X3 Box Office Tracker

[Retroman]

Great. Un-freaking-believable. Well, I'm sad now.
*Mckellen voice* What have i done?!:O

[Retroman]

That's what I would hope at least. With Jackman not only the star but also a producer, you never know. We can dream......
Yeah *sighs*

[LEX]

*Mckellen voice* What have i done?!:O
It's okay, Retro. Not you.

Somehow, Fox just had to screw up the Wolverine spin-off years before it even starts shooting. Someone should just totally fire Tom Rothman. He is not fit to be in his position and has pissed off many CBM fans. It's gone too far.

[Aiden]

It's okay, Retro. Not you.

Somehow, Fox just had to screw up the Wolverine spin-off years before it even starts shooting. Someone should just totally KILL Tom Rothman. He is not fit to be in his position and has pissed off many CBM fans. It's gone too far.I think you may have made a mistake with that Lex. I fixed it for you :up: :D

[Retroman]

It's okay, Retro. Not you.
Oh, cool:o

Somehow, Fox just had to screw up the Wolverine spin-off years before it even starts shooting. Someone should just totally fire Tom Rothman. He is not fit to be in his position and has pissed off many CBM fans. It's gone too far.
I don't think Rothman was to blame for what happened on Alien 3. Someone else was in charge at the time.

[LEX]

I think you may have made a mistake with that Lex. I fixed it for you
Or that.
I don't think Rothman was to blame for what happened on Alien 3. Someone else was in charge at the time.
Ah,really? When did Rothman become head, anyway?

[Retroman]

Ah,really? When did Rothman become head, anyway?


From Tom-Rothman.com:

THOMAS ROTHMAN

CHAIRMAN
FOX FILMED ENTERTAINMENT


Tom Rothman has been Chairman of Fox Filmed Entertainment (the parent of Twentieth Century Fox) since 2000.

Mr. Rothman has long been recognized as one of the industry's foremost production executives and has been at Fox for over a decade. In 1999, he held the position of President of Twentieth Century Fox Film Group, presiding over the studio's TCF and Fox 2000 production divisions. Prior to that he was President of Production for Twentieth Century Fox for four years and, and in 1994, was the founder and first President of Fox Searchlight Pictures, the specialty division of FFE.

In 2004, Tom Rothman added to his list of accomplishments by contributing to The Movie Business Book 3rd edition. Rothman wrote a section titled "A Chairman's View," drawing on his experiences as chairman of Fox Filmed Entertainment. Together with his industry counterparts, Mr. Rothman gave readers a nitty-gritty, behind-the-scenes look at the movie industry and its many developments since the early ‘90s.

Included among the many enduring Fox films made during his production tenure are the acclaimed Moulin Rouge, Master and Commander, the X-Men series, Cast Away,
Minority Report, Ice Age, In America, Sideways and numerous other successful films ranging all the way from Napoleon Dynamite to Star Wars Episode 1, 2 & 3, and the number one grossing movie of all time: Titanic.

Fox's summer 2004 achieved an industry first with 6 films in a row having opening weekends exceeding $20 million. These hits include Man on Fire, The Day After Tomorrow, Garfield, DodgeBall, I,Robot and Alien vs. Predator. Under Mr. Rothman, Fox Filmed Entertainment just completed its third straight year of record breaking profits.

Prior to Fox, Mr. Rothman was President of Worldwide Production for the Samuel Goldwyn Company. During his tenure, that company's pictures won the Palme D'Or at Cannes three times and were nominated for over a dozen Academy Awards.

Previously, Mr. Rothman served as Executive Vice President of Production for Columbia Pictures. Prior to joining Columbia, Mr. Rothman was a partner at the New York entertainment law firm of Frankfurt, Garbus, Klein and Selz.

Mr. Rothman is currently an Emeritus member of the Board of Directors of the Sundance Institute and a director of the AFI. He is a recipient of the Arthur B. Krim Award for outstanding leadership in entertainment from Columbia University. He is an honors graduate of Brown University, Magna Cum Laude, Phi Beta Kappa and of Columbia Law School, as a James Kent Scholar.
Source: http://www.tom-rothman.com/

[LEX]

Ah,I see, I see. Six years being the head of Fox. Gosh. Fire him already.

(Took you only five minutes to get the info, eh, Retro? I knew you could be counted on. Fast like lightning. :up:)

[Jan Irisi]

Teehee....I sometimes imagine retro being like Jeannie. He crosses his arms in front of him and "blinks" and viola!!! There's the information.

[Aiden]

Teehee....I sometimes imagine retro being like Jeannie. He crosses his arms in front of him and "blinks" and viola!!! There's the information.What if he is Jean???

...:eek:

[phoenix_force]

What if he is Jean???

...:eek:
then he's gonna demolocularize us!

[LEX]

Teehee....I sometimes imagine retro being like Jeannie. He crosses his arms in front of him and "blinks" and viola!!! There's the information.
That made my day. :D
What if he is Jean???

...:eek:
then he's gonna demolocularize us!
...do you know who Jeannie is? Not Jean Grey. Jeannie.

[Retroman]

Ah,I see, I see. Six years being the head of Fox. Gosh. Fire him already.

(Took you only five minutes to get the info, eh, Retro? I knew you could be counted on. Fast like lightning. :up:)
*nods*:O

[phantom47]

Does anyone think Break UP might be number 1 and pull the upset?

[Retroman]

Teehee....I sometimes imagine retro being like Jeannie. He crosses his arms in front of him and "blinks" and viola!!! There's the information.What if he is Jean???

...:eek:then he's gonna demolocularize us!
LMAO:D :D

[LEX]

Does anyone think Break UP might be number 1 and pull the upset?
Sadly, I do. It's been advertised heavily over here. I'm sure it will take us by surprise and beat XMTLS.

[Aiden]

That made my day. :D


...do you know who Jeannie is? Not Jean Grey. Jeannie.oookay

;)

[LEX]

This is Jeannie:

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/i-dream-jeannie-c.jpg

:p

[chaseter]

Does anyone think Break UP might be number 1 and pull the upset?
I doubt it and certainly hope it doesn't.

[Jan Irisi]

oookay

;)


Yeah, Barbara Eden...no belly button showing star of a show from waaaaaaay back when.

[Aiden]

Does anyone think Break UP might be number 1 and pull the upset?No, I've not seen that much advertising over here. So no, I think X3 will still be top.

[Aiden]

This is Jeannie:

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/i-dream-jeannie-c.jpg

:p
Yeah, Barbara Eden...no belly button showing star of a show from waaaaaaay back when.I think I actually recognize her...Wasn't the show called "Dreaming of Jeanie" or something...

[LEX]

I think I actually recognize her...Wasn't the show called "Dreaming of Jeanie" or something...
I Dream Of Jeannie

[chaseter]

I think I actually recognize her...Wasn't the show called "Dreaming of Jeanie" or something...
I Dream of Jeanie.

[Aiden]

I Dream of Jeanie.That's the one. It used to get repeated in the UK on C4 with shows like Bewitched etc

[Retroman]

*twitches nose*

[Aiden]

*twitches nose**remembers the movie*

*cries*

[Retroman]

Is it that bad? I haven't seen it yet.

[LEX]

I liked it. Nothing Oscar-worthy, but I still did. Looks like I'm alone in this.

[lordofthenerds]

I liked it. Nothing Oscar-worthy, but I still did. Looks like I'm alone in this.
You like every movie. :p

[Retroman]

I liked it. Nothing Oscar-worthy, but I still did. Looks like I'm alone in this.
Until i've seen it yes.

[LEX]

You like every movie. :p
Hush, you. :o :p I didn't like The Pink Panther. There!

[Milkman95]

I doubt The Break Up will take #1, but it might be close.

If X3 drops 60% like I think it will, it will bring in around $38m or a little higher. I don't see The Break Up making that type of money opening weekend, but I guess you never know with today's audiences.

[chaseter]

Hush, you. :o :p I didn't like The Pink Panther. There!
Hey I liked that. Steve Martin was hilarious.:o

[Aiden]

Until i've seen it yes.I thought it was horrible and boring. But I love Will Ferrell...

*runs off to watch Old School*

[LEX]

Hey I liked that. Steve Martin was hilarious.:o
Well, I did like the part about him trying to say the word "hamburger" and him dancing with Jean Reno.

Beyonce was a turn-off for me, sorry.

[Jan Irisi]

I doubt The Break Up will take #1, but it might be close.

If X3 drops 60% like I think it will, it will bring in around $38m or a little higher. I don't see The Break Up making that type of money opening weekend, but I guess you never know with today's audiences.


Just going by what other films similar to TBU have done thus far this year, I don't see it making megabucks. I might be wrong, but.....I still see XMTLS being on top, just barely.

[chaseter]

Well, I did like the part about him trying to say the word "hamburger" and him dancing with Jean Reno.

Beyonce was a turn-off for me, sorry.
Yea Beyonce=Bad acting. But I got over it like I did in Goldmember. Thank goodness she was only in like 4-5 scenes in Pink Panther. And Aidne, Will Ferrel is awesome and I love every single movie that he graces. *Runs off to watch Anchorman.

[LEX]

Yea Beyonce=Bad acting. But I got over it like I did in Goldmember. Thank goodness she was only in like 4-5 scenes in Pink Panther. And Aidne, Will Ferrel is awesome and I love every single movie that he graces. *Runs off to watch Anchorman.
Yup. She should just stick with singing. Will Ferrell rocks my cowbells.

[tedw]

Friday pulled in about $10.15 million.

http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

[Advanced Dark]

The Break Up will win this weekend handily. X3 made 10.2 million on Friday, and The Break Up made over 15 million. X3 won't drop on Saturday and should go up now that the first day fanboy rush is out of the equation this week. We'll be lucky to hit 30 million. You have to figure though that the first week was so freaking HUGE that this was a possibility.

http://www.showbizdata.com

[Advanced Dark]

Friday pulled in about $10.15 million.

http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

Damn you! I started typing before you but I typed more enabling you to sneak in your post first. You're grounded! ;)

[antariksh]

Friday pulled in about $10.15 million.

http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

CRAP!!!

I knew it that "the break up" could end up being the # 1 movie this weekend considering my local theatre said that the business dropped 85% compared to last friday for X3.

WOW officially X3 is a BOMB!!!!

Man so this will be the first x-men movie to not remain #1 for two weeks.

FOX should be ashamed of themselves.

I think guys the media is definitely going to TEAR X3 into shreds by calling it a DUD on its second weekend.

I am ashamed of being an x-men fan.

I think people are right about this movie getting BAD word of mouth.

I mean first Ice age 2 now X3 both dropped MORE than expected on their second weekend.

[Retroman]

Friday pulled in about $10.15 million.

http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm
Thats not bad. Thanks

[Advanced Dark]

CRAP!!!

I knew it that "the break up" could end up being the # 1 movie this weekend considering my local theatre said that the business dropped 85% compared to last friday for X3.

WOW officially X3 is a BOMB!!!!


Man so this will be the first x-men movie to not remain #1 for two weeks.

FOX should be ashamed of themselves.

Yeah it's a bomb that's pulled in 250 million worldwide in 7 days domestic and only including 3 day international take 25-30 million in it's second week is not a bomb especially with a first weekend total of 104 million. It also made more money than the first two x-men films in 4 days than they made in 2 weeks so go back to Harry Knowles and see if he has any more messages for you to spread.

[liamoversion2]

Thats not bad. Thanks


Consider the possibility that many X-fans aren't going back for repeat viewings... Not everyone was satisfied the with movie... This wasn't as much the case with X2 so it was more of a slow burner...

[LEX]

Figures.

Thanks, Ted.

[Advanced Dark]

^ It'll still surpass X2's figures with ease.

[liamoversion2]

Yeah it's a bomb that's pulled in 250 million worldwide in 7 days domestic and only including 3 day international take 25-30 million in it's second week is not a bomb especially with a first weekend total of 104 million. It also made more money than the first two x-men films in 4 days than they made in 2 weeks so go back to Harry Knowles and see if he has any more messages for you to spread.

relax dude

[Advanced Dark]

I'm off my meds...I can't. ;)

[Retroman]

Consider the possibility that many X-fans aren't going back for repeat viewings... Not everyone was satisfied the with movie... This wasn't as much the case with X2 so it was more of a slow burner...
True.

[danoyse]

CRAP!!!

I knew it that "the break up" could end up being the # 1 movie this weekend considering my local theatre said that the business dropped 85% compared to last friday for X3.

WOW officially X3 is a BOMB!!!!

Man so this will be the first x-men movie to not remain #1 for two weeks.

FOX should be ashamed of themselves.

I think guys the media is definitely going to TEAR X3 into shreds by calling it a DUD on its second weekend.

I am ashamed of being an x-men fan.

I think people are right about this movie getting BAD word of mouth.

I mean first Ice age 2 now X3 both dropped MORE than expected on their second weekend.


Oh, please. :rolleyes:

[Retroman]

^ It'll still surpass X2's figures with ease.
Yes, it would have to after all the money they spent on promoting this. I've never seen a movie release so much footage before.

[chaseter]

CRAP!!!
I am ashamed of being an x-men fan.

Then leave....:mad:

[Advanced Dark]

^ It's a double edged sword. Ratner and Fox wanted to prove this was a film giving the fans the scenes they wanted to draw crowds in at the same time it gave us too much, spoiled us too much, and there were few surprises...

Still it's my favorite chapters of this first trilogy and fits in nicely.

[Jan Irisi]

Yes, it would have to after all the money they spent on promoting this. I've never seen a movie release so much footage before.

Actually, if I remember correctly, X2 had an edge over this one. I mean that thing was all over the place. It had clips and pictures all over the place.

[antariksh]

I mean honestly I don't understand why can't WE ALL GO AND WATCH X3 TODAY and TOMMORROW and help it gross atleast $30 million.

But still that is a PAINFUL 70% drop.

I mean what do u FANS want?? Do u want an X4 or NOT. At this rate we won't get an X4. And it serves all you FANS right for not supporting the movie for atleast two weeks. Fox is doing a good job by not making a sequel.

Those people who are claiming that they have watched X3 , 3 or 4 times are lying.

I went to watch yesterday and i can tell u the theatre i was in had only 10 people!!!!!!!!!!!!

[J.Howlett]

The film is not a bomb but it's going to have a 65 to 70% drop this weekend. That's pretty huge.

It'll pass X2 but barely....maybe pass it by 10 to 15 million domestically. Not quite the number Fox was hoping for.

[Hiruu]

The drop is a little more steep then i expected...I thought maybe 70%, but it's going to skrink since the movie drop from Friday to Saturday last week, AND this saturday is probably going to be bigger than Friday. Good number though, as we're looking at another $30+ weekend and $250 is a REAL good possibility. Worldwide is probably going to be even better for over $1/2 bln...oh...what a failure!

[Advanced Dark]

Then leave....:mad:

Exactly. I'm actually ashamed of being in a forum with people like that.

[Advanced Dark]

The drop is a little more steep then i expected...I thought maybe 70%, but it's going to skrink since the movie drop from Friday to Saturday last week, AND this saturday is probably going to be bigger than Friday. Good number though, as we're looking at another $30+ weekend and $250 is a REAL good possibility. Worldwide is probably going to be even better for over $1/2 bln...oh...what a failure!

It'll need to make 13 million on Saturday or damn close to it to hit 30 million.

[danoyse]

Actually, if I remember correctly, X2 had an edge over this one. I mean that thing was all over the place. It had clips and pictures all over the place.

I actually saw the trailer for X2 on the jumbotron screen at Yankee Stadium two days before the movie was released. It was everywhere.

[KenK]

Man so this will be the first x-men movie to not remain #1 for two weeks.

The first X-Men lost number one its second week to What Lies Beneath.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm a good girl, so I won't say I told you so.

Did anyone really believe this movie wouldn't drop hard, I mean honestly.

[liamoversion2]

^ It's a double edged sword. Ratner and Fox wanted to prove this was a film giving the fans the scenes they wanted to draw crowds in at the same time it gave us too much, spoiled us too much, and there were few surprises...

Still it's my favorite chapters of this first trilogy and fits in nicely.


How many surprises could we have expected really in 95 minutes? Especially after seeing about 20 clips + trailers

[chaseter]

Exactly. I'm actually ashamed of being in a forum with people like that.
I am too...I am sick and tired of all these crazy rants and people saying stuff like that. Some have gone off the deep end and seriously need to lighten up.

[Hiruu]

It'll need to make 13 million on Saturday or damn close to it to hit 30 million.

Yeah, I think it'll get some thing close to $12-14 for Saturday.

Some people have "funky" perceptions...as the same thing happened with the friday drop for Fantastic Four...but the weekend balanced itself out. Xmen is well on the way to making $250, and I think well see a much milder drop next weekend, and the weekday numbers this week support that train of thought.

[Retroman]

Actually, if I remember correctly, X2 had an edge over this one. I mean that thing was all over the place. It had clips and pictures all over the place.
Maybe its just me but it seems like much more than X2 to me.All the tv spots, specials etc etc. Fox went all out on this one.

[danoyse]

I mean honestly I don't understand why can't WE ALL GO AND WATCH X3 TODAY and TOMMORROW and help it gross atleast $30 million.

But still that is a PAINFUL 70% drop.

I mean what do u FANS want?? Do u want an X4 or NOT. At this rate we won't get an X4. And it serves all you FANS right for not supporting the movie for atleast two weeks. Fox is doing a good job by not making a sequel.

Those people who are claiming that they have watched X3 , 3 or 4 times are lying.

I went to watch yesterday and i can tell u the theatre i was in had only 10 people!!!!!!!!!!!!


What is it with you and the posts of doom? :confused:

It's gonna do what it's gonna do. I've seen it twice, I'm hoping to catch it again this weekend...and I know I have a few friends who still haven't seen it yet and going to see it this week.

If it's not #1, so be it. It's already made a bloody fortune, and will continue to do so on DVD, especially if they release more than one.

Don't worry about it. :up:

[Retroman]

^ It's a double edged sword. Ratner and Fox wanted to prove this was a film giving the fans the scenes they wanted to draw crowds in at the same time it gave us too much, spoiled us too much, and there were few surprises...

Still it's my favorite chapters of this first trilogy and fits in nicely.
Yes there were a few but it's more how it happened not if it would happen.

[Hiruu]

The first X-Men lost number one its second week to What Lies Beneath.

I know right...there are ALOT of sites for ppl to ACTUALLY check their claims b4 making them...but that's probably too much work.

[skorponok]

CRAP!!!

I knew it that "the break up" could end up being the # 1 movie this weekend considering my local theatre said that the business dropped 85% compared to last friday for X3.

WOW officially X3 is a BOMB!!!!

Man so this will be the first x-men movie to not remain #1 for two weeks.

FOX should be ashamed of themselves.

I think guys the media is definitely going to TEAR X3 into shreds by calling it a DUD on its second weekend.

I am ashamed of being an x-men fan.

I think people are right about this movie getting BAD word of mouth.

I mean first Ice age 2 now X3 both dropped MORE than expected on their second weekend.

WORST.SHH.POST.EVER

[chaseter]

WORST.SHH.POST.EVER
I absolutely agree...I qouted him when he said that he is ashamed of being an X-Men fan and I told him to leave then.

[antariksh]

LOL guys I am still a FAN of X3 but I am just ashamed of my comic book because i have freinds who are fans of superman.

They are going to make fun of me and X3 because i told them that X3 will not drop more than 60% on its second weekend and that it will remain # 1 movie on second weekend.

Tell me what should i do??? :(

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Oh come on X3 fans! this movie is dead in the water, it's a huge hit, but it's still dead in the water. A 77% friday to friday drop is not good. The movie will, at best, drop 65% over the weekend and when Cars opens it will probably have another mid 50's drop.

It's not going to have legs.

Fantasic Four had a 69% friday to friday and dropped 59% over the weekend.

[antariksh]

Instead of fighting here and bashing each other can't we all NOT go and watch X3 instead???

[antariksh]

Oh come on X3 fans! this movie is dead in the water, it's a huge hit, but it's still dead in the water. A 77% friday to friday drop is not good. The movie will, at best, drop 65% over the weekend and when Cars opens is will probably have another mid 50's drop.

It's not going to have legs.

Fantasic Four had a 69% friday to friday and dropped 59% over the weekend.

exactly that is what i mean. LETS ALL GO AND WATCH X3 instead of wasting our time on these forums.

[danoyse]

Instead of fighting here and bashing each other can't we all NOT go and watch X3 instead???

You seem to be the one freaking out around here...

[chaseter]

LOL guys I am still a FAN of X3 but I am just ashamed of my comic book because i have freinds who are fans of superman.

They are going to make fun of me and X3 because i told them that X3 will not drop more than 60% on its second weekend and that it will remain # 1 movie on second weekend.

Tell me what should i do??? :(
X3 will kick the living s*** out of the box office number of SR. Pirates of the Caribbean will tear into SR's numbers. It won't make near as much as X3.

[phantom47]

I just want to start off saying that im a X3 fan above the rest...it was my favorite of the bunch.

But lets talk numbers here

X2 cost 110 which ended making about 215 mil
X3 cost 210 mil which is projected to make about 250 mil (35 mil more than X2)

This saved the company 100 mil causing about 105+/- profit for X2

X2 made 12.5 mil in its second friday while X 3 mad 10.3

X2 opened with 86
X3 opened with 104

Overall X3 might have made a larger impact in the beggining but X2 profited about 105 mil domestically and add in international and DVD sales

X3 will probably make around 250 which would be a 40 mil profit domestically....i believe X3 will make more internationally

[crappymovie]

X3 will kick the living s*** out of the box office number of SR. Pirates of the Caribbean will tear into SR's numbers. It won't make near as much as X3.

Batman Begins had a lot of competition during the summer. But because it was a quality movie, it kept have low percentage drops. If Superman Returns is a good QUALITY movie (as in, the movie has a story) it should play well through the summer. X3 has probably made more then 50% of it's gross already. The drop this weekend will at best be 65%....and then even greater next weekend when Cars opens...

[danoyse]

If Superman Returns is a good QUALITY movie (as in, the movie has a story) it should play well through the summer.

Yeah, it's not like it has a Pirates of the Carribean sequel to compete with or anything a week later.

X3 has probably made more then 50% of it's gross already. The drop this weekend will at best be 65%....and then even greater next weekend when Cars opens...

Because X3 hasn't made any money at all yet...

[phantom47]

BTW I have seen this 4 tmes already including last night

[TheVileOne]

X2 opened with 86
X3 opened with 123

Umm no. That was a THREE day opening for X-men 2. You listed the 4 day for X-men 3.

And X-men 2's dropoff in the second weekend wasn't as bad or embarrassing as X-men 3.

X3 will probably make around 250 which would be a 40 mil profit domestically....i believe X3 will make more internationally

That's not all exactly pure profit. That $250 million doesn't all go back to the studio FYI.

[antariksh]

Batman Begins had a lot of competition during the summer. But because it was a quality movie, it kept have low percentage drops. If Superman Returns is a good QUALITY movie (as in, the movie has a story) it should play well through the summer. X3 has probably made more then 50% of it's gross already. The drop this weekend will at best be 65%....and then even greater next weekend when Cars opens...

I have just the solution to DESTROY superman returns.

I am going to jinx superman returns.

[phantom47]

Yeah I agree Superman might be a better quality film, but it has POTC to compete with which will cause for a slower increase in sales.....and if POTC is a good film people will forget about superman

[danoyse]

I have just the solution to DESTROY superman returns.

I am going to jinx superman returns.

I want to see Superman Returns. :O

[lordofthenerds]

I have just the solution to DESTROY superman returns.

I am going to jinx superman returns.
Not before I burn the film. :cool:

[phantom47]

Umm no. That was a THREE day opening for X-men 2. You listed the 4 day for X-men 3.

And X-men 2's dropoff in the second weekend wasn't as bad or embarrassing as X-men 3.



That's not all exactly pure profit. That $250 million doesn't all go back to the studio FYI.ohh yeah sorry i mean 104 mil, the drop is a lot bigger because X3 opened bigger that X2 so the 77 seems large...it will balance out at 65

[Retroman]

I have just the solution to DESTROY superman returns.

I am going to jinx superman returns.
Why so negative about everything?:confused: :confused:

[J.Howlett]

No matter how you look at it, this drop is not good for The Last Stand's legs.

Because of how much it cost to make, barely making 250 million domestically(if it even makes that) is not what Fox wanted.

[chaseter]

I still stick with these guesses at summer box office turnout:

1.Pirates
2.X3
3.Superman Returns

[Retroman]

Superman has IMAX on it's side plus its coming out days earlier. I think it will do better than X3.

[TheVileOne]

No matter how you look at it, this drop is not good for The Last Stand's legs.

Because of how much it cost to make, barely making 250 million domestically(if it even makes that) is not what Fox wanted.

The Last Stand has no legs to speak of.

[danoyse]

The Last Stand has no legs to speak of.

That's because it already ran off with enough money last weekend to not be as terribly concerned with however it drops this weekend.

[PhoenixWillRise]

Has everyone fogotten that the reason X3 has had such a big drop is because it opened on a holiday weekend!!! A normal movie opening on a holiday weekend usually drops about 60% on it;s 2nd weekend, and since X3 is obviously a sequel and was frontloaded, and 65% drop was what EVERYONE expected.... no one expected it to drop less than 60% anyway!

Also, the 77% drop from Friday to Friday is because $8 million from last Friday was actually from the Thursday night previews... it's "actual" Friday take would only of been about $37 million last week if you took away to Thursday night showings, so the drop from $37 million to $10 million is not as bad as you think... also.. on it;s first weekend it dropped from Friday to SAturday... watch it rise at least 25-30% this Saturday...

The weekend estimate still holds at about $35 million, so that's still fine and puts the movie at almost $180 domestically!

[TheVileOne]

Has everyone fogotten that the reason X3 has had such a big drop is because it opened on a holiday weekend!!! A normal movie opening on a holiday weekend usually drops about 60% on it;s 2nd weekend, and since X3 is obviously a sequel and was frontloaded, and 65% drop was what EVERYONE expected.... no one expected it to drop less than 60% anyway!

Yes people were. People were hoping for the movie to break over $200 million this weekend.

[GL's Light]

Crap. The worst case scenario I outlined for X3's second weekend is playing out. We're probably looking at $ 31-33 million for this weekend, which would be a drop of 68-70%. X3 could have a Hulk-size multiplier and end up at $ 215 million domestic, about the same as X2. Hopefully its weekend drops will stabilize and allow it to gain a little more ground.

[TheVileOne]

That's because it already ran off with enough money last weekend to not be as terribly concerned with however it drops this weekend.

And that's the point.

Well I guess we'll just see how the other super hero movie performs.

[invincible mann]

ok i ll bite thevileone
what other super hero movie opens this weekend?

[Advanced Dark]

^ He was making a point. There is none.

[Advanced Dark]

Mojo's #'s are a tad better with 10.4 million on Friday for X3, and just over 13 for Break up.

[THOR]

This movie was doomed as far as legs with the Saturday take being down over 20% from Friday's opening. X2 went up 2% on Saturday and had a bigger second weekend then X3. This movie will now struggle to get to 215 million domestic figure of X2. That's why Fox wisely did not immediatley greenlight X4. They knew as well that this movie would not last past the opening weekend. Yet again all you need to do is watch the opening Saturday take of a movie to see if it will do well over the long run or not. If it goes up from Friday...long run, if it goes down, short run. Very simple to predict.

[THOR]

Here is the post I made about FF back in July last year: Hmmmm.....Deja Vue......


"Fantastic Four will not make more than $140 million domestic. As someone who has followed box office numbers for a long time you can easily gauge the numbers by the first Saturday take of a movie, if it opened on Friday. This movie actually dropped on the Saturday, instead of increasing over Fridays numbers. That is a kiss of death for legs on any movie. Take a look at Hulk's box office. It followed the same pattern: $62 million opening, $132 total. It also dropped off on Saturday.

I will be helping the take on Monday as I have yet to see the film, and I am hoping for a good movie. Lets hope it gets to $150 million so there can be a sequel. "

Looks like we will get a low budget Wolverine movie now. Hopefully an R rated one with some blood....:)

[mr jinx]

Here is the post I made about FF back in July last year: Hmmmm.....Deja Vue......


"Fantastic Four will not make more than $140 million domestic. As someone who has followed box office numbers for a long time you can easily gauge the numbers by the first Saturday take of a movie, if it opened on Friday. This movie actually dropped on the Saturday, instead of increasing over Fridays numbers. That is a kiss of death for legs on any movie. Take a look at Hulk's box office. It followed the same pattern: $62 million opening, $132 total. It also dropped off on Saturday.

I will be helping the take on Monday as I have yet to see the film, and I am hoping for a good movie. Lets hope it gets to $150 million so there can be a sequel. "

Looks like we will get a low budget Wolverine movie now. Hopefully an R rated one with some blood....:)


i dont understand your reasoning. not to be rude, but you were wrong last year, as F4 DID make more than $140 million. so by "deja vu" are you saying we should discount you again this year?

[CaptainStacy]

So i just went and looked at Box office Mojo, and they report that X3 has made $236,404, 662 worldwide...in just eight days.

It's second weekend totals arent even complete yet....and some of you are STILL trying to say it has somehow FAILED?

Heh, yeah. Good luck with that.

[Aiden]

So i just went and looked at Box office Mojo, and they report that X3 has made $236,404, 662 worldwide...in just eight days.

It's second weekend totals arent even complete yet....and some of you are STILL trying to say it has somehow FAILED?

Heh, yeah. Good luck with that.:up: Nice

[GL's Light]

Leonard Klady at MCN has the estimates as $ 14.1 million for The Break-Up and $ 10.6 million for X3. Hopefully the actuals for Friday, Saturday and Sunday will be good enough to edge the weekend up to $ 35 million.

[RangerKing]

It took roughly $150,000,000 to make, It has surpassed that worldwide in a week. Now if the daily gross continues to be what it is now, it will either make #1 again with a large decrease or #2. Either one is a pretty good pace and most movies I see, drop a lot after the first weekend.

[Kurosawa]

Crap. The worst case scenario I outlined for X3's second weekend is playing out. We're probably looking at $ 31-33 million for this weekend, which would be a drop of 68-70%. X3 could have a Hulk-size multiplier and end up at $ 215 million domestic, about the same as X2. Hopefully its weekend drops will stabilize and allow it to gain a little more ground.

I'm loving it. Drop, baby, drop.

Next time respect the source material, *******s.

[Kurosawa]

CRAP!!!

I knew it that "the break up" could end up being the # 1 movie this weekend considering my local theatre said that the business dropped 85% compared to last friday for X3.

WOW officially X3 is a BOMB!!!!

Man so this will be the first x-men movie to not remain #1 for two weeks.

FOX should be ashamed of themselves.

I think guys the media is definitely going to TEAR X3 into shreds by calling it a DUD on its second weekend.

I am ashamed of being an x-men fan.

I think people are right about this movie getting BAD word of mouth.

I mean first Ice age 2 now X3 both dropped MORE than expected on their second weekend.

I don't want an X4. I want a reboot that is actually about the team, not the

WOLVERINE
and his little mutie sidekicks

series that FOX made.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Only the Sith deal in absolutes people. Only the Sith....:cool:

[TNC9852002]

:rolleyes:

-TNC

[danoyse]

I'm loving it. Drop, baby, drop.

If it's going to drop, it's already got a long way to fall. :)

[liamoversion2]

It's getting far far harder to deceive people these days than it used to be (not that that's in any way a bad thing). With the Internet, there's very little information that people cannot access within thirty seconds. Remember there are many more people who view sites like this than just those who are registered and those who post. Not only that, but the impact that sites like this have now is huge, because people come on, read what people are saying... this in turn can sway their opinions and then they take those opinions out into the world with them...

It's been said before, but X3 has pretty much split this board down the middle... and a lot of people (myself included) have been tearing it apart... not for any reason other than that I'm disgusted with the result and I don't see any logical reason to support what I consider to be a very poorly made film.

X2 continued to do well because at the time of its release everyone was pretty much unanymous that it was a great film.

For has not considered this... they obviously think it's ok to make less than mediocre movies, market the s**t out of them, and still make tonnes of cash... that's called pulling a fast one. And it doesn't work nearly as well as it used to because the Internet has brought people so much closer... there are far fewer secrets. If a movie sucks, a movie sucks... word of mouth is ten times strong now than it was even five years ago.

For instance, every single person I know going to see the movie knew about the scene after the credits (every time I think about that scene I actually roll my eyes... such crap). Another example is the leaked script. Such a thing wouldn't have really affected a movie seven or eight years ago... but thanks to the Internet, the truth was blasted everywhere. We were placated by promises that the script was changed, but it really wasn't at all.

Also, it's international take is considerably weak and from what I can tell the consensus about the movie outside the states is that it's average at best. What goes around comes around!

[Kurosawa]

It's getting far far harder to deceive people these days than it used to be (not that that's in any way a bad thing). With the Internet, there's very little information that people cannot access within thirty seconds. Remember there are many more people who view sites like this than just those who are registered and those who post. Not only that, but the impact that sites like this have now is huge, because people come on, read what people are saying... this in turn can sway their opinions and then they take those opinions out into the world with them...

It's been said before, but X3 has pretty much split this board down the middle... and a lot of people (myself included) have been tearing it apart... not for any reason other than that I'm disgusted with the result and I don't see any logical reason to support what I consider to be a very poorly made film.

X2 continued to do well because at the time of it's release everyone was pretty much unanymous that it was a great film.

For has not considered this... they obviously think it's ok to make less than mediocre movies, market the s**t out of them, and still make tonnes of cash... that's called pulling a fast one. And it doesn't work nearly as well as it used to because the Internet has brought people so much closer... there are far fewer secrets. If a movie sucks, a movie sucks... word of mouth is ten times strong now than it was even five years ago.

For instance, every single person I know going to see the movie knew about the scene after the credits (every time I think about that scene I actually roll my eyes... such crap). Another example is the leaked script. Such a thing wouldn't have really affected a movie seven or eight years ago... but thanks to the Internet, the truth was blasted everywhere. We were placated by promises that the script was changed, but it really wasn't at all.

Also, it's international take is considerably weak and from what I can tell the consensus about the movie outside the states is that it's average at best. What goes around comes around!

Exactly. They got one big weekend out of marketing and that's it.

[danoyse]

Exactly. They got one big weekend out of marketing and that's it.

Uh-huh. Then the DVD, and TV revenue....

[ShakiraRocks]

Wow, X3 will only be one week at number one!

How many weeks were the other movies at number 1?

[Kurosawa]

Uh-huh. Then the DVD, and TV revenue....

Lots of suckers out there, no doubt about that.

[danoyse]

Lots of suckers out there, no doubt about that.

Sure are. :up:

[liamoversion2]

Lots of suckers out there, no doubt about that.


Yeah I know, you can actually see them going to buy the dvd-o-crap now with giddy smiles.

[Kurosawa]

Yeah I know, you can actually see them going to buy the dvd-o-crap now with giddy smiles.

Yeah. Idiots.

[antariksh]

I'm loving it. Drop, baby, drop.

Next time respect the source material, *******s.

Go to hell!!!

Bryan singer never sticked to the source material so why cursing X3. Just because it was directed by Brett Ratner.

Meh... u fans are unpredictable.

Go support X3 else SUFFER. We will get a CHEAP ASS wolverine movie (which I know you guys don't want a CHEAP wolverine movie) and we won't get an X4 if it doesn't do well at domestic boxoffice.

Thanks to FANS for not supporting it.

I just came back from the movies. And there were only 40 people in the theatre.

We can bounce back to #1 this saturday and sunday if we go to theatres and watch it atleast ONE more time.

[antariksh]

I don't want an X4. I want a reboot that is actually about the team, not the

WOLVERINE
and his little mutie sidekicks

series that FOX made.

Don't balme FOX blame BRYAN SINGER.

That ******* is responsible for the destruction of the franchise.

Brett Ratner was just trying to follow what Bryan did. Bryan focused more on wolverine so Brett did that too.

[Jan Irisi]

Go to hell!!!

Bryan singer never sticked to the source material so why cursing X3. Just because it was directed by Brett Ratner.

Meh... u fans are unpredictable.

Go support X3 else SUFFER. We will get a CHEAP ASS wolverine movie (which I know you guys don't want a CHEAP wolverine movie) and we won't get an X4 if it doesn't do well at domestic boxoffice.

Thanks to FANS for not supporting it.

I just came back from the movies. And there were only 40 people in the theatre.

We can bounce back to #1 this saturday and sunday if we go to theatres and watch it atleast ONE more time.


No, kurosawa does not want a Wolverine movie, because he blames Wolverine for everything from global warming to the common cold. He hates Wolverine, and Wolverine fans, so........

[antariksh]

Yeah. Idiots.

Those who buy DVD's are true fans not like u .

[Aiden]

No, kurosawa does not want a Wolverine movie, because he blames Wolverine for everything from global warming to the common cold. He hates Wolverine, and Wolverine fans, so........Wolverine killed my Aunt :(

[THOR]

i dont understand your reasoning. not to be rude, but you were wrong last year, as F4 DID make more than $140 million. so by "deja vu" are you saying we should discount you again this year?


Ummm...I was right on the money last year, as I was last week...... FF only limped to 154M domestic.....and X3 is dropping 65-70% as I predicted last week as well. So yes perhaps you should listen to me when I say that the first Saturday is the only day to look at for legs on a movie. This is the reason X4 was not greenlit as well. This movie cost 210M to make....that number looks about what it will make back domestically. I just saw the movie again and the theatre had 20 people in it....not a good sign.

[antariksh]

FOR GODE SAKE X3 COSTED $165 million to make NOT $210 million. If u believe in boxofficemojo.com then you know what when Superman returns budget is posted on that site and if it doesn't make enough money i will make fun of that movie.

[BMM]

Is the 210 including marketing?

[Aiden]

Is the 210 including marketing?Yeah

[BMM]

Okay, thanks.

[Aiden]

Okay, thanks.No problemo

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

I dont know why some people keep saying the movie is doing terrible. The movie has over 150 million and it has been open for just over a week, thats more than some movies will ever make period.
-Another thing, I love how they are saying The Breakup is doing so well when I'm guessing that movie might not even hit anywhere near the 100 million mark.

[Jan Irisi]

Wolverine killed my Aunt :(


That bastard!! :mad:

[Aiden]

That bastard!! :mad:I know. He shall pay.

*puts Daredevil mask on*
I dont know why some people keep saying the movie is doing terrible. The movie has over 150 million and it has been open for just over a week, thats more than some movies make period.lol, I know

[danoyse]

Wolverine killed my Aunt :(

He stole my puppy. :(

[ultimatefan]

Yeah
No, it´s only the production budget. Studios aren´t letting out the marketing costs these days.

Well, Mr Rothman, looks like your punishment has arrived... This is no ordinary drop, it´s a Hulk-like one... Your movie had a huge potential at the BO, could have been a true smash... But because you hurried it and made it choppy and unfinished, it failed to live to that potential and the audience has realized and you burned out what could have been a gold mine for years to come. If I were a Fox stockholder, I´d demand your resignation.

And I couldn´t care less if Singer was a little more or less faithful than Ratner... He made better movies, period.

[Jan Irisi]

He stole my puppy. :(

He peed in my neighbor's flower garden. :(

(her roses are doing wonderful, but that's beside the point)

[danoyse]

He peed in my neighbor's flower garden. :(

(her roses are doing wonderful, but that's beside the point)

LOL!

I guess that means he's the one whole took all the beer out of my fridge. :(

[Aiden]

No, it´s only the production budget. Studios aren´t letting out the marketing costs these days.

Well, Mr Rothman, looks like your punishment has arrived... This is no ordinary drop, it´s a Hulk-like one... Your movie had a huge potential at the BO, could have been a true smash... But because you hurried it and made it choppy and unfinished, it failed to live to that potential and the audience has realized and you burned out what could have been a gold mine for years to come. If I were a Fox stockholder, I´d demand your resignation.

And I couldn´t care less if Singer was a little more or less faithful than Ratner... He made better movies, period.The overall cost is 210

Production was 160

[Aiden]

LOL!

I guess that means he's the one whole took all the beer out of my fridge. :(emm...

*runs and hide*

[Storm22]

Only the Sith deal in absolutes people. Only the Sith....:cool:

Haha, nice!:up:

[ultimatefan]

The overall cost is 210

Production was 160
According to www.boxofficemojo.com, the production budget is 210m. marketing cost is not available.

[Jan Irisi]

According to www.boxofficemojo.com, the production budget is 210m. marketing cost is not available.

This has been discussed already. BOM combines the two costs together.

[ultimatefan]

This has been discussed already. BOM combines the two costs together.
Not that I know of. They used to show both costs, then at some point more and more studios were not displaying the marketing costs, so much that some movies had production budget but marketing costs were listed as non-available. Now no studios report the marketing costs, so they removed the space dedicated to them. If both costs were combined, the site should specify.

[Jan Irisi]

Look back in the thread a few pages. Many different sources have been cited and each says that the 210 is the combined total.

[Pickle-El]

This has been discussed already. BOM combines the two costs together.

That's not true. Look at the FF costs....and X2 costs...the Spiderman costs.

Either way, I don't think BOM is entirely accurate. And I doubt the budget was that high for X3.

[danoyse]

Well, Mr Rothman, looks like your punishment has arrived... This is no ordinary drop, it´s a Hulk-like one... Your movie had a huge potential at the BO, could have been a true smash... But because you hurried it and made it choppy and unfinished, it failed to live to that potential and the audience has realized and you burned out what could have been a gold mine for years to come. If I were a Fox stockholder, I´d demand your resignation.

Are you honestly expecting some sort of apology for all this?

From where I work (a Fox rival), no one's going to be hanging their heads in shame if the movie is #2 this weekend. They're going to be all about the big opening weekend, the subsequent grosses it makes from here on in domestically and worldwide...and eventually the DVD and TV revenue.

The percentage drop doesn't show up in the stockholder report. The final profits do, and there will be plenty to keep the stockholders happy.

[Jan Irisi]

That's not true. Look at the FF costs....and X2 costs...the Spiderman costs.

Either way, I don't think BOM is entirely accurate. And I doubt the budget was that high for X3.


Yeah, all the other sources that were cited said 160-165 with 50 million for marketing. Total=210 million.

[Aiden]

The only thing thats for certain was that the budget was raised when Ratner came on board

[danoyse]

Either way, I don't think BOM is entirely accurate. And I doubt the budget was that high for X3.

Actually, I've heard that BOM isn't as accurate a box office tracker as it appears.

(I have no actual backup for that...but an industry friend did say that once, so who knows?)

And I don't think any studio is going to publicly release the exact amount they spent on a movie.

[ultimatefan]

Are you honestly expecting some sort of apology for all this?

From where I work (a Fox rival), no one's going to be hanging their heads in shame if the movie is #2 this weekend. They're going to be all about the big opening weekend, the subsequent grosses it makes from here on in domestically and worldwide...and eventually the DVD and TV revenue.

The percentage drop doesn't show up in the stockholder report. The final profits do, and there will be plenty to keep the stockholders happy.
The profits will be much smaller than they potentially could be, from that opening, because the movie has weak word of mouth and no legs.

[Cmill216]

Wow, just saw the Friday numbers. That's a huge flippin' dropoff. :eek:

[ultimatefan]

Look back in the thread a few pages. Many different sources have been cited and each says that the 210 is the combined total.
I went back five pages and didn´t find it. Where is it?

[danoyse]

The profits will be much smaller than they potentially could be, from that opening, because the movie has weak word of mouth and no legs.

But they're already huge. Trust me, it doesn't matter.

[ultimatefan]

But they're already huge. Trust me, it doesn't matter.
For the studio, it matters. A LOT. These movies are the tentpoles, you don´t want a movie to have a huge record-breaking opening to then turn out average numbers in the final BO. It means the movie´s not fullfilling its potential, even if it´s profitable (and most movies are profitable when all income is accounted). This is what is known as a disappointment.

[cheungcheung]

i hope x3 does not reach x2's domestic gross...

stupid FOX. :mad:

[antariksh]

i hope x3 does not reach x2's domestic gross...

stupid FOX. :mad:

AT THIS RATE IT WILL!!!

SO go to a theatre and watch it again.

I want an X4 dammit!!!!!!!! and a kick ass wolverine movie but since X3 won't be that much profitable at boxoffice FOX will make a CHEAP ASS wolverine movie and we will never get an X4.

[danoyse]

For the studio, it matters. A LOT. These movies are the tentpoles, you don´t want a movie to have a huge record-breaking opening to then turn out average numbers in the final BO. It means the movie´s not fullfilling its potential, even if it´s profitable (and most movies are profitable when all income is accounted). This is what is known as a disappointment.

Again...not really. I'm a Disney shareholder. Do you think our annual report is going talk about the declining ratings "Desperate Housewives" had this season? Or how "Lost" was constantly getting crushed by "American Idol" every Wednesday? No--they're going to go on and on about the substantial ratings both shows do have, because the ratings were still great.

Same thing applies here--the movie is going to be profitable. It's the 4th (??) highest Memorial Day weekend opening. If the movie had bottomed out like MI3 did on it's opening weekend, there would be concern.

But this is doing exactly what they want it to. Who didn't expect a big drop in the 2nd weekend? Anyone who makes investments in things like this wouldn't be surprised.

[ultimatefan]

Again...not really. I'm a Disney shareholder. Do you think our annual report is going talk about the declining ratings "Desperate Housewives" had this season? Or how "Lost" was constantly getting crushed by "American Idol" every Wednesday? No--they're going to go on and on about the substantial ratings both shows do have, because the ratings were still great.

Same thing applies here--the movie is going to be profitable. It's the 4th (??) highest Memorial Day weekend opening. If the movie had bottomed out like MI3 did on it's opening weekend, there would be concern.

But this is doing exactly what they want it to. Who didn't expect a big drop in the 2nd weekend? Anyone who makes investments in things like this wouldn't be surprised.
A drop between 55%-60% is kind of acceptable for a huge opening like this. X3 looks like it will drop almost 70%. That is beyond acceptable. That shows strong audience rejection. It shows the movie has little multiplying factor. It shows further investment in the franchise - like all those spin-off movies - is risky. Van Helsing had a strong opening. Why aren´t they making a sequel? Cuz it had no legs after it.

[Downhere]

Everyone needs to remember that movies coming off a Memorial day weekend will have huge drops the weekend after, add the fact that X3 is part of a frontloaded franchise makes the drop seem worse. Those who claim to be box office experts should have known this.

Either way, I think today and tomorrow will allow the drop to fall less than 70% though because there is no rush out factor and today should show an increase.

[Lightning Strykez!]

A drop between 55%-60% is kind of acceptable for a huge opening like this. X3 looks like it will drop almost 70%. That is beyond acceptable. That shows strong audience rejection. It shows the movie has little multiplying factor.

No offense Ultimate (you know I love ya bruh) but this drop-off does not reveal those negatives. There are many other factors to take into consideration. The audience reaction has been fine.

[Angamb]

Do you really think that X3 budget was that high? Without fire bird, etc, etc, etc.

[Downhere]

No offense Ultimate (you know I love ya bruh) but this drop-off does not reveal those negatives. There are many other factors to take into consideration. The audience reaction has been fine.

I agree, the audience reaction has been fine indeed. The problem lies with a post-Memorial day weekend. If you go back through the recent years you will notice post-Memorial day weekend's have huge drops...X3 opened on Memorial Day weekend and is a frontloaded franchise and therefore it's Friday to Friday drop (which was the most frontloaded day) is amplified. It should garner 31-36 million this weekend...and after this weekend the drops should level out a bit.

[tallsy_1]

The audience reaction has been overall positive. So this is confusing.

I'm a bit surprised at the severe drop-off (77% is bad no matter how you cut it). Combined with the worldwide numbers not being so hot, this might not be the huge sucess that I thought after the first weekend.

[ultimatefan]

No offense Ultimate (you know I love ya bruh) but this drop-off does not reveal those negatives. There are many other factors to take into consideration. The audience reaction has been fine.
Love ya too, bruh... I know that a somewhat high drop was likely after that opening, but it´s looking to get almost 70%, still seems high. With good legs, XM TLS could easily be a 300m movie or more.

Theater reaction is relative. I heard of positive reactions to movies that were deemed disappointing.

[Downhere]

The audience reaction has been overall positive. So this is confusing.

I'm a bit surprised at the severe drop-off (77% is bad no matter how you cut it). Combined with the worldwide numbers not being so hot, this might not be the huge sucess that I thought after the first weekend.

*Sighs* If you read my post I explained the reason why the drop is amplified.

The problem lies with a post-Memorial day weekend. If you go back through the recent years you will notice post-Memorial day weekend's have huge drops...X3 opened on Memorial Day weekend and is a frontloaded franchise and therefore it's Friday to Friday drop (which was the most frontloaded day) is amplified. It should garner 31-36 million this weekend...and after this weekend the drops should level out a bit.


The international numbers not being so hot? 85 million for it's first international weekend is not hot? That's 35 million more than X2's international opening. Also, X2's international multiplier was around 3.8. Let's say X3 has a slightly less internaional multiplier at 3.5...that would garner around 290 million from it's international take...even if it's a little less that's a huge leap from X2 that got 190 million internationally.

[danoyse]

A drop between 55%-60% is kind of acceptable for a huge opening like this. X3 looks like it will drop almost 70%. That is beyond acceptable. That shows strong audience rejection.

Not when it's coming off a holiday weekend. The comparison from last Friday to this Friday isn't balanced at all. Last Friday was opening day on a holiday weekend and included midnight screenings. Take away those factors for yesterday, and there's definitely going to be a big drop.

It shows the movie has little multiplying factor.

For a 3rd film?

It shows further investment in the franchise - like all those spin-off movies - is risky. Van Helsing had a strong opening. Why aren´t they making a sequel? Cuz it had no legs after it.

Not even a comparison...Van Helsing was not a sequel, and it had a good opening weekend, not a recording breaking one.

X-Men is an established franchise, and there was plenty of audience interest in the 3rd film to assure spinoffs. How those do will be the real test of the box office power the series has.

[ultimatefan]

I agree, the audience reaction has been fine indeed. The problem lies with a post-Memorial day weekend. If you go back through the recent years you will notice post-Memorial day weekend's have huge drops...X3 opened on Memorial Day weekend and is a frontloaded franchise and therefore it's Friday to Friday drop (which was the most frontloaded day) is amplified. It should garner 31-36 million this weekend...and after this weekend the drops should level out a bit.
We´ll see. But they have to level out A LOT after this drop if the movie still want to pull huge numbers.

[Advanced Dark]

Looks like 28-30 million tops this weekend. Still will beat X2's #"s. Everyone who wanted to see X3...already has.

[Downhere]

We´ll see. But they have to level out A LOT after this drop if the movie still want to pull huge numbers.

The same thing happened to X2...it had a bigger than expected drop on it's second weekend (which let me say was not a post holiday weekend).

For those who have followed box office numbers, this will probably follow a similar path X2 had. The drops after this weekend will level out...they may not be amazingly small drops but they will level out to the 40-50% range.

[LuvinAlize]

Lots of suckers out there, no doubt about that.

How would i be a sucker to buy a dvd of a movie I actually like? :confused: And yes, thats right, I WILL HAVE A GIDDY SMILE when i buy it. And if they release the theatrical dvd and then a few weeks/months later release an extended version, I'll shell out whatever price Amazon.com sells it for both dvds. If you think I'm wasting money, thats your opinion. I assure you it wont put a dent in my pocket. As Dave Chapelle would say, "I'm rich B***H!" http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

X3 really isn't as bad as some are saying. Could have it been better? sure... but for me and many others it was a great flick. I think with this one, you either really loved it or really hated it...

None of the X-men movies, IMO, had serious "legs" to keep making loads of money outside of the fan base. I just dont think they're mainstream enough as say Spiderman, Superman, Batman, or even Fantastic Four. I can't speak for the new Superman movie, because I haven't seen it yet, but the X-men flicks have been my favorite superhero flicks to date. i don't see how some can call it a failure, when they talk about how X-men has been breaking box office records...

[Advanced Dark]

^ X3 wasn't bad at all. Everyone clearly wanted to see it right away and swamped over 8000 screens for 4 days in 3600 theatres breaking records. DVD releases are much closer to their theatrical releases so perhaps many are waiting for the DVD to see it again.

[antariksh]

*Sighs* If you read my post I explained the reason why the drop is amplified.




The international numbers not being so hot? 85 million for it's first international weekend is not hot? That's 35 million more than X2's international opening. Also, X2's international multiplier was around 3.8. Let's say X3 has a slightly less internaional multiplier at 3.5...that would garner around 290 million from it's international take...even if it's a little less that's a huge leap from X2 that got 190 million internationally.

Actually, X3 did $85 million in 4 DAYS not in 3 DAYS.

see boxofficemojo.com

It says till may 29th (MONDAY) X3 did $85 million.

[danoyse]

For those who have followed box office numbers, this will probably follow a similar path X2 had. The drops after this weekend will level out...they may not be amazingly small drops but they will level out to the 40-50% range.

Exactly. It's a similar path for most movies these days--doesn't necessarily mean that everyone hates the movie, and certainly doesn't make it a bomb.

[hammerhedd11]

Actually, X3 did $85 million in 4 DAYS not in 3 DAYS.

see boxofficemojo.com

It says till may 29th (MONDAY) X3 did $85 million.

No, it says it did $102mil.

[Downhere]

Actually, X3 did $85 million in 4 DAYS not in 3 DAYS.

see boxofficemojo.com

It says till may 29th (MONDAY) X3 did $85 million.

Actually, if you look at about half of the internaional countries it says as of 5/28 while the other half says 5/29. So not all of the monday grosses were added in.

And a alot of countries released X2 a day or two before its domestic debut.

[LuvinAlize]

The profits will be much smaller than they potentially could be, from that opening, because the movie has weak word of mouth and no legs.

Maybe thats true about the potential.. maybe it could have made more... but its still making dough... As for the weak word of mouth, I don't know about that... I've talked to several people who were either friends, family or acquaintances and when they talked about how they saw the movie, I asked them what they thought of it...keep in mind, these were just general audience/movie goers, not fanboys/girls... needless to say, all of them spoke of how they loved it...how it was amazing... how it "kicked A$$!...how the ending blew them away and were sad because its the "last film".... Then I'd ask, "did you stay after the credits for the extra footage?" Most said no and were disappointed, a few even said they'd pay to see it again and stay after the credits...So, in my view, the word of mouth has been pretty good. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[pistontoolfan]

I was looking and i saw Rush Hour 2 Outgrossed X2. So Another Example of Brent Ratner PWANING Bryan Singer. He's about tp PWAN him again with X3.

Brent Ratner >>>>>> Bryanb Singer

Bryan Singer was not Loyal and he's paying for it by getting PWNED by Ratner.

X3 Will make 230 in the states.

[ultimatefan]

The same thing happened to X2...it had a bigger than expected drop on it's second weekend (which let me say was not a post holiday weekend).

For those who have followed box office numbers, this will probably follow a similar path X2 had. The drops after this weekend will level out...they may not be amazingly small drops but they will level out to the 40-50% range.
X2 had a 58% drop that I remember. That I know, every movie that has dropped more than 60% has been harshly criticized for it and didn´t get a fast-track development for sequels of spin-offs. Hulk and Planet Of The Apes come to mind.

[pistontoolfan]

Well X3 will kill The Hulk in BO numbers.

[antariksh]

No, it says it did $102mil.

WHAT!!!

It did $76.1 million in 3-days and $84.6 million in 4 days.

IT DID NOT DO $102 million in 3 days overseas boxoffice.

[pistontoolfan]

WHAT!!!

It did $76.1 million in 3-days and $84.6 million in 4 days.

IT DID NOT DO $102 million in 3 days overseas boxoffice.

I think you guys are confused with each other. I think he means 102 in the usa.

[danoyse]

That I know, every movie that has dropped more than 60% has been harshly criticized for it and didn´t get a fast-track development for sequels of spin-offs. Hulk and Planet Of The Apes come to mind.

Hulk and Planet of the Apes weren't sequels to established franchises, and neither of them opened on a holiday weekend.

[Downhere]

X2 had a 58% drop that I remember. That I know, every movie that has dropped more than 60% has been harshly criticized for it and didn´t get a fast-track development for sequels of spin-offs. Hulk and Planet Of The Apes come to mind.

X2 had a second weekend drop of 53% with it's only competition coming from the 27 million dollar opening of Daddy Day Care...back in 2003 that was a huge drop and it was criticized for it as well among the Box office forum sites.

X2 showed that the X-men franchise is a frontloaded franchise. X3 opened on possibly the best and worse spot a film can open in. Why do I say worse? Because the post-memorial day weekend always has huge drops. Considering X3 is frontloaded already and had a frontloaded first day and weekend amplifies the drop on it's post-memorial day weekend. It seems many here weren't expecting that but I was because I have been following box office numbers since X-Men. This is just how it goes. The overall weekend drop will not be as bad. Last friday was super frontloaded with around 10-12 million coming from midnight showings added with the rushout factor.

[Downhere]

WHAT!!!

It did $76.1 million in 3-days and $84.6 million in 4 days.

IT DID NOT DO $102 million in 3 days overseas boxoffice.

*sighs* It made 85 million over 4 days but not all the monday numbers are added in. If you go to Box office mojo and look at the list of countries it opened up in...half of them say as of 5/28...which means there monday total was not added in.

X2 made around 48 million over 4-5 days because most countries opened the movie a day or two before the domestic opening. So X3 still opened with 37 million more than X2 did internationally. X2 had an international multiplier of 3.8. If X3 gets a little less...say 3.5...that means it will pull in around $290 million internationally which is a huge leap over X2...even if it's a little less it's still a huge leap over X2!

[ultimatefan]

Hulk and Planet of the Apes weren't sequels to established franchises, and neither of them opened on a holiday weekend.
Let´s see what will be said about this drop on monday. Most of all, how much it multiplies its opening weekend.

[Downhere]

It seems some people don't understand box office numbers especially when it comes to the X-Men franchise.

[danoyse]

Let´s see what will be said about this drop on monday. Most of all, how much it multiplies its opening weekend.

So far they've only estimated the Friday drop. No one knows what the weekend will bring.

[WorthyStevens]

X2 had a 58% drop that I remember. That I know, every movie that has dropped more than 60% has been harshly criticized for it and didn´t get a fast-track development for sequels of spin-offs. Hulk and Planet Of The Apes come to mind.

Harry Potter 3 dropped 62.7% in it's second weekend.

Blade II dropped 60.0%.

[chaseter]

Harry Potter 3 dropped 62.7% in it's second weekend.

Blade II dropped 60.0%.
And we all know Harry Potter is failing miserably at the box office and dvd sales:)

[Downhere]

And we all know Harry Potter is failing miserably at the box office and dvd sales:)

LOL...so true. Everyone is crying that the sky is falling for X3 but this was to be expected. This is how the franchise works at the box office.

[danoyse]

And we all know Harry Potter is failing miserably at the box office and dvd sales:)

And nearly everyone hates it. :p

[phantom47]

when is X3 gonna be released in japan china tawain etc.

[Downhere]

I think in the next two months...you can go to www.boxofficemojo.com and search for X3 and then click the international tab and it will show you the list of countries and their release dates.

[phantom47]

I think in the next two months...you can go to www.boxofficemojo.com (http://www.boxofficemojo.com) and search for X3 and then click the international tab and it will show you the list of countries and their release dates.why are they waiting so long

[Downhere]

why are they waiting so long

I have no idea, that's just how it works.

[Ursavior01]

why are they waiting so long

Because piracy is a big deal in China and Taiwan. Fox is holding back so that they won't release the fake copies onto the market.

[TheVileOne]

X2 had a 58% drop that I remember. That I know, every movie that has dropped more than 60% has been harshly criticized for it and didn´t get a fast-track development for sequels of spin-offs. Hulk and Planet Of The Apes come to mind.

No it didn't. The second weekend drop was closer to 45%.

[Downhere]

No it didn't. The second weekend drop was closer to 45%.

No it wasn't...it was 53%!

It's really easy to get this information it amazes me how so many put up skewed info on what a movie makes.

http://www.the-numbers.com/interactive/newsStory.php?newsID=242

[GL's Light]

The notion that Memorial Day releases always have a huge second weekend dropoff is incorrect. Remember that the dropoff is calculated on the 3-day weekend, not the 4-day one. Here are the second weekend dropoffs of the big Memorial Day releases from the last few years:

The Longest Yard (2005) - 45.22%
Madagascar (2005) - 40.48%
The Day After Tomorrow (2004) - 59.46%
Bruce Almighty (2003) - 45.07%
Pearl Harbor (2001) - 49.97%
Mission: Impossible II (2000) - 53.30%

Some have stated that X2's dropoff was big by 2003 standards. It wasn't. X2's 53% second weekend drop was a very good hold by the standards of an action-adventure sequel. Note from above that MI2, released three years earlier, had the same dropoff. X2 ended up being very frontloaded, but its second weekend drop wasn't the main culprit.

X3's second weekend dropoff will be the biggest, by far, that any Memorial Day release has ever encountered, but it will still roll up a worldwide gross that will mark it down as one of the successes of summer 2006.

[Downhere]

When X2 was released, many sites called it's second weekend drop pretty darn steep considering it's only competition was a family oriented film, Daddy Day Care. I remember because I followed X2's numbers closely. Everyone was expecting it to drop less than 50% because it basically had the whole weekend to itself.

Sci-fi films drop alot post-memorial day weekend with an example coming from The Day After Tomorrow, which also opened over the memorial day weekend with a weekend (3 day) total of 69 million. This film opened big and was a sci-fi film and was not a third part of a trilogy and dropped off bigtime. The Longest Yard, Madagascar and Bruce Almighty are comedies and were not as frontloaded as X3 is. I should have been more clear that action oriented films drop off more so in the post-memorial day weekend...as of recent years.


The X-men franchise is frontloaded, always has been. X3's opening day was super frontloaded. The drop wouldn't look so bad if it's first day of release was not frontloaded. X3's second weekend will not tell the whole story. It should level out after this weekend with 40-50% drops. Either way it's still a success and internationally will do alot better than X2 did.

[tonytr1687]

Stop giving excuses, ppl. It's looking like X3 will have a much steeper drop than the first two films. X1 had a 2nd weekend drop of around 56% and X2's was even less with around 53%. X3 is heading towards a 68-70% drop...which no matter what the circumstances (memorial day, etc.) is never good.

[Downhere]

Stop giving excuses, ppl. It's looking like X3 will have a much steeper drop than the first two films. X1 had a 2nd weekend drop of around 56% and X2's was even less with around 53%. X3 is heading towards a 68-70% drop...which no matter what the circumstances (memorial day, etc.) is never good.

It's not excuses...if X3 would not have opened over Memorial Day weekend it would have dropped in between X1 and X2. You have to wait for the weekend to finish because of course the friday to friday drops are going to be huge. X3's first friday was fueled by the rush out factor and midnight showings. Take away the midnight showings and the friday to friday drop would be around 62%.

[GL's Light]

Yes, family films and comedies usually have smaller second weekend drops, while action-adventure genre films that rely heavily on the narrower 15-35 male demographic have bigger drops. I'm not disputing that. But this second weekend drop is still going to be pretty damn huge, even by the standards of sequels in this genre. But one bad drop doesn't tell the whole story, and doesn't derail X3 from being a success.

[antariksh]

Stop giving excuses, ppl. It's looking like X3 will have a much steeper drop than the first two films. X1 had a 2nd weekend drop of around 56% and X2's was even less with around 53%. X3 is heading towards a 68-70% drop...which no matter what the circumstances (memorial day, etc.) is never good.

WELL SAID :up:

We should stop discussing this. Those fans who liked it should go to theatres and watch it again.

Today was my fourth viewing of X3 and i will do that once more next weekend.

[Downhere]

Yes, family films and comedies usually have smaller second weekend drops, while action-adventure genre films that rely heavily on the narrower 15-35 male demographic have bigger drops. I'm not disputing that. But this second weekend drop is still going to be pretty damn huge, even by the standards of sequels in this genre. But one bad drop doesn't tell the whole story, and doesn't derail X3 from being a success.

See, but everyone should have saw the big drop coming. X-Men is a frontloaded franchise. I mean, It wasn't going to drop just 50%. For some reason the X-Men films have been the type of films to see on opening weekend and then for some reason it doesn't get as many repeat viewings as other films.

I agree, the second weekend doesn't tell the whole story.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It seems to me, that in their haste to proclaim this film a failing "flop" that many are forgetting how different things are today for moviegoers. Comparing X3 to a film released 3 years ago is really unfair. Consider:

* The US job economy (plus general cost of living) is terrible in many markets

* The cost of US gasoline has skyrocketed past the $3.00/gallon range in most markets

* The cost of movie tickets, concession food prices, etc., are at an all-time high

* The box office has been in a slump by industry standards for at least 2 years straight

* Piracy

* A large percentage of consumers prefer to skip the theatrical experience altogether (for reasons listed above) and wait for the DVD release for home theater entertainment


Remember also that X3 had an unusually heavy front-loaded debut. Therefore, when you take into account the factors I've listed above, many of the moviegoers that contributed to that huge opening may not be inclined to rewatch the film the very next weekend.

Since the word-of-mouth and reviews have been solid, we shouldn't necessarily attribute this drop to the film being poor, or lack of appeal. It's not everyday that a Sci-Fi film breaks records like X3 has in its first week. ;)

[GL's Light]

See, but everyone should have saw the big drop coming. X-Men is a frontloaded franchise. I mean, It wasn't going to drop just 50%. For some reason the X-Men films have been the type of films to see on opening weekend and then for some reason it doesn't get as many repeat viewings as other films.

I agree, the second weekend doesn't tell the whole story.
I never expected a small drop. I always acknowledged the frontloaded nature of the X-Men franchise, and cautioned others who were making wildly optimistic predictions. In my book, a 55% drop would've been a good hold, and a 60% drop would've been reasonable. A drop in the high 60's is really steep, any way you cut it. But it'll be interesting to see the next batch of international figures, and even even if X3 continues to post sizable drops domestically, it should still reach at least $ 215-220 million.

[danoyse]

The notion that Memorial Day releases always have a huge second weekend dropoff is incorrect. Remember that the dropoff is calculated on the 3-day weekend, not the 4-day one. Here are the second weekend dropoffs of the big Memorial Day releases from the last few years:

The Longest Yard (2005) - 45.22%
Madagascar (2005) - 40.48%
The Day After Tomorrow (2004) - 59.46%
Bruce Almighty (2003) - 45.07%
Pearl Harbor (2001) - 49.97%
Mission: Impossible II (2000) - 53.30%



But weren't "The Longest Yard" and "Madagascar" fighting off "Star Wars Epsiode III" on Memorial Day as well? The dropoff might not have been so steep because by the 2nd weekend because people were still getting around to seeing them.

And back as far as 2000-2001, wouldn't the DVD release window we have now figure into things?

[GL's Light]

Also, X2's international multiplier was around 3.8. Let's say X3 has a slightly less internaional multiplier at 3.5...that would garner around 290 million from it's international take...even if it's a little less that's a huge leap from X2 that got 190 million internationally.
How do you figure an international multiplier of 3.8 for X2? It made $ 69.3 million in its opening weekend from foreign markets and ended up at $ 192.6 million. That's a 2.78 multiplier (although I'm leery of applying a multiplier to international numbers, given how release patterns differ in various territories).

X3 opened to $ 76.1 million internationally (for the 3-day), although a few big territories in Asia were delayed. Based on that start, $ 290 million international is way too high an expectation. I think around $ 220 million is a realistic projection for the international gross. A worlwide gross of 430-450 million is the likely range we're looking at.

[GL's Light]

But weren't "The Longest Yard" and "Madagascar" fighting off "Star Wars Epsiode III" on Memorial Day as well? The dropoff might not have been so steep because by the 2nd weekend because people were still getting around to seeing them.

And back as far as 2000-2001, wouldn't the DVD release window we have now figure into things?
Valid points about The Longest Yard and Madagascar, but it stings a little that X3's second weekend drop looks to be substantially more than that of The Day After Tomorrow.

The DVD release window has definitely contributed to the more frontloaded nature of today's box office, but this drop is still way steep, even taking that into account.

[Pickle-El]

It's not excuses...if X3 would not have opened over Memorial Day weekend it would have dropped in between X1 and X2. You have to wait for the weekend to finish because of course the friday to friday drops are going to be huge. X3's first friday was fueled by the rush out factor and midnight showings. Take away the midnight showings and the friday to friday drop would be around 62%.

Why don't you just compare all 100 Million dollar 3 day films to X3 and their respective 2nd week drops?

[THOR]

X3 had a budget of 165M with 50M in marketing. Superman Returns budget is 260M with marketing not finalized as yet. It will struggle to break even here in the US, unless it is a fantastic movie.....:supes:

[Kurosawa]

It's dropping for the most basic of reasons-it sucks. There's only so many mindless Wolverine fans out there. Not enough to sustain any sort of signifigant box office.

Guess he isn't #1 after all.

[Jan Irisi]

It's dropping for the most basic of reasons-it sucks. There's only so many mindless Wolverine fans out there. Not enough to sustain any sort of signifigant box office.

Guess he isn't #1 after all.

Lookie lookie, it's broken record man again!!! Let's look upon him and giggle.

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's dropping for the most basic of reasons-it sucks. There's only so many mindless Wolverine fans out there. Not enough to sustain any sort of signifigant box office.

Guess he isn't #1 after all.

Ahem. :o
I'm a huge Wolverine fan. Dare you call me mindless?

[Jan Irisi]

Ahem. :o
I'm a huge Wolverine fan. Dare you call me mindless?

Let's see...he'll call you an idiot, tell you to go to hell...what have I left out?

[Kurosawa]

I have no use for the character. I don't understand how anyone could see anything in him, unless they hate all other male Marvel characters. Because they've ALL been his ***** at one time or another.

[GL's Light]

I guess your head's going to explode when the Wolverine spinoff film is released. :wolverine

[Kurosawa]

I'll just not go to it. I ignore Wolverine as much as I can.

Best thing about DC to me is they don't have a character like Wolverine. They tried it with Batman for a while, but Batman had 50+ years of being a peer, not everyone's superior.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Let's see...he'll call you an idiot, tell you to go to hell...what have I left out?


That wouldn't be wise. ;)

[Hiruu]

Did anyone read Mark Ecko's comments about game critics (fan boys galore!)? Some of you guys and gals REALLY live up to his statements!

Only in this fantasy world of comic boy fan(atics) would someone think of Xmen III as a failure...even with a sizable 65-75% drop over it's 2nd weekend. The movie is a freaking monster hit, and is still tracking for $250, and chances are, international numbers are going to be much stronger, and deliver over one-half of a BILLION dollars in ticket sales! Then there's all the freaking gravy stuff!

Was Xmen III all that it could...nah....

Was it too short....yup....by nearly 1/2 hr....

But to suggest that the movie is a failure is simply silly. Oh but wait, it's deja vu from last year, when FF was slammed as a failure for the 2nd weekend drop...yeah...$154 million and over $300 worldwide isn't a failure in the real world on a $100 million budget.

I can certianly respect someone's dislike of a film, but spinning silliness endless...man...talk about comic relief...literally!

[Chris M]

It seems to me, that in their haste to proclaim this film a failing "flop" that many are forgetting how different things are today for moviegoers. Comparing X3 to a film released 3 years ago is really unfair. Consider:

* The US job economy (plus general cost of living) is terrible in many markets

* The cost of US gasoline has skyrocketed past the $3.00/gallon range in most markets

* The cost of movie tickets, concession food prices, etc., are at an all-time high

* The box office has been in a slump by industry standards for at least 2 years straight

* Piracy

* A large percentage of consumers prefer to skip the theatrical experience altogether (for reasons listed above) and wait for the DVD release for home theater entertainment



And indexing for CPI should give a 2006 film a healthy head start over a 2003 film. But even forgetting CPI, half of the current top 10 box office results of all time are from films after 2003, and none of the factors above impeded the following films, which all exceeded X2.:

Shrek 2 (2004) $436,471,036
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) $380,262,555
Spider-Man 2 (2004) $373,377,893
The Passion of the Christ (2004) $370,270,943
Finding Nemo (2003) $339,714,367
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (2005) $291,709,845
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005) $289,994,397
Meet the Fockers (2004) $279,167,575
The Incredibles (2004) $261,437,578
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004) $249,358,727
War of the Worlds (2005) $234,277,056
King Kong (2005) $218,051,260

[spideyboy_1111]

i like these to posts on rotten tomatoes

#543274 curtis on Jun 03 2006, 04:00 PM writes:
In reply to this comment (#543251)
I should have saw X-men. The break up was a very bad moive. People were walking out before the movie ended. I agree with people being bored. That is only reason why to see this stupid film.



#543287 nardoguz on Jun 03 2006, 04:23 PM writes:
the real news
I think the real news here will be how big of a drop X Men: The Last Stand is going to have at the box office. To go from 122 million one four day weekend to a 10 million friday? (that 10 million will decrease saturday and again on sunday) - I'm no mathematician, but thats a huge drop. It could be because everyone who really wanted to see the movie already has, but I have a strong feeling that it has to do with the negative reviews and especially the negative word-of mouth. A person who doesnt like a movie will tell more people that than a petrson who does enjoy it.

so X3 lovers, SPEAK OUT!

[Pickle-El]

X3 had a budget of 165M with 50M in marketing. Superman Returns budget is 260M with marketing not finalized as yet. It will struggle to break even here in the US, unless it is a fantastic movie.....:supes:


How do you know it isn't 200 + 50 Million marketing for SR? I mean, you're playing the 'BOM is counting marketing' Card......right? That's how you guys are getting 210 total....

[Loganbabe]

I'll just not go to it. I ignore Wolverine as much as I can.
Really? It doesn´t seem like it, since you can´t stop talking about him. :rolleyes:

[Advanced Dark]

How do you know it isn't 200 + 50 Million marketing for SR? I mean, you're playing the 'BOM is counting marketing' Card......right? That's how you guys are getting 210 total....

The studio only gets about 55% of the theatrical revenue on average and the first week the studios get almost 100% in some cases but surely over 80% which is why the receipts in the first week mean so much more than week 2, and even at the end of a films run the theatre owners get the bulk.

[Kurosawa]

i like these to posts on rotten tomatoes

#543274 curtis on Jun 03 2006, 04:00 PM writes:
In reply to this comment (#543251)
I should have saw X-men. The break up was a very bad moive. People were walking out before the movie ended. I agree with people being bored. That is only reason why to see this stupid film.



#543287 nardoguz on Jun 03 2006, 04:23 PM writes:
the real news
I think the real news here will be how big of a drop X Men: The Last Stand is going to have at the box office. To go from 122 million one four day weekend to a 10 million friday? (that 10 million will decrease saturday and again on sunday) - I'm no mathematician, but thats a huge drop. It could be because everyone who really wanted to see the movie already has, but I have a strong feeling that it has to do with the negative reviews and especially the negative word-of mouth. A person who doesnt like a movie will tell more people that than a petrson who does enjoy it.

so X3 lovers, SPEAK OUT!

I was asked about X3 tonight. After thoroughly blasting the movie, I managed to convince 3 people not to see it.

My good deed for the day.

[danoyse]

I'll just not go to it. I ignore Wolverine as much as I can.

Is that why you post about him so much? :rolleyes:

[GL's Light]

The studio only gets about 55% of the theatrical revenue on average and the first week the studios get almost 100% in some cases but surely over 80% which is why the receipts in the first week mean so much more than week 2, and even at the end of a films run the theatre owners get the bulk.
I've heard that arrangement is no longer operative. With box office getting more and more frontloaded it would put the theaters out of business to maintain the sliding scale of box office split. The split between the studios and theaters now operates on a straight 55-45 split from the first day of release through the last day.

[Kurosawa]

As I've said before, due in many respects to Wolverine's obscene push, Marvel is now killing off Cyke in the comics. So I have every right to be angry.

I TOLD everyone that what happened in X3 would lead to this....I hate always being right.

[danoyse]

I TOLD everyone that what happened in X3 would lead to this....I hate always being right.

But you're not right. That's the sad thing.

If I'm not mistaken, haven't you not even seen X3?

[Advanced Dark]

I've heard that arrangement is no longer operative. With box office getting more and more frontloaded it would put the theaters out of business to maintain the sliding scale of box office split. The split between the studios and theaters now operates on a straight 55-45 split from the first day of release through the last day.

Depends on the movie, and the deal in place with the specific studio. For instance George Lucas got 100% of the receipts for the first week or two.

[Slim_X]

I was asked about X3 tonight. After thoroughly blasting the movie, I managed to convince 3 people not to see it.

My good deed for the day.
Wow... you're pathetic :O

[Chris M]

As I've said before, due in many respects to Wolverine's obscene push, Marvel is now killing off Cyke in the comics. So I have every right to be angry.

I TOLD everyone that what happened in X3 would lead to this....I hate always being right.

You serious? :eek:

Where'd you hear this?

[GL's Light]

Depends on the movie, and the deal in place with the specific studio. For instance George Lucas got 100% of the receipts for the first week or two.
I doubt he got 100% for the first two weeks. More like 90% first week, 80% second week.

[Advanced Dark]

No more like 100%. That's one hundred percent.

[spideyboy_1111]

I was asked about X3 tonight. After thoroughly blasting the movie, I managed to convince 3 people not to see it.

My good deed for the day.
and your a moron... because your preventing another x-men movie to be made.. causing the franchise to truthfully end with X3

[GL's Light]

No more like 100%. That's one hundred percent.
Sorry, I'd need to see some evidence of that to buy it. I don't think it would be economically viable.

[danoyse]

and your a moron... because your preventing another x-men movie to be made.. causing the franchise to truthfully end with X3

Oh, don't give him any more reason to think he's actually accomplishing anything.

It's bad enough I keep picturing him picketing outside the movie theater, wearing a Cyclops uniform and holding an anti-Wolverine sign. :p

[Advanced Dark]

Sorry, I'd need to see some evidence of that to buy it. I don't think it would be economically viable.

I'm 100% positive about it. It was a unique deal and the theatre owners knew it would drive audiences to the theatre and it would have long legs like it did and sold out shows would drive audiences to other films and the big crowds would boot up concessions. I"ll try to find it.

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=8354

Here's the link and the evidence. Told ya:

The box office number that is reported for a film is the total amount of money people have paid to see a film. This, however, is not how much money the studio accrues for a film. The reason this is the case is that studios have agreements with exhibitors - AKA your local cinema - when it comes to showing films. These agreements outline how the revenue generated by the film will be split between the studio and the exhibitor. Generally, the opening weekend revenue is split at an 80/20 ratio with the studio receiving 80% of the total gates. For their participation, the exhibitors receive their 20%, as well as all the revenue generated from concession sales. As the film’s run continues, the split changes in favor of the exhibitor until it reaches 50/50. This is only a general agreement and is not a standard for all releases. Each release can have its own agreement, with the 80/20 split being the most common. One of the exceptions to this rule was Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace; the agreement there had the studio receiving 100% of the gates for the first two weeks of release. So while every film is different, considerable variances can be considered the exceptions.

Never doubt my powers! (Evil laugh)

[danoyse]

[url]Never doubt my powers! (Evil laugh)

Your research ability astounds me! :up: :)

[Advanced Dark]

^ Actually that movieball article is in 3 separate sections. Read the whole thing...it's great.

[GL's Light]

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=8354

Here's the link and the evidence. Told ya:



Never doubt my powers! (Evil laugh)
You were correct on that score. :up:

Although that's a deal from 1999 for TPM. As I said, from what I've heard, the sliding scale has been abandoned as a business model in the last couple of years.

[Advanced Dark]

You were correct on that score. :up:

Although that's a deal from 1999 for TPM. As I said, from what I've heard, the sliding scale has been abandoned as a business model in the last couple of years.

Evidence? Your turn. :)

[danoyse]

Although that's a deal from 1999 for TPM. As I said, from what I've heard, the sliding scale has been abandoned as a business model in the last couple of years.

Didn't he also make all of these conditions for the theaters running TPM--how long the trailers can run, what screens it can play on, and so forth?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Are we talking about Warsong or Box Office tracking? :cool:

Let's stay on-topic please.