Kenshin vs Batman

[Dark-Kenshin]

Straight up battle with both characters at their best, except Kenshin doesn't get to turn into the manslayer at any point of the fight. Who wins?

[D.Rex]

I say Kenshin wins. I think he's a damn near unmatched martial artist.His sword and strike speed are almost superhuman.In a one onone match where Batman has no room to improvise I say Kenshin.

[Gotenks]

Batman has no chance against kenshin. It would be sad to see batman cut up into pieces, but theres no way he could win.

[Warhammer]

Even though I love Batman and could care less about Kenshin,
Kenshin would still wipe the floor wth him.

:(

[hippie_hunter]

I like Kenshin more than Batman but I have to give Batman the win. Batman posesses superior knowledge, superior tactics, superior martial arts, superior arsenal (batarangs, bombs, smoke pellets, projectiles, etc) and is a decent swordsman (nowhere near Kenshin's level). All Kenshin has is superior swordsmanship skills and near-god like speed. Batman is also more brutal than Kenshin.

[Warhammer]

I like Kenshin more than Batman but I have to give Batman the win. Batman posesses superior knowledge, superior tactics, superior martial arts, superior arsenal (batarangs, bombs, smoke pellets, projectiles, etc) and is a decent swordsman (nowhere near Kenshin's level). All Kenshin has is superior swordsmanship skills and near-god like speed. Batman is also more brutal than Kenshin.


I do agree with what Batman has to offer.
(Has a Batman geekasm)

[Dark-Kenshin]

Can Batman measure up to any of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-iMfOHeiu4&search=Kenshin%20episode%2030

[hippie_hunter]

Can Batman measure up to any of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-iMfOHeiu4&search=Kenshin%20episode%2030

Kenshin no longer reverts to the the Battosai. And yes, Batman can match that except for the speed.

[Warhammer]

You know, Batman probably stands a chance about Kenshin.
Throw a exploding Batarang at him, and that's that.

Besides, Batman is a very good hand-to-hand fighter, one of the best in the DC Universe.

[hippie_hunter]

You know, Batman probably stands a chance about Kenshin.
Throw a exploding Batarang at him, and that's that.

Besides, Batman is a very good hand-to-hand fighter, one of the best in the DC Universe.

He is also very skilled in weapons combat too.

[Warhammer]

That is true.
Kenshin could wipe the floor with Batman, but the good news is Batman could do the same thing 2x over.

[Dark-Kenshin]

Kenshin no longer reverts to the the Battosai. And yes, Batman can match that except for the speed.

Kenshin surpasses his skills as that battousai, after his master teaches him the two ultimate techniques. Although if he went battousai from then, he'd be even more powerful. The point is that by the end of the kyoto arc, he is more skilled than what I had shown in the video.

Batman's smart, I'll give you that, but Kenshin is smarter. He fights by reading emotions. Considering how emotional Batman is with losing his parents, trying so hard to fight the temptation of killing, and his obsession with crime, reading his emotions and countering them would be a piece of cake.

Even if Batman had the chance for a rematch, he'd still lose. Kenshin beat Shishio, who could analyze and counter any technique used on him previously.

[acerwylde]

I like Kenshin more than Batman but I have to give Batman the win. Batman posesses superior knowledge, superior tactics, superior martial arts, superior arsenal (batarangs, bombs, smoke pellets, projectiles, etc) and is a decent swordsman (nowhere near Kenshin's level). All Kenshin has is superior swordsmanship skills and near-god like speed. Batman is also more brutal than Kenshin.



With that being stated how could batman win?

and if you watched Kenshin how could you say Batman is a superior tactician?

[Gotenks]

Yeah that would mean batman would need god-like speed to match or even beat kenshin and i know batman is not fast.

[hippie_hunter]

Kenshin surpasses his skills as that battousai, after his master teaches him the two ultimate techniques. Although if he went battousai from then, he'd be even more powerful. The point is that by the end of the kyoto arc, he is more skilled than what I had shown in the video.

Batman's smart, I'll give you that, but Kenshin is smarter. He fights by reading emotions. Considering how emotional Batman is with losing his parents, trying so hard to fight the temptation of killing, and his obsession with crime, reading his emotions and countering them would be a piece of cake.

Even if Batman had the chance for a rematch, he'd still lose. Kenshin beat Shishio, who could analyze and counter any technique used on him previously.

1. Batman has 21st Century knowledge, Kenshin has 19th Century knowledge. Batman basically wins by default. Batman is also one of the smartest men of the 21st Century, right up there with Lex Luthor, Ted Kord, Oracle, Robin, Kid Flash, and Mr. Terrific.

2. Kenshin no longer reverts to the Battosai and doesn't need to. After Kenshin learned the ultimate techniques of the Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu, Kenshin became more powerful than the Battosai.

3. Shishio only lost to Kenshin because he spontaneously combusted. Shishio would have won that fight if he did not have that limitation.

4. Batman does hide his emotions in combat, just like Soujiro. Batman is considered to be a rather unemotional and cold person, the exact opposite of Kenshin. Also Batman has moved on past the deaths of his parents. Their ghosts no longer haunt him, they give him confort. Unlike Kenshin who is haunted by the death of his wife Tomoe and all those that he's killed. Batman holds himself back from killing just like Kenshin. He has been tempted just as much as Kenshin has (Batman was tempted to kill the Joker and Alexander Luthor, Kenshin was tempted to kill Saito, Cho, and Jin'e).

[hippie_hunter]

With that being stated how could batman win?

and if you watched Kenshin how could you say Batman is a superior tactician?

Batman has come up with plans to take down members of the Justice League and other heroes. Hes come up with numerous battle plans and up to 5 back up plans for each (stated in No Man's Land) if the a plan fails. He's come up with a plan to fight Superman and live through it.

Batman is the DCU's second best strategist behind Deathstroke. Kenshin is no idiot. But Batman is the superior tactician.

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah that would mean batman would need god-like speed to match or even beat kenshin and i know batman is not fast.

Kenshin's superior speed and swordsmanship skills are the only things Batman would have to worry about. Batman's superior martial arts skills along with his adequate weapons combat skills would counter Kenshin's swordsmanship. The speed however is another thing. I honestly can't think of a way Batman would come around it.

[D.Rex]

Can Batman measure up to any of this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-iMfOHeiu4&search=Kenshin%20episode%2030

Damn. That clip reminded me of what a great show Rurouni Kenshin was. I have to go buy some DVDs. That was one my favorite shows of all time.

[Dark-Kenshin]

1. Batman has 21st Century knowledge, Kenshin has 19th Century knowledge. Batman basically wins by default. Batman is also one of the smartest men of the 21st Century, right up there with Lex Luthor, Ted Kord, Oracle, Robin, Kid Flash, and Mr. Terrific.

2. Kenshin no longer reverts to the Battosai and doesn't need to. After Kenshin learned the ultimate techniques of the Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu, Kenshin became more powerful than the Battosai.

3. Shishio only lost to Kenshin because he spontaneously combusted. Shishio would have won that fight if he did not have that limitation.

4. Batman does hide his emotions in combat, just like Soujiro. Batman is considered to be a rather unemotional and cold person, the exact opposite of Kenshin. Also Batman has moved on past the deaths of his parents. Their ghosts no longer haunt him, they give him confort. Unlike Kenshin who is haunted by the death of his wife Tomoe and all those that he's killed. Batman holds himself back from killing just like Kenshin. He has been tempted just as much as Kenshin has (Batman was tempted to kill the Joker and Alexander Luthor, Kenshin was tempted to kill Saito, Cho, and Jin'e).

1.Doesn't matter. This is a straight up battle. Kenshin is a master tactician, a genius. One of his greatest feats is being able to manipulate a fighting style meant for extremely muscular men, meant for only killing, to his own abilities.

2. That's complete speculation. He can supposedly no longer revert, because he doesn't need the strength of that form. I'm sure that if his ultimate attack failed him completely, he'd revert to that form in desperation.

3. Don't forget that after Kenshin used his ultimate technique, Shishio was on the floor, and his girlfriend stood in front of Kenshin, giving Shishio the chance to stab through her to cut Kenshin's liver. So Kenshin would have won the fight without major damage, if it weren't for that.

4. As did Soujiro. And if I recall, Batman's emotions were all over the place during his fight with Jason Todd in an issue a few months back. Even when fighting the Joker, it's been proven possible to get a rise out of him. So they aren't difficult to erupt. So with that being said, all of Batman's moves will be predicted before he even makes them.

[ster]

3. Shishio only lost to Kenshin because he spontaneously combusted. Shishio would have won that fight if he did not have that limitation.


The only reason he survived that attack was because Kenshin was using a reverse blade sword. Otherwise, Shishio would have been cut in half. As far as what the two of them were physically capable of, Kenshin is superior.

But anyway, I recall Kenshin being able to go right through a mob of men and knock them all out with his reverse blade sword without anybody even being able to see him move. I thought that Batman had more limitations than that?

[hippie_hunter]

1.Doesn't matter. This is a straight up battle. Kenshin is a master tactician, a genius. One of his greatest feats is being able to manipulate a fighting style meant for extremely muscular men, meant for only killing, to his own abilities.
No, Batman is the superior tactician. This is the man who has come up with a plan to fight a mind controlled Superman and actually live.

2. That's complete speculation. He can supposedly no longer revert, because he doesn't need the strength of that form. I'm sure that if his ultimate attack failed him completely, he'd revert to that form in desperation.
No, the Jinchu arc shows that Kenshin no longer reverts to the Battosai and that when the Amakeru Ryu no Hirameki failed against Enishi he did not revert to the Battosai.

3. Don't forget that after Kenshin used his ultimate technique, Shishio was on the floor, and his girlfriend stood in front of Kenshin, giving Shishio the chance to stab through her to cut Kenshin's liver. So Kenshin would have won the fight without major damage, if it weren't for that.
Very true, if it weren't for Shishio's dirty move, Kenshin would have won that fight with some difficulty. But since Shishio killed Yumi, severly wounding Kenshin, Shishio should have been the victor.

4. As did Soujiro. And if I recall, Batman's emotions were all over the place during his fight with Jason Todd in an issue a few months back. Even when fighting the Joker, it's been proven possible to get a rise out of him. So they aren't difficult to erupt. So with that being said, all of Batman's moves will be predicted before he even makes them.
If someone's adopted son rose from the dead because of Superboy Prime's Super Emo Crystal Wall Breaking Punches and went into a Red Hood situation, they would react just like Batman. If the Joker killed someone's childhood best friend a few feet away from the killing, even though childhood friend was a clay decoy, they would get emotional. If someone saw their other adopted son lying on the ground on the verge of death, that person would get emotional. Batman is human, just like Kenshin. Kenshin would react the same way in Batman's place. Any person would. However those were rare circumstances, in a normal fight such as Batman vs. Kenshin, Batman would not get emotional. Bringing up Batman's parents would not get him emotional. Batman has confronted his parents' deaths and has moved on. That was the opposite of Soujiro, Soujiro locked up all his emotions and bad memories. Hence why he was on the verge of a breakdown, that is why he broke down in front of Kenshin because Kenshin made him realise that he was doing something that he did not want to do. Batman wants to be Batman, Soujiro did not want to be an assassin for the Juppongatana.

[hippie_hunter]

The only reason he survived that attack was because Kenshin was using a reverse blade sword. Otherwise, Shishio would have been cut in half. As far as what the two of them were physically capable of, Kenshin is superior.
Very true, if Kenshin used a regular sword, Shishio would have been killed. But that is not what Kenshin stands for. Batman and Kenshin are about equals physically. Batman would probally have the upper hand physically because he is much taller than Kenshin.

But anyway, I recall Kenshin being able to go right through a mob of men and knock them all out with his reverse blade sword without anybody even being able to see him move. I thought that Batman had more limitations than that?
That is because Kenshin is definetly superior to Batman in speed. But Batman has been able to defeat large numbers of people also.

[Dark-Kenshin]

1. Batman always beats Superman because of PIS, CIS, kryptonite, and that Superman is a boyscout. Heck, during hush, Batman even admitted that he would never be able to beat Superman, if not for his kind nature. By the way, in their last encounter, I seem to recall superman giving batman a royal brusing. And the only reason he survived was because of PIS. Kenshin on the contrary finds ways to beat opponents with unstoppable techniques, and without killing them.

2. Kenshin still beat Enishi, yes? If there were a point in the fight in which where he had no other option, I'm sure he would have reverted to battousai.

3. Agreed, but with no difficulty. Shishio was on his knees, and Kenshin was not. There was nothing he could have done in a fair fight.

4. But Batman doesn't anticipate his enemies movements by their emotions, but rather through his ocular senses, and his hearing, By the way, Batman hasn't gotten over his parents death. I don't know what bad writer fed you that. He is psychopathic. If he did, he wouldn't be fighting crime in gotham, and wouldn't feel it his place till' the day of his death . Heck, he says that he wears a mask as Bruce Wayne, and that Batman is his true face. So with that being sad, I'd say it would be fair to say that Batman has indeed locked up his emotions. It's true that they really re-surface. Stilll, what's proven is that it's possible to bring them out, as Kenshin had done to Soujiro.

{That is because Kenshin is definetly superior to Batman in speed. But Batman has been able to defeat large numbers of people also.}

How often does he defeat large numbers in half of a second?

[Dark-Kenshin]

You know, Batman probably stands a chance about Kenshin.
Throw a exploding Batarang at him, and that's that.

Besides, Batman is a very good hand-to-hand fighter, one of the best in the DC Universe.

I recall Kenshin fighting against a guy who was tossing dynamite at him. Sano's friend I believe. Anyway, Kenshin beat him quite easily.

[hippie_hunter]

I recall Kenshin fighting against a guy who was tossing dynamite at him. Sano's friend I believe. Anyway, Kenshin beat him quite easily.

Katsu's bombs had fuses on them, allowing Kenshin to use his god-like speed to cut them. An exploding batarang does not have a fuse. However, Kenshin would be able to dodge those with rather ease :o

[hippie_hunter]

1. Batman always beats Superman because of PIS, CIS, kryptonite, and that Superman is a boyscout. Heck, during hush, Batman even admitted that he would never be able to beat Superman, if not for his kind nature. By the way, in their last encounter, I seem to recall superman giving batman a royal brusing. And the only reason he survived was because of PIS. Kenshin on the contrary finds ways to beat opponents with unstoppable techniques, and without killing them.
I didn't say beat Superman. Superman has defeated Batman with ease in Sacrifice. Why? Because Superman is a Kryptonian and Batman is a mere human, just like Kenshin. I said that Batman managed to fight a rogue Superman and actually LIVE. And Batman does the same thing too, he finds a way to defeat his opponents without killing them. Batman and Kenshin share the same "No Killing" doctrine.

2. Kenshin still beat Enishi, yes? If there were a point in the fight in which where he had no other option, I'm sure he would have reverted to battousai.
After the Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki was defeated, Kenshin was on his knees. Enishi then went off to kill Kaoru. Kenshin then got up and started to fight Enishi with his own hands and gained an upper hand until Kujiranami came and pinned Kenshin to a wall. Kenshin lost the fight because of that and Kaoru was "killed." Right now in volume 27 of the manga Enishi is kicking Kenshin's ass in his second battle with Enishi, has blocked all nine strikes of the Kuzuryusen, surpassed Kenshin in speed, and defeated Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu. The fight will continue in the last volume, where Kenshin will most likely find someway to win.

3. Agreed, but with no difficulty. Shishio was on his knees, and Kenshin was not. There was nothing he could have done in a fair fight.
Kenshin was still severly wounded, even without Shishio stabbing him in the torso through Yumi. Shishio still found a way to get up after getting hit with the second attack of the Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki. Shishio was surpassing his limits, just like Kenshin was. If Kenshin was no stabbed in the torso, he would have definetly won, but with some difficulty. However, he was stabbed and Shishio should have been the victor of that fight.

4. But Batman doesn't anticipate his enemies movements by their emotions, but rather through his ocular senses, and his hearing, By the way, Batman hasn't gotten over his parents death. I don't know what bad writer fed you that. He is psychopathic. If he did, he wouldn't be fighting crime in gotham, and wouldn't feel it his place till' the day of his death . Heck, he says that he wears a mask as Bruce Wayne, and that Batman is his true face. So with that being sad, I'd say it would be fair to say that Batman has indeed locked up his emotions. It's true that they really re-surface. Stilll, what's proven is that it's possible to bring them out, as Kenshin had done to Soujiro.
1. Kenshin is obviously superior to Batman in reading their upcomming opponents attacks. However Kenshin is able to do that through reading their opponents emotions. Batman is not an emotional fighter. His moves are not thought, they are instinct. That would make it quite difficult for Kenshin to read Batman's upcomming attacks.

2. Yes, Batman has gotten over his parents deaths. He got over them in Death and the Maidens by Greg Rucka. Good story, people only complain about it because it killed one of Batman's major opponents: Ra's al Ghul.

3. Batman is Batman because he wants to be not because he has to be. That is a common misconception (read Identity Crisis). Bruce Wayne is now the main identity and Batman is the mask. The events of Knightfall, A Death in the Family, Contagion, No Man's Land, and Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive, the Batman identity took over Bruce Wayne and became the prominent identity. Bruce Wayne became the mask. But after Murderer/Fugitive, the Bruce Wayne persona once again became the prominant identity and Batman became the mask once again. The events of War Games and Infinite Crisis forced Batman to realise that being a complete dick is not the way to go and Batman became even more of a mask. Bruce Wayne is who Batman truely is now.

4. Batman hasn't locked up anything like Soujiro did to completely break down.

How often does he defeat large numbers in half of a second?
He's never done that, and frankly that would be quite stupid if Batman did that.

[Spare-Flair]

Sorry, even the Hitokiri Battousai stands no chance against Batman...

unless it was a straight up sword fight with normal clothes. If Batman has his costume, he would win. In a normal clothes swordfight, Kenshin would have superior speed because of his small size but Batman has the same reflexes and bulk plus the benefit of mastery over martial art styles Kenshin has NEVER encountered before. Face it, Kenshin is a master over Japanese sword fighting, but facing unorthodox styles, it may take him sometime to adapt.

Batman also has gaijin power so he'd make Kaoru fall in love with him.

[hippie_hunter]

Sorry, even the Hitokiri Battousai stands no chance against Batman...

unless it was a straight up sword fight with normal clothes. If Batman has his costume, he would win. In a normal clothes swordfight, Kenshin would have superior speed because of his small size but Batman has the same reflexes and bulk plus the benefit of mastery over martial art styles Kenshin has NEVER encountered before. Face it, Kenshin is a master over Japanese sword fighting, but facing unorthodox styles, it may take him sometime to adapt.

Batman also has gaijin power so he'd make Kaoru fall in love with him.

Kenshin isn't fast because of his small size, it is because of Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu. And Kaoru isn't such a shallow woman to fall in love with the hunky Batman. If that were the case she wouldn't have married a man who looked like a woman.

[hippie_hunter]

Why did this thread have to die? This was probally the only vs. thread that I have seen that did not resort to flame wars and had a good debate :(

[buutenks]

I give it to Kenshin because of his speed.

[Phantom Lantern]

as much as batman rocks he wouldnt be able to withstand kenshin starting a rambling monologue. thus kenshin would defeat batman by boring him to death :(

or maybe kenshin will dissappear up his own arse when he starts spewing his 'deep' thoughts on life and philosophy before batman is defeated

its kenshin fight to lose, we can only pray batman drank plenty of coffee

[Big R]

I say Kenshin wins by a hair. Both exceptional martial artists but I think Kenshin is a little too fast for Batman in a one on one match. I assuming they are in a ring of some sort so that takes away both the element of surprise and the shadows which are two things Btaman uses to his advantage. So what it comes down to is a one on one battle of fighting skills and in that scenario I say Kenshin wins.

[hippie_hunter]

I say Kenshin wins by a hair. Both exceptional martial artists but I think Kenshin is a little too fast for Batman in a one on one match. I assuming they are in a ring of some sort so that takes away both the element of surprise and the shadows which are two things Btaman uses to his advantage. So what it comes down to is a one on one battle of fighting skills and in that scenario I say Kenshin wins.

1. Kenshin is more of a swordsman than a martial artist. Batman is a far superior martial artist than Kenshin is. Batman is a better swordsman than Kenshin is a martial artist.

2. Kenshin is also a master of surprise and the shadows when he was Hitokiri Battosai.

3. Kenshin's only advantages to Batman are his superior swordsmanship and speed.

[mano012sg]

I don't know how many of you here are practicing Martial Artists, Asian or Western.

But in my opinion and study of the martial arts (chinese, japanese and western), lemme tell you, that as a martial artist, kenshin is far superior martial artist than Batman.

Kenshin power, comes from within, his hyper-reflexive 'God-Speed', his flow of attack, and the power that comes from within (a really exploded version of Bruce Lee). In addtion, his work in the shadows in the times of the ninjas and shadow samurais, gives his a natural given for stealth work, and btw, he easily knocks ninjas down.

Batman is an exceptional martial artist,a 'master' strategician by modern standards. But his power is raw and external will powered. no matter how good batman is, he will be very hard-pressed to reach the power levels of battousai...VERY. I am not refuting Batman, or his ability to beat superman..that can be overcome using 'the opponents strength against him'. But while all martial arts preach calmness, it doesn't make it a absolute necessity or what ever. Batman's martial arts is for self-defence in the urban environment. His direct opponents are skilled opponents.

As for himura kenshin's opponents, of whom are of various styles and weapons of all of japanese arts of that era (especially samurai and ninja), were all trained at their best, the 'qualifiers' for war, themselves were at around batman's standards. batman, compared to them (assuming as in Ra's Al'ghul in BB), would just be 'promising, lets see' category. in modern times and in the western perspective, that is "amazing and the best". However in the days of the samurai, batman with all optimism and armour and gadgets, would probably last a few rounds with saito hajime, before being pierced with zero-gatotsu, right through his armour, at his very very best.

The basic fact (unbiased) Kenshin will slice and dice batman, because he's freaking far tougher, faster, functional and has fought against almost all opponents in the bakamatsu of all almost all the kenjutsu styles, ninjutsu styles. He will be fighting at a level, that surpasses than just what motivates batman. (I mean, you look at the battousai scenes, don't you get a unique, cold, scared but rooted, not sure if its a dream or real feeling? Batman's scary, but its somehow at lesser more external that kenshin or battousai's attitude. You just don't get that unique fear injection that battousai gives).

Batman or kenshin, will not be afraid of each other. If they are in the exact same mood of face off, then so long as batman does not get touched, the fight will be a draw. Here's why:

1. when kenshin, battousai charges, ONLY with perfect timing can batman dodge or grappel hook at the last moment.

2. still whatever explosives he launches will never touch kenshin at all. He will move away from all. Also, Kenshin's ki is too strong for anything to affect his state of health or the fight.

3. sooner or later, bat's will get his grappel line sliced. once Bats is grounded, it depends...either a hairs breadth draw or certain semi-coma for bats:

a) if the two are primed, only with total abaondonment of control, will batman be able to match kenshin strike for strike...that too at the limits of his potential, sense of reaction and timing.

b) if batman wavers and kenshin retains focus (and uses the reverse blade), BAtman will be knocked through a brick of walls, the shock wave both breaking his bones and knocking him out hard. Batman will survive, only because of the reverse blade.

{If Batman has his costume, he would win.}
c) Kenshin does not have to slice through Batman to knock him down (although the sword can slice stone like cheese). The power & momentum transferred into the batsuit is enough to shock batman as if he were attacked & break bones if kenshin were mean (which he is not).

The only way Batman can win is: with his gauntlets, twist kenshin's sword away and then beat his around in his vital/soft areas (like kenshin will let him). Still btw:

for Pete's sake, Kenshin, can survive, being chained and flung and slammed onto rocks for minutes at a time, and remain intact, to use his sword. tell me, if that is not tough, what is? His sword strike can crack the earth and send it flying. His jumping height almost 5-6 feet, as high as a bloody full grown tree, and survive the landing.

Batman is fantastic, but he can never do any of these, even if he is at olympic levels, coz kenshin's feats surpass olympic levels by almost 2x!!!

Batman vs Kenshin,Batman will repeatedly survive, because of the reverse blade, but he will never best kenshin in any match.

Batman beating superman is a totally different game. Superman will beat kenshin, not only coz his faster than kenshin, but coz the sword will never penetrate him.
but still: batman (bests) superman and superman (bests) kenshin is not equal to batman (bests) kenshin.
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I am sorry, for those who insist that batman will win, the only person, he'll beat is sanosuke. otherwise, you people are just adamant that batman will win, coz you want to see him win. but it also means, that these people, have little clue as to the power of kenshin himura. It's something, true in the ancient times, but way above the levels of the best in todays world.

Our world elites today, athletically are much like sanosuke's skills scientifically refined and polished -- that's it. its a totally different level to reach the core, let alone the elite warrior's levels of the ancient times. (mind you "the last samurai" movie itself....is an extemely clumsy version of the true samurai engagement in warfare.)

My stand is to look at it fairly. I admire kenshin's functionality, Batman's physical range&technology. but put both here, here was my analysis.

[mano012sg]

Kenshin isn't fast because of his small size, it is because of Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu. And Kaoru isn't such a shallow woman to fall in love with the hunky Batman. If that were the case she wouldn't have married a man who looked like a woman.

Bruce wayne, is not hunky. He is lean and fit and powerful (at human terms). But koaru, is a conservative japanese girl. She loves kenshin and won't see anyone else. its called asian values my friend.

[hippie_hunter]

Bruce wayne, is not hunky. He is lean and fit and powerful (at human terms). But koaru, is a conservative japanese girl. She loves kenshin and won't see anyone else. its called asian values my friend.

That's what I said, she loves Kenshin and would never go for anyone else. And Kenshin is based on a man who looked like a woman and has been compared to a woman.

No matter how much of an athletic, charming, hunky man Bruce Wayne is (yes, in the comics his playboy-esque image gives him a rather hunky reputation, I can't beleive that a guy like me just said that) :(

[Spare-Flair]

Bruce wayne, is not hunky. He is lean and fit and powerful (at human terms). But koaru, is a conservative japanese girl. She loves kenshin and won't see anyone else. its called asian values my friend.

that can also be called xenophobia.

[Jplaya2023]

batman in a swiffer

[mano012sg]

batman in a swiffer
how?
HAve you watched the OVA or Rurouni kenshin anime. The OVA shows kenshin's viciousness....but it deals more with his skill on the ground...almost like his skill alone, with just some speed was neccessary to beat most opponents.

In the anime is when you see the raw speed of kenshin himura and battousai with his techniques. I have observed both very closely many times over. Each time trust me I see something new that refines my point, not refute it. If

Batman were as fast as kenshin, or being as tall or powerful as hiko or almost invisible like amakusa shogo, that would be fantastic don't you think? Why isnt he?

[mano012sg]

that can also be called xenophobia.
xenophobia? why? you must be a western person.
look man...she might admire bruce wayne and be hospitable to him. But asian values insist that you know yourman and remain dedicated to him. it also is more moral. Kenshin, yes he had a second wife. but if tomoe hadnt died he would not have looked at koaru.

btw you do know that asian men have 101 consorts. that is freaking frowned upon and a rebellious act to say the least. it is asian values that they are breaking.

On that part I am not refuting western liberalism. NONO. I embrace both the discipline of Asian values and Western freedom of experssion. But both cultures have mega flaws too.

So no its not koaru's xenophobia. That's for people who are threatened by the revolution. nothin to do with love affairs.

I know because I am an Asian and bask in western liberalisation at the same time.

[Spare-Flair]

xenophobia? why? you must be a western person.
look man...she might admire bruce wayne and be hospitable to him. But asian values insist that you know yourman and remain dedicated to him. it also is more moral. Kenshin, yes he had a second wife. but if tomoe hadnt died he would not have looked at koaru.

btw you do know that asian men have 101 consorts. that is freaking frowned upon and a rebellious act to say the least. it is asian values that they are breaking.

On that part I am not refuting western liberalism. NONO. I embrace both the discipline of Asian values and Western freedom of experssion. But both cultures have mega flaws too.

So no its not koaru's xenophobia. That's for people who are threatened by the revolution. nothin to do with love affairs.

I know because I am an Asian and bask in western liberalisation at the same time.

We are comparing an anime about a red haired little dude voiced by a girl who can kill 50 men by himself...and a comic book about a man who dresses up like a bat at night and fights crime. I think you are taking things a little too seriously. BTW, I'm chinese and have chinese and korean friends living in Japan who are treated differently because they aren't Japanese. It's called Japanese xenophobia, there's no such as universal asian values. I have no idea what you are talking about but I sure wish I had 101 consorts. If you are talking Meijii Period Japan then it makes sense.

In my opinion, Batman simply cannot be defeated by ordinary humans since he is supposed to be the ultimate self-made, peak perfection human being. He is far more intelligent than Kenshin and has studied every form of martial arts available to him. Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu is a fancy technique but it's just a very stylized, speedy move that can be countered by someone not limited to sword play alone. Kenshin has one sword, Batman has two gauntlets to block with and an armored suit that can withstand all the blows as well as a variety of weapons, ropes, and other tools.

Kenshin is a deadly killer, but just Superman, he's a nice guy at heart despite his past. Batman is not a nice guy and wouldn't pull his punches.

[Jplaya2023]

how?
HAve you watched the OVA or Rurouni kenshin anime. The OVA shows kenshin's viciousness....but it deals more with his skill on the ground...almost like his skill alone, with just some speed was neccessary to beat most opponents.

In the anime is when you see the raw speed of kenshin himura and battousai with his techniques. I have observed both very closely many times over. Each time trust me I see something new that refines my point, not refute it. If

Batman were as fast as kenshin, or being as tall or powerful as hiko or almost invisible like amakusa shogo, that would be fantastic don't you think? Why isnt he?

Your new here so i'll explain this once. The protocol around here from real comic fans is spiderman and batman are the GOAT's and they cannot be beat in any type of battle from DC or Marvel or any other anime with the exception of DBZ. U got it. Enjoy your stay on the hype

[mano012sg]

Your new here so i'll explain this once. The protocol around here from real comic fans is spiderman and batman are the GOAT's and they cannot be beat in any type of battle from DC or Marvel or any other anime with the exception of DBZ. U got it. Enjoy your stay on the hype
oh yeah...i got it.

its called 'limited thinnking and being too attached to a paradigm'.
Saying that Batman and Spiderman can never be beat is really wierd. I mean...they can be beat. They barely survive or find ways around it. But if there's a real reason why they wouldnt be beat, its because all of them together fight for the betterment of human kind. why in earth would they fight each other? Truth fully, for die-hard fans...it hurts to see your chracter lose...but MAN!!! while being an honest analyst, you can come up with strategies as to how the chracters may win. (I noe this is wat's being done). But dont just "BATS MUST win becaue he is BATS, Spidey MUST win becaue he is Spidey, Kenshin WILL Lose to Batman, when the latter throws his explosive batarang, even if kenshin is in full powered BAttousai mode, Batman will (best) Amajusa Shogo because he has beat superman" c'mon guys. its fine if its a comic...but I think we can afford to inject some realism in the discussion by considering real analysis, instead of just saying it happens coz that's the purpose of this thread.

I overcame it by realising the cause of my ignorance. I somehow am used to having ranked, since I was 15, and analysed all of DC,Marvel,Japanese prominent characters, Street Fighters...etc interms of how each matches up to the other, strengths, weaknesses. and stuff (unbiased). I also add in a what-if...and compare it with reality (where it counts) and back into fiction. [*note: I have not lost my sense of reality. I can see the realistic aspect and stretched possibilities of things in the comics happening]. So as for samurai X, its key point is the japanese history and the culture (part of it) that I look for in the creators and link it to the characters personification.

Because all comics are created by the people who perceive them in that way and propagand it. Which is why I have no qualms about mix-matching characters and stuff and discussing them for a realistic as well as a comic perspective put together. and btw, bats,kenshin,supes,ninku....been into them for so many years...and am talking about research into their powers, psyche,attitudes, influences....bascially all that the movies have attempted to do with the 21 st century installments, I was doing for >>5 years now.

Hey ok..sorry guys...am not bragging. just felt like shedding some light on my comic background.

[Jplaya2023]

I overcame it by realising the cause of my ignorance.


Yup :up:

[toya thegr8]

Kenshin.

Batman might be intelligent but Kenshin is wiser and physically superior.

[mano012sg]

Kenshin.

Batman might be intelligent but Kenshin is wiser and physically superior.
exactly. Batman...according to DC is the most physically superior peak perfection athlete. Then WHY? is batman only as fast as the best of Olympics?
Kenshin...is a Super Athlete!. Can leap trees, can leap across a gorge, can almost cover the distance of 100m in slightly more than half the time of the best Olympic records--with a heavy sword by his side!

I never seen batman do any of this. Seriously if Batman were at the peak physical and mental condidtioning, he would be 'superhuman' by normal standards. by this i mean...all the feats of the guinness strongmen, martial arts masters, etc...BAt's would have mastered those.

Hiko is definitely all of that. Kenshin has the relevant power, which comes out as speed and '1 swipe taking out 5-6 men'.

If batman were really that 'peak', with his suit and technology...err ok...with the Batman Beyond suit and technology, he would be 20% of superman. He is not. What is really meant by Batman's peak abilities are most probably, peak-perfected skills&tecniques at the level that matches the best of the best world class athletes, martial artists of modern times.

According to Spare-Flair, if batman is the ultimate self made athlete to perfection, why is he only marinally superior to the Olympic best? why is he obviously less powerful than kenshin himura's level of athlete ability and sword power? Seriously, if Batman were such a powerful fighter...he would have little need for his batarangs most of the time..coz he'll just zip his way through and knock his opponents out before they could rightfully aim at him. (remember 'ninku'? something like that) + there would be a little need for his cape at a few stories of buildings, coz he'll be able to take the drop.

Mind you, real ninjas can take 15 ft leaps to a lower ground easily. that's 4m, almost as high as your highway junction signposts. and I am deliberately givving you a lower figure than what I had seen & read about. For Bats to be th best, he should be easily able to take a 6m-8m drop without his cape. only 10 m drops require a cape.

If this seeems ridiculous, then I am telling you this, thsi is true. Batman's been powered only up to Olympic level bests. but one look at the guiness books will tell you, that there are some discrapencies about the truly most capable. Batman for all that he has been potrayed, is probably the best amongst the general human elite. But he is in no way at peak physical and potential.

I would like him to be though, like Hiko Seijurro, but having mastered all the arts he originally did. His fighting style like a combi of the arts as necessary, at the level of ninku. Hey he did go to japan to study from the best masters! (+ this is the comic world).

[Jplaya2023]

exactly. Batman...according to DC is the most physically superior peak perfection athlete. Then WHY? is batman only as fast as the best of Olympics?
Kenshin...is a Super Athlete!. Can leap trees, can leap across a gorge, can almost cover the distance of 100m in slightly more than half the time of the best Olympic records--with a heavy sword by his side!

I never seen batman do any of this. Seriously if Batman were at the peak physical and mental condidtioning, he would be 'superhuman' by normal standards. by this i mean...all the feats of the guinness strongmen, martial arts masters, etc...BAt's would have mastered those.

Hiko is definitely all of that. Kenshin has the relevant power, which comes out as speed and '1 swipe taking out 5-6 men'.

If batman were really that 'peak', with his suit and technology...err ok...with the Batman Beyond suit and technology, he would be 20% of superman. He is not. What is really meant by Batman's peak abilities are most probably, peak-perfected skills&tecniques at the level that matches the best of the best world class athletes, martial artists of modern times.

According to Spare-Flair, if batman is the ultimate self made athlete to perfection, why is he only marinally superior to the Olympic best? why is he obviously less powerful than kenshin himura's level of athlete ability and sword power? Seriously, if Batman were such a powerful fighter...he would have little need for his batarangs most of the time..coz he'll just zip his way through and knock his opponents out before they could rightfully aim at him. (remember 'ninku'? something like that) + there would be a little need for his cape at a few stories of buildings, coz he'll be able to take the drop.

Mind you, real ninjas can take 15 ft leaps to a lower ground easily. that's 4m, almost as high as your highway junction signposts. and I am deliberately givving you a lower figure than what I had seen & read about. For Bats to be th best, he should be easily able to take a 6m-8m drop without his cape. only 10 m drops require a cape.

If this seeems ridiculous, then I am telling you this, thsi is true. Batman's been powered only up to Olympic level bests. but one look at the guiness books will tell you, that there are some discrapencies about the truly most capable. Batman for all that he has been potrayed, is probably the best amongst the general human elite. But he is in no way at peak physical and potential.

I would like him to be though, like Hiko Seijurro, but having mastered all the arts he originally did. His fighting style like a combi of the arts as necessary, at the level of ninku. Hey he did go to japan to study from the best masters! (+ this is the comic world).

I seen batman dodge bullets at point blank range before so whats your point. Batman's battle speed is only matched by flash and maybe superman in DC. Batman has cat like agility and his speed is unmatched by his foes

[Warhammer]

I seen batman dodge bullets at point blank range before so whats your point. Batman's battle speed is only matched by flash and maybe superman in DC. Batman has cat like agility and his speed is unmatched by his foes

Did you serious say Batman is that fast?
Batman is my favorite #1 hero of all, but to say all that is crazy.

[SsM]

are we talking about pre meiji or post meiji kenshin????

Either way.. As much as I love BatMan.......... and It pains me to say this....

Kenshin would probably win... But let me ask you?? WHY would they be fighting?

[mano012sg]

Did you serious say Batman is that fast?
Batman is my favorite #1 hero of all, but to say all that is crazy.
friend: at point blank range dodging a bullet is really good...but a really sharp athelete can do that man...

I seen batman dodge bullets at point blank range before so whats your point. Batman's battle speed is only matched by flash and maybe superman in DC. Batman has cat like agility and his speed is unmatched by his foes

well its a timing thing.

Batman: Miss bullets by the cm fired at him...(i've seen the trailer and the animated series too). great job.

(However)

Kenshin: you fire a bullet at him, he dodges (batman's distance from the weapon), and stands behind the shooter before as the second bullet is being fired at where kenshin previously stood. The fella can freakin block a bullet long distance with his sheath, while being half distracted in battle.

I mean: comic batman is slower than real life Bruce Lee! batman telegraphs ALL of his movements, has only three real combatative weapons: stealth, brute strength that kick machines down, and dodging & diving like a kickboxer. Really despite what has been claimed about his prowness, i havent seen any fight designer design covincing batman battles that show of his combatative prowness. Maybe they should learn from japanese animation how to do it.

I love batman especially the character and his supposed abilities, the style he's potrayed in from the BTAS to BB movie to 'The Batman'. but still, as he being a master,....i freaking expect a lot lot lot more from his character and abilities to be potrayed.

Clearly jplaya has not seen even rurouni kenshin. if he has...then "BATMAN WINS ALWAYS BECAUSE ITS A BATMAN THREAD"...have that mindset...go ahead, but dont bother rebutting me. this is for the others who understand what I am talking about.

[mano012sg]

are we talking about pre meiji or post meiji kenshin????

Either way.. As much as I love BatMan.......... and It pains me to say this....

Kenshin would probably win... But let me ask you?? WHY would they be fighting?
Batman would be fighting at his fullest potential and just managing to hold his own. that is damn tiring lemme tell you. for kenshin it will be like fighting (the guy in the first OVA where in the beginning he fights with battousai, who leaps up into the tree and slashes [the guy] straight through). except, that BAtman will move out of the way.

I mean for batman, he will survive, definitely, by a hair's breadth each time.
every attack he unleashes at kenshin, will be dodged easily, unless its point blank...but batman will definitely be hurt too, badly.

Ultimately, both will respect each other for their ideals and [Batman's] staying power and probably, batman will learn a few good tricks from kenshin, which will improve his crime-fighting prowness.

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As to why they may be fighting: probably because Batman travels back in time to Japan, based on some bad rumours (like in the superman animated series). The fight will be something like the one btw kenshin and sano (in the consulate's house garden).

[mano012sg]

Your new here so i'll explain this once. The protocol around here from real comic fans is spiderman and batman are the GOAT's and they cannot be beat in any type of battle from DC or Marvel or any other anime with the exception of DBZ. U got it. Enjoy your stay on the hype

so you open this thread so that only batman will win kenshin, no matter what. and you are looking for suggestions as to how batman can beat kenshin, and nothing else right?

What are you? on some kinda crusade that only batman can win no matter what. The pleasure in life is acceptin the truth and enjoying the process.

I wouldn't call such people 'real comic fans'. I would call them 'die-hard fanatics'. hasnt the world seen enough fanatics already? stop bringing it into comics too please.

[Jplaya2023]

Batman would be fighting at his fullest potential and just managing to hold his own.

Batman never fights anyone "all out" he would kill them instantly. Like spider-man they both hold back during fights for fear what might happen to their opponent if they take it to far. Why dont you tell me some epiosde numbers to DL from the ryu kenshin program or whatever its called.

[mano012sg]

Batman never fights anyone "all out" he would kill them instantly. Like spider-man they both hold back during fights for fear what might happen to their opponent if they take it to far. Why dont you tell me some epiosde numbers to DL from the ryu kenshin program or whatever its called.
see you dont care one bit about kenshin's program....can't even get the name right.

Ok say whatever you want. I ain't gonna waste my time justifiyn things to you.

My posts are for those who know both intimately well.

[Jplaya2023]

see you dont care one bit about kenshin's program....can't even get the name right.

Ok say whatever you want. I ain't gonna waste my time justifiyn things to you.

My posts are for those who know both intimately well.

Tell me some episodes to DL

[SsM]

Cough**rurouni**cough** Wanderin samurai - first season
Legend of Kyoto - Second and Best season
Tales of the Meiji -Third season

[Jplaya2023]

Cough**rurouni**cough** Wanderin samurai - first season
Legend of Kyoto - Second and Best season
Tales of the Meiji -Third season

upload these eps

[penguin55]

all of this kenshin stuff is making me sick we all know that batman is going to win

[Warhammer]

friend: at point blank range dodging a bullet is really good...but a really sharp athelete can do that man...

Ok, We humans can dodge a bullet from point blank range. :rolleyes:
Can we fly also?

:confused: :)

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman, I see Deathstroke or Cassandra Cain as being equal to Kenshin, and Batman has shown he can take them on. Plus Kenshin is far less strong and probably not as good a tactician.

[mano012sg]

Ok, We humans can dodge a bullet from point blank range. :rolleyes:
Can we fly also?

:confused: :)
yes buddy...with a hand gun...its entirely possible to easily dodge a shot at up to an arms length or two(if you are really precise). most people dont realise it...coz they freeze stiff and tight when a gun if pointed at them. Heck..with the righttiming you can disarm the fellow when his attention off (but you must a really observant person, to spot the distraction in the other person).

Fly? no..but the closest thing is a chinese practice known as qinggong. unfortunately these are ancient skills of the martial arts...very few people have studied its actual methods...all thats left is theory.

[Spare-Flair]

In the end, Batman is just as fast and 3-4 time stronger than Kenshin and more skilled and disciplined.

Kenshin is emotionally a really messed up guy from his history and is generally laid back and relying on his skills from his old days. Batman is constantly training everyday and perfecting his skills and abilities.

[SsM]

In the end, Batman is just as fast and 3-4 time stronger than Kenshin and more skilled and disciplined.

Kenshin is emotionally a really messed up guy from his history and is generally laid back and relying on his skills from his old days. Batman is constantly training everyday and perfecting his skills and abilities. are you trying to say that Batman is not an emotionally messed up guy? :confused::confused::confused:

[Speedball]

Batman has been trained in more fighting forms and can use almost any weapon efficiently. He's defeated Ra's Al Ghul in swordfights, which is near imposible because Ra's has trained in swordfighting for centuries. Batman's IQ is also much higher than the majority of the Population. Bruce could predict Kenshin's moves like every other person he's ever fought.

[hulkamania85]

Batman just has too many contingency plans. He's probably spent a lonely night thinking about what would happen if he met up with an anime character.

[Finn Mac Cool]

When talking about a Kenshin vs. Batman fight, I want to clarify two things. First off, versus competitions, as I usually understand them, do not involve the participants having days/weeks/months to prepare. This means Batman doesn’t get to study Kenshin, develop a specific strategy and/or gadget to defeat him, and then strike with it while Kenshin is unawares. Second, I’m assuming that, during the fight, Batman is not using his Batmobile or any other Bat-vehicle (in such a fight, I honestly have no idea, as I don’t believe Kenshin has ever fought that sort of threat before). Basically, it’s Kenshin and Batman suddenly finding themselves on neutral territory with only the weapons they usually carry on them, so Kenshin has his reverse-blade sword and Batman has his utility belt, and they suddenly are compelled to attack each other. In this sort of competition, Kenshin is the hands down winner.

This isn’t meant to disparage Batman. He is indeed at the peak of physical training and martial arts capability. The problem Batman has is that, at least in all the versions I’ve seen, his abilities are kept within the realm of possibility. The feats Batman performs might be highly, even absurdly, unlikely, but it isn’t entirely inconceivable that someone in real life could do the same thing. Kenshin, however, is base upon the storytelling style where being a martial arts expert is the equivalent of being superhuman. No human being anywhere, ever could even come close to matching some of the physical feats Kenshin performs. In terms of speed, Kenshin far surpasses Batman. Batman’s reflexes may be quick, but Kenshin has not only been able to dodge bullets, in his battles against Soujiro and Jine, he charged at his opponent so fast that he became invisible to the human eye, and one of his attacks involves moving his sword so fast that it is literally in nine different places at once. In strength, Kenshin again is far out of Batman’s league. Let’s say Batman swings down at a bad guy via grapling hook and hits him with a powerful kick/hit combo. The versions of Batman I’m familiar with would, with this attack, send the enemy flying backwards about twenty feet and crashing through a brick wall. In his fight against Shishio, Kenshin’s attack was so powerful that Shishio was not only sent sailing back twenty feet, but he was thrown back at such speed that the ground shattered as he passed over it, and, when he hit a stone wall, Shishio wasn’t just thrown through it, he left a hole in the wall big enough to drive a truck through. And that attack wasn’t even Kenshin’s most powerful attack. Batman does have an edge in versatility, knowing many different fighting styles for a number of different weapons and situations, but, against someone who has mastered one style to the superhuman degree Kenshin has, this doesn’t help much. I would say that Batman has a strategical/deductive edge, but the gap between him and Kenshin isn’t as great as many would believe. Afterall, when blinded Kenshin was able to run across rocky terrain by using the sounds of other people’s breathing and footsteps, and he is also able to deduce much about an opponent’s psychology simply by exchanging a few blows with them. And, in the end, in this sort of straightforward fight, strength and speed are the most important factors, and there Kenshin is just all out superior to Batman.

I imagine the battle would start off with Batman throwing some batarangs/gas pellets/grenades, which Kenshin would easily deflect by drawing his sword, causing a gust of air that would knock all the projectiles back (he has done this before the deflect throwing knives and even to knock opponents unconscious). Kenshin would then charge at Batman. Now, maybe Batman could escape from the first attack, and maybe he could get away from the second one with nothing more than a graze, but by the time Kenshin attacks for the third time, there is no way that Batman has had enough time to readjust himself to evade it. And, as soon as he’s hit by Kenshin, Batman is done for. Remember, Kenshin’s sword style is designed to defeat opponents with a single blow; only superhumanly powerful people like Sanouske or Aoshi can take one of Kenshin’s attacks and still be standing. I described in detail one of the attacks Kenshin used against Shishio above; if Kenshin hit Batman with even a tenth of the power he used there, Batman would be out of the fight and lucky if he managed to come out of it without permanent injury.

This isn’t meant to bash Batman. I personally think Batman’s great. However, unless there’s a comic book called Crouching Bat, Hidden Robin I’m not aware of, Batman is simply governed by more realistic rules of human limits, while Kenshin follows the ancient Asian philosophy that enough training in the martial arts can virtually turn a human being into a god.

[Jplaya2023]

When talking about a Kenshin vs. Batman fight, I want to clarify two things. First off, versus competitions, as I usually understand them, do not involve the participants having days/weeks/months to prepare. This means Batman doesn’t get to study Kenshin, develop a specific strategy and/or gadget to defeat him,.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE!!!! Batman got all the time he want stop plea coppin

[Finn Mac Cool]

Batman got all the time he want stop plea coppin

If you allow for an unlimited amount of prep time, then almost any character could beat almost any other character. Theoretically, even someone with minimal intelligence and no real skills could spend several decades forming alliances with terrorist organizations, drug cartels, and the like, until he gets his hands on a nuclear weapon and blow up Gotham in order to kill Batman. Prep time takes a lot of the point out of versus fights.

[cjhill_14]

batman would win,the only thing that kenshin got over batman is his speed but batman beat superman many time and superman has godlike speed.

[hippie_hunter]

how?
HAve you watched the OVA or Rurouni kenshin anime. The OVA shows kenshin's viciousness....but it deals more with his skill on the ground...almost like his skill alone, with just some speed was neccessary to beat most opponents.

In the anime is when you see the raw speed of kenshin himura and battousai with his techniques. I have observed both very closely many times over. Each time trust me I see something new that refines my point, not refute it. If

Batman were as fast as kenshin, or being as tall or powerful as hiko or almost invisible like amakusa shogo, that would be fantastic don't you think? Why isnt he?

I would ignore the OVA for Kenshin's power. The OVA put Kenshin's abilities in a much more realistic perspective than the anime and manga.

[hippie_hunter]

1. when kenshin, battousai charges, ONLY with perfect timing can batman dodge or grappel hook at the last moment.
There is no more Hitokiri Battosai. Kenshin overcame Battosai and became more powerful than Battosai during the Kyoto arc

2. still whatever explosives he launches will never touch kenshin at all. He will move away from all. Also, Kenshin's ki is too strong for anything to affect his state of health or the fight.
Hence why Kenshin was taken down by Shishio's Guren Kaina



I am sorry, for those who insist that batman will win, the only person, he'll beat is sanosuke. otherwise, you people are just adamant that batman will win, coz you want to see him win. but it also means, that these people, have little clue as to the power of kenshin himura. It's something, true in the ancient times, but way above the levels of the best in todays world.
I think the only people that would beat Batman from the Kenshin universe are Hiko and Shishio.

[hippie_hunter]

so you open this thread so that only batman will win kenshin, no matter what. and you are looking for suggestions as to how batman can beat kenshin, and nothing else right?

What are you? on some kinda crusade that only batman can win no matter what. The pleasure in life is acceptin the truth and enjoying the process.

I wouldn't call such people 'real comic fans'. I would call them 'die-hard fanatics'. hasnt the world seen enough fanatics already? stop bringing it into comics too please.

Ignore jplaya. He's just an ass.

[hippie_hunter]

batman would win,the only thing that kenshin got over batman is his speed but batman beat superman many time and superman has godlike speed.

Batman has never beaten Superman.

In Hush, he did what he did so he could manage to survive while Catwoman was springing his plan to break him free from his control.

The Dark Knight Returns is not in continuity.

As a matter in fact, Batman was creamed by Superman in the OMAC Project/Sacrifice.

[Shadow_Knight]

Batman.

[Super_Child]

These vs threads are quite funny actually, whenever you feel down just come along to the anime manga forum for a load of stupid comedy.

[hippie_hunter]

These vs threads are quite funny actually, whenever you feel down just come along to the anime manga forum for a load of stupid comedy.

This was like the only civil vs. thread and the only one that had a debate until jplaya came along :o

[mano012sg]

When talking about a Kenshin vs. Batman fight, I want to clarify two things. First off, versus competitions, as I usually understand them, do not involve the participants having days/weeks/months to prepare. This means Batman doesn’t get to study Kenshin, develop a specific strategy and/or gadget to defeat him, and then strike with it while Kenshin is unawares. Second, I’m assuming that, during the fight, Batman is not using his Batmobile or any other Bat-vehicle (in such a fight, I honestly have no idea, as I don’t believe Kenshin has ever fought that sort of threat before). Basically, it’s Kenshin and Batman suddenly finding themselves on neutral territory with only the weapons they usually carry on them, so Kenshin has his reverse-blade sword and Batman has his utility belt, and they suddenly are compelled to attack each other. In this sort of competition, Kenshin is the hands down winner.

This isn’t meant to disparage Batman. He is indeed at the peak of physical training and martial arts capability. The problem Batman has is that, at least in all the versions I’ve seen, his abilities are kept within the realm of possibility. The feats Batman performs might be highly, even absurdly, unlikely, but it isn’t entirely inconceivable that someone in real life could do the same thing. Kenshin, however, is base upon the storytelling style where being a martial arts expert is the equivalent of being superhuman. No human being anywhere, ever could even come close to matching some of the physical feats Kenshin performs. In terms of speed, Kenshin far surpasses Batman. Batman’s reflexes may be quick, but Kenshin has not only been able to dodge bullets, in his battles against Soujiro and Jine, he charged at his opponent so fast that he became invisible to the human eye, and one of his attacks involves moving his sword so fast that it is literally in nine different places at once. In strength, Kenshin again is far out of Batman’s league. Let’s say Batman swings down at a bad guy via grapling hook and hits him with a powerful kick/hit combo. The versions of Batman I’m familiar with would, with this attack, send the enemy flying backwards about twenty feet and crashing through a brick wall. In his fight against Shishio, Kenshin’s attack was so powerful that Shishio was not only sent sailing back twenty feet, but he was thrown back at such speed that the ground shattered as he passed over it, and, when he hit a stone wall, Shishio wasn’t just thrown through it, he left a hole in the wall big enough to drive a truck through. And that attack wasn’t even Kenshin’s most powerful attack. Batman does have an edge in versatility, knowing many different fighting styles for a number of different weapons and situations, but, against someone who has mastered one style to the superhuman degree Kenshin has, this doesn’t help much. I would say that Batman has a strategical/deductive edge, but the gap between him and Kenshin isn’t as great as many would believe. Afterall, when blinded Kenshin was able to run across rocky terrain by using the sounds of other people’s breathing and footsteps, and he is also able to deduce much about an opponent’s psychology simply by exchanging a few blows with them. And, in the end, in this sort of straightforward fight, strength and speed are the most important factors, and there Kenshin is just all out superior to Batman.

I imagine the battle would start off with Batman throwing some batarangs/gas pellets/grenades, which Kenshin would easily deflect by drawing his sword, causing a gust of air that would knock all the projectiles back (he has done this before the deflect throwing knives and even to knock opponents unconscious). Kenshin would then charge at Batman. Now, maybe Batman could escape from the first attack, and maybe he could get away from the second one with nothing more than a graze, but by the time Kenshin attacks for the third time, there is no way that Batman has had enough time to readjust himself to evade it. And, as soon as he’s hit by Kenshin, Batman is done for. Remember, Kenshin’s sword style is designed to defeat opponents with a single blow; only superhumanly powerful people like Sanouske or Aoshi can take one of Kenshin’s attacks and still be standing. I described in detail one of the attacks Kenshin used against Shishio above; if Kenshin hit Batman with even a tenth of the power he used there, Batman would be out of the fight and lucky if he managed to come out of it without permanent injury.

This isn’t meant to bash Batman. I personally think Batman’s great. However, unless there’s a comic book called Crouching Bat, Hidden Robin I’m not aware of, Batman is simply governed by more realistic rules of human limits, while Kenshin follows the ancient Asian philosophy that enough training in the martial arts can virtually turn a human being into a god.
right on the mark buddy.

But at last I just wanna clarify some things. Have you done Martial arts, like kung fu or tai chi chuan?

A study of Qinggong will reveal to you how kenshin's level of fitness and speed and everything are entirely possible. true they may make the top list of "RIPLEY'S BELIEVE IT OR NOT", or under "supernatural people" or "guiness book of records". but Kenshin's feats are actually not impossible. only, in modern times, these skills and resources are not available to us, and we dont actually find a use for them thanks to technology.

I mean, why leap across a gorge, when you can fly-fox across? that's today's attiitde.

but look at modern day bruce lee, and then what little we know about shaolin monks & ninjas and compare them with the 'real' possibilites of what these warriors would have been like in ancient times at their best---it WAS about survival!!!. Now Kenshin/Battousai, was the BEST. even as kenshin, he's that way.
As battousai, he's wow.... lately as even beyond both 'battousai' and 'kenshin of the old'?

So in terms of possibility of ability: you get the idea. point being himura and even hiko's abilities are not absolutely impossible. just on the extreme edge of a warriors mastery of his skills and fitness.