X3 Box Office Tracker

[antariksh]

When the actuals come out it will probably be MORE than 55.5% and closer to 60%.

Oh really!!

I don't think so buddy u want X3 to drop more than the estimates BUT it won't.

Btw superman and their fans suck balls.

[Jan Irisi]

Let's not forget about the fact that X3 also lost screens as well, so to keep up the pace it's doing quite well. Not outstanding, but it's keeping its chin up.

[GL's Light]

Those are estimates NOT Actual boxoffice.

With the actual boxoffice it probably dropped 50-52%.

The SBD numbers are the actual sunday numbers.

The sunday estimate for CARS at BOM is $9 million but it actually made $11 million according to SBD.

Similarly BOM says $2.185 for X3 but SBD says $2.635 million.
The SBD numbers are also estimates - the various box office sites have estimates that differ slightly from each other. The actuals will be out soon.

[lordofthenerds]

Oh really!!

I don't think so buddy u want X3 to drop more than the estimates BUT it won't.

Btw superman and their fans suck balls.
Very mature. :rolleyes:

[antariksh]

The SBD numbers are also estimates - the various box office sites have estimates that differ slightly from each other. The actuals will be out soon.

OK we will see.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Of course there are always the negative for every positive. ;)

[Milkman95]

Oh really!!

I don't think so buddy u want X3 to drop more than the estimates BUT it won't.

Btw superman and their fans suck balls.

Classy and mature, well done.

Well, I'm also a fan of X-Men, so what does that make you now?

[Carp Man]

When the actuals come out it will probably be MORE than 55.5% and closer to 60%.

Milk, you never cease to amaze me. The cup is half full. And when SR has its 60 % drop, don't come up with any bs excusses. We all know POTC will open large. And drop SR on his head. Not hard, but enough to take notice.:) I'll be happy with 60 %.

[Milkman95]

Milk, you never cease to amaze me. The cup is half full. And when SR has its 60 % drop, don't come up with any bs excusses. We all know POTC will open large. And drop SR on his head. Not hard, but enough to take notice.:) I'll be happy with 60 %.

Of course SR will drop hard, it's just a question of will it drop more than the record set by X3 it's second weekend.

[WorthyStevens]

Let's not forget about the fact that X3 also lost screens as well, so to keep up the pace it's doing quite well. Not outstanding, but it's keeping its chin up.

It's per-screen average didn't have too harsh of a drop. It dropped about 41-42%. Not too bad.


Btw superman and their fans suck balls.

:rolleyes:

[Jan Irisi]

Of course SR will drop hard, it's just a question of will it drop more than the record set by X3 it's second weekend.

Record?

[Milkman95]

Record?

Yes - X3 set the largest post Memorial Day weekend drop in the history of cinema at 67%. Thank God it opened so well.

[TNC9852002]

I doubt it because Superman is starting on a Wednesday...

-TNC

[Carp Man]

Yes - X3 set the largest post Memorial Day weekend drop in the history of cinema at 67%. Thank God it opened so well.

Milk it would kill you to admit that it had the LARGEST Memorial day weekend ever. It had the 2nd largest opening day EVER behind ROTS. It's # 1 for 2006. It's getting ready to break thru 400million. It's in a 5 way tie for the fastest to 100 million, and 13th fastest to 200 million. And the 12 above it are all 1st class movies, and not 1 DC vehicle there. But you chose to dwell on the negative.

[Milkman95]

Milk it would kill you to admit that it had the LARGEST Memorial day weekend ever. It had the 2nd largest opening day EVER behind ROTS. It's # 1 for 2006. It's getting ready to break thru 400million. But you chose to dwell on the negative.

It had the second largest weekend behind Spider-man as well, how's that?

[DC & Marvel]

would it kill you to admit that it had the LARGEST Memorial day weekend ever

Will it kill you to admit that it was then followed by the LARGEST MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND DROP EVER. What happens first (in my opinion) does NOT MATTER. Its what happens AFTER is what tells you how the General Audience likes the Movie

[Milkman95]

Will it kill you to admit that it was then followed by the LARGEST MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND DROP EVER. What happens first (in my opinion) does NOT MATTER. Its what happens AFTER is what tells you how the General Audience likes the Movie

Bingo. The public made a statement with that drop.

[DC & Marvel]

Bingo. The public made a statement with that drop.

& this is also for ANY MOVIE not just X-Men The Last Stand

[Milkman95]

& this is also for ANY MOVIE not just X-Men The Last Stand

Courtesy of TerryRL - second weekend percentage drops:

#1 "Batman" (1989) -30%
#2 "Spider-Man" (2002) -37%
#3 "Batman Begins" (2005) -43%
#4 "Batman Returns" (1995) -44.3%
#5 "Batman Forever" (1992) -44.7%
#6 "Spider-Man 2" (2004) -48%
#7 "X2: X-Men United" (2003) -53%
#8 "Daredevil" (2003) -55%
#9 "X-Men" (2000) -56%
#10 "Fantastic Four" (2005) -59%
#11 "Batman & Robin" (1997) -63%
#12 "X-Men: The Last Stand" (2006) -67%
#13 "Hulk" (2003) -69%

[WorthyStevens]

Actuals are in.

X-Men: The Last Stand made $7,820,253, a drop of 51.4%.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

[Milkman95]

Actuals are in.

X-Men: The Last Stand made $7,820,253, a drop of 51.4%.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

Nice.......:up:

Better than anticipated.

[Carp Man]

Will it kill you to admit that it was then followed by the LARGEST MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND DROP EVER. What happens first (in my opinion) does NOT MATTER. Its what happens AFTER is what tells you how the General Audience likes the Movie

LOL. You DC fanboys slay me. Your better then Foxworthy. Ok back to the topic, Weekend #'s are in. Updated #'s below. $ 7,820,253. Beat Garfield. :eek: Amazing lol.

[Milkman95]

LOL. You DC fanboys slay me. Your better then Foxworthy. Ok back to the topic, Weekend #'s are in. Updated #'s below. $ 7,820,253. Beat Garfield. :eek: Amazing lol.

It's not about DC or Marvel, it's about 2nd weekend drops in general.

What did you think of that top 10 list Carp? You probably didn't comment since Marvel has most of the bottom 10.

[WorthyStevens]

Nice.......:up:

Better than anticipated.

In the end, X3 should make between $235-$240 million dollars. It should also beat X2's adjusted gross of $233 million (estimated).

[DC & Marvel]

LOL. You DC fanboys slay me

:rolleyes: You can not even admit the "negative" of the Box Office lol you Marvel Fanboys slay me

[Milkman95]

In the end, X3 should make between $235-$240 million dollars. It should also beat X2's adjusted gross of $233 million (estimated).

Which would be good, but a little disappointing after the opening weekend it had.

[WorthyStevens]

Which would be good, but a little disappointing after the opening weekend it had.

True. I'll give you that.

But what makes the gross impressive overall is that it was a troubled production (which usually is a bad sign box office wise), and rarely do 2nd sequels beat their predecessors.

[DC & Marvel]

You Marvel Fan Boys can enjoy any future X-Men related Movie RUSHED & all about Wolverine & crappy Spin Offs which will all be rushed, rushed, rushed

[Milkman95]

True. I'll give you that.

But what makes the gross impressive overall is that it was a troubled production (which usually is a bad sign box office wise), and rarely do 2nd sequels beat their predecessors.

Agreed.

[Angry Sentinel]

Dude, bad Idea, please try to remember Spiderman is still the BO king, and yes it is a Marvel property.

[DC & Marvel]

Dude, bad Idea, please try to remember Spiderman is still the BO king, and yes it is a Marvel property.

Spider-Man = not a Movie by FOX. That alone = better then what FOX stuff

[Carp Man]

It's not about DC or Marvel, it's about 2nd weekend drops in general.

What did you think of that top 10 list Carp? You probably didn't comment since Marvel has most of the bottom 10.

Doesnt matter if you fall behind as long as you win. And x3 is a winner on all levels. :up: If you want me to drag the overall #'s again between Marvel movies and DC movies I will. But that would be pointless because you would fail to admit the truth.

[WorthyStevens]

You Marvel Fan Boys can enjoy any future X-Men related Movie RUSHED & all about Wolverine & crappy Spin Offs which will all be rushed, rushed, rushed

And I will.

[Angry Sentinel]

Spider-Man = not a Movie by FOX
Exactly, and you said Marvel fanboys, I just wanted to remind you that not every Marvel property is handled by the FOP...err I mean FOX

[DC & Marvel]

s, I just wanted to remind you that not every Marvel property is handled by the FOP...err I mean FOX

I will give you that but most Marvel Fan Boys DO SUCK (points to some here) & yes the same with DC Fan Boys & I was never dissing all Marvel Movies just anything made by FOX & the way most Marvel Fan Boys are & yes same with DC Fan Boys

[Carp Man]

I will give you that but most Marvel Fan Boys DO SUCK (points to some here) & yes the same with DC Fan Boys & I was never dissing all Marvel Movies just anything made by FOX & the way most Marvel Fan Boys are & yes same with DC Fan Boys


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=marvelcomics.htm
Marvel


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=dccomics.htm
DC

Game, set match.

[DC & Marvel]

oooooo you got me shaking in my boots !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Milkman95]

Doesnt matter if you fall behind as long as you win. And x3 is a winner on all levels. :up: If you want me to drag the overall #'s again between Marvel movies and DC movies I will. But that would be pointless because you would fail to admit the truth.

Man, is that calling the kettle black.

Go ahead, I've seen the list countless times before.

Last time I checked, more films usually equals more money. Guess what? Marvel has released three times as many films.

[DC & Marvel]

that would be pointless because you would fail to admit the truth.

& you fail to admit & are acting like the General Public has aid nothing due to the huge drops & the fact that this Movie has gotten the LARGEST AFTER MEMORIAL DAY DROPS IN HISTORY. You fail to see that when that says something as well. It is not all about what a Movie makes opening weekend

[Iceman]

So we're approaching the end of X3's box office run. I've got to say it looks like it will end up around where I originally expected although I never thought I would see such high figures for the opening day. Overall, given the fast pace at the beginning, I'm a little disappointed with the speed of the drops but that opening day figure of $45m is a great memory and is going to be hard for future films to beat.

[Carp Man]

So we're approaching the end of X3's box office run. I've got to say it looks like it will end up around where I originally expected although I never thought I would see such high figures for the opening day. Overall, given the fast pace at the beginning, I'm a little disappointed with the speed of the drops but that opening day figure of $45m is a great memory and is going to be hard for future films to beat.

Only 1 has beaten it. ROTS. Not over yet, still bucks to be counted, and it doesn't open in Japan till 9/9.

[Jan Irisi]

& you fail to admit & are acting like the General Public has aid nothing due to the huge drops & the fact that this Movie has gotten the LARGEST AFTER MEMORIAL DAY DROPS IN HISTORY. You fail to see that when that says something as well. It is not all about what a Movie makes opening weekend

So...what you are saying is that despite whatever else this film has done in terms of box office performance, the only thing that matters is that drop?

Hmmm.....not buying that one, sorry. It looks to me to be doing just fine. Not spectacular, but it is doing fine. Despite that HUGE drop..........

[antariksh]

Bingo. The public made a statement with that drop.

lol

[GL's Light]

On the box office takes of DC and Marvel films: You can't compare the unadjusted box office of films released decades apart. You either have to adjust for inflation, or, if you have some objection to adjusting for inflation (based on the entertainment environments being so different, then and now), then you have to take the position that no comparison can be made. But to state that you can't adjust for inflation, as some are wont to do, and then go ahead and make an unadjusted dollar to dollar comparison is intellectually bankrupt.

And all of this "Marvel fanboys suck" "DC fanboys suck" crap is immensely tiresome.

[Milkman95]

So...what you are saying is that despite whatever else this film has done in terms of box office performance, the only thing that matters is that drop?

Hmmm.....not buying that one, sorry. It looks to me to be doing just fine. Not spectacular, but it is doing fine. Despite that HUGE drop..........

Yes, it's doing fine despite the record setting drop, but it's definitely a big black eye though, especially when all it had was The Break Up to deal with.

[Avalanche]

& you fail to admit & are acting like the General Public has aid nothing due to the huge drops & the fact that this Movie has gotten the LARGEST AFTER MEMORIAL DAY DROPS IN HISTORY. You fail to see that when that says something as well. It is not all about what a Movie makes opening weekend
Dude, calm down. They're just Box Office figures. This isn't life and death we're talking about.

And big drops included, X3 still did well at the Box Office. Better than the vast majority of movies. That's good enough for me.

[danoyse]

Do we have to put you DC vs. Marvel fans in a time-out? :mad:

Everyone hug and make up. :up:

[Milkman95]

Superman fans suck each other BALLS.

Superman is GAY. I mean common what kind of superhero wears UNDERWEAR on top of the pants.

And btw I think WB spent $25 million (CGI) in fixing Brandon Rouths abnormally HUGE BALLS which looked UGLY and very visible when he wore the Superman cape. U all SUPERMAN fans know that picture that came long time ago.

You're on thin ice here little boy. Stop being so immature and ridiculous. Batman wears underwear on top of his pants, so does Wolverine, so do A LOT of comic book heroes, who cares.

You need some help. I love how the internet makes everybody tough.

[Carp Man]

Man, is that calling the kettle black.

Go ahead, I've seen the list countless times before.

Last time I checked, more films usually equals more money. Guess what? Marvel has released three times as many films.

I see 14 movies each. And DC lags far behind, in opening averages, and domestic average. 145 to 97.

[Milkman95]

I see 14 movies each. And DC lags far behind.

Look closer - how many of those films were released after 1997?

[danoyse]

OK, Antarikish...you definitely need a time out.

Calm down!

[Jan Irisi]

Yes, it's doing fine despite the record setting drop, but it's definitely a big black eye though, especially when all it had was The Break Up to deal with.

There was more to the Break Up than just a simple romcom. (or whatever it was) Had it starred anyone else but Vaughn and Aniston, then we wouldn't be talking about it. Sad, but true. Sometimes the private lives of actors make more of a difference in Box office than the film itself.

As far as the black eye, it's just another black eye added to a long list of black eyes this film has, yet it still is doing fine, so....

[antariksh]

You're on thin ice here little boy. Stop being so immature and ridiculous. Batman wears underwear on top of his pants, so does Wolverine, so do A LOT of comic book heroes, who cares.

You need some help. I love how the internet makes everybody tough.

Batman and wolverine do NOT wear underwear in MOVIES. They would look extremely stupid and GAY. They wear in the comics and sometimes in the cartoons.

But Superman does in the movies so he is GAY.

[DC & Marvel]

You're on thin ice here little boy. Stop being so immature and ridiculous. Batman wears underwear on top of his pants, so does Wolverine, so do A LOT of comic book heroes, who cares

:up:

[Jan Irisi]

I sense a banning coming.........

[Milkman95]

There was more to the Break Up than just a simple romcom. (or whatever it was) Had it starred anyone else but Vaughn and Aniston, then we wouldn't be talking about it. Sad, but true. Sometimes the private lives of actors make more of a difference in Box office than the film itself.

As far as the black eye, it's just another black eye added to a long list of black eyes this film has, yet it still is doing fine, so....

Agreed.

[danoyse]

Enough with the gay comments. No one is impressed. :mad:

[Milkman95]

I sense a banning coming.........

Definitely - that's the second time that little girl has been out of line with me.

[antariksh]

hey so i was right about X3 dropping bwteen 50-52%.

[DC & Marvel]

Superman does in the movies so he is GAY.

:rolleyes:

I see this Thread getting locked if People dont calm down & stop over re acting

[Iceman]

Batman and wolverine do NOT wear underwear in MOVIES. They would look extremely stupid and GAY. They wear in the comics and sometimes in the cartoons.

But Superman does in the movies so he is GAY.Please get back on topic Antariksh. Thanks.

[danoyse]

There was more to the Break Up than just a simple romcom. (or whatever it was) Had it starred anyone else but Vaughn and Aniston, then we wouldn't be talking about it. Sad, but true. Sometimes the private lives of actors make more of a difference in Box office than the film itself.

As far as the black eye, it's just another black eye added to a long list of black eyes this film has, yet it still is doing fine, so....

Exactly. It wasn't just a romantic comedy, it was a Vince Vaughn movie. If it had dropped as much to "The Lake House," be hiding in a corner right now.

But I can deal...I have no control over any of this, so I don't really worry that much about it. :)

[Milkman95]

Batman and wolverine do NOT wear underwear in MOVIES. They would look extremely stupid and GAY. They wear in the comics and sometimes in the cartoons.

But Superman does in the movies so he is GAY.

You need some help. Don't you have to get to work at 7-11?

[GL's Light]

And btw I think WB spent $25 million (CGI) in fixing Brandon Rouths abnormally HUGE BALLS which looked UGLY and very visible when he wore the Superman cape. U all SUPERMAN fans know that picture that came long time ago.
Ah, everything is clear now. Antariksh hates Superman because he's intimidated by Brandon Routh's huge balls. Everything has a reason. :cool:

[Carp Man]

Dude, calm down. They're just Box Office figures. This isn't life and death we're talking about.

And big drops included, X3 still did well at the Box Office. Better than the vast majority of movies. That's good enough for me.

Well said. Just that some must remain dogmatic. And X3 did extremly well. Getting ready to break thru that 400 million mark. Who would have thunk it this soon. :)

[antariksh]

You need some help. Don't you have to get to work at 7-11?

hey wtf. Do u know me??
How did u know i had work between 7-11???? :eek:

[Carp Man]

Ah, everything is clear now. Antariksh hates Superman because he's intimidated by Brandon Routh's huge balls. Everything has a reason. :cool:

Well they did have the same problem with FF, especially Johnny's bulge, but they had no problem with Jessicas bulge.:eek: Boobs:up: , bulge :down :):D

[Milkman95]

hey wtf. Do u know me??
How did u know i had work between 7-11???? :eek:

No, I don't know you. I don't have any friends that work AT 7-11 or are clowns.

[danoyse]

Yes, it's doing fine despite the record setting drop, but it's definitely a big black eye though, especially when all it had was The Break Up to deal with.

But see...it set two records in one week instead of just one. :p

[Iceman]

Well said. Just that some must remain dogmatic. And X3 did extremly well. Getting ready to break thru that 400 million mark. Who would have thunk it this soon. :)Carp Man where does your overseas figure come from? It seems to be more up to date than what I've got.

[Jan Irisi]

Exactly. It wasn't just a romantic comedy, it was a Vince Vaughn movie. If it had dropped as much to "The Lake House," be hiding in a corner right now.

But I can deal...I have no control over any of this, so I don't really worry that much about it. :)

Yeah. It was released ironically at the time of the baby Jolie-Pitt, and there was the whole Aniston/Vaughn thing going on too. The reason people went to see this thing and the reason it was so huge is the same reason People Magazine and the National Enquirer sells magazines. Tabloid fodder.

[Angry Sentinel]

I see 14 movies each. And DC lags far behind, in opening averages, and domestic average. 145 to 97.

Errrr... I'll repost this in case you missed it...


On the box office takes of DC and Marvel films: You can't compare the unadjusted box office of films released decades apart. You either have to adjust for inflation, or, if you have some objection to adjusting for inflation (based on the entertainment environments being so different, then and now), then you have to take the position that no comparison can be made. But to state that you can't adjust for inflation, as some are wont to do, and then go ahead and make an unadjusted dollar to dollar comparison is intellectually bankrupt.

And personally I think inflation adjustment is the correct thing to do, which would put The original Superman movie above $500 million alone.

[danoyse]

Yeah. It was released ironically at the time of the baby Jolie-Pitt, and there was the whole Aniston/Vaughn thing going on too. The reason people went to see this thing and the reason it was so huge is the same reason People Magazine and the National Enquirer sells magazines. Tabloid fodder.

And personally, I think anyone who sees a movie because they think the two stars are having an affair are more pathetic than someone who shows up at a superhero movie in costume.

[antariksh]

Well they did have the same problem with FF, especially Johnny's bulge, but they had no problem with Jessicas bulge.:eek: Boobs:up: , bulge :down :):D

Ummm wait it was actually the guy who played Mr. Fantastic had the bulge if i am not mistaken.

Ya boobs (on girls ofcourse) no problem but BUGLE sucks.

[Jan Irisi]

And personally, I think anyone who sees a movie because they think the two stars are having an affair are more pathetic than someone who shows up at a superhero movie in costume.


:D

Yet, it still goes on. Sad........

[Carp Man]

Carp Man where does your overseas figure come from? It seems to be more up to date than what I've got.

I get it from AD mostly. He comes up with the overseas figures from other sites besides Mojo. So those overseas #'s are estimates. Mojo comes out with then Tuesday, or wednesday.

[Carp Man]

Ummm wait it was actually the guy who played Mr. Fantastic had the bulge if i am not mistaken.

Ya boobs (on girls ofcourse) no problem but BUGLE sucks.

They both did. I don't know which was the bigger. Didn't pay any attention.

[Iceman]

I get it from AD mostly. He comes up with the overseas figures from other sites besides Mojo. So those overseas #'s are estimates. Mojo comes out with then Tuesday, or wednesday.OK thanks :up:

[Avalanche]

Well they did have the same problem with FF, especially Johnny's bulge, but they had no problem with Jessicas bulge.:eek: Boobs:up: , bulge :down :):D
Some one find me some bulge pictures.

I'm getting no love. I could use the material. :p

[Jan Irisi]

Some one find me some bulge pictures.

I'm getting no love. I could use the material. :p


:rolleyes:

*pours ice water on thread*

[Carp Man]

And personally, I think anyone who sees a movie because they think the two stars are having an affair are more pathetic than someone who shows up at a superhero movie in costume.

Wait a minute. Hold the phone. What the heck is the matter with someone showing up for a movie dressed in a whatever costume ? I have a bright orange shirt, with a huge picture of the Thing on front, and It's Clobbering Time on the back. Wore it to every showing of the 1st FF movie I went to see, and will wear it every showing I go to when the sequel comes out.

[antariksh]

They both did. I don't know which was the bigger. Didn't pay any attention.


why do not the studios see these problems when they hire the actors to play a superhero role.
Kinda sucks they have to waste money later on fixing them.

[Carp Man]

OK thanks :up:

His figures are pretty accurate, so you can mark them down.

[Advanced Dark]

Errrr... I'll repost this in case you missed it...

And personally I think inflation adjustment is the correct thing to do, which would put The original Superman movie above $500 million alone.

It's the right thing to do to see which movie sold the most tickets but you can't compare the marketplace in the 1970's to today. There's way more to do now compared to the 70's. Megaplexes, giant malls, home theatres, incredible video game systems, skate parks, mega-malls, MTV, cable, satellite tv, TIVO, illegal downloading, major piracy, etc...So it's really not fair. Superman in the 70's didn't have to worry about Batman coming out 2 weeks later, and then pirates, and then Spiderman, etc...Totally different.

[Carp Man]

And personally I think inflation adjustment is the correct thing to do, which would put The original Superman movie above $500 million alone.

Bogus, bogus, bogus. Inflation when it comes to movies is noncess. Cant compair the 70's, 80's, 90's to the year 2006. Had this same argument with FF, and we'll do it again here.

[GL's Light]

It's the right thing to do to see which movie sold the most tickets but you can't compare the marketplace in the 1970's to today. There's way more to do now compared to the 70's. Megaplexes, giant malls, home theatres, incredible video game systems, skate parks, mega-malls, MTV, cable, satellite tv, TIVO, illegal downloading, major piracy, etc...So it's really not fair. Superman in the 70's didn't have to worry about Batman coming out 2 weeks later, and then pirates, and then Spiderman, etc...Totally different.
Yep, adjusting allows you to compare the number of tickets on an equal basis. You can bear in mind any changes to the entertainment environment as mitigating factors, or you can declare that those changes are so vast that you don't believe any comparison can be made. The one thing that can't be done with any fairness or intellectual honesty is to compare unadjusted figures and declare today's films to be more successful than films released decades ago.

[Carp Man]

The one thing that can't be done with any fairness or intellectual honesty is to compare unadjusted figures and declare today's films to be more successful than films released decades ago.

Sure I can, watch me. :)

[GL's Light]

Sure I can, watch me. :)
Not with any legitimacy. Your motives here are too obvious and your methods reek of intellectual dishonesty, and you're smart enough to know it. On this one you don't have a leg to stand on. You can continue to stand by an untenable position with all the bravado you can muster, but only the meek and gullible will be fooled. And there's no glory in fooling the meek and gullible.

[Avalanche]

Guys, why are we arguing about the box office figures? It's ridiculous! All this bitterness toward X3, or Superman Returns, Marvel or DC. It's all incredibly childish.

[Angry Sentinel]

It's the right thing to do to see which movie sold the most tickets but you can't compare the marketplace in the 1970's to today. There's way more to do now compared to the 70's. Megaplexes, giant malls, home theatres, incredible video game systems, skate parks, mega-malls, MTV, cable, satellite tv, TIVO, illegal downloading, major piracy, etc...So it's really not fair. Superman in the 70's didn't have to worry about Batman coming out 2 weeks later, and then pirates, and then Spiderman, etc...Totally different.

Whoa, I wasn't the one doing the comparison!! I simply reposted what GL's Light had originally posted as a reminder of the same thing you are going into detail about...

It is however, Funny how you were quick to remark at me, when I mentioned Superman would have a more favorable BO number if we adjusted for inflation, yet you didn't seem to notice CarpMan's unbalanced post about Marvel Movies outnumbering and outperforming DC's movies 145 to 97... Even though I reposted That comment as well.

And even though you could agree that they are NOT comparable, for pure ticket sales, and dollar figures sake you should STILL adjust the dollar figure for inflation whenever referencing the BO numbers. Not for comparison but for a more balanced look at just what that dollar figure would represent in tickets sold today. That's all my comment was about.

[Carp Man]

And I'm still standing.

[Advanced Dark]

With today will be over 399 million and tomorrow we'll be over 400 million...even without Mon-Tue international figures.

[Advanced Dark]

Whoa, I wasn't the one doing the comparison!! I simply reposted what GL's Light had originally posted as a reminder of the same thing you are going into detail about...

It is however, Funny how you were quick to remark at me, when I mentioned Superman would have a more favorable BO number if we adjusted for inflation, yet you didn't seem to notice CarpMan's unbalanced post about Marvel Movies outnumbering and outperforming DC's movies 145 to 97... Even though I reposted That comment as well.

And even though you could agree that they are NOT comparable, for pure ticket sales, and dollar figures sake you should STILL adjust the dollar figure for inflation whenever referencing the BO numbers. Not for comparison but for a more balanced look at just what that dollar figure would represent in tickets sold today. That's all my comment was about.

Calm down there is no conspiracy and I wasn't attacking you. I don't read every post here. I just saw yours and made that comment. I agree adjusting for inflation when comparing X2 to X3 or Batman Begins to Spiderman 2, etc...But it's a whole different animal comparing 70's films to today unless you add home video revenue to the box office revenue, as well as rental income, pay per view, etc...It's just not the same. Movies were in theatres much longer because there really was no choice, and waiting for a VHS tape to come out to play on your 19" Sanyo is different than today where you can wait for a DVD and play it on a wide screen plasma in THX. It's just different and only proves more people spent time in the movies in the 70's due to lack of options.

[Carp Man]

It is however, Funny how you were quick to remark at me, when I mentioned Superman would have a more favorable BO number if we adjusted for inflation, yet you didn't seem to notice CarpMan's unbalanced post about Marvel Movies outnumbering and outperforming DC's movies 145 to 97.

He must be one of the gulible ones GL mentioned, because in a strange way he agrees with me. :)

[Angry Sentinel]

Sure I can, watch me. :) WOW... now this is just pure TROLLING... look what you just posted in response to me...



Bogus, bogus, bogus. Inflation when it comes to movies is noncess. Cant compair the 70's, 80's, 90's to the year 2006. Had this same argument with FF, and we'll do it again here.


Come on, you cannot really be serious... How can someone post the exact opposing comment in less than 15 minutes and expect to be taken seriously?

[Angry Sentinel]

Calm down there is no conspiracy and I wasn't attacking you. I don't read every post here. I just saw yours and made that comment. I agree adjusting for inflation when comparing X2 to X3 or Batman Begins to Spiderman 2, etc...But it's a whole different animal comparing 70's films to today unless you add home video revenue to the box office revenue, as well as rental income, pay per view, etc...It's just not the same. Movies were in theatres much longer because there really was no choice, and waiting for a VHS tape to come out to play on your 19" Sanyo is different than today where you can wait for a DVD and play it on a wide screen plasma in THX. It's just different and only proves more people spent time in the movies in the 70's due to lack of options.

You are still have not seen what's going on here Blades.... Check this guy out


And I'm still standing.

He must be one of the gulible ones GL mentioned, because in a strange way he agrees with me. :)
Oh com-on MODS, this guy is begging for a banning, he's just some bored hypster from another forum whose cloned themselves and are intentionally being wrong!

[Advanced Dark]

Carpman is...different. He's cool though. He'll be much more animated as FF2 approaches...huh Carp? LOL

We'll be tag teaming the Superman trolls as they attack the FF2 boards in early 07. LOL

[Carp Man]

Carpman is...different. He's cool though. He'll be much more animated as FF2 approaches...huh Carp? LOL

We'll be tag teaming the Superman trolls as they attack the FF2 boards in early 07. LOL

Yea. Only difference is there won't be any BB to push off on. But yea the'll be out, and we'll be waiting. :up:

[Advanced Dark]

Yea. Only difference is there won't be any BB to push off on. But yea the'll be out, and we'll be waiting. :up:

:)


http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237988

[Carp Man]

:)


http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237988

The film's director, Bryan Singer, who is gay, insisted to "Entertainment Weekly" that Superman "is probably the most heterosexual character in any movie I've ever made." (Whatever that means)

Yea what does that mean ? :eek: Why would you even have to make a statement like that ? There were always questions about Batman and Robin, and the movie did nothing to quell those q's. And now Batwomen is comming out ? What's going on at DC ?

[BMM]

It's the right thing to do to see which movie sold the most tickets but you can't compare the marketplace in the 1970's to today. There's way more to do now compared to the 70's. Megaplexes, giant malls, home theatres, incredible video game systems, skate parks, mega-malls, MTV, cable, satellite tv, TIVO, illegal downloading, major piracy, etc...So it's really not fair. Superman in the 70's didn't have to worry about Batman coming out 2 weeks later, and then pirates, and then Spiderman, etc...Totally different.

I agree that it is rather difficult to compare tickets, etc. via the two different market places, but half of those reasons are ridiculous . . . megaplexes and giant malls . . . as if they didn't have large malls or theaters in the 1970s . . . and believe it or not, people were satisfied with the televsion programs they received before MTV, cable, satellite TV, TIVO, etc. It's not as though television didn't influence people's decisions to not go to the movies in the 1970s either . . . and the same can be said for video games as well . . . again, society did function without these things at one point in time, and maintained equal distractions in the place of video games, etc . . . and I don't know what is with the last example. It's not as though The Last Stand (or any movie) has ever faced a line-up like that . . . regardless, there was, and always has been, vast competition between films--this is not new.

Piracy is a much more legitimate problem than the vast majority of those examples, as it is actually an issue that wasn't present during the 1970s, nor was there anything really comparable to it. Regardless, piracy alone does not account for certain disparities . . . most notably those in the population difference.

If you want a topic that really highlights the disparity between the number of people available to go to the movies in the 1970s vs. 2000+ . . . here's one for you--the population. The world population has more than doubled since the 1970s. At that time, the world population comprised of 3.5-4.5 billion people. Whereas now, the world population has more than doubled maintaining over 9 billion people . . . that allows for a lot more people to go see movies today than 30 years ago.

Bogus, bogus, bogus. Inflation when it comes to movies is noncess
Inflation is bogus . . . That's probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard . . .



On a side-note, why are we even discussing Batman Begins v. Fantastic Four? How is this even an issue? Batman Begins was a better movie. Critics, fans, and non-fans actually liked Batman Begins . . . and as a result it did better via the box office. Not much to compare. Case closed.

[Carp Man]

Inflation is bogus . . . That's probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard . . .

When it comes to MOVIES. Not the general economy. Believe you me. I feel inflation every 2 weeks when I get my paycheck. When i have to put 50 dollars to fill up my tank, when in the 70's I could do it for 5, when gas was 24 cents a gallon. There was less pull on your entertainment buck back in the 70's then today. Today you have computers, the internet, you can download movies for a fee, or free if you chose to go that way. Gas prices, the overall econamy.So don't tell me that Superman, Gone With The Wind, ect, ect, would make anywhere near the dollars some say it would. Only 2 movies ever that has made over a billion dollars worldwide is Titanic, and Lord Of The Ring.

[Angry Sentinel]

edit....!

[Angry Sentinel]

And I don't care if you compare them or not. There is no reason to reference Superman 79' and only use that monitary figure that is stated when you know damn well tickets only costed about 1/4 of what the cost today. If you are going to post the figure, post it as it would appear today. Regardless of all the 'reasons' for it selling that many tickets, it STILL sold that many tickets!

When it comes to MOVIES. Not the general economy. Believe you me. I feel inflation every 2 weeks when I get my paycheck. When i have to put 50 dollars to fill up my tank, when in the 70's I could do it for 10, when gas was 24 cents a gallon. There was less pull on your entertainment buck back in the 70's then today. Today you have computers, the internet, you can download movies for a fee, or free if you chose to go that way. Gas prices, the overall econamy.So don't tell me that Superman, Gone With The Wind, ect, ect, would make anywhere near the dollars some say it would. Only movie ever that has made over a billion dollars worldwide is Titanic. This could go on forever, but COM-ON!! It's like the man said, just because these gadgets and doo-hickeys didn't exist in 1970 does not mean the public didn't spend money on entertainment. The only way we would know if your statement is true or not is to have SEVERAL well learned ECONOMIST do a comparable study on the entertainment spending of that time against this one.... Somehow I don't think the percentage would be as big a difference as you would like it to be.

[Advanced Dark]

There were less forms of entertainment for kids as far as things to "pay for" in the 70's comapred to today. Sure they could go out and play stickball, or build a fort, or play Monopoly & watch the The 6 Million dollar man & the Carol Burnett show...but today's marketplace is vastly different than the 70's and every single media analyst will mirror that same thought as indisuptable fact.

In the 70's they also didn't have to deal with this and piracy is so easy now it's sick.

June 20, 2006

MPA: China piracy cost biz $2.7 bil in '05

SHANGHAI -- Piracy in China cost filmmakers $2.7 billion last year, with domestic firms shouldering more than half those losses, according to a study commissioned by a trade group representing the major Hollywood studios. China's film industry lost about $1.5 billion in revenue to piracy last year, while the major U.S. studios lost $565 million, according to data released Monday by the Motion Picture Association (MPA), whose members include the studio units of Time Warner, Walt Disney Co. and Viacom Inc. The study was the first for China done by a third party, LEK Consulting, for the MPA, which previously did a similar annual study itself. (Reuters) http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/images/arrow.gifFULL STORY (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/international/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002690304)

[Angry Sentinel]

Dang it Blades.... Carp Man is YOUR allias, isn't he :rolleyes:

I'm outta here...

[BMM]

When it comes to MOVIES. Not the general economy. Believe you me. I feel inflation every 2 weeks when I get my paycheck. When i have to put 50 dollars to fill up my tank, when in the 70's I could do it for 5, when gas was 24 cents a gallon. There was less pull on your entertainment buck back in the 70's then today. Today you have computers, the internet, you can download movies for a fee, or free if you chose to go that way. Gas prices, the overall econamy.So don't tell me that Superman, Gone With The Wind, ect, ect, would make anywhere near the dollars some say it would. Only movie ever that has made over a billion dollars worldwide is Titanic.

In so far as I'm aware the film/entertainment industry is a vast economic contributor and therefore makes a vast impact on the U.S. economy . . . likewise, the U.S. economy makes a vast impact on the film/entertainment industry. This aspect doesn't simply get to be ignored. Like it or not, inflation is adjusted for anything and everything belonging and contributing to our economic system . . . and as such, the film/entertainment is included, and therefore is subject to such adjustments, especially when making comparisons about the value of cash flows between two differering economic periods.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yeah but you can't adjust inflation without adjusting for marketplace changes. Home theatres, dvd rentals, $13.99 for new dvd releases only months after theatrical release, tivo, piracy, video game systems, etc...That is not factored into the adjustment for inflaction. You have to add all of that lost revenue and bundle it with theatrical reveneue...which also isn't fair. It's just best not to compare box office from before the 80's with today. Films from the 90's and up you can adjust for inflation and mimizie the effects of market changes. ****, look at Gone with the Wind and adjust that for inflation. That was a tentpole picture of the era and those kind of ticket sales will never happen again...ever.

[BMM]

There were less forms of entertainment for kids as far as things to "pay for" in the 70's comapred to today. Sure they could go out and play stickball, or build a fort, or play Monopoly & watch the The 6 Million dollar man & the Carol Burnett show...but today's marketplace is vastly different than the 70's and every single media analyst will mirror that same thought as indisuptable fact.

In the 70's they also didn't have to deal with this and piracy is so easy now it's sick.

I never said the marketplace wasn't vastly different. That still doesn't make up for the notion that people in the late 1970s (seriously, almost the 1980s) didn't have anything to do but go to the movie theaters . . . honestly, stickball . . . build a fort, and play Monopoly. This is the late 1970s, not the 1950s (despite the television references). Again, it's not as though people didn't have comparable distractions back then . . . they didn't just twiddle their thumbs waiting for the sun to rise, movies to come out, and then the sun to set.

I already ackowledged the piracy issue, but I also presented one of my own . . . Piracy may have cost the film industry a couple of billion dollars . . . . but that doesn't take too much away from the added increase of upwards of 5 billion more people available to watch movies and contribute trillions more to the economy, including the film industry.

[Advanced Dark]

I never said the marketplace wasn't vastly different. That still doesn't make up for the notion that people in the late 1970s (seriously, almost the 1980s) didn't have anything to do but go to the movie theaters . . . honestly, stickball . . . build a fort, and play Monopoly. This is the late 1970s, not the 1950s (despite the television references). Again, it's not as though people didn't have comparable distractions back then . . . they didn't just twiddle their thumbs waiting for the sun to rise, movies to come out, and then the sun to set.

I already ackowledged the piracy issue, but I also presented one of my own . . . Piracy may have cost the film industry a couple of billion dollars . . . . but that doesn't take too much away from the added increase of upwards of 5 billion more people available to watch movies and contribute trillions more to the economy, including the film industry.

No it's not that. It's when a movie like Superman, Rocky, or Jaws came out it was not only a big event but probably one of the ONLY big movie events of the year. There wasn't 10-20 potential blockbusters coming out. When Star Wars came out it absorbed the nations attention as a whole more so than the new trilogy ever did by far. It was magical. Today with the DVD's and the special features, etc...it's just not anymore. There was no internet in the 70's let alone broadband until not too long ago. The internet alone created a suction from other entertainment outlets. I don't want to argue it anymore really. It's not comparable.

[BMM]

^ Yeah but you can't adjust inflation without adjusting for marketplace changes. Home theatres, dvd rentals, $13.99 for new dvd releases only months after theatrical release, tivo, piracy, video game systems, etc...That is not factored into the adjustment for inflaction. You have to add all of that lost revenue and bundle it with theatrical reveneue...which also isn't fair. It's just best not to compare box office from before the 80's with today. Films from the 90's and up you can adjust for inflation and mimizie the effects of market changes. ****, look at Gone with the Wind and adjust that for inflation. That was a tentpole picture of the era and those kind of ticket sales will never happen again...ever.

Again, you're making it sound as if there weren't equivalent distrations or reasons not to go to the movies back in the 1970s. People had reasons to not see Superman in the 1970s just like they had reasons to not see The Last Stand today. It's not as though every single human being alive went to see Superman in the 1970s and didn't go see The Last Stand because they were too busy to be bothered with TIVO. Regardless, you can still adjust for inflation via the actual figures given. I agree that movies shouldn't necessarily be compared between such different eras . . . but if people are going to post numbers to make a comparison (like some posters are saying) and don't expect them to be balanced so they are actually comparable, then that's too bad . . . the numbers are going to be adjusted for present value, including inflation . . . but overall I agree, they shouldn't be compared . . . and if they are, it's going to be difficult.

[obeastdyke]

oh yeah X-men still hasnt opened in CHINA! It openes there in July. Then Japan in Sept so we still have a lot of money to make. It will no doubt pass X-men 2. I think the last stand could make close to 500 million worldwide.

Amazing opening in South Korea by the way. Why arent u people making a big deal about it? If it were a bad opening there would be nonstop talk about it. Now talk about how amazing the film did there!!!!

[Advanced Dark]

500 no way. It's at 399 now. May 22-25 from Japan and another 15-20 in holdovers and a few million in China (a small market).

50 million in additional holdovers would be unheard of.

[GL's Light]

The South Korean opening is indeed very impressive. $ 500 million worldwide is out of reach, but $ 450 million is very doable, especially if Japan comes through with the same kind of strength as SK.

[Advanced Dark]

Last 'X-Men' promoted
Xu Wei
2006-06-20
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/img/news/200606200155_5-xman-pb-b.jpg

Director Brett Ratner (right) and actor Hugh Jackman of "X-Men: The Last Stand" promote the movie at Jin Mao Tower yesterday. The final chapter of the "X-Men" trilogy will hit local screens this summer.
ANTICIPATING the release in China of the last in the "X-Men" trilogy - "X-Men: The Last Stand" - the film's director and leading actor promoted the movie at the ongoing 9th Shanghai International Film Festival.

At a press conference yesterday at Jin Mao Tower, director Brett Ratner and actor Hugh Jackman shared their experiences behind the scenes.

Ratner, who is known as director for movies "Red Dragon" and "Rush Hour," said making such a large-sized movie with so many action and fighting scenes was challenging.

"You know, making a movie is always a hard thing, but one should enjoy it," he said.

Ratner added that the movie was different from many other action productions with dazzling special effects and magnificent scenes. In "The Last Stand," the movie makers paid most attention to the portrayal of the unique personalities of each character.

Jackman who walked the festival's red carpet at the opening ceremony was excited to meet Oscar-winning director Ang Lee there. He joked that he had passed his resume to Lee to explore opportunities to collaborate.

"And soon I will work with Nicole Kidman on an epic set in the 1940s Australia," he said.

Since the movie's world premiere in May, the saga has grossed over US$200 million. The "X-Men" in 2000 and "X2: X-Men United" in 2003 have together yielded more than US$675 million worldwide. The final chapter in the "X-Men" is expected to hit local screens in the summer.


Cool!

[Carp Man]

Yea 400 million in 24 or 25 days is most impressive. And there are those who say SR will make 400 million after it's 2nd weekend. Those who say that got into the Kryponite Kool-Aid.

[Advanced Dark]

Superman opens on a Tuesday night so it could accumulate more in 10 days than X-Men did but when Pirates comes out the game is over. Supes will likely pull 400 million worldwide faster than X3 and has a better shot of passing 500 million as long as Pirates doesn't do too much damage.

[danoyse]

I agree that it is rather difficult to compare tickets, etc. via the two different market places, but half of those reasons are ridiculous . . . megaplexes and giant malls . . . as if they didn't have large malls or theaters in the 1970s . . .

It's a huge difference now. I was a little kid in the late 70s...movie theaters weren't multiplexes, they had maybe 1 or 2 screens, tops. We didn't have VCRs, and pay-cable was brand new. I saw Star Wars in the theater when I was 3...it didn't show up on TV until I was 8.

And it used to be that summer was the most unpopular time to release movies. It was thought that most people were on the beach...which is why Universal brought "Jaws" out during the summer. It became the highest grossing film of all time by the end of summer (and reportedly beach attendance went down)...and it really launched the summer movie season that we have now.

and believe it or not, people were satisfied with the televsion programs they received before MTV, cable, satellite TV, TIVO, etc. It's not as though television didn't influence people's decisions to not go to the movies in the 1970s either . . .

But it got better when those things came around. It was such a cool thing to watch movies on cable without commercials. It was very tough to go back to regular TV once you had a cable and a VCR.

There are so many different factors now then there were back then...I'm not trying to make excuses, a good movie is a good movie...but it was a totally different atmosphere when you didn't have cable or home video.

[Carp Man]

Superman opens on a Tuesday night so it could accumulate more in 10 days than X-Men did but when Pirates comes out the game is over. Supes will likely pull 400 million worldwide faster than X3 and has a better shot of passing 500 million as long as Pirates doesn't do too much damage.

No doubt it has the POTENTIAL, to make between 400 and 500 million total. But with WB's week marketing, POTC opening weekend after, word of mouth will be hugh in determing it's suscess. Repeat customers. That caries it after the uforia is over. And yes I thik X-Men got 5 million off midnight showings.

[TNC9852002]

uforia?

-TNC

[Advanced Dark]

Midnight showings is one thing but Supes opens at 10:00 PM on Tuesday night plus all wedesday and all day thursday before the weekend. It'll probably be the fastest to 200 million for the year.

[danoyse]

No it's not that. It's when a movie like Superman, Rocky, or Jaws came out it was not only a big event but probably one of the ONLY big movie events of the year. There wasn't 10-20 potential blockbusters coming out. When Star Wars came out it absorbed the nations attention as a whole more so than the new trilogy ever did by far. It was magical. Today with the DVD's and the special features, etc...it's just not anymore. There was no internet in the 70's let alone broadband until not too long ago. The internet alone created a suction from other entertainment outlets. I don't want to argue it anymore really. It's not comparable.

It's true. I saw the original 'Star Wars' in the theater...I still remember the audience going beserk at the giant spaceship in the opening scene. And I'm totally not exaggerating here...they cheered so loud when the Death Star blew up that people were actually stomping on the floor. I'll never forget.

And with "Empire," there was no AICN to give away the entire script. "I am your father" was probably (in my moviegoing experience) the biggest jaw-dropping moment in movie history. Nothing will ever compare to that.

And it can't happen now, not with the internet and magazines that report spoilers. As much as I enjoy the internet, I do miss those days.

[danoyse]

Director Brett Ratner (right) and actor Hugh Jackman of "X-Men: The Last Stand" promote the movie at Jin Mao Tower yesterday. The final chapter of the "X-Men" trilogy will hit local screens this summer.

I couldn't figure out how to copy the picture...but wow, Hugh is so cute. :)

[Carp Man]

Midnight showings is one thing but Supes opens at 10:00 PM on Tuesday night plus all wedesday and all day thursday before the weekend. It'll probably be the fastest to 200 million for the year.

If your talking straight domestic, the record is 8 days by SM 2, and ROTS, X 3 took 17 days. If your talking worldwide then no question. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Don't know what SR forign schedule is like. If it is going to open same day worldwide like X 3 did. If it is then 200 million total is a very good possibility.

[Pickle-El]

I sense a banning coming.........


Can't wait!

[Advanced Dark]

I didn't realize X-Men beat DaVinci overseas:

June 20, 2006

'X-Men' stops 'Da Vinci' streak

More World Cup soccer and more sun continued to dent the overseas boxoffice, especially in Europe, but there were signs that the international market is stabilizing as audiences returned to multiplexes on days when the home team was not competing. In Italy, moviegoing was way down on Saturday when Italy played the U.S., but made a substantial recovery on Sunday. "People want some fresh movies," said a leading international distribution executive. As overall overseas business is estimated to have dropped some 25% to 30% over the weekend, Sony's "The Da Vinci Code," seeking a fifth straight week as the No. 1 offshore boxoffice draw, was narrowly beaten to the top by Fox's "X-Men: The Last Stand," now in its fourth overseas round. "X-Men" tallied $14.6 million from 6,271 screens in 65 markets, while "Da Vinci," after a recount of a Sunday estimate of $15.2 million, settled for $14.2 million from 7,600 screens in 85 markets. (Hy Hollinger) http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/images/arrow.gifFULL STORY (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002690651)

[Advanced Dark]

Courtesy of TerryRL - second weekend percentage drops:

#1 "Batman" (1989) -30%
#2 "Spider-Man" (2002) -37%
#3 "Batman Begins" (2005) -43%
#4 "Batman Returns" (1995) -44.3%
#5 "Batman Forever" (1992) -44.7%
#6 "Spider-Man 2" (2004) -48%
#7 "X2: X-Men United" (2003) -53%
#8 "Daredevil" (2003) -55%
#9 "X-Men" (2000) -56%
#10 "Fantastic Four" (2005) -59%
#11 "Batman & Robin" (1997) -63%
#12 "X-Men: The Last Stand" (2006) -67%
#13 "Hulk" (2003) -69%

Except X3 you're comparing a Sunday before a holiday to movies that had regular 3 day weekends on average. Not fair. You have to compare X3's Fri,Sat, & Mon #'s to any movies Fri-Sun #'s that didn't open on a holiday weekend. X3's sunday will be inflated cause Monday was a holiday.

[danoyse]

And it's crazy to compare anything past 5 years ago, considering how much the industry has changed since then.

"Cars" dropped nearly 50% this weekend too. "DaVinci" has been dropping steadily since it's opening weekend. Are they all flops too?

[Advanced Dark]

^ Once you get to before broadband then it becomes more difficult because of the ease it created in downloading, piracy, online gaming, etc...The entertainment field is leveled.

[GL's Light]

On the other hand, the strength and importance of foreign markets has grown considerably, and most current films make much more overseas than films from ten to twenty years ago.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Oh sure that's 100% true but that's a whole different market that's still growing at a very fast. The US market is shrinking in the # of overall theatres but expanding the # of megaplexes with 20-40 screens instead of a couple of 5 or 10 screen theaters. Hell there's a town called Ontario in CA that has more screens than you can imagine. At one mall there's like 45+ and outside the mall there's one two more megaplexes. LOL

[Advanced Dark]

Book of profits
Global B.O. heaven for 'Da Vinci'

By DAVE MCNARY


'The Da Vinci Code'

Numbers reported Monday had Fox's 'X-Men: The Last Stand' beating out 'The Da Vinci Code' at the foreign box office over the weekend:


"The Da Vinci Code" is now venturing into "Titanic""Titanic" territory.
Foreign gross has hit $479.1 million, representing 71% of the worldwide total of $678 million.

Those numbers place "Code" on the verge of passing "Forrest Gump""Forrest Gump" as the top-grossing drama after James CameronJames Cameron's blockbuster.

Sony reported Monday that "Code" finished its fifth weekend with $14.2 million at 7,800 playdates overseas, declining 35% from the previous frame. The figure -- $1 million off Sunday's estimate -- left Fox's "X-Men: The Last Stand" as the weekend's winner with $14.6 million at 6,271 engagements and ended the religious thriller's foreign box office win streak at four weekends.

While "X-Men 3" generated half its weekend gross from launches in South Korea and Taiwan, "Code" managed to show impressive staying power despite its lack of action plus the massive distraction of three World Cup matches per day.

The performance also validates Sony execs' belief that "Code" could serve as effective counterprogramming during the surfeit of soccer games, tapping into the female adult audience that is often the final quadrant to go see films. Pic's grossed nearly $50 million in foreign markets since the World Cup matches started June 9 even though it had already been open for three weeks.

"Code" bizbiz has stayed particularly strong in Japan, declining less than 30% each weekend to reach $63 million -- by far the best mark among foreign markets.

Though Japan's the largest international territory, studios often find it's a daunting task to connect with moviegoers there. Mark Zucker, President of Sony Pictures Intl. Releasing, cited the absence of religious controversy in Japan over Dan Brown's novel plus an extensive promopromo campaign that launched over the New Year's holiday as key factors.

"Japan can be difficult, but it will support big films," Zucker added.

"Code" also managed to gross at least $1 million in four soccer-obsessed European markets -- the U.K., Germany, France and Spain. BlightyBlighty cume has hit $51 million, while German receipts have eclipsed $43 million.

Meanwhile, the "X-Men""X-Men" sequel has cumed $181 million overseas so far.

Extraordinary overseas grosses for "Da Vinci" far outshine its solid domestic perfperf, which was on the verge of hitting $200 million Monday. Pic is only the second to hit that mark this year amid several disappointing summer tentpoles such as "Mission: Impossible III," "Poseidon" and "Over the Hedge." Only "X-Men: the Last Stand" has done better, cuming $216 million. Marvel superhero sequel is likely to keep that lead, at least until "Superman Returns" and "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" open.

With the weekend gross coming in $2.5 million higher than estimates at $33.7 million, Disney's PixarPixar toontoon "Cars" has now hit $117 million domestic. Its 44% second weekend drop is the biggest for any Pixar toon excluding those that opened over Thanksgiving and means "Cars" is on track to be only the No. 5 Pixar toon of all time, likely ending up ahead of the original "Toy Story""Toy Story" ($192 million) but behind "Toy Story 2""Toy Story 2" ($246 million).

http://www.variety.com

[obeastdyke]

so X-men did beat Davinci this week then or last I should say. Good for it.

[CapBeerCino]

so X-men did beat Davinci this week then or last I should say. Good for it.

x-3 $378.5 tDC $677.7

The eyes of the beholder I guess...

[Carp Man]

And it's crazy to compare anything past 5 years ago, considering how much the industry has changed since then.

"Cars" dropped nearly 50% this weekend too. "DaVinci" has been dropping steadily since it's opening weekend. Are they all flops too?

Good point. It's not ALL because they are crappy movies. It's the economy, and other things. It's easy to blame big drops on the quality of movies. But there are so many other factors involved. And it happens to good, and bad movies. Some movies benefit from the fact that it has no real competion at the theater for 2 or 3 weeks, ( see BB ), but those are few and far between. FF had to deal with WC, AND CATCF, its 2nd weekend. So yea, was it because FF was a crappy movie that they had a big drop ? NO. Competition. Same with X-Men, and it will be the same with SR. Da Vinci had a 56 % drop it's 2nd weekend. And when SR drops, will it be because SR is a bad movie ? Not necessarly, just the way things are today. Da Vinci has made close to 700 million, but look at the #'s. 29.3 % domestic, 70.7 % overseas. MI-3, 39 % domestic, 61 % overseas. Overseas #'s carry many movies.

[antariksh]

Good point. It's not ALL because they are crappy movies. It's the economy, and other things. It's easy to blame big drops on the quality of movies. But there are so many other factors involved. And it happens to good, and bad movies. Some movies benefit from the fact that it has no real competion at the theater for 2 or 3 weeks, ( see BB ), but those are few and far between. FF had to deal with WC, AND CATCF, its 2nd weekend. So yea, was it because FF was a crappy movie that they had a big drop ? NO. Competition. Same with X-Men, and it will be the same with SR. Da Vinci had a 56 % drop it's 2nd weekend. And when SR drops, will it be because SR is a bad movie ? Not necessarly, just the way things are today. Da Vinci has made close to 700 million, but look at the #'s. 29.3 % domestic, 70.7 % overseas. MI-3, 39 % domestic, 61 % overseas. Overseas #'s carry many movies.

Ya and F4 had to deal with WOTW. CATCF had simliar demography as F4 that is why it dropped 59% on second weekend.
But F4 did do well overseas ($175million) even with heavy competetion like WOTW, Madagascar, Mr. and Ms. Smith, BB and CATCF.

X3 not doing well overseas is the franchise's weakness. Can't do much about it. X3 does has potential to do more overseas compared to domestic depending on how it holds in South Korea and Taiwan and other countries before it releases in Japan.

[Milkman95]

Except X3 you're comparing a Sunday before a holiday to movies that had regular 3 day weekends on average. Not fair. You have to compare X3's Fri,Sat, & Mon #'s to any movies Fri-Sun #'s that didn't open on a holiday weekend. X3's sunday will be inflated cause Monday was a holiday.

This is the second weekend numbers for these films, which was not a Holiday weekend for X3. It's a fair comparison.

[Angry Sentinel]

uforia?

-TNC LMAO :D

[echostation]

Angry Sentinel... is that sentinel pic in your avatar the one where the Sentinel becomes a fully sentient acrobatic warrior who ultimately fights for good but then doesn't like the fact that Sethu has arrived to push the fundamental point of Avalon in the world... the EARTH?

[Avalanche]

I didn't realize X-Men beat DaVinci overseas:
Da Vinci Code is still massively more successful overseas though. It's gross is double that of X3.

[Angamb]

which is the foreign boxoffice of X3 already?

[Carp Man]

which is the foreign boxoffice of X3 already?

look at my sig.

[Sunstar]

x-3$378.5 tDC $677.7

The eyes of the beholder I guess...

Hold on X3 made $216 million in the US and $181 million overseas so that = $397 million worldwide!

[Advanced Dark]

This is the second weekend numbers for these films, which was not a Holiday weekend for X3. It's a fair comparison.

You don't get my point. I'm saying when you figure how much X3 declined from week 1 to week 2 you should compare fri,sat,mon from week 1 against fri-sun of week 2 to figure the % decline of X3. Because the sun in week one was prior to a holiday.

[flavio_lebeau]

X3 is a 3rd movie, we cant expect like double what X2 did...lots of people, including my brohter, deceived of seeing the movie because he thought he wouldnt understand anything. Lots of people think the same, then dont watch the movie. If we have a bigger box office, its great, more people got into the franchise, but we could never expect X3 to be an extreme hit, just because its a sequel, unlike some movies like DVC which requires no previous knowleddge...mho...i already consider X3 VERY successfull

[COME ON !]

I agree that it is rather difficult to compare tickets, etc. via the two different market places, but half of those reasons are ridiculous . . . megaplexes and giant malls . . . as if they didn't have large malls or theaters in the 1970s . . . and believe it or not, people were satisfied with the televsion programs they received before MTV, cable, satellite TV, TIVO, etc. It's not as though television didn't influence people's decisions to not go to the movies in the 1970s either . . . and the same can be said for video games as well . . . again, society did function without these things at one point in time, and maintained equal distractions in the place of video games, etc . . . and I don't know what is with the last example. It's not as though The Last Stand (or any movie) has ever faced a line-up like that . . . regardless, there was, and always has been, vast competition between films--this is not new.

Piracy is a much more legitimate problem than the vast majority of those examples, as it is actually an issue that wasn't present during the 1970s, nor was there anything really comparable to it. Regardless, piracy alone does not account for certain disparities . . . most notably those in the population difference.

If you want a topic that really highlights the disparity between the number of people available to go to the movies in the 1970s vs. 2000+ . . . here's one for you--the population. The world population has more than doubled since the 1970s. At that time, the world population comprised of 3.5-4.5 billion people. Whereas now, the world population has more than doubled maintaining over 9 billion people . . . that allows for a lot more people to go see movies today than 30 years ago.


Inflation is bogus . . . That's probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard . . .



On a side-note, why are we even discussing Batman Begins v. Fantastic Four? How is this even an issue? Batman Begins was a better movie. Critics, fans, and non-fans actually liked Batman Begins . . . and as a result it did better via the box office. Not much to compare. Case closed.

Can't believe no-one commented on this. The world population is around 6,5 billion.

[Fanticon]

Monday totals anyone?

[GL's Light]

According to SBD, Monday's number for X3 is $ 910,000 (ranked # 7, 65% drop from Sunday). That puts the domestic total at $ 217.129 million.

[Fanticon]

oh great...its dropping so fast...do you think it'll be outa the top 10 by friday?

[MJB]

According to SBD, Monday's number for X3 is $ 910,000 (ranked # 7, 65% drop from Sunday). That puts the domestic total at $ 217.129 million.


Well it looks like this will be the Last Stand.

[Carp Man]

oh great...its dropping so fast...do you think it'll be outa the top 10 by friday?

I thought it could make around a million a day till the 28th when SR opens, but it appears that may not be the case. I predicted 225 to 230 domestic by the time SR opens, and for now I'll stick with that.

[Visionary]

I'm just happy it kicked X2's ass domestically. And soon it's going to kick its ass overseas...and worldwide!

Great News! :)

[Advanced Dark]

No 700-900 each day this week is fine. It'll hit 230 easy. Next week 400-500 day, etc...

[Advanced Dark]

I'm just happy it kicked X2's ass domestically. And soon it's going to kick its ass overseas...and worldwide!

Great News! :)

Yep and more importantly it wrecked DC's Batman Begins on the domestic and international front.

[COME ON !]

Yep and more importantly it wrecked DC's Batman Begins on the domestic and international front.

But BB had a much lower budget and was preceded by the awful Batman & Robin. The sequel to BB will do better.

[COME ON !]

I'm just happy it kicked X2's ass domestically. And soon it's going to kick its ass overseas...and worldwide!

Great News! :)

Not really. X2 made 233 mill domestic when adjusted for inflation. It had a much lower budget too.

[Advanced Dark]

^ X3 is making more overseas than X2 as well, and more than Batman Begins overseas and domestic. It did have a higher budget and is selling about the same # of tickets as X2...it's all good.

[COME ON !]

^ X3 is making more overseas than X2 as well, and more than Batman Begins overseas and domestic. It did have a higher budget and is selling about the same # of tickets as X2...it's all good.

It's doing OK, yeah. But X2 was far more profitable for Fox at this point than X3 is now.

[Angamb]

look at my sig.

how do you know it? I can't see it in BoMojo. :confused:

[Carp Man]

Yep and more importantly it wrecked DC's Batman Begins on the domestic and international front.

Come on AD, let's not go there. LOL. We know, and they know. Worldwide by about 30 million now. $ 371.8 total BB.

[Carp Man]

how do you know it? I can't see it in BoMojo. :confused:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=x3.htm

Go down to the box that says, total lifetime grosses.

[Visionary]

It's doing OK, yeah. But X2 was far more profitable for Fox at this point than X3 is now.
Who cares what FOX gets, I just want it on record that X3 made more on the Box office records. This isn't an easy task to do for a third movie made by a different director. I'm just glad it did this well, for it is my favorite.;)

[crappymovie]

Mojo's Monday number: $884,732

X2 made $2,738,716 HOLIDAY MONDAY
X-Men made $985,955

X3 is falling faster than X1, and it has greater competition coming up as well (Click, Superman Returns, while X1 was respectively playing out in the dead month of August)

The final tally will likely be around $230 million if it basically dies when Superman Returns comes out, and maybe $237 million if it can hold up when the competition arrives.

So, about $15-20 million more than X2. Does that warrant an X4?:(

[Angamb]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=x3.htm

Go down to the box that says, total lifetime grosses.

I can't see it. But in the web it says

Foreign:$162,237,482

:confused:

[crappymovie]

Who cares what FOX gets, I just want it on record that X3 made more on the Box office records. This isn't an easy task to do for a third movie made by a different director. I'm just glad it did this well, for it is my favorite.;)

Batman Forever did it, and it wasn't the greatest film. I can't think of many other different third director films (meaning, first two had the same director, third had a different one.)

Batman Forever grossed about $20 million more than Batman Returns. WB assumed that this meant the public appreciated Schumacher's tone. Batman & Robin ensued (and made about $70 million less than Batman Forever.)

[Visionary]

It is rare, and that's my point. I don't like any of those Bat films, except the first one.

[Advanced Dark]

The Burton Batman films were different but when you watch Batman Begins and go back and watch Burton's Batman...Begins put's it to shame. They're very different films but I can't even watch Burton's films anymore.

[Carp Man]

I can't see it. But in the web it says

Foreign:$162,237,482

:confused:

Mojo's Foreign box office is not updated till Wednesday every week, but my buddy AD, gives me the total updated foreign boxoffice from his sources on Sunday. So the figures on my sig are the updated foreign #'s thru the weekend, according to AD's, sources. Mojo won't updated theirs till tomorrow.

[Carp Man]

So, about $15-20 million more than X2. Does that warrant an X4?:(

Let me tell ya something. After FF's opening weekend of 56 million, Avi comfirmed a sequel. So I would say, X-Mens opeing weekend warrants a sequel, whenever it comes. When it hits 410 million, that will be a 200 million profit, so I thinkthat also warants a 4th movie.

[COME ON !]

Let me tell ya something. After FF's opening weekend of 56 million, Avi comfirmed a sequel. So I would say, X-Mens opeing weekend warrants a sequel, whenever it comes. When it hits 410 million, that will be a 200 million profit, so I thinkthat also warants a 4th movie.

200 millon dollar profit ? No way, that's not how it works.

[Advanced Dark]

No it should make about 450 million worldwide or damn close to it. So 240 million dollars x .55 = the studio take. That's just theatrical. Then you have DVD, PPV, & TV rights and X3 will make 200 million in profit no doubt. Just won't make it from theatrical alone.

[Angamb]

Mojo's Foreign box office is not updated till Wednesday every week, but my buddy AD, gives me the total updated foreign boxoffice from his sources on Sunday. So the figures on my sig are the updated foreign #'s thru the weekend, according to AD's, sources. Mojo won't updated theirs till tomorrow.

If the numbers are true then, I'm a little dissapointed with the foreign boxoffice, at this time, X3 should have more than that. :(

[Carp Man]

No it should make about 450 million worldwide or damn close to it. So 240 million dollars x .55 = the studio take. That's just theatrical. Then you have DVD, PPV, & TV rights and X3 will make 200 million in profit no doubt. Just won't make it from theatrical alone.

Exactually. Box office is just a fraction of the total it will make. and 55 % of 400 million is 220 million right now. And people talk like it is dead in the water. Not so. Still has lots of play left.

[Carp Man]

If the numbers are true then, I'm a little dissapointed with the foreign boxoffice, at this time, X3 should have more than that. :(

Remember it just opened in Korea, and it will open in Japan on 9/9. China 7/27. 181.5 million is nothing to sneeze at. And from what i've heard the Korean #'s were excelent.

[COME ON !]

No it should make about 450 million worldwide or damn close to it. So 240 million dollars x .55 = the studio take. That's just theatrical. Then you have DVD, PPV, & TV rights and X3 will make 200 million in profit no doubt. Just won't make it from theatrical alone.

Yeah, it will eventually make a healthy profit. Carp Man made it sound like it had already made a 200 mill profit.

[Carp Man]

Yeah, it will eventually make a healthy profit. Carp Man made it sound like it had already made a 200 mill profit.

At 410 million worldwide, it will have made total 200 million profit.

[COME ON !]

At 410 million worldwide, it will have made total 200 million profit.

No, that's not profit. Profit is what comes after you've covered the costs of making the movie.

[Carp Man]

No, that's not profit. Profit is what comes after you've covered the costs of making the movie.

Not going to sit here and argue with you. 210 million is the reported production cost. Marketing, ect. is not included in that figure. No one except the studio know the actual total cost of making, and marketing the movie. So no 210 million IS NOT the total cost of the movie, but we go with the figures we have. Had this same argument with batfans, during FF's run, and not going thru it again.

[COME ON !]

Not going to sit here and argue with you. 210 million is the reported production cost. Marketing, ect. is not included in that figure. No one except the studio know the actual total cost of making, and marketing the movie. So no 210 million IS NOT the total cost of the movie, but we go with the figures we have. Had this same argument with batfans, during FF's run, and not going thru it again.

You said that X3 had made a 200m profit. Obviously you don't know what profit is. Whether the movie cost 165m or 210m to make, is besides the point. The point is that X3 has not made 200m in PROFITS. It has made around 200m for the studio, barely covering the production cost or not even that. Once the movie has gone through the DVD sales, TV rights etc process, then you can begin talking about a 200m dollar PROFIT for Fox.

[Advanced Dark]

X3 will be making a profit before it hits DVD.

[COME ON !]

X3 will be making a profit before it hits DVD.

Yeah, probably. But nowhere near a 200m dollar profit from box office sales like Carp Man is talking about.

[Advanced Dark]

At 410 million worldwide, it will have made total 200 million profit.

No Come On! is right. At 410 million it's leaves 200 million after the budget in profit, however the total gross is split on average 55% to the studio however X3 was so frontloaded FOX will probably get 60-65% of the gross. Still X3 will have a decent profit before DVD,TV,Cable,PPV, and hotel sales. It'll profit by 200 million.

In reality you have to take the gross of 410 million and multiply it by 55% on average which would = $225,500,000 to Fox. The budget is around 210 million including the ad budget so at 410 million fox would have a 15 million profit. That's before DVD's and everything else however X3 will gross closer to 450 million leaving it with at least a 35 million dollar profit before DVD sales and the rest mentioned above which will be pure profit not split with theatre owners. Rental revenue will be lower on X3 because most will buy it.

^ However that's an "average" scenerio with X3 so frontloaded I'd count on 60-65% for Fox since so much came in the first week.

[COME ON !]

No Come On! is right. At 410 million it's leaves 200 million after the budget in profit, however the total gross is split on average 55% to the studio however X3 was so frontloaded FOX will probably get 60-65% of the gross. Still X3 will have a decent profit before DVD,TV,Cable,PPV, and hotel sales. It'll profit by 200 million.

In reality you have to take the gross of 410 million and multiply it by 55% on average which would = $225,500,000 to Fox. The budget is around 210 million including the ad budget so at 410 million fox would have a 15 million profit. That's before DVD's and everything else however X3 will gross closer to 450 million leaving it with at least a 35 million dollar profit before DVD sales and the rest mentioned above which will be pure profit not split with theatre owners. Rental revenue will be lower on X3 because most will buy it.

^ However that's an "average" scenerio with X3 so frontloaded I'd count on 60-65% for Fox since so much came in the first week.

Thank you.

[Carp Man]

You said that X3 had made a 200m profit. Obviously you don't know what profit is. Whether the movie cost 165m or 210m to make, is besides the point. The point is that X3 has not made 200m in PROFITS. It has made around 200m for the studio, barely covering the production cost or not even that. Once the movie has gone through the DVD sales, TV rights etc process, then you can begin talking about a 200m dollar PROFIT for Fox.

.....

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yes so we're using that 210 million in my post above. Maybe it's less. It's always nice though when a film doubles it's budget in theaters.

[COME ON !]

.....

Check out post #3188 in this thread. AdvancedDark explained it to you.

[Carp Man]

^ Yes so we're using that 210 million in my post above. Maybe it's less. It's always nice though when a film doubles it's budget in theaters.

I was taking the entire movie will more then double its budget. 410 million - 210 million = 200 million profit total. The movie has made 200 million profit total. Not taking about everyones cut. I'm talking total here, before everyone gets their %.

[Carp Man]

Check out post #3188 in this thread. AdvancedDark explained it to you.

I ran a Wal Mart store for 31 years. I know all about gross sales, net sales, gross profit, and net profit. When you want lessons come see me.

[Advanced Dark]

^ That isn't profit though so that's where you're confusing people. The movie netted 200 million after budget won't cause all of this confusion and arguing. I understand what you're saying.

[Carp Man]

^ That isn't profit though so that's where you're confusing people. The movie netted 200 million after budget won't cause all of this confusion and arguing. I understand what you're saying.

I know what the hell i'm talking about. I didn't just fall out of the banana tree yesterday.

[COME ON !]

I ran a Wal Mart store for 31 years. I know all about gross sales, net sales, gross profit, and net profit. When you want lessons come see me.

No need to get ugly. It's not my fault people didn't know what the hell you were talking about.

[Advanced Dark]

I know what the hell i'm talking about. I didn't just fall out of the banana tree yesterday.

It doesn't matter if you know what you're talking about when you're in a conversation with others...otherwise we all should just post like this:


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-Advanced Dark

[Carp Man]

It doesn't matter if you know what you're talking about when you're in a conversation with others...otherwise we all should just post like this:


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-Advanced Dark

You always bring a smile to my face buddy. :)

[Advanced Dark]

I try. Now we'd all have smiles if Tim Story would get back to his blog. Hey Carp check out my Favreau Q & A in the Marvel movies thread. You're gonna like his last response. Actually it's now on the main page at http://www.superherohype.com now too. :)

[Celestial]

To muddy the waters further, here are a couple of articles about "profit" on movies
http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?indexID=46
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/photos.htm

[Advanced Dark]

^ Is that movieball? Great article if it is.

[COME ON !]

To muddy the waters further, here are a couple of articles about "profit" on movies
http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?indexID=46
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/photos.htm

Thanks, I'll save that for when i'm in a reading mood:)

[BMM]

Can't believe no-one commented on this. The world population is around 6,5 billion.

Yeah, that's my bad. I misinterpreted the graph. 9 billion is the projected future world population, whereas the current world population is around 6.5 billion. Regardless, there are almost 3 billion more consumers in the world today than there were during the 1970s, which is still incredibly relevant to the point I was making . . . but that was yesterday's debate.

[Celestial]

^ Is that movieball? Great article if it is.
Yes and yes.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Not really because the entertainment outlets have increased more than 20 fold. Your entertainment choices that consume your time and money are everywhere. The biggest factors are:

1) Home theatres - Better than the movies with nobody kicking your seat.
2) DVD's (Cheap) - Short window to DVD release and they're cheap.
3) Rentals - Babysitters are expensive...just wait for rental.
4) Pay Per View - Why even get up?
5) Piracy - Huge impact. You can go to LA right now and get X3 on DVD or download it online.
6) The Internet - Not only as a piracy tool but as a place to hang out for instance like here, myspace, etc...
7) Broadband Internet - Enabling fast internet surfacing, downloads, great for piracy, and it's just a fun place to hang out...and it's free.
8) Video Game systems - This isn't pong anymore. How many times have you picked up your X-Box or PS2 to play a game and 4 hours are gone in no time.
9) Online computer games/online gambling, etc...These suck your whole day away.
10) Satellite TV: You can watch all your favorite sports games without going out, tons of movie channels, etc...Not to mention the pirate cable and satellite boxes you can buy.

The population increase has prevented the #'s from dropping further than they have, but they have really really helped the international box office.

I don't know why there's even an argument here. It's like trying to say 8 track sales are down without talking about cassettes and DVD's. I would go to the movies way more often if it wasn't for all these other things to do. This has all been established as fact by all the media analysts. It's not debateable except for the % of impact.

[COME ON !]

Yeah, that's my bad. I misinterpreted the graph. 9 billion is the projected future world population, whereas the current world population is around 6.5 billion. Regardless, there are almost 3 billion more consumers in the world today than there were during the 1970s, which is still incredibly relevant to the point I was making . . . but that was yesterday's debate.

Yup, I think 9 billion was what they projected for around year 2050. I'll be 64 then:)

[Carp Man]

Yup, I think 9 billion was what they projected for around year 2050. I'll be 64 then:)

In the year 2050, I'll be 95. :eek:

[COME ON !]

In the year 2050, I'll be 95. :eek:

Stay healthy:up::) My mom will be 96 in 2050, hope she is still around then:)

[Advanced Dark]

Hmmmm 95 and 96. Are you trying to set him for a date? Careful.

[Carp Man]

Hmmmm 95 and 96. Are you trying to set him for a date? Careful.

LOL. Been married 33 years. I'm fine ty. Anyway, back on topic. Domestic AND foreign box office are updated thru June 19th. Updated real figures below. About 11 million from X2's overseas #'s, and 9 million from x2's worldwide #'s.

[BMM]

^ Not really because the entertainment outlets have increased more than 20 fold. Your entertainment choices that consume your time and money are everywhere. The biggest factors are:

1) Home theatres - Better than the movies with nobody kicking your seat.
2) DVD's (Cheap) - Short window to DVD release and they're cheap.
3) Rentals - Babysitters are expensive...just wait for rental.
4) Pay Per View - Why even get up?
5) Piracy - Huge impact. You can go to LA right now and get X3 on DVD or download it online.
6) The Internet - Not only as a piracy tool but as a place to hang out for instance like here, myspace, etc...
7) Broadband Internet - Enabling fast internet surfacing, downloads, great for piracy, and it's just a fun place to hang out...and it's free.
8) Video Game systems - This isn't pong anymore. How many times have you picked up your X-Box or PS2 to play a game and 4 hours are gone in no time.
9) Online computer games/online gambling, etc...These suck your whole day away.
10) Satellite TV: You can watch all your favorite sports games without going out, tons of movie channels, etc...Not to mention the pirate cable and satellite boxes you can buy.

The population increase has prevented the #'s from dropping further than they have, but they have really really helped the international box office.

I don't know why there's even an argument here. It's like trying to say 8 track sales are down without talking about cassettes and DVD's. I would go to the movies way more often if it wasn't for all these other things to do. This has all been established as fact by all the media analysts. It's not debateable except for the % of impact.

. . . . . . again, I am simply saying that it is a relevant point (not that it is the only point in existence relative to this argument) . . . I'm not saying that the marketplace hasn't changed, because obviously it has . . . yet you continue to make it sound as if people 30 years ago had absolutely nothing to do but wait for movies to come out or die . . . before computers, the internet, and video games people actually did have other things to do like living their lives--really, I'm not making this up--which might distract one just long enough from taking a couple of hours out of his day to see a movie . . . we as a society did have other things to do in the world that would distract us from seeing movies during the 1970s (I know it seems crazy now--but people did function without these things . . . it's not like they knew what they were missing) . . .

[COME ON !]

Hmmmm 95 and 96. Are you trying to set him for a date? Careful.

It's up to him. My mom is single:)

[Advanced Dark]

Hey Carp you could have a little brother or sister. You should think about it. :)

[Advanced Dark]

. . . . . . again, I am simply saying that it is a relevant point (not that it is the only point in existence relative to this argument) . . . I'm not saying that the marketplace hasn't changed, because obviously it has . . . yet you continue to make it sound as if people 30 years ago had absolutely nothing to do but wait for movies to come out or die . . . before computers, the internet, and video games people actually did have other things to do like living their lives--really, I'm not making this up--which might distract one just long enough from taking a couple of hours out of his day to see a movie . . . we as a society did have other things to do in the world that would distract us from seeing movies during the 1970s (I know it seems crazy now--but people did function without these things . . . it's not like they knew what they were missing) . . .

There wasn't any other form of mass entertainment that could be tracked on a global or national scale. None. The internet is a global community, video games are released globally, etc...Sure you could go bowling, play mini-golf, etc...but back then most people went outside, played with their friends, had bbq's. There wasn't as many ways to spend your money...let alone stay at home and spend your money electronically. The world is shrinking into the size of your office. I can go online if I wanted and download X3 and watch it on my computer. As a MVL shareholder I wouldn't do that, actually I wouldn't do it anyways.

[COME ON !]

There wasn't any other form of mass entertainment that could be tracked on a global or national scale. None. The internet is a global community, video games are released globally, etc...Sure you could go bowling, play mini-golf, etc...but back then most people went outside, played with their friends, had bbq's. There wasn't as many ways to spend your money...let alone stay at home and spend your money electronically. The world is shrinking into the size of your office. I can go online if I wanted and download X3 and watch it on my computer. As a MVL shareholder I wouldn't do that, actually I wouldn't do it anyways.

You must be really pissed with the Chinese:eek:.

[Advanced Dark]

As a Country they suck. I have nothing against the general population just the corrupt government that allows this crap then they isolate themselves as if they're better than everyone.

I did enjoy my trip to Hong Kong back in 97 before it went back to China. :) Plenty of pirated video games and dvd's there too. That's why you're seeing movies released at the same times in many countries and they do China last. It's such a small market because of piracy.

[Carp Man]

Hey Carp you could have a little brother or sister. You should think about it. :)

well my sister is 7 years older then I am, but my dad did get around. :eek:

[Advanced Dark]

Hook it up Carpie! Carpman Diem

[COME ON !]

As a Country they suck. I have nothing against the general population just the corrupt government that allows this crap then they isolate themselves as if they're better than everyone.

I did enjoy my trip to Hong Kong back in 97 before it went back to China. :) Plenty of pirated video games and dvd's there too. That's why you're seeing movies released at the same times in many countries and they do China last. It's such a small market because of piracy.

If they decided to fight piracy in China and somehow managed to stop most of it, would that impact your Marvel stocks ? Would they soar ?:)

[Advanced Dark]

Not so much in the past as it would help as Marvel releases their internally produced slate starting with Iron Man. It's accounted for in their earnings estimates or will be. It's a fact of life. It's gonna get harder and harder for them as movies are going to be coded and it'll be easy to tell where they're were duped from and those theatre owners will be fined, and dvd equimpment will also be coded and that fingerprint will be on the copies. Once everything is digital and online Macrovision has some cool copyright protection programs that would make it near impossible to copy unless you're just video taping yoru computer though you'd need to film at a very high speed to avoid teh flickering. And even then sooner or later movies will be released at the same time in theatres and on DVD taking advantage of only one marketing push instead of 2, and eliminating piracy effects early on. The costs of tickets and downloads will go up and be double where they are now.

[COME ON !]

Not so much in the past as it would help as Marvel releases their internally produced slate starting with Iron Man. It's accounted for in their earnings estimates or will be. It's a fact of life. It's gonna get harder and harder for them as movies are going to be coded and it'll be easy to tell where they're were duped from and those theatre owners will be fined, and dvd equimpment will also be coded and that fingerprint will be on the copies. Once everything is digital and online Macrovision has some cool copyright protection programs that would make it near impossible to copy unless you're just video taping yoru computer though you'd need to film at a very high speed to avoid teh flickering. And even then sooner or later movies will be released at the same time in theatres and on DVD taking advantage of only one marketing push instead of 2, and eliminating piracy effects early on. The costs of tickets and downloads will go up and be double where they are now.

Wow, you really know your stuff:up: :)

Let's hope Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk(is that a lock for a 2008 release btw?) does well. I really liked the first Hulk movie, even though i've never read a comic book in my life. But I understand that the sequel will have to be different to have broader appeal. Hopefully they can create something special.

[Advanced Dark]

Hulk is 2008 or 2009 depending on when they get the damn director. From what I been hearing that could be very soon like this month or next.

[COME ON !]

Hulk is 2008 or 2009 depending on when they get the damn director. From what I been hearing that could be very soon like this month or next.

Hope so. It will be very interesting to hear who they get.

[Advanced Dark]

I was so happy when MVL got the rights back. Before then thinking about Hulk was like this:

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/2b12a8700c.jpg

[COME ON !]

Hahahaha, great picture !:)

[lordofthenerds]

I was so happy when MVL got the rights back. Before then thinking about Hulk was like this:

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/2b12a8700c.jpg
:eek: The toilet monster attacks! I used to have nightmares about that. :O

[Carp Man]

LOL. vvvvvv When toilets attact.

[FaT_tONle]

rofl.... damn what if that really happened....

[BMM]

There wasn't any other form of mass entertainment that could be tracked on a global or national scale. None. The internet is a global community, video games are released globally, etc...Sure you could go bowling, play mini-golf, etc...but back then most people went outside, played with their friends, had bbq's. There wasn't as many ways to spend your money...let alone stay at home and spend your money electronically. The world is shrinking into the size of your office. I can go online if I wanted and download X3 and watch it on my computer. As a MVL shareholder I wouldn't do that, actually I wouldn't do it anyways.

I know. Believe me, I get it what you are saying, and I'm not disagreeing with the notion that the market place has changed, as is noted in my previous post. I am simply saying that there are also contributing factors aiding in the market's growth since the era of the first Superman movie (which is what essentially spawned this conversation in the first place).

[Advanced Dark]

Yes but it's been split. In the 70's the movies lasted in theatres for a long long time and people paid to see movies like star wars 20 times or more because it wasn't being released on any format after it left the theatre in their mind and when VHS tapes were peaking they cost $60.00-$100.00 each and even then the quality of the home viewing sucked. Even laser discs back then required you to flip them to watch them. Surround sound...what's that? LOL As far as the video games there's only so much time you can spend playing frogger before your mind rots comapred to the games today which are like interactive movies. The average couple going to the movies costs them probably near 80 bucks. You figure 20 bucks for the tickets, 20 bucks for concessions, gas money, and of course the baby sitter. Then you have to sit in popcorn butter, listen to people chewing and talking, be irritated by laser pointers or people flipping open their cell phones, listen to babies cry, people talk, and asshats kicking your seat. The whole time wondering if your car is being broken into. LOL Home theatres today are awesome but wait a few more years when you have video servers under your flat screen monitor storing thousands of movies on a hard drive for you that you can download online from your wireless keyboard and mouse sitting on your couch in 2 seconds.

[Carp Man]

Got to watch out for AD. I remember when he was BS :eek: He'll come up and wack ya on the side of your head. lol.

[BMM]

Yes but it's been split. In the 70's the movies lasted in theatres for a long long time and people paid to see movies like star wars 20 times or more because it wasn't being released on any format after it left the theatre in their mind and when VHS tapes were peaking they cost $60.00-$100.00 each and even then the quality of the home viewing sucked. Even laser discs back then required you to flip them to watch them. Surround sound...what's that? LOL As far as the video games there's only so much time you can spend playing frogger before your mind rots comapred to the games today which are like interactive movies. The average couple going to the movies costs them probably near 80 bucks.You figure 20 bucks for the tickets, 20 bucks for concessions, gas money, and of course the baby sitter. Then you have to sit in popcorn butter, listen to people chewing and talking, be irritated by laser pointers or people flipping open their cell phones, listen to babies cry, people talk, and asshats kicking your seat. The whole time wondering if your car is being broken into. LOL Home theatres today are awesome but wait a few more years when you have video servers under your flat screen monitor storing thousands of movies on a hard drive for you that you can download online from your wireless keyboard and mouse sitting on your couch in 2 seconds.

I agree to an extent, although I would consider a fair number of the problems listed above just as relevant in the 1970s (1980s and 1990s) as they are now . . . there have always been annoyances in theaters, and concession prices have long since been overpriced (look to the 90s--yet summer movies still maintained consistent numbers) . . . also, gas prices spiked at an all time high in the late 1970s and into the 1980s . . . in so far as cable, home entertainment, pay-per-view . . . I don't consider them to be too much of an issue contributing to the recent decline at the box office because they were certainly present during the 1990s and summer blockbusters did just as well, if not better, domestically and without massive defining front loads common among current summer pictures.

I would contribute a fair amount of recent box office trends to internet piracy . . . not necessarily the internet in and of itself. Yes, sites such as the Hype and Myspace are popular but don't necessarily pose inescapability anymore than being on the phone did when talking with friends prior to the use of cell phones and internet communities--they're just another form of time consuming communication. Also, its not as though the internet was suddenly presented to us. It, and fast enough connections, have been around since before the recent box office pitfalls.

In so far as video games . . . yes, they are interactive relative to previous standards . . . but you're kidding yourself if you don't think people didn't consider Super Mario World, or Mario 64 just as interactive compared to what came before them. There were equal amounts of video game zombies back then just as there are now--this is not a new thing. It simply continues to carry over . . . and yes, even those games occupied similar amounts of time. There are literally people who can somehow manage to play those games for hours on end even moreso than current video games despite the recent video games' interactivity . . . that's why those initial games are such all time classics and continue to be. Seriously, I have yet to see any recent video games rival the obsessive, trend-setting craze of some of those released in the 1980s and 1990s . . . and yet movies didn't flounder then as much as they do now.

But yes, if anything, I would contribute faltering summer movies to increased piracy (it almost cost the film industry an estimated 1 billion dollars alone in 2005), inexpensive DVDs in conjunction with diminished time intervals between a movie's theatrical release and home release, higher theater prices in certain locations, an increasingly oversaturated market, overexposure (for instance, Click--I don't even want to see that movie now . . . I feel like I've already watched it 1000+ times via the advertisements alone) . . . the market is indeed changing . . . it will be an interesting period of adjustment . . .

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yes there have always been annoyances in theatres but there was no other way to see a movie with the same quality sound, picture, etc...No you can get that at home. Home theatres today are better than any theatre in 70's or 80's, but the theatre experience before DVD and home theatres was unmatched.

[Advanced Dark]

Double post...delete.

[BMM]

There were very nice home theaters in the 90s, especially in the late 90s when dvds were present and before the box office fell on the hard times it is facing now . . . so I wouldn't be so quick to say that they have been keeping people away from the theaters any more now than they did then--nice home systems or not, unless a person literally has his own theater in his home (which is hardly a large enough percentage of people to account for mass box office drops), nothing rivals the big screen theatrical experience (and even then, the majority of most home theaters aren't as big or powerful) . . . not to mention the draws of theaters akin to IMAX (although, I don't know how much of an actual draw these are to tell you the truth . . . but I'm guessing there must be some--perhaps Superman Returns will shed some light . . . I don't know).

[antariksh]

Got to watch out for AD. I remember when he was BS :eek: He'll come up and wack ya on the side of your head. lol.

is it just me or BOM messed up international figures of X3.

It did $1.4 million in taiwan but at BOM it says $600000+ thousand dollars.

[phantom47]

yeah i noticed that, we were told in different articles that Tawain did 1.4 mil and it has like 600000 on there.

[Carp Man]

Don't know. Looking at the % thou, it has faired better here then overseas. 54.5 % domestic, 45.5 % overseas. But the 1st 2 also faired better here then overseas. X-Men, 53.1 % domestic. X2, 52.7 % domestic. Whereas both SM movies faired better overseas, as did FF. BB faired much better here. Is that marketing ?

[Carp Man]

Ok. Tuesdays #'s are in, updated #'s below. $ 860,270. Looks like 400 million worldwide tomorrow.

[Angry Sentinel]

In so far as video games . . . yes, they are interactive relative to previous standards . . . but you're kidding yourself if you don't think people didn't consider Super Mario World, or Mario 64 just as interactive compared to what came before them. There were equal amounts of video game zombies back then just as there are now--this is not a new thing. It simply continues to carry over . . . and yes, even those games occupied similar amounts of time. There are literally people who can somehow manage to play those games for hours on end even moreso than current video games despite the recent video games' interactivity . . . that's why those initial games are such all time classics and continue to be. Seriously, I have yet to see any recent video games rival the obsessive, trend-setting craze of some of those released in the 1980s and 1990s . . . and yet movies didn't flounder then as much as they do now.

:up: I Sooooo agree, and I think the video game craze really kick-started due to it's 'newness' and then availability. But what I believe really contributed to the longevity of those 'classic' games was the lack of closure most of those games had. Remember when a video game just got harder and more difficult no matter how long or good you got at playing it. There was rarely ever an actual ending to a mission... just the next level :eek:. I think the newer games are more addictive and inclusive. But due to the fact that the industry wanted to make more money off of more titles, they created the 'solvable' video game formula, and that really changed the way video games were embraced. Now the old game is pretty much over for the 'casual' gamer once they reach this 'end'. And from there it is discarded rather quickly in favor of the new title. With this current trend I doubt we will see that kind of mania, at least until they come up with a more 'popular' way of attracting gamers.

[antariksh]

yeah i noticed that, we were told in different articles that Tawain did 1.4 mil and it has like 600000 on there.

Actaully I noticed that it is from 17-18 june (SATURDAY-SUNDAY) .

Isn't it supposed to be for 3-4days depending on countries weekend boxoffice.

meh someone should ask FOX are they lying about the boxoffice OR BOM has messed it all up. BOM has something against X3 i guess.

[Advanced Dark]

Ok. Tuesdays #'s are in, updated #'s below. $ 860,270. Looks like 400 million worldwide tomorrow.

You mean today. We're probably closer to 401-401.5 million with today's #'s domestic and international...though we'll only find out domestic tomorrow. No way it makes less than 700k today.

[Pickle-El]

You guess wrong.

[Advanced Dark]

??? ^^^

[Pickle-El]

I responded to this:

meh someone should ask FOX are they lying about the boxoffice OR BOM has messed it all up. BOM has something against X3 i guess.

That's just ridiculous.....

[Advanced Dark]

The Mojo Conspiracy LOL

[Milkman95]

I responded to this:



That's just ridiculous.....

That's because he's a clown to begin with.....:)

That type of ridiculous response is to be expected. Sounds like David33, another famous entertainer around these parts.

[danoyse]

I agree to an extent, although I would consider a fair number of the problems listed above just as relevant in the 1970s (1980s and 1990s) as they are now . . . there have always been annoyances in theaters, and concession prices have long since been overpriced (look to the 90s--yet summer movies still maintained consistent numbers) . . .

I would say the annoyances have gotten worse...in particular: cellphones. Phones were a non-issue as recently has 5-6 years ago, compared to now. I can't remember going to a movie recently where someone has had to text message 5 of their best friends during the movie. Or worse, answer the freakin' thing in the middle of the movie.

You also didn't have commericals before movies like you do now. That's one of my biggest pet peeves of going to the movies now. People have actually filed lawsuits against theater chains for misleading advertising regarding start times due to the amount of trailers and commercials.

. . . in so far as cable, home entertainment, pay-per-view . . . I don't consider them to be too much of an issue contributing to the recent decline at the box office because they were certainly present during the 1990s and summer blockbusters did just as well, if not better, domestically and without massive defining front loads common among current summer pictures.

It is a big difference now. It used to be nearly a year for videos to come out. Cable used to be 20-30 channels, now it's 300 channels. There's Netflix--which lets you put movies on your queue before they're even released in theaters. Now they're even talking about downloading them legally on iTunes.

There are so many more options now than there were even 10 years ago. I will argue to the death about why everyone should see movies in the theater...but even I'll stick a movie on my Netflix queue while it's still in theaters because I don't have time and I know it will be out on video soon enough.

I would contribute a fair amount of recent box office trends to internet piracy . . . not necessarily the internet in and of itself. Yes, sites such as the Hype and Myspace are popular but don't necessarily pose inescapability anymore than being on the phone did when talking with friends prior to the use of cell phones and internet communities--they're just another form of time consuming communication. Also, its not as though the internet was suddenly presented to us. It, and fast enough connections, have been around since before the recent box office pitfalls.

Ehhh...I'd still say the internet was a factor. I've been a geek since the original 'Star Wars' trilogy, but back then we knew nothing of 'rushed production schedules' or script leaks or studio heads we could blame when we didn't like the movie, the way we have now. Especially for sci-fi/comic movies, where the fans tend to be a lot more internet-savvy.

Click--I don't even want to see that movie now . . . I feel like I've already watched it 1000+ times via the advertisements alone) . . . the market is indeed changing . . . it will be an interesting period of adjustment . . .

LOL...if I see one more sneak preview for that, I'm going to throw myself out a window.

[Carp Man]

That's because he's a clown to begin with.....:)

That type of ridiculous response is to be expected. Sounds like David33, another famous entertainer around these parts.

Hey. I'm the only one around here who can entertain. :D And let's stick to the #'s. vvvvvvvvvv

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.lionsclubs.org.au/images/search-mime.gif

I can do the same. :)

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't think this film is going to surpass X2's total gross by a large margin as some may be thinking.

[Kmack]

^I agree.

[danoyse]

I'm possibly seeing it again tomorrow night. I'm sure my $10.75 will make all the difference. :p

[antariksh]

I don't think this film is going to surpass X2's total gross by a large margin as some may be thinking.

And do u actually want that to happen??

btw X3 has already done $398 worldwide. So i am very sure the movie will surpass X2 worldwide without any doubt. source: BOM

X3 has already surpassed X2. Will end up somewhere between $225-230 domestically and $200-215 overseas.

please check before saying something.

[josh8]

please check before saying something.

learn to read before you act like a jerk.