X3 Box Office Tracker

[Carp Man]

BOM has the Wednesday actuals up:

# 3. X3 - $ 1,511,075 (- 1.6%) for a domestic total of $ 206,959,236 and a worldwide total of $ 369,196,718.

X2 dropped 3.43% for a $ 1.070 million take on its comparable day. X3 has been holding up well in the dailies this week.

Yea. And it will stay that way till SR opens then it will be in the toilet.

[flavio_lebeau]

in Brazil, X3 has been in first since the first weekend. I thought it would lose to DVC after the first week. About 2,500,000 people watched X-men 3, which is quite good for Brazilian numbers. If you count each person as R$8.00 (the mid-pricce of a ticket), then we should have about 10,000,000 dollars gross...

[narrows101]

Yea. And it will stay that way till SR opens then it will be in the toilet. That's why movies have to make their money pretty quickly - there's always another blockbuster on its heels:

Where to start on Superman Returns? It's terribly cast, poorly conceived, extremely light on action, features a romance that is not remotely romantic, doesn't feature a single memorable, "gosh, that was great" repeat-to-your-friends moment in a positive way (the blunder bits start early and often), will be crushed by Pirates of The Caribbean II and played out completely before August 1.
Rest of article here:

http://www.moviecitynews.com/columnists/poland/2006/060615.html

[Son Of Logan]

That's why movies have to make their money pretty quickly - there's always another blockbuster on its heels:


Rest of article here:

http://www.moviecitynews.com/columnists/poland/2006/060615.html

Ha...but he lists that POS Poseidon as his favorite movie so far. :rolleyes:

[triplefive]

I'm not sure if it's been discussed, and there are far too many pages to go back and look around, so forgive me...

But I totally agree with Fox execs that you can't write a movie for the comic book fans. There just simply aren't enough of them to support the box office. However, there's a difference between not writing a movie for comic book fans and completely alienating them. Fans aren't just nitpicking things like Storm's accent, hair or powers this time (well they still are). But the problems people have with this movie go much deeper than that.

It had a huge opening because everyone wanted to see what happened with the Phoenix storyline, and the whole cure thing, and the trailers were amazing. They set up the movie to be huge.

So then the problem with Fox's plan? They forgot that the comic book fans -- the ones they don't want to direct the script towards -- are the most likely to watch the movie again and again. They're probably not getting as much of it this time.

[narrows101]

Ha...but he lists that POS Poseidon as his favorite movie so far. :rolleyes: He didn't say Poseidon was his favorite movie - he rated it # 1 on the sh**ty Summer Movie Scale:

On the ****ty Summer Movie Scale, I would rate the major films that I have seen (leaving out any negative I might feel towards Cars or Over The Hedge) so far: 1. Poseidon
2. The Da Vinci Code
3. Mission: Impossible II
4. The Break-Up
5. Superman Returns
6. X-Men 3

[Son Of Logan]

He didn't say Poseidon was his favorite movie - he rated it # 1 on the sh**ty Summer Movie Scale:

Ah...then I read it backwards. My bad. :(

[flavio_lebeau]

I'm not sure if it's been discussed, and there are far too many pages to go back and look around, so forgive me...

But I totally agree with Fox execs that you can't write a movie for the comic book fans. There just simply aren't enough of them to support the box office. However, there's a difference between not writing a movie for comic book fans and completely alienating them. Fans aren't just nitpicking things like Storm's accent, hair or powers this time (well they still are). But the problems people have with this movie go much deeper than that.

It had a huge opening because everyone wanted to see what happened with the Phoenix storyline, and the whole cure thing, and the trailers were amazing. They set up the movie to be huge.

So then the problem with Fox's plan? They forgot that the comic book fans -- the ones they don't want to direct the script towards -- are the most likely to watch the movie again and again. They're probably not getting as much of it this time.
this is for sure. The fans are the ones who will watch these kind of movies more than once. I watched X2 eight times, and this time i went to my second viewing simply because there was nothing better to do. But nobody will force me to watch it a third time.

[Carp Man]

Where to start on Superman Returns? It's terribly cast, poorly conceived, extremely light on action, features a romance that is not remotely romantic, doesn't feature a single memorable, "gosh, that was great" repeat-to-your-friends moment in a positive way (the blunder bits start early and often), will be crushed by Pirates of The Caribbean II and played out completely before August 1

Thing is, I would have welcomed a movie that reset the Superman story with younger players. Why not? The casting of Kate Bosworth is looking as faulty as the casting of Emmy Rossum and Jacinda Barrett in Poseidon. In fact, aside from Frank Langella, who gets nothing to do anyway, there is barely a single good casting decision. Routh might be okay, but we'll never know until he stars in something else, because he was clearly doing a word-for-word, smirk-by-smirk imitation of Chris Reeve here. (He gets in one speech at the very end that sounds like he might be speaking in his own personal voice.)

Still, all these problems might have been overcome by a few great action set pieces or a really interesting twist or a villain who was a real genius and/or interested in more than being a bully or a romance that could bloom and not be held back by a competing relationship that is ill defined and endlessly uninteresting or really, anything that made this movie stand out as special - other than a lot of money spent on effects and advertising glamour level cinematography.

expect that people will say they like the movie, critics will generally be kind to the movie, and that audiences will find themselves talking about Little Man instead of Super Man by the middle of July.

He states it is a step behind X 3
Few things I found interesting. And not the 1st I've heard these type of comments from.

[GL's Light]

Dave Poland's been on the warpath against SR for months now. His extremely negative review is decidedly unsurprising.

[Mike059jig]

Oh so were're basing SR returns on just one review......thiers alot more positve reviews out their and its in the superman forum..thats the only negative one

[Carp Man]

Well, I've said this before and I'll say it again. SR's suscess will depend on Roth. If he can step from under Reeves shadow, then it will be accepted, but if they have gone the route of tring to make him in Reeves image, then it will not work. Hopefully Roth will be his own person as Superman, and not a Reeves/Superman clone. Reeves shoes as Superman are hard to fill. It will open big, then like X 3 will struggle once POTC 2 opens.

[Fanticon]

it won't open as big as X3

[WorthyStevens]

X3 is losing 870 theatres this weekend.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/counts/chart/?yr=2006&wk=24&p=.htm

[danoyse]

He didn't say Poseidon was his favorite movie - he rated it # 1 on the sh**ty Summer Movie Scale:


Wow, I hate to see what movies he did like this summer. It does seem like he's giving SR the Harry Knowles treatment, though.

I still can't wait to see Superman. :)

I finally saw 'DaVinci Code' tonight (much better than I thought it would be), but there were less than a dozen people in the theater. Glad to hear X3 is holding up well this week. :up:

[danoyse]

Well, I've said this before and I'll say it again. SR's suscess will depend on Roth. If he can step from under Reeves shadow, then it will be accepted, but if they have gone the route of tring to make him in Reeves image, then it will not work. Hopefully Roth will be his own person as Superman, and not a Reeves/Superman clone. Reeves shoes as Superman are hard to fill. It will open big, then like X 3 will struggle once POTC 2 opens.

You know, I think enough time has passed for the kids that are going are being introduced to Superman now aren't going to make that comparison (obviously). I grew up with the Christopher Reeve movies and he'll always be Superman to me, but I'm not holding that against the new guy. I'm curious to see how he does.

Also just found out that a friend at work has a friend who lived on the same street as Brandon Routh. Says he's a very nice guy. Thought that was kinda cool. :up:

[Advanced Dark]

X3 is losing 870 theatres this weekend.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/counts/chart/?yr=2006&wk=24&p=.htm

Yep and DaVinci, MI:3,Posedion, and Over the Hedge losing 900+ EAch.

[Carp Man]

X3 is losing 870 theatres this weekend.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/counts/chart/?yr=2006&wk=24&p=.htm

Ouch. But had to happen. 2,810 is still pretty good thou.:) Should still stay in the million mark each day this week.

[Advanced Dark]

Won't have much of an effect since most of the theatres were not even 3/4 full now anyways. Fewer theatres with more people in them.

[Advanced Dark]

Hey guys check this out!

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/latest-summer-movie-tracking-pirates-2-biggest-opening-ever-superman-not-at-x-men-levels-click-looking-strong/

Latest Summer Movie Tracking: Pirates 2 Biggest Opening Ever; Superman Not At X-Men 3 Levels; Click Looking Strong (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/latest-summer-movie-tracking-pirates-2-biggest-opening-ever-superman-not-at-x-men-levels-click-looking-strong/)

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/45/450/450404/Pirates.jpg
Come ‘n’ get your latest summer movie tracking… What I told you a week ago (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/pirates-of-the-caribbean-2-tracking-monster/) still holds true: Pirates of the Caribbean 2 came on huge today. The Disney sequel starring Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley is primed to become the biggest opening ever. (Record is held by Spiderman 1, which grossed $114.8 million in May 2002.) Sony’s Click, which has the June 23rd weekend to itself, is looking at a reliable $40 mil opening that Adam Sandler seems to have patented at that studio (same as his other comedies 50 First Dates, Mr. Deeds, Anger Management, etc.) The next week, Superman Returns on June 28th appears ready to open strong but not at X-Men 3 levels. Looking good for June 30th is Fox’s The Devil Wears Prada (though I’m cautioned that three adult female movies opening in the same month may be asking a lot of that audience).
http://latinoreview.com/films_2006/paramount/nacholibre/images/nl-1a.jpgFinally, this weekend is turning into a big mess with four separate openings, none of which will beat Disney-Pixar’s Cars. Paramount’s Jack Black comedy Nacho Libre should come in a strong second with a mid-twenties take. Universal’s Fast and Furious 3 will be third with an opening in the high teens. And Warner Bros continues its lame summer since The Lake House won’t muster better than fourth.

[Avalanche]

Oh so were're basing SR returns on just one review......thiers alot more positve reviews out their and its in the superman forum..thats the only negative one
I don't understanding the bashing. Yes, it's a rival to X3 on some level, but that doesn't mean X3 fans need to bash it. Having seen a few clips of Superman Returns now, I'm actually really looking forward to it. I have a feeling I'll like it more than X3, which I never thought I'd be saying a few months back.

[narrows101]

Interesting stuff:

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/latest-summer-movie-tracking-pirates-2-biggest-opening-ever-superman-not-at-x-men-levels-click-looking-strong/

Latest Summer Movie Tracking: Pirates 2 Biggest Opening Ever; Superman Not At X-Men 3 Levels; Click Looking Strong

Come ‘n’ get your latest summer movie tracking… What I told you a week ago (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/pirates-of-the-caribbean-2-tracking-monster/) still holds true: Pirates of the Caribbean 2 came on huge today. The Disney sequel starring Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley is primed to become the biggest opening ever. (Record is held by Spiderman 1, which grossed $114.8 million in May 2002.) Sony’s Click, which has the June 23rd weekend to itself, is looking at a reliable $40 mil opening that Adam Sandler seems to have patented at that studio (same as his other comedies 50 First Dates, Mr. Deeds, Anger Management, etc.) The next week, Superman Returns on June 28th appears ready to open strong but not at X-Men 3 levels. Looking good for June 30th is Fox’s The Devil Wears Prada (though I’m cautioned that three adult female movies opening in the same month may be asking a lot of that audience).

[LEX]

Interesting stuff:

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/latest-summer-movie-tracking-pirates-2-biggest-opening-ever-superman-not-at-x-men-levels-click-looking-strong/

Latest Summer Movie Tracking: Pirates 2 Biggest Opening Ever; Superman Not At X-Men 3 Levels; Click Looking Strong

Come ‘n’ get your latest summer movie tracking… What I told you a week ago (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/pirates-of-the-caribbean-2-tracking-monster/) still holds true: Pirates of the Caribbean 2 came on huge today. The Disney sequel starring Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley is primed to become the biggest opening ever. (Record is held by Spiderman 1, which grossed $114.8 million in May 2002.) Sony’s Click, which has the June 23rd weekend to itself, is looking at a reliable $40 mil opening that Adam Sandler seems to have patented at that studio (same as his other comedies 50 First Dates, Mr. Deeds, Anger Management, etc.) The next week, Superman Returns on June 28th appears ready to open strong but not at X-Men 3 levels. Looking good for June 30th is Fox’s The Devil Wears Prada (though I’m cautioned that three adult female movies opening in the same month may be asking a lot of that audience).
Advanced Dark already posted that two posts above you. :p

[narrows101]

Advanced Dark already posted that two posts above you. :p
Oops! We must have crossed and he beat me to it! It wasn't there when I checked the thread!

[Advanced Dark]

Boxofficeguru will have international Mon-Thur #'s tonight. Hopefully another 3-5 million.

[Milkman95]

Yeah, I don't see SR opening as big as X3, but it does have a shot at making more overall because it seems like it's going to be one heck of a film which will have something for everybody.

Pirates 2 should beat Spidey's record too - SR should drop at least 55% that weekend unfortunately..........

[Advanced Dark]

55%? I'd say more like 65% easily unless Superman is just so good people can't get enough. Pirates "should" just obliterate it though 2nd place won't be bad.

[Milkman95]

55%? I'd say more like 65% easily unless Superman is just so good people can't get enough. Pirates "should" just obliterate it though 2nd place won't be bad.

Well, that was just a guess - Pirates could be sold out a lot and people will end up seeing Supes, who knows.

It could drop that much, no doubt - should be interesting to see if SR holds up better against the most anticipated film of the year instead of X3 setting a record for the largest post Memorial Day weekend drop in the history of film and losing to a lackluster romantic comedy.

[Advanced Dark]

^ The drop means nothing. It made so damn much money in the first 4 days way way way over what anyone expected that even the 2nd weekend figures were inline with estimates before the film was released. The Break Up was not lackluster to me. I thought it was funny as hell.

"He didn't kick my ass he distracted me with dance moves..."

Anyone remember exactly what the line was. I was rolling.

[obeastdyke]

Awesome hold for X-men from tues-wed. Only -1% drop. Awesome.

[Carp Man]

I don't understanding the bashing. Yes, it's a rival to X3 on some level, but that doesn't mean X3 fans need to bash it. Having seen a few clips of Superman Returns now, I'm actually really looking forward to it. I have a feeling I'll like it more than X3, which I never thought I'd be saying a few months back.

Great looking trailers, don't equate to a great movie. Trailers are when they put their best foot forward. I've seen some sharp trailers, then the movie disapointed. Remember your seeing what 2 minutes of a 2 hour movie ?

[Carp Man]

Yeah, I don't see SR opening as big as X3, but it does have a shot at making more overall because it seems like it's going to be one heck of a film which will have something for everybody.

Pirates 2 should beat Spidey's record too - SR should drop at least 55% that weekend unfortunately..........

Well Milk glad you finally see the light. No way SR will open as big as X3. There is still hope for you. :) 55 % ? Little low there IMO. I would say more in the 60 to 70 % range. In my non humble, biased opinion. :thing: Either way, I shall be keeping a close eye starting June 28th. I will have the #'s as always.

[GL's Light]

Of course SR will have a smaller 3-day opening than X3 - it has a longer running time and it's opening on a Wednesday (well, Tuesday night actually). The key for SR is how much it makes over its first week and how good the legs are.

[Pickle-El]

Interesting stuff:

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/latest-summer-movie-tracking-pirates-2-biggest-opening-ever-superman-not-at-x-men-levels-click-looking-strong/

Latest Summer Movie Tracking: Pirates 2 Biggest Opening Ever; Superman Not At X-Men 3 Levels; Click Looking Strong

Come ‘n’ get your latest summer movie tracking… What I told you a week ago (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/pirates-of-the-caribbean-2-tracking-monster/) still holds true: Pirates of the Caribbean 2 came on huge today. The Disney sequel starring Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley is primed to become the biggest opening ever. (Record is held by Spiderman 1, which grossed $114.8 million in May 2002.) Sony’s Click, which has the June 23rd weekend to itself, is looking at a reliable $40 mil opening that Adam Sandler seems to have patented at that studio (same as his other comedies 50 First Dates, Mr. Deeds, Anger Management, etc.) The next week, Superman Returns on June 28th appears ready to open strong but not at X-Men 3 levels. Looking good for June 30th is Fox’s The Devil Wears Prada (though I’m cautioned that three adult female movies opening in the same month may be asking a lot of that audience).


Also remember, it's just starting to REALLY kick in right now for the SR hype.....POTC2 should be a given for a huge weekend. If it breaks Spidey's record...I'll be very surprised. That isn't something I think anyone is expecting.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Um...are we tracking X3's box office or some other movie's? Seems like some are more focused on dragging competitors down than talking about the Mutants' money. :cool:

[flavio_lebeau]

so X3 hasnt even made X2's money yet? :( wow...

[GL's Light]

so X3 hasnt even made X2's money yet? :( wow...
It will by the end of this weekend - at least domestically.

[Carp Man]

Um...are we tracking X3's box office or some other movie's? Seems like some are more focused on dragging competitors down than talking about the Mutants' money. :cool:

Tearing down ? Me ? :eek: Heaven forbit. But we all know comparisions will be made with SR's box office #'s and X 3's. It is inevatable. Like the sun rising every day. Like FF vs BB. I haven't torn anything down. In fact it is not as big a deal, because we are not talking FF vs SR. That would be a horse of a different color. You know my fanatisim when it comes to FF.

[liamoversion2]

It will by the end of this weekend - at least domestically.


just barely though...

[WorthyStevens]

just barely though...

It'll still overtake it...

[danoyse]

I don't want to see Pirates or Superman get lousy reviews (fanboy rants excluded :rolleyes:). I've been looking forward to both of them, so I hope they're good.

And I will be checking out the mutants one more time before SR/Pirates rush. :cool:

[WorthyStevens]

Superman's getting some great reviews so far. Out of 13 reviews posted on RT, only 1 review was negative.

[sonicphoto]

X3 will probably reach at least 250 millions if they don't remove it from theaters so soon.

[crappymovie]

Um...are we tracking X3's box office or some other movie's? Seems like some are more focused on dragging competitors down than talking about the Mutants' money. :cool:

It was good to assess the competition at first, but maybe, we should let the films open instead of prediciting their success/failure?

How does Pirates's box office change X3's? How does Superman Returns's box office change X3's? They are completely different films....:up:

[Carp Man]

It was good to assess the competition at first, but maybe, we should let the films open instead of prediciting their success/failure?

How does Pirates's box office change X3's? How does Superman Returns's box office change X3's? They are completely different films....:up:

Doesn't change anything. Just bragging rights. :) Superman DC, X 3 Marvel. As simple as that. :up:

[crappymovie]

Doesn't change anything. Just bragging rights. :) Superman DC, X 3 Marvel. As simple as that. :up:

I get it. :up:

But what if Superman does better than X3? What if it has better reviews? What if it falls less than 67% when faced with Pirates? ;)

[Chris Wallace]

Who cares? It's not like X3 is gonna flop. And it doesn't mean one's a better movie than the other. Only in certain people's eyes.
Besides, the worst grade I saw X3 get was a B-.

[danoyse]

Who cares? It's not like X3 is gonna flop. And it doesn't mean one's a better movie than the other. Only in certain people's eyes.
Besides, the worst grade I saw X3 get was a B-.

Exactly. It's just a chance for fanatical fans of either to go on about how much *better* their movie was. Whatever. :rolleyes:

We were talking about X3 at work this morning. Everyone liked it a lot, and one person said "there better be a Wolverine movie!"

I could almost hear the thunder crashing from these boards when she said that. :p

[crappymovie]

Exactly. It's just a chance for fanatical fans of either to go on about how much *better* their movie was. Whatever. :rolleyes:

We were talking about X3 at work this morning. Everyone liked it a lot, and one person said "there better be a Wolverine movie!"

I could almost hear the thunder crashing from these boards when she said that. :p

:rolleyes:

Wow, that's so weird. I went down to the daycare to drop off my brother, and all the kids thought Garfield 2 was 10x better than X3. I think someone mentioned "I hope Gawfield gets another movie, becawse at least they wespected his comic stwip origins."

But I agree, box office comparisons of different franchises is pointless, because they havecompletely different backgrounds. It's like expecting Batman Begins to open as big as X2: they have completely different set-ups (one was preceeded by X-Men....the other by Batman & Robin.) So just evaluate the film for what it is, an average film which has made very good profit. Just not the most profitable film in the franchise. Still good work. :up:

[danoyse]

:rolleyes:

Wow, that's so weird. I went down to the daycare to drop off my brother, and all the kids thought Garfield 2 was 10x better than X3. I think someone mentioned "I hope Gawfield gets another movie, becawse at least they wespected his comic stwip origins."

They were all at the midnight show, were they?

And that dog looks nothing like Odie. :p

[josh8]

And that dog looks nothing like Odie. :p

haha i know! i dont think a real life dog can look like odie... they'd need to CGI the tongue.

[lordofthenerds]

According to Showbiz Data X3 made 1.4 million Thursday a 39% drop from yesterday.
http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

[DarknessOfDeath]

so whats the buzz?

[GL's Light]

According to Showbiz Data X3 made 1.4 million Thursday a 39% drop from yesterday.
http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm
That's a drop of 6.7% from Wednesday.

[WorthyStevens]

According to Showbiz Data X3 made 1.4 million Thursday a 39% drop from yesterday.
http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

It actually only dropped 4.7% from Wednesday. It dropped 39.7% from last Thursday.

[GL's Light]

BOM has the Thursday actuals:

$ 1,439,364 (- 4.7%) for a domestic total of $ 208,398,600.

[WorthyStevens]

Just for comparison...

Week 3 totals:

X1 - $19,220,059, for a total of $129,476,113 so far...
X2 - $22,089,707, for a total of $178,960,445 so far...
X3 - $22,232,526, for a total of $208,398,600 so far...

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=vs-xmen.htm

[josh8]

it actually had the 2nd lowest wed-to-thurs drop out of the top ten. it's not holding up too badly. it still has a chance of 245mil total.

[josh8]

Just for comparison...

Week 3 totals:

X1 - $19,220,059, for a total of $129,476,113 so far...
X2 - $22,089,707, for a total of $178,960,445 so far...
X3 - $22,232,526, for a total of $208,398,600 so far...

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=vs-xmen.htm

yay, finally and up week since week one. maybe it's recovering a little.

[Carp Man]

I get it. :up:

But what if Superman does better than X3? What if it has better reviews? What if it falls less than 67% when faced with Pirates? ;)

My response will be.......... So ? I may be wroung, but.......... So what ? The world still goes round and round, the sun will still shine tomorrow.......... So ?

[GL's Light]

My response will be.......... So ?
But you'll die a little inside. :p

[Carp Man]

Week 1 $ 141,331,162.
Week 2 $ 44,834,912----68.2 % drop.
Week 3 $ 22,232,526----54.8 % drop.

[Advanced Dark]

The only thing is Superman & Pirates have not other action competition for quite some time. A Scanner Darkly isn't exactly a box office mega-hit in the making, and not till Lady in the Water & Monster House are their any more potential big hits. Monster House looks like alot of fun and should do better than Cars.

[Carp Man]

But you'll die a little inside. :p

edit.....

[Carp Man]

But you'll die a little inside. :p

Nah. This is for fun. Not life and death. Just a little good compention. :) Now if this was SR Vs FF, then It's life and death. :p Just take a look at my post from The Thing 2005 from last year from the time FF opened. Had to get a baseball bat, and brass knuckles to beat the BB fanboys in the FF forums.

[josh8]

SR is not going to fall that hard. since it opens on a wed (or tuesday night, cant remember), it's going to have a soft first weekend. it isnt a ball-out-of-the-park franchise yet so i'm guessing it'll perform a little like batman begins but with stronger initial numbers.

[DarknessOfDeath]

no its not funny. :( the poor little cykes died 4 days after it was born :(

[DarknessOfDeath]

What if it was you?

[lordofthenerds]

maybe you should ask AD... ? god... too much graphic-ness.

the point of posting the pic was b/c its called CYCLOPS!
...i still think its pointless. :o

[Advanced Dark]

Sorry. :(

[Carp Man]

Sorry. :(

Don't let it bother you. Some just have well you know what kind of minds. I'm cool with it. I know why you posted it, and didn't have a problem till someone laughed at it.

[Chris Wallace]

I want it to break 260.

[danoyse]

Wow, this thread got weird. :eek:

[Lightning Strykez!]

Wow. Some people just took some hits to their post counts.

Not sure why the thread here devolved into...whatever it was...but let's continue discussing the box office--those are the details that users are checking for.

If that can't be done, I can close this discussion and we can just log on to Mojo's site for the updates.

[Advanced Dark]

Wow. Some people just took some hits to their post counts.

Not sure why the thread here devolved into...whatever it was...but let's continue discussing the box office--those are the details that users are checking for.

If that can't be done, I can close this discussion and we can just log on to Mojo's site for the updates.

We're done LS. We just went insane for a little while. :)

[DarknessOfDeath]

I still have sympathy for Cy - the mutant kitty with one eye. :(

[Iceman]

Wow. Some people just took some hits to their post counts.

Not sure why the thread here devolved into...whatever it was...but let's continue discussing the box office--those are the details that users are checking for.

If that can't be done, I can close this discussion and we can just log on to Mojo's site for the updates.
Yeah - I don't think it's happened too much in this thread but please try and cut out the off topic talk guys - Thanks :up:




What were the general predictions for this weekend (anyone)?

[Carp Man]

We're done LS. We just went insane for a little while. :)



You started it. :p For once you can't blame me. LOL

[Advanced Dark]

^ Nuh uh you started it. I'm telling!!!!

[GL's Light]

Yeah - I don't think it's happened too much in this thread but please try and cut out the off topic talk guys - Thanks :up:

What were the general predictions for this weekend (anyone)?
Sorry about the off topic diversion (although it was fun), won't happen again.

BOM and Box Office Guru are both predicting an $ 8 million take for X3 this weekend, which sounds about right to me.

[Advanced Dark]

I figured 7-7.5 million domestic and with S.Korea don't know what to expect international.

[GL's Light]

South Korea is playing France in the World Cup on Sunday. I wonder how that'll impact X3's South Korean debut.

[Iceman]

Sorry about the off topic diversion (although it was fun), won't happen again.

BOM and Box Office Guru are both predicting an $ 8 million take for X3 this weekend, which sounds about right to me.Don't worry. It's been pretty good until recently - probably as the box office has slowed down now. :up:

So with $8m we should overtake X2 this weekend. Hopefully it can last a little longer and get to $235-240m territory.
I figured 7-7.5 million domestic and with S.Korea don't know what to expect international.

South Korea is playing France in the World Cup on Sunday. I wonder how that'll impact X3's South Korean debut.
I'd expect that to crush X3's potential BO. Despite X-Men being my biggest fanboy obsession of all, I don't think I would miss England in the World Cup for it.

[TheBrotherhood]

It looks like it will get about a 10 million weekend, and possibly could finish at 250 million.

[Carp Man]

Amazing BOM predicts Cars, Nacho Libre, TFATF. Nacho over TFATF ?

[Iceman]

It looks like it will get about a 10 million weekend, and possibly could finish at 250 million.$250m was the minimum figure that I would have been happy with before that opening weekend. After the heavy week-on-week falls, $250m would be a good final total.

[GL's Light]

Amazing BOM predicts Cars, Nacho Libre, TFATF. Nacho over TFATF ?
That's what studio tracking is predicting, too. Be interesting to see how accurate the tracking is this week.

[Carp Man]

It looks like it will get about a 10 million weekend, and possibly could finish at 250 million.

I say by the time SR opens June 28th, it will have about 230 million domestic. 8 to 10 million this weekend is good. 10 million would put it at 218 million. then about 12 million between June 19th and the 27th. Don't see it getting any less then a million a day Mon, thru Thur.

[Amm-arD]

so how much was the X3 budget?? and the profit of the film has been....?

[Downhere]

so how much was the X3 budget?? and the profit of the film has been....?

There is controversy in regard to the budget...I stick with the reported 165 million dollar budget with 45 million for domestic markeing and probably another 45 million for international markeing...so 255 million total budget.

It will likely just break even or make a little profit from it's theatrical run. For example, if it ends at $450 million worldwide, Fox should get around 55% of that which would be around $250 million. Fox will make all the profit from the dvd's, merchandise, etc. Either way, Fox will be happy with what it gets.

[Carp Man]

There is controversy in regard to the budget...I stick with the reported 165 million dollar budget with 45 million for domestic markeing and probably another 45 million for international markeing...so 255 million total budget.

It will likely just break even or make a little profit from it's theatrical run. For example, if it ends at $450 million worldwide, Fox should get around 55% of that which would be around $250 million. Fox will make all the profit from the dvd's, merchandise, etc. Either way, Fox will be happy with what it gets.

By the time it is all said and done, Fox, and Marvel will be crying all the way to the bank. :up:

[GL's Light]

By the time it is all said and done, Fox, and Marvel will be crying all the way to the bank. :up:
Marvel will be crying because their deal with Fox is so bad that they get almost no revenue from the X-Men films. Fox keeps almost all of it.

[FaT_tONle]

Don't worry. It's been pretty good until recently - probably as the box office has slowed down now. :up:

So with $8m we should overtake X2 this weekend. Hopefully it can last a little longer and get to $235-240m territory.



I'd expect that to crush X3's potential BO. Despite X-Men being my biggest fanboy obsession of all, I don't think I would miss England in the World Cup for it.

Dude England is horrible... they will be out in the 2nd round

[Carp Man]

Marvel will be crying because their deal with Fox is so bad that they get almost no revenue from the X-Men films. Fox keeps almost all of it.

Marvel gets 45 % of the boxoffice. I don't know what % they get from DVD sales, merchandising ect.

[GL's Light]

Marvel gets 45 % of the boxoffice. I don't know what % they get from DVD sales, merchandising ect.
They certainly don't get 45% of the box office. That's crazy talk, CM. Fox gets about 55% of the box office, and Marvel then gets a very small cut of that.

Edit to add: Here's some info from a CNN Money article:

The much-anticipated X-Men: The Last Stand pulled in a boffo North American box office of $107 million this weekend. You'd think that would be good news for Marvel Entertainment, the creator of the X-Men comic-book series, which has seen films based on its characters gross more than $3.6 billion to date.

But Twentieth Century Fox, the film studio that produced and released the movie, is raking in the lion's share of the X-Men film's profits. Marvel is set to make well under 10 percent of the gross profits under a licensing deal it struck years ago.

Note that Marvel gets 10% of the gross profits, that means that they get 10% of Fox's take, rather than 10% of the overall box office. Horrible deal - Marvel sees very little money from it.

[Iceman]

Dude England is horrible... they will be out in the 2nd roundSo far yes they have been. :(

I live in hope though.


Go here if you want to discuss it http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232504 so we don't get told off for off topic talk. :up:

[Advanced Dark]

Marvel's deal with X-Men and Blade sucked but having a huge box office like this benefits Marvel in another way that's more valuable. It proves that the genre is not a fad, it proves the value of their content, and it infuses more confidence in the studios who own the rights to Marvel films to keep making sequels or spin-offs. This is exactly the reason Fox will never stop making X-Men films and spin-offs. You'd have to be a moron to think this is Fox's last X-Men film. It's Fox's most profitable franchise ever and it's not showing any lack of interest. Of course there will be sequels, prequels, and spin-offs for decades to come with new directors, new cast, new characters, and new storylines. X3 making 450+ worldwide at the box office means alot, Ghost Rider making a healthy profit means even more because it's a lesser known character. It also shows the value of Marvel's characters and content when compared to dissapointments like Mission Impossible 3, DaVinci, Over the Hedge, Poseidon, & Cars which all did less than expected in the domestic marketplace. The international market is saving these films. I just can't wait till Ghost Rider is here because if it's as big as it should be Sony will finally greenlight Luke Cage.

Note: Marvel missing out on some big profits is exactly why they took out 525 million line of credit to make their own films and not sell the rights anymore.

[GL's Light]

SBD has their Friday estimates up:

1. Nacho Libre - $ 10.925 million
2. The Fast and the Furious 3 - $ 9.225 million
3. Cars - $ 8.949 million
4. The Lake House - $ 5.065 million
5. The Break-Up - $ 3.254 million
6. Garfield 2 - $ 2.390 million
7. X3 - $ 2.133 million

Looks like the drop for X3 will be steep. It'll likely make less than $ 7 million for the weekend.

[Advanced Dark]

Not bad at all. Figure 3-3.5 million on Saturday and another 1.7-1.8 on Sunday. Not bad at all. Pushes us past X2's after international too.

[GL's Light]

Not bad at all. Figure 3-3.5 million on Saturday and another 1.7-1.8 on Sunday. Not bad at all. Pushes us past X2's after international too.
It's unlikely to make more than $ 2.8-2.9 million on Saturday. A rise of about a third is about the best it can hope for.

Edit to add: If the multiplier is good, it could have a weekend just slightly over $ 7 million.

[antariksh]

SBD has their Friday estimates up:

1. Nacho Libre - $ 10.925 million
2. The Fast and the Furious 3 - $ 9.225 million
3. Cars - $ 8.949 million
4. The Lake House - $ 5.065 million
5. The Break-Up - $ 3.254 million
6. Garfield 2 - $ 2.390 million
7. X3 - $ 2.133 million

Looks like the drop for X3 will be steep. It'll likely make less than $ 7 million for the weekend.


HAHAHAHAHAH look at all the movies. They got screwed due to Nacho libre and Fast and the Furious 3.

And look at CARS that movie dropped to third spot. HAHAHAHAHA PIXAR's first dissapointment. Honestly guys with CLICK coming out next weekend and then SR, CARS will NOT do more than $210-220 million GUARANTEED.

This means the TOP 3 movies of SUMMER DOMESTIC BOXOFFICE will be
1) POTC2
2) SR or X3
3) X3 or SR.

[Advanced Dark]

HAHAHAHAHAH look at all the movies. They got screwed due to Nacho libre and Fast and the Furious 3.

And look at CARS that movie dropped to third spot. HAHAHAHAHA PIXAR's first dissapointment. Honestly guys with CLICK coming out next weekend and then SR, CARS will NOT do more than $210-220 million GUARANTEED.

This means the TOP 3 movies of SUMMER DOMESTIC BOXOFFICE will be
1) POTC2
2) SR or X3
3) X3 or SR.

That's clear as a bell unless there's some surprise. Cars doing so poorly isn't a surprise at all. Should have waited till the Winter to release it away from all the big boys. Cars are not as interesting to kids as talking fish, ogres, and superheroes. Cars won't even make 170 domestic.

[danoyse]

And look at CARS that movie dropped to third spot. HAHAHAHAHA PIXAR's first dissapointment. Honestly guys with CLICK coming out next weekend and then SR, CARS will NOT do more than $210-220 million GUARANTEED.

I liked "Cars". Why do you want it to flop? :confused:

[danoyse]

Cars are not as interesting to kids as talking fish, ogres, and superheroes. Cars won't even make 170 domestic.

As the cousin of a truck-obsessed 2-year-old, and the sister of a pre-school teacher whose kids (and parents) raved about the movie this week, I would have to disagree. :O

And haven't they said the grosses will probably go up for "Cars" once more of the schools are out for the summer?

[Advanced Dark]

I'll see Cars on DVD but Pixar steps on other peoples properties and improves them. There's not an original bit in any of there films. Most of them are awesome but just subtlely stolen ideas from the likes of 70's cartoons, The Fantastic Four, Speedbuggy, Disney animation, The Nutcracker, etc...Incredibles was such a rip off it made me wanna throw up. So as a Marvel shareholder it gets to me a bit though I enjoy the films I hope they flop.

[antariksh]

I liked "Cars". Why do you want it to flop? :confused:

becasue i HATE PIXAR all of their movies are OVERRATED.

They think they are the best. They are NOT. The only movie i liked from them was The Incredibles.

[Advanced Dark]

As the cousin of a truck-obsessed 2-year-old, and the sister of a pre-school teacher whose kids (and parents) raved about the movie this week, I would have to disagree. :O

And haven't they said the grosses will probably go up for "Cars" once more of the schools are out for the summer?

So because you have a truck obsessed 2 year old the statistics & interests of the entire country are connected to him? Of course there are exceptions to any rule but in general cartoon talking cars are not as interesting as the genre's and characters I mentioned, and no way in hell will Car's Box office go up on any succeeding week or weekend. With Pirates 2 and Superman coming out...it's almost over for Cars. I'm sure it's a good film but the box office clearly shows a lack of interest compared to Pixars earlier more interesting films.

[danoyse]

And as a Disney shareholder, I wish them all the luck in the world. :up:

But as an animation fan, I really do love the Pixar films because I think they still tell great stories that are still funny without being as obnoxious as so many of the computer-animated movies try to be today.

Most of my friends have small kids (the oldest is 7), and as funny as I thought "Madagascar" was, when the Chris Rock character yelled "Oh sugar-honey-iced-tea!" in once scene, all I could think was "Aw man, my cousin is going to see this!" :mad:

[Advanced Dark]

^ Damn Disney sucked a week out of my life earlier in the month in 92 degree heat and 95% humidity in massive crowds in Florida. Blah.

No doubt Pixar films are fun to watch. I just hope they all flop myself. Madagascar is DWA and was so so to me.

[Advanced Dark]

They certainly don't get 45% of the box office. That's crazy talk, CM. Fox gets about 55% of the box office, and Marvel then gets a very small cut of that.

Edit to add: Here's some info from a CNN Money article:



Note that Marvel gets 10% of the gross profits, that means that they get 10% of Fox's take, rather than 10% of the overall box office. Horrible deal - Marvel sees very little money from it.

Marvel however gets money from other revenue streams because of X-Men's release from sponsors, toys, video games, apparell, puzzles, beach towels, back yard jumpers, plates, cups, mugs, pins, license plate covers, screen savers, boost in other X-Men movie and animation sales, etc...The list goes on forever really. Still Hulk 2 and Iron Man will be the biggest money makers directly for Marvel...ever.

[GL's Light]

Marvel however gets money from other revenue streams because of X-Men's release from sponsors, toys, video games, apparell, puzzles, beach towels, back yard jumpers, plates, cups, mugs, pins, license plate covers, screen savers, boost in other X-Men movie and animation sales, etc...The list goes on forever really. Still Hulk 2 and Iron Man will be the biggest money makers directly for Marvel...ever.
Yup, they make money from X-Men merchandising, no doubt. I was talking about their split of the box office, and that deal is horrible - as you've railed on about yourself.

[danoyse]

So because you have a truck obsessed 2 year old the statistics & interests of the entire country are connected to him?

Well, how accurate a statement from you was this? "Cars are not as interesting to kids as talking fish, ogres, and superheroes."

Have you spoken to every child in America to know this for sure? :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to make an accurate statistical statement. I'm surrounded by friends with small kids who LOVE cars. My sister's a preschool teacher. I told her I'd seen the movie this week and she told me all her kids in class saw it over the weekend and loved, as well as their parents.

Just going on personal experience here. :)


Of course there are exceptions to any rule but in general cartoon talking cars are not as interesting as the genre's and characters I mentioned, and no way in hell will Car's Box office go up on any succeeding week or weekend.

How many animated talking cars movies have there been, exactly? No, it's not going to rise to number #1 agan and crush Superman and reign over the summer. Neither will X-Men 3. But it's going to do well and make it's money. It's Disney, for god's sake.

With Pirates 2 and Superman coming out...it's almost over for Cars. I'm sure it's a good film but the box office clearly shows a lack of interest compared to Pixars earlier more interesting films.

Again, it's Disney...they'll make their money.

[danoyse]

^ Damn Disney sucked a week out of my life earlier in the month in 92 degree heat and 95% humidity in massive crowds in Florida. Blah.

I was in the August in 102-degree heat and humidity, we were getting the edges of Hurricane Katrina, I was there with 2 six-year-olds, and I still had a good time. :)

[antariksh]

Well, how accurate a statement from you was this? "Cars are not as interesting to kids as talking fish, ogres, and superheroes."

Have you spoken to every child in America to know this for sure? :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to make an accurate statistical statement. I'm surrounded by friends with small kids who LOVE cars. My sister's a preschool teacher. I told her I'd seen the movie this week and she told me all her kids in class saw it over the weekend and loved, as well as their parents.

Just going on personal experience here. :)




How many animated talking cars movies have there been, exactly? No, it's not going to rise to number #1 agan and crush Superman and reign over the summer. Neither will X-Men 3. But it's going to do well and make it's money. It's Disney, for god's sake.



Again, it's Disney...they'll make their money.

DISNEY will be kinda dissapointed if CARS drops anywhere between 48-52% this weekend.

I mean common guys if CARS drops that much against movies like Nacho Libre and FATF3, then imagine how much SR will drop on its second weeked when POTC2 comes out. I am talking about SR being annihilated by POTC2.

[GL's Light]

I'll see Cars on DVD but Pixar steps on other peoples properties and improves them. There's not an original bit in any of there films. Most of them are awesome but just subtlely stolen ideas from the likes of 70's cartoons, The Fantastic Four, Speedbuggy, Disney animation, The Nutcracker, etc...Incredibles was such a rip off it made me wanna throw up. So as a Marvel shareholder it gets to me a bit though I enjoy the films I hope they flop.
Meh, everyone draws from past influences in creating characters and story concepts. Pixar does it. Stan Lee did it. Bob Kane did it. No difference.

Edit to add: BOM's Friday estimates are up. They're slightly different, as usual, to SBD's:

1. Nacho Libre - $ 11 million
2. F & F 3 - $ 9.25 million
3. Cars - $ 9.005 million
4. The Lake House - $ 5.15 million
5. The Break-Up - $ 3.215 million
6. Garfield 2 - $ 2.375 million
7. X3 - $ 2.15 million

[Advanced Dark]

Draws is one thing? Just swapping powers and changing the color of one's uniform from blue to red is another. The Incredibles is the most extreme example of a rip-off ever made.

Fantastic-Incredible
4 team members-4 team members
Husband stretches-wife stretches
The Thing(big strong guy)-Mr. Incredible
Silver Surfer/Ice-Man-Frozone
Wife has force fields and can turn invisible-daughter can do it.
Villain w/electric bolts come out of his hands...ditto.
Moleman = Underminer

....the list just goes on and on and they gave zero credit to the Fantastic Four as the main influence. I think Bird mentioned it once within a group of 20 other so called influences. Yeah right. It was influenced by the Fantastic Four alone.

[antariksh]

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1204671-2-7_1||233612|1_,00.html

HAHHAHAHA SR has a budget of $350+ million. Here's EW Magazine's Assessment of this movie, the cost to make it which all together with Marketing included cost 363 Million to make and they say this movie will have to gross 300 Million DOMESTICALLY and 600 Million WORLDWIDE in order for it not to become a FLOP..





Greatest American Hero?
It took nearly two decades (and over $350 million) to bring ''Superman Returns'' to theaters. Now the Man of Steel faces his biggest challenge -- winning over Generation-X Men. by Jeff Jensen



ROUTH AS THE NEW MAN OF STEEL


His eyes are Bambi brown, not Superman blue. In the face, he seems more Superboy than Man of Steel, even though at 26, Brandon Routh is the same age Christopher Reeve was when the late actor assumed the mythic mantle almost 30 years ago. But these are quibbles. As he stands on the set of Superman Returns, filling out his unforgiving body sock with supreme self-confidence, Routh at least looks the part, especially after he puts his tinted contacts in. Now it's time to see if he can fly. We mean this literally: Routh is about to go up, up, and away into the rafters of Fox Studios in Sydney, Australia. We're inside one of the many cavernous warehouses occupied by the production, on the rooftop set of the Daily Planet, Metropolis' biggest newspaper and the employer of both Clark Kent (Superman's bumbling alter ego) and spelling-challenged ace reporter Lois Lane (Bosworth). Filming is under way on an emotionally charged moment: Superman's reunion with Lane, his former flame, after a five-year absence spent searching for his homeworld of Krypton. Alas, Lois has moved on. She's engaged to Richard White (James Marsden), nephew of Planet editor Perry White (Frank Langella). She even has a son. A son who's around 5 years old. Hmmm...

They conclude their awkward rendezvous. Say their goodbyes. And with that, a crew member pushes a button and a computerized rigging system tugs on the harness under Routh's suit, hoisting him into the air. His curly forelock flutters in the breeze. Routh smiles. He keeps ramrod-perfect form, all the way to the rafters. Then he descends, his cape spreading above him like an unfurled flag.

But it's not good enough for director Bryan Singer. Sitting behind a bank of monitors, the famously demanding helmer of the first two X-Men films doesn't like the way Routh's arms look during flight. He wants to see him do it again, this time with two arms in front, hands fisted.

And again, this time bringing one arm up.

And again. And again. And — TWANGGGGGGGG!

''What was that?'' asks Singer.

That was the sound of Routh hitting a rafter.

There's a hush. Everyone looks up in the sky to see if the franchise is falling.

Routh is brought down — he's fine. ''I guess everyone thought I was unconscious because I didn't say anything,'' Routh recalls later. ''But I didn't say anything because Kate was down below, and the camera was shooting her. I didn't want to disturb her.''

Aw, shucks. What a sweetie! Polite. Selfless. Noble. Exactly the kind of guy you expect Superman to be. Exactly the kind of guy Superman has always been since his debut in Action Comics No. 1 in 1938, the proverbial Big Bang of superhero fiction. And exactly the kind of guy everyone thinks of as...a big bore. Take it from Routh himself: ''People say that Superman is unrelatable. A Boy Scout. White bread. Just a dumb comic-book character.'' Here on the verge of good ol' Superman's splashy reentry into mainstream pop culture, the risky $363 million question for Superman Returns (out June 28) is this: Can anyone still believe in good ol' Superman anymore?



Cover Story: New 'Superman'



The answer is no. Or at least it was. Ever since 1993, when Warner Bros. (a division of EW parent Time Warner) reacquired Superman's film rights from producer Alexander Salkind, the studio seemed to think that the Man of Steel needed a modern makeover. Perhaps it was all the bizarre little bits that had never been credibly explained. How can he fly? How come no one sees through the Clark Kent disguise? How can he be so gosh-darn good? J.J. Abrams, the Mission: Impossible III writer-director who once tried his hand at making Superman relevant, suggests that the Christopher Reeve versions got a free pass on these questions. ''Superman was the movie that told us, 'You will believe a man can fly.' It did, and we bought everything that came with it,'' he says. ''Now you see flying men everywhere. Movies, TV, commercials. Even The Matrix, which in many ways was Superman reinvented. You can't just win on spectacle anymore. You have to dig deeper.''

And, it seems, go darker. Since the implosion of the Superman franchise in 1987 with Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, the superhero marketplace has grown grim and more psychologically complex, if sometimes cheaply so. Tim Burton's 1989 movie Batman epitomized the new heroic modality — a dark knight for an edgy, grungy, cynical new generation. Even DC Comics had turned against the Man of Tomorrow in 1992 by killing him off at the hands of a homicidal alien named Doomsday. (They quickly resurrected him, of course.) The gimmick sold like gangbusters. In fact, it was Warner's original intention to use that story line as the springboard to revive the franchise. Fittingly, the studio turned to Burton himself to handle the revamp. The demolition and reconstruction of Superman was on.

But it never took flight. Not with Burton. Nor with directors Brett Ratner or McG, who separately tried to bring to screen a script by Abrams. Each learned the hard way what comic-book readers have known for decades: Superman isn't obsolete. He's timeless and, perhaps, unchangeable. Still, by the summer of 2004, after 11 years and over $65 million in development costs, it seemed as if Superman would never be reborn. ''The smart thing would have been to let everything cool down, and spend some time figuring out what to do next,'' says Jeff Robinov, Warner Bros.' president of production. ''But then we heard Bryan's pitch, and we were finally in business.''

Bryan Singer is pretty old-fashioned when it comes to his superhero spandex. He wasn't even familiar with the modern comic world's reigning superstars, the X-Men, until he was pitched that film and latched onto them as an allegory for feeling freakish in a freak-hating world. He doesn't consider himself a ''comic-book guy.'' But he loves Superman. Believes in him. As a kid, he got hooked on the 1950s George Reeves TV series, and then fell hard for director Richard Donner's Superman and its cheery fantasy about the ultimate stranger in a strange land. ''I'm adopted. I'm an only child. And I have blue eyes,'' says Singer. ''When I first saw Superman and his blue eyes, I felt a very strong identification.'' Naturally, he decided to become a movie director.



Singer is also gay, a fact that he doesn't really like to talk about in the press. He admits that his sexual identity is relevant to his work, especially the outsider-themed X-Men movies. But he resists a similar reading of his current project. ''Interestingly enough,'' says Singer, ''Superman Returns is the most heterosexual movie I've ever made.''

The director has been dreaming of his own Superman project for years, though his take differed dramatically from the pitches Warner Bros. had been developing. Singer wanted to make a Superman firmly grounded in its popular history, one set in the wake of Superman II, in which the Man of Steel fought disco-suited bad guys and got busy with Lois Lane in the Fortress of Solitude. Singer wanted to use parts of John Williams' 1978 score. He wanted to use parts of Marlon Brando's performance as Superman's Kryptonian father. And, dammit, he wanted every stitch of those outrageous tights. ''Superman has a blue suit, a red cape, and an S on his chest. These are undeniable facts,'' says Singer. ''If you're going to make Superman, make Superman. Don't be afraid of it.''

Warner Bros. was well aware of Singer's Super-dreams as the McG-Abrams project was turning into a nightmare in June 2004. The studio had been developing a remake of the sci-fi flick Logan's Run with Singer, and according to Robinov, ''the subject of Superman had come up.'' As Singer was preparing to leave for Hawaii for a short vacation with his X2/Logan's Run writers Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty, Warner Bros. asked him to pitch his idea formally. The Hawaiian holiday became the first production meeting of Superman Returns. The trio envisioned a rich, romantic, biblical-feeling epic. Their plot would have a typically over-the-top Lex Luthor real estate swindle — this time, using the mysteriously powerful crystals in Superman's Fortress of Solitude to engineer the deadliest landgrab known to man. (Singer and the writers decided on the plane to pursue Kevin Spacey and Parker Posey for their villains.)

But beyond comic-book high jinks, Singer and the scribes decided they would emphasize the Man of Steel's alienation, the Superman-Lois-Richard love triangle, and the tacit mystery surrounding the paternity of Lois' son. And it would all pivot on the vaguely self-aware where did Superman go? conceit, which not only devastates Lois but spurs her to write an article called ''Why the World Doesn't Need Superman.'' ''The idea,'' says Dougherty, ''was to address the perceived irrelevancy of Superman by making a movie about the theme of his irrelevancy.''

Singer's vision would also put the franchise in line with the Superman of DC Comics and the Clark Kent of Smallville, a clever cash cow from Warner Bros. TV that kept the brand in the mainstream consciousness. Moving from revisionism to retro faster than a speeding bullet, Warner Bros. bought the pitch. Interestingly, the decision immediately followed the studio's embarrassing movie revamp of Catwoman.

[Avalanche]

^

I doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's clearly borrowed very, very heavily from Fantastic Four, in terms of powers at least, but The Incredibles was still the better film by far.

[Advanced Dark]

Incredibles was a better film and less of a risk to the studio than FF was. Doing a live action version is much more difficult...also Incredibles borrowed from the publication not from the FF film and no way in hell The Incredibles story was better than most FF stories.

[antariksh]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2006-06-16&p=.htm

looks like NACHO LIBRE will be #1 movie with $30+million.

And X3 according to them did a little more than showbizdata's estimate.

[Fanticon]

I also wanted to chime in about Cars for sec...Pixar and some expert movie analysts were saying that car enthusiasts will love Cars too...what a joke! Car lovers don't want to see cartoony, crap looking, cute windshield eyes and bumper teeth celebrity voiced garbage. I hate that Pixar thinks they can make gold with any concept...also it was said that since NASCAR is the #1 American sport right now (?) that it would be hard to resist not wanting seeing this movie...Where do they get this stuff? I had my doubts about Finding Nemo...but that movie has a really big heart and just sucks you right in...I'll admit it was a great movie...Incredibles...finally a bit more grown up and no more are they hiding involving human characters...although clearly it was a rip off of FF...Monsters Inc, I hated the pairing of Crystal and Goodman...but guess what...it was funny...a really inventive movie...but Cars...I was shaking my head the whole time because it looked like a heaping pile...thats why this movie bit the dust...because it missed its target by a mile...this movie looked like it was made for babies and kids who watch the "There goes a..." series or the "Thomas" videos...I'm not saying Pixar's "magic" is gone...but they were due for a flop...and even if this makes more money than Over the Hedge...People may not call it a total flop...but it will definitely be described as a dissapointment. And before anyone asks I haven't even seen the movie and I don't even care to...but I will once its on DVD.

[Carp Man]

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1...612|1_,00.html

Very interesting article there. I still say it will open pretty good 1st week. Then go into free fall. I like what I've seen, but hey I remeber Chris Reeve. And according to a few polls I've seen, when given a choice of which was the best Superman, between the 50's tv Superman with George Reeves, Christopher Reeves Superman, Comic book Superman, Smallville, and Lois and Clark : The New Adventures Of Superman, With Dean Cain. 67.7 % said Christopher Reeves Superman. And these are the same people who are going to come out to see SR, and expect to see a Superman movie in the vein of Reeves Superman. When you compair Roth's Superman to Reeves Superman, will the fans who remember Reeves Superman, be pleased ? From the clips I've seen, I don't think so. Word of mouth will sink it, IMO. And at 350 million total, all I have to say is good luck, making a profit.

[GL's Light]

Chris Reeve will always be the definitive Superman - but the public has already demonstrated that they'll watch other actors in the role, and I think Brandon Routh will be similarly accepted. I think SR will open well and have good legs. We'll have to wait and see to find out.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

X-Men 3 is still droping like a rock. Good friday for Nacho, I thought that the movie was very funny and I like Jack Black.

[Karea07]

did X3 surpass X2 domestic yet?

[Carp Man]

did X3 surpass X2 domestic yet?

Look at my sig. Not yet.

[DC & Marvel]

With Pirates 2 and Superman coming out...it's almost over for Cars

It is pretty much over for X-Men The Last Stand as well. This Movie will be just a memory soon

[Carp Man]

It is pretty much over for X-Men The Last Stand as well. This Movie will be just a memory soon

But a good memory. :up: And good luck.

[ultimatefan]

Well, even in its forth weekend XM TLS still is dropping above 50%. It will finish a bit above the second, but it´s basically an all-hype hit.

[DC & Marvel]

But a good memory

The only good Memory about X-Men The Last Stand = BEAST

[Carp Man]

Well, even in its forth weekend XM TLS still is dropping above 50%. It will finish a bit above the second, but it´s basically an all-hype hit.

I am breaking an old rule of mine. I am not going to argue with the unenlightened. You will see the light soon enough.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well, even in its forth weekend XM TLS still is dropping above 50%. It will finish a bit above the second, but it´s basically an all-hype hit.Agreed, it's like the most frontloaded sequel in history...I still think that a Singer helmed one would have done exactly the same though.

So much for Cars being another Finding Nemo.

[Iceman]

The rate of X3's drops doesn't seem to be slowing down. At least it made its money quickly.

[Carp Man]

Agreed, it's like the most frontloaded sequel in history...I still think that a Singer helmed one would have done exactly the same though.

So much for Cars being another Finding Nemo.

Most movies are front loaded. All movies are all hype the 1st week or 2. The movies the fans will go and see more then once maintain the edge. After 1st week, or 2 rest is repeat business. Cars was no where near a Finding Nemo. Anyone who said it was is brain dead. It's ok, but no Finding Nemo.

[Advanced Dark]

It is pretty much over for X-Men The Last Stand as well. This Movie will be just a memory soon

Yeah but the DVD comes in October and I'm all over it. It'll sell the first weekend and be #1 and make a crapload of more money and Fox will silently be talking to writers about making the Young-XMen movie a follow up to X3. They'll be talking an origin X-Men film, and if Wolverine is a hit as it should be there will be talks of Jackman signing on for Wolverine 2 & 3. Watch.

X-Men: The New Mutants

[phantom47]

I think this movie has reached a success stage already by the end of the weekend. People just need to find criticism to downgrade it. Saying its dropping fast, not enough money, blah blah blah. It seems to me that its only the hardcore fanboys who dislike the movie. Think in Fox's mind, would they make a movie for fans or everyone else. The money lies in everyone else, and overall they seem to love it. I strongly believe that the reviews were biased due to Ratner taking the helm. To me this movie was what I expected, a great action film with an emotional stroy line.

[phantom47]

BTW once the numbers come in im hoping for 8-9mil

[Carp Man]

My goodness. Garfield 2 came in 6th Friday. 2.3 million. Nacho Libre, FATF 2, Cars, Lake House, Break Up, Garfield 2, X-Men. How embarasing. Sandwiched between X-Men, and Break Up.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Most movies are front loaded. All movies are all hype the 1st week or 2. The movies the fans will go and see more then once maintain the edge. After 1st week, or 2 rest is repeat business. Cars was no where near a Finding Nemo. Anyone who said it was is brain dead. It's ok, but no Finding Nemo.Oh please most movies are not as fronloaded as this one. I'm not calling it a bad movie BTW, I haven't even seen it. I could love it but that still doesn't change the fact that it's one of the most frontloaded movie that I've ever seen.

[Carp Man]

Oh please most movies are not as fronloaded as this one. I'm not calling it a bad movie BTW, I haven't even seen it. I could love it but that still doesn't change the fact that it's one of the most frontloaded movie that I've ever seen.

Oh please yourself. All movies are front loaded to a certain point. Some more then others. Spiderman 3 ? That's a no brainer. People are going to go in droves to see it. POTC 2 ? Same. SR ? Fast start then the legs get kicked out from under it.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh please yourself. All movies are front loaded to a certain point. Some more then others. Spiderman 3 ? That's a no brainer. People are going to go in droves to see it. POTC 2 ? Same. SR ? Fast start then the legs get kicked out from under it.Unless POTC2 is a bad as the Matrix Reloaded it's legs aren't going to be nearly as bad as this movie's.

SR is not going to perform like a sequel.

Spider-Man 3's legs probably won't be as bad as X3's.

Dude, I'm not against X3, I was hoping that it would outgross the over rated X2...and it is... so fantasic.:up:

[WorthyStevens]

Unless POTC2 is a bad as the Matrix Reloaded it's legs aren't going to be nearly as bad as this movie's.

SR is not going to perform like a sequel.

Spider-Man 3's legs probably won't be as bad as X3's.

Dude, I'm not against X3, I was hoping that it would outgross the over rated X2...and it is... so fantasic.:up:

It's on course to surpass X2. ;)

[mad-sci]

You seem to forget that X3 cost $100M more to make than X2, so for X3 to surpass X2 in gross by about $30M (likely gross) is not that spectacular. If you look at the previous grosses in relation to production cost, audience awareness and critic reviews, X3 should be around $260-270M in the US alone, with a final projected gross around the $300M mark.

If the best X3 could have done was a little above X2 ($214M), do you think Fox would have really increased the budget to $210M?

[DC & Marvel]

the DVD comes in October and I'm all over it. It'll sell the first weekend and be #1

What Summer Action Movie has not been #1 the first Week on DVD :rolleyes:

[WorthyStevens]

You seem to forget that X3 cost $100M more to make than X2, so for X3 to surpass X2 in gross by about $30M (likely gross) is not that spectacular. If you look at the previous grosses in relation to production cost, audience awareness and critic reviews, X3 should be around $260-270M in the US alone, with a final projected gross around the $300M mark.

If the best X3 could have done was a little above X2 ($214M), do you think Fox would have really increased the budget to $210M?

This is a hit movie any way you spin it. And yes, it is spectacular.

And you're forgetting international gross, which ALSO will gross more than X2's international gross.

[BMM]

When you compair Roth's Superman to Reeves Superman, will the fans who remember Reeves Superman, be pleased ? From the clips I've seen, I don't think so. Word of mouth will sink it, IMO. And at 350 million total, all I have to say is good luck, making a profit.

I find this interesting because every review I've read from Reeve loving, fanboy websites say that Routh gives an amazing performance and that he is Superman . . . in so far as general audiences are concerned, I think your letting your inner fanboy get the better of you. General audiences will simply be happy that this time they might actually believe a man can fly because the special effects will be better . . . not to mention that if the performances are good, they'll like it.

ManOh please yourself. All movies are front loaded to a certain point. Some more then others. Spiderman 3 ? That's a no brainer. People are going to go in droves to see it. POTC 2 ? Same. SR ? Fast start then the legs get kicked out from under it.

Yes, obviously all movies are front loaded . . . but if it's good enough, it will continue to pile in money regardless. One need not look far . . . for instance, Batman Begins only made 23% of it's total gross during its opening weekend. It opened with $48,745,000 and because of good word of mouth, it went on to make $156,598,334 (over 75% of its total domestic take) after its front load. Haha--or even March of the Penguins. That movie only made $4 million during its opening weekend and grossed over $77 million doestically . . . and it was a documentary released during the height of the summer blockbuster season.

I don't know why you seem to imply that Superman Returns is suddenly going disappear one week after its release. Even after Pirates has made its opening gross, both movies will remain in theaters for weeks and weeks to come . . . and if Superman Returns is good enough (as is demonstrated by some of last summer's better movies), it won't just sink like a stone.

Yeah but the DVD comes in October and I'm all over it. It'll sell the first weekend and be #1 and make a crapload of more money and Fox will silently be talking to writers about making the Young-XMen movie a follow up to X3. They'll be talking an origin X-Men film, and if Wolverine is a hit as it should be there will be talks of Jackman signing on for Wolverine 2 & 3. Watch.

X-Men: The New Mutants

Haha. Where are you getting this from?

Regardless, most DVDs are number #1, or at the top, their opening week . . . and most make crap loads money . . . and it's generally because dvds are only a few bucks more than movie tickets in some states or only a bit more expensive than some movie rentals . . .

DVD sales are an added bonus, but don't always necessitate sequels. Afterall, Elektra made almost 10 million dollars in DVD sales and rentals in its first week of release alone, but it didn't guarantee a sequel. That's not to say that The Last Stand won't have one (obviously there is a difference between the two films' box office takes), but it does aid in the argument that good DVD sales don't necessarily equal sequels. It typically tends to be a combination of how well a movie is received at the box office vs. how much it costs to make.

[Advanced Dark]

You dont' think they'll ever do an origin film? Of course they will. I'm not saying 5 years from now or even 10 years from now but it will come with totally different cast members to probably tell the early chapters of the X-Men franchise. First things first we have Wolverine, Magneto, and the young x-men to deal with first.

[Fanticon]

I just saw Nacho Libre and I have to say that the critics are full of it as usual...it deserved every penny...and I knew it was going to be a tough competitor as it is one of the only slap stick comedies out until Ricky Bobby and Clerks...this movie may be lacking in raunch...but it doesn't hurt it...and i think it will continue to do well...even though it took over on friday...and cars dropped to third...Boxofficeguru.com still seems to think Cars will take back the lead on Saturday and Sunday...X3 isn't out of the running yet...it will pass X2 thats fersher...but lets hope it doesn't drop out of the top 10 yet...if anything I thik it will sneak passed garfield next week and move up a notch.

[danoyse]

I also wanted to chime in about Cars for sec...Pixar and some expert movie analysts were saying that car enthusiasts will love Cars too...what a joke! Car lovers don't want to see cartoony, crap looking, cute windshield eyes and bumper teeth celebrity voiced garbage. I hate that Pixar thinks they can make gold with any concept...also it was said that since NASCAR is the #1 American sport right now (?) that it would be hard to resist not wanting seeing this movie...Where do they get this stuff?


Well, I think car enthusiasts understand that the film is about talking cars. :rolleyes:

As far as NASCAR, "Cars" includes two big NASCAR-style race scenes, with cameo appearances by Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt Jr, and Mario Andretti. That's where they get the NASCAR stuff.

And before anyone asks I haven't even seen the movie and I don't even care to...but I will once its on DVD.

Are you kidding? See the movie.

[danoyse]

I find this interesting because every review I've read from Reeve loving, fanboy websites say that Routh gives an amazing performance and that he is Superman . . . in so far as general audiences are concerned, I think your letting your inner fanboy get the better of you. General audiences will simply be happy that this time they might actually believe a man can fly because the special effects will be better . . . not to mention that if the performances are good, they'll like it.

Agreed. If the last Christopher Reeve 'Superman' movie had only been out recently, I would see how the comparisons might bring down the movie. But it's been 20 years...the kids who are going to see 'Superman' won't know the difference.

I grew up with the Christopher Reeve 'Superman', and everyone I know has been really impressed with how Brandon looks in the role so far. :up:

[Advanced Dark]

Those old Superman films were awesome at the time. The only thing you can compare now is the script & acting because everything else is gonna blow it away. IMO

[oneteen]

Love the new ava, Advanced!

[Advanced Dark]

It was in the gif thread in the community forum. Thanks. It's like a screen saver I can just keep watching it.

[YJ1]

Batman Begins only made 23% of it's total gross during its opening weekend. It opened with $48,745,000 and because of good word of mouth, it went on to make $156,598,334 (over 75% of its total domestic take) after its front load.

Considering that X3 has already passed Batman Begins' box office numbers and its run isn't over yet (still has to open in places like Japan), I'm not sure what your point is? Batman Begins' production budget was 150 million with a RECORD 100 million more spent on the advertising campaign. X3 is already more profitable. The WB couldn't announce a Batman Begins sequel fast enough either. So, just do the math.

[Fanticon]

Well, I think car enthusiasts understand that the film is about talking cars. :rolleyes:

As far as NASCAR, "Cars" includes two big NASCAR-style race scenes, with cameo appearances by Richard Petty, Dale Earnhardt Jr, and Mario Andretti. That's where they get the NASCAR stuff.



Are you kidding? See the movie.

soooo you saw it...are you saying it was good or are you saying I shouldn't bother...hard to read your tone:O

[danoyse]

soooo you saw it...are you saying it was good or are you saying I shouldn't bother...hard to read your tone:O

Yes, I saw it, and it was good. You should see it before you bash it.

[WorthyStevens]

I don't know why you seem to imply that Superman Returns is suddenly going disappear one week after its release. Even after Pirates has made its opening gross, both movies will remain in theaters for weeks and weeks to come . . . and if Superman Returns is good enough (as is demonstrated by some of last summer's better movies), it won't just sink like a stone.

Just remember not all good movies have good legs. The prime example being X2.

[BMM]

Considering that X3 has already passed Batman Begins' box office numbers and its run isn't over yet (still has to open in places like Japan), I'm not sure what your point is? Batman Begins' production budget was 150 million with a RECORD 100 million more spent on the advertising campaign. X3 is already more profitable. The WB couldn't announce a Batman Begins sequel fast enough either. So, just do the math.

That’s nice, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making, which is evidently clear, if you would have actually taken the time to read the entirety of my post, rather than take offense to it as some kind of knock against The Last Stand (which it wasn’t).

The point I was making, as again is readily apparent in my previous post, was that one shouldn’t be so quick to say that SUPERMAN RETURNS will flounder simply because of the subsequent release of Pirates of the Caribbean 2 . . . as movies such as Batman Begins, and more importantly, March of the Penguins, did incredible business despite lower opening numbers and while being released in the midst of other giant summer blockbusters . . . and if you're wondering what the Begins and Penguins examples have to do with The Last Stand's box office, here: perhaps The Last Stand won't be completely forgotten in the face of impending 2006 summer blockbusters, just like the aforementioned examples weren't in 2005.

Just remember not all good movies have good legs. The prime example being X2.

Considering X2 only made nearly 39% of its gross domestic total during its opening weekend, while the other 61% was made after, I would hardly say the film is the prime example of a movie with bad legs . . . especially when later going head to head with a mega-monster such as the first highly anticipated sequel to The Matrix . . . not to mention going up against every single other summer blockbuster that had yet to be released in the summer of 2003, as X2 was one of the first, if not the first, summer movie released.

By those standards, The Last Stand would have to make roughly $310 million domestically just to reach the ratio equivalent of X2’s take (alleged bad legs and all) . . . and right now, it barely looks to make $250 million dollars domestically . . . and if X2 is the prime example of a good movie with bad legs, then I would hate to see where The Last Stand falls by these standards . . . or other movies for that matter.

[antariksh]

That’s nice, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making, which is evidently clear, if you would have actually taken the time to read the entirety of my post, rather than take offense to it as some kind of knock against The Last Stand (which it wasn’t).

The point I was making, as again is readily apparent in my previous post, was that one shouldn’t be so quick to say that SUPERMAN RETURNS will flounder simply because of the subsequent release of Pirates of the Caribbean 2 . . . as movies such as Batman Begins, and more importantly, March of the Penguins, did incredible business despite lower opening numbers and while being released in the midst of other giant summer blockbusters . . . and if you're wondering what the Begins and Penguins examples have to do with The Last Stand's box office, here: perhaps The Last Stand won't be completely forgotten in the face of impending 2006 summer blockbusters, just like the aforementioned examples weren't in 2005.

Technically speaking if BB was released on friday rather than wednesday it would have gotten a $72 million opening weekend rather than $48 million million. But since it did some biz on wed and thurs it got spread out. So WB was smart enough to release BB 2 days before otherwise next weekend it would have dropped 61% as it made $28 million. It remained #1 because the competetion was really WEAK. And july weekend helped it too plus the schools were out so teenagers watched it.

[god/devil]

The reason why it dropped so much is simple...everyone wanted to see it on it's opening weekend. Why can't people understand that,we have over ifty pages arguing about this stupid topic.

[crappymovie]

The point I was making, as again is readily apparent in my previous post, was that one shouldn’t be so quick to say that SUPERMAN RETURNS will flounder simply because of the subsequent release of Pirates of the Caribbean 2 . . . as movies such as Batman Begins, and more importantly, March of the Penguins, did incredible business despite lower opening numbers and while being released in the midst of other giant summer blockbusters . . . and if you're wondering what the Begins and Penguins examples have to do with The Last Stand's box office, here: perhaps The Last Stand won't be completely forgotten in the face of impending 2006 summer blockbusters, just like the aforementioned examples weren't in 2005.



Considering X2 only made nearly 39% of its gross domestic total during its opening weekend, while the other 61% was made after, I would hardly say the film is the prime example of a movie with bad legs . . . especially when later going head to head with a mega-monster such as the first highly anticipated sequel to THE MATRIX. . . not to mention going up against every single other summer blockbuster that had yet to be released in the summer of 2003, as X2 was one of the first, if not the first, summer movie released.

By those standards, The Last Stand would have to make roughly $310 million domestically just to reach the ratio equivalent of X2’s take (alleged bad legs and all) . . . and right now, it barely looks to make $250 million dollars domestically . . . and if X2 is the prime example of a good movie with bad legs, then I would hate to see where The Last Stand falls by these standards . . . or other movies for that matter.

Exactly.Comparing X2 and X3 is ridiculous, judge them based on their production budgets. But if you really want to (Domestic comparison):
+X2's second weekend drop was 53%, third weekend was cut by the Matrix Reloaded, it dropped by 57%, fourth weekend was 39.3 %
-X3 had a bigger opening weekend (hardly a testament to X3 though), droped 67% in it's second weekend, and 53% in it's third weekend (when facing Cars), it's fourth weekend will most likely have a 50%+ drop.
+X3 had a bigger opening, but dropped more quickly, has yet to settle
-X2 had a smaller opening, and dropped considerably still, but eventually settled
+X3 made less money than X2 on weekdays at first, but now makes roughly $500,000 more each day
+X2 opened earlier in May, thus LESS DAILY PROFIT due to school
+X2 managed good daily numbers against the Matrix Reloaded...wait until Superman Returns opens to see a drop in X3's dailies
+X2 had a production budget of about 110 million, X3 had a 210 million...profit margin is a huge difference

[crappymovie]

Just remember not all good movies have good legs. The prime example being X2.

X2 was followed by Matrix Reloaded. Wanna bet it would have done better had that movie not opened so soon?

But I guess it's a fair comparison with X3, I mean Cars and the Matrix Reloaded are pretty equal. And what film opened after that? Nevermind, an independent film called Bruce Almighty which made 85.7 million over four days. So fair comparison. Bruce Almighty= Fast and the Furious 3.

And it's safe to say that poor movies drop by 60%+ in their second weekends though. Hulk, Matrix Reloaded, etc. need I go on?

[GL's Light]

Weekend estimates from BOM:

1. Cars - $ 31.181 million (- 48%)
2. Nacho Libre - $ 27.513 million

?. X3 - $ 7.15 million (- 55.5%)

Not all of the estimates are in, so X3's rank isn't known yet. Like many animated films, Cars surged on Saturday and ended up taking the # 1 position, despite a # 3 rank on Friday.

[bosef982]

I haven't been on these boards in a while???

So, tell me, are people still saying X3's a great film and that losing Bryan Singer was the best thing to happen to the franchise even after seeing the overwhelmingly positivie, if not lauding, reviews of Superman Returns????

Wasn't there this whole thing about X3 being marketed later than Superman nad thus the hype being up more since the last thing said is the first thing remembered....yet, for some reason, now...Superman seems to be all people are talking about, with a few non-comic book reviewers in throwing Superman in comparison saying that THIS movie starts the summer....

Hm. Shame for Fox.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I haven't been on these boards in a while???

So, tell me, are people still saying X3's a great film and that losing Bryan Singer was the best thing to happen to the franchise even after seeing the overwhelmingly positivie, if not lauding, reviews of Superman Returns????

Wasn't there this whole thing about X3 being marketed later than Superman nad thus the hype being up more since the last thing said is the first thing remembered....yet, for some reason, now...Superman seems to be all people are talking about, with a few non-comic book reviewers in throwing Superman in comparison saying that THIS movie starts the summer....

Hm. Shame for Fox.

Yep that is what it is all about. Fanboys and their whole X3 vs. SR bull****. :up:

[bosef982]

Yep that is what it is all about. Fanboys and their whole X3 vs. SR bull****. :up:

Actually, its not about fanboys and their versus ****. It's actually about what makes a good movie nowadays and the way studios insult people's intelligence by forcing craps down their throats while calling it sugar.

This is larger than comic books, my friend. Larger than these studios. It's about studios wanting to make a quick buck on poor quality instead of attempting to enter into an agreement with the consumer where they give us a quality film and we give them our money and support.

Fox expected, EXPECTED, us to basically lie down and take all their lying (Fantastic Four DVD preview, Rogue "kicking-ass," and all the crap Kinberg and Co. were forced to feeds us pre-movie), smile when we got an obviously chopped up, rushed, poorly directed and acted, studio-politicked film, and give them all their money WHILE the man who should've directed the film, Singer, left because they d#cked around.

That's what this is about.

[antariksh]

Actually, its not about fanboys and their versus ****. It's actually about what makes a good movie nowadays and the way studios insult people's intelligence by forcing craps down their throats while calling it sugar.

This is larger than comic books, my friend. Larger than these studios. It's about studios wanting to make a quick buck on poor quality instead of attempting to enter into an agreement with the consumer where they give us a quality film and we give them our money and support.

Fox expected, EXPECTED, us to basically lie down and take all their lying (Fantastic Four DVD preview, Rogue "kicking-ass," and all the crap Kinberg and Co. were forced to feeds us pre-movie), smile when we got an obviously chopped up, rushed, poorly directed and acted, studio-politicked film, and give them all their money WHILE the man who should've directed the film, Singer, left because they d#cked around.

That's what this is about.


BULL SH#T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WorthyStevens]

I haven't been on these boards in a while???

So, tell me, are people still saying X3's a great film and that losing Bryan Singer was the best thing to happen to the franchise even after seeing the overwhelmingly positivie, if not lauding, reviews of Superman Returns????

I haven't heard many people say losing Singer was the best thing, but I've heard many people say it's a great movie.

And I think it was a great movie.

Wasn't there this whole thing about X3 being marketed later than Superman nad thus the hype being up more since the last thing said is the first thing remembered....yet, for some reason, now...Superman seems to be all people are talking about, with a few non-comic book reviewers in throwing Superman in comparison saying that THIS movie starts the summer....

Hm. Shame for Fox.

Don't start that X3 vs. Supes bull**** on here bosef.

[WorthyStevens]

X2 was followed by Matrix Reloaded. Wanna bet it would have done better had that movie not opened so soon?

But I guess it's a fair comparison with X3, I mean Cars and the Matrix Reloaded are pretty equal. And what film opened after that? Nevermind, an independent film called Bruce Almighty which made 85.7 million over four days. So fair comparison. Bruce Almighty= Fast and the Furious 3.

And it's safe to say that poor movies drop by 60%+ in their second weekends though. Hulk, Matrix Reloaded, etc. need I go on?

You can go on, and you can even include Harry Potter 3 in that mix since it dropped 62% in it's second weekend.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Actually, its not about fanboys and their versus ****. It's actually about what makes a good movie nowadays and the way studios insult people's intelligence by forcing craps down their throats while calling it sugar.

This is larger than comic books, my friend. Larger than these studios. It's about studios wanting to make a quick buck on poor quality instead of attempting to enter into an agreement with the consumer where they give us a quality film and we give them our money and support.

Fox expected, EXPECTED, us to basically lie down and take all their lying (Fantastic Four DVD preview, Rogue "kicking-ass," and all the crap Kinberg and Co. were forced to feeds us pre-movie), smile when we got an obviously chopped up, rushed, poorly directed and acted, studio-politicked film, and give them all their money WHILE the man who should've directed the film, Singer, left because they d#cked around.

That's what this is about.

If you didn't notice...my post was sarcastic.

I honestly do not care if you hated X3. Just stop with the pointless SR will triumph bull****. They were never going "head to head." I don't think people were praising Singer leaving just people looking forward to seeing a different vision of the X-Men.

[bosef982]

BULL SH#T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You didn't post your location in your SN box, but I'm wagering you live someone near de-nile.

[bosef982]

I honestly do not care if you hated X3. Just stop with the pointless SR will triumph bull****. They were never going "head to head." I don't think people were praising Singer leaving just people looking forward to seeing a different vision of the X-Men.

Again, missed the point and people get so testy on these boards becuase they were so overconfident prior to X3's release. It's not a SR will triumph...it's a Warner Brothers will triumph.

I'm not bashing X3, a movie I less than enjoyed. I'm critiquing Fox's poor handling of a basically packaged, preened, and successful franchise and the lengths that people went on these boards to seclude those who expressed doubt in the production, who bashed those who were cautious, and who frequently FREQUENTLY X-Fans did this, lauded X3's trailers over SR's meek teaser, over the "gayness" of Superman, etc. etc. etc. Now, its ironic, because SR's coming out to rave reviews, and suddenly, X-Men fans (of which I'm one oddly enough) are coming out of the wodwork lamblasting anyone who's calling them out on their prior words, so much so that some MODs have gone to the extent to prevent this from happening. This is why you have the same repeated nonsense in boards movie after movie, its because the seculding, isolating extremists are never called to fore for their ridiculous, harsh bashing when they are proven, for the most part, WRONG.

It's all about making opinions and everyone comfortable, not about holding people accountable to their words.

X3 and Superman are just masks for the general fanboy ignorance that ran rampant across these boards for the past two years, thie percieved rivarly between these films was a ligthing post for larger issues considering the amount of respect and humility people lack on these boards at times. There's no accountability on these boards for what people say when the time comes for what they said to be proven or seen.

Thus, you get lovely responses like that from Anatarkish up above becaues, honestly, that's all those people have right now at this point.

[Iceman]

Hey guys (not aimed at anyone in particular)

Please can you debate more constructively and keep it to X3 discussion so that this thread doesn't get closed. LS has already warned us once.

Thanks :up:

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah. Keep Superman Returns out of the X3 forum it is getting tiresome.

[bosef982]

Yeah. Keep Superman Returns out of the X3 forum it is getting tiresome.


They're linked. Because, honestly, my respectful, credible argument is this:

Fox mishandled X3 in that they lost -- through budget wrangling, story details, and time delays -- the one director who was capable of making a truly moving and cohesive X3 to a rival studio where, after being given a large budget and canvas by this studio within the same genre, this director has proven what he could've done with X3 would Fox have finally supported him enough to go forward. Some fans went on about how Singer sucked at action directing, sucked at character development, ignored characters -- did all the things that make a poor movie. Yet, in these reviews from this movie that I shall not mention that Fox lost Singer to through their own incompetence, Singer is being lauded for his amazing grasp of character, pacing, and action -- all things lacking in X3 in quality, if not quantity.

This, to me, proves some people wrong on these boards, people who for the past year have called Singer "overrated" and Ratner "underrated" and now whimiscially say "that was never said" when called out on it.

I'm not being rude. I'm not being aggravating or trolling. I'm stating my opinion on the current state of X3 in relation to what it is -- a movie within the industry. As such, due to Fox's poor decision making which tricled ALLLL the way down, the film stands where it stands right now critically.

At around 50 something percet on Rottentomatoes, compared to its predecssors (directed by said director) higher (X2 being in the Eighties) percentile ratings.

Not liking what I have to say doesn't make it bull**** or disrespectful or unconstructive -- it just makes it what I'm saying and it just so happens, that there is plenty of proof to back me up.

[Iceman]

Bosef, I don't have a problem with you. I'm not accusing you in particular of being unconstructive but I'm just concerned that the level of aggravation between members in general in this thread does not boil over as it may have done in the past. As long as the discussion can be kept civil and LS doesn't have an excuse to close the thread then all is fine. :up:

[Angry Sentinel]

Yet, in these reviews from this movie that I shall not mention that Fox lost Singer to through their own incompetence, Singer is being lauded for his amazing grasp of character, pacing, and action -- all things lacking in X3 in quality, if not quantity.

This, to me, proves some people wrong on these boards, people who for the past year have called Singer "overrated" and Ratner "underrated" and now whimiscially say "that was never said" when called out on it.


And you know what, Bosef, you are right. I have even had to eat some of my remarks. Most of my 'beef' with Singer's films were over characterizations. But after seeing X3 I totally see what Singer was up against battling with FOX. This is not a complete retraction of my comments about the characterizations in X1 or X2, but make no mistake about it, I do understand more fully the reasonings behind certain decisions. The only other problems I had with Singer's films were that I thought his films did'nt 'use' enough splashiness when it could/should have. Again, considering the budgets and politics he must've had to deal with, I am now beginning to see the real FOX of the problem.

[crappymovie]

Weekend estimates from BOM:

1. Cars - $ 31.181 million (- 48%)
2. Nacho Libre - $ 27.513 million

?. X3 - $ 7.15 million (- 55.5%)

Not all of the estimates are in, so X3's rank isn't known yet. Like many animated films, Cars surged on Saturday and ended up taking the # 1 position, despite a # 3 rank on Friday.

Let's bring it back to X3. 55.5% drop this weekend. Good?
Comparably, X2 dropped 39.3% this weekend, and X-Men 46.7%...
But it has become the highest grossing entry. :up:

[RedIsNotBlue]

Me getting sick of the whole ghey SR vs. X3 war aside...this still isn't the thread for that. This about X3's box office and its updates. SR should NOT be discussed here period.

[Amm-arD]

You didn't post your location in your SN box, but I'm wagering you live someone near de-nile.

loll!

[WorthyStevens]

Me getting sick of the whole ghey SR vs. X3 war aside...this still isn't the thread for that. This about X3's box office and its updates. SR should NOT be discussed here period.

Agreed 100%.

[crappymovie]

^ And you know what, Bosef, you are right. I have even had to eat some of my remarks. Most of my 'beef' with Singer's films were over characterizations. But after seeing X3 I totally see what Singer was up against battling with FOX. This is not a complete retraction of my comments about the characterizations in X1 or X2, but make no mistake about it, the only other problems I had with Singer's films was that I thought his films did 'use' enough splashiness when it could/should have. Again, considering the budgets and politics he must've had to deal with, I am not beginning to see the real FOX of the problem.

I always thought Singer didn't use fan input in X1 or X2.
However, when I listened to the X2 DVD commentary I realized something: the filmakers of X1 and X2 wanted to make films, not comic book films. The writers directly SAID "Yeah but for a fast ball special it wouldn't look right, I mean a 6'8 actor throwing a 6'2 actor wouldn't make a lot of sense." or Singer: "I didn't think it was important to go into the operatic nature of the comics, like the Nightcrawler/Mystique relationship. Instead, I wanted to give them moments as nods to the fans. I thought it was more important to get the essence of the character, and their physical nature, then to get bogged down by all the history."

The best parts: from a writer "We wanted to have Jean bring Cyclops up to the lake, and use his beams to kill her...which we thoought would have kicked ass for thr fans, but the studio was worried." or "We actually had Storm doing more during this scene (powers-wise...when she confronts Jason in dark cerebro), but we had to use the budget elsewhere)"...Singer did his best. Ratner was given more money, and came up with an episode from the Animated Series. Enjoy.

[Angry Sentinel]

I always thought Singer didn't use fan input in X1 or X2.
However, when I listened to the X2 DVD commentary I realized something: the filmakers of X1 and X2 wanted to make films, not comic book films. The writers directly SAID "Yeah but for a fast ball special it wouldn't look right, I mean a 6'8 actor throwing a 6'2 actor wouldn't make a lot of sense." or Singer: "I didn't think it was important to go into the operatic nature of the comics, like the Nightcrawler/Mystique relationship. Instead, I wanted to give them moments as nods to the fans. I thought it was more important to get the essence of the character, and their physical nature, then to get bogged down by all the history." I've never had a problem with this, in fact, most of the time I've applauded Singer for his use of themes. For me it was the BEST part of his movies. I've stated that time and time again. But at the time, I really believed he didn't pull the trigger when he had a chance to. Some little things that could have made a lot of difference in terms of pleasing comic book fans as well as making a decent 'film'. It seemed to me, that X2 was a direct response to that sentiment. But the real truth was that he simply had a better budget, which helped make certain decisions a lot easier.

Bottom line, is I applauded him for the good and attacked the things I thought were not so good. Now I'm allowing some concession on some of the bad things I thought were on Singer...

[crappymovie]

I've never had a problem with this, in fact, most of the time I've applauded Singer for his use of themes. For me it was the BEST part of his movies. I've stated that time and time again. But at the time, I really believed he didn't pull the trigger when he had a chance to. Some little things that could have made a lot of difference in terms of pleasing comic book fans as well as making a decent 'film'. It seemed to me, that X2 was a direct response to that sentiment. But the real truth was that he simply had a better budget, which helped make certain decisions a lot easier.

Bottom line, is I applauded him for the good and attacked the things I thought were not so good. Now I'm allowing some concession on some of the bad things I thought were on Singer...

I agree. It takes a film like X3 to see how bad X2 would have been with more random action scenes, and less character moments. Why did X2 need those scenes with Wolverine and Jean talking? Or the Mystique and Nightcrawler scenes? I think Brett and the writers may have thought that the audience would have been too bored with all that talking...

[RedIsNotBlue]

can you guys take your conversation somewhere else?

[crappymovie]

can you guys take your conversation somewhere else?

Sorry.

So X3's weekend numbers....eh....:O

[Angry Sentinel]

LOL... Yeah And 21% Sucks... or 48% is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME... and so on!

[josh8]

Let's bring it back to X3. 55.5% drop this weekend. Good?
Comparably, X2 dropped 39.3% this weekend, and X-Men 46.7%...
But it has become the highest grossing entry. :up:

i know it sounds like making excuses, but x2's decline was smaller because it was memorial day weekend. softer declines because sunday acts like a saturday.

still, x3 is sliding too fast. however, looking at the whole top ten and the declines, the box office is pretty lousy these days.

[borinquenknight]

They're linked. Because, honestly, my respectful, credible argument is this:

Fox mishandled X3 in that they lost -- through budget wrangling, story details, and time delays -- the one director who was capable of making a truly moving and cohesive X3 to a rival studio where, after being given a large budget and canvas by this studio within the same genre, this director has proven what he could've done with X3 would Fox have finally supported him enough to go forward. Some fans went on about how Singer sucked at action directing, sucked at character development, ignored characters -- did all the things that make a poor movie. Yet, in these reviews from this movie that I shall not mention that Fox lost Singer to through their own incompetence, Singer is being lauded for his amazing grasp of character, pacing, and action -- all things lacking in X3 in quality, if not quantity.

This, to me, proves some people wrong on these boards, people who for the past year have called Singer "overrated" and Ratner "underrated" and now whimiscially say "that was never said" when called out on it.

I'm not being rude. I'm not being aggravating or trolling. I'm stating my opinion on the current state of X3 in relation to what it is -- a movie within the industry. As such, due to Fox's poor decision making which tricled ALLLL the way down, the film stands where it stands right now critically.

At around 50 something percet on Rottentomatoes, compared to its predecssors (directed by said director) higher (X2 being in the Eighties) percentile ratings.

Not liking what I have to say doesn't make it bull**** or disrespectful or unconstructive -- it just makes it what I'm saying and it just so happens, that there is plenty of proof to back me up.


Bosef,
Thanks. Truer words could not have been spoken. Many will go out of their way to say that X1&X2's flaws were for the most part caused by Singer's style of directing while quickly rushing to blame Fox for X3's blunders. Sure, you can't put all blame on one individual but I still think X3 was a bit too ambitious a project for Brett. My .02.

[crappymovie]

i know it sounds like making excuses, but x2's decline was smaller because it was memorial day weekend. softer declines because sunday acts like a saturday.

still, x3 is sliding too fast. however, looking at the whole top ten and the declines, the box office is pretty lousy these days.

True, it was a holiday weekend.

But it can't be blamed on "the box office." 2004 was going to be a "lousy year", except good films opened, and it became a "good year." A good film makes it a "good box office period."

If Star Wars Episode 7 opened on Friday, would it be a "bad box office period?"

[josh8]

True, it was a holiday weekend.

But it can't be blamed on "the box office." 2004 was going to be a "lousy year", except good films opened, and it became a "good year." A good film makes it a "good box office period."

If Star Wars Episode 7 opened on Friday, would it be a "bad box office period?"

yes, it's not all the box office's fault. i'm just saying that the trend these days are not good. look at the top ten. the smallest weekend decline was 48%. and this was from a family film (by pixar!). the box office just isnt the same anymore and that cant be denied.

[Carp Man]

Ok. X-Men $ 7,150,000 estimate for the weekend. Updated #'s below. It has surpassed X-Men 2 domestic total. Ranked 7th for the weekend. Cars, NL, TFATF, LH, TBU, Garfiled. Garfield in its 1st week, made 50,000 more then X-Men in it's 4th week.

[josh8]

Bosef,
Thanks. Truer words could not have been spoken. Many will go out of their way to say that X1&X2's flaws were for the most part caused by Singer's style of directing while quickly rushing to blame Fox for X3's blunders. Sure, you can't put all blame on one individual but I still think X3 was a bit too ambitious a project for Brett. My .02.

i dont think the criticisms with singer's work have anything to do with his style. i think it has more to do with the character decisions he made.

-weak cyke
-master logan
-weak storm
-boring rogue

[crappymovie]

yes, it's not all the box office's fault. i'm just saying that the trend these days are not good. look at the top ten. the smallest weekend decline was 48%. and this was from a family film (by pixar!). the box office just isnt the same anymore and that cant be denied.

Maybe. But open Finding Nemo in the place of Cars, and the declines would have been different. The films are just not as "good" as they were. The box office is the same: why did HP Goblet of Fire do better than HP Prisoner of Azkaban? One was more liked by the public, but Goblet opened recently. There's many more examples, even X3 vs. X2...except most of X3's money was made opening weekend, even with worse competiton than X2 faced after that.

It's the films taht make the box office....although, I understand a comparison of box office 5 years ago vs. today, because that includes technology, etc. issues

[Angry Sentinel]

i dont think the criticisms with singer's work have anything to do with his style. i think it has more to do with the character decisions he made.

-weak cyke
-master logan
-weak storm
-boring rogue :up: , And that's why I apologize to Singer, because even without a deep knowledge of these characters he was able to provide us with that. Look at what we got without him

- No cyke
- Logan to the fourth power
- Leaderless Storm
- DEPOWERED Rogue

*realizes I'm about to go off topic, Adds to post*

AND THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY I THINK THE BOX OFFICE NUMBERS ARE STAGGERING :cool:

[borinquenknight]

Maybe. But open Finding Nemo in the place of Cars, and the declines would have been different. The films are just not as "good" as they were. The box office is the same: why did HP Goblet of Fire do better than HP Prisoner of Azkaban? One was more liked by the public, but Goblet opened recently. There's many more examples, even X3 vs. X2...except most of X3's money was made opening weekend, even with worse competiton than X2 faced after that.

It's the films taht make the box office....although, I understand a comparison of box office 5 years ago vs. today, because that includes technology, etc. issues


Not to mention that some of the current installments of well established franchises are benefitting from fan base that was built on the success of the first installments in the respective franchises. Do any of you think X3 would've done so well without the success of the first two films. Or do you think Brett Ratner would've done as well as Bryan Singer if he'd have faced the same constraints as Singer on X1?

[josh8]

Maybe. But open Finding Nemo in the place of Cars, and the declines would have been different. The films are just not as "good" as they were. The box office is the same: why did HP Goblet of Fire do better than HP Prisoner of Azkaban? One was more liked by the public, but Goblet opened recently. There's many more examples, even X3 vs. X2...except most of X3's money was made opening weekend, even with worse competiton than X2 faced after that.

It's the films taht make the box office....although, I understand a comparison of box office 5 years ago vs. today, because that includes technology, etc. issues

i agree, in the end, quality does matter. BUT these days, it cannot completely save a movie. bad and good movies fall hard.

as for the harry potters, wasnt prisoner of azkaban the one that opened in the summer. if it is, they cant be compared. all of the other harry potters were november releases. totally differnt box office behavior.

[josh8]

:up: , And that's why I apologize to Singer, because even without a deep knowledge of these characters he was able to provide us with that. Look at what we got without him

- No cyke
- Logan to the fourth power
- Leaderless Storm
- DEPOWERED Rogue

*realizes I'm about to go off topic, Adds to post*

AND THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY I THINK THE BOX OFFICE NUMBERS ARE STAGGERING :cool:

well i'm not so quick to apologize to singer. i like his movies, but he started many of the trends that are annoying people in the current x-movie.

in x2, he took cyke out of commission, and i still dont understand why. so he wronged cyke just as much, in my opinion. he made him a second rate character.

and when he dies in x3, no one cares, including me.

[crappymovie]

well i'm not so quick to apologize to singer. i like his movies, but he started many of the trends that are annoying people in the current x-movie.

in x2, he took cyke out of commission, and i still dont understand why. so he wronged cyke just as much, in my opinion. he made him a second rate character.

and when he dies in x3, no one cares, including me.

He said this himself. He said that he thinks Jimmy is a great actor, and wishes he could have used him more, they even shot more scenes including him (which were deleted because of audience confusion etc.)...which is why he was setting him up in a large role in X3.

But X3's weekend numbers. Another 50% drop. What will happen when Click opens?

[GL's Light]

Full list of weekend estimates:

1. Cars - $ 31.181 million (- 48.1%)
2. Nacho Libre - $ 27.513 million
3. The Fast and the Furious 3 - $ 24.056 million
4. The Lake House - $ 13.665 million
5. The Break-Up - $ 9.502 million (- 53.3%)
6. Garfield 2 - $ 7.2 million
7. X3 - $ 7.15 million (- 55.5%)

X3's domestic total now stands at an estimated $ 215,549,000, putting it over X2's domestic tally in unadjusted terms.

X3's daily breakdowns:

Fri - $ 2.125 million (+ 47.6%)
Sat - $ 2.84 million (+ 33.6%)
Sun - $ 2.185 million (- 23.1%)

[Carp Man]

Didn't I say that below ? LOL.

[GL's Light]

Didn't I say that below ? LOL.
Pot, kettle, black. :cool:

[Visionary]

Ok. X-Men $ 7,150,000 estimate for the weekend. Updated #'s below. It has surpassed X-Men 2 domestic total.
X3's domestic total now stands at an estimated $ 215,549,000, putting it over X2's domestic tally in unadjusted terms.
This is GREAT news, just as I had hoped. I rather enjoyed X3 more than X1/X2, so I'm happy to see this. Next stop, kicking X2's ass worldwide, they still have Japan which is a big market, and a few other countries. I think X3 has a good chance at beating X2 worldwide, we'll see. So, I'm pretty damn pleased.:)

[danoyse]

So, tell me, are people still saying X3's a great film and that losing Bryan Singer was the best thing to happen to the franchise even after seeing the overwhelmingly positivie, if not lauding, reviews of Superman Returns????

No, it's just the typical Sunday box-office results ritual of the haters and naysayers to take a break from creating new "why I hate this movie" threads to come in and toss yet another useless 'I told you so' at the people who had the audacity to enjoy X3. :rolleyes:

That being said, I still liked X3 and I can't wait to see Superman. :up:

[phantom47]

when the actual numbers come in it will proabably be closer to 8 mil and maybe beat garfield...who knows

[Carp Man]

I can't wait to see Superman. :up:

I can. Till it comes to the 50 cent movie theater. 50 cents all day Tuesdays.

[phantom47]

235-240 is looking about all its gonna make

[Avalanche]

:up: , And that's why I apologize to Singer, because even without a deep knowledge of these characters he was able to provide us with that. Look at what we got without him

- No cyke
- Logan to the fourth power
- Leaderless Storm
- DEPOWERED Rogue

*realizes I'm about to go off topic, Adds to post*

AND THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY I THINK THE BOX OFFICE NUMBERS ARE STAGGERING :cool:
Oh you are talking rubbish.

There wasn't a great deal of Cyclops in X2, with Singer at the helm. Cyclops wasn't in X3 because FOX didn't want him in it much. Nothing to do with the lack of Singer, but rather Marsden going over to Superman Returns.

Logan was always the main character, so that's due to the lack of Singer.

Leaderless Storm? She was more a leader in this movie than she was in the prior films, with Singer.

Your points make no sense.

[danoyse]

On top of that...every non-comics fan I know who's seen X3 was really happy for Rogue at the end of the movie.

[Carp Man]

235-240 is looking about all its gonna make

It should have about 225 million by the time SR opens in 9 days. I see no reason why it won't make at least a million a day, till SR opens. Then it will be in about the 400 to 600 thousand range, per day. Then when POTC 2 opens I don't know how much per day. But 250 is a huge stretch now.

[GL's Light]

But 250 is a huge stretch now.
So you've come around on that.

[Visionary]

I say it's going to finish with 225-230M.

It's going to start losing a lot of theaters, because there are many new movies still coming out. To me it has already done its job by passing X2 domestically, you can't really ask for anything more than that. And if it passes it worldwide, well, that's just icing on the cake. And it has a damn good shot at it. :)

[danoyse]

It's going to start losing a lot of theaters, because there are many new movies still coming out.

Which is why I think I'm going to catch it one more time this week while the AMC theater in the city still has it on the really big screen. :up:

[demitri_vampiro]

Not to mention that some of the current installments of well established franchises are benefitting from fan base that was built on the success of the first installments in the respective franchises. Do any of you think X3 would've done so well without the success of the first two films. Or do you think Brett Ratner would've done as well as Bryan Singer if he'd have faced the same constraints as Singer on X1?
I believe he DID face the same if not worse constrains
more pressure, bigger movie, less time

[Carp Man]

So you've come around on that.

So ? It won't make 250 million. I think it could make 230 to 240 thou.

[GL's Light]

So ? It won't make 250 million. I think it could make 230 to 240 thou.
Exactly. Or have you forgotten our prior conversation?

[Advanced Dark]

Yeah 230-240. Variety has an interesting article on the overseas box office cutting through the World Cup and it doesn't require a subscription to view it right now.

[liamoversion2]

Which is why I think I'm going to catch it one more time this week while the AMC theater in the city still has it on the really big screen. :up:


If you're going to see it again just be careful ... I hear it's been making some people go blind.

[Carp Man]

Exactly. Or have you forgotten our prior conversation?

I repeat. So ?

[danoyse]

If you're going to see it again just be careful ... I hear it's been making some people go blind.

Wow...that made a ton of sense. :rolleyes:

[Carp Man]

Wow...that made a ton of sense. :rolleyes:

I thought it was too much of something else that made you go blind. :eek:

[GL's Light]

I repeat. So ?
I said it wouldn't make it to 250 and you pretty much called me out on that, and now you won't even good-naturedly fess up that you were wrong?

So your style is basically to throw around bravado statements, and then when they turn out to be incorrect you just shrug and say "So?". What exactly is the point of even engaging you in friendly debate then?

[liamoversion2]

I thought it was too much of something else that made you go blind. :eek:


No that's not actually true at all. Watching too much TV doesn't make you go blind?!

Not that I watch tv really... it's mostly bullcrap anyway... so I'm safe...

[Carp Man]

I said it wouldn't make it to 250 and you pretty much called me out on that, and now you won't even good-naturedly fess up that you were wrong?

So your style is basically to throw around bravado statements, and then when they turn out to be incorrect you just shrug and say "So?". What exactly is the point of even engaging you in friendly debate then?

Ok. If it makes you feel better, and satisifies some ego trip. I was wroung. And I repeat. So ? Not the 1st time or the last time. And you'll hear more bravado statements from me. Many more. I don't have a problem expressing myself. And I'm not affraid of being mistaken.

[Carp Man]

No that's not actually true at all. Watching too much TV doesn't make you go blind?!

Not that I watch tv really... it's mostly bullcrap anyway... so I'm safe...

Wasn't talking about TV.

[liamoversion2]

Wasn't talking about TV.



.... yeah... I got that. I was making a joke...

[crappymovie]

I said it wouldn't make it to 250 and you pretty much called me out on that, and now you won't even good-naturedly fess up that you were wrong?

So your style is basically to throw around bravado statements, and then when they turn out to be incorrect you just shrug and say "So?". What exactly is the point of even engaging you in friendly debate then?

Agreed. :up:

[GL's Light]

Ok. If it makes you feel better, and satisifies some ego trip. I was wroung. And I repeat so ?
Oh, please. It's not about an ego trip. It's about staying true to the terms of friendly debate (although I'm starting to think there's not really any friendliness in your debating).

Meh. We're on different wavelengths on this. If X3 had hit 250 you would've gotten a good-natured "I was wrong" from me. But evidently that's just not your style.

[Carp Man]

Meh. We're on different wavelengths on this. If X3 had hit 250 you would've gotten a good-natured "I was wrong" from me. But evidently that's just not your style.

I wouldn't need an I was wroung from you. I know you were and that's what matters. No need to broadcast it for all to see. I never admit I'm wroung, except to my wife, and kids. Everybody else ? Meh. Only people on an ego trip, need or want an apoligy. When I'm right, I know it, and that's all I need.

[danoyse]

No that's not actually true at all. Watching too much TV doesn't make you go blind?!

Not that I watch tv really... it's mostly bullcrap anyway... so I'm safe...

That's just something parents say to keep their kids from sitting too close to the TV.

[antariksh]

Fox International's X-Men: The Last Stand was a fraction behind Da Vinci Code in the weekend stakes. According to early estimates it added $14.9m on approximately 6,500 screens for a $182.5m international tally. The fantasy adventure opened top in South Korea on an excellent $5.9m haul on 353 screens that produced Fox's biggest ever opening in the market. It also opened at number one in Taiwan on $1.4m on 166, and added $1.4m on 455 screens in the UK for $32m.

source-Screendaily.com

I am happy the movie opened #1 in south korea and it is a POWERFUL opening weekend.

MUCH MUCH BETTER than X1 and X2.

There is NO doubt X3 will do between $10-15 million in South Korea.

[Carp Man]

Fox International's X-Men: The Last Stand was a fraction behind Da Vinci Code in the weekend stakes. According to early estimates it added $14.9m on approximately 6,500 screens for a $182.5m international tally. The fantasy adventure opened top in South Korea on an excellent $5.9m haul on 353 screens that produced Fox's biggest ever opening in the market. It also opened at number one in Taiwan on $1.4m on 166, and added $1.4m on 455 screens in the UK for $32m.

source-Screendaily.com

I am happy the movie opened #1 in south korea and it is a POWERFUL opening weekend.

MUCH MUCH BETTER than X1 and X2.

There is NO doubt X3 will do between $10-15 million in South Korea.

I've updated my #'s to reflect that 182.5 million overseas.

[phantom47]

WOW it made 1.4 in Tawain when X2 made 1.3 overall there. while in sSouth Korea it made 6 mil while X2 did 7.3 overall

[borinquenknight]

I believe he DID face the same if not worse constrains
more pressure, bigger movie, less time

Sorry but I can't agree with you on this one. There is a huge difference between creating a successful franchise and destroying it. Atleast IMO, Singer did more with less money and too many variables even though he might've had a bit more time. But most of the resources or lack there of can be attributed to Fox. What we can hold to the directors is what they did with what they had. I think in this rational Singer came out on top. But then again I can't say that Singer would've continued well enough if he'd taken a Brett-established franchise forward. :(

[Advanced Dark]

...and we still have Japan and all the holdovers till September. LOL

[phantom47]

Im hoping for 225-235 International after Japan and 235 Dom. with a 450+ WW

[Advanced Dark]

Well at 200 international now it depends on how the holdovers go before Japan. I think Japan is 22 million easy. So can X3 make another 10-20 million international before Japan? I think so.

[skruloos]

I wouldn't need an I was wroung from you. I know you were and that's what matters. No need to broadcast it for all to see. I never admit I'm wroung, except to my wife, and kids. Everybody else ? Meh. Only people on an ego trip, need or want an apoligy. When I'm right, I know it, and that's all I need.
Seems to be that you're the only one on an ego trip when you can't admit you're wrong in a debate.

[Advanced Dark]

C'mon children stop fighting or you'll go to detention! Here's a blurb from Yahoo Canada:

Finishing a close No. 2 this weekend was 20th Century Fox International's "X-Men: The Last Stand," which compiled $14.9 million from 6,500 screens in 62 territories for an overseas total of $182.5 million.

"X3" opened gangbusters in Korea, where it was a huge No. 1, generating $5.9 million -- about 55 percent of the market -- from 363 screens (making it the biggest Fox opening ever in the market). In Taiwan, it pulled nearly an average of $8,500 per screen from 166 sites for an estimated $1.4 million. With the same gross estimate, "X3" finished No. 2 in the U.K. playing 455 sites.

[Loganbabe]

Here in Brazil I think it was a nice surprise how X3 managed to stay on the top position of the box office for 3 weeks on a row, seeing how Da Vinci Code is a very popular book here. I don´t know if it has to do with the reviews...the reviews for X3 were in general very good here, and rather bad for DVC.

[pt_photo_inc]

I wouldn't need an I was wroung from you. I know you were and that's what matters. No need to broadcast it for all to see. I never admit I'm wroung, except to my wife, and kids. Everybody else ? Meh. Only people on an ego trip, need or want an apoligy. When I'm right, I know it, and that's all I need.

an ego is not being able to admitt that you were wrong to anyone you were wrong too. if i am wrong and i am, often... i have no issue apologizing to anyone i tried to "man handle" with my opinion. Now if it is an issue of different opinions and not cold hard facts... you better bring the facts cause we gonna dance. But when it is cold hard facts and numbers... i enjoy being right as much as wrong and have no issue taking a knee before the better insight than my own. With every word you type you are just merely backing up what he is saying about you.

You only admitt you are wrong to your wife and kids? sounds like a name drop to try to shove in an "age dominance" to me. Like you are married and have a kid and that makes you mature. Then after trying to state such maturity you play a whole game of lame rhetoric of "A or B LOGIC". One of the most used rhetorical tools for verbal and language manipulation over others. Politicians use it alot. "Either you support the war on terror or you are not a patriot." Which is not true. Just like your statement "Only people on an ego trip, need or want an apoligy" is retarded and just not true. but you want to assert it as it was true. Try to show dominance. The truth is, that in a debate of any sort... there first has to be a respect for the truth. Knowing that who ever is right or wrong doesnt matter, as long as you both come to a revelation of the truth then you both win. But with out a respect for the truth... why argue? why debate? and you seemingly show very little respect for the truth when you make comments like that one.

[Carp Man]

Everyones entitled to their opinion. :up: However, I shall continue to pontificate.

[Angry Sentinel]

Edit...
and when he dies in x3, no one cares, including me. I wouldn't say "nobody"... I cared, well before it happened, although for months I was told how WRONG I was about that as well... and nobody has admitted to that one either!

I would concede that the Singer-Cyke treatment was the instigator to what happened in X3, except for the fact that his commentary in X2 and supposed treatment for X3 & X4 was to heavily favor Cyclops. I believe that X3 shows us who truly had it in for Cyke/Mardsen, where as the supposed Mardsen-hating Singer readily accepts him in his Superman movie.

Oh you are talking rubbish.

There wasn't a great deal of Cyclops in X2, with Singer at the helm. Cyclops wasn't in X3 because FOX didn't want him in it much. Nothing to do with the lack of Singer, but rather Marsden going over to Superman Returns.

Logan was always the main character, so that's due to the lack of Singer.

Leaderless Storm? She was more a leader in this movie than she was in the prior films, with Singer.

Your points make no sense.First, I'm not totally defending Singer, nor am I his greatest fan. I'm just pointing out the state of the characters as X3 portrayed them. Any 'REASONS' you give for this doesn't change the fact that this is EXACTLY what happened in this movie, a movie done WITHOUT Singer.

Secondly, since you want to bring up reasons...

-You conveniently leave out the great deal of Cyclops in X1 and the fact that even without him in X2, Singers movie WENT OUT OF IT'S way to make it clear who JEAN chose. The movie didn't need the line, but it did it anyway.

- Logan was the focal point character in TWO movies that had a great deal to do with his BACKGROUND... what was the reason for his UBBERNESS in X3? Especially since he practically stole the role (and mannerisms... more things the supposed Cyclops-hating Singer never did)of the character they so conveniently killed!

- Storm was a leader in X3??? Please illustrate your examples. And considering Cyclops was there in X1, at least Singer has the excuse of already having someone to fill that role... Where is X3's reasons?

- Debatable...

On top of that...every non-comics fan I know who's seen X3 was really happy for Rogue at the end of the movie.

See my first comment to Avalanche...

[Carp Man]

X2 did 407 million in worldwide sales. If all the weekend estimated #'s hold true, X3 is real close. Bout 9 million shy.:)

[narrows101]

Have no idea what this means but here it is. Box office in Seoul:

http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/006592.html

1.
X-Men: The Last Stand
Official Website (http://www.foxkorea.co.kr/x)
2006 USA - dir. Brett Ratner
[Cast: Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Ian McKellen, Famke Janssen, Anna Paquin]
Distributed By Fox Korea - Released on June 15
44.9% (New) Share - 428 Screens (New) Nationwide [112 in Seoul]
230,500 Tickets Sold in Seoul (Weekend)
300,500 Tickets Sold in Seoul (Total)
909,100 Tickets Sold Nationwide

[antariksh]

http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

sunday X3 was #5. Did $2.6 million. PRETTY GOOD.

Cars did much better than expected. I think Cars did well, X3 and Nacho did great.

Don't worry guys i think X3 will do just fine. I think it dropped between 50-52% this weekend.

[Milkman95]

Actually 55.5% to be exact.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

[Fanticon]

http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

sunday X3 was #5. Did $2.6 million. PRETTY GOOD.

Cars did much better than expected. I think Cars did well, X3 and Nacho did great.

Don't worry guys i think X3 will do just fine. I think it dropped between 50-52% this weekend.

wow...it moved up past garfield and break up...not bad...but technically the movies are dropping and X3 isn't moving up:(

[antariksh]

Actually 55.5% to be exact.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/


Those are estimates NOT Actual boxoffice.

With the actual boxoffice it probably dropped 50-52%.

The SBD numbers are the actual sunday numbers.

The sunday estimate for CARS at BOM is $9 million but it actually made $11 million according to SBD.

Similarly BOM says $2.185 for X3 but SBD says $2.635 million.

[Milkman95]

Those are estimates NOT Actual boxoffice.

With the actual boxoffice it probably dropped 50-52%.

The SBD numbers are the actual sunday numbers.

The sunday estimate for CARS at BOM is $9 million but it actually made $11 million according to SBD.

Similarly BOM says $2.185 for X3 but SBD says $2.635 million.

When the actuals come out it will probably be MORE than 55.5% and closer to 60%.