X-Men Lite?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Anyone else getting that vibe from this show?

The general concept of the show seems OK, but a lot of the plot synopsis and exerpts I've seen, seem to me that it's a little too much like a watered down version of X-Men with less interesting super powers....Obviously, these people develop their powers all of a sudden vs. being born that way...

Can network TV really embrace a full-fledged super hero show?

[Warhammer]

Neva!

[Strgts]

Anyone else getting that vibe from this show?

The general concept of the show seems OK, but a lot of the plot synopsis and exerpts I've seen, seem to me that it's a little too much like a watered down version of X-Men with less interesting super powers....Obviously, these people develop their powers all of a sudden vs. being born that way...

Can network TV really embrace a full-fledged super hero show?

I give it this show at least a Week & the most a Month before Marvel sues NBC like they sued WB for Mutant X & took it off the air for the many X-Men like stuff. Born with Powers, some use it for good to help others & others will obviously use it for bad etc

[JackBauer]

don't really see ANY resemblance between the two. The 4400 or Rising Stars, on the other hand, might be a closer comparison.

unless, of course, the show goes down a road where the people with powers become heavily prejudiced and they go from there. but it would STILL be more like The 4400 than X-Men...

[JackBauer]

I give it this show at least a Week & the most a Month before Marvel sues NBC like they sued WB for Mutant X & took it off the air for the many X-Men like stuff. Born with Powers, some use it for good to help others & others will obviously use it for bad etc

guess what? that's not something that's exclusive to X-Men, or even Marvel for that matter. it's too broad a concept.

[AnimeJune]

guess what? that's not something that's exclusive to X-Men, or even Marvel for that matter. it's too broad a concept.Exactly - like how people see Shakespeare in EVERY situation, like the Lion King and such.

[The Squirrel]

Exactly - like how people see Shakespeare in EVERY situation, like the Lion King and such.


I think the Lion King was created to ressemble Hamlet.

[MarvelMovies]

The concept is broad, like "Good vs Evil"...

Which is in just about every single comic book, though is not a copyrighted concept such as being born with powers. Heck, nearly every superhero 'cept a few were born with or given powers at some point.

- Punisher and Batman would be exceptions, though they do have motives.

[AnimeJune]

I think the Lion King was created to ressemble Hamlet.Really? Review I read compared it to Richard III.

[Hush]

I think Shakespear is like untouchable as far as stories go and its been in the writing world for so long that the concepts in the stories have become common basis for every story ever and you cant have a copyright dispute over certain things that have been in writing since like forever. Of course this post could make no sense what so ever. Do what you want with it.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I didnt say it completely ripped off X-Men, I just said the concept seems pretty similar. Especailly with that film, dropping next weekend.

[LadyVader]

o_O

- The show is about a handfull of people getting powers, not a whole sub-species of Homo Sapiens.
- It is implied that they are granted these powers to "save mankind".
- All mutants develop their abilities at puberty. Obviously these are people of different ages that simply wake up one day with superpowers, which makes me seriously doubt the cause is genetic in nature. Ergo, they're not mutants.

[JLBats]

Really? Review I read compared it to Richard III.

It's pretty much dead on Hamlet with lions.

[AnimeJune]

o_O

- The show is about a handfull of people getting powers, not a whole sub-species of Homo Sapiens.
- It is implied that they are granted these powers to "save mankind".
- All mutants develop their abilities at puberty. Obviously these are people of different ages that simply wake up one day with superpowers, which makes me seriously doubt the cause is genetic in nature. Ergo, they're not mutants.Exactly - and the central theme might be something quite different. With X-Men, the theme was racism and prejudice, when considering how humanity dealt with mutants.

Here, it seems like it's going to be a random rare phenomenon, and not the creation of a new evolution of mankind. I'm actually looking forward to it - I just hope it doesn't crib too closely off of "The 4400". And I hope it lasts longer than "Surface".

[Mistopurr83]

Speaking of X-Men similarities. If this show proves to be successful. I hope it will have an impact on X-Men being made into a live action tv show. What do you think?

[AnimeJune]

Speaking of X-Men similarities. If this show proves to be successful. I hope it will have an impact on X-Men being made into a live action tv show. What do you think?I doubt it.

Mutant X had what, four seasons? Hasn't does X-Men any favours.
Besides, Heroes is going for a completely different vibe then X-Men - I doubt many people will be making the comparison.

[Mistopurr83]

Mutant X had what, four seasons? Hasn't does X-Men any favours. Besides, Heroes is going for a completely different vibe then X-Men - I doubt many people will be making the comparison.

Well Mutant X was just some x-men spinoff that lasted for 3 seasons. Now that the film trilogy has come to an end x-men has a better shot at becoming a tv series than it did before.

Of course Heroes will have a different vibe but, from what I've heard about it so far we may see similar powers.

[Darkdd]

Where did all the other threads go?

[AnimeJune]

Well Mutant X was just some "tv series" attempt that didn't follow through. It's like that animated pilot "Pryde of the X-Men" was meant to become a tv show but it never took off. Besides Mutant X was just something they tried to do before the movies even got made. Now that the film trilogy has come to an end x-men has a better shot at becoming a tv series than it did before.

Of course Heroes will have a different vibe but, from what I've heard about it so far we may see similar powers.Yes, but the show looks like it will be dealing with the drama of people dealing with their powers, instead of them just leaping into bright coloured spandex and saving a truckload of Hell's Angels from a rabid Girl Scout troupe.

[Kurt Wagner]

I give it this show at least a Week & the most a Month before Marvel sues NBC like they sued WB for Mutant X & took it off the air for the many X-Men like stuff. Born with Powers, some use it for good to help others & others will obviously use it for bad etc

If I remember correctly, Avi Arad was one of the producers and creators of Mutant X...

but I think I read also that they Fox sued WB because they had rights to an X-men show... somethign along those lines.

[SpiderMarc]

I get the X-Men vibe too....I just hope this show isn't LOST meets X-MEN (although, I love both). I want some ORIGINALITY.

The trailer looks cool. Looks like some cool characters.

[The Squirrel]

How is it anything like LOST?

When the NBC people said it would be like LOST, I think that they meant it would be a break out drama that changes the way dramas are done.

How is it like LOST?

No Island?
No Monster?
No other people?

I doubt we are going to have flashbacks.

Where are the similarites that people think the two shows have?

[JackBauer]

How is it anything like LOST?

When the NBC people said it would be like LOST, I think that they meant it would be a break out drama that changes the way dramas are done.

How is it like LOST?

No Island?
No Monster?
No other people?

I doubt we are going to have flashbacks.

Where are the similarites that people think the two shows have?

I was wondering that myself. must be the ominous and mysterious mood they're going with. that's all I can see, and it's still quite a reach, cause ominous and mysterious is not exclusive to Lost...

[AnimeJune]

How is it anything like LOST?

When the NBC people said it would be like LOST, I think that they meant it would be a break out drama that changes the way dramas are done.

How is it like LOST?

No Island?
No Monster?
No other people?

I doubt we are going to have flashbacks.

Where are the similarites that people think the two shows have?I think it's just instinct that whenever something groundbreaking comes out - which was Lost - a great deal of other shows get unfairly compared to it, even though they have very little in commmon.

[Xybalba69]

just lke JackBauer said...

this show resembles more 4400 than anything else...

a bunch of people discovering they have some kind of powers after an eclipse...

i should have stayed out the night Halley's Comet passed years ago...damn...

[AnimeJune]

just lke JackBauer said...

this show resembles more 4400 than anything else...

a bunch of people discovering they have some kind of powers after an eclipse...

i should have stayed out the night Halley's Comet passed years ago...damn...Yeah, you lost out on the chance to become mysteriously impregnated and watch your baby grow 20 years in two days.

[GoldenAgeHero]

the show doesnt really interest me. the show can possibly go the way of the tick.

[tzarinna]

I'm sligthly curious

[xii22_loop]

the show Mutant X got sued by Marvel, bigtime, right>?

[Mistopurr83]

the show Mutant X got sued by Marvel, bigtime, right>?

No it was Fox that tried to sue the makers of Mutant X.

[XCharlieX]

I thought it was an x men ripoff until i heard their powers come from an eclipse heh.

HOWEVER, the commercial said mankind is evolving.... theyre definitely taking cues from it. That annoyed me a bit.

[AnimeJune]

I thought it was an x men ripoff until i heard their powers come from an eclipse heh.

HOWEVER, the commercial said mankind is evolving.... theyre definitely taking cues from it. That annoyed me a bit.X-men don't own the exclusive rights to the scientific phenomenon of evolution, dude. It's a perfectly good explanation for superpowers.

Unbreakable subtly used such an explanation, and it didn't get sued.

[JackBauer]

it's not as simplistic an explanation as "evolution".

in the beggining of the pilot, it's explained that us humans only use 10% of our brains, and that if only we could tap into that other 90%, we could develop such powers as flight, teleportation, etc.

and later, the indian scientist, whose father came up with the theory, finds his father's place completely rummaged(sp?), and takes a few files with labels indicating each of the powers we see. so there's definitely something else there.

[XCharlieX]

X-men don't own the exclusive rights to the scientific phenomenon of evolution, dude. It's a perfectly good explanation for superpowers.

Still yet, x - men is the juggernaut that has that covered for the most part. All i know is that commercial sounded like it couldve been x-men the series. Not sure about the actual plot details.

Unbreakable was pretty good.

[AnimeJune]

Still yet, x - men is the juggernaut that has that covered for the most part.I thought it was the other way around. :D

X-men's been the most popular media use of evolution, still doesn't mean it owns it or that other people who use it are ripping it off.

[XCharlieX]

Well ive seen some interviews from the cast on access hollywood.

If its not directed toward x men its directed toward folks who dislike action films of the nature.

[GoldenAgeHero]

i honestly don't think this show is going to get passed its first season. the premise sucks, because its unoriginal. and yes its very x men like. if anything this show is more of a ripoff of rising stars.

[3dman27]

i'll be taping it tonight
i hope the series will las a season at least

[JackBauer]

i honestly don't think this show is going to get passed its first season. the premise sucks, because its unoriginal. and yes its very x men like. if anything this show is more of a ripoff of rising stars.

:whatever: is all I can say to that.

[GoldenAgeHero]

^^nice informative opinion.

[JackBauer]

^^nice informative opinion.

you weren't the first to come to this ridiculous conclusion, so I've explained this before: the concept is WAY too broad to be called a rip-off.

[amazingfantasy15]

So, if anybody ever makes a show about people having superpowers it's an X-Men rip-off? Did Stan Lee invent the concept of superpowers?

I'm kinda interested in the show, want to see where it goes.

[GoldenAgeHero]

you weren't the first to come to this ridiculous conclusion, so I've explained this before: the concept is WAY too broad to be called a rip-off.


have you read rising stars? read that and come back to me.

[AnimeJune]

Well, I saw the pilot, and I've seen the promo commericals for upcoming episodes, and it looks like it's seriously deviating from the X-Men idea. The X-men dealt squarely with evolution, and not with fate or predestination - as this show is evidently doing.

So we have the evolution aspect, but we also have a cool supernatural mystery. Besides - the stripper's power seems more magical than scientific to me.

[JackBauer]

have you read rising stars? read that and come back to me.

actually, I have, smartass. it's much more comparable to The 4400 than to Heroes, that's a FACT.

[GNR]

This show is better than the X-films anyways,who cares.

If anything,I see this series as Rising Stars lite.For anyone who has read that terrific series,they'd see the similarities.

[Neptune]

Well it certainly is better than X men 3.

[NateGray]

I think the Lion King was created to ressemble Hamlet.


Yeh more like it was a direct rip off of Kimba the white lion

[Katsuro]

i honestly don't think this show is going to get passed its first season. the premise sucks, because its unoriginal. and yes its very x men like. if anything this show is more of a ripoff of rising stars.

Looks like someone was WRONG!!!!

Seriously, fantastic show, regardless of it's not-so-original concept. Who cares, really? Can anyone come up with a good idea anymore? It's the execution that matters, and Heroes does that excellently. Good stories, good characters, good writing and acting.

Besides, name one X-Men character who's half as cool as Mr. Bennet.

[Trigger]

I was getting some X-Men vibes from the comments Sylar kept making about people with powers being in conflict with those without abilities, but I'd hardly call the show X-Men Lite. The X-men has always dealt more with fighting some kind of opression, while Heroes is just about people suddenly getting powers and the shenanigans that ensue. Nothing about this show is original, at all, but that doesn't make it crap either. It's come at just the right time because superhero shows aren't as common as say, a drama based around doctors, and that's just made the experience fresher. Mr. Bauer's right in that it's more like 4400.

[Angamb]

Definetly Heroes has big X-men influences, but as others has said, I don't matter. This series is amazing, love the relationship between characters, much much better than the xfilms, like someone has said.

I'd wish the x-men had a series as good as this one day... who knows.... maybe in a few years they decide to do it.

Anyway, congrats to Heroes team, well done work!

[Antrax255]

They should have a X-men crossover like Hiro meets a hero who has the ability to make dreams seem real and Hiro has a dream that he and everyone joins the X-men.

[GeoffTheArtist]

Wasn't necessarily a big fan of the X-Men in the first place. I continue to cringe whenever I hear someone compare "Heroes" to Marvel's mutants. They may have there similarities, but the story is different (somewhat), the villian's motive(s) is/are different, etc. I prefer this to X-Men. While I like a couple of those mutants, I don't care for the entire team. The only one I should see die and come back is Wolverine. When you die, stay dead! "Heroes" is unique in its own right and is in no way a rip off of the X-Men. I don't see any Sentinels showing up in season 2...

[Sentinel X]

This show clearly has an inspiration from X-men and thats okay...its not a bad thing. And for people saying that these charecter aren't mutants...yes they are :dry:...they may not be what the marvel universe concidered mutants but they really are...they mutated and have superpowers. The mutation doesn't necessarily have to take place at birth it can be anytime.

[GL1]

They are mutants in terms of real life, but not in terms of Marvel Comics.

I still don't see any 'big' X-Men influences, beyond evolutiony powers IF Heroes actually is a result of evolution, which has yet to be shown on the show.

I think a lot of the things that people are claiming to be X-Men-like are actually things that X-Men copied from somewhere else that they just don't know about.

[Mysterio]

They are mutants in terms of real life, but not in terms of Marvel Comics.

I still don't see any 'big' X-Men influences, beyond evolutiony powers IF Heroes actually is a result of evolution, which has yet to be shown on the show.how can you possible say that when the entire series opened with a monologue on evolution by Mohinder, Dr. Suresh's book titled "Activating Evolution," and the DNA/RNA helix that appears throughout the series?

[GL1]

Because my powers of forgetfulness are ummatched.

But keep in mind, while DNA has something to do with it, I'm not sure the solar eclipses are completely innocent. I don't think anyone should be.

[Mysterio]

Because my powers of forgetfulness are ummatched.

But keep in mind, while DNA has something to do with it, I'm not sure the solar eclipses are completely innocent. I don't think anyone should be.the eclipses aren't innocent. they are the catalyst, the trigger.

[Rac]

Hehe. When I was watching the show I liked to compare the powers/characters to the Marvel ones.

Claire = Wolverine
Peter = Rogue
Niki = Hulk
Micah = Forge (kinda)
DL = Kitty
Ted Sprague = Chamber (though their powers ain't really the same, he just kinda reminded me of Chamber)
Hiro = Nightcrawler

[Sugarculted]

Hehe. When I was watching the show I liked to compare the powers/characters to the Marvel ones.

Claire = Wolverine
Peter = Rogue
Niki = Hulk
Micah = Forge (kinda)
DL = Kitty
Ted Sprague = Chamber (though their powers ain't really the same, he just kinda reminded me of Chamber)
Hiro = Nightcrawler



Peter - Mimic
Niki - Phoenix-ish

[Xavier da Hiro]

I think that the eclipse is a trigger or their powers, i don't know whether an eclipse gves offf a particlar type of sun rays but if it does then those rays could cause a reaction within a potential 'heroes' dna/rna, thus activating their powers,...just a theory. oh and btw i think that Niki is more like Typhoid Mary.

I also have a theory that her multiple personality was in fact her dead sis' Jessica but who astral projected into her body. probly not the case but still.

and with regards to kane i think he was some guy (probly english) her was in japan for some reason and they belived him to be an excellent fighter, and the eclipse that is seen at the end of season 1 triggers kanes power. mube he's got similar anatomy to a cockroach so he can survive for ages and maybe communicate with them after training.

With regards to the Haitan, I think that he has the power to erase memories and touching some1's head can remove memories permenantley annd after practice he can temporarily erase peoples memory of how to access/control their powers without need to touch them.

lol just THEORIES remember, don't be afraid to criticise,:woot:

[Child-of-Light]

Peter - Mimic
Niki - Phoenix-ish
i think niki more as hulk because of strength but peter and mimic are more like it i like peter but one thing i think would be better for his power is if he was more like mimic and couldn't get the full potential of the power...but he still is cool...but hiro is the best :woot: :oldrazz: except i dont think he is like nightcrawler nightcrawlers teleportation is diffrent when hiro teleported a lot in the last episode what i liked what they did was show time pass by nightcrawler its a little diffrent it happens immediatley

[Child-of-Light]

i love all your thories i really like the haitian one thats a very unique idea and sun rays is great too and the niki one thats what i was hoping it would be becuase i think it would be cool to see her have 2 diffrent powers and switch off when ever she needed a certain power and i think it would be neat if kane was i forget hiro's swords past owners name you know tha ancient japanese guy oh wait kensi or something but i think that would be cool if he was kane and changed his name or something or if kensi was hiros dad i just cant wiat to see i wish heroes started nowI think that the eclipse is a trigger or their powers, i don't know whether an eclipse gves offf a particlar type of sun rays but if it does then those rays could cause a reaction within a potential 'heroes' dna/rna, thus activating their powers,...just a theory. oh and btw i think that Niki is more like Typhoid Mary.

I also have a theory that her multiple personality was in fact her dead sis' Jessica but who astral projected into her body. probly not the case but still.

and with regards to kane i think he was some guy (probly english) her was in japan for some reason and they belived him to be an excellent fighter, and the eclipse that is seen at the end of season 1 triggers kanes power. mube he's got similar anatomy to a cockroach so he can survive for ages and maybe communicate with them after training.

With regards to the Haitan, I think that he has the power to erase memories and touching some1's head can remove memories permenantley annd after practice he can temporarily erase peoples memory of how to access/control their powers without need to touch them.

lol just THEORIES remember, don't be afraid to criticise,:woot:

[Caliber]

Anyone else getting that vibe from this show?

The general concept of the show seems OK, but a lot of the plot synopsis and exerpts I've seen, seem to me that it's a little too much like a watered down version of X-Men with less interesting super powers....Obviously, these people develop their powers all of a sudden vs. being born that way...

Can network TV really embrace a full-fledged super hero show?

Hasn't this topic been discussed already?

[TwilightPro101]

Can't truly see it as X-Men lite.

[Rorschach2012]

no resemblance

[BAMFaly]

It's impossible to deny that there's not very obvious comparisons between the two.

Also:
I do remember reading somewhere that in season 2 we will see a couple of characters fully embrace their powers (vigilante or public figures???) and that might lead to 'costumes' I guess. Alhtough I suppose you could say that some already have a costume (Clair - cheerleader outfit etc.) Could work.

[pyromaniac]

Do you know what - I would love for Heroes to be received in an absolutely, unexpected, but understandable direction that parallels the public sentiment of the real world.

We have both documented and hearsay testimonies of psychokinesis, telekinesis, prognostication, astral projection, all that 'strange and off-the-wall stuff out there' and so forth... with variegated, spectacular and modest degrees of success.

But for the most part, for the majority not particularly well-developed in those areas, we have viewed them with skepticism, intrigue and awe when one regards myth, folklore or rumour.

A highly publicised website or media outlet claims a Japanese office worker disappears one minute, and appears in another place the next. An artist who can predict the future with his paintbrush. A Texan cheerleader clinically dead and incised open down the chest seems to be the same person walking around safe and alive at school.

A debate begins. Let's see how fast a wildfire can spread...

In short, it would further set apart Heroes from the unfortunate associations often so banded about and attached to it. And face it - it would deepen and twist and entice the mythos, nuances and fantasies as a tree sprouting multiple branches would that Heroes is already reowned for: it's only the beginning.

I say this because some people, whom I always reckon just lack imagination and pluck, incorrectly surmise that Heroes has a limited timepsan, and that the think tank is short on fuel.

You're only as good as your work, mate, not the other way around. And even then more than good: the sky being the limit and all as wont the popular aphorism.

Benefit of the doubt wouldn't be too much to ask.

On another topic - I also dislike the misuse of the term mutant, because that's an opinion and a matter of appropriate context (I hope someone of equal sound mind would elaborate on this because it's a discussion for another time), as well as oft-comparison in abilities between counterparts. That is, Hiro is like Nightcrawler. The former's is affected by and affects time, while the latter moves in a more linear fashion, and subsequently more limited in proximity and scope.

I mean, if you have to do that, might as well say that Jessica is like Superman just based on principle of sheer superstrength. Not application, if you'll notice the difference.

And while I'm at it though: I want a male, masculine, gay, attached and regular hero on the show!

Because I'd be just writing him myself. :p

[GNR]

Better than X-Men and more influences from Rising Stars which is also better than X-Men.:D