X3 Box Office Tracker

[RedIsNotBlue]

Oh please. Like every single studio that makes a disappointing movie publicly admits their disappointment. Maybe Fox will admit their disappointment or maybe not. Just because they have not admitted it yet does not mean it won't happen.

I dunno. Why would they have at least 3 X-Men films in production right now if X3 was such a disappointment??

[CaptainStacy]

Oh please. Like every single studio that makes a disappointing movie publicly admits their disappointment. Maybe Fox will admit their disappointment or maybe not. Just because they have not admitted it yet does not mean it won't happen.

So basically; You got nothin'.

Yeah. That's what i thought.

[Theweepeople]

Ebert never directed porno movies. He wrote the screen play for Beyond the Valley of the Dolls which was directed by Russ Meyer. It wasn't a porno movie either though there was probably plenty of nudity.

The Crying Game was an Oscar nominated film most critics liked it so I don't see how that counts against him. Toys don't know what that is. As for liking Daredevil there are probably plenty of marginal films out there Ebert gave a thumbs up to like the new Garfield movie that others did not like. Its not liked he raved about the film.

The reason I was criticizing Ebert is because people in this thread mentioned him for the sole purpose of trying to prove that because one well known critic named Roger Ebert liked X-Men 3 then it must be a good movie. Ebert is merely one opinion among the opinions of a thousand critics.

I find it strange that The Crying game got great reviews. I saw it with 10 people and we all hated it. I have only met one person who liked that movie.

[Theweepeople]

So basically; You got nothin'.

Yeah. That's what i thought.


I've got statistics which speak for themselves. Which I posted in the thread that I created. So in reality I a plenty of evidence that X-Men 3 is a domestic box office disappointment. Feel free to look at my evidence in the other thread. That is if you haven't already.:)

[Theweepeople]

I dunno. Why would they have at least 3 X-Men films in production right now if X3 was such a disappointment??

They X-Men films in production? What are you talking about? I have heard about there being "spinoffs" which are not X-Men movies. The last time Fox made comic book spinoff movie it flopped(Electra).

[CaptainStacy]

I've got statistics which speak for themselves. Which I posted in the thread that I created. So in reality I a plenty of evidence that X-Men 3 is a domestic box office disappointment. Feel free to look at my evidence in the other thread. That is if you haven't already.:)

You mean that Reality Check thread?

yeah, i STARTED to read it, but i thought it was crap.

[Theweepeople]

You mean that Reality Check thread?

yeah, i STARTED to read it, but i thought it was crap.

This response speaks volumes about your character. Your welcome to continue being ignorant but, unless your read about the statistics I posted you have no frame of reference.

[RedIsNotBlue]

They X-Men films in production? What are you talking about? I have heard about there being "spinoffs" which are not X-Men movies. The last time Fox made comic book spinoff movie it flopped(Electra).

So your telling me Fox is making movies that THEY KNOW will flop?? What are your ****ing retarded? And yes they count as X-Men movies.

[WorthyStevens]

I've got statistics which speak for themselves. Which I posted in the thread that I created. So in reality I a plenty of evidence that X-Men 3 is a domestic box office disappointment. Feel free to look at my evidence in the other thread. That is if you haven't already.:)

For X3 to have scored $100 million in it's first 3 days, score the 2nd highest opening day of all time, demolish Memorial Day weekend records, reach $200 million in just 3 weeks, become the highest grossing installment in it's franchise (unadjusted, and soon adjusted).

X3 is in no way a disappointment.

[Doctor Octopus]

X-Men 3 was a great success.

[Theweepeople]

So your telling me Fox is making movies that THEY KNOW will flop?? What are your ****ing retarded? And yes they count as X-Men movies.


Um no(No movie company does that). No(You have anger management problems.) , and no(Movies about the lives Logan, Eric, and Emma Frost don't count as X-Men movies) .

[WorthyStevens]

Um no(No movie company does that). No(You have anger management problems.) , and no(Movies about the lives Logan, Eric, and Emma Frost don't count as X-Men movies) .

Wolverine, Magneto, and Emma Frost are a part of the X-Men, are they not?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Um no(No movie company does that). No(You have anger management problems.) , and no(Movies about the lives Logan, Eric, and Emma Frost don't count as X-Men movies) .

1. That is basically what you said.

2. Sorry I get mad when the stupidity meter hits a high.

3. It is more then just those three characters. There will be villains and supporting characters. And there is also a Young X-Men movie supposedly in production.

[CaptainStacy]

This response speaks volumes about your character. Your welcome to continue being ignorant but, unless your read about the statistics I posted you have no frame of reference.

What's wrong with my response? I checked out the thread, thought it was crap, and moved on.

Sorry if that bruises your ego, or whatever, but that was just my opinion.

[Theweepeople]

For X3 to have scored $100 million in it's first 3 days, score the 2nd highest opening day of all time, demolish Memorial Day weekend records, reach $200 million in just 3 weeks, become the highest grossing installment in it's franchise (unadjusted, and soon adjusted).

X3 is in no way a disappointment.


I have heard this many times and it is all relative. X3 demolished the Memorial day weekend record and then it nearly broke the record of having the greatest 2nd weekend financial drop in movie history. You may have your definition of a disappointment while I have mine but, what really matters are the #s Fox wanted this movie to make. I doubt Fox is satisfied with a movie they spent 210 million that will end up making 230-235 million domestically.

[WorthyStevens]

I have heard this many times and it is all relative. X3 demolished the Memorial day weekend record and then it nearly broke the record of having the greatest 2nd weekend financial drop in movie history. You may have your definition of a disappointment while I have mine but, what really matters are the #s Fox wanted this movie to make. I doubt Fox is satisfied with a movie they spent 210 million that will end up making 230-235 million domestically.

Fox isn't just looking at domestic numbers. International numbers are also focused on. Plus there's also DVD rentals/sales, TV/PPV buyrates, and so on.

[Amm-arD]

I doubt Fox is satisfied with a movie they spent 210 million that will end up making 230-235 million domestically.

Point, but, if u check out the worldwide gross, and then DVD sales (they will be huge, fact.) Fox will not be dissapointed atall. And i heard that it didnt cost 210 either, but less

[RedIsNotBlue]

Fox isn't just looking at domestic numbers. International numbers are also focused on. Plus there's also DVD rentals/sales, TV/PPV buyrates, and so on.

Some people seem to ignore international numbers for some reason like they don't count. :confused:

[Theweepeople]

What's wrong with my response? I checked out the thread, thought it was crap, and moved on.

Sorry if that bruises your ego, or whatever, but that was just my opinion.

No bruises here. I just find it funny that you think my statistics are worthless. Statistics are one of the many and biggest factors that dictate whether a film will be made(This is not an opinion.).

[Celestial]

I've got statistics which speak for themselves.
Your problem is that they're not saying much. It was a nice simple model but a quick scan is enough to convince most people that it's seriously flawed. So my advice is to stop the boasting because it makes you look silly.

[Theweepeople]

Some people seem to ignore international numbers for some reason like they don't count. :confused:


FOR THE LAST TIME I NEVER SAID X-MEN 3 HAD DISAPPOINTING INTERNATIONAL #S. I AM SAYING X-MEN 3 IS A DISAPPOINTMENT DOMESTICALLY. MANY PROFITABLE MOVIE FRANCHISES WERE ENDED DUE TO A WEAK DOMESTIC GROSS DESPITE STRONG INTERNATIONAL #S. BATMAN AND ROBIN MADE A LOT OF MONEY OVERSEAS BUT, THE FRANCHISE DIED FOR 8 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE DOMESTIC GROSS.

[Amm-arD]

haha this is getting heated! But in all honesty..x3 was a hit, fact

[RedIsNotBlue]

Your comparing B&R to X3?? Go buy a horse and go live in the mountains and don't bother anybody.

[Theweepeople]

Your problem is that they're not saying much. It was a nice simple model but a quick scan is enough to convince most people that it's seriously flawed. So my advice is to stop the boasting because it makes you look silly.


I'm not boasting. Nor am I convinced that my opinion is 100% right and everyone who disagrees with me is 100% wrong. My intention to start that thread was not to make me look inteligent and everyone else stupid. I just wanted to know what everyone thought of those statistics. Instead I got praise from people who hated X-Men 3 and wanted it to fail. I also, got ridicule from people who loved X-Men 3 and think everyone who criticizes the film is an idiot. All I wanted to read were differences in opinions. I didn't expect to experience all this hate.

[Theweepeople]

haha this is getting heated! But in all honesty..x3 was a hit, fact


That is an opinion that I respect. Why can't everyone be as respectful as you?:)

[Theweepeople]

Your comparing B&R to X3?? Go buy a horse and go live in the mountains and don't bother anybody.



Here is another unnecessary negative response. You completely missunderstood my point. First of all I never said B&R was as good as X3. X3 is light years ahead of B&R in terms of plot and quality. The reason I mentioned B&R was because it was film that kicked butt overseas, struggled domestically, and killed the Batman franchise. X3 has kicked butt overseas and has struggled domestically considering its budget. I will talk to you all later because I've got chores to do.

[Weadazoid]

Here is another unnecessary negative response. You completely missunderstood my point. First of all I never said B&R was as good as X3. X3 is light years ahead of B&R in terms of plot and quality. The reason I mentioned B&R was because it was film that kicked butt overseas, struggled domestically, and killed the Batman franchise. X3 has kicked butt overseas and has struggled domestically considering its budget. I will talk to you all later because I've got chores to do.




By that turn then Superman must pas well over 275 Million in your books to be a success.....domesticly?


X3 cost 210 Million http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=x3.htm to make and is now at 224.... but still not a success quite..in your books

Superman cost 260 Million http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=showtimes&id=superman06.htm


So when it reaches 274 in the states....still not a great success to you eh.... Considering budgets and all





and while on the topic then by all means FF is and was as successful as BB last year since both made 50 Million more then the budget.... perhaps in the end by your logic both BB and FF will be more successful then X3 or Superman?

[Theweepeople]

By that turn then Superman must pas well over 275 Million in your books to be a success.....domesticly?


X3 cost 210 Million http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=x3.htm to make and is now at 224.... but still not a success quite..in your books

Superman cost 260 Million http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=showtimes&id=superman06.htm


So when it reaches 274 in the states....still not a great success to you eh.... Considering budgets and all





and while on the topic then by all means FF is and was as successful as BB last year since both made 50 Million more then the budget.... perhaps in the end by your logic both BB and FF will be more successful then X3 or Superman?

I agree with everything in this post and yes FF was more successful than BB domestically. FF had 55% profit of its budget while BB had a 37% profit. You are also, right both BB and FF could be more successful domestically than Superman and X3. Overall the success of these films is relative. Success depends on how much money spent, how much money, was made, and how much time and effort was put into developing these films.

[antariksh]

The start of the World Cup elimination rounds, hot weather across much of Europe and a lack of new wide releases contributed to a lackluster weekend at the international box office.

Warner Bros Pictures International (WBPI)'s Poseidon led the pack with an estimated $9.9m gross from approximately 4,000 prints in 49 countries, raising the commendable international tally to $84.7m.

The result was powered by two impressive number one debuts as the adventure saga took $2.6m from 371 prints in Russia, and $997,100 from 291 in Brazil.

In two smaller debuts, Poseidon opened number one in Turkey on $255,500 from 134, and was expected to finish number one in Belgium on $399,700 from 63. After two weekends Poseidon stands at $2.8m in France and held on to top place in Argentina on $673,100.

Warner Bros/Village Roadshow's romance The Lake House opened in the UK through WBPI on 343 prints and ranked second on $1.5m. The first major international debut follows last weekend's North American launch.

Sony Pictures Releasing International's The Da Vinci Code took $9m gross on 5,850 screens in 84 markets to raise its international running total to $496m. Combined with the $205.5m domestic tally the picture has amassed $701.5m worldwide.

Ron Howard's adventure has seen the biggest returns in Japan, where it remained number after six weekends and added $2.4m on 764 screens for $68m. After the same amount of time it ranks number one in Germany on a $44.2m tally, fourth in the UK on $53m, and third in Spain on $31m.

The Adam Sandler comedy Click opened day-and-date with North America in Australia and New Zealand, taking $3.4m on a total 333 screens from both markets.

Click opened top in Australia on $3m, a very strong result that produced the biggest local currency opening yet for a Sandler comedy on Au$4.03m, some 22% bigger than The Waterboy's Au$3.3m in 1998. New Zealand also generated a number one debut on $365,000, setting another local currency record for Sandler as NZD581,000 beat by 6% NZD546,000 set by Mr Deeds in 2002.

Fox International reported a $4m weekend gross for The Omen on 1,836 screens in 45 territories that raised the international cumulative total to $55m.

Another horror remake, Alex Aja's The Hills Have Eyes, opened in the director's home country of France and took a disappointing $290,000 on 244 screens. Overall the picture stands at $16.3m from all its markets to date.

X-Men: The Last Stand is living up to its title following a strong campaign, adding $6m on 2,897 screens in 24 territories, elevating the tally to $192m. Garfield: A Tale Of Two Kitties grossed $1m on 444 screens in four territories and stands at $3m from the early stages.

Paramount's Mission: Impossible 3 took $1m from 1,200 sites through UIP; the action sequel has reached $205.5m with China and Japan still to come.

Over The Hedge added $5.4m from 1,358 venues in 19 territories to raise the tally to $25.1m including South Korea, where it has taken more than $5.6m and is not handled by UIP.

The animated release opened in second place in Australia on $3m from 243 sites and must have taken a fraction less than SPRI's Click, given that the one-two pecking order in favour of Click was not contested by UIP last night. Over The Hedge opened number two in New Zealand on $262,000 from 65.

Buena Vista International had not reported weekend figures at time of writing.


SOURCE:Screendaily

SAD part is the movie collapsed in both South korea and Taiwan. I ws hoping it would $16+ million in South Korea and $3+ million in Taiwan. But it WON'T!!!

BAD BAD BAD BAD boxoffice performance.

Screw X-men 3 hell F4 had a much better boxoffice run both domestically and overseas. :o

[Advanced Dark]

^ So another 10 million for the full week. Antarkish you're a freak sometimes. Fantastic Four barely made 170 million overseas. X3 is gonna make 240 million overseas. Get a grip. Fantastic Four only made just over 150 milion domestic while X3 is gonna make 80 million more. Take some ritalin and figure out wtf you're talking about. Jeez.

[antariksh]

^ So another 10 million for the full week. Antarkish you're a freak sometimes. Fantastic Four barely made 170 million overseas. X3 is gonna make 240 million overseas. Get a grip. Fantastic Four only made just over 150 milion domestic while X3 is gonna make 80 million more. Take some ritalin and figure out wtf you're talking about. Jeez.

I am talking about boxoffice performance NOT total boxoffice.

X3 dropped 55%+ this weekend overseas.

F4 never had that kind of drops, It kept doing decent business.

By now X3 should have done $200 million PERIOD.

No way will this movie do $240 million overseas GUARANTEED.

[Advanced Dark]

You just don't getit do you. After all the posts about frontloading movies to capture the box office in the first week or two. The studio's don't give 2 craps about 3rd and 4th week drop offs after huge weekends. They made their money and the split gets worse for the studio as time goes on. Making 122 in 4 days is better than making 150 million in 2 weeks. X3 is at 192 overseas now. I thought it was already there. You can add another 40 million to that figure.

[Carp Man]

I have added that $ 192 million figure to my sig. Updated #'s below. It's passed X2's domestic, overseas, and worldwide #'s. :)

[phantom47]

we will def. see a boost after the world cup is over in all international movies

[Advanced Dark]

And another 22-25 just from Japan in September.

[Iceman]

And another 22-25 just from Japan in September.Did we ever find out the reason for the late release in Japan?

[danoyse]

No bruises here. I just find it funny that you think my statistics are worthless. Statistics are one of the many and biggest factors that dictate whether a film will be made(This is not an opinion.).

It's just that you don't have a thing to back up your statistics.

[BMM]

Your problem is that they're not saying much. It was a nice simple model but a quick scan is enough to convince most people that it's seriously flawed. So my advice is to stop the boasting because it makes you look silly.

Haha. Wow. Nothing like a Hype Boards onslaught . . . actually, to be fair, Theweepeople’s nice simple model isn't seriously flawed. It's no more flawed than the average posts found in a box office tracker thread--or the reasoning behind starting a box office tracker thread in which such posts are inevitably going to be made from time to time.

Regardless, the point of his model is to compare The Last Stand's profit percentages with other comparable blockbusters--and his basic logic holds despite what some would like to think.

The point of his model is to demonstrate that given the The Last Stand's budget, when compared to comparable budgets of similar blockbusters, the profit percentage is perhaps less than impressive.

. . . and for those complaining about Theweepeople’s failure to include international figures in such percentages, you may want to do yourselves a favor and not mention them, as they do little to help your argument either. Honestly, feel free to include them in a budget v. profit percentage comparison (or just feel free to compare the international numbers in general), but if you do, be prepared to also note that a comparison of such figures only further detracts from The Last Stand’s footing.

These are a few of the examples of the international numbers via the initial comparisons with The Last Stand.


Batman - 160,000,000
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone - 658,900,000
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - 614,700,000
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 540,263,200
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - 602,200,000
Ice Age - 206,871,808
Ice Age: The Meltdown - 443,082,287
The Lord of The Rings: Fellowship of the Ring - 556,592,194
The Lord of The Rings: The Two Towers - 584,000,000
The Lord of The Rings: The Return of the King -
741, 861,654
The Matrix - 288,900,000
The Matrix Revolutions - 285,674,263
Pirates of The Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - 348,500,000
Shrek - 216,744,207
Shrek 2 - 479,439,411
Spider-Man - 418,002,176
Spider-Man 2 - 410,180,516
Star Wars: Episode III-Revenge of the Sith - 493,229,257


Also, I wouldn’t bother complaining about not including DVD/Rental sales, television rights, and least of all merchandising into the equation either. If you would like to compare The Last Stand’s merchandising, etc. with the likes of Harry Potter, Ice Age, The Lord of The Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean, Shrek, Spider-Man, Star Wars, etc., be my guest, but somehow, I don’t think it’s going to help the comparison.

Is The Last Stand a box office failure? No. But when spending over 200 million dollars on a single film, perhaps a movie studio is expecting to recoup not only comparable domestic sums, as such films typically accrue . . . perhaps they are also expecting to recoup similar international figures as well . . . and with the exception of 1989’s Batman, Ice Age, and Shrek, The Last Stand is severely lacking--and for those wanting to blame it on people watching The World Cup instead . . . feel free to look at the 2002 international figures for comparable movies such as Men in Black II, Minority Report, Spider-Man, Star Wars: Episode II-Attack of the Clones, etc. (all of which essentially performed at least as well as The Last Stand, if not much much better and cost at least 70 million dollars less to make as well).

[Theweepeople]

It's just that you don't have a thing to back up your statistics.

I already gave you my answer to this question many threads back. Please ask me something different for a change.

[danoyse]

I already gave you my answer to this question many threads back. Please ask me something different for a change.

Your sources?

Try reading back a few pages on the thread...there's been much more credible discussion about the good and the bad about X3's box office.

[Theweepeople]

Haha. Wow. Nothing like a Hype Boards onslaught . . . actually, to be fair, Theweepeople’s nice simple model isn't seriously flawed. It's no more flawed than the average posts found in a box office tracker thread--or the reasoning behind starting a box office tracker thread in which such posts are inevitably going to be made from time to time.

Regardless, the point of his model is to compare The Last Stand's profit percentages with other comparable blockbusters--and his basic logic holds despite what some would like to think.

The point of his model is to demonstrate that given the The Last Stand's budget, when compared to comparable budgets of similar blockbusters, the profit percentage is perhaps less than impressive.

. . . and for those of you complaining about Theweepeople’s failure to include international figures in such percentages, you may want to do yourselves a favor and not mention them, as they do little to help your argument either. Honestly, feel free to include them in a budget v. profit percentage comparison (or just feel free to compare the international numbers in general), but if you do, be prepared to note that a comparison of such figures only further detract from The Last Stand’s footing.

These are a few of the examples of the international numbers via the initial comparisons with The Last Stand.


Batman - 160,000,000
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone - 658,900,000
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - 614,700,000
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 540,263,200
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - 602,200,000
Ice Age - 206,871,808
Ice Age: The Meltdown - 443,082,287
The Lord of The Rings: Fellowship of the Ring - 556,592,194
The Lord of The Rings: The Two Towers - 584,000,000
The Lord of The Rings: The Return of the King -
741, 861,654
The Matrix - 288,900,000
The Matrix Revolutions - 285,674,263
Pirates of The Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - 348,500,000
Shrek - 216,744,207
Shrek 2 - 479,439,411
Spider-Man - 418,002,176
Spider-Man 2 - 410,180,516
Star Wars: Episode III-Revenge of the Sith - 493,229,257


Also, I wouldn’t bother complaining about not including DVD/Rental sales, television rights, and least of all merchandising into the equation either. If you would like to compare The Last Stand’s merchandising, etc. with the likes of Harry Potter, Ice Age, The Lord of The Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean, Shrek, Spider-Man, Star Wars, etc., be my guest, but somehow, I don’t think it’s going to help the comparison.

Is The Last Stand a box office failure? No. But when spending over 200 million dollars on a single film, perhaps a movie studio is expecting to recoup not only comparable domestic sums, as such films typically accrue . . . perhaps they are also expecting to recoup similar international figures as well . . . and with the exception of 1989’s Batman, Ice Age, and Shrek, The Last Stand is severely lacking--and for those of you wanting to blame it on people watching The World Cup instead . . . feel free to look at the 2002 international figures for comparable movies such as Men in Black II, Minority Report, Spider-Man, Star Wars: Episode II-Attack of the Clones, etc. (all of which cost at least 70 million less to make as well).

Nice research BMM.

[Theweepeople]

Your sources?

Try reading back a few pages on the thread...there's been much more credible discussion about the good and the bad about X3's box office.

My sources are in the other thread I started. Unless of course you want me to repost everything already discussed in that thread.

[danoyse]

My sources are in the other thread I started. Unless of course you want me to repost everything already discussed in that thread.

There's no source listed in the opening post of that thread you started.

Although, there is this quote from you:

Math may be one of my weakest subjects

:)

[Theweepeople]

There's no source listed in the opening post of that thread you started.

Although, there is this quote from you:



:)


I do have sources. You missed my posts about getting my information from Lee's box office report and box office mojo and I am not good at math. So what is your point?

[josh8]

I'm not boasting. Nor am I convinced that my opinion is 100% right and everyone who disagrees with me is 100% wrong. My intention to start that thread was not to make me look inteligent and everyone else stupid. I just wanted to know what everyone thought of those statistics. Instead I got praise from people who hated X-Men 3 and wanted it to fail. I also, got ridicule from people who loved X-Men 3 and think everyone who criticizes the film is an idiot. All I wanted to read were differences in opinions. I didn't expect to experience all this hate.

i'm not here to bring the hate on anyone, but i think your logic in that other thread left a lot of people annoyed.

you were suggesting to people that they needed a "reality check" and needed to look at the numbers more clearly, but you were the one that took two lone numbers (domestic total and production budget) and then drawing a whole bunch of conclusions.

fact of the matter, you accused people of not being good thinkers and then demonstrated that you were not one either (at least in that post).

i'm starting to see what you meant in that people will misinterpret domestic numbers (like B&R) and then assume it did badly overall without accounting for the international stuff. however, if you're going to say the public has the resources and interest to look up these numbers, then you cant underestimate their understanding of the other factors involved in a movie's financial success.

[josh8]

Haha. Wow. Nothing like a Hype Boards onslaught . . . actually, to be fair, Theweepeople’s nice simple model isn't seriously flawed. It's no more flawed than the average posts found in a box office tracker thread--or the reasoning behind starting a box office tracker thread in which such posts are inevitably going to be made from time to time.

Regardless, the point of his model is to compare The Last Stand's profit percentages with other comparable blockbusters--and his basic logic holds despite what some would like to think.

The point of his model is to demonstrate that given the The Last Stand's budget, when compared to comparable budgets of similar blockbusters, the profit percentage is perhaps less than impressive.

. . . and for those complaining about Theweepeople’s failure to include international figures in such percentages, you may want to do yourselves a favor and not mention them, as they do little to help your argument either. Honestly, feel free to include them in a budget v. profit percentage comparison (or just feel free to compare the international numbers in general), but if you do, be prepared to also note that a comparison of such figures only further detracts from The Last Stand’s footing.

These are a few of the examples of the international numbers via the initial comparisons with The Last Stand.


Batman - 160,000,000
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone - 658,900,000
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - 614,700,000
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 540,263,200
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - 602,200,000
Ice Age - 206,871,808
Ice Age: The Meltdown - 443,082,287
The Lord of The Rings: Fellowship of the Ring - 556,592,194
The Lord of The Rings: The Two Towers - 584,000,000
The Lord of The Rings: The Return of the King -
741, 861,654
The Matrix - 288,900,000
The Matrix Revolutions - 285,674,263
Pirates of The Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - 348,500,000
Shrek - 216,744,207
Shrek 2 - 479,439,411
Spider-Man - 418,002,176
Spider-Man 2 - 410,180,516
Star Wars: Episode III-Revenge of the Sith - 493,229,257


Also, I wouldn’t bother complaining about not including DVD/Rental sales, television rights, and least of all merchandising into the equation either. If you would like to compare The Last Stand’s merchandising, etc. with the likes of Harry Potter, Ice Age, The Lord of The Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean, Shrek, Spider-Man, Star Wars, etc., be my guest, but somehow, I don’t think it’s going to help the comparison.

Is The Last Stand a box office failure? No. But when spending over 200 million dollars on a single film, perhaps a movie studio is expecting to recoup not only comparable domestic sums, as such films typically accrue . . . perhaps they are also expecting to recoup similar international figures as well . . . and with the exception of 1989’s Batman, Ice Age, and Shrek, The Last Stand is severely lacking--and for those wanting to blame it on people watching The World Cup instead . . . feel free to look at the 2002 international figures for comparable movies such as Men in Black II, Minority Report, Spider-Man, Star Wars: Episode II-Attack of the Clones, etc. (all of which essentially performed at least as well as The Last Stand, if not much much better and cost at least 70 million dollars less to make as well).

you're falling into the "look how much better these movies did than that movie" set of arguments, and that is just not a good way of thinking.

yes, if a studio puts in so much money, they expect a lot back, but given the x-men movies and their box office history, no one was expecting harry potter numbers. if the 210 mil production budget holds up (which i doubt will), that would mean that x3 cost about 120mil more than x2 (after an increase in the marketing budget). and it will make about 50mil more from box office revenue. so yes, if that budget is correct, then it wont be as profitable as x2. but that's a big IF. i really think that number is bogus because 200mil movies are pretty rare and i just dont see x3 costing that much.

so haha i dont know where i'm going with this. i just wanted to comment on your comparisons.

[Theweepeople]

i'm not here to bring the hate on anyone, but i think your logic in that other thread left a lot of people annoyed.

you were suggesting to people that they needed a "reality check" and needed to look at the numbers more clearly, but you were the one that took two lone numbers (domestic total and production budget) and then drawing a whole bunch of conclusions.

fact of the matter, you accused people of not being good thinkers and then demonstrated that you were not one either (at least in that post).

i'm starting to see what you meant in that people will misinterpret domestic numbers (like B&R) and then assume it did badly overall without accounting for the international stuff. however, if you're going to say the public has the resources and interest to look up these numbers, then you cant underestimate their understanding of the other factors involved in a movie's financial success.

Okay I will admit that the title of my thread sounds arrogant. But, the only reason I chose that title was to get peoples attention. I did not mean to make anyone angry. I agree there are other factors beside domestic gross that may(sometimes not) determine whether a movie is success or not.

[Theweepeople]

you're falling into the "look how much better these movies did than that movie" set of arguments, and that is just not a good way of thinking.

yes, if a studio puts in so much money, they expect a lot back, but given the x-men movies and their box office history, no one was expecting harry potter numbers. if the 210 mil production budget holds up (which i doubt will), that would mean that x3 cost about 120mil more than x2 (after an increase in the marketing budget). and it will make about 50mil more from box office revenue. so yes, if that budget is correct, then it wont be as profitable as x2. but that's a big IF. i really think that number is bogus because 200mil movies are pretty rare and i just dont see x3 costing that much.

so haha i dont know where i'm going with this. i just wanted to comment on your comparisons.

Are you saying the actors and actresses of X-Men 3 who said the budget of X-Men 3 was over 200 million and box office mojo are both wrong?

[TerryRL]

X3 is not only going to become the first film of the franchise to pass the $200 million mark in overseas box office earnings, it will also become only the third film from the comic book/superhero genre to top that amount of coin internationally. It will join the two Spider-Man movies on that very short list.

The film's $416.7 million worldwide haul now makes it the most successful flick of the X-Men franchise, passing the $407.6 million of X2.

[muscaremy]

hasnt it yet to come out in the asian markets too..or am i mistaken

[ProductionMusic]

And another 22-25 just from Japan in September.

There will be DVD Copies of the Movie on the Street & Online for Download by then. With Region 1 Release in October. I highly doubt Japan will help the International Box Office that much. There will be DVD Wuality Copies on the Street everywhere & Online for Download by then. I highly doubt FOX is expecthing anything from Japans Box Office

[Avalanche]

They X-Men films in production? What are you talking about? I have heard about there being "spinoffs" which are not X-Men movies. The last time Fox made comic book spinoff movie it flopped(Electra).
I think the fact that Elektra was a very, very bad film might have something to do with that.

[Celestial]

There will be DVD Copies of the Movie on the Street & Online for Download by then. With Region 1 Release in October. I highly doubt Japan will help the International Box Office that much. There will be DVD Wuality Copies on the Street everywhere & Online for Download by then. I highly doubt FOX is expecthing anything from Japans Box Office
I don't think that piracy is going to hit the Japanese box office as much as you think. There was a similar situation in 2004 when Van Helsing opened in Japan in September and still took $30m. A bigger cause for concern is that X2 only took around $15m.

[superion]

FOR THE LAST TIME I NEVER SAID X-MEN 3 HAD DISAPPOINTING INTERNATIONAL #S. I AM SAYING X-MEN 3 IS A DISAPPOINTMENT DOMESTICALLY. MANY PROFITABLE MOVIE FRANCHISES WERE ENDED DUE TO A WEAK DOMESTIC GROSS DESPITE STRONG INTERNATIONAL #S. BATMAN AND ROBIN MADE A LOT OF MONEY OVERSEAS BUT, THE FRANCHISE DIED FOR 8 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE DOMESTIC GROSS.

This is where I disagree. You can't igonre overseas business and just concentrate on domestic. Total BO is what matters. The first Resident Evil only made $40 million domestic on a $33 million budget but it added over $62 million overseas making it a profitable film and it got a sequel.

While Batman and Robin did slightly better overseas then domestic $131 million to $107 million it wasn't a great enough difference to make the film profitable with its $125 million budget prior to advertising.

The reason that Harry Potter is the number movie character despite what Entertainment Weekly says are those huge internationl numbers the Potter films put up. Every film doubles its domestic gross internationally. Worldwide the last Harry Potter movie was the biggest film of the year not the last Star Wars film.

Whether or not X3 will be profitable on its theatrical run alone depends on that $210 production figure. If it already includes the advertising amount of $50 to $60 million it will be fine. If it doesn't and the actual cost with marketing is something like $260 to $270 million X3 would need more then $500 million worldwide to be profitable and we can all see that is out of reach by now.

[ProductionMusic]

I don't think that piracy is going to hit the Japanese box office as much as you think. There was a similar situation in 2004 when Van Helsing opened in Japan in September and still took $30m. A bigger cause for concern is that X2 only took around $15m.

We are in different times then Van Helsing & X2

[Advanced Dark]

X3 was not dissapointing domestically in any fashion whatsoever. Every financial analyst out there who lives and breathes studying these companies expected X3 to hit 250-350 worldwide. That's it. Not a single boxoffice site expected anywhere's near a 122 million 4 day opening, and you won't find anyone (before X3 was released) that would say that it making more than X2 was for certain and that it would be a dissapointment if it didn't. It exceed everyone's expecations. I think people were surprised at the huge opening weekend and the drop off was not unusual considering that huge opening weekend and the fact that the drop off % was in comparison to a holiday weekend.

[superion]

X3 was not dissapointing domestically in any fashion whatsoever. Every financial analyst out there who lives and breathes studying these companies expected X3 to hit 250-350 worldwide. That's it. Not a single boxoffice site expected anywhere's near a 122 million 4 day opening, and you won't find anyone (before X3 was released) that would say that it making more than X2 was for certain and that it would be a dissapointment if it didn't. It exceed everyone's expecations. I think people were surprised at the huge opening weekend and the drop off was not unusual considering that huge opening weekend and the fact that the drop off % was in comparison to a holiday weekend.

You are correct it was foolish to expect a jump from X2's $214 million to $300 million though $250 was not that unrealistic. That just makes me wonder why Fox would invest $210 million in the movie. When Spiderman 2 budget jumped to $200 million I could understand given the runway success of the first one but nothing X2 did warranted such a huge increase in the budget.

[BMM]

X3 was not dissapointing domestically in any fashion whatsoever. Every financial analyst out there who lives and breathes studying these companies expected X3 to hit 250-350 worldwide. That's it. Not a single boxoffice site expected anywhere's near a 122 million 4 day opening, and you won't find anyone (before X3 was released) that would say that it making more than X2 was for certain and that it would be a dissapointment if it didn't. It exceed everyone's expecations. I think people were surprised at the huge opening weekend and the drop off was not unusual considering that huge opening weekend and the fact that the drop off % was in comparison to a holiday weekend.

A 250-350 million dollar worldwide estimate isn't inspiring . . . particularly for a movie like The Last Stand . . . and simply meeting these kinds of low expectations doesn't equal greatness. A 250 million dollar domestic estimate should have been a perfectly attainable sum, especially given The Last Stand's weak competition. The large opening weekend was nice but does little to speak for why the remainder of the film's earning potential isn't increasing upon previous successes quite as well as some would have hoped. Sure, I wasn't expecting the kind of growth demonstrated via X-Men and X2--I knew that would be asking too much from this production . . . but for a movie heralded as the great final epic of an already ever-increasingly successful franchise, I would have expected more from The Last Stand despite any financial analyst's less than stellar expectations.

[SnowAngel]

I personally loved the movie and i'm very happy its doing so well. But has anyone taken in to consideration of the other comic book movies that are suppose to come out this summer, what about Superman Returns?, Superman is such an national icon of course many are going to see it. And let's not forget Spider-Man, it had an amazing opening for the first two films.

[Carp Man]

I personally loved the movie and i'm very happy its doing so well. But has anyone taken in to consideration of the other comic book movies that are suppose to come out this summer, what about Superman Returns?, Superman is such an national icon of course many are going to see it. And let's not forget Spider-Man, it had an amazing opening for the first two films.

Well let me put it this way. SR will do well until POTC opens. Then we'll see what kind of legs it has. Word of mouth will be huge in determing it's suscess. If word of mouth is good, it will do very well, if it's not, it will be in serious trouble. SM 3 ? Nothing to say there, the 1st 2 movies speek volums. Ghost rider will do well. Marvel will be suscusfull thru 2007, because DC has zip till the sequel to BB, in 08. Marvel has Ghost Rider, SM 3, and FF 2, in 07.

[phantom47]

9 X-Men: The Last Stand $4,841,950 -38.1% $224,506,162

[Carp Man]

Ok. Weekend domestic actual #'s are in. $ 4,841,950. Bout 442 thousand more then estimate. 38.1% drop, from last weekend. Updated #'s below.

[Carp Man]

Have you ever read the back of your ticket stub ? " The management reserves the right to revoke the LISCENSE GUARANTEED by this ticket by refunding the purchse price. Good only for date and performance indicated". When you purchase a ticket to see any movie, you have 1 liscence to that movie. Anyone know what that means ? Pop quizz here. I didn't till today.

[Advanced Dark]

^ I just bought some IMAX stock today in anticipation of Superman breaking some records for the company. Just 500 shares.

[josh8]

Are you saying the actors and actresses of X-Men 3 who said the budget of X-Men 3 was over 200 million and box office mojo are both wrong?

actors and actresses can say whatever they want and are often wrong. anyways, when they say $200mil film in interviews, i think they're just saying it in hyperbole. as for BOM, they often correct their budget info when more reliable info is released. i'm not saying they're wrong. i just have a hard time believing FOX would spend that much. it's too unprecedented for them, especially since so many are convinced that tom rothman hates the franchise.

anyways, back on topic... this weekend's hold was really good. the recovery was bound to happen, but it'll probably be shortlived since superman is right around the corner. x3 has been consistently tracking $25mil above x2 for some time now so i'm predicting a $240mil finish.

[BMM]

^ I just bought some IMAX stock today in anticipation of Superman breaking some records for the company. Just 500 shares.

Haha. That's probably a good idea. Returns looks to be bringing in money. This was posted in the Returns forum:


"MovieTickets.com (http://www.movietickets.com/) said Friday that it was selling three times more tickets to "Superman Returns" five days before its opening than it did for "X-Men: The Last Stand" at the same point in that movie's sales cycle. And Fandango (http://www.fandango.com/) said Friday that 25% of all tickets it was selling that day and the day before were for "Superman Returns."

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239148


That's a lot of tickets, and if the same holds true for IMAX, you could be looking at a nice bump in your stock.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yeah I think so too. It's only 500 shares but a nice bump up to 10-11+ short term is a nice gain.

[PowersOfMind]

X3 is doing really well considering how some big movies released during the summer dont do that great. Especially within the last few years. Its not like X3 is performing way below expectations. Plus the movies are expensive( $10 a ticket here in NYC).

There is no doubt the Superman is gonna bring in the money this summer. I havent seen much hype surrounding it outside of the internet but I knows its gonna do really well.

But I must be a truly jaded person because the fact that Superman stands for "truth, justice, and the American way" just annoys the hell out of me.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Not much hype? Have you been to the theatres and supermarkets. Supes is everywhere.

[PowersOfMind]

Im not talking about advertising, God knows there is plenty of that. Im talking about just people, aside from the die hard fans and those on boards like this, the response I get is really ho-hum. I ask around and most of the time people tell me they dont want to see it or they dont know if they are going to see it.

[BMM]

I find it to be the opposite.

[crappymovie]

I guess it's better if there's "little hype" before the film, then after the film comes out and people are disappointed...like X3. :D

I think the reception to Superman seems reminiscent of Batman Begins - cautious optimism. There's definitely a greater awarness for Superman, and the film looks a bit more....cleaner than X3, which will get the family demographic but might lose some teenagers etc.

I see the opening of Superman to be less than X3, but will have far stronger legs, and will probably outgross it both domestically and overseas.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I guess it's better if there's "little hype" before the film, then after the film comes out and people are disappointed...like X3. :D

I think the reception to Superman seems reminiscent of Batman Begins - cautious optimism. There's definitely a greater awarness for Superman, and the film looks a bit more....cleaner than X3, which will get the family demographic but might lose some teenagers etc.

I see the opening of Superman to be less than X3, but will have far stronger legs, and will probably outgross it both domestically and overseas.

Stop the trolling now.

[crappymovie]

Im not talking about advertising, God knows there is plenty of that. Im talking about just people, aside from the die hard fans and those on boards like this, the response I get is really ho-hum. I ask around and most of the time people tell me they dont want to see it or they dont know if they are going to see it.

:O

Yes, I went down to the senior's home, and they all asked me "What's a Superman? Does he take care of the Brita filters here?" So, I guess this means the film is going to flop...

Isn't it great when people assess public awarness/success by asking friends and family about the film? Because they definitely represent the entire population....

[Advanced Dark]

Superman should make more money than X3. It has a nice little window before Pirates. It really depends on how Pirates box office takes away from it.

[crappymovie]

Stop the trolling now.

I'm sorry.

WOW! X3 has made soo much money, what a great movie! There's no way it's a disappointment! (continues to ignore any negative, substantial points)

But wait...what's it's multiplier again? A 2.19 you say?...NEVERMIND. X3 is the best film ever made, I put it on par with Lawrence of Arabia.

Happy?:up:

[phantom47]

i think that X3 has 15 mil left in it

[flavio_lebeau]

at least in my whole circle of friends, and they're not really into this cinema/comic world, everybody was more hyped to see X3 than Superman. maybe because X-men is a fresh franchise and, like one of my friends said "nah, im tired of seeing that sillyness that is a guy who puts some glasses and no one in earth knows its him. Its silly, silly silly, i prefer X-men coz it could translate in our reality, and is serious..."

[RedIsNotBlue]

I'm sorry.

WOW! X3 has made soo much money, what a great movie! There's no way it's a disappointment! (continues to ignore any negative, substantial points)

But wait...what's it's multiplier again? A 2.19 you say?...NEVERMIND. X3 is the best film ever made, I put it on par with Lawrence of Arabia.

Happy?:up:

No. I am not telling you to do nothing but praise X3 but I have read your past posts and seems pretty much all of them consist you being in the X3 forum putting it down and then talking up SR. Now quit being a jerk and keep Superman in the SR forum. Thank you.

[phantom47]

I was comparing all the international totals between X2 and X3 and X3 has surpassed all but 1 by alot plus there is this weeks totals to enter. X3 will pass X2 in UK tomorrow

Top Foreign territories X3 (X2 total) http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...intl&id=x3.htm
United Kingdom - $32,709,565 ($ 33.54 million)
France - $19,411,784 ($ 19.49 million)
Mexico - $15,184,693 ($ 14.13 million)
Germany -$11,786,370 ($ 15.69 million)
Australia - $11,532,538 ($ 10.65 million)
Spain - $11,070,644 ($ 10.65 million)
Brazil - $9,982,352 ($ 7.4 million)
Italy - $6,786,961 ($ 6.52 million)
Russia - $5,987,031 ($ 3.65 million)

Im pretty sure once the world cup is over X3 will see a boost

[phantom47]

Territories in which X3 has exceeded X2 total

Ecuador $501,075 (X2: $383,745)
Hong Kong $2,613,111 (X2: $1,820,022)
Indonesia $1,246,792 (X2: $885,930)
Latvia $61,188 (X2: $44,684)
Lithuania $49,449 (X2: $32,915)
Malaysia $1,915,456 (X2: $1,193,532)
Middle East + United Arab Emirates $1,367,607(X2: 589,738)
Philippines $3,059,697 (X2: $2,294,628)
Poland $460,247 (X2: $342,249)
Thailand $2,802,194 (X2: $2,356,911)

well basically X3 has surpassed all X2 expect Germany theres alot more territories that I havent posted

[Fanticon]

i think that X3 has 15 mil left in it

I think so too...and imagine all the people out there that will be showing up to a sold out theatres during Superman and POTC2 weeks ahead...it may see an increase for the simple fact that...way down at the bottom of the list of movies playing...X3 is still showing...shoulders will shrug and people will say "hmm why not?...I'll go see that instead since I'm retarded and actually thought I could show up 15mins before Superman started and thought I could get a ticket"....you never know...where most people think it will dissapear after this week or after POTC2...it might actually stick around just a lil longer...Every vacationer out there needs a break from the heat and the beach and wherever they are...July is that month...when I was younger and on vacation, we always managed to find a theatre atleast once or twice and make a tradition out of it...no matter how exotic of a place we were at....whoa...getting all nostalgic:( any way point is X3 is still out there and the studio was confident that it'd be able to last this far and July 4th weekend may be its last hurrah but it was good idea to debut it during a holiday weekend...and see it last to the next one a month later.

[phantom47]

^^ yeah i def. think we will see a boost during July 4th weekend

[ProductionMusic]

I think so too...and imagine all the people out there that will be showing up to a sold out theatres during Superman and POTC2 weeks ahead...it may see an increase for the simple fact that...way down at the bottom of the list of movies playing...X3 is still showing...shoulders will shrug and people will say "hmm why not?...I'll go see that instead since I'm retarded and actually thought I could show up 15mins before Superman started and thought I could get a ticket"....you never know...where most people think it will dissapear after this week or after POTC2...it might actually stick around just a lil longer...Every vacationer out there needs a break from the heat and the beach and wherever they are...July is that month...when I was younger and on vacation, we always managed to find a theatre atleast once or twice and make a tradition out of it...no matter how exotic of a place we were at....whoa...getting all nostalgic:( any way point is X3 is still out there and the studio was confident that it'd be able to last this far and July 4th weekend may be its last hurrah but it was good idea to debut it during a holiday weekend...and see it last to the next one a month later.

I think it is safe to say that just about everyone that wanted to see X3 has seen it (wherever it is open at least)

[Advanced Dark]

^ Most everyone otherwise it would make zero dollars as of today. LOL

[danoyse]

I think it is safe to say that just about everyone that wanted to see X3 has seen it (wherever it is open at least)

My sister and my brother-in-law haven't had time to see it yet. In fact, she shushed us last night when we were talking about the movie in front of her, because they're still planning to get there between now and Pirates.

So there's $20 right there. :p

[danoyse]

:O

Yes, I went down to the senior's home, and they all asked me "What's a Superman? Does he take care of the Brita filters here?" So, I guess this means the film is going to flop...

Is that right next to the day care center where your brother and his friends were all talking about the new Garfield movie a few weeks ago? :p

[Advanced Dark]

Dont' forget when you go to see superman to buy X3 tickets and walk into the superman theatre. LOL

[danoyse]

Haha...do that when you see Pirates too. :p

Wait a minute, I have Disney stock. SEE PIRATES!!! :eek:

[antariksh]

^ Not much hype? Have you been to the theatres and supermarkets. Supes is everywhere.

Ya that is true. Hell i see atleast 20 times the tv spot of SR on the channels.

I think this movie has a bigger marketing budget as well that X3.

[antariksh]

Territories in which X3 has exceeded X2 total

Ecuador $501,075 (X2: $383,745)
Hong Kong $2,613,111 (X2: $1,820,022)
Indonesia $1,246,792 (X2: $885,930)
Latvia $61,188 (X2: $44,684)
Lithuania $49,449 (X2: $32,915)
Malaysia $1,915,456 (X2: $1,193,532)
Middle East + United Arab Emirates $1,367,607(X2: 589,738)
Philippines $3,059,697 (X2: $2,294,628)
Poland $460,247 (X2: $342,249)
Thailand $2,802,194 (X2: $2,356,911)

well basically X3 has surpassed all X2 expect Germany theres alot more territories that I havent posted

Hey put my country India as well. They contributed some money too!!!

[Visionary]

X3 (405,942,251) should pass X2's (407,557,613) WorldWide cume in less than a week, or when the int'l numbers are updated. And we still have Japan's numbers yet to be tallied. :)

[RedIsNotBlue]

Actually I think X3 already passed X2's worldwide take considering yesterday's numbers aren't even in that total.

[Carp Man]

It has surpassed X2's domestic, overseas, and worldwide #'s.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Not X2's overseas numbers.

[Carp Man]

Haha...do that when you see Pirates too. :p

Wait a minute, I have Disney stock. SEE PIRATES!!! :eek:

I see pirates everywhere. Not as many Superman sightings. They have a Volvo they have hidden somewhere, tied to pirates, cell phones, ect, ect. Watched tv last night to count the commercials I saw for Pirates, and the ones for Superman. Every hour saw 2 or 3 pirate commercials, or product tie ins, and 1 Superman. So Pirates is spending much more on advertising then Superman. And many times the commericals I saw, was advertising the Superman DVD's they have for sale now. The original tv Superman, and Lois and Clark. Saw X3commericals every 20 to 30 minutes. Same with FF. Other Companys know how to market. WB either doesn't want to spend the money, or they have a lousy marketing department.

[Carp Man]

Not X2's overseas numbers.

It will. If that 192 million figure holds true, it's only $ 600 thousand from it, so consider it surpassed.

[RedIsNotBlue]

According to Box Office Mojo X3 is only at $181,436,089. And I think it will to but you said IT HAS and it hasn't yet.

[PowersOfMind]

:O

Yes, I went down to the senior's home, and they all asked me "What's a Superman? Does he take care of the Brita filters here?" So, I guess this means the film is going to flop...

Isn't it great when people assess public awarness/success by asking friends and family about the film? Because they definitely represent the entire population....

Im not assessing public awarness by my friends and family. Nor did I say the film was going to flop. I was just saying that outside of the internet and media I hadnt heard much hype about it as I did for X3. I work in a youth center I was just asking around because we were trying to see if we should make a movie date with the kids(ages 13-16) and most of them were not that enthusiastic about seeing Superman. I was making a general statement based on my observations. THATS ALL!!!

So back the **** off.

[Carp Man]

According to Box Office Mojo X3 is only at $181,436,089. And I think it will to but you said IT HAS and it hasn't yet.

That 192 million figure comes from other sources. mojo doesn't update oversea #'s till Tuesday, or Wednesday, so that 192 million is from other sources besides Mojo.

[YJ1]

^ I just bought some IMAX stock today in anticipation of Superman breaking some records for the company. Just 500 shares.

Stick with MVL stock.

IMAX viewing is very overrated to me. It's just not worth the extra ticket price.

[Carp Man]

My world has just come unglued. Roger Ebert gives SR 2 stars. :eek: Only 1 star better then he gave FF. Call Ripleys. In Ebert's opinion, SR is only 1 star better then FF ? My day has been made.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060626/REVIEWS/60606009

Im in total uter shock.

Superman Returns


BY ROGER EBERT / June 27, 2006

It's no fun being Superman. Your life is a lie, there's nobody you can confide in, you're in love but can't express it, and you're on call 24 hours a day. But it can be fun being in a Superman movie. The original "Superman" (1978) was an exuberance of action and humor, because Christopher Reeve could play the character straight and let us know he was kidding.

"Superman II" (1980) was just about as good, but "Superman III" (1983) was a disappointment. "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace," with Reeve, bombed in 1987, and then the series was quiet for 19 years. Now the Man of Steel is back in Bryan Singer's "Superman Returns," which, like its hero, spends a lot of time dead in the water.

This is a glum, lackluster movie in which even the big effects sequences seem dutiful instead of exhilarating. The newsroom of the Daily Planet, filled with eccentricity and life in the earlier movies, now seems populated by corporate drones. Jimmy Olsen, the copy boy, such a brash kid, seems tamed and clueless. Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth) has lost her dash and pizzazz, and her fiance, Richard White (James Marsden), regards her like a deer caught in the headlights. Even the editor, Perry White (Frank Langella), comes across less like a curmudgeon, more like an efficient manager.

One problem is with the casting. Brandon Routh lacks charisma as Superman, and I suppose as Clark Kent, he isn't supposed to have any. Routh may have been cast because he looks a little like Reeve, but there are times when he looks more like an action figure; were effects used to make him seem built from synthetics? We remember the chemistry between Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder (Lois Lane) in the original "Superman" movie, and then observe how their counterparts are tongue-tied in this one. If they had a real romance (and they did), has it left them with nothing more than wistful looks and awkward small talk?

It's strange how little dialogue the title character has in the movie. Clark Kent is monosyllabic, and Superman is microsyllabic. We learn Superman was away for five years on a mission to the remains of his home planet, Krypton. In the meantime, Lois got herself a boyfriend and a little son, played by Tristan Lake Leabu, who mostly stares at people like a beta version of Damien, the kid from "The Omen." Now Superman and (coincidentally) Clark have returned, Clark gets his old job, and Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) is out of prison and plotting to rule the earth.

Lex's plan: use crystals from kryptonite to raise up a new continent in the mid-Atlantic and flood most of the surface of the populated world. Then he'll own all the real estate. Location, location, location. Alas, the craggy landscape he produces couldn't be loved by a mountain goat and won't be habitable for a million years, but never mind. Spacey plays Luthor as sour and sadistic; he has no fun with the role, nor do we.

As for Superman, he's a one-trick pony. To paraphrase Archimedes: "Give me a lever and a place to stand, and I will move the universe." Superman doesn't need the lever or the place to stand, but as he positions himself in flight, straining to lift an airplane or a vast chunk or rock, we reflect that these activities aren't nearly as cinematic as what Batman and Spider-Man get up to. Watching Superman straining to hold a giant airliner, I'm wondering: Why does he strain? Does he have his limits? Would that new Airbus be too much for him? What about if he could stand somewhere?

Superman is vulnerable to one, and only one, substance: kryptonite. He knows this. We know this. Lex Luthor knows this. Yet he has been disabled by kryptonite in every one of the movies. Does he think Lex Luthor would pull another stunt without a supply on hand? Why doesn't he take the most elementary precautions? How can a middle-aged bald man stab the Man of Steel with kryptonite?

Now about Lois' kid. We know who his father is, and Lois knows, and I guess the kid knows, although he calls Richard his daddy. But why is nothing done with this character? He sends a piano flying across a room, but otherwise he just stares with big, solemn eyes, like one of those self-sufficient little brats you can't get to talk. It would have been fun to give Superman a bright, sassy child, like one of the Spy Kids, and make him a part of the plot.

There is I suppose a certain bottom line of competence in "Superman Returns," and superhero fans will want to see the movie just for its effects, its plot outrages and its moments of humor. But when the hero, his alter ego, his girlfriend and the villain all seem to lack any joy in being themselves, why should we feel joy at watching them?

[Darkdd]

What?I thought this was 3 stars for sure!

[WorthyStevens]

My world has just come unglued. Roger Ebert gives SR 2 stars. :eek: Only 1 star better then he gave FF. Call Ripleys. In Ebert's opinion, SR is only 1 star better then FF ? My day has been made.

This is the X3 box office thread, not the Superman review thread. :rolleyes:

[phantom47]

I just got back froma special here downtown and I 100% agree with ebert. Ill give a review of it trying to be spoiler free. I mean The whole movie was CGI infused even when it didnt need to be. There was 2 scenes in the movie that were above the rest but I was still just was sorta underwhelmed. The movie even tough 2 hours and 45 minutes long seemed rushed at the begining but Ruth does a god job. I mean hes no reeve but he does decent. The only flaw seems to be that he seems shy about his role as superman. Bosworth does decent as well, it took a while to get into her role but she does become lois lane. kevin to me was the highlight of the whole movie he does a brilliant job as lex.

overall id give it 2.5/4

PS I cant stand the kid!!!!

[phantom47]

This is the X3 box office thread, not the Superman review thread. :rolleyes:well then just disregard my post:up:

[Carp Man]

This is the X3 box office thread, not the Superman review thread. :rolleyes:

It's here for the Marvel fans to read, and enjoy. Been waiting for Ebert's review. And I'm going to crow. Just as much as the BB fans we're crowing in the BB forums when FF's review came out. Just took a walk on the wild side over on the Superman boards. They got the bad news and are going nuts. Time for me to have a good laugh.

[phantom47]

Monday Numbers Are In $625,454 Total 225,131,616 DOWM 29.3 FROM LAST MONDAY AND DOWN 57 FROM YESTERDAY

[Carp Man]

Updated #'s below. Over the 225 million mark.

[phantom47]

wHEN COMPARING TO X2 AND X1

X2 DID $451,977 DROPPING 83.5% FROM THE PREVIOUS MONDAY AND 69.7 SUNDAY

X1 DID $590,113 DROPING 40.1 FROM THE MONDAY BEFORE AND 53.9 FROM SUNDAY

[phantom47]

We will see a boost maybe tomorrow but def. weds. cause superman comes out and there could be sold out ttheaters and people we just opt to see X-Men 3 instead...the same happened when Omen opened on Tuesday

*just remember if you see superman pay for and xmen ticket and watch superman instead

[WorthyStevens]

It's here for the Marvel fans to read, and enjoy. Been waiting for Ebert's review. And I'm going to crow. Just as much as the BB fans we're crowing in the BB forums when FF's review came out. Just took a walk on the wild side over on the Superman boards. They got the bad news and are going nuts. Time for me to have a good laugh.

Your laugh is a short lived one, seeing as how Superman has been getting amazing reviews, despite Ebert's negative one.

[Carp Man]

We will see a boost maybe tomorrow but def. weds. cause superman comes out and there could be sold out ttheaters and people we just opt to see X-Men 3 instead...the same happened when Omen opened on Tuesday

*just remember if you see superman pay for and xmen ticket and watch superman instead

LOL. But yes I could see that happening. However, I would perfer to see sold out X-Men, and empty SR theaters, but ahhhhhhhhhhh I can dream. :)

[Carp Man]

Your laugh is a short lived one, seeing as how Superman has been getting amazing reviews, despite Ebert's negative one.

Well at RT, critics are 78 %, but user reviews are 69 %. OUCH. Where as X 3 had a 57 % favoriable, but a 73 % favoriable user review.:)

[PowersOfMind]

Hmmmm... didnt see that kind of review coming. I figured he like it.Go figure.

The fact the some people , if they cant get in to see SR, might go see X3 is a notion I hope comes to pass.


Has anyone ever been to the theater and the name of the movie on you ticket is not the movie you paid to see but the ticket guy lets you in anyway?

[WorthyStevens]

Well at RT, critics are 78 %, but user reviews are 69 %. OUCH. Where as X 3 had a 57 % favoriable, but a 73 % favoriable user review.:)

X3 has 530 user reviews, while Superman has 26. Wait some time and we can compare then.

[Carp Man]

X3 has 530 user reviews, while Superman has 26. Wait some time and we can compare then.

I don't like what I'm hearing, I don't think it will resinate with the folks who remember Christopher Reeves, therefore it will have a quick start ala X3, then fizzle. Just my personnel opinion. People are much more excited over POTC, then SR. It has to make a ton of money to recoupe the production, and marketing cost.

[GL's Light]

Ebert's negative review is one of the few outliers among many positive reviews for SR, whereas his pan of FF was right in line with the preponderance of critical opinion of that film. Not much to crow about, unless you mistakenly think Ebert is somehow a god amongst critics.

[Carp Man]

Ebert's negative review is one of the few outliers among many positive reviews for SR, whereas his pan of FF was right in line with the preponderance of critical opinion of that film. Not much to crow about, unless you mistakenly think Ebert is somehow a god amongst critics.

In your opinion. Ebert is one of the most respected. And him rating SR 1 star better then FF is indeed intresting. Driving fans in the Superman boards nuts. LOL. However, it will start fast, then once the emotional effect has worn off, and you see it for what it is, very few will want to go back for a second helping. Just like X3. More people are talking, and I see more advertisments, and more excitment over POTC, then SR. POTC is the kryptonite, along with the movie, that will prevent SR from being all it could be.

[WorthyStevens]

In your opinion. Ebert is one of the most respected. And him rating SR 1 star better then FF is indeed intresting. Driving fans in the Superman boards nuts. LOL. However, it will start fast, then once the emotional effect has worn off, and you see it for what it is, very few will want to go back for a second helping. Just like X3. More people are talking, and I see more advertisments, and more excitment over POTC, then SR.

And how exactly do you know what Superman 'is'? Have you seen the movie yet?

[GL's Light]

In your opinion. Ebert is one of the most respected. And him rating SR 1 star better then FF is indeed intresting. Driving fans in the Superman boards nuts. LOL. However, it will start fast, then once the emotional effect has worn off, and you see it for what it is, very few will want to go back for a second helping. Just like X3. More people are talking, and I see more advertisments, and more excitment over POTC, then SR. POTC is the kryptonite, along with the movie, that will prevent SR from being all it could be.
Well, since you invest so much in his opinions it must really strike a dagger into your heart that he only gave FF one star.

[Carp Man]

And how exactly do you know what Superman 'is'? Have you seen the movie yet?

Nope. And won't go see it till it comes to the 50 cent movie theater. 50 cents all day Tuesday. The trailers look sharp, but trailers can be decieving. And my opinion on what it is is based on what I've heard. Not just from Ebert, but other people who have seen it. It will not be accepted by the hardcore, Christopher Reeve ( Superman ) fan, IMO

[WorthyStevens]

Nope. And won't go see it till it comes to the 50 cent movie theater. 50 cents all day Tuesday. The trailers look sharp, but trailers can be decieving. And my opinion on what it is is based on what I've heard. Not just from Ebert, but other people who have seen it. It will not be accepted by the hardcore, Christopher Reeve ( Superman ) fan, IMO

And I've heard Routh fits the bill as Superman, even when compared to Reeve.

[Carp Man]

Well, since you invest so much in his opinions it must really strike a dagger into your heart that he only gave FF one star.

Nah. I loved the movie, as did others by the final #'s. Ebert nor anyone else was going to tell me any different, and it did well for the piece of crap movie it was suppose to be. I got a great deal of satisfaction from the suscess of the movie. Great deal of satisfaction on proving him wroung, and a great deal of satisfaction that he gives it 1 more star then FF. Shows he can be objective. He's not the DC fan I thought he was. All I hear over on Superman boards is ohhhhhhhh he rated BB 4 stars how can he give SR 2 stars. Fanboys run the full gamit, but not like DC, and Marvel.

[GL's Light]

So when Ebert gives SR two stars he's being objective, but his one star review for FF is somehow proven objectively "wroung" by FF's box office? Never mind that quality and box office returns aren't linked in any definable way. Your DC vs Marvel obsession is warping your thought process beyond logical comprehension.

[Carp Man]

So when Ebert gives SR two stars he's being objective, but his one star review for FF is somehow proven objectively "wroung" by FF's box office? Never mind that quality and box office returns aren't linked in any definable way. Your DC vs Marvel obsession is warping your thought process beyond logical comprehension.

Logical comparision ? He gives BB 4 stars, SR 2 stars. There are many who say it will make more then BB, and in the same breath say it could be better then BB. Where's the logic in that ? It's all opinion, based on how each person looks at it. If it doesnt make at least 400 million worldwide ( which I think it will ), I'll be shocked. But I don't think it will make the 500,600,700 million some think it will. I had no delusions when it came to FF, I thought it would make between 300 and 400 million. Actuall I thought it would make 350. I went and saw it 9 times.

[GL's Light]

You're still not making sense. There is no link between Ebert's star ratings and box office performance. If there was FF wouldn't have grossed $ 330 million worldwide.

[WorthyStevens]

Logical comparision ? He gives BB 4 stars, SR 2 stars. There are many who say it will make more then BB, and in the same breath say it could be better then BB. Where's the logic in that ? It's all opinion, based on how each person looks at it. If it doesnt make at least 400 million worldwide ( which I think it will ), I'll be shocked. But I don't think it will make the 500,600,700 million some think it will. I had no delusions when it came to FF, I thought it would make between 300 and 400 million. Actuall I thought it would make 350. I went and saw it 9 times.

You're basing WAY TOO MUCH off of Ebert's review.

[Darkdd]

Does anyone actually know how a movie ends up with its final 'star' rating?

[PowersOfMind]

Ive actually always wondered that myself. Who decides how many stars a movie gets. But as it stands im my own critic. I loved X3 and I thought is was a good movie.

Plus...there is mixed review of Supes in from AICN over on the SR threads.

[BMM]

Well at RT, critics are 78 %, but user reviews are 69 %. OUCH. Where as X 3 had a 57 % favoriable, but a 73 % favoriable user review.

A failing grade of 57% is anything but favorable . . . and neither is 73%, particularly for a franchise whose general acclaim used to be good and improving . . . but luckily it isn't as bad as the 25% critic rating or 58% user rating of Fantastic Four.

It's here for the Marvel fans to read, and enjoy. Been waiting for Ebert's review. And I'm going to crow. Just as much as the BB fans we're crowing in the BB forums when FF's review came out. Just took a walk on the wild side over on the Superman boards. They got the bad news and are going nuts. Time for me to have a good laugh.

I laugh too, because Returns one bad review still outranks not only Ebert's Fantastic Four review, but almost all of Fantastic Four's reviews as well . . . and sadly, those of The Last Stand. The box office numbers should be interesting.

[GreenKToo]

I read his review,and it sounded to me like he was mad that it wasnt just like S:TM,which to me,is a good thing.

[danoyse]

I watched the original "Superman" on DVD last night...and not only was I picking up things that I've already seen in the trailers and clips, I also saw a few things that Singer used in the first X-Men movie.

Cannot wait to see it!

Not sure how much money it's making tonight...but they had a special screening at the AMC on 42nd St in NY at 6:00, I passed by on my way home, and they were turning people away at the doors because it was sold out. Must be a good sign. :up:

[antariksh]

Nah. I loved the movie, as did others by the final #'s. Ebert nor anyone else was going to tell me any different, and it did well for the piece of crap movie it was suppose to be. I got a great deal of satisfaction from the suscess of the movie. Great deal of satisfaction on proving him wroung, and a great deal of satisfaction that he gives it 1 more star then FF. Shows he can be objective. He's not the DC fan I thought he was. All I hear over on Superman boards is ohhhhhhhh he rated BB 4 stars how can he give SR 2 stars. Fanboys run the full gamit, but not like DC, and Marvel.

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA


I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

CRY SUPERMAN FANS CRY!!!!

[WorthyStevens]

:rolleyes:

[Loganbabe]

Well, I´m not interested in SR, but good luck to the movie anyway. I have to admit I´m still bitter that Bryan abandoned the X-Men franchise. Even though I really liked X3, it would be really interesting to see Singer closing the "trilogy".
On another note...does anyone knows where can I find the International B.O. numbers? I´d like to know how much X3 has made in Brazil so far...

[spideyboy_1111]

Logical comparision ? He gives BB 4 stars, SR 2 stars. There are many who say it will make more then BB, and in the same breath say it could be better then BB. Where's the logic in that ? It's all opinion, based on how each person looks at it. If it doesnt make at least 400 million worldwide ( which I think it will ), I'll be shocked. But I don't think it will make the 500,600,700 million some think it will. I had no delusions when it came to FF, I thought it would make between 300 and 400 million. Actuall I thought it would make 350. I went and saw it 9 times.
well logically SR could never be better then BB for the simple fact BB was a revamp and starting from scratch move.. (something SR should have been)

[phantom47]

Well, I´m not interested in SR, but good luck to the movie anyway. I have to admit I´m still bitter that Bryan abandoned the X-Men franchise. Even though I really liked X3, it would be really interesting to see Singer closing the "trilogy".
On another note...does anyone knows where can I find the International B.O. numbers? I´d like to know how much X3 has made in Brazil so far...as of 6/19 $9,982,352 once this wekks numbers im guessing closer to 11 mil

[Loganbabe]

Thanks! :)
X3 is a huge hit here... :D

[rashad]

Ive actually always wondered that myself. Who decides how many stars a movie gets. But as it stands im my own critic. I loved X3 and I thought is was a good movie.

Plus...there is mixed review of Supes in from AICN over on the SR threads.

I too loved it and thought it was a good movie. And so did my sister who say it with her boyfriend last week.

[Angamb]

which do you think could be the final boxoffice in foreign market?

250 sounds so much?

abd domestically, 240 sounds possible right now.

the 500 million worldwide isn't so far...

[PowersOfMind]

I too loved it and thought it was a good movie. And so did my sister who say it with her boyfriend last week.

Yeah. Im not blind and I know X3 had its flaws but still I thought it was a good movie.

[Iceman]

$420m worldwide - not bad so far.

[Milkman95]

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA


I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

CRY SUPERMAN FANS CRY!!!!

Hilarious, you're a joke.

The film is a very good one and will do very well with general audiences.

For another summer, DC owns Marvel it seems. Maybe Fox can take a lesson and hire quality directors and give them time to actually film the damn thing.

[Carp Man]

Ok. Overseas #'s are updated thru June 26 th. Latest figures updated below.

[Angamb]

X3 will end close to 500 million worldwide.

[Advanced Dark]

^ Let's say it squeezes out 235 domestic. So you think it'll make 265 international? How's that?

[highguard]

A failing grade of 57% is anything but favorable . . . and neither is 73%

I think a 57% favorable rating means that 57% of the reviews were favorable. The remaining 43% of critics would have submitted unfavorable reviews.

The word favorable is just a useful description.

And that is my good deed for today.

[KenK]

Hilarious, you're a joke.

The film is a very good one and will do very well with general audiences.

For another summer, DC owns Marvel it seems. Maybe Fox can take a lesson and hire quality directors and give them time to actually film the damn thing.

They don't want to pay for a high-profile quality director, and any "lesser-known-but-still-creative" director with half a brain refuses to work with FOX (Joss Whedon, Alex Proyas, Stephen Norrington, etc.). These idiots torpedoed a Ridley Scott/James Cameron Aliens project.

[WorthyStevens]

For another summer, DC owns Marvel it seems.

That may change come summer 2008. ;)

[Milkman95]

That may change come summer 2008. ;)

Nah, Iron-Man won't trump a BB sequel.

Iron-Man is in great hands with Favreau though, I can't wait to see how it all comes together - I really like the character.

[flavio_lebeau]

Well, I´m not interested in SR, but good luck to the movie anyway. I have to admit I´m still bitter that Bryan abandoned the X-Men franchise. Even though I really liked X3, it would be really interesting to see Singer closing the "trilogy".
On another note...does anyone knows where can I find the International B.O. numbers? I´d like to know how much X3 has made in Brazil so far...
close to ten million dollars. It surpassed the Brazilian BO for X2 in about two million already. But i read that in here, so i have no source.
oops i just read that someone replied to this already :O

[BMM]

I think a 57% favorable rating means that 57% of the reviews were favorable. The remaining 43% of critics would have submitted unfavorable reviews.

The word favorable is just a useful description.

And that is my good deed for today.

I agree that 57% of the reviews are favorable . . . but I still consider this failing within bounds of liking and disliking X3--57% out of a possible 100% find X3 to be favorable (and that's pretty lenient considering a large portion of favorable reviews are lacklaster if not simply uninspiring) . . . somewhat like a typical grading scale:

90-100 A
80-89 B
70-79 C
60-69 D
59 and below F

[narrows101]

Well, I´m not interested in SR, but good luck to the movie anyway. I have to admit I´m still bitter that Bryan abandoned the X-Men franchise. Even though I really liked X3, it would be really interesting to see Singer closing the "trilogy".
On another note...does anyone knows where can I find the International B.O. numbers? I´d like to know how much X3 has made in Brazil so far... http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=x3.htm

Foreign Total as of Jun. 26, 2006:
$195,692,547

Brazil 5/26/06 $9,982,352 6/19/06

[Carp Man]

For another summer, DC owns Marvel it seems.

Dc Doesn't own anything. Marvel rules now, and in 07. Ghost Rider, SM 3 ( which will blow SR right out of the water, in fact POTC 2 will do that ), then the comic film of 07, FF 2. FF, and Marvel rule. Once again you will be bowing down to the all mighty Marvel.

[Advanced Dark]

DC doesn't have the stable of characters that Marvel has or at least they're not groomed for the big screen yet. I think a flash movie would honestly be shallow, Green Lantern could be awesome, Teen Titans and JLA could be fun, Sandman would be great, LOBO could be similar to Hellboy, but the rest to me anyways (after Batman/Superman) are kind of weak, and the problem I have with Superman is he's just too much of a goody goody. Batman and Green Lantern are my favorites.

[crappymovie]

Dc Doesn't own anything. Marvel rules now, and in 07. Ghost Rider, SM 3 ( which will blow SR right out of the water, in fact POTC 2 will do that ), then the comic film of 07, FF 2. FF, and Marvel rule. Once again you will be bowing down to the all mighty Marvel.

Right now, Marvel does rule...financially. Although, most of DC's films came out many years ago, the Spider-Man films are phenomenons (financially), no doubt. The X Franchise is a success as well, as are the B-movie Marvel movies that have come out recently.

But Ghost Rider?? It will likely preform like Daredevul at best. But SM3 will rule the box office of 07, especially if anything it indicated by the new trailer. FF2, which is actually called "Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer" (official title) , will probably have a Hulk like preformance...especially since it's another rushed job.

So, calm down, and wait a few years for a fair fight. Marvel is ruling now, but DC is just re-starting. Although, with films like Spider-Man 3, i'd prefer if Marvel won. :up:

[crappymovie]

DC doesn't have the stable of characters that Marvel has or at least they're not groomed for the big screen yet. I think a flash movie would honestly be shallow, Green Lantern could be awesome, Teen Titans and JLA could be fun, Sandman would be great, LOBO could be similar to Hellboy, but the rest to me anyways (after Batman/Superman) are kind of weak, and the problem I have with Superman is he's just too much of a goody goody. Batman and Green Lantern are my favorites.

So here's DC's possible A-list line-up: Batman, Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, and the Green Lantern.

That's still pretty good. Marvel is slowly running through their characters are ruining possible franchises....:(

[Darkdd]

Summer 2007 just got more interesting as Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix comes out on July 13th.

http://www.mugglenet.com/movies/movie5/releasedates.shtml

[Carp Man]

So here's DC's possible A-list line-up: Batman, Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, and the Green Lantern.

That's still pretty good. Marvel is slowly running through their characters are ruining possible franchises....:(

Here's DC's A list : Batman, Superman, Batman, Superman, Batman, Superman, Ect. Ect................... They are a 2 trick pony. They have not developed any of there other charactors. Marvel has done, Spider-Man, FF, X-Men. And they are developing Silver Surfer, Iron Man, Ghost Rider. Captain America somewhere down the road. So Marvel has a welth of franchises still to come.

[Mike059jig]

Just like marvel only has X-men and Spider-man which are their only good movies...

[crappymovie]

Summer 2007 just got more interesting as Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix comes out on July 13th.

http://www.mugglenet.com/movies/movie5/releasedates.shtml

I thought this summer had competition, next summer is insane...don't forget the biggest film: Shrek the Third.

But anyways, back to X3. How much will it drop today with Superman Returns opening? And I don't think the deferred "sold-out" crowd will reduce the drop THAT much....

[crappymovie]

Here's DC's A list : Batman, Superman, Batman, Superman, Batman, Superman, Ect. Ect................... They are a 2 trick pony. They have not developed any of there other charactors. Marvel has done, Spider-Man, FF, X-Men. And they are developing Silver Surfer, Iron Man, Ghost Rider. Captain America somewhere down the road. So Marvel has a welth of franchises still to come.

Wait until Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer (I re-iterate the name) opens next year to assess the "franchise" possibilities.

And do you really see Ghost Rider even making $150 million...be honest, we'll hold it to you next year. ;)

Iron Man should be a big film...but so should Wonder Woman. For every Marvel film opening, another entry in a DC franchise is practically opening...not to mention, the new DC films don't have to deal with the stigma of their previous lackluster entry....

[Carp Man]

Summer 2007 just got more interesting as Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix comes out on July 13th.

http://www.mugglenet.com/movies/movie5/releasedates.shtml

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[GL's Light]

Yea that's WB being sneeky pete again. And people wounder why I hate DC. First Transformers, FF moved, now HP, 2 days before FF opens. This does not surprise me, but shows me how low DC, and WB will go. :down Just another reason to not respect them. They are snakes in the grass.
DC has nothing to do with WB's scheduling decisions. Honestly this post is so unhinged that it's hilarious.

Ah well, guess FF 2 will have to look for another release date. Again.

[crappymovie]

Yea that's WB being sneeky pete again. And people wounder why I hate DC. First Transformers, FF moved, now HP, 2 days before FF opens. This does not surprise me, but shows me how low DC, and WB will go. :down Just another reason to not respect them. They are snake in the grasses.

You're right. I completely forgot that DC wrote the Harry Potter series....:confused:

So you hate anything associated with Warner Brothers because they make DC films....right. So I can see that any reasonable arguments will be lost with you, so I'll let you sit with your dreams of how great FF2 will be (notice, it has the same filming timeline as thw previous film...hmmm), how lucrative Ghost Rider will be (it's clearly a B-Marvel movie), and all the franchise possibilities Marvel has. Although DC is just re-starting...

But good luck to Marvel. :up: They've made their almost "Batman Forever", it's only a matter of time before they make their Batman & Robin. :)

[crappymovie]

DC has nothing to do with WB's scheduling decisions. Honestly this post is so unhinged that it's hilarious.

Ah well, guess FF 2 will have to look for another release date. Again.

It's those damn Harry Potter actors, they must be DC readers! They plotted to write their exams this summer, thereby forcing the filming to go over schedule, which lead to the later release date! All because they hate Marvel! Damn them!

FF2 will run away for HP. It won't exactly be as well received in the fall, because it's not that type of movie. Maybe it'll be moved up to Spring, so that Fox can get their quick money faster. :O

[Carp Man]

DC has nothing to do with WB's scheduling decisions. Honestly this post is so unhinged that it's hilarious.

Ah well, guess FF 2 will have to look for another release date. Again.

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[Carp Man]

It's those damn Harry Potter actors, they must be DC readers! They plotted to write their exams this summer, thereby forcing the filming to go over schedule, which lead to the later release date! All because they hate Marvel! Damn them!

FF2 will run away for HP. It won't exactly be as well received in the fall, because it's not that type of movie. Maybe it'll be moved up to Spring, so that Fox can get their quick money faster. :O

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[crappymovie]

If noone can see a conspircy here, well I can't help you.

This thread is done. Seriously, the release date change was a conspiracy...pathetic. I'd tell you that because Dan Radcliffe and Emma Watson wanted to write their school exams this summer, thereby stalling filming for 1-2 months, the release date was push forward. But you clearly aren't reasonable/sane so I'm sure it's because of a more reasonable explanation: Satan owns the WB.

Good luck in the future :up:

:spidey:

[Advanced Dark]

I'm telling you FF2 was never gonna stick to this date. FF2 will be Dec 14th.

[GL's Light]

But Transformers is a Paramount/DreamWorks film, and they're the ones who kicked FF 2 out of the July 4th weekend release. Paramount is going to be distributing the self-financed Marvel films, yet doesn't their Transformers move make them sneaky pete snakes in the grass, too? Can they be trusted to do right by Marvel's films?

[Carp Man]

This thread is done. Seriously, the release date change was a conspiracy...pathetic. I'd tell you that because Dan Radcliffe and Emma Watson wanted to write their school exams this summer, thereby stalling filming for 1-2 months, the release date was push forward. But you clearly aren't reasonable/sane so I'm sure it's because of a more reasonable explanation: Satan owns the WB.

Good luck in the future :up:

:spidey:

Ok. Got my months wroung. July the 13 th. Np then..

[GL's Light]

Ah, so there's no scheduling conflict between HP 5 and FF 2 after all? See, WB is saintly, and Marvel and DC fans can co-exist in bliss and harmony. :)

[Carp Man]

Wait until Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer (I re-iterate the name) opens next year to assess the "franchise" possibilities.

And do you really see Ghost Rider even making $150 million...be honest, we'll hold it to you next year. ;)

Iron Man should be a big film...but so should Wonder Woman. For every Marvel film opening, another entry in a DC franchise is practically opening...not to mention, the new DC films don't have to deal with the stigma of their previous lackluster entry....

I have no clue what Ghost Rider will make. Wounder Woman will go the way of Catwoman. SM 3 will be the movie of 2007, with FF hot on it's heels. 07 will be the year of Marvel.

[Carp Man]

Ah, so there's no scheduling conflict between HP 5 and FF 2 after all? See, WB is saintly, and Marvel and DC fans can co-exist in bliss and harmony. :)

Bliss and harmony ? With some. Milk and Pickle and I have gone round and round more then our share, but we respect each other. The objective ones. I have no objectivity when it comes to FF. None, zero. You attact FF, you attact me.

[phantom47]

I have no clue what Ghost Rider will make. Wounder Woman will go the way of Catwoman. SM 3 will be the movie of 2007, with FF hot on it's heels. 07 will be the year of Marvel.Dont forget pirates 3

[Carp Man]

Dont forget pirates 3

It will indeed be a good race. Looking forward to it. :) They finish 1,2, and FF, and GR in the top 10, I'll be very happy. :)

[GL's Light]

Spidey 3, Pirates 3, HP 5, and Shrek 3 will duke it out for the top spot of 2007. FF 2 will probably land just outside the Top 10, same as FF 1. I don't think GR has much chance of landing in the Top 10. It'll either be a box office disappointment or a modest success.

[Carp Man]

Spidey 3, Pirates 3, HP 5, and Shrek 3 will duke it out for the top spot of 2007. FF 2 will probably land just outside the Top 10, same as FF 1. I don't think GR has much chance of landing in the Top 10. It'll either be a box office disappointment or a modest success.

Hey. Let me dream a little. :) 07 should be a banner year for movie makers, and fans. Lots of big movies. Just those 6 you mentioned alone.

[Advanced Dark]

^ FF2 should still move to Dec 14th in Narnia 2's old spot unless someone else has moved there that I don't know about.

Dont' forget: Blade on Spike...tonight kids.

[Carp Man]

Let's see :

Ghost Rider - Feb. 16th
Spider-Man 3 - May 4th
Shrek The Third - May 18th
Pirates of the Caribian - May 25th
Fantastic Four 2 - June 15th
Harry Potter - July 13th

First 6 months of 07 will be booming. May thru July will rock the industry. Anyone taking bets that the month of May will continue to look that way ? It will be cut throat.

[Advanced Dark]

I wouldn't be shocked if Spiderman Moved back to May 2nd as they should. Even as it stands they have 14 days to themselves. **** if X3 can make 124 million in 4 days imagine what Spiderman 3 with Venom will do. It could quite possibley make 300 million in 2 weeks domestic and more overseas making it the fastest film to hit 300,400,500,600 million plus worldwide. Should come close to a billion. This franchise has made enough money to bring Tobey...but is he too old. I say find a new actor and let Venom take center stage with Mysterio and the intro of Lizard in 4-6. Though I'd also love to see a film with Peter Parker on vacation and he wakes up and finds himself on some Island being hunted by Kraven.

[Carp Man]

I agree. SM 3 is going to be huge. It should be SM 3 1st, POTC 3, and Sherk 3 fighting for 2nd, and 3rd spots. Don't see either of those movies ousting SM 3. SM did $ 821.7 total. SM 2 did $ 783.7 total. Wouldn't surprise me if it makes a billion. Much to the constipation of the other side. Only 2 movies have done a billion worldwide, Titanic, and LOTR : Return Of The King.

[Carp Man]

Ok. Tuesdays #'s are in. $ 576,368. Down 33 % from last Tuesday. Will have SR's 1st #'s tomorrow. Check my sig.

[Advanced Dark]

I agree. SM 3 is going to be huge. It should be SM 3 1st, POTC 3, and Sherk 3 fighting for 2nd, and 3rd spots. Don't see either of those movies ousting SM 3. SM did $ 821.7 total. SM 2 did $ 783.7 total. Wouldn't surprise me if it makes a billion. Much to the constipation of the other side. Only 2 movies have done a billion worldwide, Titanic, and LOTR : Return Of The King.

Spiderman 2 did less because it wasn't as fun to watch over and over again as the first film was however it was a better film. The insane repeat viewings weren't at the same level as the first film even with higher ticket prices. This will change with Venom, Sandman, and GG2.

[demitri_vampiro]

i found spiderman 1 more boring the second time than sm2, but it did those numbers because it was overhyped.

[demitri_vampiro]

just wondering what is it that x-movies lack. why can't they make more than 300 domestic and over 600 or 700 million worldwide. sure x-men are not as well known as spidey, but no one knew about pirates of the caribbean and yet they made more than 300 domesticly. Many thought that x-2 was great, x-3 had plenty of action yet they struggled to reach 200 mark both domesticly and worldwide.

[Amm-arD]

how can Pirates 3 be out in 07 if Pirates 2 is out in 06?!

[demitri_vampiro]

they are filmed back to back

[BMM]

Because they were filmed back-to-back.

[Amm-arD]

oh right thanks..as far as records are conserned, i think Spidey 3 will be in the top 3 in 07

[GL's Light]

just wondering what is it that x-movies lack. why can't they make more than 300 domestic and over 600 or 700 million worldwide. sure x-men are not as well known as spidey, but no one knew about pirates of the caribbean and yet they made more than 300 domesticly. Many thought that x-2 was great, x-3 had plenty of action yet they struggled to reach 200 mark both domesticly and worldwide.
To reach $ 600 million worldwide, or more, a film has to have very wide demographic appeal. Franchises like Spider-Man and Harry Potter pull in just about everyone: teens, couples on dates, families with little kids, guys and girls, young and old. The X-Men films are more limited in their demographic appeal. The key demographic that's missing is the kiddie/family demo - and that's the most important demo to tap to drive a film up beyond 600 mil.

[PowersOfMind]

Hmm the line up for 07 already. Some great movies SM3, POTC3 and Shrek.
Plus the Fantastic Four.

[TheVileOne]

Pirates of the Carribbean 2 is 2 1/2 hours long.

Screw X-men 3.

[Fanticon]

its too bad they are all so far away...why can't there be a line up this good for November\December? The only thing I'm real excited about is Casino Royale...isn't there anything...KingKonglike coming up this Fall? There aren't enough comicbook movies out around Fall...I want them to release Wolverine in November 07...if its quality and turns out to be a decent movie and makes money...then studios might start releasing more comic book genre films around this time...as long as its not the bottom of the barrel crap like Blade Trinity...we'll start seeing more movies like it start to pop up during all seasons of the year not just spring and summer. I personally think they should hold Fantastic Four 2 off untill November or December...It would do just fine in those two months.

[Xfanfan]

just wondering what is it that x-movies lack. why can't they make more than 300 domestic and over 600 or 700 million worldwide. sure x-men are not as well known as spidey, but no one knew about pirates of the caribbean and yet they made more than 300 domesticly. Many thought that x-2 was great, x-3 had plenty of action yet they struggled to reach 200 mark both domesticly and worldwide.

I always thought that X-men had the potential to be in the 300 million club also and I know it does. The opening this year proves it, but what is lacking is the ability to please many fans. For one we need another studio to take over this franchise because as long as Fox are involved I dont see it reaching its full potential, Fox is too cheap and they like to get too involved in the production instead of letting the director shape the movie the way he wants it. As for X3 I think certain ingredients could have helped it reach the 300 million mark easily. The Phoenix firebird, a arial battle between Storm and Phoenix, not killing Cyclops if anything just having him leave the X-men or just being hurt(which is still possible that is what happened) and lastly an extended cameo by Gambit. I have a co worker that is not really an X-men fan and even him was asking where is Gambit? that in addition to maybe a short cameo of nightcrawler that gained a sizesable fanbase in the last movie. All these things would have added to the boxoffice especially its repeat viewing but lets face it, Fox is cheap.

PS for that same reason I find it hard to believe they really spent 210 million on the production, most sites either have it listed at 165 million or 150 million which makes sense with what we know about Fox and their cheap selves.

Xfanfan

[Cosmic Mind]

I hope that with that amount maybe they will greenlit X4

[Carp Man]

oh right thanks..as far as records are conserned, i think Spidey 3 will be in the top 3 in 07

Just like The Empire Strikes Back, and Return Of The Jedi, we're filmed back to back.

[Excel]

spidey 3 will be number 1 in 2007. the only reason spidey 2 wasnt number 1 was cause it only had 2 years diffrence;this three year difference will do A LOT. iron man will be lucky to do fantasic four numbers; batman begins is looking to be a 275 million+ hit if it is good.

[phoenix_force]

turn the river will be number one 2007!

[Mike059jig]

harry potter!!!

[xantax]

spiderman III - everybody was applauding when they showed the teaser during superman returns... i'm looking forward to it!

the last stand's numbers have been consistent and very good.

[danoyse]

Just like The Empire Strikes Back, and Return Of The Jedi, we're filmed back to back.

They weren't filmed back-to-back.

[Loganbabe]

I always thought that X-men had the potential to be in the 300 million club also and I know it does. The opening this year proves it, but what is lacking is the ability to please many fans.
I don´t think it´s the "ability to please many fans" that is the problem. I agree with GL´s Light - the X franchise lacks the "family/little kiddies appeal" that many franchises like HP, Spidey, PotC have. Also it doesn´t have the same appeal to older adults like the LotR movies had. I can imagine my mother going to the movies to watch LotR, but not X-Men. And she took her grandchildren to the HP movies.
As for the ability to please fans...I was pleased. :) I don´t think it´s the best of the trilogy, it could have been a better movie, but it is good anyway.

[DarknessOfDeath]

turn the river?? WTF... thats a Famke movie...but again..whats interesting about it is that she'll play a pool shark. heh. nifty.

Those balls tend to roll around once in a while. I remember, one of the balls almost hit someone. lol. heh.

all I can say is that Pool is a perverted game if you know what I mean. My friend made fun of my 'stick' ... oh yeah and one of the balls almost hit me in the groin.

but other than that. it was fun. I miss playing pool-sometimes.

[danoyse]

I don´t think it´s the "ability to please many fans" that is the problem. I agree with GL´s Light - the X franchise lacks the "family/little kiddies appeal" that many franchises like HP, Spidey, PotC have. Also it doesn´t have the same appeal to older adults like the LotR movies had. I can imagine my mother going to the movies to watch LotR, but not X-Men. And she took her grandchildren to the HP movies.
As for the ability to please fans...I was pleased. :) I don´t think it´s the best of the trilogy, it could have been a better movie, but it is good anyway.

Agreed. I've always thought the X-Men series was the least kid-friendly of all the recent comic book movies. Spiderman, Superman and even Batman have more easily identifiable superheroes, as far as a little one would be able to figure out. My cousin is 4 and he knows who Spiderman is, even though he's never seen the movies. The good guy/bad guy line just isn't as clear as it is in a typical superhero movie.

And I was pleased with the movie too. :)

[Visionary]

Goodbye X2 ($407,557,613) say hello to X3 ($421,400,547) :)

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=x3.htm

X3 has officially beat X2 domestically, overseas and worldwide...and it hasn't even been released in Japan yet. ;)

[CapBeerCino]

Well at RT, critics are 78 %, but user reviews are 69 %. OUCH. Where as X 3 had a 57 % favoriable, but a 73 % favoriable user review.:)

Users reviews for SR are up to 86% with 108 users, just in case you are wondering.

And it's 56% at the moment not 57%.

[Amm-arD]

Goodbye X2 ($407,557,613) say hello to X3 ($421,400,547) :)

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=x3.htm

X3 has officially beat X2 domestically, overseas and worldwide...and it hasn't even been released in Japan yet. ;)

wahayy, good for X3!

[Milkman95]

Transformers will win 2007.

[Advanced Dark]

^ No chance of that at all. Spiderman 3 will win 2007...hands down. The Trasnformers effects might draw people to a big opening weekend but I have really no interest in watching a bunch of giant action figures roam around shooting things. Kids like Spiderman, X-Men, Batman, Superman, FF because they want to be like them. That's why their popularity has never really waned. You can't relate to a robot. You can enjoy the effects but how far will that take you.

[PowersOfMind]

I agree I dont think Transformers is aa popular as it once was. It obviously still has some bite since Hollywood is churnign out a movie. But who knows as the relase date gets closer and closer maybe the hype will be amped as well.

[Lil_Flip246]

Current Box Office. This is the most recent..Tuesday:
1.CLICK
2.CARS
3.NACHO LIBRE
4.THE LAKE HOUSE
5.THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS: TOKYO DRIFT
6.THE BREAK-UP
7.GARFIELD: A TAIL OF TWO KITTIES
8.X-MEN: THE LAST STAND
9.WAIST DEEP
10.THE DA VINCI CODE

[phantom47]

Users reviews for SR are up to 86% with 108 users, just in case you are wondering.

And it's 56% at the moment not 57%.

X3 actually at 57 while at supes is 76 for now

[WorthyStevens]

Wed.'s numbers (Showbiz data): $375k for a $226,094,000 total.

Supes made $21.015 million.

http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

[demitri_vampiro]

I always thought that X-men had the potential to be in the 300 million club also and I know it does. The opening this year proves it, but what is lacking is the ability to please many fans. For one we need another studio to take over this franchise because as long as Fox are involved I dont see it reaching its full potential, Fox is too cheap and they like to get too involved in the production instead of letting the director shape the movie the way he wants it. As for X3 I think certain ingredients could have helped it reach the 300 million mark easily. The Phoenix firebird, a arial battle between Storm and Phoenix, not killing Cyclops if anything just having him leave the X-men or just being hurt(which is still possible that is what happened) and lastly an extended cameo by Gambit. I have a co worker that is not really an X-men fan and even him was asking where is Gambit? that in addition to maybe a short cameo of nightcrawler that gained a sizesable fanbase in the last movie. All these things would have added to the boxoffice especially its repeat viewing but lets face it, Fox is cheap.

PS for that same reason I find it hard to believe they really spent 210 million on the production, most sites either have it listed at 165 million or 150 million which makes sense with what we know about Fox and their cheap selves.

Xfanfan
it is kinda funny, all this situation around x-3. we all know fox is a cheap ass studio, but then they rush a movie to meet a deadline which costs them extra money and the movie earns less because the quality suffered. if they gave ratner more time like he asked the movie would feel more complete and it would be cheaper because they wouldn't have to rush the effects.
there are some really stupid people there at fox.

[Iceman]

Mojo - $381,059 for Wednesday taking the total to $226,089,043

Front page updated

[Carp Man]

Ok. Wednesdays #'s are in, updated #'s below. Anyone intrested 21 million for SR.

[Hiruu]

LOL...guess Supes isn't going to shatter records as had been predicted by so many fan-boys. I love Supes as well, but the prognosis isn't looking good for shattering everything. Glad to see Supes did okay for it's budget and expectation, but with POTC2 (aka Doomsday) less than 10 days away....it's going to be tough on the Man of Steel. POTC2 is simply going to blotch out the sun, and with Johnny Depth's global appeal...yikes!

[phantom47]

i think supes took much of Xs audience thats why we saw a drop

[PowersOfMind]

POTC2 aka Doomsday...LOL

[Avalanche]

LOL...guess Supes isn't going to shatter records as had been predicted by so many fan-boys. I love Supes as well, but the prognosis isn't looking good for shattering everything. Glad to see Supes did okay for it's budget and expectation, but with POTC2 (aka Doomsday) less than 10 days away....it's going to be tough on the Man of Steel. POTC2 is simply going to blotch out the sun, and with Johnny Depth's global appeal...yikes!
I'm surprised. I expected a big opening for Superman. I expected it not necessarily to break records, but to perform more strongly than X3. Maybe it will have great legs to make up for it's not so great opening pull.

[Carp Man]

X-Men is dropping 850 theaters starting Friday. 1,558.

[crappymovie]

That's a pretty disappointing number for SR, but I always expected it to preform like Batman Begins...and all signs are point to that (plus SR has the young demographic as well.) It may not reach the heights of X3, but it's a start.

Anyways, how much more do you think X3 will make? I think it has a good $10 million left for sure. :up:

[Carp Man]

That's a pretty disappointing number for SR, but I always expected it to preform like Batman Begins...and all signs are point to that (plus SR has the young demographic as well.) It may not reach the heights of X3, but it's a start.

Anyways, how much more do you think X3 will make? I think it has a good $10 million left for sure. :up:

Bout 235 domesticly. Would be a good #. Hard to gage overseas, because it still has to open in Japan and China, but I'll go out on a limb and say 240, for 475 total.

[Advanced Dark]

Hey Carpman though I love messing with the Superman trolls who "F" with us here...I have to admit Superman was a great film. It's not a non-stop action film it's more deep than that. To me it was pretty much as good as a Superman film can be. Singer pulled it off. I was messing around on the Supes boards before but in reality it was an enjoyable 2.5 hours.

9/10

This is good for the industry.

[Advanced Dark]

That's a pretty disappointing number for SR, but I always expected it to preform like Batman Begins...and all signs are point to that (plus SR has the young demographic as well.) It may not reach the heights of X3, but it's a start.

Anyways, how much more do you think X3 will make? I think it has a good $10 million left for sure. :up:


Superman should have a solid weekeend all the way through till POTC opens. It was smart to open 2 days earlier because they needed this money they're making right now. If Pirates was one more week away I'd say it would beat X3 at the box office.

[Iceman]

Superman should have a solid weekeend all the way through till POTC opens. It was smart to open 2 days earlier because they needed this money they're making right now. If Pirates was one more week away I'd say it would beat X3 at the box office.Yeah. The figure seems lower than I was expecting even compared to opening wednesdays for other big films. I was expecting it to at least beat War of the Worlds. If anyone had asked me a year ago I would have expected Supes' opening day to be right up there with the best. In fact X3's opening will probably be more impressive than SR although SR may have better legs (at least it would have if POTC2 wasn't round the corner :O)

[danoyse]

I think it will pick up Batman Begins-style as well. I saw the movie tonight (and catching it again at the IMAX this weekend), and it was terrific. :up:

[Hiruu]

I think it will pick up Batman Begins-style as well. I saw the movie tonight (and catching it again at the IMAX this weekend), and it was terrific. :up:

It looks like a good film, and a strong effort by Singer, but the coming competition, other than POTC2 is awfully tough. While I don't think think Devil wear Prada is worth the celluiod, it will sap a minor about of competition (no like a WoW rogue for the initiated, who know what I mean), but it might take away some of the adult crowd. Then 2 weeks after POTC2, there's Lady in the Water BY WB???? Then they launch Ant Bully???? WTF, they are screwing their own film from succeeding. These film are not going to Sap POTC2...that thing is a massive juggernaugt....supes is going to roast on the open flame. I'm not even going to talk about the international scene....Johnny Depp is HUGE, and when it comes to that Market, Star Power matters like heck, and with a proven commodity...forget it. I think this film threatens Spider-Man 3-day number...as much as that pains me....aaaahhhh Spidey III will be the redeemer!

[highguard]

it is kinda funny, all this situation around x-3. we all know fox is a cheap ass studio, but then they rush a movie to meet a deadline which costs them extra money and the movie earns less because the quality suffered. if they gave ratner more time like he asked the movie would feel more complete and it would be cheaper because they wouldn't have to rush the effects.
there are some really stupid people there at fox.


This is the thing, studios also have cycles, first quarter results and stuff like that. Those results affect the company's valuation and thus its stock price. When a studio is too dependent on a film series for its revenues there is no putting it off. I suspect that this is what is going on at fox. This is why they are churning the movies out.

These movies are surefire hits (look at what FF did after the critics savaged it). I think that as the company becomes more successful they will be under less pressure. However I want a movie in a trilogy every year so I say they should start filming the back to back movies as Singer wanted to do with X3 and X4. I still would want Ratner instead though, I honestly never quite was wowed with X1 or X2 even though X2 was definitely better.

[Angamb]

I can't understand this:

Spider-Man 3,876 Theaters
Spider-Man 2 4,166
Superman Returns 4,065

X-Men: The Last Stand 3,714 Theaters

The third film of a franchise like X-men had less than the Spiderman and Superman ones.

Really can't understand it.

You, and your money, Fox. :mad: :down :down :down

[Carp Man]

Always woundered that myself, why movies open at different amount of theaters. vvvvvvvvvvvvv You'd thimk they would all open at the same amount of theaters.

[Angamb]

the most important is why with the X-men there are always so many problems.

[danoyse]

It looks like a good film, and a strong effort by Singer, but the coming competition, other than POTC2 is awfully tough. While I don't think think Devil wear Prada is worth the celluiod, it will sap a minor about of competition (no like a WoW rogue for the initiated, who know what I mean), but it might take away some of the adult crowd. Then 2 weeks after POTC2, there's Lady in the Water BY WB???? Then they launch Ant Bully???? WTF, they are screwing their own film from succeeding. These film are not going to Sap POTC2...that thing is a massive juggernaugt....supes is going to roast on the open flame. I'm not even going to talk about the international scene....

Every trailer I saw before SR last night was for a WB movie, with the exception of the Spidey 3.

I think it's going to have some really harsh competition with POTC next week. It's a very good movie, but it's long...and not enough action sequences to sustain that running time. It was sold out, but the audience seemed pretty restless at times.

But I still hope it has legs. I felt like it was finally the Superman III that I've wanted to see for years, and Singer just did a terrific job with it. He even included a shot that I loved in the original films.

I did think I would leave SR with a lesser opinion of X3, and that wasn't the case at all. I'm still bummed that Fox chased Singer away...but I'm still very satisfied with X3. :up:

Johnny Depp is HUGE, and when it comes to that Market, Star Power matters like heck, and with a proven commodity...forget it. I think this film threatens Spider-Man 3-day number...as much as that pains me....aaaahhhh Spidey III will be the redeemer!

It will if POTC 2 pays off...which I hope it does!!!! :)

[PowersOfMind]

It looks like a good film, and a strong effort by Singer, but the coming competition, other than POTC2 is awfully tough. While I don't think think Devil wear Prada is worth the celluiod, it will sap a minor about of competition (no like a WoW rogue for the initiated, who know what I mean), but it might take away some of the adult crowd. Then 2 weeks after POTC2, there's Lady in the Water BY WB???? Then they launch Ant Bully???? WTF, they are screwing their own film from succeeding. These film are not going to Sap POTC2...that thing is a massive juggernaugt....supes is going to roast on the open flame. I'm not even going to talk about the international scene....Johnny Depp is HUGE, and when it comes to that Market, Star Power matters like heck, and with a proven commodity...forget it. I think this film threatens Spider-Man 3-day number...as much as that pains me....aaaahhhh Spidey III will be the redeemer!

I agree about POTC2 being a massive film... it appeals to so many. You have the kids, the people who loved the first one(me!), the Johnny Depp fans, the Orlando Bloom fans, the Keira Knightly fans. I dont know if it will shatter/threaten Spidey's record... that kinda hard to do but it does have the potential to do so.

[PowersOfMind]

I think it's going to have some really harsh competition with POTC next week. It's a very good movie, but it's long...and not enough action sequences to sustain that running time. It was sold out, but the audience seemed pretty restless at times.

But I still hope it has legs. I felt like it was finally the Superman III that I've wanted to see for years, and Singer just did a terrific job with it. He even included a shot that I loved in the original films.

I did think I would leave SR with a lesser opinion of X3, and that wasn't the case at all. I'm still bummed that Fox chased Singer away...but I'm still very satisfied with X3. :up: :)


I agree with you on this Danoyse. That was my one complaint with Supes. I thought it was a good movie overall but with such a long running time i found myself looking at my watch too many times. There was not enough action.

[crappymovie]

I agree with you on this Danoyse. That was my one complaint with Supes. I thought it was a good movie overall but with such a long running time i found myself looking at my watch too many times. There was not enough action.

I agree with you both. I really liked the movie, but it was a little too long with a few uneccessary scenes. For eg. the ending after the main action scenes were over, they could have cut out A LOT. I felt like there were a lot of moments where the film lost momentum...but I personally preferred it to X3. It just felt like you were watching...a quality epic you know? Although I appreciated how fast paced and action packed X3 was...Superman Returns seemed to just develop the characters and story better. Just my opinion. :O

So, when are the Friday numbers coming up?

[Carp Man]

OK. Thursdays #'s are in. Updated X-men, and SR #'s below.

[Advanced Dark]

X3 should have a boost up in theatres in a few weeks as it's added to many discount theatres before it's final trickle.

[phoenix_force]

wow superman did way less than i expected

[CapBeerCino]

Mojo - $381,059 for Wednesday taking the total to $226,089,043



Front page updated



You should go to the SR board and teach them how to make a B.O thread :up: :)

[Iceman]

You should go to the SR board and teach them how to make a B.O thread :p Thanks

It is a bit chaotic over there at the moment.


So $394,351 for Thursday with $226,483,394 domestic total. I wonder what X3 will make in SR's first weekend.

(Front page updated)

[Lil_Flip246]

Keep watching Xmen!!! Or else we'll never see an X4!!!!!!!!

[Carp Man]

:p Thanks

It is a bit chaotic over there at the moment.


So $394,351 for Thursday with $226,483,394 domestic total. I wonder what X3 will make in SR's first weekend.

(Front page updated)

And I'm over there in the mist supporting it. What BB did for the Batman franchise, SR will do for the Superman franchise, and that's a wining sitution for comics and the comic to movie industry. If it tanks, ripple effects will be felt for some time.

[Iceman]

And I'm over there in the mist supporting it. What BB did for the Batman franchise, SR will do for the Superman franchise, and that's a wining sitution for comics and the comic to movie industry. If it tanks, ripple effects will be felt for some time.Very true. It's best when fans support all good comic book movies to encourage filmmakers to continue making tham. :up:

[Carp Man]

Here is the weekly breakdown for X-Men :

Week 1 - $ 141,331,162
Week 2 - $ 44,834,912 - Down 68.2 %
Week 3 - $ 22,232,526 - Down 54.8 %
Week 4 - $ 11,265,612 - Down 49.5 %
Week 5 - $ 6,819,182 - Down 39.5 %

[phantom47]

i think its safe to say that X3 could do about 5-6 mil through this holiday weekend including monday...maybe more

[PoSeiDon]

Thats why I didnt have a problem with X-men 3's running. it hit you, kept going, and never stoped. while x2 dragged just a lil. people I have talked to who seen the movie(i wont) said it did feel a tad bit long and some got that "hurry up" feeling but it went away soon as things picked up again!