said proffessor's opinion.

Of course, these are just random ideas, and I really like the virtual classroom thing. Additionally, teaching the X-men courses the way he tought some of them English would also work, and be the easiest "movie way" of explaining their education.

I'm torn on this. Zev has a point (what the hell is this world coming to??), but at the same time, I can see it working with all five X-Men having origin/recruitment scenes.

With Cyclops, I actually do want some things to be outright told instead of merely shown, because having him-- the most introverted of all the X-Men-- open up to Jean Grey is one of the ways I want to show the audience how much he cares for her... Anyway, I believe a certain amount of telling is needed for Cyclops' character development.

As there are exceptions to every rule, I think this falls under the exception. If having Cyclops explain his origin's to another character is a key part of his arc, then it works. But I still think you should show some part of the origin for Bobby. Maybe Cyclops can be the only character without an origin scene which might add to the mystery of the character, and we do not find out the depressing truth untill much later in the film during a quiet scene with Jean? Just throwing out ideas.

People can rationalize giving his character the shaft because he can't emote with his eyes fully covered (the same lame-ass reason they think the Batman shouldn't have lenses in his cowl, despite the fact that those are actually somewhat "realistic"), but what they need to realize is that Cyclops doesn't emote much at all unless someone makes him either really, really happy or really, really upset. When it's the former, he usually says something embarrassingly schmaltzy. When it's the latter, he usually punctuates his verbal outbursts by knocking someone on their ass (Wolverine, his father, etc.) or flattening a forest with his optic beams.
The way I wrote him before, he comes off like a typical scared teenager in bad situation, and that was stupid. Another thing people need to realize is that Scott Summers isn't typical. Very few of the X-Men are. That's another reason why "realism" has such superficial value in a franchise like this.

I agree. You have to walk a fine line with Cyclops because you risk making the character boring and uninteresting to the audience. However, if the filmmaker generally cares about the character (and I imagine you do), than I doubt this would be a problem.

And don't get me started on the Batman thing. Heaven forbid a mysterious creature of the night should... hide his emotions! People are idiots.

Okay, so I'll try to come up with a brief origin scene for Iceman and also for Jean Grey. Do you think some of these scenes should be spread throughout the movie in flashbacks?

That's becoming very popular in film and television today (Begins, Lost, ect.), but that doesn't mean it's bad. I think the key deciding factor has to be the pace of the film. If the pace of the film is even and comfortable, leave the beginning at the beginning. If it's not, than you might want to inter disperse the origins. But leave that damn Xavier intro at the beginning of the film. It's a good tease, and drives home the point you are making in your X-men film; that Xavier believes he is a hero who must fight against renegade mutants who threaten humanity (as well as other mutants). That's an interesting point that's almost non-existant in the current franchise, and hasn't been touched on much in recent comics (except Whedon's). Now adays, the X-men are looked at as more of a paramilitary strike force, and if you want your X-men to come off as heros (or would-be heros), you should show that.

Also, should the Scarlet Witch have a flashback where a crowd of people are attacking her, Quicksilver is being blocked from helping her and Magneto saves her, placing her in his debt? Remember, none of them knows that Magneto is the twins' father at this point.

I'm also torn about whether to give Magneto a Holocaust flashback, and whether to show a flashback to when Xavier and he were friends who only engaged each other with their words and chess pieces, not mutant powers and minions.

Let me know what you think.

I'm hesistant about villain flashback scenes as you run the risk of exhausting the audience. A Magneto flashback could work, as it was one of the only things the current franchise really nailed. As for the Scarlet Witch, perhaps Magneto could perform some act of kindness during the course of the film, or, something could come up and she would be reminded of the debt she owes him. I'm not sure either way. Hell, someone could ask her why she works for him and she could say, "Magnus saved us from the bloodthirty human mob. I would die for him." (And I am well aware that suggesting this is a bit hypocritical, but rules are meant to be broken:cool:). I would also avoid Xavier/Magneto flahbacks. It should be obvious from the dialogue that they were once friends, and you'll have more than one movie to develope their relationship. You won't need to cram everything into one film.

Hey, I'm not saying my story and soul are for sale! I'm saying that if things can be worked in without interfering with the story, then it's fine with me. I mean, the first movie alone, done properly, would be expensive as hell. They're all supposed to be about three hours each, and all of them are special effects-heavy (by nature they have to be).

When Cyclops, Beast and Hank are in the bar, there will be signs up on the walls for specific brands of beer and other drinks, not to mention bottles with labels, just like in real life. Hank McCoy will most likely be eating whenever he's seen studying in his room (with one hand on his book, the other hand handling the food, one foot writing out literary prose or mathematic equations with a pencil, and the other foot steadying himself), and that right there is another easy plug that doesn't intrude. Also, how unlikely would it be for one of the mutants, hero or villain, to be knocked into the air in a public location so hard that they slam into a billboard advertisement? Considering the history of the X-Men, not very. Like I said, I'm not trying to sell out, but I'll make reasonable compromises.

Not that this really matters to me, but I also have a hypothesis that seeing real-life products in the movies will make it more "realistic" on some level, and that makes it more enjoyable to those of weak imagination that insist that contemporary superhero movies be "realistic." On the other hand, maybe some of them will have the profound audacity to criticize it for "selling out." Those people haven't the right to say that about anything I would do as director/producer, because their expressed desire to strip these characters and stories of their fantasy elements is already the ultimate sell-out.

I'm just bustin your balls, I'm kind of an anti-corporate guy. However, I completley agree that having real life brand names scattered through a film does help to make the audience feel that they are seeing a world similar, if not identical, to their own. As a matter of fact, removing brand labels, which is done in some films, often stands out and seems awkward. The key is restraint. Does it make sense for Peter Parker to use a soda can as webbing target practice in SM1? Of course it does. Is there anything wrong with the can clearly reading "Dr. Pepper"? Absolutley not. But is it nessescary for that can to get a full two second close up (an eternity in film) when Peter Parker loudly and awkwardly slams the can down on his dresser? Just a bit.

So yah, it's no biggy that Wolverine drinks name-brand beer, and storm crashes into a giant billboard. Just as long as the cinematographer hasn't sold his soul to Wallmart, it'll be ok;)

Anyway, I've rambled nigh-incoherently enough for one night. Thanks very much for your input, Kame-sennin. :up:

:wolverine

My pleasure. I really like how this X-men franchise is turning out, and I'm impressed that you're able to start from the first team and still make it really engaging.

[Abaddon]

This sounds great. :up:

One thing I'm bothered by, though: Would Kurt really be in so deep a hypnogogic state that he would grab the milk that Kitty set aside for herself and drink it all straight from the carton? I would think Nightcrawler would have been trained to be more alert than to not notice another person in the room, and he is much too well-mannered to do something like that if he knew someone else was there.


:wolverine

Hmm,probably not,I kinda cut corners on that one.:o

I just needed a way to work around the fact that Kurt was actually trying to avoid frightening Kitty with his appearance,which would probably involve a shot of him hiding in the shadows when Kitty meets the others. I also want his first appearance to be humorous by showing him act very human, in spite of his looks.If you have any particular suggestions feel free to share.:up:

[Zev]

I'm guessing this is in response to Abaddon's concept, as Kitty Pryde isn't in my first movie. Also, there aren't any grounds or need to emulate 'Lost' in terms of character development with five X-Men who haven't ever met each other before and one professor who's known one student, so I'll let Abby respond in more detail.

:wolverine

Actually, it is yours. The flashback thing is mostly because you've got five students whose origins you want to show (four if you leave out Bobby), plus Xavier's, plus Magneto and maybe other evil mutants. Assuming five minutes for each origin (just spit-balling there), that's at least a half-hour of origin and exposition before our guys even meet. Assuming at least twenty minutes of "Hellos," character development, and training, we're reaching Hulk-like levels of treading water before getting to any action.

[Herr Logan]

Hmm,probably not,I kinda cut corners on that one.:o

I just needed a way to work around the fact that Kurt was actually trying to avoid frightening Kitty with his appearance,which would probably involve a shot of him hiding in the shadows when Kitty meets the others. I also want his first appearance to be humorous by showing him act very human, in spite of his looks.If you have any particular suggestions feel free to share.:up:

I don't have any ideas on that score for now. That's either because I got no sleep last night and took a test I probably failed this morning (and had to take a bus to get there, as you know already know), or because I'm hording those ideas for myself. :o

I'll try to think of something that doesn't top my own material. ;) :up:

:wolverine

[Zev]

Superpowers Storm really should use.

Sandstorm (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/120161/sandstorm_in_iraq/)

Tornado. (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/73261/tornado_is_born/)

[Herr Logan]

Actually, it is yours. The flashback thing is mostly because you've got five students whose origins you want to show (four if you leave out Bobby), plus Xavier's, plus Magneto and maybe other evil mutants. Assuming five minutes for each origin (just spit-balling there), that's at least a half-hour of origin and exposition before our guys even meet. Assuming at least twenty minutes of "Hellos," character development, and training, we're reaching Hulk-like levels of treading water before getting to any action.
If I skipped over Iceman, I was also going to skip over Jean Grey. Granted, her history with Xavier is important, and will be explained through dialogue, but it's not all that visually impressive. I doubt she'd be ashamed of what happened to her (psychically experiencing the sudden death of her best friend when they were ten and becoming catatonic), but it's also something she'd probably only tell someone she really trusted during her first months back at Xavier's school. It is important to mention that Xavier was the one who helped Jean when no one else could, that she was his first student and that he blocked her telepathic powers until she was older and better equipped to deal with them; I think it's something that the audience could just as well find out through her divulging it to Scott. Likewise, Scott would describe some of his own background and be the one to explain to her why he's kept her at arm's reach thus far (I mean, any of the other X-Men or Xavier could tell her, as it's obvious to them, but having them reveal background together seems appropriate and saves screentime as well).

You mentioned something before about Jean storming off and crying about Cyclops' introvertedness. I really don't want to put the audience through that. I will put them through an intense scene where Cyclops flips out on the rest of the team, though, partly because of his frustration at the distance he places between himself and others, and especially Jean. In addition to Cyclops' deeply rooted fear of abandonment, and more concretely, his fear of hurting others with his power, he'll be given another reason to feel isolated by Xavier; at some point in the film, he'll be named deputy leader and field commander of the X-Men. Xavier would still keep in telepathic contact, but Cyclops would now be carrying a significant amount of the strategic burden (which he doesn't mind, in and of itself), and also giving orders. When a battle or mission gets out of hand due to the X-Men not truly working as a team and letting their emotions and whims get the best of them, somewhere between the first and last fights with Magneto. During the debriefing back at the school, Cyclops will demand answers for why specific actions weren't performed or why they deviated from his orders (I suppose it would be somewhat reminiscient of 'Ultimate Avengers' in that capacity, except the scenario wouldn't be nearly as much of a clusterfeck). I think I'd have Angel deviate from his position in order to rescue or assist Marvel Girl when she seems in danger, and this would seriously piss Cyclops off-- not because he doesn't like to see Warren trying to score more points with the girl Scott wants, but because he specifically planned for the eventuality that she may need assistance, and someone else (Iceman or Beast) would have been in position to help her so that Angel, likely having been assigned as scout or pointman, wouldn't need to turn back for her. This isn't because Marvel Girl is weak; the formation he chose allows for maximum coverage in terms of team assistance. Angel is up front, Cyclops is watching his back and also able to fire ahead of him, and Marvel Girl is the primary assist to anyone in her line of sight, her telekinetic powers being the most efficient tool for that job.

Cyclops doesn't let his feelings get in the way of a mission unless he hasn't properly covered everyone's ass in the planning stages (which sometimes includes winging it at the outbreak of a conflict as far as Cyclops is concerned, because that's how the Professor has trained him to think). He should be a stong leader even early on, taking his responsibility seriously. When we see his room, he should actually have lots of books on military strategy, martial arts and aeronautics. Cyclops will also be the primary pilot of both the X-Men's helicopter (when they'll use at some point in the first movie, possibly towards the middle of movie one) and their SR-71 Blackbird jet, if Xavier isn't along with them, with Angel as his second.

Anyway, I'm planning on giving Cyclops his great little scene at the construction site and getting approached by Xavier, and leave his backstory mostly for dialogue. Angel gets a scene 'cuz he was a superhero. Beast gets a scene because he was a football player who could jump unnatural distances and that would look cool, and also because he's one of the coolest X-Men ever and his backstory or feelings about it aren't things that make for good confidentiality scenes.

I still want to try for a scene with Xavier and the Shadow King, but it may or may not be as the teaser before the title sequence. I've got some specific things to say about that when I respond to Kame-sennin.

I'm still undecided about Magneto in terms of flashback scenes, and I am still considering showing a scene where Magneto majestically and theatrically intervenes when a mob in Europe attack Wanda Maximoff. I want to spin it so that Wanda actually believes Magneto is a good man and that he isn't just guilt-tripping her or threatening her. Quicksilver is along for the ride (whether Magneto wanted him or not, but of course he does) so he can protect her sister at all times. Even if Magneto was as noble as he'd like others to believe, the company he keeps isn't (Unus, who's out just for money and power; Toad, who's just a damaged, unstable creature looking for someone to tell him whom to harm with his superhuman strength; and especially Mastermind, one of the sleaziest guys Magneto's ever worked with). The ironic thing is, Magneto trusts Quicksilver in the field more than anyone, even though he doesn't share his views on the world or goals. He's arrogant enough to think that in time, Pietro will come around and accept his own "enlightened" point of view. Quicksilver isn't afraid of Magneto in the least, or at least that's how he behaves. Not even Mastermind talks to Magneto the way Quicksilver does, because he's more familiar with evil and vengefulness and knows not to mess with the Alpha Dog.

:wolverine

[*The Batman*]

This would be my ending to X3. I really enjoyed writing this. I guess it wouldn't really be an X3 ending but more just an ending in general to an X-Men movie and what I thought should have happened. It fits in here because its very faithful to the comics, more than the first two. Let me know what you think.


FINAL BATTLE SCENE


The X Jet flies into action. They see what Magneto and his merry band of brotherhood members has done to the Golden Gate bridge.

Beast - Oh my stars and garters.

Cyclops - Storm, we're going to need some cover.

Storm - I'm on it.

Storm's eyes change colors as fog suddenly covers the entire playing field.


Meanwhile on the base Magneto looks at Jean Grey.

Jean Grey - They're here.

Pyro lunges forward ready to attack without even knowing who he is attacking.

Magneto pulls him back.

Magneto - Steady.

Mystique gazes at Jean Grey and then back at Erik. She puts her hand on Eriks shoulder.


Meanwhile the X-Men land the X-Jet.

Prof. X on an interactive machine that projects his voice and body.

"Erik what have you done? X-Men I need you to split up into three teams. Cyclops you and your team need to find Magneto. Stop him. Scott...do it at any means necessary. Storm you and your team need to protect the base at all costs. Stop the mutants coming in. Protect the people. Don't let them get inside and hurt anyone else. Hank..I want you to take a team of three into the base and find the boy. Protect him, get him to safety. X-Men..I just want to say..."

Cyclops - Professor we know. Alright people you heard him we have to move now.

Storm - Kurt, do you think you can teleport me into the outlaying area of the base. I have a feeling someone’s going to get wet today.

Beast - If my calculations were correct I think we can move into the outlaying sides of the building and then move into a small hole that Magneto seems to have smashed when dropping that bridge. The repairs alone are going to cost in my calculations at least 103...

Wolverine - Less talking, more action bub.

Beast - Wolverine really, I know you are ready to fight but please don't harm any innocents in your rage.

Wolverine with a wink - Don't worry about it. I'm the best at what I do.

Kitty Pride - Hank I'm coming inside with you.

Iceman - Kitty, no its too dangerous. I don't want anything to happen to you.

Beast sarcastically- Bobby, she can walk through walls you’ know. She might be helpful.

Iceman - Well I'm coming with you inside then.

Rogue watches from a distance as a tear looks to begin producing, suddenly behind her she notices someone.

Gambit - Shar' I know I may be new to this X-Men thing and all but isn't that suppose to be your boyfriend?

Rogue's sadness turns to anger as she slams Gambit hard against the wall and runs off.

Rogue - SHUT UP!

Gambit regaining himself from the hard slam against the wall.

"What did I do!?"

The team knows their orders. The Professor told them as much. They also know that this is a big battle. They don't all know who might be coming back. Magneto is out of control. This cure could be the end of mutants as they know it. And only one team can stop them. That's the X-Men. They also have to protect the innocents. The humans. Storm, Kurt, Colossus and Logan will see to that. Leading the dangerous mission full of unexpected risks to rescue the boy, the boy named Leech, is Hank McCoy followed by Iceman, Kitty Pride and Warren. Finally the team taking on Magento and his brotherhood themselves is Cyclops, Rogue, Gambit and Jubilation Lee.

But one thing isn't being discussed. One thing that is on everyone’s mind. One fallen comrade who is in this battle, but might be on the wrong side. Jean Grey. Or is it even Jean? How could she have survived Alkali Lake. And what is she doing with Magneto. The Prof. tried to reach her at her house and she destroyed it. That's when Magneto took her. But why would she go with him? Scott has heard her voice in his head, screaming for help. He tried to reach out to her when they brought her back to the mansion. But she wouldn't let him in. Logan took the more director approach and she threw him against the wall. Whatever is wrong with Jean, for whatever reason she is here now. The X-men don't want to talk about it. But they all are thinking it.

Nightcrawler - As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil...

As the teams separate Logan and Scott are left, to go one way and face Magneto straight on, and another way to sneak in the back and try and protect the base.

Logan - Scott...

Scott - Logan no. I don't want to hear this. Go with Storm, we've wasted too much time already.

Logan begins to walk away but has one last thing to say.
Scott knows this.

Silence.

"Just bring her back."



Pyro, Magneto, Jean Grey, Mystique, Psylocke, Wanda, Quicksilver, and Juggernaut along with 2000 morlocks and a half dozen other mutants such as Toad are gathered on the remains of the golden gate bridge. Victory was almost imminent. The humans didn't see it coming. Not something this drastic. Not something this soon.

Bodies of brotherhood members and humans lost in the battle before the X-men arrived lie scattered. Also victims, innocents of Magnetos rage tearing the bridge in half, some mothers, some children, lay scattered as well.

Juggernaut - I can't see a damn thing in this fog. I want to go smash some more people. Kill that kid. Thinking' he can cure mutants. YOU CANT CURE ME KID!

Wanda - Excuse me but are you even a mutant. I don't think so.

Magento - Real apple of your eye their huh Magneto.

Quicksilver - Wanda don't antagonize the guy, I'll have to stand up for you and he will kick my ass.

Scarlet Witch - You could outrun hi..

"THATS ENOUGH MAGNETO. THIS ENDS NOW."

Through the fog Cyclops emerges. Jubilation Lee, Gambit and Rogue follow with Rogue stepping over a fallen brotherhood member and crushing him into a hole in the ground from the impact. Gambit looks at her and smiles.

At the same time Storm, Nightcrawler, Collosus and Logan appear at the front of the base. A shaken guard, one of the only left at the moment looks at Nightcrawler. He smiles. The guard faints.


Jubilation Lee - THAT'S MAGNETO?!!? This is the guy who could end the world as we know it?! Eww.. are you 60 years old already or what old man.


Magneto is amused.

Magneto speaks to everyone he sees.

All of you. Do you not see what I am trying to do here. That cure is meant for everyone.

Cyclops - Killing innocents. My god Magneto look at what you have done.

Rogue - This isn't the way sugah.

Mystique rolls her eyes.

Magneto can now see visibly as the fog begins to lift. He sees Storm and the others farther away by the base.

Magneto is now visibly upset.

"TRAITORS TO YOUR OWN CAUSE"

Cyclops can now see Jean.

Cyclops - Jean?!

Jean - Scott!

Jean suddenly shakes back and forth. Psylocke grabs her and takes her back beyond where she can be seen.

Cyclops - JEAN!

Magneto - Kill them now.

Morlocks charge forward along with other brotherhood members including Pyro. They are fierce. Rogue, Gambit, and Jubilation Lee prepare for battle.

Gambit to Cyclops

Gambit - Shake out of it monime' its frighten time and these fools are hungry for it.

There are so many that immediately many run past the first group of four and are coming quickly at Storm, Kurt, Colossus and Logan. Logan draws his claws out.


Meanwhile

Beast - Wwwhat. My calculations. There is suppose to be a door right here.

Angel - Hank its ok. I know this building. This is where my dad...where... Find another way in, I'll meet you guys inside.

Angel takes flight to the sky and away.

Iceman - If I had a freak son like that I would want him cured too.
Bobby laughs. Kitty slugs him.
Iceman - hey!


About 300 feet away and out of sight but not out of hearing range Jubilation Lee unleashed her lightning bolts at a humongous rate which sends shockwaves and many morlocks immediately to their deaths as you still hear the crisp sound on the ground and smoke coming out of them.

Jubilation Lee - haha!

Gambit as he is being punch with a morlock on top of him.

Gambit - Shar-

-I'm

-impressed.

Suddenly a huge thud as twelve morlocks are all thrown at Gambit knocking the guy off him and making a barrel of thirteen morlocks knocked out nearby.

Rogue - FOCUS CAJIN!


Cyclops blasts morlocks right and left. All he wants is Jean.

Scott - Jean!

He sends out and optic rage that knocks 20 or so of them into the air. He continues moving forward.


Logan slices and dices morlocks left and right as they continue to try and attack him.

Wolverine - NOW I'M HAVING FUN!

He jumps in the air leaving his line and becoming more into the middle of the two lines.

Storm sees this and lightning produces out of no where striking the ground.

I HATE IT WHEN HE LEAVES FORMATION!

Colossus - Da.

And Colossus *slowly* tip toes away from the still angry and fiery Storm.

Storm raises herself into the air.

WILL OF THE GODESS OF WIND. HEAR ME! WIPE THESE MISGUIDED
MUTANTS AWAY FROM THIS BASE OF OPPERATION NOW!!

Suddenly a huge tornado appears whipping up at least 200 morlocks and sending them into the waters of the bay far from the battle.

Nightcrawler is hunched over praying and a few incoming morlocks don’t see him as much of a threat. They giggle and laugh. At that same moment he BAMFS in front of them and strike them down with his blade. He hails marry full of grace and BAMFS forward.


Back on the other side of the building Beast is still formulating a way in.
Beast - And if I calculate the distance in ratio to the for mentioned….
Iceman - Boring…
Beast - Bobby really if you would apply half that gusto of yours to your studies at the school, well you could become my top student in physics.
Kitty - Speaking of physics Hank, why don’t you left me handle this..
As she talks she grabs both the guys and they morf through the wall.
Iceman - Cool.
Hank - I guess…I guess that works as well.
Kitty - Ok lets find Warren and then find the boy.

The building suddenly goes bom!
Iceman - Ok what was that?!

The bom was Colossus throwing people into the base made of steel with his sheer force as we rejoin the action in the front.

As more Morlocks attack the front Storm raises herself into the air once more.
HEAR ME AGAIN! MAKE IT RAIN! RAIN DOWN AND WASH AWAY THESE POOR MISGUIDED MORLOCKS!
A huge tidal wave is produced.

Logan - What the hell.
The wave blasts him backwards along with the 700 or so other mutants who he was planning on taking on alone.

Back in the front lines avoiding the tidal wave Rogue continues smashing morlocks and picking them up as Gambit fights hand to hand combat right next to her.
Mystique notices the attraction these two share and smiles.
Mystique - Erik send more of them in.
Juggernaut - Its playtime.
Pyro and Juggernaut take off.
Scarlet Witch - Dad this needs to end. You cant do this.
Magneto - Quicksilver do you agree with Scarlet Witch. My own children. DO YOU not see what we are trying to accomplish here.
Scarlet Witch - Its just…this all is too much. And that girl. What is wrong with her?
FURTHER BACK JEAN GREY IS STRUGGLING TO CONTAIN THE BEAST INSIDE HER.

Inside the base Hank McCoy, a real Beast so to speak, is wandering around.
Iceman - This place gives me the creeps. Curing mutants, against their will.
Iceman shivers.
Kitty - Cute Bobby.
Kitty holds both of them as they walk from wall to wall almost nonchalantly.
Kitty - Where is Warren?
Beast - You know I don’t think this is going to be half bad. This whole place appears to be empty.
FREEZE RIGHT THERE YOU MUTANT SCUM.
Beast - Or not.

Back in the front Juggernaut and Pyro on his back charge through knocking down even people on their side. They don’t care who they harm.
Rogue - Oh come on..
They run right past her knocking her down.
Gambit rushes over after taking aim swiftly with a stick he produced to knock out another morlock.
Gambit - SHAR! You alright!!
Rogue - I’m fine...I can’t believe he knocked me down.

Scarlet Witch wants to leave this battle.
Magneto - You go now. you’re no longer one of us.
Scarlet Witch - I don’t want to be your daughter.
Quicksilver -WANDA WAIT! Its not safe.

Rogue - Ok you two. Your not getting by like the last two did.
Scarlet Witch - Little girl. I advise you to move aside.
Gambit looking towards Quicksilver.
YOU MAY BE QUICK….(a deck of cards is produced..) BUT I’ll TAKE MY CHANCES.

The four go at in in an all out battle with their powers on display in awesome ways. Rogue and Gambit fight almost as a team now. Still bickering but something else is there between them.

Wolverine charges at Pyro and Juggernaut with the Jug knocking him flat on his back unconscious.
Cyclops sees this.
Cyclops - Logan.
He is unable to help though as more morlocks continue to gain up on him as he fights the remaining few in the front in hand to hand combat with blasts every now and then.
Jubilation Lee, also still in the front struggles with one morlock.
Jubilee- AHH!!
Morlock - Little miss independence day you are. So pretty…so so pretty. I want to look just like you.
Jubilee - Help!
She looks to an unconscious Logan.
Jubilee - Wolverine! Get up! Wolverine!

He lies there.

Storm swoops back down to the ground and tries to face the Juggernaut head on. He knocks her back with ease.
JUGGERNAUT - IM THE JUGGERNAUT *****!!
Nightcrawler sees this.
Kurt - Ororro!
A few morlocks try to gain the upper hand knowing that Storm is out. Nightcrawler BAMFS in from far away and saves her, kicking their asses down in slow motion much like the president battle.
This leaves only one X-Men left in the Juggernaut and Pyro’s path.
Colossus.



Beast looks around as over 500 armed guards are pointing red laser guns as himself, Iceman and Kitty Pride.
Guard - HANDS up you MUTANT!
Beast - We mean you no harm….
Iceman - Kitty when I say three.
Kitty - THREE!
Kitty and Bobby run right through the wall at rapid speed.
Beast- …But if we must.
HANK LUNGES INTO THE AIR in a fur ball frenzy he attacks the guards with martial arts like agility and speed knocking them out.
Iceman and Kitty run back in and out of the f\walls as Iceman freezes guards right and left.
Guard - She can run through the walls just like he said! Be careful!
Iceman ices him up.
Unbelievably and in a display of awesome power, the three X-Men have taken out the 500 guards.
Kitty - Who said?

I DID.

Kitty - Warren?!?!



Juggernaut - You ready to go pretty.
Colossus - Da.
Pyro - Watch out, Peter is one of the best.
Colossus - You remember.
Juggernaut - No one can beat the Juggernaut.
They run towards each other and Colossus gets the upper hand running Juggernaut through the wall with his amazing strength.
Juggernaut - How can this be?!
Colossus unmorphs for a second and cracks his neck.
He slowly morphs up again as he walks into the giant hole he created and Juggernaut screams like a little girl. Pyro runs off.

Up in the front Magneto and Mystique are no longer there.
Cyclops now free from any threat.
Cyclops - Where are they?

Rogue walks up to Gambit after taking Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver out.
Rogue - Why don’t you and I get a little more friendly.
Gambit - Ah Shar’ your making Gambit blush. But here and now? And what about your boyfriend.
Rogue - I need a real man sugah.
They kiss!
Gambit - But I’a thought…
ROGUE KNOCKS ROGUE OUT.
Rouge - I can’t.
Mystique transforms back into herself on the ground laughing.
Rogue - Come on *****…you and me. For old times sake.
Mystique - You fool. Phoenix will destroy everyone. This all has just been in preparation for her to unleash her furry. Destiny foresaw and Erik and I have been planning this ever since.
Gambit and Rogue - Phoenix?
Mystique - Now where is Erik? She can’t control it much longer.

Jubilee has taken out the morlock herself, she is more capable then she gives herself credit for. Suddenly Magneto is next to her.
Jubilee - Uhh Hi.
Magneto - Little girl..I came to personally do this myself.
Magneto unleashes down a large poll of magnetism that is on the base crashing it right into Jubilee…BUT LOGAN AWAKES and rushes over to stop it.
Wolverine - AHHHH!!!!
He knocks Magneto back.
Jubilee - You saved me…again.
Wolverine - Always kid.
They hug.


Kitty, Iceman and Beast are now tide up to chairs. The cure right next to them. Kitty looks at the syringe and a tear sheds.
Kitty - Warren why? I befriended you.
Warren - I…I can’t explain.
OH YES YOU CAN SON.
DAD?

Warren Senior - If Warren doesn’t want to be cured the least he can do for the time being is help me find other mutants that we can. Like the X-Men. Son..I’m so proud of you.
Warren - Ya..I guess…dad..
Beast - This is not the way to win your fathers love son.
Warren Senior - But it is the way to cure you freaks of your disease.
Iceman - Disease?! I swear when I get out of here.
His hands turn to ice and so does the rope tying him.
Kitty - Bobby run!
Iceman produces a giant ice slid and knocks out everyone in the room except Angel.
Angel -I’m so sorry. Please.
Iceman - Your toast.
Kitty - BOBBY!
Beast - The cure is being administered to use right now!
A machine has started sending needles inches away from Hank and Kitty. Iceman freezes the machine and breaks it quickly. He releases them. He turns.
Iceman - Where is he?
Kitty - He’s gone.

Beast - This can’t just be Warren. Other people than his dad too are behind this. Something isn’t right.
HANK MCCOY Right? You don’t know how right you are.
TRASK EMERGES
Kitty - Your that guy on the news..you say mutants are a disease. You think this cure is too small…something bigger you said..
Iceman - …Something more permanent.
Trask - Want to find out?
Beast - Where is Jimmy! Where is Leech!
Trask - Leech is dead. It’s time for the next phase. The next phase in evolution. The REAL evolution. The one MAN creates. And it’s about to begin.
Kitty - We’ve got to warn the others.
She grabs the guys and quickly morphs everyone through the wall.
Trask laughs and pushes a button.
SENTINELS AWAKEN.

[*The Batman*]

Outside the X-Men all regroup as all threats have been neutralized minus Mystique and Magneto, Psylocke and Jean Grey. Jean lets out a huge scream in pain that Scott hears.
Scott - JEAN!
Suddenly he is struck down from behind.
Magneto - You. Charles raised you up right didn’t he boy. You and your pathetic band of X-Men.
Cyclops - He’s like a father to me. You can’t even be one to your OWN children.
Magneto - Ahh yes…the X-Men..fighting those who hate and fear them. The homo sapiens and their guns. And their cures. Cures to mutation. A world that wants you dead, wants you gone, wants to take away who you are so they can feel safe. So they can feel secure. Is this a world you want to live in.
Magneto lifts Cyclops into the air by the neck.
Cyclops - It …doesn’t ..have ..to ..be …like… that…
Kitty, Beast and Iceman all morph out the front as Storm, Kurt, Peter, Gambit, Rogue, Logan, and Jubilee regain group order.
Kitty - EVERYONE! WATCH OUT!!!

TARGET ALL MUTANTS. ALL MUTANTS. TARGETS IDENTIFIED.
MASSIVE MACHINE DROP DOWN FROM THE SKY, 50 IN ALL circling every square inch of the surrounding area.
Magneto drops Cyclops.
TARGET: MAGNETO..IDENTIFIED…CAPTURE.
Magneto is shot at as he grabs one sentinel and completely destroys it. But there are too many. They grab him and four fly off.
Mystique - NOO!!
TARGET: MAGNETOS CHILDREN…SCARLETT WITCH…QUICKSILVER…CAPTURE…
Four more take the unconscious Wanda and her brother and fly off into the air.

Pyro - Raven lets get out of here!
Juggernaut now conscious grabs Pyro and grabs Mystique and they run off into the distance.


Logan helps Scott up as the rest of the X-Men..Rogue..Gambit..Nightcrawler..Beast..Kitty Pride…Storm….Colossus….and Jubilee are all surrounded. Psylocke and Jean Grey kneeled down on the ground don’t escape the targets either.

TARGETS…UNIDENTIFED MUTANTS…..KILL ALL.

Jean Grey screams out in pain.
Jean Grey - NO..NO..Not again.
Logan - Jean!
A sentinel immediately attacks Logan and he jumps on it knocking it down on the ground slashing it apart.
YOU DON’T WANT TO MESS WITH ME BUB!
Cyclops starts blasting them as Storm gathers all gusto to raise into the air and attack with lightening bolts. Rogue raises herself into the air as well and begins smashing the Sentinels in the face. Nightcrawler morphs back and forth trying to attack with his blades. Beast swiftly attacks in his rage of the beast as Kitty stands by Iceman as he freezes all Sentinels attacking at them. Colossus picks one up and throws it at another as Jubilee attacks as many as possible with her lightening bolts drawn from her hands.
But there are too many they begin to knock X-Men out of the formational circle and off into the distance.
Cyclops is hit backwards hard.
Logan - Scott!
Logan - AHHHH!!!
He flings himself at a few more.
He sees Colossus fighting by him.
Wolverine - Hey Tin Man - How bought a lift.
Colossus smiles as he throws Wolverine fast and hard to the distance where a barely together Cyclops is about to be fried.
He leaps on them striking them out.
Wolverine - One, Two, Three…No I’m having fun.
Cyclops regains himself - Thanks.
Logan - Don’t mention it.
Suddenly 30 more surround them.
Logan - Or maybe do.

Storm yells out.
X-MEN BRACE YOURSELVES.
A strong wind picks up and all but Gambit are ready. As he throws his deck of cards straight at a sentinel he is lifted up and thrown a distance away.
ROGUE - CAJIN!
Rogue flies over and lifts Gambit up as he is about to be crushed by a giant Sentinels foot.
Gambit - Woooahh!
Flying in the air..
Gambit - You saved me Shar.
Rogue - Ya..we’ll don’t get used to it.
Gambit - Maybe Shar’ likes Gambit a little no?
Rogue drops Gambit to the ground, now in safety and flies away.
Gambit smiles.
Kitty - What are these things!
Iceman - I don’t know…but we’ve got to move! Hold on to me!
Iceman ice slides with Kitty away quickly.
Iceman - Whooo!!

Beast as he fights.
Beast - Trask sent them out. He’s trying to kill us all.
Night crawler - These are from Satan himself.
Nightcrawler BAMFS away as 5 missiles were about to strike him.

Jubilee - Colossus watch out!
Colossus is surrounded by 6 Sentinels ready to kill. He braces himself as Jubilee shots lightening bolts out of her hands and fingers to fry them.
Colossus - You saved me.
Jubilee - Don’t mention it.
Gambit throws his deck of cards and yells 52 PICK UP!
It knocks 7 back and they explode.
He blows on the card deck playfully.

Scott - Logan watch out.
Scott blasts a Sentinel that was about to strike an unsuspecting Logan.
Logan - Who would have thought you would be saving my ass ever.
As they continue to fight.
Logan - I mean the other way around, ya.
Scott - Must tear you up to see a good boy like me save your life again.
BOOM, BOOM, BOOM
7 Sentinels around them down.
Logan - Wow. Cyclops.
Cyclops - Wasn’t me.
Psylocke stands in striking pose, ready for more battle as she begins to take more Sentinels out.
Logan - She’s good.

Storm - X-Men, stay together…I’m not sure how much longer we can hold them off.
Storm is right. 100s upon 100s keep coming at them. As the team fights, some in twos, some alone, some in groups, more just keep coming. And situations begin to become precarious,
JEAN GREY - AHHHHHH!!!!!!!
AN AWESOME FORCE FIRES OUT OF JEAN GREY, LIKE A BIRD…LIKE A PHOENIX.
Logan, Scott - JEAN!!
ALL Sentinels turn towards Jean GREY.
TARGET MUTANT…MARVEL GIRL..MOST POWERFUL MUTANT HERE….KILL……

Jean Grey throws them backwards as she flies to the sky.
All the X-Men are stunned and shocked as a bright red bird flame engulfs her. Her hair blowing in the wind, bright red.
JEAN GREY - I AM PHOENIX.
She sends out a wave that spirals all the x-men to the ground and destroys all the sentinels. They ALL EXPLODE and the entire base shakes with smog and debris everywhere.
The X-Men slowly regain themselves. Gambit rushes to Rogue and Iceman watches. Kitty holds herself close to Bobby. They cough and regroup, disoriented.
Logan jumps up…Jean…JEAN!!
The smog begins to clear and Scott is holding Jean in his hands.
She appears lifeless.

All X-Men gather a few feet away and watch breathlessly. Rogue cries on Gambits shoulder and he holds her.
SUDDENLY JEAN COUGHS AND AWAKENS.
Cyclops. Tears having run down his face is shocked.
Scott - Jean? Jean is it you! Are you ok?
Jean - Scott…..Scott?? Where am I?
Suddenly Jean begins to remember. She rises.
Jean - Oh god. Oh no.
Scott -Jean! No ..not again! Jean what’s wrong. Jean let me in.
Jean - Scott kill me. Do it now. I can’t control it….its taking over…please…Scott…
Scott - I CAN’T.
Jean - Plea….
Jean’s eyes flutter and then regroup piercingly. She throws Cyclops backwards as all the X-Men watch in terror.
She rises to the sky.
Phoenix - POWER…SO MUCH POWER……
She flies away.
Cyclops - JEAN!!!!

Scene Change
A wealthy building. Lots of expensive things.
A woman dressed all in white walks in. A man is sitting in a chair.
The woman is Emma Frost.
Emma Frost - Sebastian?
He turns around. Sebastian Shaw is his name.
Emma Frost - We’ve found her.
He smiles.



ROLL CREDITS.

[Herr Logan]

This would be my ending to X3. I really enjoyed writing this. I guess it wouldn't really be an X3 ending but more just an ending in general to an X-Men movie and what I thought should have happened. It fits in here because its very faithful to the comics, more than the first two. Let me know what you think.
Very nice!! :up:

The one part that stood out as being a sheer impossibility is this scene:

Juggernaut - You ready to go pretty.
Colossus - Da.
Pyro - Watch out, Peter is one of the best.
Colossus - You remember.
Juggernaut - No one can beat the Juggernaut.
They run towards each other and Colossus gets the upper hand running Juggernaut through the wall with his amazing strength.
Juggernaut - How can this be?!
Colossus unmorphs for a second and cracks his neck.
He slowly morphs up again as he walks into the giant hole he created and Juggernaut screams like a little girl. Pyro runs off.
Aside from Colossus not being strong enough to stop the Juggernaut once he's in forward motion-- any incarnation of Colossus-- the Juggernaut would not scream and run from him even if he were at Hulk level strength.


Anyway, aside from that, this is definitely a massive improvement over what was actually scripted and filmed, not only for its own content but for the drastic overall changes to the characters overall that this segment implies. Kudos! :up:


By the way, are you The Batman (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/member.php?u=6153) using a new account, or are you a new poster? If it's the latter, welcome to the Hype and the Haven. Either way, thanks for posting.

:wolverine

[*The Batman*]

Thank you very much. I'm a new poster. But I've been here awhile just reading things like x men, batman, spider-man, those are my favorites, but x-men far and away number one. I love everything X-Men/ I had fun writing that. I think thinking about what x4 could entail (hellfire club, maybe the beginings of sinister and on a personal front the relationships between rogue and gambit and iceman and kitty who eventually i would put with peter leaving bobby alone. i think it would be funny to see bobby, the ladies man, end up with no chicks as he would probably say)


your right about the juggernaut thing. I just had to have a way to stop him but maybe does his outfit give him power and if he loses it, hes powerless. i dont actually know much about him, i know alot more about all the x-men as characters and their histories and magneto and his kids and all that. i just know he's not really a mutant and something else made him that powerful.

[Herr Logan]

Thank you very much. I'm a new poster. But I've been here awhile just reading things like x men, batman, spider-man, those are my favorites, but x-men far and away number one. I love everything X-Men/ I had fun writing that. I think thinking about what x4 could entail (hellfire club, maybe the beginings of sinister and on a personal front the relationships between rogue and gambit and iceman and kitty who eventually i would put with peter leaving bobby alone. i think it would be funny to see bobby, the ladies man, end up with no chicks as he would probably say)




your right about the juggernaut thing. I just had to have a way to stop him but maybe does his outfit give him power and if he loses it, hes powerless. i dont actually know much about him, i know alot more about all the x-men as characters and their histories and magneto and his kids and all that. i just know he's not really a mutant and something else made him that powerful.

In the comics, which is the only X-Men mythology I acknowledge (except maybe some of the 90's cartoon, which is pretty much the same in this particular issue), the Juggernaut's powers were magical, granted by a ruby that represented the power of a big, nasty god named Cyttorak. The real Juggernaut is Cain Marko, Charles Xavier's step-brother (who is American, just like the real Charles Xavier is, but from California, not New York). He came upon the Temple of Cyttorak after deserting his platoon in Korea, where Charles was also serving as a soldier, in a search an rescue squad. Charles followed him to try anc convince him to rejoin his fellow soldiers, or else he'd get courtmartialed and probably put in prison, but Cain went into the temple, ignoring his hated step-brother. He picked the enchanted ruby and read the words of an inscription he found nearby. The ruby granted him immense powers, including incredible durability, strength, ultimate invincibility (he didn't need to eat or breath, although he could be injured temporarily), a personal force field that made him completely invulnerable for short periods, and most notable of all, he was absolutely unstoppable once he gained forward momentum. That means once he's moving forward, there is absolutely no barrier or countering force that can stop him, and possibly not even slow him down.

That's why I called you on what you'd written, because the real Juggernaut was never a mutant, had it's not completely true that "no one can beat the Juggernaut," it is true that no one can stop him, and Colossus never had enough power to actually scare Juggernaut. He had enough power to earn his respect when they ran into each other in a bar and ended up destroying the place. Colossus lost the fight by far, but he gave a great effort, so Cain said he had guts, and he liked that. Cain even tossed the bar owner a big roll of money (likely stolen) to pay for the damages before he walked off.

I had meant to also call you on your choice of teams when they split up. I had thought you were using Movie!Rogue instead of the real Rogue (who has superstrength, invulnerability and can fly), and I figured that a young girl with no ability to handle herself in a super-fight, a brand new mutant like Gambit and Jubilee are a poor choice for back-up with Magneto, plus other dangerous mutants. I see that it is the real Rogue, so considering that Gambit is actually pretty destructive, I guess Jubilee is really the only one who shouldn't be there.

Anyway, again, good job. :up:

:wolverine

[Zev]

The X-Men - The proposed Mutant Registration Act has forced Xavier into assembling a new team to basically act as good-will ambassadors to humans. They don't wear masks unless they have to (besides, Cyclops' mask makes his head look like a condom and we all know it). As part and parcel of this, they police mutants because if they don't, they know the government will come down on them hard. As the movie starts with Kitty's arrival, they've already been recruited (although flashbacks will flesh this out), but are untried and untested.

Wolverine - Really, you could have an X-Men team with Wolverine, but it's kind of like having an Oreo without the cream. Why would you? No reinventing the wheel here. Dude with rage issues and amnesia, adamantium claws, heals really quick. Although I'll be merciful and not get into the ninja stuff or half the other things they've dumped on him. Basically, he says what he wants to say, does what he wants to do, and beats up anyone who gets in his way.

Jean Gray - Not the den mother of the team. Not the mother at all (that's Xavier, if you want my opinion). She is, quite simply, one of the most experienced and professional X-Men and second-in-command in fact if not in name. Somewhat repressed (although not nearly to the degree Scott is), she's nonetheless content (if not always happy) with her marriage and life in general. So, what makes her interesting? Why, all that unresolved sexual tension with Logan and the possibility that any minute she might take a walk to the dark side of the street and eat a star.

Cyclops - Okay, he's part of the big three triangle and I've been thinking about how to make him as interesting as the amnesiac berserker with odd hair and the woman who occasionally turns evil and almost blows up the world. Then I got it. He's Batman. Why is Batman so popular? Lots of emotional issues and preptime. What does Cyclops have? Lots of emotional issues and preptime. Let Cyclops pull off half the crazy **** Batman does every week and people will HAVE to sit up any take notice (especially since he's also leading the group). Buttoned down nearly to the point of repression, he's completely oblivious to any dissatisfaction Jean might feel about their relationship and all too aware of the spark between Logan and Jean. So he makes a point of reining Logan in wherever and whenever he can.

Beast - Part of the alumnai, support crew for the second-generation X-Men. The gadget guy, he's as likely to be designing a new Blackbird as fixing the cable. Science teacher. In his normal life, he's a media pundit and expert on mutation. When the film begins, he's not yet a full-on Beast (although his first scene is his fortysomething self checking for gray hairs and finding one that's cordite blue).

Colossus - Because every team needs one really, really strong guy. I'll flesh him out more when the time comes. He lives a thrifty life, sending most of his "allowance" home to his family in Russia. Maybe a bonding scene will show him receiving a package of Russian treats from home and sharing them with the rest of the team (which would be a good opportunity to further the Piotr/Kitty subplot as well).

Storm - I'm going to go for a more "Goddess of weather" interpretation than "pickpocket who controls weather." Because it's more interesting having a girl who was worshipped as a goddess running around and not using contractions.

Nightcrawler - The comic relief. In his spare time, he drinks beer and pretends to be a pirate in the Danger Room. Then surprises everyone in an introspective moment by quoting a pope or the Bible or something. But mostly the beer-drinking buccaneer thing. If I felt the need to pair everyone in the team up, he'd have a thing with Storm. But I don't, so he's a swinging single.

Thunderbird - I won't lie to you. If he even makes it in, it's just so that he can die to show the seriousness of the situation. First mission, BAM, a piano gets dropped on his head or something. Guy might as well be wearing a redshirt. Nice character death and the fans can't complain about it because it was in the comic books.

Iceman - Another one of the alumnai, the youngest. A bit of a slacker and a screw-up, he's more likely to be cooking up a wacky scheme than volunteering to save the world. He and Beast are the Abbott & Costello of the support crew. He's the gym coach at the Institute.

Warren Worthington III - An "out" mutant businessman and another alumnai, although not one that lives on campus. He is Xavier's liaison to a shadowy coalition of financial backers sympathetic to the X-Men's cause who are referred to as the "board of governors." Mutants who've used their power to get ahead on Wall Street, Hollywood, Washington. Xavier turns a blind eye to them and/or doesn't want to know where the money comes from. In fact, the whole deal fairly reeks of protection money. Not that Warren shares this information. But hey, aren't those rich closeted mutants kinda reminiscient of the Hellfire Club? Yes. Yes, they are.

The Students - Since mutation begins at adolescence, it's only natural that they're all high-school age or older. They're taught by a variation of Herr's "virtual teacher" idea (with the X-Men and alumnai as sort of hands-on role model/mentor/big brother figures).

Other Alumnai - Not all of Xavier's old students were X-Men. These guys perform other services around the mansion (maybe a chlorokinetic to manage the shrubbery?), along with humans that can be trusted.

Kitty Pryde - The audience identification figure who idolizes Wolverine. The youngest member of the second-generation X-Men and the one with the biggest (and only) crush on Colossus. Of course, it only makes sense that this upper-middle-class Jewish princess would be roommates with Rogue. Has a thing with Piotr because 1. it was in the comics and 2. that draws in the WB crowd (although I guess now it would be the CW crowd). Don't worry, I'll keep it relatively painless.

Rogue - More movieverse than throws-cars-while-cuddling-with-Gambit. Going back to the early Claremont characterization here, a sassy, tough, jaded Southern goth girl who has a mysterious connection to Mystique. Because damnit, no team is complete without at least one snarky outsider! Has a street fighting style consisting mainly of rapid holds (to drain an enemy's power) and throws. Just to make her a bit more useful, let's say she can absorb strength from your average human as well as memories. So the phrase "strength of ten men" can quickly become literal. Sample line of dialogue: (to Logan, upon seeing him without a mask) You must go through a lot of mousse.

Xavier - The backbone of the team and, oh yeah, really creepy. Because he could be picking through your brain and making you like country music and you'd never know it. Although he can be a little ruthless, he nonetheless has a real moral center and idealism, which is what separates him from Magneto and what compels almost every mutant he's ever taught to follow him. The headmaster.

Magneto and the Brotherhood of Mutants - Well, Magneto, obviously. Beyond that, not too sure. Basically, whoever can be appropriate counters to the X-Men. Since Colossus is here, Juggernaut obviously. Mystique too. Toad, so there can be a cool Nightcrawler/Toad fight (you know that would own your soul). Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch to take on Scott and Jean (likewise, you know Scott using tactics to take our Mr. Superspeed in some badass way would be... well, badass!). More later.

Senator Kelly - Not such a bad guy, but by no means a good guy. He's no hate-monger, he just wants to "control the mutant problem" and has no idea of the consequences this would have for your average Johnny Mutant. Who knows, maybe he'll have a moral reawakening. Or die.

Omega Red - Magneto's right-hand man. Because Wolverine needs someone to have a one-on-one fight with. And hooboy, do I have a doozy planned...

[Herr Logan]

I'm really sorry I didn't respond to this sooner. I've had a lot of distractions (some of them actually crucial to my life) and I wanted to avoid being perfunctory about this.


Thank you. I thought your astral plane write up was fine and the most logical way to shorten it would be to simply cut down the length of the battle. If you think about it, psychic battles probably don't last that long in real time anyway, so this is a good way of showing how much information is going on in the character's minds in a brief amount of time.

I don't remember what the book was called, but there was a collection of short stories about the X-Men that included one about the Professor's first battle with the Shadow King. Someone, possibly a child, was throwing a ball to someone else across a short distance, in the vicinity of the cafe where Xavier and Amahl Farouk were staring each other down and having a big ol' tussle on the Astral Plane. This gave a timeframe which ultimately made the fight last about a second in real time. On the Astral Plane, it can seem to take God knows how long (it's happening at the speed of thought) but for the purposes of the movie, it would have to be reasonably short, but obviously more than a second.

Who said it would be voluntary ;).
I don't like Professor X being too shady. :(

The way I imagined it, Proffesor X would be the psychic equivalent of an internet classroom, where his students would be able to see and hear what's going on in a real class taking place a great distance away. Taping into a proffesor's mind to create this would not be such a violation , IMHO, that Xavier woud feel bad about doing it without said proffessor's opinion.

Of course, these are just random ideas, and I really like the virtual classroom thing. Additionally, teaching the X-men courses the way he tought some of them English would also work, and be the easiest "movie way" of explaining their education.
I'll have to think about this some more.



As there are exceptions to every rule, I think this falls under the exception. If having Cyclops explain his origin's to another character is a key part of his arc, then it works. But I still think you should show some part of the origin for Bobby. Maybe Cyclops can be the only character without an origin scene which might add to the mystery of the character, and we do not find out the depressing truth untill much later in the film during a quiet scene with Jean? Just throwing out ideas.
I definitely want to show a scene where Scott Summers is running away from an orphanage (or similar institution) and he accidentally shoots the cable that drops the I-beam and then shoots the I-beam so that it doesn't hit anybody. Perhaps that could be the teaser and the scene with Xavier and Farouk could be later on, as an actual flashback.
If Mr. Sinister is a big part of the plot of 'Uncanny X-Men 4,' I'd have a flashback or two for Scott Summers as a kid and/or young teen. I guess I should bring Havok into the story at that point as well. Also, i I put him on Storm's Gold Strike Team, that would balance out the numbers between the two teams. I think I posted my ideas for that movie and how Jean Grey will reappear, having been switched with a clone created by Mr. Sinister in 'Uncanny X-Men 2.'

Maybe Jean's flashback should be in the second film, where the dangers of her powers at high levels truly come into play. If that's the case, then in the first movie, I'd just have Jean tell Scott about her psychic trauma at age 10. I would have her telepathy starting to develop throughout the first movie, too, and in the final battle sequence, Jean will, among other things, relay messages between the team members telepathically (although they should also have electronic communication devices, composed mostly of plastic... perhaps Magneto will render them useless anyway and Jean's power is needed). When she starts using her telepathy during her first year back at Xavier's, she'll tell Scott why she didn't tell the other X-Men she had that talent before.

I agree. You have to walk a fine line with Cyclops because you risk making the character boring and uninteresting to the audience. However, if the filmmaker generally cares about the character (and I imagine you do), than I doubt this would be a problem.
Exactly. If the people doing the movie want to get it right, then they will get it right, God dammit! Cyclops needs to be interesting, or at the very least, entertaining. The fact is, not everybody is going to be all that interested in Cyclops-- and I do not mean that in the same way people say "you can't please everybody, aim for the 'general audience'"-- I mean that different people prefer different characters, and I want Cyclops to be as accessible to most people as he can be while still remaining very much in character.

And don't get me started on the Batman thing. Heaven forbid a mysterious creature of the night should... hide his emotions! People are idiots.
Hey, feel free to get started... but do it in the Batman Safe Haven, though, please.

Go hog wild. :up:

That's becoming very popular in film and television today (Begins, Lost, ect.), but that doesn't mean it's bad. I think the key deciding factor has to be the pace of the film. If the pace of the film is even and comfortable, leave the beginning at the beginning. If it's not, than you might want to inter disperse the origins. But leave that damn Xavier intro at the beginning of the film. It's a good tease, and drives home the point you are making in your X-men film; that Xavier believes he is a hero who must fight against renegade mutants who threaten humanity (as well as other mutants). That's an interesting point that's almost non-existant in the current franchise, and hasn't been touched on much in recent comics (except Whedon's). Now adays, the X-men are looked at as more of a paramilitary strike force, and if you want your X-men to come off as heros (or would-be heros), you should show that.
That's a good point. I definitely want to emphasize the heroism aspect of Xavier and the X-Men (although I still want to show Xavier as more of a hard-ass headmaster than he was in the Singer movies, although I think I'll draw the just before, "X-Men, meet me in my study in 15 seconds... tardiness will be punished!").

It always seemed peculiar to me how Xavier believed that by gathering a training a group of superpowered field operatives, he could somehow bring humans and mutants to an age of peace and acceptance. At some points it seemed like the fighting supervillains was a secondary goal. I want to make it clear that Xavier's first intention for the X-Men themselves is to make them an effective "peacekeeping force" (soldiers that try to neutralize superhuman threats and save civilians without killing anyone), while his life's ultimate goal is to educate the world about mutants and spread the message that peace can be achieved through knowledge and empathy. The X-Men themselves will be given a range of options for occupational training, the specialty being a course that combines education of genetics, sociology, political theory and history, and other studies that will leave a graduate of the Xavier Institute in a position to actually, literally teach others about Xavier's Dream and how it can be acheived through education and cooperation. When I say teach, I don't just mean at the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning, I mean in other schools and places as well.
The Beast will take this course of study, among other physical sciences (he's going to finish earning his Ph.D.s in Biochemistry and Genetics towards the beginning of 'Uncanny X-Men 2'), but that doesn't mean he will immediately begin teaching people, since the Xavier Institute is the only school where there is such a course, and it takes time to open colleges and universities to this kind of option. Let's face it, it would be a preachy class with a strong political bias, so it's not exactly a sure pick in today's world, where education is widely seen as something that should be neutral (regardless of whether it really is).

So yeah, not everyone at Xavier's is required to become an X-Man or a teacher, but those are options.


I'm hesistant about villain flashback scenes as you run the risk of exhausting the audience. A Magneto flashback could work, as it was one of the only things the current franchise really nailed. As for the Scarlet Witch, perhaps Magneto could perform some act of kindness during the course of the film, or, something could come up and she would be reminded of the debt she owes him. I'm not sure either way. Hell, someone could ask her why she works for him and she could say, "Magnus saved us from the bloodthirty human mob. I would die for him." (And I am well aware that suggesting this is a bit hypocritical, but rules are meant to be broken:cool:). I would also avoid Xavier/Magneto flahbacks. It should be obvious from the dialogue that they were once friends, and you'll have more than one movie to develop their relationship. You won't need to cram everything into one film.
I haven't thought of a solid plot for Magneto in subsequent films, although recently I started toying with the idea that Magneto could show up in 'Uncanny X-Men 2' when the Sentinels are wreaking havok and aid the X-Men in destroying them. He could also try to help Jean Grey contain the nuclear explosion resulting from one of the Sentinels' power sources becoming unstable. I would have Magneto at a good distance away at the moment (fighting a Sentinel or three over there), so he'd be projecting his force field from afar and wouldn't be in the same danger that Jean is in (if their combined force fields actually contain the blast... if they didn't, everyone in the city would be in danger, obviously), as she is right up close to it, shielding herself as well as the world outside the telekinetic (and then also electromagnetic once Magneto realizes what's up) sphere of energy. Magneto would feel some guilt over Jean's apparent death (she turns out to be in a coma, though), but he wouldn't have directly contributed to it.
He would not be present for most of the movie, though. If Mystque's Brotherhood of Mutants and the Morlocks are the villains of 'Uncanny X-Men 3' and Mr. Sinister and/or Apocalypse are the villains of 'Uncanny X-Men 4,' I'm not sure how to fit another major Magneto plot in, other than to restructure the plot outlines for the others. I could do a write-up for a fifth one eventually, but I'd like feedback on whether you think the general ideas for 3 and 4 are good ones first.

I do want the Scarlet Witch to follow Magneto partly because she believes he's right in his quest. This is partly because she experienced firsthand the savagery and unreasoning hatred with which baseline humans can treat mutants, partly because Magneto is the first person she met who is willing to try to help her control and master her powers, partly because he's extremely charismatic when he wants to be, largely out of obligation because Magneto saved her from a mob of humans and she feels obligated, and it's partly a vaguely "Stockholme Syndrome" type dynamic that relates to the previous reason. He has asked her to to help him in return for what he did, and she would rather believe there's a good reason behind him obligating her to bring harm to other people than to believe she's being forced to do this completely against her wishes. It's a defense mechanism.
Quicklsilver, on the other hand, doesn't give a damn one way or another what happens to the human populace or about Magneto's ultimate goal, but since his sister refuses to leave Magneto, he resolves to stay with the Brotherhood, whether Magneto wants him to or not. He's not afraid of Magneto, at least in terms of his own safety, and Magneto values this trait to some degree and keeps the hope alive that Quicksilver will adopt his viewpoint and start believing in the cause. Quicksilver is sort of Magneto's unofficial second-in-command in terms of field operations. While he isn't devoted, he's more trustworthy than Mastermind and far more competent in general than the Toad. Unus the Untouchable doesn't even want to be the number two guy in the gang, so we don't know whether he'd be competent or not, but we get the impression he isn't up to it.

Anyway, if I don't give Wanda a mob attack flashback, I will just have them reveal what happened through dialogue. I had wanted to show it instead of telling it with a brief scene that picks up after Wanda's powers caused an accident and a mob gathers and corners her. There would be a shot or two of Quicksilver trying to come to her aid, but he is being held down by many humans who are actually piling on top of each other in order to keep him down (his powers would easily shake off people who were simply holding his arms or whatever) and it looks like he's taken a severe beating already, the bruises explaning part of why he isn't stronger at the moment. The look of terror and helplessness in Pietro's eyes would be heartbreaking. Suddenly, Magneto comes floating down from the sky in his shining red armor (I'm going to have sections of it be flat-out plate armor, similar to the knights and gladiators of old... it fits with the gladiator-style helmet) and his cape spread out and flapping in the wind. He would command the mob in a booming voice to leave her be, and when they hesitate, he tosses them in all different directions with his power, not caring whether they live or die. This grandiose shot would hopefully give the audience a better idea of why she would stay with this man even though she knows he's dangerous and basically a fanatical terrorist who's willing to pretty much anyway to achieve his goals. I really wanted to keep something like that in, which would also, by implication, explain why Toad is there and why he's such a sycophant (he's a "toady," get it? Man, that Stan Lee sure was clever with words...), and why Mastermind and Unus see him as their ticket to the big time.

Quicksilver is glad that Wanda was saved, but he is jealous when it comes to her and who gets to save or protect her, which gives him one more reason to dislike him. He knows what Magneto is and that he's extremely dangerous. Furthermore, he allies himself with lecherous psychopaths like Mastermind and creepy, vile, borderline stalker-types like the Toad (who has a huge crush on Wanda, which he doesn't hide, and no social skills whatsoever). I mean, if your sister (assuming you like her) resolved to work with a hateful, violent, unspeakably powerful terrorist who could do anything to you from tossing you through the air with a thought to making a refrigerator eat you to dropping a building on you, who hires a remorseless bastard who can make you see, hear, taste, smell and feel anything he wants to and a lonely, creepy unstable freak with deadly, inhuman strength, would you be okay with it? That's Quicksilver's role in the movie, and he's constantly keeping an eye on her, rarely ever leaving her out of sight. By the end of the movie, when the X-Men defeat the Brotherhood, leaving Magneto (wounded) to escape, Mastermind to get while the gettin's good, and Toad and Unus in government custody, Quicksilver will gather up the nerve to tell his sister once and for all how it's going to be from here on out. She's coming with him, like it or not, and she is not going to be joining up with Magneto and his minions or any other dangerous faction again... peroid!!

I don't feel I need to actually have a flashback with Xavier and Magneto. Xavier would gather his students and tell the truncated story, and explain why people like Magneto are so dangerous. One of the students, probably Beast (the most philosophically interested member), will ask him how an uninvolved individual or group would be able to to distinguish a charismatic and powerful leader like Magneto from a charismatic and powerful leader like Professor X in terms of who is actually "right." Hank would put a disclaimer first and say that he means no disrespect, and Xavier would tell him that he should not be afraid to ask such questions. On the battlefield and/or on rescue missions, the X-Men are expected to follow the chosen field commander (Cyclops) without dispute for the most part, but at the school (or any non-dangerous situation), they not only can ask such philosophical questions, but should. I would like it if Professor X would lay it out for the X-Men and the audience, how morality is essentially relative on a factual/intellectual level. In practice, however, he strongly believes that a person of action must choose their set of values or side of an issue, and act according to their value system. It is important that the X-Men realize that there is some truth to Magneto's rhetoric, and that is why intelligent people may join his cause (he doesn't want them underestimating Magneto's followers' intellect in general), and also why Magneto is so dangerous. Someone like Unus the Untouchable is dangerous because he has power and is selfish. Someone like Magneto is more dangerous, not only because he has a hell of a lot more power, but because he truly believes he is right and is not at all insane for believing what he believes. I want it shown that the X-Men are not treated like mindless minions to execute Xavier's will. It's a progressive institution on many levels, and although certain rules are strict, the intellectul atmosphere is not oppressive.


I'm just bustin your balls, I'm kind of an anti-corporate guy. However, I completley agree that having real life brand names scattered through a film does help to make the audience feel that they are seeing a world similar, if not identical, to their own. As a matter of fact, removing brand labels, which is done in some films, often stands out and seems awkward. The key is restraint. Does it make sense for Peter Parker to use a soda can as webbing target practice in SM1? Of course it does. Is there anything wrong with the can clearly reading "Dr. Pepper"? Absolutley not. But is it nessescary for that can to get a full two second close up (an eternity in film) when Peter Parker loudly and awkwardly slams the can down on his dresser? Just a bit.

So yah, it's no biggy that Wolverine drinks name-brand beer, and storm crashes into a giant billboard. Just as long as the cinematographer hasn't sold his soul to Wallmart, it'll be ok
It makes a hell of a lot more sense for Spider-Man to use an empty soda can for webbing practice than his framed picture of May and Ben. What an unexcusably badly imagined scene. That was. Way to go, Raimi and Koepp, you managed to compromise or completly strip away pretty much every single facet of Peter Parker's personality. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm not strictly anti-corporate (as in don't trust corporations, but I just don't have an overabundance of energy directed against corporations in general, but I frequently and vehemently condemn certain examples, mainly movie studios and comic book publishers, as all you people well know). I don't like needlessly compromising good art for commercial value. I don't think it's anywhere near impossible to accomodate both sets of demands, if the creators want to do a good job and have the ability.

My pleasure. I really like how this X-men franchise is turning out, and I'm impressed that you're able to start from the first team and still make it really engaging.
Thank you very kindly.

I really appreciate your input, man. :up:


:wolverine

[The Batman]

Zev, i agree about Cyclops!!!

I was thinking the same thing....Batman is the tactical genius of the JLA. He does the coolest crap, and is genuinely a badass. He's a bit withdrawn like Cyclops, wants the job done efficently like Cyke, etc.

I always thought Cyclops should be like JLA Batman. He has a plan for almost any situation. Everyone else is freaking out, while scotts there strategizing. To me, that makes him badass in a way different from logan.

[Herr Logan]

The X-Men -

Nice work, Zev. :up:

I'm not crazy about a couple of members on that Brotherhood lineup (Juggernaut and Omega Red) but I won't go into it.

That's a pretty large X-team you've got there. Were you planning on splitting it up and having more than one leader?

Nice character death and the fans can't complain about it because it was in the comic books.

Not sure what to say about this. Are you trying to tell me something?


Anyway, overall, nice job.

:wolverine

[Zev]

Well, as I said, the alumnai (save for Scott and Jean) don't go into battle, nor do Rogue and Kitty (although I'm thinking of having Kitty stowaway on the Blackbird and a plot twist will put Rogue right in the mix of the action in the end. Omega Red is there as a mercenary-for-hire because Magneto needs him to complete an appropriately supervillainish scheme to give mutants dominion over the earth (while killing a whole buttload of humans, natch) and Juggernaut is just freed from jail by Magneto to go after Xavier as a distraction. Basically, while the second-generation team is away, Juggernaut attacks and the alumnai (Iceman, Beast, and Angel) try to stop him. Somehow Colossus is there too (maybe something to do with the Kitty subplot) and there's a BIG fight that ends with, of course, Juggernaut's helmet being disabled and Xavier or Jean doing Bad Things to his brain (if Jean, then there's a nice opportunity to do some foreshadowing with the Phoenix, maybe have Scott stop her just short of killing the guy).

Mostly kidding with the Thunderbird thing. Plotty things have made his role sort of redundant.

By the way, did you see Christian Bale on the MTV Movie Awards? Won for Best Hero and thanked Nolan for getting rid of the Bat-nipples and "bringing some dignity back to the Dark Knight," then he turned to Brandon Routh and said that Batman was cooler than Superman. It was pretty awesome.

[Herr Logan]

No, I did not see the MTV Music Awards.

So they had Movie!Batman talk trash to Superman In Name Only, mirroring the inane, asinine, purely tribalistic feud some of the more immature and unintelligent fans of Batman and Superman engage in? That's adorable.

Too bad they chose not to bring some dignity back to Superman.

I apologize for my demeanor. I'm not quite sure why I'm such a foul mood. I mean, I just found out I got a "C" on my Statistics exam. I should be elated!
It was probably looking at various ignorant comments on the Hype. That's always good for a bring-me-down.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

I know I've been all over the place with my X-Men movie ideas, coming up with stuff in a very non-linear fashion, across several movies. I just figured I'd write down what I've got for the very end of 'Uncanny X-Men 2'. First, a little setup:
Early in the movie:
The new X-Men members are presented with stylized belt buckles (with a big X-insignia) to wear with their distinctive individual costumes. Wolverine scoffed and refused to wear it, grabbing his crotch and saying "I got yer school spirit right here," while walking away.

The latter portion of the movie:
Jean Grey, who, with the help of Mastermind and the White Queen, gradually lost control of herself and her vastly augmented powers to a new personality called "Phoenix", destroyed an entire city block in Manhattan, then fought the X-Men, then got reigned in by Professor Xavier, then killed herself to spare her friends and the world.
Wolverine disappears shortly after this, presumably having left the team without giving notice. After the funeral, Cyclops decides to leave, not knowing for sure whether he'll be back to rejoin and lead the team.


At the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning, Early morning

A shadowy figure enters the mansion shortly after dawn and creeps up to the living quarters and into Nightcrawler's room. the figure leans in close to the sleeping Kurt Wagner. Kurt's room in a bit of a mess, with several empty beer bottles on the floor and a half-eaten sandwich on his desk that was left overnight, if not longer. Jean's death has hit all of the X-Men hard, and Kurt's room reflects that somewhat, as his room was not this disheveled before.

WOLVERINE: Rise and shine, elf.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Was in Hölle?! Wer gibt es?!

Nightcrawler awakens abruptly, startled, and teleports to the ceiling of the room. He sees Wolverine, fully dressed in his costume.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Vielfraß?? Logan, we thought you'd left.

WOLVERINE: I did. Now I'm back.

Kurt crawls down the wall and sits on the bed, rubbing his eyes.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Where did you go?

WOLVERINE: Out.

Nightcrawler stares at Wolverine, silently prodding him to elaborate.

WOLVERINE: I just had some grievin' to do, alone. That gets old after a week or so, so I'm back.

Nightcrawler notices Wolverine is now wearing an X-Men belt buckle, which he refused to wear months ago. I don't really have to spell out what this signifies, right?

NIGHTCRAWLER: I'm glad you're back.

WOLVERINE: Yeah? Prove it by givin' me your best shot in the Danger Room. Same stakes as usual; loser buys the beer.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Ja, okay. Just give me ten minutes.

WOLVERINE: Hurry up, elf. Can't be sleepin' the day away when there's all kinds o' prejudice, violence and beer that needs tendin' to.

Wolverine walks toward the door, stopping briefly to pick up the half-eaten sandwich on Kurt's desk, sniff it and start eating it.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Hey, Logan?

WOLVERINE: What?

NIGHTCRAWLER: That new belt buckle...

WOLVERINE: What of it?

NIGHTCRAWLER: It really looks good on you.

WOLVERINE: Yeah, whatever.

Wolverine heads toward the nearest elevator to take him to the lower levels of the complex and continues to eat the leftover sandwich. On the way, he passes Storm, dressed in her costume minus the cloak, who is watering some plants that are sitting on small tables that line the hallways. He approaches from behind, not breaking stride, and gives her a good slap on the ass and a verbal greeting as he passes her, which startles her.

WOLVERINE: Mornin'.

STORM: Logan?! You are back. And with a death wish, apparently.

Wolverine pauses and turns towards her. Storm is half-attempting to look angry, but she's smiling.

WOLVERINE: Yup. That, an' this spiffy new belt buckle that you guys are so fond of.

STORM: Yes, I see. Have you talked to Kurt yet?

WOLVERINE: Yeah, he's meetin' me in the Danger Room in a few for a friendly game o' "Best Get Me 'fore I Get You." Wanna join?'

Storm gives a smirk.

STORM: That depends. Are you ready to be put in your place, little man?

Wolverine grins.

WOLVERINE: Always, darlin'. Always.
He turns back around and keeps walking and eating Kurt's sandwich.
Theme song starts playing.

Storm opens the curtains of a window the hallways, and the camera switches to outside the mansion looking in, pulling back gradually.

At some point, the screen flashes white and then fades in on a photograph of all the X-Men that are left and the Professor posing for the picture. This also happens at the end of the first movie, with the old team.




What do you think? Try to fill in all the dramatic pauses and the theme music when you visualize it.

:wolverine

[Zev]

I know I've been all over the place with my X-Men movie ideas, coming up with stuff in a very non-linear fashion, across several movies. I just figured I'd write down what I've got for the very end of 'Uncanny X-Men 2'. First, a little setup:
Early in the movie:
The new X-Men members are presented with stylized belt buckles (with a big X-insignia) to wear with their distinctive individual costumes. Wolverine scoffed and refused to wear it, grabbing his crotch and saying "I got yer school spirit right here," while walking away.

The latter portion of the movie:
Jean Grey, who, with the help of Mastermind and the White Queen, gradually lost control of herself and her vastly augmented powers to a new personality called "Phoenix", destroyed an entire city block in Manhattan, then fought the X-Men, then got reigned in by Professor Xavier, then killed herself to spare her friends and the world.
Wolverine disappears shortly after this, presumably having left the team without giving notice. After the funeral, Cyclops decides to leave, not knowing for sure whether he'll be back to rejoin and lead the team.


At the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning, Early morning

A shadowy figure enters the mansion shortly after dawn and creeps up to the living quarters and into Nightcrawler's room. the figure leans in close to the sleeping Kurt Wagner. Kurt's room in a bit of a mess, with several empty beer bottles on the floor and a half-eaten sandwich on his desk that was left overnight, if not longer. Jean's death has hit all of the X-Men hard, and Kurt's room reflects that somewhat, as his room was not this disheveled before.

WOLVERINE: Rise and shine, elf.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Was in Hölle?! Wer gibt es?!

Nightcrawler awakens abruptly, startled, and teleports to the ceiling of the room. He sees Wolverine, fully dressed in his costume.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Vielfraß?? Logan, we thought you'd left.

WOLVERINE: I did. Now I'm back.

Kurt crawls down the wall and sits on the bed, rubbing his eyes.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Where did you go?

WOLVERINE: Out.

Nightcrawler stares at Wolverine, silently prodding him to elaborate.

WOLVERINE: I just had some grievin' to do, alone. That gets old after a week or so, so I'm back.

Nightcrawler notices Wolverine is now wearing an X-Men belt buckle, which he refused to wear months ago. I don't really have to spell out what this signifies, right?

NIGHTCRAWLER: I'm glad you're back.

WOLVERINE: Yeah? Prove it by givin' me your best shot in the Danger Room. Same stakes as usual; loser buys the beer.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Ja, okay. Just give me ten minutes.

WOLVERINE: Hurry up, elf. Can't be sleepin' the day away when there's all kinds o' prejudice, violence and beer that needs tendin' to.

Wolverine walks toward the door, stopping briefly to pick up the half-eaten sandwich on Kurt's desk, sniff it and start eating it.

NIGHTCRAWLER: Hey, Logan?

WOLVERINE: What?

NIGHTCRAWLER: That new belt buckle...

WOLVERINE: What of it?

NIGHTCRAWLER: It really looks good on you.

WOLVERINE: Yeah, whatever.

Wolverine heads toward the nearest elevator to take him to the lower levels of the complex and continues to eat the leftover sandwich. On the way, he passes Storm, dressed in her costume minus the cloak, who is watering some plants that are sitting on small tables that line the hallways. He approaches from behind, not breaking stride, and gives her a good slap on the ass and a verbal greeting as he passes her, which startles her.

WOLVERINE: Mornin'.

STORM: Logan?! You are back. And with a death wish, apparently.

Wolverine pauses and turns towards her. Storm is half-attempting to look angry, but she's smiling.

WOLVERINE: Yup. That, an' this spiffy new belt buckle that you guys are so fond of.

STORM: Yes, I see. Have you talked to Kurt yet?

WOLVERINE: Yeah, he's meetin' me in the Danger Room in a few for a friendly game o' "Best Get Me 'fore I Get You." Wanna join?'

Storm gives a smirk.

STORM: That depends. Are you ready to be put in your place, little man?

Wolverine grins.

WOLVERINE: Always, darlin'. Always.
He turns back around and keeps walking and eating Kurt's sandwich.
Theme song starts playing.

Storm opens the curtains of a window the hallways, and the camera switches to outside the mansion looking in, pulling back gradually.

At some point, the screen flashes white and then fades in on a photograph of all the X-Men that are left and the Professor posing for the picture. This also happens at the end of the first movie, with the old team.




What do you think? Try to fill in all the dramatic pauses and the theme music when you visualize it.

:wolverine

I think it'd work better without pointing out the belt and just leaving the audience to grasp it. Maybe have someone say "It looks good on you," and him saying something along the lines of "Needed something to hold my pants up."

[Zev]

No, I did not see the MTV Music Awards.

So they had Movie!Batman talk trash to Superman In Name Only, mirroring the inane, asinine, purely tribalistic feud some of the more immature and unintelligent fans of Batman and Superman engage in? That's adorable.

Too bad they chose not to bring some dignity back to Superman.

I apologize for my demeanor. I'm not quite sure why I'm such a foul mood. I mean, I just found out I got a "C" on my Statistics exam. I should be elated!
It was probably looking at various ignorant comments on the Hype. That's always good for a bring-me-down.

:wolverine

Wanna ***** about Civil War? That's always good for a laugh.

Yes, Marvel, we know it's silly that the government allows superheroes to run around without any registration, but guess what? That's one of the conventions of the entire genre. We know it's silly and that's why we suspend our disbelief (the same reason we buy a dozen B-list heroes not dying in every skirmish, DC). If you want to tell stories about a bunch of superheroes working for the government and Spider-Man unmasking, that's what you have the Ultimate universe for. All of the forced "relevance" (yeah, remember how after 9/11 we drafted all the Muslims and put all those who resisted into internment camps? No?) and dickish superheroes (Reed Richards is getting off on building a prison for "half his Christmas card list" as Sue puts it) would fit right in there.

And, just so this has some relevance, wouldn't the mutant community be going ape**** over what could be seen as an attempt to Jim Crow the Mutant Registration Act into effect? After all, there must be a lot more mutants than there are super...

Oh.

Wait.

Thanks Bendis. Thanks a lot.

[Herr Logan]

Wanna ***** about Civil War? That's always good for a laugh.

Yes, Marvel, we know it's silly that the government allows superheroes to run around without any registration, but guess what? That's one of the conventions of the entire genre. We know it's silly and that's why we suspend our disbelief (the same reason we buy a dozen B-list heroes not dying in every skirmish, DC). If you want to tell stories about a bunch of superheroes working for the government and Spider-Man unmasking, that's what you have the Ultimate universe for. All of the forced "relevance" (yeah, remember how after 9/11 we drafted all the Muslims and put all those who resisted into internment camps? No?) and dickish superheroes (Reed Richards is getting off on building a prison for "half his Christmas card list" as Sue puts it) would fit right in there.

And, just so this has some relevance, wouldn't the mutant community be going ape**** over what could be seen as an attempt to Jim Crow the Mutant Registration Act into effect? After all, there must be a lot more mutants than there are super...

Oh.

Wait.

Thanks Bendis. Thanks a lot.

I'm not up to ranting at this particular moment, but I give your rant two thumbs up.
That's some quality rantage right there. :up::up:

:wolverine

[Zev]

I'm not up to ranting at this particular moment, but I give your rant two thumbs up.
That's some quality rantage right there. :up::up:

:wolverine

Yeah, I have a feeling Five-Minute Civil War is in the cards. Chief among the questions is why Marvel America freaks out and bans superheroes when a supervillain blows up one town but kept mum when Magneto flattened New York and other such fun.

[Herr Logan]

I think it'd work better without pointing out the belt and just leaving the audience to grasp it. Maybe have someone say "It looks good on you," and him saying something along the lines of "Needed something to hold my pants up."

I want to keep the line "Yeah, whatever" as the camera sees him walking out from Kurt's point of view. It just seems right to me, as did, "I got yer school spirit right here," with the boorish gesture (not viewed from the front, giving the illusion of some semblance of a thread of civility).

I struggled with how to address the belt buckle, too. I may just have Kurt say "belt." I just want to make certain that the audience (well stocked with low-grade human cattle, no doubt) does think Kurt's talking about his costume, which doesn't change towards the end aside from the belt.


You know, I've been thinking about that insolent line in Brian Singer's 'X-Men' about how the alternative to black leather and foam rubber is "yellow spandex." I've got the perfect retort for that (in concept, if not wording).
I'd have Wolverine's costume at Department H largely consist of leather, as well as other materials. When the new X-Men members are have all flown to New York and settled in a bit, there will be some situation where the heroes are in costume or getting in costume and discussing the material. Most of their costumes would be made of a durable, lightweight fabric that is at once breathable and fireproof. It looks like tights, as do most classic superheroe costumes. I'd have Wolverine comment on his own new costume, the design of which he chose himself. He'd say he feels a little bit silly wearing a skintight costume, but he also says it makes a hell of a lot more sense than wearing leather in terms of maneuverability and reducing overheating, especially if the fabric does what the Professor says it does (what I described before). They're not here to win a fashion contest, they're there to run, jump and fight, and leather is an idiotic choice of material for that. Besides, anybody who'd mock him for wearing it sure as hell won't be doing it twice.


EDIT: I meant to say thanks for the feedback, Zev, but didn't due to tiredness. Anyway, thanks. :up:


:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Anyone have any thoughts on this post? I edited it, by the way.

This seems random at the moment, but I just want to get these pictures all in one place and in a format that I can post on the Hype. Suggestions and thoughts are welcome.


The Many Costumes of Wolverine:

First Costume:
http://www.typingmonkeys.com/images/Wintroa.jpghttp://www.typingmonkeys.com/images/Wromita002a.jpg

The first costume in which Wolverine will appear in 'Uncanny X-Men 2' is a variation of this one. It should be modified to somehow make it somewhat more militaristic (including making those trunks a rapelling harness... an ingenious idea, if I ever heard one). You know, "Sam Fisher" it up a little. Also, it would be mostly composed of leather, to emphasize to those anti-source material herd animals that tights are more practical for agility. It's still garish-looking, I know, but I didn't design the suit, and I want to keep it faithful to his first appearance, anyway. Blame Canada!
Anyway, he'll be wearing this at the restricted-access Department H facility where Xavier arranges a meeting with Wolverine in order to recruit him.
I really think something can be done with that mask to fit his job description, and then the next costume he has, it'll be a much more direct adaptation of his most frequent mask design.




http://www.collectortimes.com/2001_01/Wolverine.jpg

Here is a costume design I just found. It came from here (http://www.collectortimes.com/2001_01/License.html).
This costume is a possibility for use in 'Uncanny X-Men 2,' or at the very least, it's an inspiration for a uniform based on the original. Basically, it would be the yellow and blue costume, with orange replacing yellow and black replacing blue.
The wingtips on the boots will be reduced to small outcroppings. The ones on the mask will be a managable size and tight against the sides of his head.


http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine18.jpghttp://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine154.jpg

This will be the costume Wolverine will wear in 'Uncanny X-Men 3.'
The same minor modifications to the mask and boots apply as before.
The color scheme will remain essentially what it was in the comics, except darker (dark brown and dark orange).


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/UX275.jpg

This is the standard X-Men uniform that all of the reunited and newly recruited X-Men are asked to wear toward the beginning of 'Uncanny X-Men 4.' Most of them will switch back to individual costumes soon after, however.


http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine190.jpg

The individual costume Wolverine switches to for most of 'Uncanny X-Men 4' might look something like this. The light areas are orange or light/medium brown, and the black areas can stay black. The gloves will extend farther up the arms, though, and the suit might have short sleeves. This mask is close to what the previous masks he'd wear in the other movies look like.


Thoughts?

[Herr Logan]

No thanks to any of you, I've decided that Wolverine's second costume, which he wheres through the majority of 'Uncanny X-Men 2,' will be basically the same design of his classic black, yellow and blue, with a different color scheme. The yellow areas will instead be a relatively dark orange, and the blue areas will be either dark brown or black. The black tiger stripes will probably stay be the same color and in the same design.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsw/wolverine1.gifhttp://www.marveldirectory.com/pics/picsw/wolverine2.gif

If I, a) had a decent art program on my computer and, b) could use it competently, I'd manipulate a picture of the yellow and blue suit to make it match my proposed color scheme to show you. I'm guessing you can imagine what it would look like.

In 'Uncanny X-Men 3,' Wolverine will wear the brown and tan costume he wore in the comics, which you can see in the images I posted above.

:wolverine

[Herr Logan]

Sometime soon, I'm going to post a re-edited and expanded version of the content that can the posts linked on the first page of this thread under X-Men Video Game.

Now that I've got my mind periodically focused on my X-Men movie franchise concept, I'm seeing two sets of possibilities that are not necessarily mutually exclusive (both video game franchises could be marketed, instead of just one or the other). There's my original concept, which features a fully-formed and fully mature team of X-Men, with a roster that comes from somewhere in the early 90's, and then there's the official movie game concept, which would call for one game per movie, with similar central plots.

I said that in my original X-Men game that it would be sort of an RPG, but without the primitive action set-up of 'X-Men Legends' and there would be no "leveling up." I stand by that fully. I want to see an accurate representation of what it means to be an X-Man, and veteran X-Men do not level up, unless a hack writer is pulling some trashy stunt to boost sales. However, in a series of games based on my movie concepts, that would probably warrant some leveling up, since most of these characters are just being introduced to the world of the X-Men. The first game in particular would call for extensive training and skill- and power-building, since it's the original team essentially starting from scratch. Most characters in subsequent games would have less leveling up to do, since most of the newer X-Men were trained in the use of their powers to a certain degree before they joined. Training would be mandatory in both game concepts, but only the movie games would have you start out at less-than-peak fighting conditions. The other one will force you to train and pass exams, but the only payoff is experience and knowledge through practice, not higher levels of power. Well, I could throw in some extra features, too.

My forthcoming posts will describe the original concept, specifically the abilities of each character (from a large pool of playable characters, not teams from different eras) and a little on how that might look like on the screen, and the general workings of the game. It won't be a complete, finished product, but it will be something to discuss, if there's anyone who wants to discuss it.
For now, here are is some explanation of how my ideals movies would be adapted as games.

Whereas my original game concept would likely have a new storyline inserted into a previous era, similar to certain novels, my movie game concept would include campaigns that are very closely tied to the events of the movies, but it would also include many other villains, storylines and locations from X-Men continuity. For all those who desire a game that lets you play through classic missions and stories, here are the games for you. The movie games would probably follow the comics more closely, and I would imagine that most of the games (which should be very, very long), have more content that is not in the movie than what is. It is intended to match the time period the respective movies are portraying.
Both games would have very similar dynamics in terms of gameplay. The details and storylines change, but it should be the same virtual world, essentially.

Movie Game 1 corresponds to the era of the original team, Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Angel and Marvel Girl. Players will have to
For villains, this game may include Magneto and his original Brotherhood of Mutants (Mastermind, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Toad, Unus the Untouchable, the Blob), the Juggernaut, Sentinels, Mesmero, the Mimic, Sauron and possibly more.
I'm also leaving the possibility of having Havok and Polaris as playable characters toward the end of the game, and perhaps the option of using either of them as team members through the entirety or certain missions of the game after beating it once.
One thing I would really like to see in the first X-Men game is the adventures of Charles Xavier, or at least a couple of them. I would definitely want to play flashback levels in Cairo and Tibet. In Cairo, Xavier would up against the local crime lord-- Amahl Farouk, the Shadow King. You would witness a crime an intervene, interrogate the culprit as to whom he's working for, track the boss down while other criminals try to stop you, and then finally battle it out on the Astral Plane with the Shadow King himself. Amid the action scenes, there would be FMVs and dialogue, etc., and you can converse with people in the streets (or you can try, but you'll have to scan their minds to find out what's what, as they are tight-lipped and in a constant state of fear because of Farouk.
The Tibet flashback would involve a mind-controlled village and the extraterrestrial villain controlling it-- Lucifer. Similar "psychic detective work" there. Of course, you all know how that battle is going to turn out, but that's inevitable.

Movie Game 2 corresponds to the time period between Giant Size X-Men #1 and the very end of the Phoenix Saga. Playable characters include all the original X-Men, Storm, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Banshee, and for the first missions or two, Sunfire and Thunderbird. I think I might prefer it if the Phoenix Saga was exactly like it was in the comics, with Shi'ar and the Imperial Guard and all, but either way, the Dark Phoenix part of it involving the Hellfire Club. If the entire story (or the main parts) of that Saga were used, then the events in between would also flow nicely.

Gotta run, more later...

If you have any love for me in your heart at all-- Comments!!

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[Abaddon]

So Logan,I'm curious as to who you'd consider casting in these films if they were to be made now or sometime in the near future.


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Man that picture kicks so much ass.:O

[Herr Logan]

So Logan,I'm curious as to who you'd consider casting in these films if they were to be made now or sometime in the near future.

Honestly, I have no idea. I'd just pick from the auditions, really, but I'd have very specific guidelines for different parts. The guy who plays Wolverine has to be well-muscled, very broad, and very short. No taller than 5'6" at the very, very tallest, and even then I'd require that every effort is made to make him look a bit shorter with camera tricks. Just as much, Cyclops has to be approximately 6'3" and Jean Grey needs to be shorter than that, preferably under 6'. The general rule is, everyone in the movie needs to look like their characters, if not walking in, then after make-up and special fx.


Man that picture kicks so much ass.:O

Damn straight. :cool:

I know that exact shot (except for the claws being bone and broken off) could be adapted for a live action film, and that's why I don't accept that real superhero costumes "won't work."

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[Zev]

Well, I'm a bit confused as to why the X-Men would be changing costumes each movie. Is it just to stay in fashion, is there a seasonal concern, what?

Oh, and I demand you switch to using this icon.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3469/wolverine6sn.gif

[Abaddon]

The X-Men have a right to style.:mad:


and that fem-Wolverine is hilarious.:up:

[Herr Logan]

Well, I'm a bit confused as to why the X-Men would be changing costumes each movie. Is it just to stay in fashion, is there a seasonal concern, what?

It's a reflection of the history of the X-Men. They had a lot of different costumes, several of them good, and it's a treat for the fans. For God's sake, at the very least it'll help make more action figures!


Oh, and I demand you switch to using this icon.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3469/wolverine6sn.gif
Denied! :mad:

Hunter Rider made that, correct?

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[Zev]

It's a reflection of the history of the X-Men. They had a lot of different costumes, several of them good, and it's a treat for the fans. For God's sake, at the very least it'll help make more action figures!

There should at least be some canonical explanation for why they guseying themselves up.

Denied! :mad:

Hunter Rider made that, correct?

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No, I did. And it'd be really cool if you diiiidddd.

[Zev]

By the way, Herr, what do you think of this evil Magneto master plan?

Magneto makes an assassination attempt on Senator Kelly. He fails due to the X-Men's interference, but it's just a feint. Mystique, posing as a CIA operative, "uncovers" evidence that Russia is funding the Brotherhood of Mutants. Omega Red is there to help Magneto hijack a nuclear sub or take over a Russian missilo silo to launch a "first strike" against the United States. Magneto's final plan is to start a nuclear war between Russia and America. The following nuclear winter will be survivable only by mutants (the X-Mansion in particular has a fallout shelter and Magneto's headquarters is also shielded against nuclear blasts, as any good supervillain lair should be. Maybe it's even in orbit on Asteroid M) and the increased levels of radiation would result in all post-apocalypse births being mutants.

[Herr Logan]

There should at least be some canonical explanation for why they guseying themselves up.

Canonical, or "realistic"?

What do you mean "gusseying themselves up"? Why are they using real costumes instead of generic black leather and foam rubber suits that can only be comfortably be worn in Antarctica? Because this is a hypothetical comic book movie franchise based on the X-Men. I really thought you'd pick up on that by now.

No, I did. And it'd be really cool if you diiiidddd.

Yeah, it'd really cool if you understood that this is the last place you should have tried insinuating that Wolverine is effeminate because he wears an actual superhero costume. If you weren't clear on how it works here, I'm sure you can find the door.

Anybody with any sense whatsoever knows for a fact that it makes more sense to wear thinner material than leather when engaging in the kind of intensive exercise he does, especially considering he doesn't want or need bulky body armor. Anybody with any shred of imagination believes that Wolverine can be just as visually effective in live action wearing an approriate superhero costume as he does in the comics if there's a competent film crew at work.

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[Zev]

Canonical, or "realistic"?

What do you mean "gusseying themselves up"? Why are they using real costumes instead of generic black leather and foam rubber suits that can only be comfortably be worn in Antarctica? Because this is a hypothetical comic book movie franchise based on the X-Men. I really thought you'd pick up on that by now.

By gussying themselves up, I mean changing their costumes every movie. Unless there's something like "We made new costumes our of... newcostumeonium."

Yeah, it'd really cool if you understood that this is the last place you should have tried insinuating that Wolverine is effeminate because he wears an actual superhero costume. If you weren't clear on how it works here, I'm sure you can find the door.

Anybody with any sense whatsoever knows for a fact that it makes more sense to wear thinner material than leather when engaging in the kind of intensive exercise he does, especially considering he doesn't want or need bulky body armor. Anybody with any shred of imagination believes that Wolverine can be just as visually effective in live action wearing an approriate superhero costume as he does in the comics if there's a competent film crew at work.

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He's not effeminate because he wears an actual superhero costume, he's effeminate because it's really, really funny.

[Herr Logan]

By gussying themselves up, I mean changing their costumes every movie. Unless there's something like "We made new costumes our of... newcostumeonium."

They use something akin to Reed Richards' unstable molecules in their costumes, if not exactly that as stated if both the FF and X-Men franchises were owned by the same people in this hypothetical reality (which I know they are in real life, but I prefer not to even think about 20th Century Fox doing these projects) but I'd want the first Fantastic Four movie to come out beforehand if I'm going to cite Richards and his invention. Anyway, the fabric of the costumes is supposed to fit the X-Men comfortably (although I doubt that will actually be true on the set), is both breathable and fireproof and is strong enough to stop small caliber firearms from penetrating (it will still hurt like nobody's business, though, since there's practically no padding). It's lightweight and very practical for the kind of activities the X-Men engage in (running, jumping, fighting, getting beaten up, etc.).

I don't know if this exact material would be used in the first movie, but the original team would still wear something skintight and relatively lightweight. 'Giant Size X-Men' #1 was the first time I saw unstable molecules mentioned as being used by the X-Men, but then again, I haven't read the majority of X-Men comics before that.

Some X-Men will change costumes every movie, some won't. I'd like Storm to keep the same costume through UXM2 and UXM3, but that's just because her original costume is sexy. Nightcrawler will probably keep a very similar style all the way through-- black and red. Cyclops' suit will change, but it will maintain certain characterstics, like a blue bodysuit. Colossus has some room for variation. Wolverine can wear a new costume every movie, and he'll be seen in two different ones in UXM2.
In the fourth movie, towards the beginning, all members of the team-- new and old-- will be asked to wear the standard blue and gold X-Men uniform, so we'll see all of them in that. Very soon after that, however, most of them will switch back to individual uniforms.

He's not effeminate because he wears an actual superhero costume, he's effeminate because it's really, really funny.

Fair enough. I'm sorry I snapped at you like that.

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[Herr Logan]

By the way, Herr, what do you think of this evil Magneto master plan?

Magneto makes an assassination attempt on Senator Kelly. He fails due to the X-Men's interference, but it's just a feint. Mystique, posing as a CIA operative, "uncovers" evidence that Russia is funding the Brotherhood of Mutants. Omega Red is there to help Magneto hijack a nuclear sub or take over a Russian missilo silo to launch a "first strike" against the United States. Magneto's final plan is to start a nuclear war between Russia and America. The following nuclear winter will be survivable only by mutants (the X-Mansion in particular has a fallout shelter and Magneto's headquarters is also shielded against nuclear blasts, as any good supervillain lair should be. Maybe it's even in orbit on Asteroid M) and the increased levels of radiation would result in all post-apocalypse births being mutants.

Is that meant to take place in a first X-Men movie, or a sequel?

In any case, those are some interesting ideas. They don't fit the admittedly vague plan I've got for my movies concepts, but feel free to flesh out your own hypothetical franchise. I do think some of those elements could be used in mine, but with significant changes.

Magneto isn't making an attempt on Kelly's life in my franchise, and he's not affiliated with Mystique at this point, if ever.
In 'Uncanny X-Men 3', Mystique is going to found her own Brotherhood of Mutants, and she is going to have them attempt to assassinate Senator Kelly for his (reluctant) proposal of a Mutant Registration Act. She admires Magneto, his philosophies and for the most part, his methods. Mystique has no way of contacting Magneto at this point without possibly blowing her cover, however, but she'd probably want to.
Mystique will be working undercover at DARPA, with high security clearance as Raven Darkholme. She will have been investigating the work and reckless actions of Stephen Lang. Lang was the man who headed the Wideawake Program, constructing and programming giant, mutant-hunting robot Sentinels, which went amok in UXM2. Finding that Project Wideawake has been merely been "suspended" instead of put down completely, she feels she needs to do something drastic, and soon.

Mystique uses her friend, comrade and lover Irene Adler, aka Destiny (I may give her a makeover that leaves her as a very attractive middle-aged woman instead of elderly, which may put more asses in the seats, and it'll piss off both homophobic, alarmist protesters and either piss off or ingratiate oversensitive homosexual defamation-fighters-- she's a villain, so it's a toss-up, which will put even more asses in the seats... bwahahahaha!!) to guide her, and the blind precog says that if Robert Kelly is killed (especially if its in public), it could spark a full-blown war between "normal" humans and mutants, which will in turn draw out Magneto. She wants Magneto to join (fully knowing that he'd want to take leadership of the Brotherhood, and she figures she would allow him to think he was in charge while she stood by his side and pulled strings)
because he's got the most mutant muscle (in and of himself, not his minions), and because he'd probably draw even more mutants to join the cause. Whether he does or not, she's prepared to lead the Brotherhood, though. I want her to be her own villain, not Magneto's lapdog.

The other members of her Brotherhood would include Mystique (of course), Destiny, Pyro, Blob, Avalanche, and possibly Toad.
Blob will be an incarcerated mutant criminal who Mystique breaks out of prison. Pyro will be a top-selling serial novelist from Australia whose publishing contract gets cancelled after it's discovered that he's a damn dirty mutie. I don't know about Avalanche. I guess Toad would be broken out of prison, too, but I think I should make that an accident that happens while Blob is being freed. Mystique will have him along, but she didn't go to any trouble to break him out.
The new Brotherhood of Mutants will attempt to assassinate Kelly, the X-Men will step in and stop them, and wacky hijinx ensue. That's the basic set-up of Mystique's part in my franchise for her first movie appearance.


The thing with the nuclear war between the USA and Russia makes no sense at all for Magneto. Magneto is willing to make sacrifices, but I want to make him someone who actually cares for his people, and causing a nuclear winter would be reckless. It's just not his style. It is, however, Apocalypse' style. Magneto doesn't want just a small portion of powerful mutants left over from the world's population, nor does he want to kill all humans, but Apocalypse doesn't care who or what you are to begin with or how you treat others; he only wants to deal with the strongest specimens leftover after an apocalyptic event that lays everybody's cards (and bodies) on the table. Do you have what it takes, or don't you-- that's his deal, and wrecklessly starting a nuclear war between countries that were at peace is totally something he would do.

Omega Red could be contracted by Apocalypse, I believe. I want to keep that Russian psychopath's personality in tact, however. I want Big A to tell him that they're just going to nuke America and other capitalist countries, and Omega Red will be left in control of Russia so he can recreate and control a Communist Soviet Union. Omega Red w