X3 Box Office Tracker

[triplefive]

No. Because this comparison has nothing to do with profit for the studio, in which case the production and marketing costs would be factored in. This is simply a comparison on box office performance.

To be fair, the original quote never specified if the poster meant gross profit (which would include the costs of making the film) or gross revenue, which would be straight-up ticket sales.

[Advanced Dark]

Whats this adjusted gross for X2???? Does this mean that its production costs should also be adjusted upwards...how about the marketing costs... if we compare lets compare equally.:confused:

I think it's 39% more expensive than X1. I'd have to look again but you have it backwards on production costs. It actually cost less now to make the same movie today if you use the same technology but if you compare X1 to X3 you have to adjust X1 or X2 figures upward as well as the prior movies budget...not X3's.

[tkenji69]

I think it's 39% more expensive than X1. I'd have to look again but you have it backwards on production costs. It actually cost less now to make the same movie today if you use the same technology but if you compare X1 to X3 you have to adjust X1 or X2 figures upward as well as the prior movies budget...not X3's.


that doesnt make sense to me... because the production costs keep going up every year... i remember when 100 million was alot for a movie budget...now were getting 200 and 300 million dollar budgets... this would not be the case if it was cheaper to make movies.

[cyke93]

so i see x3 made it over the 200 mil mark.. but i also see that its dipped greatly in numbers.. hmm... i wonder what is going to happen as far as an x4 is concerned

[Advanced Dark]

^ How could it not dip greatly. The fans of X-Men really boosted up the first week more than an ordinary film would ever be. 122 million in 4 days is insane. I'm not going to get into the whole frontloading deal again but that's the way it is now.

[CapBeerCino]

^ How could it not dip greatly.

By being better? People gave it a go in the first weekend and saw it's not that good.

[RedIsNotBlue]

By being better? People gave it a go in the first weekend and saw it's not that good.

So when Superman takes its dip I guess that means its no good either. Quit trying to equate box office drops to quality. We all know that the box office does not tell us whether a film is good or bad. I like how its breaking records yet some are just focusing on ANYTHING slightly negative towards this film.

[mad-sci]

We all know that the box office does not tell us whether a film is good or bad.


Production cost of X-men: $75M
Domestic Gross: $157M (2 times budget)


Production cost of X2: $110M
Domestic Gross: $214M

Production cost of X3: $210M
Domestic gross: $201M (expected around $240-245M)





Production cost of Spider-man: $139M
Domestic gross: $403M

Production gross of Spider-man 2: $200M
Domestic gross: $373M


With maintained quality and incraesing budget, you would expect the BO response to be the same. The first 2 X-films made near twice the production cost in the US alone. I put Spider-man's numbers up here to show that once you reach a certain point (~$200M), the domestic gross doesn't always follow.

But my point is that following on from X1 and X2, a $30M increase in gross from production costs looks bad. This film should have at least reached the high 200's / low 300s, not the low to mid 200s.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Production cost of X-men: $75M
Domestic Gross: $157M (2 times budget)


Production cost of X2: $110M
Domestic Gross: $214M

Production cost of X3: $210M
Domestic gross: $201M (expected around $240-245M)





Production cost of Spider-man: $139M
Domestic gross: $403M

Production gross of Spider-man 2: $200M
Domestic gross: $373M


With maintained quality and incraesing budget, you would expect the BO response to be the same. The first 2 X-films made near twice the production cost in the US alone. I put Spider-man's numbers up here to show that once you reach a certain point (~$200M), the domestic gross doesn't always follow.

But my point is that following on from X1 and X2, a $30M increase in gross from production costs looks bad. This film should have at least reached the high 200's / low 300s, not the low to mid 200s.

And X3 is still in theatres :confused: It will surpass X2 domestically and has yet to be released in 3 big oversea countries.

[CapBeerCino]

So when Superman takes its dip I guess that means its no good either. Quit trying to equate box office drops to quality. We all know that the box office does not tell us whether a film is good or bad. I like how its breaking records yet some are just focusing on ANYTHING slightly negative towards this film.

I'm sorry I forgot box office = quality only after a hugh weekend opening.
And what does SR has to do with it?

[RedIsNotBlue]

I'm sorry I forgot box office = quality only after a hugh weekend opening.
And what does SR has to do with it?

No I am saying in recent years the box office predictions and takes have been so off and funky that putting the numbers in the same category as quality is silly in alot of the cases.

And I am throwing SR in there because I think its numbers are gonna drop HUGE once POTC2 opens but that doesn't make Superman Returns a bad movie.

[antariksh]

so i see x3 made it over the 200 mil mark.. but i also see that its dipped greatly in numbers.. hmm... i wonder what is going to happen as far as an x4 is concerned


THERE WON'T BE AN X4!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm sorry I forgot box office = quality only after a hugh weekend opening.
And what does SR has to do with it?


I think he's making the SR connection because it's very possible that Pirates Of The Carribean 2 will cut its legs drastically the weekend following its release. If SR suffers a comparable drop due to competition it won't necessarily mean it was due to poor quality...even though that film looks to set off a fair amount of controversy among fans too.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think he's making the SR connection because it's very possible that Pirates Of The Carribean 2 will cut its legs drastically the weekend following its release. If SR suffers a comparable drop due to competition it won't necessarily mean it was due to poor quality...even though that film looks to set off a fair amount of controversy among fans too.

Lightning to the rescue. And wasn't it great to finally see Storm in an X-Men movie? :)

[CapBeerCino]

And I am throwing SR in there because I think its numbers are gonna drop HUGE once POTC2 opens but that doesn't make Superman Returns a bad movie.

:O I thought you assumed that if I don't like x-3 I must be a die-hard SR fan, which I'm not.

And LS - what did you think of x-3? (I think it's the 10th time you're being asked, but I never saw your review of it?)

[RedIsNotBlue]

:O I thought you assumed that if I don't like x-3 I must be a die-hard SR fan, which I'm not.

And LS - what did you think of x-3? (I think it's the 10th time you're being asked, but I never saw your review of it?)

Nope just saying the numbers for SR are expected to take a big drop even by WB themselves considering they are opening the film 3 days earlier to put extra room between SR and POTC2.

[Angamb]

when will be released Pirates?

[Carp Man]

No I am saying in recent years the box office predictions and takes have been so off and funky that putting the numbers in the same category as quality is silly in alot of the cases.

And I am throwing SR in there because I think its numbers are gonna drop HUGE once POTC2 opens but that doesn't make Superman Returns a bad movie.

I agree, and if SR doesn't take a 60 % + drop i'll be shocked. less then 60 % will mean people liked it and are comming back for more. I think Friday when POTC2 opens will tell the story. If it does huge business opening day, that will not spell well for SR. Just the fact of it being pushed up 2 days tells me WB is bracing for it.

[mad-sci]

And X3 is still in theatres It will surpass X2 domestically and has yet to be released in 3 big oversea countries


Yes, it will surpass X2, but the point is that following on from the first 2 films, this one should be making closer to $300M, judging purely on the budget. If the 3rd film had cost as much as X2, I wouldn't be complaining about its domestic gross so far. But the point is that after 2 full weeks, its made back $200M in the US, and looks to have a final projection of around $240M. There should have been at least another $50M collected.

[Red Mask]

Nyaahahahaha! MI:3 still hasn't reached 200 million after six weeks!

[CapBeerCino]

Yes, it will surpass X2, but the point is that following on from the first 2 films, this one should be making closer to $300M, judging purely on the budget. If the 3rd film had cost as much as X2, I wouldn't be complaining about its domestic gross so far. But the point is that after 2 full weeks, its made back $200M in the US, and looks to have a final projection of around $240M. There should have been at least another $50M collected.

:eek: Wow you have 0.12 posts per day since 2000! How can you ever remeber your password and ID? :p

[Lightning Strykez!]

And LS - what did you think of x-3? (I think it's the 10th time you're being asked, but I never saw your review of it?)

I haven't done a review yet actually. But I'll be doing something interesting probably this week. ;)

[mad-sci]

Wow you have 0.12 posts per day since 2000! How can you ever remeber your password and ID?


Ha ha! I only post when I have time, I'm too busy sometimes.

But the plain facts are these:-

Bryan Singer had a total budget of $110M for X2, and made a film that grossed $217M (nearly double)

Brett Ratner and co. had a budget of $210M for XMTLS, and have made a film that has grossed $201M so far (and is not expected to exceed $245M, barring all new releases being total flops).

On those numbers alone, you can't help but look at XMTLS and be disappointed. It could and SHOULD have been so much higher (there's no excuse for that, that's why I'm disappointed in this film. In my eyes, it's somehow worse than comic films like Batman & Robin and FF because EVERYTHING was in place for at least one more film, but the studios never confirmed it until it was too late, then decided to rush it.)

[Angry Sentinel]

I haven't done a review yet actually. But I'll be doing something interesting probably this week. ;) Ha ha... I just asked you the same question on the Storm thread... :up:

[flavio_lebeau]

so X3 is the highest box office of the year so far, right? :confused:

[The_Exodus]

LOL....... there is a point of diminishing returns....... you can't take that analogy of x2 for 110M gross double, so therefore the 210M feature should make more than double. theres just only so many people going to watch the movies period.

so just becuase the movie cost 10M to make, doesnt mean it should have made 20M.

just an observation.

X

[mad-sci]

LOL....... there is a point of diminishing returns....... you can't take that analogy of x2 for 110M gross double, so therefore the 210M feature should make more than double. theres just only so many people going to watch the movies period.


LOL, true but that's not what I'm saying here. I don't expect the gross to double just because the budget doubled, but for a film to have an increased $100M budget from its previous one after only 3 years, you would expect a more significant jump in gross than just a little over the budget. This film was not in the position of BB (which was restarting a crumbling franchise), it was at the top in terms of audience anticipation and awareness.

To have the film be shorter than the $110M film begs the questions of where the budget went? If it was just to rush this film into theatres, then when you see the final gross, ask yourself if you thought it was worth it, or if it would have been better to delay the film for six months and save more money?

[MoPlaYa]

Ha ha! I only post when I have time, I'm too busy sometimes.

But the plain facts are these:-

Bryan Singer had a total budget of $110M for X2, and made a film that grossed $217M (nearly double)

Brett Ratner and co. had a budget of $210M for XMTLS, and have made a film that has grossed $201M so far (and is not expected to exceed $245M, barring all new releases being total flops).

On those numbers alone, you can't help but look at XMTLS and be disappointed. It could and SHOULD have been so much higher (there's no excuse for that, that's why I'm disappointed in this film. In my eyes, it's somehow worse than comic films like Batman & Robin and FF because EVERYTHING was in place for at least one more film, but the studios never confirmed it until it was too late, then decided to rush it.)


X3 will makes its money when the DVD is for sale

[liamoversion2]

Production cost of X-men: $75M
Domestic Gross: $157M (2 times budget)


Production cost of X2: $110M
Domestic Gross: $214M

Production cost of X3: $210M
Domestic gross: $201M (expected around $240-245M)





Production cost of Spider-man: $139M
Domestic gross: $403M

Production gross of Spider-man 2: $200M
Domestic gross: $373M


With maintained quality and incraesing budget, you would expect the BO response to be the same. The first 2 X-films made near twice the production cost in the US alone. I put Spider-man's numbers up here to show that once you reach a certain point (~$200M), the domestic gross doesn't always follow.

But my point is that following on from X1 and X2, a $30M increase in gross from production costs looks bad. This film should have at least reached the high 200's / low 300s, not the low to mid 200s.



The saturation for X2 was huge. Everyone who didn't see it in theaters would have seen it on satelite at some stage if they were even remotely interested. The movie has been all over digital tv stations for the last three years. And it's a fecking good film.

After putting out such a good sequel the first time and coupled with the way they promoted the s**t out of X3, expectations were through the roof. It should be pushing 300 domestic. Believe me, it's not going far past 230. I expect another 60% drop this weekend...

Word of mouth screwed it up. A lot of people are not happy.

And the International box office is completely screwed. Everyone thinks that it will get a boost when it opens in the few final markets. It won't add that much at all.

For instance, Japan's final gross for X2 was $4,902,854. And it won't be much better this time around. Those guys are hooked up big time. They've all seen the movie by now!

[CapBeerCino]

X3 will makes its money when the DVD is for sale

As any other film does :confused:

[mad-sci]

X3 will makes its money when the DVD is for sale


Great, but why not in the cinema like X2 and X1, Spider-man 1 and 2, even FF?! The DVD sales are thought of as additional profits, ON TOP of the cinema grosses. I don't want to annoy anyone here, but X3 had perfect marketing, audience awareness and the best opening weekend to possibly reach something like Spider-man level grosses in the cinema alone (~$300M). The fact that it won't is disappointing.

[flavio_lebeau]

i think word of mouth indeed screwed it up. To everyone who asks me, i say "yeah, its kinda good". This is not what they wanna hear. Plus, in Brazil, which is the biggest catholic country of the world, Da Vinci Code has a huge appealing. Everybody i ask (of course, non-fans of X-men) seem to be more interested in see the Da Vinci movie. And this translates on the Box Office, DVC has 3,000,000 of people who watched it, while X3 is reaching 1,900,000.

[antariksh]

I look at it this way X2 opened with $85 million and did $129 million more after its opening weekend.

And X3 opened with $102 million and will do $127 million more after its opening weekend.

To be honest with you the audience didn't increase a whole lot from X2 because LOT of the general audience didn't like X2 that much. The reason is because FOX marketed that movie so well and it looked like it will be one hell of an action+sfx movie but aside from the NIGHTCRAWLER in white house action scene, NOTHING in X2 was that good except maybe the X-jet sequence where it was being chased by two fighters which was ok.

So guys lot of the GENERAL AUDIENCE felt that they were ripped off. I mean common the movie came after spider-man but wasn't as entertaining as SM. PLAIN SIMPLE. I am one of those who firmly belives that X2 was inferior to SM in terms of action, sfx and acting.

On the other hand X3 is a great action + sfx movie BUT it is too short and needed more action that is why once again the GENERAL AUDIENCE feels a bit letdown. And u can blame FOX for that because it looks like BRETT RATNER was going to make the best x-men movie but didn't get the time to do so.

As for the budget I am very confident the movie is no more than $165 million. And from what i know FOX didn't market+distribute X3 heavily in international markets and the domestic marketing+distribution was not as big as X2 but still good.

So i am taking an educated guess and say that $165 (Production budget)+$45 (Domestic marketing+distribution)+$40 (international marketing+distribution) = $250 million TOTAL amount spent on X3.

Will it make all that in its boxoffice??

YES it will break even and then do tons more on DVD sales+rentals.

Therefore it is a successful movie.

[flavio_lebeau]

well, just to know that X3 was able to surpass the "3rd movie" taboo is good. At least its making profits, unlike most 3rd parts...

[liamoversion2]

I look at it this way X2 opened with $85 million and did $129 million more after its opening weekend.

And X3 opened with $102 million and will do $127 million more after its opening weekend.

To be honest with you the audience didn't increase a whole lot from X2 because LOT of the general audience didn't like X2 that much. The reason is because FOX marketed that movie so well and it looked like it will be one hell of an action+sfx movie but aside from the NIGHTCRAWLER in white house action scene, NOTHING in X2 was that good except maybe the X-jet sequence where it was being chased by two fighters which was ok.

So guys lot of the GENERAL AUDIENCE felt that they were ripped off. I mean common the movie came after spider-man but wasn't as entertaining as SM. PLAIN SIMPLE. I am one of those who firmly belives that X2 was inferior to SM in terms of action, sfx and acting.

On the other hand X3 is a great action + sfx movie BUT it is too short and needed more action that is why once again the GENERAL AUDIENCE feels a bit letdown. And u can blame FOX for that because it looks like BRETT RATNER was going to make the best x-men movie but didn't get the time to do so.

As for the budget I am very confident the movie is no more than $165 million. And from what i know FOX didn't market+distribute X3 heavily in international markets and the domestic marketing+distribution was not as big as X2 but still good.

So i am taking an educated guess and say that $165 (Production budget)+$45 (Domestic marketing+distribution)+$40 (international marketing+distribution) = $250 million TOTAL amount spent on X3.

Will it make all that in its boxoffice??

YES it will break even and then do tons more on DVD sales+rentals.

Therefore it is a successful movie.

So I guess $165 million+45



Yes it will break even... but I can almost guarantee that is not what Fox expected... they were looking to walk away with at least 50 million from Box Office. Then DVD sales revenue and whatever else. They will not get that extra 50 mil.

And I disagree with you about the general audience not liking x2. In my experience they rave about it like there's no tomorrow...

And that's what I was trying to say... for that very reason X3 should have been a goldmine, but it's not.

[Celestio]

Why only look at the domestic figures? X3 has made over $400mil worldwide hasn't it? So technically it has made double it's budget if you include worldwide sales. It certainly isn't a flop. Plus we have DVD sales aswell and it isn't finished at the BO yet.

[liamoversion2]

Why only look at the domestic figures? X3 has made over $400mil worldwide hasn't it? So technically it has made double it's budget if you include worldwide sales. It certainly isn't a flop. Plus we have DVD sales aswell and it isn't finished at the BO yet.


I'm pretty sure it's only at about 335 mil right now worldwide. And only about half of that ends up going back to the studio. So it's only going to break even at the Box office. This won't be much of a money maker for Fox. The DVD sales will be pretty big, but they still don't stand to make a lot of money.

[antariksh]

Yes it will break even... but I can almost guarantee that is not what Fox expected... they were looking to walk away with at least 50 million from Box Office. Then DVD sales revenue and whatever else. They will not get that extra 50 mil.

And I disagree with you about the general audience not liking x2. In my experience they rave about it like there's no tomorrow...

And that's what I was trying to say... for that very reason X3 should have been a goldmine, but it's not.

Well i don't know i talk to my freinds and family. They didn't like X2 that much.

U talk to people who say it is good.

Well to be honest with you there are people out there who LOVE F4 and some who HATE it.

The same applies to X2 and X3.

[Celestio]

I'm pretty sure it's only at about 335 mil right now worldwide. And only about half of that ends up going back to the studio. So it's only going to break even at the Box office. This won't be much of a money maker for Fox. The DVD sales will be pretty big, but they still don't stand to make a lot of money.

Ooh I just found it.

Worldwide Gross $347,700,000

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/XMEN3.php

And it's not over yet. Plus it doesn't get released in Japan until September. I'm pretty sure it's gonna get more than it's budget after it's finished.

[GL's Light]

For instance, Japan's final gross for X2 was $4,902,854. And it won't be much better this time around. Those guys are hooked up big time. They've all seen the movie by now!
X2's final gross in Japan was $ 15,253,222.

[liamoversion2]

Ooh I just found it.

Worldwide Gross $347,700,000

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2006/XMEN3.php

And it's not over yet. Plus it doesn't get released in Japan until September. I'm pretty sure it's gonna get more than it's budget after it's finished.



kewl... but Japan isn't all that big a market. X2's final gross in Japan was like 4.5 million and given X3's performance so far, I'd say it won't break 6 there. And like I said, they're pretty well hooked up. They've all seen the movie by now or certainly will have by september!

[GL's Light]

kewl... but Japan isn't all that big a market. X2's final gross in Japan was like 4.5 million
No, see my post above about X2's Japanese box office.

[liamoversion2]

X2's final gross in Japan was $ 15,253,222.



hmmm... you sure? I got that figure off IMDB pro... just checked it again..

[flavio_lebeau]

i wonder if Japan will get a version with better effects/different scenes coughphoenixflamescough :eek:
not likely, its Fox after all :p

[GL's Light]

hmmm... you sure? I got that figure off IMDB pro... just checked it again..
IMDB has it wrong then. Check Box Office Mojo.

[antariksh]

I'm pretty sure it's only at about 335 mil right now worldwide. And only about half of that ends up going back to the studio. So it's only going to break even at the Box office. This won't be much of a money maker for Fox. The DVD sales will be pretty big, but they still don't stand to make a lot of money.

I don't care if there is NO X4 because i wanted it badly but due to some FANBOYS (cyclops fanbase) who are spreading the word that the movie sucks just because cyclops dies is not really fair.

But serves me and all x-men fans RIGHT that we won't be getting an X4.

I have supported the movie as much as i can by watching it 4 times. Hell i watched SM2 only ONCE and that movie deserves to be watched 10+ times but i didn't because i am not a fan of spider-man.

I watched X3 4 times becasue it proved to me that if BRETT RATNER is ever given a chance to do X4 and given more time then we will be getting ONE HELL OF A MOVIE. And i am saying the BEST x-men movie because Brett Ratner can handle both ACTION, SFX, EMOTION and COMEDY which X3 had and delivered BUT if Brett had more time he would have beaten singer and put the previous two movies to SHAME.

That is why i watched X3 4 times but half of the fanbase (cyclop ) boycotted and STOPPED supporting it becasue cyclop dies. Who is going to explain these fans that JEAN GREY died in X2 but she was back in X3 as pheonix. I am pretty DAMN SURE that cyclops would have been back in X4 in some form and shape because in x-men universe NO ONE DIES THAT SOON.

But unfortunately me and other x-men fans NOT cyclop fans will suffer. Oh well i hope one day Brett Ratner reveals that Cyclops was going to come back in X4 BUT we couldn't get a chance to make one due to X3 dissapointing boxoffice.

That will be a KICK ON THE FACE for all x-men fans especially CYCLOP fanbase.

[Carp Man]

IMDB has it wrong then. Check Box Office Mojo.

IMBD is wroung most of the time. Stick with Mojo.

[X-Maniac]

Isn't it funny how box office figures are wielded on here like a weapon to prove people's points about the movie being crap, or not being crap...

Box office is affected by much more than quality...

Personally, I'm glad of a good box office to show the X-Men are a franchise to be reckoned with and invested in.. but I can see how others feel that good box office justifies the flaws in the movie and sends a wrong message.

However, what's happening with FF2 shows that, hopefully, the moviemakers do learn from fan criticism even if box office was excellent (as happened with the deeply flawed FF1). FF2 seems to be stepping up the game and avoiding cheesetastic stuff like Moleman for something more epic ... hope it translates into a good film after all that, but not sure about the FF director staying on...

[liamoversion2]

I don't care if there is NO X4 because i wanted it badly but due to some FANBOYS (cyclops fanbase) who are spreading the word that the movie sucks just because cyclops dies is not really fair.

But serves me and all x-men fans RIGHT that we won't be getting an X4.

I have supported the movie as much as i can by watching it 4 times. Hell i watched SM2 only ONCE and that movie deserves to be watched 10+ times but i didn't because i am not a fan of spider-man.

I watched X3 4 times becasue it proved to me that if BRETT RATNER was is ever given a chance to do X4 and given more time then we will be getting ONE HELL OF A MOVIE. And i am saying the BEST x-men movie because Brett Ratner can handle both ACTION, SFX, EMOTION and COMEDY which X3 had and delivered BUT if Brett had more time he would have beaten singer and put the previous two movies to SHAME.

That is why i watched X3 4 times but half of the fanbase (cyclop ) boycotted and STOPPED supporting it becasue cyclop dies. Who is going to explain these fans that JEAN GREY died in X2 but she was back in X3 as pheonix. I am pretty DAMN SURE that cyclops would have been back in X4 in some form and shape because in x-men universe NO ONE DIES THAT SOON.

But unfortunately me and other x-men fans NOT cyclop fans will suffer. Oh well i hope one day Brett Ratner reveals that Cyclops was going to come back in X4 BUT we couldn't get a chance to make one due to X3 dissapointing boxoffice.

That will be a KICK ON THE FACE for all x-men fans especially CYCLOP fanbase.


I got ya... but for me it's not really about Cyclops... and anyway I was really just hanging around for Phoenix but they screwed that majorly... couldn't give a f**k about the the screen versions of the other characters... the movies will tumble into incoherency after this... trust me.

[BMM]

I look at it this way X2 opened with $85 million and did $129 million more after its opening weekend.

And X3 opened with $102 million and will do $127 million more after its opening weekend.

To be honest with you the audience didn't increase a whole lot from X2 because LOT of the general audience didn't like X2 that much. The reason is because FOX marketed that movie so well and it looked like it will be one hell of an action+sfx movie but aside from the NIGHTCRAWLER in white house action scene, NOTHING in X2 was that good except maybe the X-jet sequence where it was being chased by two fighters which was ok.

So guys lot of the GENERAL AUDIENCE felt that they were ripped off. I mean common the movie came after spider-man but wasn't as entertaining as SM. PLAIN SIMPLE. I am one of those who firmly belives that X2 was inferior to SM in terms of action, sfx and acting.

On the other hand X3 is a great action + sfx movie BUT it is too short and needed more action that is why once again the GENERAL AUDIENCE feels a bit letdown. And u can blame FOX for that because it looks like BRETT RATNER was going to make the best x-men movie but didn't get the time to do so.

As for the budget I am very confident the movie is no more than $165 million. And from what i know FOX didn't market+distribute X3 heavily in international markets and the domestic marketing+distribution was not as big as X2 but still good.

So i am taking an educated guess and say that $165 (Production budget)+$45 (Domestic marketing+distribution)+$40 (international marketing+distribution) = $250 million TOTAL amount spent on X3.

Will it make all that in its boxoffice??

YES it will break even and then do tons more on DVD sales+rentals.

Therefore it is a successful movie.

Wow. Hardly. I don't even know where to begin. Your analysis of X2 is entirely wrong. The general audience loved X2 . . . X2 is easily touted as the best of the three X-Men movies, hence the reason the vast majority of critical, fan, and non-fan reviews hold it as being the benchmark of the X-Men films . . . X2 left audiences excited and wanting more . . . there was much more positivity surrounding that movie before and after its release . . . and obviously there still is, especially when compared to the likes of X3.

Here is a poll conducted by Empire in which over 7000 people voted on their favorite X-Men movie . . . X2 won by a whoping 64% . . . X3 only received 24%, while X-Men received 12% . . . I would say X2 left a fairly favorable taste in the general audience's mouth. You're kidding youself if you think otherwise.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18103

[chicagodave]

its the first movie this year to top 200 mill domestically. outstanding.

[DarknessOfDeath]

is that good?

[chicagodave]

is that good?

well it means domestically its the #1 movie so far this year. so yea its good.

[liamoversion2]

pearl harbour sucks... and I miss you...

[CapBeerCino]

Wow. Hardly. I don't even know where to begin. Your analysis of X2 is entirely wrong. The general audience loved X2 . . . X2 is easily touted as the best of the three X-Men movies, hence the reason the vast majority of critical, fan, and non-fan reviews hold it as being the benchmark of the X-Men films . . . X2 left audiences excited and wanting more . . . there was much more positivity surrounding that movie before and after its release . . . and obviously there still is, especially when compared to the likes of X3.

Here is a poll conducted by Empire in which over 7000 people voted on their favorite X-Men movie . . . X2 won by a whoping 64% . . . X3 only received 24%, while X-Men received 12% . . . I would say X2 left a fairly favorable taste in the general audience's mouth. You're kidding youself if you think otherwise.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18103


Look at RT
x-3 has 56% ciritics and 73% users.
x-2 has 87% ciritics and 94% users.
x-1 has 80% critics and 92% users.

But keep telling yourself whatever helps you feel better antariksh.

[liamoversion2]

Wow yeah... that really speaks for itself..

I don't know why more people don't like X1... Singer pulled off a friggin miracle with that movie... it was beeautiful in some places... really moody and atmospheric...

[antariksh]

Look at RT
x-3 has 56% ciritics and 73% users.
x-2 has 87% ciritics and 94% users.
x-1 has 80% critics and 92% users.

But keep telling yourself whatever helps you feel better antariksh.

From what i know those user reviews are actually written mostly by FANS of X-men not general audience. I mean common no one excpet fans take the time to write those reviews and vote which is the best x-men.

And i am very confident all cyclop fans gave it a 0-4/10 just because cyclop dies.

[crappymovie]

Look at RT
x-3 has 56% ciritics and 73% users.
x-2 has 87% ciritics and 94% users.
x-1 has 80% critics and 92% users.

But keep telling yourself whatever helps you feel better antariksh.

No....No! But he asked his friends and family! Surely they are a much better indicator of what the general public wants! So let's ignore box office, reviews by critics, reviews by fans, and just claim that X3 is THE BEST X-MEN FILM!! (because my grandma Muriel liked it)

Yes, X2 left everyone so disappointed, they stayed away from X3 opening weekend, in droves....wait, that doesn't make sense. Wouldn't it be the other way around? No! I got it! They didn't like X2 so much that they stayed away from X3 in it's SECOND weekend. Yes, that makes more sens, I'm going with that.


:up:

[Celestio]

I prefer X3 out of the 3 but even I'll admit X2 is the most popular out of them all. :p

[antariksh]

No....No! But he asked his friends and family! Surely they are a much better indicator of what the general public wants! So let's ignore box office, reviews by critics, reviews by fans, and just claim that X3 is THE BEST X-MEN FILM!! (because my grandma Muriel liked it)

Yes, X2 left everyone so disappointed, they stayed away from X3 opening weekend, in droves....wait, that doesn't make sense. Wouldn't it be the other way around? No! I got it! They didn't like X2 so much that they stayed away from X3 in it's SECOND weekend. Yes, that makes more sens, I'm going with that.


:up:



HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA LOL

the world is screwed up.

[crappymovie]

From what i know those user reviews are actually written mostly by FANS of X-men not general audience. I mean common no one excpet fans take the time to write those reviews and vote which is the best x-men.

And i am very confident all cyclop fans gave it a 0-4/10 just because cyclop dies.

But the same X-Men fans are writing the reviews for X3. In case you didn't notice, Cyclops wasn't a major player in X2. But when a movie gives a character even a few minutes to shine, it pleases the fans. Even though I highly doubt only bitter Cyclops fans are writing the reviews for X3...but whatever makes you feel better about the film, I applaud you. :up:

So, did everyone hate the first X-Men? Hence, why they stayed away from X2 opening weekend? Did everyone hate X2, hence why they stayed away from X3? Or maybe the X3 marketing was simply hypnotic?

When the public didn't like the movie, the opening of it's sequel decreases. Tomb Raider 2, Superman 4, Episode 2, especially if a film doesn't look very good (Batman & Robin.) X3 had a plus because it looked great...

[crappymovie]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA LOL

the world is screwed up.

That's why the epic X-Men 3 is dropping in the face of the Break-Up and Cars. People are clearly insane.

[BMM]

From what i know those user reviews are actually written mostly by FANS of X-men not general audience. I mean common no one excpet fans take the time to write those reviews and vote which is the best x-men.

And i am very confident all cyclop fans gave it a 0-4/10 just because cyclop dies.

I'm willing to bet more than just diehard X-Men fans vote in those polls . . . just like a number of people vote in the polls conducted on the front page of the Hype. They vote because it's there, they're able to share their opinion regardless of the matter, and it simply takes one click of a button to do it. Regardless, your logic still doesn't account for the critical reviews . . . and even the good ones, still hold X3 as being inferior to X2, if not both of its predecessors. That's not to say people hate X3, but to say the general audience heavily disliked X2 is just wrong.

[CapBeerCino]

From what i know those user reviews are actually written mostly by FANS of X-men not general audience. I mean common no one excpet fans take the time to write those reviews and vote which is the best x-men.

And i am very confident all cyclop fans gave it a 0-4/10 just because cyclop dies.

Okay. it has 6.6 average on RT by 500 users and 7.0 on Imdb by 29,543 users.
Boy those are a lot of Cyclops fans! :cyclops:

[crappymovie]

Okay. it has 6.6 average on RT by 500 users and 7.0 on Imdb by 29,543 users.
Boy those are a lot of Cyclops fans! :cyclops:

Never underestimate thet power of Cyclops fans.

They are all mutants with the mutant power to "Poison the Box Office", single handidly causing 67% drops in returns. Those bitter mutants.

Just kidding :O

[liamoversion2]

Okay. it has 6.6 average on RT by 500 users and 7.0 on Imdb by 29,543 users.
Boy those are a lot of Cyclops fans! :cyclops:


Yeah the user comments on IMDB complain about all kinds of things.... one or two people say that Cyclops shouldn't have been killed.... but most of them are just like 'bad, messy movie'

which it friggin well is

[antariksh]

Okay. it has 6.6 average on RT by 500 users and 7.0 on Imdb by 29,543 users.
Boy those are a lot of Cyclops fans! :cyclops:

YEP a LOT.

I myself am a fan of cyclop BUT NOT A FAN OF MOVIE VERSION CYCLOP.

He is simply a WIMP and PUSSY. And all that credit goes to Bryan Singer.

I am a fan of the cyclops in the X-men games on playstation 1 and xbox and a fan of cyclops in the FOX Kids Tv show.

[crappymovie]

YEP a LOT.

I myself am a fan of cyclop BUT NOT A FAN OF MOVIE VERSION CYCLOP.

He is simply a WIMP and PUSSY. And all that credit goes to Bryan Singer.

I am a fan of the cyclops in the X-men games on playstation 1 and xbox and a fan of cyclops in the FOX Kids Tv show.

Ok then

[antariksh]

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

X1 did $16+ million http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...tl&id=xmen.htm (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=xmen.htm)
X2 did $15+ mllion http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...intl&id=x2.htm (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=x2.htm)
X3 will do $14+ million


LOL


I am saying X3 won't do more than $400 million. So SAD there won't be an X4. Thank You very much everyone.


So X2 was good?? I think JAPANESE think it was worse than X1 and i guess X3 will continue the trend of dropping with each sequel.

[CapBeerCino]

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
X1 did $16+ million http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...tl&id=xmen.htm (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=xmen.htm)
X2 did $15+ mllion http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...intl&id=x2.htm (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=x2.htm)
X3 will do $14+ million
LOL
I am saying X3 won't do more than $400 million. So SAD there won't be an X4. Thank You very much everyone.
So X2 was good?? I think JAPANESE think it was worse than X1 and i guess X3 will continue the trend of dropping with each sequel.

Why, what a solid point you make!... Oh wait - not.

YEP a LOT.
I myself am a fan of cyclop BUT NOT A FAN OF MOVIE VERSION CYCLOP.
He is simply a WIMP and PUSSY. And all that credit goes to Bryan Singer.


WHY LOOK - I CAN USE THE CAPS LOCK TOO! YAY ME! :up:

[DarknessOfDeath]

someones going back on ignore...

[Advanced Dark]

Ant you make no sense. Movie are more frontloaded now than when X1 and X2 came out due to much more competition in the industry and specfically in the genre. When X1 came out there were no other superhero films. Now there's multiple superhero films, films with bigger budgets, and thank god many many more screens to fit everyone in...in the first 2-3 weeks. So your statement is nonsense and X3 is selling plenty of tickets and making more money for the studio because the studios % take higher the first 2 weeks than any other time.

[antariksh]

[quote=Advanced Dark]Ant you make no sense. Movie are more frontloaded now than when X1 and X2 came out due to much more competition in the industry and specfically in the genre. When X1 came out there were no other superhero films. Now there's multiple superhero films, films with bigger budgets, and thank god many many more screens to fit everyone in...in the first 2-3 weeks. So your statement is nonsense and X3 is selling plenty of tickets and making more money for the studio because the studios % take higher the first 2 weeks than any other time.quote]

Oh is it i didn't know that!!!

COOL so why is everyone here saying X3 is a failure at boxoffice.

Stupid DC fans i guess

[#1Batmanfan]

because it droped soooo badly after its first weeks which shows people didnt really like it and it was frontloaded

[Advanced Dark]

^ Depends on what they mean by failure. It may have failed them as a story but it's certainly no failure at the box office. The huge first weekend on over 8000 screens allowed everyone in at that time. Also the first week had the huge fan rush that films like The Break Up and Mission Impossible never have. X3 is not a failure at the box office and anyone who says that is a complete idiot. In fact most people though it would do less than X2 for some stupid reason, and even the studio said they were just hoping for X2 type #'s of aroudn 200 million domestic. The box office failed nobody but after the first weekend the drop surprised some people...but again drop from what? 122 million in 4 days. Who cares? 240-250 million is a success and by far the highest grossing film of the year till Supes and Spidey come out. That's not bad.

[BMM]

^ . . . and I'm willing to bet POTC 2.

[antariksh]

I am going to say

TOP 5 movies of SUMMER DOMESTIC BOXOFFICE will be

1) POTC 2
2) Superman returns or cars
3) Superman returns or cars
4) X-men 3
5) Da vinci code

[Carp Man]

because it droped soooo badly after its first weeks which shows people didnt really like it and it was frontloaded

Change your sig. Stop living in the past. :thing:

[Advanced Dark]

Ant you're nuts.

1) POTC
2) Superman Returns or X3
3) X3 or Superman Returns
4) Da Vinci Code
5) Ice Age 2
6) Cars if it's lucky in this spot.

* Cars is tracking behind Ice Age, and X3 is already ahead of DaVinci and DaVinci is falling faster and losing screens.

[BMM]

I'm willing to hold out on the top 5 grossing movies . . . there always seems to be the possibility of fall/winter movies (Kong/Narnia) that do well.

[Son Of Logan]

How much did X3 make overseas this last week. BOM doesn't have the update yet.

[Goddessreicho]

In 14 days X3 has amassed nearly as much as X2 (which has been out for, what, three years...) and people are still sh***** on it. Yes, it wasn't flawless. There were some serious bugs in it. But X2 had its problems as well.

What are people going to say when this year is out and the final totals are in?

Whatever...Pirates will own all anywaze.

[Advanced Dark]

How much did X3 make overseas this last week. BOM doesn't have the update yet.

It's posted above the total is 160.1 overseas.

[Son Of Logan]

It's posted above the total is 160.1 overseas.

Thanks, AD. :up:

[PowersOfMind]

I know some folks who will be pissed if POTC 2 turns out to be the best movie of the summer.

[Advanced Dark]

I'm willing to hold out on the top 5 grossing movies . . . there always seems to be the possibility of fall/winter movies (Kong/Narnia) that do well.

I don't think this year has one of those. In any event POTC,Superman, and X3 will own the top 3 on the horizon I see. Everyone knew about Kong and Narnia...and Kong didn't do that great considering the expectations that it might challenge many records. LOL

[crappymovie]

Ant you're nuts.

1) POTC
2) Superman Returns or X3
3) X3 or Superman Returns
4) Da Vinci Code
5) Ice Age 2
6) Cars if it's lucky in this spot.

* Cars is tracking behind Ice Age, and X3 is already ahead of DaVinci and DaVinci is falling faster and losing screens.

Domestic?
1) POTC 2
2) Superman Returns or X3
3) X3 or Superman Returns
4) Cars
5) Da Vinci Code
6) Ice Age 2

Worldwide?
1) POTC2
2) Da Vinci Code
3) Ice Age 2
4) Superman Returns
5) Cars
6) X3

[Carp Man]

My sig includes the overseas #'s for this weekend.

[DarknessOfDeath]

judging by the trailer, POTC 2 looks awsome.

[Carp Man]

judging by the trailer, POTC 2 looks awsome.

Johnny Depp is hot in hollywood. POTC 2 will do exceding well, much to the SR fans costipation.:)

[BMM]

I don't think this year has one of those. In any event POTC,Superman, and X3 will own the top 3 on the horizon I see. Everyone knew about Kong and Narnia...and Kong didn't do that great considering the expectations that it might challenge many records. LOL

That's true . . . but there are always those random movies that tend to catch on--you never know when another My Big Fat Greek Wedding is going to hit.

Regardless of expectations, Kong was still one of the top grossing movies of 2005.

[PowersOfMind]

Yes it does. The past few times ive been to the movies and the Pirates trailer comes on people go bananas.

Plus... X3 is making it moneyso im a pretty happy camper. Though I did in fact help contribute to Cars' numbers this weekend. I went to see it three times ( I hate babysitting)

[GL's Light]

Johnny Depp is hot in hollywood. POTC 2 will do exceding well, much to the SR fans costipation.:)
Not at all. I don't mind if Pirates 2 does huge box office. I want Pirates 2 and SR to both be huge hits.

[Carp Man]

Yes it does. The past few times ive been to the movies and the Pirates trailer comes on people go bananas.

Plus... X3 is making it moneyso im a pretty happy camper. Though I did in fact help contribute to Cars' numbers this weekend. I went to see it three times ( I hate babysitting)

I've seen polls on which movie are u most likley to go see, or which movie will be the summer hit, and everyone POTC 2 leads the list. SR is always a distant 2nd to 4th. People are going ga ga over Depp.

[PowersOfMind]

I've seen polls on which movie are u most likley to go see, or which movie will be the summer hit, and everyone POTC 2 leads the list. SR is always a distant 2nd to 4th. People are going ga ga over Depp.

Im one of those people. I cant wait for POTC2.

MY list was:
1-POTC2
2-X3
3-Da Vinci Code
4-Superman( It's taken time but it kinda grown on me now)

[Goddessreicho]

I remember when Pirates 1 came out of the blue. It was barely advertised. People saw it because of good word o mouth. Looks like thier taking the same approch (sp?) again. I've seen two ads for it (trailer and the m&ms).

X3 is doing far better than I expected. Wonder what the numbers are gonna look like for it in three years?

[Angamb]

My sig includes the overseas #'s for this weekend.

Where? I can't find this web...

COuld you post the numbers?

[danoyse]

Look at RT
x-3 has 56% ciritics and 73% users.
x-2 has 87% ciritics and 94% users.
x-1 has 80% critics and 92% users.



That might only be definitive if all 3 movies were up against the same number of reviews. According to RT:

X1: 127 critics reviews, 120 user reviews
X2: 210 critics reviews, 177 user reviews
X3: 189 critics reviews, 480 user reviews

So how many more fanboys are using a computer on 2006 than they were in 2000? What critics are figuring in now, who weren't in 2003?

That's hardly a definitive score.

[Carp Man]

Where? I can't find this web...

COuld you post the numbers?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/

[CapBeerCino]

So how many more fanboys are using a computer on 2006 than they were in 2000?


A lot. Just look at this board- "old" users are from 2002. The internet has a lot more power now. And you won't find as bad reviews on x-2 as x-3 gets.

[antariksh]

Sunday's actuals are out

X3 did $4.3 million http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

And i am happy it has done $200 milllion.

BUT i am happier because CARS didn't even do $60 million. It was expected to do $62 million but did only $58 million.

CARS is officially PIXAR's first dissapointment in terms of opening weekend. And with bigger competetion next weekend and third weekend, I think it will have hard time reaching the $250 million mark.

So where is LordofTheNerds and the other guy who were expecting CARS to do $75-80 million. Take that in your face u PIXAR fans. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I so love it PIXAR's first dissapointment.

[crappymovie]

Sunday's actuals are out

X3 did $4.3 million http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

And i am happy it has done $200 milllion.

BUT i am happier because CARS didn't even do $60 million. It was expected to do $62 million but did only $58 million.

CARS is officially PIXAR's first dissapointment in terms of opening weekend. And with bigger competetion next weekend and third weekend, I think it will have hard time reaching the $250 million mark.

So where is LordofTheNerds and the other guy who were expecting CARS to do $75-80 million. Take that in your face u PIXAR fans. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I so love it PIXAR's first dissapointment.

Cars has a different demographic than next week's big competition: Fast and the Furious 3. Same goes for Click the weekend after, followed by Superman Returns. I think that was the fault with Cars: it skewed younger than the other films, but didn't have the reviews to bring in a slightly older audience. But it should play out well during the next few weekends, because kids will still see the film...Over the Hedge has had very strong legs as well.

[danoyse]

A lot. Just look at this board- "old" users are from 2002. The internet has a lot more power now. And you won't find as bad reviews on x-2 as x-3 gets.

Or as many reviews, period. That's why it's not as good a scale as everyone would think. How many people actually reviewed all 3 movies?

[danoyse]

Or...what rating is actually official? MSN.com has 5 pages of reviews, IMDB has their score, Entertainment Weekly readers gave it a B+ (the only A movie was "Akeelah and the Bee"). Comingsoon.net had their own poll.

People are going to pick the score that suits their opinion best and take it as fact.

[PowersOfMind]

Or...what rating is actually official? MSN.com has 5 pages of reviews, IMDB has their score, Entertainment Weekly readers gave it a B+ (the only A movie was "Akeelah and the Bee"). Comingsoon.net had their own poll.

People are going to pick the score that suits their opinion best and take it as fact.

Which is why I make up my own mind and form my own opinions.

[GhostPoet]

Sunday's actuals are out

X3 did $4.3 million http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

And i am happy it has done $200 milllion.

BUT i am happier because CARS didn't even do $60 million. It was expected to do $62 million but did only $58 million.

CARS is officially PIXAR's first dissapointment in terms of opening weekend. And with bigger competetion next weekend and third weekend, I think it will have hard time reaching the $250 million mark.

So where is LordofTheNerds and the other guy who were expecting CARS to do $75-80 million. Take that in your face u PIXAR fans. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I so love it PIXAR's first dissapointment.


I do agree it is in a way Pixar's first dissapointment. Cars WAS coming out sooner, but they took it back to rework it...not a lot of love for the trailers. There hasn't been much excitement generated for it either. It's a step down from the great Incredibles.

[superion]

Originally Posted by mad-sci
Production cost of X-men: $75M
Domestic Gross: $157M (2 times budget)


Production cost of X2: $110M
Domestic Gross: $214M

Production cost of X3: $210M
Domestic gross: $201M (expected around $240-245M)





Production cost of Spider-man: $139M
Domestic gross: $403M

Production gross of Spider-man 2: $200M
Domestic gross: $373M


With maintained quality and incraesing budget, you would expect the BO response to be the same. The first 2 X-films made near twice the production cost in the US alone. I put Spider-man's numbers up here to show that once you reach a certain point (~$200M), the domestic gross doesn't always follow.

But my point is that following on from X1 and X2, a $30M increase in gross from production costs looks bad. This film should have at least reached the high 200's / low 300s, not the low to mid 200s.


Does anyone know what the actual budget for this film is. BO Mojo has it at $210 million while the numbers website has it at $150. Does BO Mojo figure include the advertising cost? If it does that would make more sense. I find it hard to believe Fox increased the budget from $110 to $210 million. That's a ridiculous amount to spend on a film that is not guaranteed to make at least $300 million like Spiderman.

Including advertising X2 probably cost at least $150 so the difference in total budget would only be about $50 to $60 million. If the $210 million does not include advertising and you have to add another $50 to $60 million for advertising then X3 will not breakeven at the BO as it would need over $500 million worldwide and I think it will only make between $450 to $500 Worldwide.

[X-Maniac]

Does anyone know what the actual budget for this film is. BO Mojo has it at $210 million while the numbers website has it at $150. Does BO Mojo figure include the advertising cost? If it does that would make more sense. I find it hard to believe Fox increased the budget from $110 to $210 million. That's a ridiculous amount to spend on a film that is not guaranteed to make at least $300 million like Spiderman.

Including advertising X2 probably cost at least $150 so the difference in total budget would only be about $50 to $60 million. If the $210 million does not include advertising and you have to add another $50 to $60 million for advertising then X3 will not breakeven at the BO as it would need over $500 million worldwide and I think it will only make between $450 to $500 Worldwide.

It is $150m plus marketing, bringing the total to $210.

[lordofthenerds]

Sunday's actuals are out

X3 did $4.3 million http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

And i am happy it has done $200 milllion.

BUT i am happier because CARS didn't even do $60 million. It was expected to do $62 million but did only $58 million.

CARS is officially PIXAR's first dissapointment in terms of opening weekend. And with bigger competetion next weekend and third weekend, I think it will have hard time reaching the $250 million mark.

So where is LordofTheNerds and the other guy who were expecting CARS to do $75-80 million. Take that in your face u PIXAR fans. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I so love it PIXAR's first dissapointment.
Here...:o Okay whatever, you were right.

[phantom47]

X3- 165 mil for prduction
45 marketing

yeah i dont know if those numbers for X1 X2 include marketing,

[lordofthenerds]

But i still did predict that X3 would only make 14-16 million this weekend.

[phantom47]

^^thank god it was closer to 16

[antariksh]

But i still did predict that X3 would only make 14-16 million this weekend.

Ya i was hoping between 15-17 million and did $15.6 million so i am happy.

[BMM]

Sunday's actuals are out

X3 did $4.3 million http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

And i am happy it has done $200 milllion.

BUT i am happier because CARS didn't even do $60 million. It was expected to do $62 million but did only $58 million.

CARS is officially PIXAR's first dissapointment in terms of opening weekend. And with bigger competetion next weekend and third weekend, I think it will have hard time reaching the $250 million mark.

So where is LordofTheNerds and the other guy who were expecting CARS to do $75-80 million. Take that in your face u PIXAR fans. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I so love it PIXAR's first dissapointment.

Yeah, I wonder if it will experience a record setting drop like X3 did.

[Son Of Logan]

Cars numbers will be consistant. It's getting good word-of-mouth.

[Iceman]

At least we got to $200m (13th fastest)

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/fastest.htm?page=200&p=.htm

[Carp Man]

weekend actuals are in. $ 16,078,578. Updated #'s below.

[GL's Light]

The actuals from BOM:

1. Cars - $ 60,119,509
2. The Break-Up - $ 20,325,790 (- 48.1%)
3. X3 - $ 16,078,578 (- 52.7%)

X3's domestic tally stands at $ 202,244,652.

The daily breakdown:

Fri - $ 4,962,358 (+ 107.9%)
Sat - $ 6,699,418 (+ 35%)
Sun - $4,416,802 (- 34.1%)

[Carp Man]

The actuals from BOM:

1. Cars - $ 60,119,509
2. The Break-Up - $ 20,325,790 (- 48.1%)
3. X3 - $ 16,078,578 (- 52.7%)

X3's domestic tally stands at $ 202,244,652.

The daily breakdown:

Fri - $ 4,962,358 (+ 107.9%)
Sat - $ 6,699,418 (+ 35%)
Sun - $4,416,802 (- 34.1%)

Remaining on course for 250 million domestic. :)

[BMM]

I don't know if X3 has 50 million more left in it . . . especially over the next couple of weeks . . . and especially once Superman Returns and POTC 2 hit the market.

[antariksh]

All the movies did more than expected except The break up.

So cars made $60 million BUT it is still less than xpected 62 million.

[Carp Man]

At least we got to $200m (13th fastest)

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/fastest.htm?page=200&p=.htm

5 way tie for quickest to $ 100 million. Pretty good company also.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/fastest.htm?page=100&p=.htm

[Carp Man]

I don't know if X3 has 50 million more left in it . . . especially over the next couple of weeks . . . and especially once Superman Returns and POTC 2 hit the market.

Didn't say it was going to be easy. Tough road to go thru.

[J.Howlett]

The Last Stand can't make another 50 million. It would have to play until late August to get that.

The competition isn't getting any easier.

If The Last Stand isn't at 240 million by the time Superman Returns hits, forget it...

[danoyse]

Which is why I make up my own mind and form my own opinions.

Smart! :up: :)

[Advanced Dark]

Well it should make another 1 million a day mon-thur (4 million) and another 8-10 million Fri-Sun, screens will drop however there's always a late boost in screens when it hits the discount theatres. If they're smart they'll boost the screens around Superman in the discount theatres to take advantage of Supes sold out shows but is that too soon?

[J.Howlett]

They can't and won't boost theatres. It's been out too long. There are more movies coming out. The theatre owners have to reduced the number of screens for The Last Stand to make room.

Again, it won't make another 50 million. The Last Stand will settle around 235 million...maybe 240 but it's going to be a hard, hard road.

[Carp Man]

Well it should make another 1 million a day mon-thur (4 million) and another 8-10 million Fri-Sun, screens will drop however there's always a late boost in screens when it hits the discount theatres. If they're smart they'll boost the screens around Superman in the discount theatres to take advantage of Supes sold out shows but is that too soon?

Remember AD when we we're waiting for a boost in FF theaters that never materialized. It will be intresting to see what the drop is in theaters this week. They boosted it 24 theaters for week 2, then dropped it 34 theaters for week 3. So that was 10 theater drop going into 3rd week. I think that will give us a gage of where they think it is going. I agree if they are going to make a serious move towards 250, they have to do it in the next 15 days. Once SR, and POTC open, X-Men won't be able to do squat. So if they can average 2 million a day for next 15 days that will bring them up to $ 232 million.

[Fanticon]

I think X3 can make it to 240 or 250million...even with the competition from SR and POTC2...but I also thought it was gonna hit 300million even before its opening weekend...so...yeah...but look at MI3...these last three weeks its managed to pull in 3-5m every weekend since its huge drops...so if X3 after this continues to report only 4-8 million a week for the next 3-5 weeks...it could reach 240-250million...lets see how the dailys are this week...

Also I know we're comparing the major big budget movies to how it will affect X3's continuing take...but I'm surprised no one thinks Nacho Libre is going to be a problem...it could be this years Wedding Crashers...maybe not that big but...its the first real slapstick comedy for its target audience for the summer...

[Fanticon]

I'd like to add that I thought Cars looked like crap from the start...weak teaser...way too cartoony looking...cars with mouths and eyes on the windshields? The creators said something like "we're all car enthusiasts, thats what it is...its just about cars" and...its as retarded as calling Finding Nemo...Fish. Its like calling A Bug's Life...Bugs...or Toy Story...Toys. The title alone just made me feel like...'god they think they can make anything gold just cuz it says Pixar'.
Anyway I'm told it was good and the reviews are positive...I just don't think this one had the appeal that the others had...perhaps it will have legs but I still won't be seeing it.
Sorry...back to X3

[antariksh]

Fox International races past $1bn gross in record time



Coming off a modest worldwide opening for The Omen, Fox International nevertheless announced today that it has crossed $1bn in overseas ticket sales in what it believes to be record time.

This marks the second consecutive year that Fox International has reached the milestone before any of its rivals -- six months is astonishingly fast in today's highly competitive international marketplace -- and the sixth time the studio has crossed the threshold. The studio officially crossed $1bn on Jun 9.

Key drivers in the year-to-date have been Ice Age: The Meltdown, which is winding down on $441m, and X-Men: The Last Stand, which remains active in the marketplace and currently stands at $160.1m.

Notable results for the year so far include $76.4m for The Pink Panther; $64.8m for Walk The Line; $64.3m for Big Momma's House 2; and $35.1m in ticket sales this year for Cheaper By The Dozen 2, which took $46m internationally in total.

The Omen rolled out in more than 60 territories last week and took $31.5m in its first six days, a subdued figure that was attributed to hot weather in Europe and the start of the televised World Cup.

"Achieving this milestone is a testament to the hard work and creative talent of our outstanding international division, both in the Los Angeles office and around the world," Fox International co-presidents Paul Hanneman and Tomas Jegeus said in a statement.

"With the year not even half over and an incredible line-up of titles in front of us, we look forward to Fox International's continued success."

Upcoming releases include Garfield 2, My Super Ex-Girlfriend, The Devil Wears Prada, The Fountain, A Good Year, Eragon, and Night At The Museum.



I gotta admit FOX pisses a LOT of fans but they do really well every year in terms of boxoffice.

[Carp Man]

They always do. They know what the fans like. Shrude businessmen. And Fox IS a business. They are in it to make a buck, and they do a fantastic job at it. Give the devil his due.

[danoyse]

[B][SIZE=5]Upcoming releases include Garfield 2, My Super Ex-Girlfriend, The Devil Wears Prada, The Fountain, A Good Year, Eragon, and Night At The Museum.

I thought "The Fountain" was from Warner Bros.??

Cannot wait to see that one. :)

[MoviesKickAss]

"A superhero film's success depends on its ability to reach beyond the obvious fan base of geeked out Fan Boys & Girls. "You're never going to please the hardcore fans, and there aren't enough of them to make a movie big enough for Hollywood,"

[RedIsNotBlue]

So ignore the people that made it even interesting at all for a studio to make a film about? Makes sense.

[borinquenknight]

I think X3 can make it to 240 or 250million...even with the competition from SR and POTC2...but I also thought it was gonna hit 300million even before its opening weekend...so...yeah...but look at MI3...these last three weeks its managed to pull in 3-5m every weekend since its huge drops...so if X3 after this continues to report only 4-8 million a week for the next 3-5 weeks...it could reach 240-250million...lets see how the dailys are this week...

Also I know we're comparing the major big budget movies to how it will affect X3's continuing take...but I'm surprised no one thinks Nacho Libre is going to be a problem...it could be this years Wedding Crashers...maybe not that big but...its the first real slapstick comedy for its target audience for the summer...


I agree with you. We've just started Summer. Superman Returns is coming up and Pirates 2 is around the corner. I'm not sure if X3 has another 50M left in it. But I wonder how much it'll make off of DVD sales. I've never really tracked how well blockbusters do on the DVD front.

[Celestial]

I thought "The Fountain" was from Warner Bros.??

Cannot wait to see that one. :)
Maybe Fox are the overseas distribtor.

[Celestial]

From this point on, X2 made around $40m and X1 $35m, so X3 is looking like a total domestic of $240-250m.

[tkenji69]

"A superhero film's success depends on its ability to reach beyond the obvious fan base of geeked out Fan Boys & Girls. "You're never going to please the hardcore fans, and there aren't enough of them to make a movie big enough for Hollywood,"

I dont think they ignored all the hardcore fans(ahem..cyclops)... In X3 we got 2 fastball specials, a Sentinel, a Danger Room, a Dark Phoenix storyline, an iced up Iceman, and countless others all to please the hardcore fans. It just seems that there are alot of Singer and Cyclop fans that disapprove of everything.

[Advanced Dark]

Another 1.7 million on Monday which is strong to me. 204 million domestic now.

[danoyse]

Another 1.7 million on Monday which is strong to me. 204 million domestic now.

Bring it on! :up:

(sorry, the negative posts on the other theards were making me cranky)

[GL's Light]

X2 made $ 1.362 million on its comparable Monday. Over the last couple of weeks X3 has outpaced X2 on its Mon-Thurs daily numbers, but performed below it on its weekends. A trend that I think is likely to continue. Good hold for Monday, though. :up:

[CaptainStacy]

They always do. They know what the fans like.

They have no CLUE what the FANS like.

They know what the GENERAL PUBLIC likes, and in the end, that's probably more profitable for them.

But if they were on board with what the FANS like, they would never have given us the bastardized version of Dr. Doom they threw together in the FF movie.

[Advanced Dark]

Relax about Doom. He just turned into Doom in the last 20 minutes of the film. Do you expect him to have a legion of doombots in his 1st appearance and full mastery of his powers, and I doubt word had time to spread that he decided to call himself Doom. Doom will be awesome in the next film and the studio, tim story, and avi all know what we want and have spoken loud and clear they'll give it to us.

[Carp Man]

Ok. Mondays #'s are in. Updated #'s below. $ 1,668,518 for Monday. $ 17,747,096 for the week so far. $ 6.4 Million Cars. $ 2.2 million Break Up. $ 1.6 million Omen. $ 1.1 million Da Vinci Code. X-Men came in 3rd.

[lordofthenerds]

Ok. Mondays #'s are in. Updated #'s below. $ 1,668,518 for Monday. $ 17,747,096 for the week so far.
At least it made over a million. lets hope it keeps that way through Thursday.

[Carp Man]

At least it made over a million. lets hope it keeps that way through Thursday.

Think it will. Then we'll see what the drop in thearers will be. Fast and the Furious opening this weekend. And Garfield 2. FAF will be opening at 2,800 +. Garfield on 2,900 . The Lake House 2,500 +. Nacho Libre 2800

[Advanced Dark]

X3 will hold its own this weekend. F&F3 is a joke but a bunch of loser 15 year olds will probably fill the seats because I'm been seeing a lot of zit faced geeks in my town skidding around with slicks like they're in a movie. One idiot crashed into a parked car and a mailbox and almost hit a family just getting home. You'll be hearing alot of negative press about kids doing this after this movie is released. The Lake House looks kind of cool like Frequency but just not as good, and Nacho Libre looks funny but I'll wait for the DVD thanks.

[GL's Light]

I think X3 will roll up about $ 5 million from the Mon-Thurs dailies, and then take $ 7-8 million this weekend.

[phantom47]

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=x3.htm

why do they have spain at 996,000 it was at like 8.5 mil last week

or is that how much it made this weekend

[Carp Man]

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=x3.htm

why do they have spain at 996,000 it was at like 8.5 mil last week

or is that how much it made this weekend

Should be total. No clue.

[phantom47]

international BO updated

$162,237,482

[Angamb]

international BO updated

$162,237,482

I've just noticed that too. I can't understand it, why? in two weeks and 6 days, only $162,237,482? It's not so much, I was hopping for 200 already :(

[Advanced Dark]

Japan & S.Korea were held back to maximize the box office. It'll break 200 easy.

[Angamb]

I see a little difficult to get 500 worldwide.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Well you figure 240-250 Domestic. If it makes more than that it would help.
I don't see much more than 200-220 international so if that holds it won't hit 500.

[Angamb]

anyone could post the comparision:

X3: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=x3.htm

X2: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=x2.htm

[Angamb]

X2 X3

United Kingdom $33,549,526 / $29,800,646

France $19,491,299 / $18,216,433

Germany $15,698,880 / $10,976,350

Mexico $14,138,486 / $13,929,529

Spain $10,651,404 / $10,090,058

Australia $10,654,740 / $10,725,683

Brazil $7,407,562 / $8,888,555

South Korea $7,360,016

Italy $6,524,980 / $6,296,813

Russia - CIS $3,650,616 / $5,776,391



Good numbers for some countries right now, at the end the final numbers will pass X2's much more, and as you can see, in the others the numbers are very close.

[superion]

^ Well you figure 240-250 Domestic. If it makes more than that it would help.
I don't see much more than 200-220 international so if that holds it won't hit 500.

No way this makes $250 million domestic now. $235 million Max. It will have to do $265 overseas to get $500 and it doesn't look good unless Japan is huge like $50 million.

[Angamb]

DVC has done in Japan $45,946,914. How do you think X3 will do?

[Angamb]

In South Korea:

Mission Impossible: $26,752,251
DVC: $13,141,798

X2: $7,360,016

I'd say for X3, around 10 million, at least.

[Carp Man]

Ok. Domestic and overseas #'s are in thru June 12th. Updated #'s below. :)

[Advanced Dark]

DVC has done in Japan $45,946,914. How do you think X3 will do?

Under 25 million.

[Advanced Dark]

No way this makes $250 million domestic now. $235 million Max. It will have to do $265 overseas to get $500 and it doesn't look good unless Japan is huge like $50 million.

It's tracking just over 240 million actually closer to 245 million.

[Angamb]

X3 needs around 260 foreign then.

[Advanced Dark]

The World Cup is slowing things down for now. Good think we have some big markets left: UK took a drop but that means the people that missed out on the movies this week will be back. However X3 is still #1

http://www.timeout.com/film/news/1209.html?DCMP=OTC-RSS-Film

[GL's Light]

X3 should do at least $ 15 million in Japan, but probably no more than $ 20 million. It could be hurt by the delayed release of MI III there; Cruise is still a huge draw in Asia, and MI III looks likely to do gangbusters business in Japan.

I'd say X3 is tracking for a domestic gross of $ 240 million, and an international gross of $ 200-210 million.

[oneteen]

X3 isn't out in Japan yet? When then?

[Carp Man]

X3 isn't out in Japan yet? When then?

9/9

[oneteen]

Ohh my bday.

[GL's Light]

9/9
Ah, MI III won't be a factor then - it starts playing in Japan a month before X3. I thought they'd brought X3 forward to a July release, but I was mistaken.

[liamoversion2]

X3 should do at least $ 15 million in Japan, but probably no more than $ 20 million. It could be hurt by the delayed release of MI III there; Cruise is still a huge draw in Asia, and MI III looks likely to do gangbusters business in Japan.

I'd say X3 is tracking for a domestic gross of $ 240 million, and an international gross of $ 200-210 million.


I disagree with all of that...

X3 won't do near that in Japan (not because of the disagreement we had before)...

It won't make 240 domestic. It will probably hit about 232. And it's already levelling off internationally.

[GL's Light]

I disagree with all of that...

X3 won't do near 20million in Japan (not because of the disagreement we had before)...

It won't make 240 domestic. It will probably hit about 232. And it's already levelling off internationally.
What do you think it'll make in Japan?

[liamoversion2]

I don't know... it's really hard to say... but it will be lower than X2... Maybe 12.

[GL's Light]

X3 has equaled or bettered X2's gross, or is very close to doing so, in almost every foreign territory. Germany is the major exception. I think X3 will at least equal X2's business in the remaining Asian markets.

[Downhere]

I don't know... it's really hard to say... but it will be lower than X2... Maybe 12.

That's odd considering it's outpacing X2..so it should make more than 15 million in Japan.

[Advanced Dark]

It will make 20-22 million in Japan quite easily.

[liamoversion2]

X3 has equaled or bettered X2's gross, or is very close to doing so, in almost every foreign territory. Germany is the major exception. I think X3 will at least equal X2's business in the remaining Asian markets.


I suppose it's more of a gut feeling (yes people get those)... it just won't do well in Japan.

[Carp Man]

I suppose it's more of a gut feeling (yes people get those)... it just won't do well in Japan.

X-Men did $ 16.9 million in Japan
X 2 did $ 15.2 million in Japan.

[antariksh]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fast_and_the_furious_3_tokyo_drift/


WOW i cannot belive that FATF3 is getting STRONG reviews from the such reputable websites like hollywoodreporter.com and variety.

THIS IS SO DAMN EMBARASSING FOR X3!!!!!!!

holy ****. This proves that critics were harsh towards X3.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yeah I'm sure Fox is as embarrased over X3's box office as Sony is over DaVinci. How embarassing. Get a clue.

[Advanced Dark]

X-Men did $ 16.9 million in Japan
X 2 did $ 15.2 million in Japan.

x3 will break 20 million in JApan.

[phantom47]

I dont understand, X3 reviewers said almont the same as some of the reviews for F&F3, but its at 83 im oretty sure it wont stay that way
but look here

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_returns/?critic=columns

[Loganbabe]

I never understood RT rate of "rotten" to X3, when the majority of the reviews are fresh. Can somenone please explain that?
And I always thought the site had a problem with the movie from day one. The good reviews took ages to appear, the bad reviews appeared very quickly. And I´ve read some good reviews that never appeared there.
And there´s some kind of distortion, too. When I read the Salon review on their site, I thought it was a fresh one. The reviewer aknowledged the good qualities of the movie, but also said the story had a much bigger potential that was never reached, which I agree. But it wasn´t a bad review by any means, so I was surprised to see it as rotten at RT!
I still believe they had some bias against X3 (Ratner? Fox?), because there´s no way a movie like X3 can be worse than FaF3! :down:

[BMM]

It's the Fast and The Furious . . . the reviewers knew what to expect--a mindless joyride. It's not as though they were expecting anything decent . . . or that it somehow has a higher standard from which to be compared based on its previous installments. Seriously, it's not as though it would be difficult to top its predecessors. Fortunatley, the same doesn't quite hold for the X-Men movies. Thank God.

[Visionary]

I would like to see X3 beat X2 domestically/overseas/worldwide...I think it has a very good chance.:o

[BMM]

With such a huge opening, I'm surprised it's taking this long.

[Visionary]

I don't care how long it takes, as long as it does it.

[liamoversion2]

With such a huge opening, I'm surprised it's taking this long.


Probably because it's a load of bollox

[CapBeerCino]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fast_and_the_furious_3_tokyo_drift/


WOW i cannot belive that FATF3 is getting STRONG reviews from the such reputable websites like hollywoodreporter.com and variety.

THIS IS SO DAMN EMBARASSING FOR X3!!!!!!!

holy ****. This proves that critics were harsh towards X3.

It only has 6 reviews, x-3 was "fresh" back when it had only 6 reviews. Took him a couple days to rott.

[Avalanche]

X2 X3

United Kingdom $33,549,526 / $29,800,646

France $19,491,299 / $18,216,433

Germany $15,698,880 / $10,976,350

Mexico $14,138,486 / $13,929,529

Spain $10,651,404 / $10,090,058

Australia $10,654,740 / $10,725,683

Brazil $7,407,562 / $8,888,555

South Korea $7,360,016

Italy $6,524,980 / $6,296,813

Russia - CIS $3,650,616 / $5,776,391



Good numbers for some countries right now, at the end the final numbers will pass X2's much more, and as you can see, in the others the numbers are very close.
It's worth comparing the figures for X3 and the Da Vinci Code in the foreign markets. The Da Vinci Code was a much bigger success.

[RedIsNotBlue]

The Da Vinci Code was bound to destroy the worldwide market.

[Advanced Dark]

DaVinci is a record breaking worldwide Juggernaut that has appeal like Passion of Christ overseas. X3 not living up to DaVinci overseas isn't a knock on X3.

[Amm-arD]

So when is X3 being released in Japan..nd someone post the gross when it does..cheers, im sure Carp Man will have it covered

[Advanced Dark]

Sept 9th per Mojo.

[lordofthenerds]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fast_and_the_furious_3_tokyo_drift/


WOW i cannot belive that FATF3 is getting STRONG reviews from the such reputable websites like hollywoodreporter.com and variety.

THIS IS SO DAMN EMBARASSING FOR X3!!!!!!!

holy ****. This proves that critics were harsh towards X3.
No, it proves that critics these days have no class

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I would like to see X3 beat X2 domestically/overseas/worldwide...I think it has a very good chance.:oIt's going to beat it Domestically and Internationally.

Did you Like X3 Vis?

[antariksh]

I never understood RT rate of "rotten" to X3, when the majority of the reviews are fresh. Can somenone please explain that?
And I always thought the site had a problem with the movie from day one. The good reviews took ages to appear, the bad reviews appeared very quickly. And I´ve read some good reviews that never appeared there.
And there´s some kind of distortion, too. When I read the Salon review on their site, I thought it was a fresh one. The reviewer aknowledged the good qualities of the movie, but also said the story had a much bigger potential that was never reached, which I agree. But it wasn´t a bad review by any means, so I was surprised to see it as rotten at RT!
I still believe they had some bias against X3 (Ratner? Fox?), because there´s no way a movie like X3 can be worse than FaF3! :down:


This is the reason why X3 got the reviews it got plain simple.

I also belive that F4 was a good movie by no means spectatcular or anything but still enjoyable and fun and deserved between 60-65% at rottentomatoes. On the other hand X3 was so awesome and should have got a 80-90% BUT critics didn't like it just becasue they killed some characters and it wasn't directed by Bryan Singer and was a short.

DAMN these critics to hell. They all are going to rott in hell.

[antariksh]

It only has 6 reviews, x-3 was "fresh" back when it had only 6 reviews. Took him a couple days to rott.

Ya BUT it started with 67% and went down to 55%.

This started with 85% and will end up with 60%

[Mike059jig]

X3 got what it deserved......so its actually bias when a critic is reviewing movie from the director perspective...thats a totally wrong....critics look at what the director brings to the big screen and ratner didn't bring what they expected...critics look at everything and always mention the director and everything else...

[Advanced Dark]

Another 1.5 million on Tuesday brings total to about 205.5 million domestic and easily putting us over 215 by Sunday passing up X2's total w/out adjusting for inflation of course but more things happened besides inflaction between X2 and X3 in the market place including digitial/downloading piracy at high speeds, quicker DVD releases, and the new video games sytems that have games better than movies. Still should hit about 240.

[antariksh]

http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

X3 does $1.5 million.

Now let us hope BOM also has the same number or MORE.

[Advanced Dark]

See post above yours.

[antariksh]

See post above yours.

YA YA i know but u didn't have a link to prove that X3 did $1.5 million.

[BMM]

This is the reason why X3 got the reviews it got plain simple.

I also belive that F4 was a good movie by no means spectatcular or anything but still enjoyable and fun and deserved between 60-65% at rottentomatoes. On the other hand X3 was so awesome and should have got a 80-90% BUT critics didn't like it just becasue they killed some characters and it wasn't directed by Bryan Singer and was a short.

DAMN these critics to hell. They all are going to rott in hell.

No. X3 received the reviews it deserved plain and simple.

[Advanced Dark]

Mostly true but there's a handful of reviews from haters. People who went into the theatre looking to pick it apart expecting it to be awful and never once relaxing to enjoy it. Like the fat orange orb.

[antariksh]

No. X3 received the reviews it deserved plain and simple.

meh

[Advanced Dark]

June 14, 2006

Shrinking b.o. windows pose big threat, study finds

Cinephiles that still enjoy watching the latest release in a dark movie theater amid the crunching of popcorn and the rustling of candy wrappers also are more likely to view their favorite flick at home on DVD or via video-on-demand, evidence that collapsing release windows could damage the entertainment industry. That was one of the main findings from a study titled "The Modern Movie Experience," conducted by Nielsen Analytics and the Movie Advisory Board, that examined how changing consumer attitudes and digital technologies are affecting boxoffice returns. It is the first of a series of reports spotlighting the most avid of media users of media platforms and the influence of their behavior on the entertainment industry. (Carly Mayberry) http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/images/arrow.gifFULL STORY (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002652743)

Why the big mega-budget films are so front loaded now.

[lordofthenerds]

No. X3 received the reviews it deserved plain and simple.
I think it deserves to be in the 60-70% area...plus as an X-Men fan you should be giving your support! :o

[Carp Man]

Why the big mega-budget films are so front loaded now.

That's the argument I've been using since FF came out. When people say ohhhhhhhhhh Superman would make a kazillion dollars today. No it wouldn't. It's a different time. When Superman came out there was no DVD, no internet, not as many pulls on your entertainment bucks. piracy. Inflation #'s when it comes to films of the past are bogus. Prices for everything were not as high. Was a different time. That's a no brainer there AD. Good article, but nothing I did not allready know.

[Carp Man]

Tuesdays #'s are in. Updated #'s below. $ 1,534,991. Held onto 3rd place.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Posted awhile ago.

[Advanced Dark]

That's the argument I've been using since FF came out. When people say ohhhhhhhhhh Superman would make a kazillion dollars today. No it wouldn't. It's a different time. When Superman came out there was no DVD, no internet, not as many pulls on your entertainment bucks. piracy. Inflation #'s when it comes to films of the past are bogus. Prices for everything were not as high. Was a different time. That's a no brainer there AD. Good article, but nothing I did not allready know.

Yeah we both argued that fact in the FF forums when the 3 FF trolls from the Superman boards played tag team with the FF fans. I suspect Superman should have a huge opening 7-10 days and when Pirates comes out it'll have the real test of all tests. It should still be a solid 2nd but Pirates should cannibalize it.

[Carp Man]

No, it proves that critics these days have no class

Critics wouldn't know a good movie if it fell on them. They analize, and scrutinize it to death, and the general public just wants to go see it and enjoy.

[TNC9852002]

Incidentally, on IMDB, X1 and X2 jumped from 7.2 to 7.3 and from 7.8 to 7.9 from pre-X3 to post-X3 respectively...

I find it also weird that despite the higher and significantly higher RT scores from Punisher and Daredevil compared to Fantastic Four, F4 is scoring higher numbers on IMDB than the respective aforementioned movies.

For example, Daredevil has a 44% critic rating on RT and a 5.6/10 on IMDB. Whereas Fantastic Four has a 25% critic rating on RT and a 6/10 on IMDB.


-TNC

[Carp Man]

Yeah we both argued that fact in the FF forums when the 3 FF trolls from the Superman boards played tag team with the FF fans. I suspect Superman should have a huge opening 7-10 days and when Pirates comes out it'll have the real test of all tests. It should still be a solid 2nd but Pirates should cannibalize it.

Well I drug out my May issue of Entertainment where they make their predictions for summer movies. They have Superman # 1 with $ 300 million in domestic sales, X-Men was 3rd with $ 250 million, and POTC was 6th with $ 200 million. In their opinion Superman is the movie to beat. And yes we did both get after them, and beat them back. :D They wanted to talk inflation, and we talked about the real #'s.

[Advanced Dark]

^ If Superman and Pirates switched release dates I'd agree but I think Pirates has the edge. Superman better make about 600 million worldwide just so it can make profit on the DVD.

[antariksh]

Incidentally, on IMDB, X1 and X2 jumped from 7.2 to 7.3 and from 7.8 to 7.9 from pre-X3 to post-X3 respectively...

I find it also weird that despite the higher and significantly higher RT scores from Punisher and Daredevil compared to Fantastic Four, F4 is scoring higher numbers on IMDB than the respective aforementioned movies.

-TNC

Well when i talk to my freinds about F4 they say that it was by no means awesome or of same quality like spider-man movies but definitley FUN and enjoyable with some really cool sfx and really funny. PEOPLE REALIZED THAT VERY LATE. That is why now the score of F4 is actually decent on IMDB.
Lot of people love HUMAN TORCH and THE THING now especially kids.

I bet you if they up the ante for F4-2 with MUCH BETTER ACTION, SFX, BADASS VILLAINS, same comedy as F4 a little more funny, good script then the IMDB mark will be HIGHER than F4.

[Advanced Dark]

Fantastic Four by it's nature should have more box office potential amongst all audiences compared to X-Men. It's lighter in nature, has more comedy, and COULD be more appealing to a broader audience. There were glipses of how good it could be and the whole crew know what the compmlaints are. I have faith in FF2 as of now.

[Carp Man]

Fantastic Four by it's nature should have more box office potential amongst all audiences compared to X-Men. It's lighter in nature, has more comedy, and COULD be more appealing to a broader audience. There were glipses of how good it could be and the whole crew know what the compmlaints are. I have faith in FF2 as of now.

I will remain garudly optomistic. However, I like what i've heard so far. If they come out with a super duper sequel, there is no q, it will be the film to beat next summer. :)

[Advanced Dark]

I've already e-mailed Tim Story and plastered on his front page blog response about the "Silver-On" rumor. I told him he needs to address this right away to avoid some real negativity, and that if it's in the script...to reconsider for the heatlh of the franchise. I doubt it's true.

[WorthyStevens]

I will remain garudly optomistic. However, I like what i've heard so far. If they come out with a super duper sequel, there is no q, it will be the film to beat next summer. :)

I don't know...

I think the movie to beat will be either Spider-Man 3, Shrek 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 3, or Harry Potter 5.

And if this movie is indeed happening...

Indiana Jones 4 could also be the movie to beat next summer.

[Advanced Dark]

I don't know...

I think the movie to beat will be either Spider-Man 3, Shrek 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 3, or Harry Potter 5.

And if this movie is indeed happening...

Indiana Jones 4 could also be the movie to beat next summer.

Indiana Jones won't be ready for Next Summer. Is that the plan? Anyways Spiderman 3 will own next year. No doubt about it. Raimi finally uppted the ante with Sandman, Venom, Goblin, and who knows (Black Cat?)>

[Carp Man]

I don't know...

I think the movie to beat will be either Spider-Man 3, Shrek 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 3, or Harry Potter 5.

And if this movie is indeed happening...

Indiana Jones 4 could also be the movie to beat next summer.

right now there is nothing till Transformers, and Harry Potter is set for July 13th 07. So FF right now sits pretty good. However I will agree on Spiderman 3. We'll see how POTC 2 does, HP, prob. But I still feel if they put out a qualty, action packed, family sequel it will be a strong contender. I could see it being in the top 5 of 2007. The 1st one came in at 13th out of 150 for 2005.

[GL's Light]

FF was # 11 on 2005's worldwide box office chart. I expect FF 2 will occupy a similar position. Spidey 3, Shrek 3, Pirates 3, and Harry Potter 5 are likely to be the highest grossing films of the summer.

[Carp Man]

FF was # 11 on 2005's worldwide box office chart. I expect FF 2 will occupy a similar position. Spidey 3, Shrek 3, Pirates 3, and Harry Potter 5 are likely to be the highest grossing films of the summer.

You are correct. I was looking at domestic totals for 2005. If they give a sequel like 1st 1 then I would agree, but if things change as they say it will ( amped up, faster paced, more intense story line ), then those #'s could change. And 11th is not bad.

[Milkman95]

I don't know...

I think the movie to beat will be either Spider-Man 3, Shrek 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 3, or Harry Potter 5.

And if this movie is indeed happening...

Indiana Jones 4 could also be the movie to beat next summer.

I think The Transformers could be really huge with Spielberg and Bay behind it. The July 4th release date doesn't hurt either. A lot more competition next summer - it's going to be tough.....

[GL's Light]

Summer 2007 is gonna be HUGE.

[Milkman95]

Summer 2007 is gonna be HUGE.

You got that right - everybody is going to be killing each other. In the end, the good blockbusters should win out.

[GL's Light]

You got that right - everybody is going to be killing each other. In the end, the good blockbusters should win out.
Yeah, although May is just crazy with Spidey 3, Shrek 3, and Pirates 3 all coming out so close together. May 2007 will probably be the biggest box office month in history (at least in unadjusted terms).

[lordofthenerds]

Fantastic Four by it's nature should have more box office potential amongst all audiences compared to X-Men. It's lighter in nature, has more comedy, and COULD be more appealing to a broader audience. There were glipses of how good it could be and the whole crew know what the compmlaints are. I have faith in FF2 as of now.
As long as Mark Frost and Tim Story stay, which they are, I have no faith in that movie.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Good then you won't be dissapointed. Low expectations might allow you to enjoy it. At least Tim Story is fighting for the Surfer to be in these 2 films instead of like Avi wanted with the origin movie first. Fox played The Fantastic Four as safe as you could get because it was untested.

[Visionary]

It's going to beat it Domestically and Internationally.

Did you Like X3 Vis?
Yeah, more than X1 and X2...that's why I hope it beats it.;)

[MoviesKickAss]

Tim Story is fighting for the Surfer to be in these 2 films instead of like Avi wanted with the origin movie first. Fox played The Fantastic Four as safe as you could get because it was untested.

If the Silver Surver ends up in Fantastic Four 2 then they will not be using Mark Frosts Script. As another writer included Silver Surver in his

[lordofthenerds]

^ Good then you won't be dissapointed. Low expectations might allow you to enjoy it. At least Tim Story is fighting for the Surfer to be in these 2 films instead of like Avi wanted with the origin movie first. Fox played The Fantastic Four as safe as you could get because it was untested.
Thanks for the inspiration, but i really doubt I'll enjoy it.

[josh8]

As long as Mark Frost and Tim Story stay, which they are, I have no faith in that movie.

they need to learn from the spider-man crew how to make a movie.

the spider-man movies are everything the fantastic four movie wanted to be.
-a funsuperhero movie
-light hearted, but not camp
-set in the city of new york with the public watching

once again, FOX needs to loosen the purse strings.

[danoyse]

they need to learn from the spider-man crew how to make a movie.

the spider-man movies are everything the fantastic four movie wanted to be.
-a funsuperhero movie
-light hearted, but not camp
-set in the city of new york with the public watching

once again, FOX needs to loosen the purse strings.

They were filming Spidey 3 a few blocks from my office two weeks ago. :)

Fox should have signed the whole X-Men crew for 3 movies right from the start.

I did see "Cars" tonight (sorry antarikish, I know I should be handcuffing myself to an X3 theater), and it was somewhat crowded. Can't tell you how X3 was holding up...that movie was playing in the theater across the street. :p

"Cars," however...was very enjoyable. Hope word-of-mouth gets that one a few strong weekends before the Superman/Pirates crush. :)

[antariksh]

They were filming Spidey 3 a few blocks from my office two weeks ago. :)

Fox should have signed the whole X-Men crew for 3 movies right from the start.

I did see "Cars" tonight (sorry antarikish, I know I should be handcuffing myself to an X3 theater), and it was somewhat crowded. Can't tell you how X3 was holding up...that movie was playing in the theater across the street. :p

"Cars," however...was very enjoyable. Hope word-of-mouth gets that one a few strong weekends before the Superman/Pirates crush. :)



:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: CARS sucks compared to The incredibles and ice age 2.

[danoyse]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: CARS sucks compared to The incredibles and ice age 2.

Well, I wasn't impressed by Ice Age, so I didn't see Ice Age 2, and I loved The Incredibles.

But Cars was just a very sweet movie. So many of the computer-animated films try to be so obnoxiously funny these day, it was just a nice break from that. And it was still very funny--they have a scene after the credits too.

[cardslinger]

They are already talking about a Pirates of the Caribbean 3?
Did they film back to back or something? Why havn't I heard of this?

[GL's Light]

They are already talking about a Pirates of the Caribbean 3?
Did they film back to back or something? Why havn't I heard of this?
Yep, they filmed them back to back.

[danoyse]

They filmed Pirates 2 & 3 back-to-back. Part 3 will be out next summer.

[cardslinger]

WOW!!!!
I did not know that. Thanks.

[Advanced Dark]

Yeah there are some stills of part 3 online and i'm sure the trailer will play with the 2nd film.

[borinquenknight]

they need to learn from the spider-man crew how to make a movie.

the spider-man movies are everything the fantastic four movie wanted to be.
-a funsuperhero movie
-light hearted, but not camp
-set in the city of new york with the public watching

once again, FOX needs to loosen the purse strings.


Couldn't agree with you more.

[Advanced Dark]

Fox had to see if FF would sell first. It did so give them a shot with part 2. There is no excuses now.

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.showbizdata.com

Another 1.5 million totalling 207 million domestic. Should make another 7 million international or more considering S.Korea, and another 7 million domestic over weekend pushing us over X2's #'s.

[Lightning Strykez!]

^^^ Barely though.

[Carp Man]

It is not over yet. :up: Updated #'s below.

[GL's Light]

BOM has the Wednesday actuals up:

# 3. X3 - $ 1,511,075 (- 1.6%) for a domestic total of $ 206,959,236 and a worldwide total of $ 369,196,718.

X2 dropped 3.43% for a $ 1.070 million take on its comparable day. X3 has been holding up well in the dailies this week.