View Full Version : Will You Want Ratner To Do X4?
Destiny Is Near
05-26-2006, 06:54 PM
if an X4 comes alive, would u mind him directing again? would u want Singer back after he jumped ship to DC? would u want a fresh face?
gap5ewl
05-26-2006, 07:04 PM
yes he knows the x-men and with more creative imput and freedom, he could make one hell of an x-men movie!
Destiny Is Near
05-26-2006, 07:13 PM
if he makes another, it better be LONG, i dont care if people cry cuz its long, this series along with a select few desearve to go over 130mins.
and more depth with charactors, i want more Angel,more colossus, bring Gambit in, make Nightcrawler become a little darker, i want Wolverine to stab 500 people again, i want Sabertooth back, most importantly, i want to be Avalanche dammit, Brett cast me!:up:
aaron
05-26-2006, 07:25 PM
I definitely dont want him making x4
joss whedon!!!
Lazlo Panaflex
05-26-2006, 07:32 PM
I don't care who directs as long as it's good.
GoldGoblin
05-26-2006, 09:18 PM
Yes,I want Ratner to make X-4.
deathshead2
05-26-2006, 09:21 PM
Heck no my inner child died inside after seeing x-3.:( that and I want to see my Rush Hour 3 now thats where Ratner needs to be.
Mr. Socko
05-26-2006, 10:25 PM
Ok, sure. Wouldn't bother me if he came back.
Super Flight
05-26-2006, 11:05 PM
i dont want them to make x4, i'd rather have them finish wolverine and magneto, then have a fresh start
jdreturns
05-26-2006, 11:22 PM
i dont want them to make x4, i'd rather have them finish wolverine and magneto, then have a fresh start
If that happens, we'll never see Gambit in an X-Men Movie.:(
It'll be the same story as the last trilogy, "we have no room for him", "he's too important of a character for a cameo".
Also, it sucks that some people fail to realize that the X-Verse is bigger than Wolverine, Xavier, Storm, Cyclops, Phoenix and Magneto. There are so many great characters and storylines that we still haven't seen in the movies. I don't get why people are so opposed against X4.
The Hurricane
05-26-2006, 11:23 PM
Preferably Singer but if not him then Ratner
RangerKing
05-26-2006, 11:28 PM
Ratner did a very good job and I think with what they have done in X3, Ratner should continue it into X4.
Meridx
05-26-2006, 11:57 PM
Ratner did a very good job and I think with what they have done in X3, Ratner should continue it into X4.
I agree, even though it wasn't completely from the comics, I think he did a good job with what he had. Since Singer switched...he's dead to me now...:(
GoldGoblin
05-26-2006, 11:59 PM
If that happens, we'll never see Gambit in an X-Men Movie.:(
It'll be the same story as the last trilogy, "we have no room for him", "he's too important of a character for a cameo".
Also, it sucks that some people fail to realize that the X-Verse is bigger than Wolverine, Xavier, Storm, Cyclops, Phoenix and Magneto. There are so many great characters and storylines that we still haven't seen in the movies. I don't get why people are so opposed against X4.
^Exactly:up: :up:
L0ngsh0t
05-27-2006, 12:02 AM
I think if the movie does well enough at the box, i think it would be only fair to let him do X4, I enjoyed X3 so i would like it as well
PunisherParker
05-27-2006, 02:18 AM
i think he did a nice job so i wouldnt mind him doing another. but more length would be nice.
Spider-Fan
05-27-2006, 09:11 AM
I think he did a nice job with this movie, and I would like to see what he would do with it.
halfapple
05-27-2006, 10:43 AM
Re: Will You Want Ratner To Do X4?
reply: NO.
halfapple
05-27-2006, 10:44 AM
Ratner on a Party Film or Race Car movie -- sure.
sonicphoto
05-27-2006, 11:50 AM
They say that the last scene after the credits is open for a future X-men 4 but only if it gets the enough box office. Which is what they said and it already got on one day 44.5 millions so most likely we will see it coming. If only Ratner makes something about Cyclops and fix the messes up stuff he did on X3. But Singer really did better tough.
Bruce Logan
05-27-2006, 11:51 AM
yes he knows the x-men and with more creative imput and freedom, he could make one hell of an x-men movie!
For somebody who knows the comics, he made some odd choices like Psylocke the villain and Callisto having Quicksilver's power.
MJayX
05-27-2006, 12:00 PM
NO NO NO Ratner. He is the reason behind all of the flaws with this movie. Read his Cannes interviews in Variety and on TheXVerse. His ADD, his penchant for popcorn fair, his desire to "put his mark" on the franchise (because he tried to make the last one like Singer) will kill this franchise.
Just because Batman Forever made more money than the first two didn't mean that Warners should've had Shumacher make the fourth one. And the same is true here.
Nathan
05-27-2006, 12:03 PM
After the mess the was X3, heck no.
Karea07
05-27-2006, 12:56 PM
Yes
Mr. Sinister05
05-27-2006, 10:28 PM
The x-men franchise has pretty much come to a halt which is pretty depressing. It's the studio's fault for holding off on the film for so long and suddenly deciding to go into rush mode at the last minute. However, I still don't want Ratner to be the main director of any more
X-men related pics (didn't like the fact that he catered it for people with short attention). While the promotional pics that were made for the film were outstanding, the movie's pacing was too hodge podge and there was no good character development.
Nightwing 007
05-27-2006, 11:00 PM
No.
PWN3R
05-27-2006, 11:04 PM
Considering what he had to work with, and how he had to work with it, he did a pretty good job.
Would I want him back?? um....:D
BobJM
05-27-2006, 11:39 PM
Given the short amount of time, Ratner did a great job. Do I want him back...I don't really know. This movie was great, but it could have been so much better. Ratner can make a longer movie...maybe its not so much the director, but the writers...
L0ngsh0t
05-28-2006, 12:39 AM
NO NO NO Ratner. He is the reason behind all of the flaws with this movie. Read his Cannes interviews in Variety and on TheXVerse. His ADD, his penchant for popcorn fair, his desire to "put his mark" on the franchise (because he tried to make the last one like Singer) will kill this franchise.
Just because Batman Forever made more money than the first two didn't mean that Warners should've had Shumacher make the fourth one. And the same is true here.
what flaws? the penchant for popcorn fair is what many people who didn't like the acting or story is the saving grace...THE ACTION was by far the best(of the three), and that is the popcorn fair you speak of...
and get this that ADD works...there is a reason they have said they're aren't that many deleated scenes for a movie that seems to be so cut up..because that is how it was wrote
there is little need for back story because if you watch the first two movies that is backstory, this movie just goes, they have been setting this war up from day one, what are magneto's last words in X1, He plays Soothsayer to charles warnning him about the war
the reason rouges story was so short-what else needs to be explained? you know she has been dealing with her powers since the first frame of X1, you don't need to know anymore, X2 sets up the relationship problems with bobby that pay off when he and kitty are ice skatting and holding hands
this movie has that ADD, because it can, the questions get asked in 1 and 2 and get answered in 3
my preference would for it to be longer, but it also works the way it is too
considering this movie has to at least make 250 million (i would think) to garner a sequel, if it can get that much i think it would only be fair to give it to ratner again
Sony23
05-28-2006, 02:18 AM
Hell no
Wolverine85
05-28-2006, 03:12 AM
Either one is fine with me, but I don't want to see a new person just because it was pretty obvious Ratner has a different style than Singer. I don't want to see different style after different style in every movie they make.
cronosred
05-28-2006, 03:28 AM
I would love for him to do X-men 4. My hopes would be that they really try hard to focus on other X-men other than Wolverine, that they have a new villian, and Rogue gets her powers back including flight and superstrength so she can finaly kick butt.
GuestStar2004
05-28-2006, 07:54 AM
and Rogue gets her powers back including flight and superstrength so she can finaly kick butt.
ah but Halle Berry will Get jealous
grey_jeanie
05-28-2006, 07:55 AM
no. I want Singer (and Jean and Scott but that ain't going to happen)
GuestStar2004
05-28-2006, 08:17 AM
would singer want too carry on from X3 after all the changes that has happened!?
As for choosing a totally different director too ratner, i don't know if i like the idea of some one like Joss whedon making X4, as it sounded like when he was attached too the project his idea for X3 was to kill Most of the charactors Off For big impact! More or less Like the X3 we have now! :down , i don't know i can see whedons X4 being everyone being killed with just woverine and storm (if she is lucky) being the only survivors at the end...:marv:
coyoon
06-02-2006, 04:14 AM
Ratner for x4?! HAYELLLLLLLLL NOOOOOO!!! ratner = corny cliche directing and horrible decision making!!! how can you kill off the leader of the xmen? both of them? cure the most powerful mutant in the universe...and make wolverine a melodramatic ******...sorry ratner was horrible...bring back any body but him PLEASE
Nell2ThaIzzay
06-02-2006, 04:20 AM
IF there is a 4th (and let me reitterate that I hope there isn't), then I hope it's Singer or Ratner.
I don't want a whole bunch of different takes on the X-Men. I want the series of movies to all feel connected, and I don't think that will happen with a new face everytime out. X-Men: The Last Stand felt different enough as it was from X-Men and X2, and that was Ratner trying to remain faithful to the first 2.
So I'd be hoping for Singer or Ratner. the major deviations in this film weren't Ratner's fault, as they were made long before he was involved. So I don't blame him. Just hopefully, if he does have another shot at it, he can pace it a little better this time out, and not make it all ADD and ****.
ISHMAEL
06-02-2006, 04:32 AM
Ratner did a very good job and I think with what they have done in X3, Ratner should continue it into X4.
yeah the only thing was it got rushed because of switching of the dam directors
Havana
06-02-2006, 09:15 AM
I'd like to see Josh Whedon given a chance to direct. Ratner is probably on the fast track to direct another one. X3 has been doing record business worldwide and Fox is surely totally pissed at Singer for jumping ship. From the studio point of view, money is all that really matters. If Ratner can deliver a mega-blockbuster then who needs Singer?
phoenix_force
06-02-2006, 10:09 AM
I Want Peter Jackson!
blind_fury
06-02-2006, 10:13 AM
my top picks
1. David Fincher
2. James Cameron
3. Brett Ratner
I've seen enough of Singer's vision.
Put spielberg on it and just forget about these summer flick directors.
The Batman
06-02-2006, 11:17 AM
No. I dont want Singer either. we need someone who does characters AND action, who respects the X-Men comics.
Drago
06-08-2006, 06:21 PM
I Want Peter Jackson!
I used to love Peter Jackson.. not so much anymore though. Love the Frighteners and Lord of the Rings, but I thought Fellowship had the best character based moments, whereas the others ended up being a ton of CG battles that were harder to get attached to. Was a bit dissapointed with Kong too... Isn't he rumored to be doing Halo? I think I heard both him and Guillermo del Toro being involved (maybe Jackson producing?)
X4? I say go Ratner
Spawn187
06-08-2006, 09:54 PM
Hell Yeah!!!!!!
EAT SNACKY SMORES.....
Gilpesh
06-08-2006, 10:06 PM
No Ratner
No Singer
Iceman
06-08-2006, 10:15 PM
Ratner can do the action and hire Singer to do the character scenes. Get one of the big boys to direct this pair and you'll have a good combo.
Dr. Fate
06-08-2006, 10:17 PM
I thought Brett Ratner said he was only doing the one X-Men film and then that would be it for him.
Drago
06-08-2006, 11:14 PM
I think X4 should be given to either Ratner or Singer (but Singer's on his Superman fix for a few more years). I say Ratner, just because he'll be given more freedom- I doubt he'll turn it into a campy piece of trash, and I'd rather hand it to him than a first-time x-director that will be on a short leash held by FOX
Octoberist
06-09-2006, 03:03 AM
I think Ratner should direct X4, and make every other shot inconsitent for fun..like what he did with the Bridge scene (one shot day..the next cut night). Moron!
snowball_83
06-09-2006, 05:18 AM
i'd like him or singer to direct it equally. if ratner did it however, he needs to slow down the pace a bit, that's all.
thegameq
06-09-2006, 12:24 PM
No! Bring in a real director, not a generic director. Better still just let the trilogy end as is so that we can begin to move past it and hope for a reboot in 10 to 15.
Neptune
06-10-2006, 09:42 AM
i'd rather have Singer for X-4.
ISHMAEL
06-10-2006, 02:10 PM
I Want Peter Jackson!
he would be perfect
Spoarz™
06-10-2006, 02:13 PM
I wouldn't mind him returning, as long as he doesn't treat Cyclops like s**t again :mad:
Sun_Down
06-10-2006, 05:57 PM
I'm not sure if I'd want him back or not. He did a good job with what was given to him (rushed schedule, questionable writing, etc.), but it's hard to ignore how much more dumbed-down X3 was. But again, I dunno if he's to blame. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
Thirteen Shadows
06-10-2006, 06:45 PM
I would want Ratner on X4 only if Fox would give him a proper schedual this time and give him more creative freedom.
captain_jimbo
06-11-2006, 11:38 AM
I wouldn't mind him returning, as long as he doesn't treat Cyclops like s**t again :mad:
Couldn't agree more! :up:
No more Ratner's AD/HD X-Men.
Emma718
06-11-2006, 07:40 PM
For somebody who knows the comics, he made some odd choices like Psylocke the villain and Callisto having Quicksilver's power.
i know that was weird..i rather if they had quicksilver himself in it and avalance maybe to
Mr. Marko
06-12-2006, 04:07 AM
Not a fricking chance! I put my trust in Ratner...they had an amazing plot, tons of potential, and he cut out some of the most important parts and angles of the story. He barely touched on Beast's so called "conflict" with the cure, he barely even touched Cyclops, and he...augh...he just killed a potentially awesome movie. Singer would have made X3 the best of them all, because he would have seen the amazing potential for character development...not the potential to blow people with effects. Ratner...I am betrayed. That is all I have to say to you. Haha. But really, he sucks.
EnSabahNur
06-12-2006, 06:32 AM
It's not Rattners fault alot of people disliked X3. Heck those action scenes were amazing and alot of the acting was quite well. I say make Rattner the director. With more freedom he can put together an amazing movie. Rattner knows X-men very well and I trust him to make X4 a master piece.
mannyo80
06-12-2006, 06:40 AM
if u support Brett please go to http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?xmen456
He has this website and has viewed it
CapBeerCino
06-12-2006, 07:22 AM
No.
Angamb
06-12-2006, 08:07 AM
I'm not sure what to say. I mean, if Ratner would do a more serious film, I'll say yes, but I don't want a new X3, with that sense of humour, bad lines, etc. If Bryan would come back, it would be perfect, but this is almost impossible. So maybe a new director, like Joss, why not? He has astonishing, and I think could do a good sequel.
CB Fan
06-12-2006, 11:34 AM
To me ratner did a better job than singer, so yeah i say bring him back and like alot have said with more time the movie would be amazing!
iceberg325
06-12-2006, 12:06 PM
I wouldnt mind Ratner doing it again. Heres some news folks:
X3 WASNT THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ISHMAEL
06-12-2006, 02:15 PM
I wouldnt mind Ratner doing it again. Heres some news folks:
X3 WASNT THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is true he actually made evryone fight something singer would never do he liked having them do something rather than fighting
ISHMAEL
06-12-2006, 02:15 PM
I wouldnt mind Ratner doing it again. Heres some news folks:
X3 WASNT THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dam double post that is true he actually made evryone fight something singer would never do he liked having them do something rather than fighting
Cyclops
06-12-2006, 03:16 PM
I wouldnt mind Ratner doing it again. Heres some news folks:
X3 WASNT THAT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsflash: YES IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Image
06-12-2006, 03:51 PM
It Was Ok! Image!
iceberg325
06-13-2006, 06:52 AM
Newsflash: YES IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol.
HughJackFan420
06-13-2006, 02:40 PM
Ratner could do it again but i hope they go in depth as far as the story of X Men the video game. At least have some flashbacks. i know this would make the movie longer but i loved what i saw in the game as far as the story. the gameplay has no replay value and its very repetitive but the concepts of the Sentinels is exactly how imagined it would be in the movie. with their deep robotic voices saying something like "mutant acquired" or "target acquired" "codename is Wolverine" i seriously hope they put the Sentinels in the next movie.
Lactose
06-13-2006, 02:56 PM
Dear Jim,
Please could you fix it for me have Brian Singer back.
Thankyou.
Lactose the Intollerent
P.S. - My mum says you were great on Top of the Pops.
body_crumbles
06-14-2006, 12:10 AM
I want Singer back. X2 is still the best movie out of all three of them...
Ratner did a good job, but he threw in too much for such a little amount of time given. He messed up the characters that Singer had and I miss that. Do I need mention the campy dialogue some of them had?
Now that Singer is done with Superman, hopefully he can focus on the X-Men. :( Silly FOX and their rushing things... That's why X3 was a mess.
Good action movie and gorgeous graphics, but the story was a lot weaker than the previous two.
iceberg325
06-14-2006, 06:56 AM
I want Singer back. X2 is still the best movie out of all three of them...
Ratner did a good job, but he threw in too much for such a little amount of time given. He messed up the characters that Singer had and I miss that. Do I need mention the campy dialogue some of them had?
Now that Singer is done with Superman, hopefully he can focus on the X-Men. :( Silly FOX and their rushing things... That's why X3 was a mess.
Good action movie and gorgeous graphics, but the story was a lot weaker than the previous two.
X3 wasnt that bad!!! lol
RobinluvsBabs
06-14-2006, 11:57 PM
yes he knows the x-men and with more creative imput and freedom, he could make one hell of an x-men movie!YES EXACTLY DEFINITLEY WANT RATNER BACK! HE KNOWS HOW TO mAKE AN AWESOME X-MOVIE!!
WorthyStevens
06-15-2006, 12:07 AM
I want Singer back. X2 is still the best movie out of all three of them...
Ratner did a good job, but he threw in too much for such a little amount of time given. He messed up the characters that Singer had and I miss that. Do I need mention the campy dialogue some of them had?
That's all courtesy of the screenwriters. Not Ratner.
Gilpesh
06-15-2006, 12:19 AM
nah your just a loser:o it was a great film and makes singers films look even More Like the Peices of **** they were to begin with.
Hi troll, how's it going?
Gilpesh
06-15-2006, 12:25 AM
hi moron, Ratner's film POWNS, both of singer's, get over yourself.:down
Well we now who X3 was aimed at. People who cannot even get the word 'pwns' right.
RobinluvsBabs
06-15-2006, 12:26 AM
:rolleyes:I'm guessing you're 13-14 years old?
Yet his films received a lot more positive reviews from both fans and critics.
BTW, it's pwn not powns. :rolleyes:yeah ok ebet and roper Loved x3 and gave two thumbs down to x1 get over it!:down
WorthyStevens
06-15-2006, 12:28 AM
yeah ok ebet and roper Loved x3 and gave two thumbs down to x1 get over it!:down
Thank you for helping to ruin the good name of the people who did like X3, myself included.
But if you're going to try and use reviews to your advantage, X3 got the worst of the three movies.
iceberg325
06-15-2006, 07:02 AM
I dont see what was so wrong with the movie.
Image
06-15-2006, 08:18 AM
I do, but that's just me.
JamesXMan
06-16-2006, 09:37 AM
Turn the comic costumes into movie costumes. Cyclops' Blue and Gold or Blue and White made semi shiny and high tech looking. Kinda like what they did with the Batman movie suits. very flexible and cool looking. Give wolvie his Yellow black and blue outfit but again make it dark shiny. A director that respects the comics whole heartedly too, when I first heard of the X-Men in 2000 and saw the outfits I was like what the hell.
MrSelfDestruct
06-18-2006, 02:28 AM
If he had a good script, I'd want him to direct another. X3 was visually brilliant, but the story was farked.
*xmenfan*
06-18-2006, 03:17 AM
if an X4 comes alive, would u mind him directing again? would u want Singer back after he jumped ship to DC? would u want a fresh face?
NO!!!!. Let someone else do it or bring back singer!!!!!!!
theShape
06-19-2006, 04:59 PM
no way. ratner needs to go. there was nothing special about his directing for him to stay. yes, the story was weak, but the directing was as well. it wasn't half as captivating as X2, and X2 has less action. so singer did something right with that one.
X4 would either need singer (which isn't happening) or another director who can create a unique take on the series.
Spirit4ever
06-20-2006, 10:46 PM
Ok, would I want Ratner to direct the next film.
Absolutely not!
I would love it if Singer returned, but because of the bad blood between Fox and Singer, more than likely that will never happen.
But I guess I wouldn't mind having someone, say, like Joss Whedon give it a shot.
Just this time, dont be giving Rogue a short shaft. This third installment totally wasted her. They could've squeezed an extra 20 minutes for her to show her powers some.
Mike059jig
06-20-2006, 11:08 PM
F*&k NO......x3 wasn't bad or terrible and its not a good movie....This guy and including everyone that worked on X3 turned it into wasted potential..the best scrpit of all the three and they throw it out..Sorry but Singer won't be coming back as much as I want him, I really hope he does and his absence is felt in X3...but after superman he be highly recognized and a very popular director...maybe their hope for him...or somebody new.
MaleRogue
06-21-2006, 02:02 AM
I really don't care if Ratner or Singer does it...
They are both very good... altough Ratner was a little better...
My faves are X1 and X3... sooo...
I really don't care who directs it
iceberg325
06-21-2006, 06:48 AM
I think after 4, Xmen should get the Batman begins treatment. Start over fresh and get everything right.
Trigger
06-21-2006, 06:53 AM
I don't think that would be a good idea. Starting fresh would just force us to retread the same ground. Instead we should get a new director and writing team on this series.
iceberg325
06-21-2006, 06:56 AM
I don't think that would be a good idea. Starting fresh would just force us to retread the same ground. Instead we should get a new director and writing team on this series.
I dont think it will be treading the same ground. Alot of the characters were done wrong so there backrounds will be new. Besides that, all that has to be done is make a good storyline and another problem for the xmen to face.
roguephoenix
06-21-2006, 04:02 PM
Brett Ratner And The Writer Should Never Be Allowed Near Any X-men Anything Ever Again. Period!
Barry Allen
06-21-2006, 04:31 PM
Brett Ratner And The Writer Should Never Be Allowed Near Any X-men Anything Ever Again. Period!
:up:
No more Ratner.
(We should just clone Bryan Singer and have him work on Superman and X-Men movies)
roguephoenix
06-21-2006, 06:50 PM
:up:
No more Ratner.
(We should just clone Bryan Singer and have him work on Superman and X-Men movies)
amen to that!
iceberg325
06-21-2006, 06:54 PM
you guys are too hash!!!
Drago
06-21-2006, 08:18 PM
I definitely say either Singer or Ratner- Singer's X1 had alot of studio interference, just like Ratner's X3. If there's someone there who hasn't worked on an X-film, the studio is just going to get in the way because lets be honest, that's what FOX is good at.
Only a returning X-director or writer. Singer, Ratner, or maybe Penn. It's a tough decision because Singer drags stuff out and seems to avoid big scale/epic moments in his "Realistic" x-films. Ratner, on the other hand, missed a lot of opportunities with X3- hopefully a large part of that was from the higher ups and not him.
iceberg325
06-22-2006, 06:41 AM
IMO as long as Uwe Boll doesnt direct this, I dont care lol.
bcd90
06-23-2006, 09:27 PM
I wouldnt want Ratner to do it simply because I was a little bit dissapointed with the Pheonix. This movie had the potential to be one of the best movies ever (to me), but because they made Pheonix different (not in control of her powers, confused, zombie look) it dissapointed. I obviously think X men should stay away from space, cloning, and time travel in their plots, but they should have made Pheonix a completely different personality that is not Jean. And another thing was too short, too many characters. That right there was the main problem. Even though they had time contraints and all. Ratner admitted he is not a comic book fan. Singer is, so he should do the next X men.
Drago
06-23-2006, 09:56 PM
I wonder if Singer can make a truly epic x-film though. The foundation of the x-franchise begins with societal issues, but while he's great at developing character, in both X1 and X2 he seemed to avoid making the issues of the characters important on that larger-scale, societal level. Let's use the battle at alcatraz as an example- do you think Singer would have done something like that [ever] in the x-films? Because I think he would have kept things smaller scale and strictly between the characters- no government, military, UN, no [inter]national corporations handling the "mutant problem", etc.
On the other hand, though, I feel that Ratner had a lot of missed opportunities, where he didn't try and get all out of the characters or out of the events happenning. While I liked the film and don't mind the way its done- Cyclops's demise could have been much more dramatic and emotional, just like Xavier's. Pheonix rising definitely should have been done differently, showing how ponderous of an event her resurrection is. I don't want to get into it, but there's a bunch others.
Ideally I would switch back between Singer and Ratner. Ratner brought in 3rd party forces and had the story driven by external events, not internal. If your having a future x-film being driven by the same forces, why not have him do it? But to break it up and develop character in the franchise, give some fresh air and have strictly character driven films here and there too, and allow Singer to do them. If only FOX weren't so greedy, we wouldn't have to be here comparing their financial choices to the qualitative ones we want to see.
Silvershade
06-24-2006, 01:22 AM
I had another idea recently about the focus of another X-triology. I was thinking what if they introduced Cassandra Nova and Apocalypse as the villains.
The story would be that she's supposedly come to run the school in her brother's place. Cassandra would actually be there because she's in league with Apocalypse. She's there to steal the Xavier Protocols for him and she's also there to destroy her brother's entire legacy.
The overall story would be Apocalypse is searching for three very powerful mutants for unknown reasons. He's using Cassandra Nova to achieve part of his goal. The rest of the triology would deal Cassandra Nova starting an all out war at the school, Angel's abduction and eventually emergence as Archangel and the rise of the Four Horsemen.
Subplot stories throughout the triology would deal with Rogue feeling even more of an outsider because she doesn't have her powers anymore yet she's still at the school; the introduction of Alex and Lorna (Havok and Polaris); Storm training the young X-men (Iceman, Kitty, Colossus, Angel, and newest member M) in becoming the next generation; the reveal that Xavier is alive in another body; and the biggie........ Cyclops is alive!
rowan sjet
06-24-2006, 01:22 PM
I wouldn't want to risk it. Sure, I could heap all the blame on the writers for the ****ty script, but the main big thing that changed between X2 and X3 was the director. And if you look at Ratner's CV, there's nothing there that really impresses you. I like the Rush Hour movies, but I don't love them. And he sure as hell could have tried to do a better job.
whitecrawler-->
06-24-2006, 04:46 PM
no no no!get him out he ruined it the only thing i liked in that movie was the special effects-i stopped caring for the characters i loved get him out bring back the X2 director!
I wonder if Singer can make a truly epic x-film though. The foundation of the x-franchise begins with societal issues, but while he's great at developing character, in both X1 and X2 he seemed to avoid making the issues of the characters important on that larger-scale, societal level. Let's use the battle at alcatraz as an example- do you think Singer would have done something like that [ever] in the x-films? Because I think he would have kept things smaller scale and strictly between the characters- no government, military, UN, no [inter]national corporations handling the "mutant problem", etc.
On the other hand, though, I feel that Ratner had a lot of missed opportunities, where he didn't try and get all out of the characters or out of the events happenning. While I liked the film and don't mind the way its done- Cyclops's demise could have been much more dramatic and emotional, just like Xavier's. Pheonix rising definitely should have been done differently, showing how ponderous of an event her resurrection is. I don't want to get into it, but there's a bunch others.
Ideally I would switch back between Singer and Ratner. Ratner brought in 3rd party forces and had the story driven by external events, not internal. If your having a future x-film being driven by the same forces, why not have him do it? But to break it up and develop character in the franchise, give some fresh air and have strictly character driven films here and there too, and allow Singer to do them. If only FOX weren't so greedy, we wouldn't have to be here comparing their financial choices to the qualitative ones we want to see.
Hmmm . . . According to Wizard's interview with Singer, X3/X4 was to focus on both humans and mutants going up against evolution itself--which I assume implies Dark Phoenix, as that is obviously the direction in which X2 is headed, especially given Jean's voiceover (which states that every few hundred millenia evolution leaps forward) while displaying the Phoenix Effect about to burst through Alkali Lake . . . to me, the description of both humans and mutants facing evolution itself sounds pretty large scale (particularly on a societal level--sentinels to ensure safety and security against mutants perhaps? a potentially nice tie-in).
Also, personally, I don't find the battle at Alcatraz to be epic or large scale for that matter--I almost would have preferred Ratner not change the intial idea of having the final battle take place in Washington D.C. Alcatraz seems a bit distant and secluded . . . I find taking the war to the nation's doorstep to be a much more pressing matter on all levels and wish they would have done so instead. It's decisions like this, in which Ratner did have control, that make me question whether or not I would like him to direct any subsequent X-Men films.
lolysmile
06-28-2006, 12:33 AM
Ratner's X3 wasn't that bad even though some people say it is. It was just too rushed(they had to reuse a scene from X2 for goodness sakes!) and so it didn't really turn out as excellent as we all(or I) hoped it'd be. But on the otherhand, I love the special effects(especially Dark Phoenix's new look). So I can't really decide. X2 was a good movie, but I think I'd have preferred the action in X3, but X3 was way too, too short so I guess it's a tie. I'll have to see how Superman Returns does. If I had to pick right now, Brett Ratner, just give the man a little more time next time FOX!!!
ISHMAEL
07-02-2006, 06:04 PM
I dont see what was so wrong with the movie.
i just think the good characters were wasted like angel rogue juggernaut callipsyo psyckole and too much money was used on them
Rogue's Hand
07-05-2006, 01:54 AM
I don't have a problem with him directing it again as long
as they make sure to be careful what the heck they put on screen!:mad:
The writers and company need to read the comics and find a way to give us visual and plot at the same time. Why shouldn't Rogue be able to fly
at high speeds across NYC in X4 when Superman did it for almost 3 hours:confused: I'm lost. Honestly. The fact that they don't give hints of character
connections is also an issue. Singer did it with Mystique, Nightcrawler & Rogue in his versions. Angel saved his dad from Psylocke:confused:
What da **** is dat? She is good, and was not meant to be introduced that way. His list of cameos was endless, and these were the ones he picked?:confused: LOL!!!! He needs to get it together.
No Ratner. If not Singer, then someone else. Like David Hayter.
EnSabahNur
07-05-2006, 02:36 PM
I liked Ratners X-film, It was too short though, but thats all Fox's doings.... They would rather make a short action film to make money rather than pleasing fans.
Majik1387
07-05-2006, 03:00 PM
Joss Whedon.
Cosmic Mind
07-06-2006, 08:59 AM
that's a good one, but still i want Singer back..
redlion2
07-06-2006, 09:34 AM
If Ratner was given more control, more time and a good budget, I wouldn't mind seeing him come back to see what he could really do with the franchise.
No.. I didn't hate the movie but it really was all over the place.
I prefer Singer. I don't like some of the decisions he's made, but I still like him more than Ratner.
Destructicus
07-06-2006, 10:45 PM
Ratner did an okay job but if Singer can do it then have him direct. I would be happy will PW Anderson. Plus I dont get all the hate. I would of left Xmen for the chance to do the big Superman movie anyway.
Karea07
07-06-2006, 10:48 PM
If the studio gives him the freedom to do what he wants, then yes. But that goes with any director.
MJayX
07-07-2006, 02:12 PM
NEITHER
I think the franchise has outgrown Singer's original watered down concept. And I don't think Ratner has the capacity of vision to take it in the direction it needs to go to be the next Star Wars - which quite frankly i don't feel naieve in thinking it has such potential.
Rogue's Hand
07-08-2006, 02:12 AM
Brett Ratner And The Writer Should Never Be Allowed Near Any X-men Anything Ever Again. Period!
I totally agree with you.
Their vision is so vague and opaque.
They don't understand the essence of the comics at all.
People say it doesn't matter because the movie is different,
but it shouldn't stray to far away from the base.
Can you imagine if the Phoenix Saga were to have been done the right way? OMG! Woulda be fiyah! But he brings us his version.
Which should've been called "X-Men: Road Kill":(
yay for Halle cause she deserved, but dang.
Then curing Mystique which is X-Flick eye candy!:confused:
He's a fat fart that needs to hand the script back to Singer, LOL
kapea
07-15-2006, 09:57 PM
I'd want Singer back because he would do justice to the character development (which is the overarching reason why we care about the X-Men in the first place) while having each character continue to use their powers in interesting ways. Same reason I wouldn't mind having Joss Whedon behind the wheel.
Ratner needs to go back to what he's best at - shallow slapstick comedy and music videos.
Style 92
07-19-2006, 05:45 PM
if an X4 comes alive, would u mind him directing again? would u want Singer back after he jumped ship to DC? would u want a fresh face?I want singer back, but Fox won't let him back. I hate how fox screwed him.
muscaremy
07-20-2006, 01:11 AM
its needs to be done by someone who can balance action and story....and not be interfered with by sed company...ahem FOX
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