Because I'm tired of this **** - Goku vs. Superman - The end of all polls

[Corinthian™]

Alright, no prime Superman, no Super Sayjian Goku with all the Dragon Balls. Just a poll.

Who is your favorite.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Pablo_Corinthian/superman1.jpg VS http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Pablo_Corinthian/Goku1.jpg

[DOG LIPS]

Batman wins with prep time.

[Corinthian™]

Batman wins with prep time.
I keep telling them but they don't listen:down:mad:

[Arcturus]

Elvis Presley will destroy them, regardless.

[Hades]

Batman

[Equinox]

Im the Batman, *****!!! :mad:

[Outsiderzedge]

You guys joke, but Batman probably really could take them both with enough prep time.

[Arcturus]

^

With, or without Robin to assist?

[Equinox]

Add Batman to the poll dammitt :mad:

[yenaled]

For God's sake ._.

[Red X]

This will just add more fuel to the fire.

[Warhammer]

Haha. :D

[Phantom Lantern]

superman has the cool outfit, goku has a monkey tail sticking out of his ass

superman fights darkseid the sovereign ruler of apokolips, goku fights a big pink dude that looks like kirby after a course of steroids

superman has a fortress of solitude, goku lives in a bubble

superman is a member of the justice leauge of america, the greatest collection of heroes the earth of has ever seen, all with the coolest outfits ever in the history of everything who have saved the world and the universe contless times

goku helps a old green wrinky alien who has a black manservant and then goes "training" for a few years while his kid and friends get the **** beaten out of them !!!

superman :up:

the dude with the tail sticking out of his ass :down

[Phantom Lantern]

double post

[LibrarianThorne]

Ironically, Akira Toriyama was inspired to make Goku by his love of Superman.

[Guyverjay]

Ironically, Akira Toriyama was inspired to make Goku by his love of Superman.

Not exactly accurate:o

sun wu kong inspired Gokus creation not Superman

I think the flying cloud, monkey tale and size changing staff would have given that away:o

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/67/Cute_pretty_monkey_king_by_ArtBennyRGrau.jpg

He years LATER made ADULT Goku like superman (making him an alien from a destroyed planet, last of his kind etc) because as you say he is a big fan of the man of steel

[Red X]

Ironically, Akira Toriyama was inspired to make Goku by his love of Superman.

He also said many times in interview's that Goku could beat Superman

[Gotenks]

Because he can.

[chuckymack]

Goku in no way stands up to Superman. It's kinda wierd that this is even an issue. Superman is bigger, stronger, faster, smarter and more determined than Goku ever was.
In ten fights, Supes wins 143 times. That's how much of a beat-down Goku gets.

[Elijya]

Chucky, how much DBZ have you watched?

[D.Rex]

My guess is none.

[Elijya]

mine too

[Spare-Flair]

Batman does win with prep time. That's the final law of the universe and it's ultimately true. Batman would need near infinity of prep time but then, with that much prep time, Batman could find a way to live forever also...then go back in time to defeat Superman and Goku.

But Goku wins here because you are forgetting Superman has reached the peak of his maturity and power and has even been depowered throught he years. Goku keeps getting new Super Saiyan levels when the plot demands it.

Also, Goku beat death on his own, Superman needed help...what would happen if Goku flew to a part of the galaxy where yellow sunlight didn't reach? Superman's solor power is stored in his cells and that runs out quickly into the middle of black space.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Not exactly accurate:o

sun wu kong inspired Gokus creation not Superman

I think the flying cloud, monkey tale and size changing staff would have given that away:o

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/67/Cute_pretty_monkey_king_by_ArtBennyRGrau.jpg

He years LATER made ADULT Goku like superman (making him an alien from a destroyed planet, last of his kind etc) because as you say he is a big fan of the man of steel


Dude Akira Toriyama has stated in nearly every interview that the sci-fi plots of DBZ especially Goku's alien heritage and his home planets destruction were inspired by Superman as well as the legend of Sun Wu Kong.:up:

[Ultra-Herald9]

Batman does win with prep time. That's the final law of the universe and it's ultimately true. Batman would need near infinity of prep time but then, with that much prep time, Batman could find a way to live forever also...then go back in time to defeat Superman and Goku.

But Goku wins here because you are forgetting Superman has reached the peak of his maturity and power and has even been depowered throught he years. Goku keeps getting new Super Saiyan levels when the plot demands it.

Also, Goku beat death on his own, Superman needed help...what would happen if Goku flew to a part of the galaxy where yellow sunlight didn't reach? Superman's solor power is stored in his cells and that runs out quickly into the middle of black space.


It seems like you have got some facts mixed up my friend. Goku is the one who has reached his peak since his series has ended and its creator has no intention of continuing the series while Superman's comics will continue to grow and expand and his power has been implied to be near unlimited if he decides to absorb extra solar energy.

Plus Superman's powers don't run out quicly since he is a solar battery in fact in some comics it has taken weeks for his powers to completly deplete.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Serriously, If Supes aint the pre-crisis nor in Prime mod, then Gokou takes this.

[Warhammer]

It seems like you have got some facts mixed up my friend. Goku is the one who has reached his peak since his series has ended and its creator has no intention of continuing the series while Superman's comics will continue to grow and expand and his power has been implied to be near unlimited if he decides to absorb extra solar energy.

Plus Superman's powers don't run out quicly since he is a solar battery in fact in some comics it has taken weeks for his powers to completly deplete.

That is the exact reason why I always put Superman over Goku.
I am sure Superman will last a while in a battle with Goku. Superman has the yellow sun as a pure energy source, and is rarely drained of his super powers. Goku will eventually drain of energy.

I like Goku just as much as the next guy, but Superman has a non-stop energy source.

[D.Rex]

Yes but Goku's strength is ridiculous. His strength and speed so impressive it's mind-boggling to try and figure out and they get exponetially higher in each of his Super Saiyan forms. His kamekameha wave wold engulf Superman's heat beams and lobotamizing ray. In JLU Superman is dead even with Doomsday who Goku would crush. Unless were talking about Superman prime Goku crushes Superman. And Corinthian already said we weren't. A near infinite power source doesn't matter much when you're dead in less than a minute.

[Crocodile]

Batman does win with prep time. That's the final law of the universe and it's ultimately true. Batman would need near infinity of prep time but then, with that much prep time, Batman could find a way to live forever also...then go back in time to defeat Superman and Goku.

But Goku wins here because you are forgetting Superman has reached the peak of his maturity and power and has even been depowered throught he years. Goku keeps getting new Super Saiyan levels when the plot demands it.

Also, Goku beat death on his own, Superman needed help...what would happen if Goku flew to a part of the galaxy where yellow sunlight didn't reach? Superman's solor power is stored in his cells and that runs out quickly into the middle of black space.

Dude. What are you talking about? The Batman wins with prep time argument gets really annoying and I've only bee a member for a few weeks.

You're right about Goku winning though.

[Warhammer]

Yes but Goku's strength is ridiculous. His strength and speed so impressive it's mind-boggling to try and figure out and they get exponetially higher in each of his Super Saiyan forms. His kamekameha wave wold engulf Superman's heat beams and lobotamizing ray. In JLU Superman is dead even with Doomsday who Goku would crush. Unless were talking about Superman prime Goku crushes Superman. And Corinthian already said we weren't. A near infinite power source doesn't matter much when you're dead in less than a minute.

Idk.
I am still a bit skeptical.
Very good opinion, though.

[D.Rex]

Thanks man. Sometimes I just get tired of the Goku vs. matches. They get kind of old. I like vs. matches but only good ones. DBZ characters are different as there is no in between for them. They either crush their opponent or get crushed themselves. Fanboys put them in matches to see them totally demolish their opponent (like in Vegeta vs. Spiderman from the archives) or get see them killed (like in Goku vs. Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet). Vegeta is going to blast Spidey into oblivion before he even thinks about his first move and who can beat a guy with an item that controls the universe. Thats right no one.

This isn't a bad match to begin with (in and of itself) but it's been done so many times it's just old. I've come to realize it's not even a match between Goku and Superman. (What Im about to say is in to way directed at Corinthian creator of this thread because I get the feeling he is just as tired of these threads as I am thats why this is the thread to end all) It's people pitting American animation against Japanese animation because they're so obsessed with one or the other that they can't stop to enjoy the other so they pit the best fighter from each universe against one another to prove theirs is better. And when they find Superman can't win they move on to another one of the thousands of DC and Marvel characters until they find one who can (see Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet). And when they find Goku can't win on his own they say he has absorbed the Dragon Balls (which really doesn't even make sense because it happened at the end of GT and we really don't know what happened or what Goku did because they neve rtold us and it ended) I watched all of the Dragonball/Z/GT trilogy and enjoyed every minute of it. But Im also a huge fan of the now cancelled JLU as well as BTAS. I like both anime and American superheroes. So it's not a big deal to me who wins but people should try to enjoy both for what they are.

So hey Superman vs. Goku isn't a terrible fight but lets give it a rest for a while.

[Gotenks]

Yes but Goku's strength is ridiculous. His strength and speed so impressive it's mind-boggling to try and figure out and they get exponetially higher in each of his Super Saiyan forms. His kamekameha wave wold engulf Superman's heat beams and lobotamizing ray. In JLU Superman is dead even with Doomsday who Goku would crush. Unless were talking about Superman prime Goku crushes Superman. And Corinthian already said we weren't. A near infinite power source doesn't matter much when you're dead in less than a minute.

Yeah agreed.

[Elijya]

Lemme just emphasize: by the end of DBZ, Goku is more powerful then a guy who could effortlessly blow up a planet by a factor of at least 1,000

[Leto Atrides]

The point of this thread is "Who is your favorite?"

And my answer is Supes.

I actually used to like them about the same. Then I started reading vs. threads.

I see people like Elijya try to make reasonable arguments. Then people who have never set foot outside of the anime forums write long diatribes like: "While he is Super Saiyajin 4, Son-Gokou's power is 19,000,000,000. Then, he and Shenlon combined and his power was raised to 35,000,000,000,000! He can blow holes through universes! That means he can kill people that can't die!" It kind of ruined Goku for me.

[Elijya]

thank you Leto

[buutenks]

Goku is my favorite between Supes and him.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Yes but Goku's strength is ridiculous. His strength and speed so impressive it's mind-boggling to try and figure out and they get exponetially higher in each of his Super Saiyan forms. His kamekameha wave wold engulf Superman's heat beams and lobotamizing ray. In JLU Superman is dead even with Doomsday who Goku would crush. Unless were talking about Superman prime Goku crushes Superman. And Corinthian already said we weren't. A near infinite power source doesn't matter much when you're dead in less than a minute.


Dude I hope you no that JLU Superman is a joke compared even to the weak John Byrne Superman. And has anyone ever heard of concentrated energy before? How do we know that is heat vision won't punch right through the kamehameha wave plus he can make his heat vision even bigger if he wants in fact I once saw a comic where he engulfed the entire earth with his heat vision although I am unaware of the circumstances of how he was able to acheive this feat. Not to mention the fact that its hard to crush someone that is physically as strong as SSJ4 and could just take a dip in the sun and be able to move planets across galaxies.

[D.Rex]

Dude I hope you no that JLU Superman is a joke compared even to the weak John Byrne Superman. And has anyone ever heard of concentrated energy before? How do we know that is heat vision won't punch right through the kamehameha wave plus he can make his heat vision even bigger if he wants in fact I once saw a comic where he engulfed the entire earth with his heat vision although I am unaware of the circumstances of how he was able to acheive this feat. Not to mention the fact that its hard to crush someone that is physically as strong as SSJ4 and could just take a dip in the sun and be able to move planets across galaxies.

See this is what I mean. This isn't a bad fight to begin with but it gets taken to extremes. You can't set any boundaries on it because their are so many different variables and alterations. People say stuff like "well Superman can fly through the sun and become super-charged and push planets" or "Goku can blow holes into other dimensions and move galaxies and absorb the dragonballs and then back it up with numbers pulled from who knows where." This fight is taken way out of proportion and people find new ways to make their guy superior.

Here's what I can tell you. Both are extremely great charcaters with very entertaining shows and comics. Both are extremely powerful individuals. If both regular post crisis Superman from the comics or JLU or wherever and Super Saiyan 2 or 3 Goku were to fight in a made up arena on Earth were neither could leave until the match was finished my money would be on Goku. Other than that I have no idea. I don't feel like diving into Superman Primes, sun power ups, dragonball absorbtion, universe destruction or anything like that. Just a regular fight. Punches kicks and energy beams.

The problem is because these two are so powerful and have been around for so long there is no limit to what people claim they can do and you will never ever get to a clear cut winner. That is my point.

[Ultra-Herald9]

As everyone probably figured by now I like Superman over Goku but I believe that Goku is respectible as a hero and he does have some moments were he is pretty cool but Superman is a different type of hero. Superman is kind selfless and a vigil protector. He actually does things for people all over the world while goku fights of a threat then goes to training and he is strength and inspiration to all superheroes and people he comes in contact with even though he is so modest while Goku can be annoyingly cocky at times.

[Ultra-Herald9]

See this is what I mean. This isn't a bad fight to begin with but it gets taken to extremes. You can't set any boundaries on it because their are so many different variables and alterations. People say stuff like "well Superman can fly through the sun and become super-charged and push planets" or "Goku can blow holes into other dimensions and move galaxies and absorb the dragonballs and then back it up with numbers pulled from who knows where." This fight is taken way out of proportion and people find new ways to make their guy superior.

Here's what I can tell you. Both are extremely great charcaters with very entertaining shows and comics. Both are extremely powerful individuals. If both regular post crisis Superman from the comics or JLU or wherever and Super Saiyan 2 or 3 Goku were to fight in a made up arena on Earth were neither could leave until the match was finished my money would be on Goku. Other than that I have no idea. I don't feel like diving into Superman Primes, sun power ups, dragonball absorbtion, universe destruction or anything like that. Just a regular fight. Punches kicks and energy beams.

The problem is because these two are so powerful and have been around for so long there is no limit to what people claim they can do and you will never ever get to a clear cut winner. That is my point.

You are right about both being extremely powerful warrioirs and the both have their advantages and disadvantages but if the were to fight on earth I would say that Spes would have even more of the advantage since he can just move the fight to a sunny area and then have infinite stamina since his cells are constantly being restored while Goku gets tired and bloodied after five minutes of intense fighting.

The reason why I started to dislike DBZ(and started to like Superman actually) was because alot of people that watch DBZ think the know all about Superman just because the have seen a couple episodes of justice league while in comics its like he's a totally different guy with a the same costume. Then the go around saying that Goku would instantly kill everyone from the DC/Marvel universe in his sleep when they don't know that there are people in these comics that could destroy goku's universe in an instant. People just can't seem to except the fact that such an old hero like Supes can even match the DBZ Gang and the claim that Goku is stronger than Superman even though Supes feats of strength put him on par and even above SSJ4 and this is without a sun dip and his durability is far above Goku's. So it all comes down to logic and you must ask yourself who would win, the guy who is as strong as SSJ4 to begin with or the guy that has to take a five minute power level increase period to become that strong.

But then there are those people that love their DBZ so much that they completely overestimate their characters powers based on nothing which made me dislike the characters some and it just got really annoying to me so read some lists of the most impressive feats that Supes has done compared to Goku's actual feats a realised that Superman's far exceed Goku's but people still can't get over their whacky "Goku could destroy the entire universe theories".

[Warhammer]

The point of this thread is "Who is your favorite?"

And my answer is Supes.

I actually used to like them about the same. Then I started reading vs. threads.

I see people like Elijya try to make reasonable arguments. Then people who have never set foot outside of the anime forums write long diatribes like: "While he is Super Saiyajin 4, Son-Gokou's power is 19,000,000,000. Then, he and Shenlon combined and his power was raised to 35,000,000,000,000! He can blow holes through universes! That means he can kill people that can't die!" It kind of ruined Goku for me.

:up:

[boywondernerdDC]

superman

[Spare-Flair]

Dude. What are you talking about? The Batman wins with prep time argument gets really annoying and I've only bee a member for a few weeks.

You're right about Goku winning though.

Then I don't think you've been here long enough to understand that Batman with prep time is a running joke on Superhero hype.

[dnno1]

http://coolspot77.com/zrebf/goku-vs-superman.jpg
Goku vs. Superman
(artist zrebf)

In any battle of this nature (a comcis/manga crossover match up) it will always be the more popular character who wins out. Irrespective of powers and who's stronger, I think that Superman is more popular at this time so he will win. Actually I do not think that anyone really knows how powerful Superman really is since he has yet to fight an opponent in which he does not have to hold back his power to fight.

[Leto Atrides]

^^^ Pretty cool pic. Haircut reminds me more of Gohan though.

But you have a point. We are not really sure of how powerful Supes is. The power he normally shows, which is not his full power, is not enough to beat Goku. But who knows how much more he has? It's kind of nebulous.

[dnno1]

I found this post (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4997954#post4997954) over at KMC Forums:

http://myfavoritegames.com/dragonba.../VideoClips.htm[/url]

Here's Superman's feats.

Supes is using his Heat Vision to get the foe off of him.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5001/supes8cz.jpg

Supes shoots a beam of low-intensity Heat Vision at the Moon. People in the watch tower was blinded except for Plastic Man cause sense he had shades on. The Moon is very far from Earth, this shows the range Supes Heat Vision has.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9708/supermansheatvision24vv.jpg

In this pic it shows that Supes Heat Vision stated by them, "his vision is off the charts by any standard scientific measures". They can measure how hot a star is, but they cannot measure the temp of Supermans Heat Vision.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/863/supermansheatvision30nk.jpg

In this pic his power is waning under a red sun, but he still summoned enough Heat Vision to successfully power Jor-ELs planet-moving ion engines. The in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6824/supermansheatvision17gy.jpg

In this pic, Superman is flying by the sun to stop the Cannabal planet from destroying the sun. This also prove that Supes is able to blow up a planet aswell. He also heated up a plaent with his Heat Vision before too.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7923/supermansheatvison2np.jpg

Superman calculating the guys melting point. Wich also shows how much he holds back with his Heat Vision, to keep from killing his foes.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8360/08222005124926pm7ji.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3679/08222005125029pm5zg.jpg

Supes just spraying this guy with Heat Vision. If he wanted to, he could kill Goku easily with Heat Vision, without even letting him even breath.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1535/0822311an.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1271/0822323nz.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3776/0822338uf.jpg

Superman can also blind his opponent or just lobotimize his foe with Heat Vision. If he was fighting to kill without holding back there's no telling what he'll do.

Here's proof that Supes is light speed, and is far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

Superman catching bullets with little effort. This is something the DBZ/Gt characters can do also though.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7786/08222005050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/530/supermancatchingbullets2ww.jpg

Here's Superman reading at high speeds (something Goku or any of the DBZ/GT characters ever done).

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4955/superman1451ba.jpg

Superman fighting at high speeds.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/679/08222005124311pm3un.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating (phasing) his body so fast that hes going right through Doomsday Lightning/Fire Breath. This is proof that hes far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating his body invisible now, something they also can't do either.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/553/supermaninvisible44zc.jpg

Here's Superman calculating how fast to go on Earths Surface in populated areas. He also plugs Lois' ears with cotton while he flew through.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/704/08222005052719pm2ys.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8281/08222005052832pm2wo.jpg

Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg

Superman traveling at high speeds in space.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1831/supermanhaulingassagain37xc.jpg

Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1954/08222005054558pm3oy.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2785/08222005054722pm5jq.jpg

Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5590/darksiedbeaten7sq.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6573/darksiedbeaten25ph.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/192/supermanbatman13pg08097cu.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1609/supermanbatman13pg109es.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5647/supermanbatman13pg114cl.jpg

Superman is far stronger too, as is always holding back. Superman hits Lobo from Earth into orbit, Lobo stats that if he doesn't stop himself that he'll spend the next century obitting around the planet.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4643/supeslobo0uo.jpg

Superman and G. Zod blows are so devastating that they are creating earthquakes and the planet is falling apart. And he was still holding back while fighting under a red sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg

Here's Supes when hes done pulling his punches.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3613/cy14oq.jpg

Here's Superman holding a black hole in the palm of his hand for a while.
Which makes him far stronger than than Goku.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9199/supermanblackhole0015ak.jpg

Here's Superman taking several particle beams.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/60/09122118lq.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3651/durability55et.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3443/09131329ai.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4640/durability20ki.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1761/durability35ln.jpg

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Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.

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http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3932/08222005121910pm8yp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg

Superman surviving the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero. The sun eater is an enormously energetic cloud that literally eats both the energy and mass of whole stars. The sun eater was considerably larger than a star, had been in existence for millenia and had consumed the energy of many stars by travelling from galaxy to galaxy. Which proves that he's far more durable than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7467/09122005080012pm3uo.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4746/09122005080419pm3ri.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7775/durability49cp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/851/durability11pn.jpg

Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole (which beats every feat ssj3/4 Goku or any DBZ/GT character has ever done), this proves his strength, speed, and durability.

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Superman has ssj3/4 Goku in strength, speed, durability, and stamina. Goku loses.

And Superman has the popularity factor going for him as well.

[Guyverjay]

Dude Akira Toriyama has stated in nearly every interview that the sci-fi plots of DBZ especially Goku's alien heritage and his home planets destruction were inspired by Superman as well as the legend of Sun Wu Kong.:up:


*sigh*

I already said that

Hence the "years later "

Dragonball wasn't sci fi until Goku became an adult ie Dragonball Z, up to that point Goku had no traits of superman what so ever.

[Spare-Flair]

http://coolspot77.com/zrebf/goku-vs-superman.jpg
Goku vs. Superman
(artist zrebf)

In any battle of this nature (a comcis/manga crossover match up) it will always be the more popular character who wins out. Irrespective of powers and who's stronger, I think that Superman is more popular at this time so he will win. Actually I do not think that anyone really knows how powerful Superman really is since he has yet to fight an opponent in which he does not have to hold back his power to fight.

Doomsday, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor, the list goes on and on and on

[Elijya]

I found this post (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4997954#post4997954) over at KMC Forums:



And Superman has the popularity factor going for him as well.
no one cares

[Elijya]

See this is what I mean. This isn't a bad fight to begin with but it gets taken to extremes. You can't set any boundaries on it because their are so many different variables and alterations. People say stuff like "well Superman can fly through the sun and become super-charged and push planets" or "Goku can blow holes into other dimensions and move galaxies and absorb the dragonballs and then back it up with numbers pulled from who knows where." This fight is taken way out of proportion and people find new ways to make their guy superior.

Here's what I can tell you. Both are extremely great charcaters with very entertaining shows and comics. Both are extremely powerful individuals. If both regular post crisis Superman from the comics or JLU or wherever and Super Saiyan 2 or 3 Goku were to fight in a made up arena on Earth were neither could leave until the match was finished my money would be on Goku. Other than that I have no idea. I don't feel like diving into Superman Primes, sun power ups, dragonball absorbtion, universe destruction or anything like that. Just a regular fight. Punches kicks and energy beams.

The problem is because these two are so powerful and have been around for so long there is no limit to what people claim they can do and you will never ever get to a clear cut winner. That is my point.
::clap clap clap::

[dnno1]

no one cares

I doubt you could prove that.

[dnno1]

Doomsday, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor, the list goes on and on and on

Even though he did let off on these villians no one can be trully certain that he didn't hold back some of his strength in those battles. The fact that these are living beings and that he is sworn not to kill implies that we will alway hold back some of his power to prevent that.

[Guyverjay]

Even though he did let off on these villians no one can be trully certain that he didn't hold back some of his strength in those battles. The fact that these are living beings and that he is sworn not to kill implies that we will alway hold back some of his power to prevent that.

LOL hold back against Doomsday and Darkseid??

(I'm not even going to mention the Anti-monitor)

I think not:o

[Elijya]

I doubt you could prove that.
:rolleyes:

[dnno1]

LOL hold back against Doomsday and Darkseid??

(I'm not even going to mention the Anti-monitor)

I think not:o

They still live, don't they?

[dnno1]

:rolleyes:

That still doesn't prove that no one is interested. I am sure that out of the 60% of those who voted on this poll for Superman there would be a significant number of them who are interested.

[Guyverjay]

They still live, don't they?


For the love of god have you actually read Death of Superman, Hunter prey or Doomsday wars?

Also do you even know anything about the anti-monitor (rhetorical)

[dnno1]

For the love of god have you actually read Death of Superman, Hunter prey or Doomsday wars?

Doomsday didn't die. In fact he made a debut in IC #7.

[Guyverjay]

Doomsday didn't die. In fact he made a debut in IC #7.

*bangs head on wall*

Again, you miss the point

Doomsday doesn't live bncause supes holds backs, he lives because thats what he was created to do. Supes for all intents and purposes KILLED doomsday in the first encounter, supes dies as well. Anyone with a brain can see he gave everything he had to stop dooms. In hunter prey supes gets his ass kicked . He's not holding back because if he does he knows he will die, he BARELY survives. Wave rider gets rid of Doomsday for superman.The same deal in Doomsday wars. Doomsday brainiac handed the entire JLA and orion their asses. They tricked Dooms into a teleporter trapping him there. Dooms was more powerful than supes in all those arcs. Why the hell would ANYONE hold back on a foe that physically outclasses them in every way:rolleyes:

[dnno1]

*bangs head on wall*

Again, you miss the point

Doomsday doesn't live bncause supes holds backs, he lives because thats what he was created to do. Supes for all intents and purposes KILLED doomsday in the first encounter, supes dies as well. Anyone with a brain can see he gave everything he had to stop dooms. In hunter prey supes gets his ass kicked . He's not holding back because if he does he knows he will die, he BARELY survives. Wave rider gets rid of Doomsday for superman.The same deal in Doomsday wars. Doomsday brainiac handed the entire JLA and orion their asses. They tricked Dooms into a teleporter trapping him there. Dooms was more powerful than supes in all those arcs. Why the hell would ANYONE hold back on a foe that physically outclasses them in every way:rolleyes:

The point is that Superman IS holding back. Notice that each time he faces Doomsday, who is supposed to be stronger each time he faces him, it takes less and less time for Superman to defeat him. When they first met it took a crossover maxi series to defeat him. In this recent battle, albeit with the help of the GA Superman, Doomsday was defeated in one splash page. That is an indication to me that either Superman has gotten more powerful over the years or he has been holding back, which is the point here. Also keep in mind that pure brute strenght is not a total measure of your true power.

[dnno1]

This link (http://supergoku.ytmnd.com/) is pretty interesting. It comparison of to heroes showing both simlarities and differences. I like how it also states that both have video games that suck.

[dnno1]

http://www.progressiveruin.com/images/supgok3.jpg (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/fan-art/supvsgoku-tb.html)
Superman vs. SSJ3 Goku
(artist unknown)

[dnno1]

Here (http://www.thekryptonian.com/showthread.php?t=3782) is a link to a 16 page manga style illustrated story of a Superman vs. Goku match-up.

[Leto Atrides]

Here (http://www.thekryptonian.com/showthread.php?t=3782) is a link to a 16 page manga style illustrated story of a Superman vs. Goku match-up.

I demand a westerns-style comic version to make it fair and balanced!

I kid. Decent art though.

[Guyverjay]

The point is that Superman IS holding back. Notice that each time he faces Doomsday, who is supposed to be stronger each time he faces him, it takes less and less time for Superman to defeat him. When they first met it took a crossover maxi series to defeat him. In this recent battle, albeit with the help of the GA Superman, Doomsday was defeated in one splash page. That is an indication to me that either Superman has gotten more powerful over the years or he has been holding back, which is the point here. Also keep in mind that pure brute strenght is not a total measure of your true power.



He NEVER defeats Doomsday (pre OWAW) by himself, he always gets help because he can't do it by himself.

First fight he goes all out and has the justice leagues help = result both DIE

Second fight he does NO DAMAGE to doomsday AT ALL even though dooms has had to fight Darkseid and Supes has a motherbox and Wave riders help. Supes gets poisoned,his arm is effortlessly broken and he is concussed. Result Wave rider transports dooms to the end of time

Third fight, he gets his ass competed kicked up and down, resorts to trickery to get brainics mind out of doomsday body. The entire JLA gets taken apart by Doomsday single handedly. Result trick dooms into a telporter keeping him in stasis

In NONE of these fights is superman holding back (with the exception of a part Doomsady wars because of Lana's baby), the narration, supes thoughts and dialogue can confirm this.

You've got it the wrong way round, Dooms has been weakened. After being destroyed by Imperiex he came back as a complete pussy. Unless you think Supes power has gone up so much that he can effortlessly batter a being who could take out GL,WW,Flash, Orion, Plastic man and J'onn by himself?

Please... bloodlusted no holding back Superman LOST to Wonderwoman:rolleyes:

[Guyverjay]

Here (http://www.thekryptonian.com/showthread.php?t=3782) is a link to a 16 page manga style illustrated story of a Superman vs. Goku match-up.


Such a load of crap, everything is completely wrong

[dnno1]

I demand a westerns-style comic version to make it fair and balanced!

I kid. Decent art though.

It's too bad that someone already hold the rights to that phrase. If sombody colorized the pencils it would be a little bit closer to a Western-style comic. I think the artist's real name is Joel Ojeda Lopez, but I'm not quite sure.

[dnno1]

He NEVER defeats Doomsday (pre OWAW) by himself, he always gets help because he can't do it by himself.

First fight he goes all out and has the justice leagues help = result both DIE

Second fight he does NO DAMAGE to doomsday AT ALL even though dooms has had to fight Darkseid and Supes has a motherbox and Wave riders help. Supes gets poisoned,his arm is effortlessly broken and he is concussed. Result Wave rider transports dooms to the end of time

Third fight, he gets his ass competed kicked up and down, resorts to trickery to get brainics mind out of doomsday body. The entire JLA gets taken apart by Doomsday single handedly. Result trick dooms into a telporter keeping him in stasis

In NONE of these fights is superman holding back (with the exception of a part Doomsady wars because of Lana's baby), the narration, supes thoughts and dialogue can confirm this.

You've got it the wrong way round, Dooms has been weakened. After being destroyed by Imperiex he came back as a complete pussy. Unless you think Supes power has gone up so much that he can effortlessly batter a being who could take out GL,WW,Flash, Orion, Plastic man and J'onn by himself?

Please... bloodlusted no holding back Superman LOST to Wonderwoman:rolleyes:

Such is reality. It doesn't matter though because a win is a win no matter how you slice it.

[dnno1]

Such a load of crap, everything is completely wrong

You know you are always free to make your own story.

[Guyverjay]

Such is reality. It doesn't matter though becaus a win is a win no matter how you slice it.


..and how is that even remotely relevent to whether he holds back or not?

But you're right a wins a win and no holding back Superman LOST to Wonder Woman.

Wonder Woman had her ass handed to her so easily in doomsday wars, its hilarious

You know you are always free to make your own story.

Wow thanks for the heads up, I never knew I had free will:eek:

[dnno1]

..and how is that even remotely relevent to whether he holds back or not?

But you're right a wins a win and no holding back Superman LOST to Wonder Woman.

Wonder Woman had her ass handed to her so easily in doomsday wars, its hilarious

That's the other intangeable that I was also trying to bring across, popularity. Although it would seem impossible, Superman was suposedly beaten by Venom, who was a very popular character at that time (and probably still is). I belive that Superman is more popular that Son Goku (just look at this poll) and that has to be a major factor in a battle between the two.



Wow thanks for the heads up, I never knew I had free will:eek:

That's kind of trivial.

[Gotenks]

Here (http://www.thekryptonian.com/showthread.php?t=3782) is a link to a 16 page manga style illustrated story of a Superman vs. Goku match-up.

1. Why does goku look like jackie chan.

2. Goku would never threaten to destroy a city over a fight.

3.Goku would not throw the first punch at someone who didnt want to fight.

4. Goku would not die by something stupid like that.

[saiyan jedi]

[QUOTE=dnno1]That's the other intangeable that I was also trying to bring across, popularity. Although it would seem impossible, Superman was suposedly beaten by Venom, who was a very popular character at that time (and probably still is). I belive that Superman is more popular that Son Goku (just look at this poll) and that has to be a major factor in a battle between the two.

yep.
theres always a couple guys who base
their posts on whos more popular

[Corinthian™]

yep.
theres always a couple guys who base
their posts on whos more popular
not only popular but less childlike and borderline idiotic

if you just try to "read" what the DBZ poster writes, you'll have better luck understanding a letter writen by an 9 year old

[Arkady Rossovich]

If it was a regular match,it would be pretty even.In the end i would have to go with Superman.

[dnno1]

not only popular but less childlike and borderline idiotic

if you just try to "read" what the DBZ poster writes, you'll have better luck understanding a letter writen by an 9 year old

I think it's the other way around. You DBZ posters are crying sour grapes because Superman is more popular. Face it, the man has been around for more than 60 years. He's an Icon. I don't care where you want to hold a poll (as long as it's not skewed and trully random) you will see that more people will vote for Superman over Son Goku. Popularity is a big intangeable and will be the deciding factor in a match such as this.

[Elijya]

well, actually, while Superman is a more recognizalble figure world wide, in terms of revenue I think DBZ tops him because of the massive difference in the popularity of comics and manga between here and Japan. American comics are just a drop in a bucket compared to Japenese Manga.

If this site had more Japanese posters, DBZ would easily be winning

[dnno1]

well, actually, while Superman is a more recognizalble figure world wide, in terms of revenue I think DBZ tops him because of the massive difference in the popularity of comics and manga between here and Japan. American comics are just a drop in a bucket compared to Japenese Manga.

If this site had more Japanese posters, DBZ would easily be winning

Some of what you say is true. Japaneese manga (in general) sell more copies worldwide than western comic titles. In some cases there are titles that sell in the millions (in Japan) versus hundreds of thousans (for the best titles) in the US. This is inpart because the Japaneese cluture is more visual than western cultures and takes a preference to media that is more grapical (as opposed to textual) in nature, but that does not indicate that Son Goku and the Dragonball Universe is/was more popular than Superman.

The Dragonball stories ran from 1984-1995 as a part of Weekly Shonen Jump Manga. Most of the Dragonball stuff you can buy that is manga related are reprints of that original run. I find it hard to believe that in such a short time (22 years) a chacater or series could have sold more books and merchandising than a 60-year-old character like Superman (or for that matter even Spiderman). As a sanity check I Googled the name Dragonball and got 15.2 million hits. I then Googled Superman and got 53.2 million hits. I know that that is kind of crude, but it is an indication that Superman has of far more intrest than Dragonball or Goku (at least among the internet population) so your statement is kind of misleading.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Anime Gokou could probobly destroy the universe. -based on that Burori can destroy a galaxy.
Manga Gokou could destroy a star-system.

While pre-crisis Supes can just move planets...

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Some of what you say is true. Japaneese manga (in general) sell more copies worldwide than western comic titles. In some cases there are titles that sell in the millions (in Japan) versus hundreds of thousans (for the best titles) in the US. This is inpart because the Japaneese cluture is more visual than western cultures and takes a preference to media that is more grapical (as opposed to textual) in nature, but that does not indicate that Son Goku and the Dragonball Universe is/was more popular than Superman.

The Dragonball stories ran from 1984-1995 as a part of Weekly Shonen Jump Manga. Most of the Dragonball stuff you can buy that is manga related are reprints of that original run. I find it hard to believe that in such a short time (22 years) a chacater or series could have sold more books and merchandising than a 60-year-old character like Superman (or for that matter even Spiderman). As a sanity check I Googled the name Dragonball and got 15.2 million hits. I then Googled Superman and got 53.2 million hits. I know that that is kind of crude, but it is an indication that Superman has of far more intrest than Dragonball or Goku (at least among the internet population) so your statement is kind of misleading.
Yes, but still, DB is the most sold comic. with over 125million x42 sold books.

[Harlekin]

And pray tell, where did you get those facts from? :rolleyes:

I also sincerely doubt that DB has outsold Superman completely.

[dnno1]

Anime Gokou could probobly destroy the universe. -based on that Burori can destroy a galaxy.
Manga Gokou could destroy a star-system.

While pre-crisis Supes can just move planets...

Destroying things is easy. Normal human beings can destroy countries and (in theory the world) and they have no real super powers. That is not saying much if you want to use that as a measure of power. I have yet to see a Sayajin move (or for that matter hurl) a planet or create a star (or kiss a woman and make her forget she knew him). Superman is doing this now (forget about pre-crisis).

[SSJ4_Mikael]

And pray tell, where did you get those facts from? :rolleyes:

I also sincerely doubt that DB has outsold Superman completely.
Naturally...
Swedish Shonen Jump, magazine.
It stod under the title,
MOST SOLD COMIC EVER WORLDWIDE.

But the character from anime and manga are completely different.
Raditsu faster than the speed of light.
Burori capable to destroy a galaxy.
Chou Boo-han can destroy reality by torn up dimention's.

There even SSJ2 Gokou would kick Superman Prime's ass.

But in the manga, not even supa Bejito would be able to harm him.

[dnno1]

Naturally...
Swedish Shonen Jump, magazine.
It stod under the title,
MOST SOLD COMIC EVER WORLDWIDE.

But the character from anime and manga are completely different.
Raditsu faster than the speed of light.
Burori capable to destroy a galaxy.
Chou Boo-han can destroy reality by torn up dimention's.

There even SSJ2 Gokou would kick Superman Prime's ass.

But in the manga, not even supa Bejito would be able to harm him.

Shonen Jump is a weekly magazine that features a number of comics (not only Dragonball). The magazine sells about 3 million copies a week in Japan, but the Dragonball run stopped printing original stories 11 years ago. Anything you buy now is in reprint. Superman is still selling original stories and I am quite sure that he has sold more books (as well as merchandising) than Dragonball. For crying out loud, he had a 50 year head start.

[dnno1]

Here (http://www.thekryptonian.com/showpost.php?p=204862&postcount=1) is a list of some other feats that superman has accomplished. I seriously don't think that Sayajins are that powerful.

[saiyan jedi]

Here (http://www.thekryptonian.com/showpost.php?p=204862&postcount=1) is a list of some other feats that superman has accomplished. I seriously don't think that Sayajins are that powerful.
THAT list didn't seem that impressive
(but i have seen ones that are).
based on that list of feats goku
should be able to beat him
at the cell games

[Harlekin]

Shonen Jump is a weekly magazine that features a number of comics (not only Dragonball). The magazine sells about 3 million copies a week in Japan, but the Dragonball run stopped printing original stories 11 years ago. Anything you buy now is in reprint. Superman is still selling original stories and I am quite sure that he has sold more books (as well as merchandising) than Dragonball. For crying out loud, he had a 50 year head start.
Exactly. DB isn't going to be outselling a comic that's been around since 1938

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Shonen Jump is a weekly magazine that features a number of comics (not only Dragonball). The magazine sells about 3 million copies a week in Japan, but the Dragonball run stopped printing original stories 11 years ago. Anything you buy now is in reprint. Superman is still selling original stories and I am quite sure that he has sold more books (as well as merchandising) than Dragonball. For crying out loud, he had a 50 year head start.
125M total sets.
That's 5,25G comics.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

3thousands times the earth that power aint even enough to destroy the sun, not to mention the solarsystem or even galaxies.

Blocked a blast which could destroy a island... Jackie Chun could destroy the moon which's 1 third of earth size... Island, lol

[SSJ4_Mikael]

It's a better comic than Superman, since 42 volumes sold more than thousands of Superman.

However Superman will be more sold since they still making the series

[Guyverjay]

Exactly. DB isn't going to be outselling a comic that's been around since 1938

I don't see why not

The avergae comic nowadya is considered a hit if it sells 100,000 copies a MONTH. In its hey day Shonen jump sold over 8 MILLION copies a WEEK.

Even factoring in the head start I say its possible especially considering the decline in popularity of comics at the tail end of the golden age and Spider-man and Marvel thoroughly ass kicking Superman and DC during the silver age

Definately head to head Shonen Jump trounces superman to this very day

[Guyverjay]

Destroying things is easy. Normal human beings can destroy countries and (in theory the world) and they have no real super powers. That is not saying much if you want to use that as a measure of power. I have yet to see a Sayajin move (or for that matter hurl) a planet or create a star (or kiss a woman and make her forget she knew him). Superman is doing this now (forget about pre-crisis).

No destroying a planet is NOT easy:rolleyes:

Every nuke on earth blowing up at the same time wouldn't destroy earth so stop talking rubbish.

LOL you think the utterly retarded amnesia kiss is a good show of power? bwhahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

Whats really funny is Goku stopped having stories 10 years ago whilst supes is still going to this very day. Thus his feats get more extensive and his power gets raised all the time. Head to head (ie when they were both published) Goku would have picked his ass with Superman. In fact if Torayama finished DB partly because he found it difficult to do anything more with Goku because he'd have to keep making him more and more powerful. Those were the rules he made for him (a SSJ has potentially unlimited power). He painted himself into a corner with the character.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Superman aint that bad, serriosly I think he's cooler than Gokou,
exept that he runs around in a PJ with his underpants showing.
And maybe the fact that he is afraid to show his identity.

And Chou Son-Gohan was more powerful than SSJ3 Son-Gokou in the manga.

[Guyverjay]

And Chou Son-Gohan was more powerful than SSJ3 Son-Gokou in the manga.

At the time,but that means nothing. Gohan was at his peak.

Goku was not.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

No destroying a planet is NOT easy:rolleyes:

Every nuke on earth blowing up at the same time wouldn't destroy earth so stop talking rubbish.

LOL you think the utterly retarded amnesia kiss is a good show of power? bwhahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

Whats really funny is Goku stopped having stories 10 years ago whilst supes is still going to this very day. Thus his feats get more extensive and his power gets raised all the time. Head to head (ie when they were both published) Goku would have picked his ass with Superman. In fact if Torayama finished DB partly because he found it difficult to do anything more with Goku because he'd have to keep making him more and more powerful. Those were the rules he made for him (a SSJ has potentially unlimited power). He painted himself into a corner with the character.
IN WWII THERE WHERE ENOUGH NUKES ON EARTH TO BLOW IT UP 400 TIMES.
TODAY IT'S JUST ABOUT 25 TIMES.

[Spare-Flair]

IN WWII THERE WHERE ENOUGH NUKES ON EARTH TO BLOW IT UP 400 TIMES.
TODAY IT'S JUST ABOUT 25 TIMES.

What are you drinking man?

In WWII there were approx. 4 working atomic weapons. The first two were tests. The remaining uranium based and one plutonium weapon were used on Japan. There were ZERO nuclear weapons until 1953-54.

To "blow up earth" requires approximately 240,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules (240 septillion J) of energy to overcome the gravitational binding energy of earth.

The bomb on Hiroshima had about 63 trillion J of energy. To blow up the earth, you would need 3.8 billion of those bombs...So you are basically saying that in WWII there 400 times that so there were 152 billion atomic weapons in WWII??? You're crazy. There has never been enough nuclear material on earth to destroy the planet.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

What are you drinking man?

In WWII there were approx. 4 working atomic weapons. The first two were tests. The remaining uranium based and one plutonium weapon were used on Japan. There were ZERO nuclear weapons until 1953-54.

To "blow up earth" requires approximately 240,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules (240 septillion J) of energy to overcome the gravitational binding energy of earth.

The bomb on Hiroshima had about 63 trillion J of energy. To blow up the earth, you would need 3.8 billion of those bombs...So you are basically saying that in WWII there 400 times that so there were 152 billion atomic weapons in WWII??? You're crazy.There has never been enough nuclear material on earth to destroy the planet.
WELL, ONE OF MY TEACHERS TOLD ME THAT.
AT OUR PEAK WE COULD DESROY THE EARTH 400 TIMES. -DUNNO IF IT WAS WWII THOUGH-
TODAY JUST 25.

BESIDE NOT EVERY NUKE IS AS POWERFUL AS ANY ELSE.
THERE ARE BOMBS THAT CAN DESROY COUNTRIES AND THOSE WHO JUST CAN BLOW UP CITIES.

[Warhammer]

WELL, ONE OF MY TEACHERS TOLD ME THAT.
AT OUR PEAK WE COULD DESROY THE EARTH 400 TIMES. -DUNNO IF IT WAS WWII THOUGH-
TODAY JUST 25.

BESIDE NOT EVERY NUKE IS AS POWERFUL AS ANY ELSE.
THERE ARE BOMBS THAT CAN DESROY COUNTRIES AND THOSE WHO JUST CAN BLOW UP CITIES.

[Colonel Sanders]Well, You're teacher's wrong![/Colonel Sanders]

Actually, I wouldn't know.
Just felt like giving my 2 cents.

:D

[Spare-Flair]

WELL, ONE OF MY TEACHERS TOLD ME THAT.
AT OUR PEAK WE COULD DESROY THE EARTH 400 TIMES. -DUNNO IF IT WAS WWII THOUGH-
TODAY JUST 25.

BESIDE NOT EVERY NUKE IS AS POWERFUL AS ANY ELSE.
THERE ARE BOMBS THAT CAN DESROY COUNTRIES AND THOSE WHO JUST CAN BLOW UP CITIES.

Just a suggestion, but after a certain age, you can stop typing in all capitals. The largest nuclear bomb was 50 megatons detonated by Russia in the 1961 and that's hardly enough to destroy anything except a very very very small island. Nuclear weapons are no where near as powerful as you think. The danger is from radiation and fall-out, not initial blast.

Your teacher was probably referring to the cold war, but you should learn to do your own research instead of listening to teachers which I doubt are privy to military intelligence on nuclear arsenals.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

[Colonel Sanders]Well, You're teacher's wrong![/Colonel Sanders]

Actually, I wouldn't know.
Just felt like giving my 2 cents.

:D
next time i see him i'll ask where he got it from.

[dnno1]

I don't see why not

The avergae comic nowadya is considered a hit if it sells 100,000 copies a MONTH. In its hey day Shonen jump sold over 8 MILLION copies a WEEK.

Even factoring in the head start I say its possible especially considering the decline in popularity of comics at the tail end of the golden age and Spider-man and Marvel thoroughly ass kicking Superman and DC during the silver age

Definately head to head Shonen Jump trounces superman to this very day

Like I said before, you have to consider the cultures involved here. Japaneese culture is more visual (as to why their alphabet uses characters instead of letters) whereas Western cultures are more textual. Therefore, picture books are all the rage in Japan and hence sell in such high volume. On the other hand that is not the case in Western cultures. If you'll notice Shonen Jump manga sells for around (US) $10 in the west compared to about $2-$3 in Japan. This is due to the high volume of books that are sold in Japan versus the west (the publisher can afford to sell it for less and still make a still make his profit). This still doesn't mean that Superman is not anymore popular. Keep in mind that the Superman franchise consists of more than just a few long running comicbook titles. It is also merchadising, television showsm and films (something that Goku and DB has yet to catch up to). When Son Goku gets to 40+ years and reaches icon status, then you can start challenging Supermans popularity. Outside of that, this is all I can say about a match-up between the two:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/thoom.jpg (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/?)

[saiyan jedi]

IN WWII THERE WHERE ENOUGH NUKES ON EARTH TO BLOW IT UP 400 TIMES.
TODAY IT'S JUST ABOUT 25 TIMES.
there have never been enough nukes to destroy earth
just mess up the suface
actually destorying the earth takes MUCH more
power

[dnno1]

No destroying a planet is NOT easy:rolleyes:

Every nuke on earth blowing up at the same time wouldn't destroy earth so stop talking rubbish.

LOL you think the utterly retarded amnesia kiss is a good show of power? bwhahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

Whats really funny is Goku stopped having stories 10 years ago whilst supes is still going to this very day. Thus his feats get more extensive and his power gets raised all the time. Head to head (ie when they were both published) Goku would have picked his ass with Superman. In fact if Torayama finished DB partly because he found it difficult to do anything more with Goku because he'd have to keep making him more and more powerful. Those were the rules he made for him (a SSJ has potentially unlimited power). He painted himself into a corner with the character.

I threw the amnesia kiss in for laughs. Actually I never said that (we) humans could destroy a planet. I said (in theory) they could destroy the world (which means all life on the planet). My point here was that it is easy to destroy things - much easier than it is to create. So destroying thing is not all that impressive.

[The Hurricane]

As someone who loves both characters and is well educated in both areas. Not with Superman prime but thats the thing with this pole. It isnt superman prime. I believe Goku would win. Superman Prime well thats another arguement. But yes this is a popularity contest

[Guyverjay]

Like I said before, you have to consider the cultures involved here. Japaneese culture is more visual (as to why their alphabet uses characters instead of letters) whereas Western cultures are more textual. Therefore, picture books are all the rage in Japan and hence sell in such high volume. On the other hand that is not the case in Western cultures. If you'll notice Shonen Jump manga sells for around (US) $10 in the west compared to about $2-$3 in Japan. This is due to the high volume of books that are sold in Japan versus the west (the publisher can afford to sell it for less and still make a still make his profit). This still doesn't mean that Superman is not anymore popular. Keep in mind that the Superman franchise consists of more than just a few long running comicbook titles. It is also merchadising, television showsm and films (something that Goku and DB has yet to catch up to). When Son Goku gets to 40+ years and reaches icon status, then you can start challenging Supermans popularity. Outside of that, this is all I can say about a match-up between the two:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/thoom.jpg (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/?)


Geez you really do spout alot of irrelevent rubbish don't you?

I merely stated that its certainly possible (and probably lilely) for Shonen jump to haver outsold superman despite supes being around alot longer. The reasons why, supermans merchandising and pretty much everything else you said is irrelevent

I mentioned nothing about popularity either


I threw the amnesia kiss in for laughs. Actually I never said that (we) humans could destroy a planet. I said (in theory) they could destroy the world (which means all life on the planet). My point here was that it is easy to destroy things - much easier than it is to create. So destroying thing is not all that impressive.


Also irrelevent when we are talking about battle.

Gokus ability to destroy a body that a billion nukes cannot represents serious power. Being able to terraform a planet using the power cosmic (silver surfer) is also a display of serious power but that wont help surf when he's fighting Thanos.

I'm sure Leonardo da vinci can paint a better picture than Bruce Lee but I don't see him winning in a fight:up:

[dnno1]

Geez you really do spout alot of irrelevent rubbish don't you?

I merely stated that its certainly possible (and probably lilely) for Shonen jump to haver outsold superman despite supes being around alot longer. The reasons why, supermans merchandising and pretty much everything else you said is irrelevent

I mentioned nothing about popularity either
I think that you and others are trying to imply that DB and hence Goku is more popular than Superman due to the amount of comic books (which by the way he featured in along with other stories) sold. The bottom line is that Goku is no way as popular as Superman (and this is relevant). If that is not your point, then you shouldn't be bringing this issue about the number of comic books he sold up.





Also irrelevent when we are talking about battle.

Gokus ability to destroy a body that a billion nukes cannot represents serious power. Being able to terraform a planet using the power cosmic (silver surfer) is also a display of serious power but that wont help surf when he's fighting Thanos.

I'm sure Leonardo da vinci can paint a better picture than Bruce Lee but I don't see him winning in a fight:up:
I will cut to the chase here since it is obvious that you don't understand what I am saying or don't want to. Destructive capability is not a sole indicator of one opponent being able to defeat another. If given the right setting even the weakest of us can destroy the most formidable of things. If Leonardo DaVinci were given the time to prepare for a fight against Bruce Lee he would have built this and used this on him:

http://www.leonardo.net/p9.jpg
Multi Barrel Gun
(invented by Leonardo DaVinci)

DaVinci may not have known karate but he did know Gun-Fu (among other things (http://www.leonardo.net/weapons.html#weapons)):). Just because you can destroy things does not equate into being able to win in battle. That takes the combination of strength, skill, and cunning (smarts). In the world of fiction though, popularity is also a significant intangeable that will decide the outcome, which I think Superman has hands down.

[Shadow_Knight]

Goku without a dought.

[Aidan06]

I think that you and others are trying to imply that DB and hence Goku is more popular than Superman due to the amount of comic books (which by the way he featured in along with other stories) sold. The bottom line is that Goku is no way as popular as Superman (and this is relevant). If that is not your point, then you shouldn't be bringing this issue about the number of comic books he sold up.






I will cut to the chase here since it is obvious that you don't understand what I am saying or don't want to. Destructive capability is not a sole indicator of one opponent being able to defeat another. If given the right setting even the weakest of us can destroy the most formidable of things. If Leonardo DaVinci were given the time to prepare for a fight against Bruce Lee he would have built this and used this on him:

http://www.leonardo.net/p9.jpg
Multi Barrel Gun
(invented by Leonardo DaVinci)

DaVinci may not have known karate but he did know Gun-Fu (among other things (http://www.leonardo.net/weapons.html#weapons)):). Just because you can destroy things does not equate into being able to win in battle. That takes the combination of strength, skill, and cunning (smarts). In the world of fiction though, popularity is also a significant intangeable that will decide the outcome, which I think Superman has hands down.

and you think some idiot with a gun is more honorable and better than a guy who has a TRUE skill, a legend? ¬¬

[Gotenks]

Bruce lee would murder that guy no doubt even with that thing.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

What about some. blow up the planet they are fighting on and instant-transmission out of there so the other one suffocate, run out of oxygen.

[Leto Atrides]

and you think some idiot with a gun is more honorable and better than a guy who has a TRUE skill, a legend? ¬¬

Are you saying Bruce Lee is more of a legend and has more skill than Leonardo DaVinci?

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Are you saying Bruce Lee is more of a legend and has more skill than Leonardo DaVinci?'
Well you put them both in a cage and said that only one could leave alive, then I'd bet my cents on Lee-san

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

superman has the cool outfit, goku has a monkey tail sticking out of his ass

superman fights darkseid the sovereign ruler of apokolips, goku fights a big pink dude that looks like kirby after a course of steroids

superman has a fortress of solitude, goku lives in a bubble

superman is a member of the justice leauge of america, the greatest collection of heroes the earth of has ever seen, all with the coolest outfits ever in the history of everything who have saved the world and the universe contless times

goku helps a old green wrinky alien who has a black manservant and then goes "training" for a few years while his kid and friends get the **** beaten out of them !!!

superman :up:

the dude with the tail sticking out of his ass :down



goku would kill all them , even the kids who get the s#!t beat out of them... goku is just as fast(in a fight) if not faster than superman..goku's battle knowledge is far superoir to superman's..he may be dumb in other cases but battle wise, hes a fighting machine..also in the dragonball universe goku and the z fighters are earths version of the justice league

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

oh and i extremly late with that quote and reply lol

[Leto Atrides]

'
Well you put them both in a cage and said that only one could leave alive, then I'd bet my cents on Lee-san

Bruce Lee was a martial artist and actor. da Vinci was one of the worlds greatest artists, scientists and inventors and a genius.

Who the hell cares who would win in a cage fight?

The guy said Lee was more of and more honorable and "better" than some "idiot with a gun."

Are you really going to try to defend that?

[Guyverjay]

I think that you and others are trying to imply that DB and hence Goku is more popular than Superman due to the amount of comic books (which by the way he featured in along with other stories) sold. The bottom line is that Goku is no way as popular as Superman (and this is relevant). If that is not your point, then you shouldn't be bringing this issue about the number of comic books he sold up.


I don't give a rats ass what you THINK I'm trying to say. I KNOW what I'm saying. I merely responding to some ones else point about units sold. I didn't bring up popularity. I'll sayi it again its likely that shonen jump has outsold superman. THATS IT, thats the only point I was making:rolleyes:




I will cut to the chase here since it is obvious that you don't understand what I am saying or don't want to. Destructive capability is not a sole indicator of one opponent being able to defeat another. If given the right setting even the weakest of us can destroy the most formidable of things. If Leonardo DaVinci were given the time to prepare for a fight against Bruce Lee he would have built this and used this on him:


http://www.leonardo.net/p9.jpg
Multi Barrel Gun
(invented by Leonardo DaVinci)

You actually bothered to bring up "prep time"? With Prep time Bruce would throw a shuriken through leos eye before he could get that ancient contraption of his to even work. Btw I NEVER said being able to destoy was the sole measure of power. Wow you should become a porn star since you seem enjoying putting things (words just incase you don't get it) into peoples mouths

DaVinci may not have known karate but he did know Gun-Fu (among other things (http://www.leonardo.net/weapons.html#weapons)):). Just because you can destroy things does not equate into being able to win in battle. That takes the combination of strength, skill, and cunning (smarts). In the world of fiction though, popularity is also a significant intangeable that will decide the outcome, which I think Superman has hands down.

Did I say it did? But in a fight with Goku superman being able to do Planetscape gardening means NOTHING. Goku is a martial arts master, a man dediacted to the art of fighting. I think that would no doubt come in handy in a fist fight don't you:rolleyes:. As for popualrity don't make me laugh, totally irrelevent. Thats like me saying well Spider-man can beat the Living tribunal because he's obviously more popular:rolleyes:

[dnno1]

and you think some idiot with a gun is more honorable and better than a guy who has a TRUE skill, a legend? ¬¬

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/INDIANA_JONES_RAIDERS_LOST_ARK-6.jpg

Did you ever see that scene in "Raiders of the Lost Arc" where Indiana Jones takes out the Arabian swordsman with his pistol? My answer to your question is yes. A win is a win.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

superman can even beat super buu

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

cant*

[Guyverjay]

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/INDIANA_JONES_RAIDERS_LOST_ARK-6.jpg

Did you ever see that scene in "Raiders of the Lost Arc" where Indiana Jones takes out the Arabian swordsman with his pistol? My answer to your question is yes.


LOL and how did that guy have skill?

He stood still waving his sword around like a show boating buffoon

Besides all you have to do is bring up a another Ford film-- stars wars-- to see what someone with a blaster will accomplish against a trained lightsabre weilder:up:

[dnno1]

LOL and how did that guy have skill?

He stood still waving his sword around like a show boating buffoon

Besides all you have to do is bring up a another Ford film-- stars wars-- to see what someone with a blaster will accomplish against a trained lightsabre weilder:up:

He had skill as a swordsman, and if Jones had chose to fight him in that arena it is most certain that he would have lost (his life). Being powerful is being able to overcome adversity with out any rules or restrictions and being able to overcome requires the right balance of skill, cunning, and strength. If anything was idiotic it was your insinuation that DaVinci would have to fight Bruce Lee in a cage match. That's like telling Batman to fight the Hulk without his utility belt.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Bruce Lee was a martial artist and actor. da Vinci was one of the worlds greatest artists, scientists and inventors and a genius.

Who the hell cares who would win in a cage fight?

The guy said Lee was more of and more honorable and "better" than some "idiot with a gun."

Are you really going to try to defend that?
nope, i am on the-one-that-invented-the-prototype-of-the-tank-and-airplane's side

[dnno1]

Bruce lee would murder that guy no doubt even with that thing.

A firearm is a standoff weapon and hence martial arts are ineffective. Without a comparable weapon, Bruce Lee would loose.

[PWN3R]

Are people really arguing about this??? :confused:


Wow.....:(

[dnno1]

I hope you guys are having fun. ^Nice avatar^

[Leto Atrides]

nope, i am on the-one-that-invented-the-prototype-of-the-tank-and-airplane's side

:up::up::up:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

What about some. blow up the planet they are fighting on and instant-transmission out of there so the other one suffocate, run out of oxygen.
note my quote

let's get on topic again.

[dnno1]

*:) *

[Leto Atrides]

note my quote

let's get on topic again.

Supes can hold his breath in space for a good while. Not saying that means he'd win, but he wouldn't die from being in space. He actually does it on occasion to travel. Though his lung capacity is limited (I believe it's to an hour, maybe a few assuming he's not exerting himself. If someone could provide more on this, that'd be good).

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Supes can hold his breath in space for a good while.
While he do that Gokou drinks Coke on the planet of Gods.

[The Hurricane]

Well the "pop poll" is even at the moment

[dnno1]

I don't give a rats ass what you THINK I'm trying to say. I KNOW what I'm saying. I merely responding to some ones else point about units sold. I didn't bring up popularity. I'll sayi it again its likely that shonen jump has outsold superman. THATS IT, thats the only point I was making.

I seriously doubt that Goku has outsold Superman in merchandising. And the number of units sold, be it comic books, T-sirts, television episodes, et. al., can be equated to popularity (and remember I have already given the illustration of the amount of intrest between the two on the Internet). Like I said before if popularity is not your point here you should not have brought up the issue of the number of books sold (because I think that is what you are trying to indicate here). if you don't care about what I think the maybe you shoud stay out of this discussion.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Look manga is read in all of Japan, bigger part of Asia, and a litle in America and Europe.
Manga in Japan is about as big as TV.
In US there are a lot of comic reader true, but nothing compared to the amoout of manga viewer in Jap.
And DB is the most sold manga through time

[Harlekin]

What about some. blow up the planet they are fighting on and instant-transmission out of there so the other one suffocate, run out of oxygen.
Are you insinuating that Gokuu would blow up the planet in order to win? If you are, then you have no grasp of Gokuu's character whatsoever.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Well Supa Kanzentaini Seru would, and SSJ2 Gokou's stronger.

[Harlekin]

Well Supa Kanzentaini Seru would, and SSJ2 Gokou's stronger.
Still missing my point. Gokuu would not blow up the planet.

[saiyan jedi]

Still missing my point. Gokuu would not blow up the planet.
he might if it is a desolate uninhabited planet

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

i love dragonball z, it is the greatest action cartoon ever made.. goku is a god on the show, he beats everything (like superman) that stands in his way..but i would give ssj4 or any ssj level goku the victor over pre and post crisis superman..goku lives and breaths fighting and training...he has mastered every form he has incountered..goku has moves and techniques that superman has never seen and will be confused on how to beat him..goku is very battle wise..he doesnt need to blow up the planet..i dont think superman can keep up with battle speed, i mean look at wat doomsday did to him..doomsday to me is like cell bulked up..hes strong but his speed is compramised.and dooms day killed superman with punches whos sound shattered windows..but not buildings.... the hard thing to say is if he can beat this prime guy..i mean ive never seen him fight, all i know is what ive read about him and he seems really strong..i mean he has a 15,000 year advantage over goku in training( i consider laying in the sun gathering energy training) so he might actually win, on the other hand ive never seen what goku can do after absorbing the dragonballs, so i cant say how much his power has increased...so u really cant compare the 2, its not fair and no one has solid proof...one more point, if at the end of dragonball gt they said goku was off to train in the spirit and time chamber 4 15000 years and had unlimited senzu beans then at the end of it he had to fight superman prime, id have my money on goku

[Gotenks]

Yes Goku is getting the credit he deserves(I dont mean what that guy said above)! 33 to 34 he is catching up!

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Yes Goku is getting the credit he deserves(I dont mean what that guy said above)! 33 to 34 he is catching up!

LOL BUT WAT I SAID IS TRUE THO

[red-five]

goku
supes is no slouch
but he just cant stand up to
someone liek goku

[Corinthian™]

you people with dragonball related names surely can't read. It's not about fighting, it's about popularity

and seriously, someone who dares to think Superman is less popular deserves to be shot:(

http://supermangokufinalbattle.ytmnd.com/

and for the simple fact that this thread is in the Anime forum it's not fair

[red-five]

you people with dragonball related names surely can't read. It's not about fighting, it's about popularity

and seriously, someone who dares to think Superman is less popular deserves to be shot:(

http://supermangokufinalbattle.ytmnd.com/

and for the simple fact that this thread is in the Anime forum it's not fair
there was a thread
like this at comicbookrumbles.com(very simulair to the hype)
and goku won the poll
and THAT is a very diverse forum

[dnno1]

you people with dragonball related names surely can't read. It's not about fighting, it's about popularity

and seriously, someone who dares to think Superman is less popular deserves to be shot:(

http://supermangokufinalbattle.ytmnd.com/

and for the simple fact that this thread is in the Anime forum it's not fair

I thought you started this thread. :confused:

[ghostrider4ever]

Goku wins this by a long shot, but in a popularity contest i will say superman wins. Besides goku is one heck of a martial artist.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Goku wins this by a long shot, but in a popularity contest i will say superman wins. Besides goku is one heck of a martial artist.
You got it backwords...
Superman would drag Gokou through the seven anguish of hell.
With ease if I might add.
When the Dragonball have sold 125,000,000 times 42 volumes worldwide.
But I think more people know of Supes, especially American's.

[ghostrider4ever]

You got it backwords...
Superman would drag Gokou through the seven anguish of hell.
With ease if I might add.
When the Dragonball have sold 125,000,000 times 42 volumes worldwide.
But I think more people know of Supes, especially American's.

Ok SSJ4-mikeal prove it. It's easier said than done. Goku already beat superman is some random magazine, so you are painfully mistakened. Yes, i do agree that superman is mor populer though but that's about it. In japan, manga is as big as television. In American superman is more popular.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Ok SSJ4-mikeal prove it. It's easier said than done. Goku already beat superman is some random magazine, so you are painfully mistakened. Yes, i do agree that superman is mor populer though but that's about it. In japan, manga is as big as television. In American superman is more popular.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif
Ehh... I guess that you're aware of that Superman moved planet's in Infinite-universe, Gokou had problem lifting 40 tons...

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Ehh... I guess that you're aware of that Superman moved planet's in Infinite-universe, Gokou had problem lifting 40 tons...

first of all it was 40 tons x10 since he was on a planet with 10x earth's gravity so that 400 tons...100 tons on each arm and leg...and once he powered up it was like nothing

second of all that was goku at base form..since superman has no base and his power is always at full then u have to put goku at his max which is ssj4. and belive u me ss4 goku could fight with a million tons on his arms and legs...plus if they actually showed gokus power at ssj4, there wouldnt be a show....

[SSJ4_Mikael]

actually south-kaioshin changed Gokou's gravity...
so it was exactly 40 earth tons...

It's wierd, when Gokou first appeared he threw a car aprox. 1 ton
And he have gotten millions of times stronger til the training after Seru saga.
Still he just could handle 40 tons...

SSj4 Gokou manage to lift half a city... When exerting to max.
Not exactly million ton's there I think...

A planet however need billion of times if not trillion as much energy.

[dnno1]

first of all it was 40 tons x10 since he was on a planet with 10x earth's gravity so that 400 tons...100 tons on each arm and leg...and once he powered up it was like nothing

second of all that was goku at base form..since superman has no base and his power is always at full then u have to put goku at his max which is ssj4. and belive u me ss4 goku could fight with a million tons on his arms and legs...plus if they actually showed gokus power at ssj4, there wouldnt be a show....

SSj4 is not considered a cannon level since it was not used in the manga, but even if that level were used, a planet (like the Earth) weighs more than 4 million tons (it's more like 6.6 X 10^21 or 6.6 zetta tons). You can forget about the whole pretence of pre and post crisis Superman (and even Superman-Prime) because it's begining to become quite obvious they are the same person and that his power builds up as he absorbs more (yellow) sun rays (Superman Prime being the ultimate level). I have yet to see a Sayajin physically move a planet BTW.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

SSj4 is not considered a cannon level since it was not used in the manga, but even if that level were used, a planet (like the Earth) weighs more than 4 million tons (it's more like 6.6 X 10^21 or 6.6 zetta tons). You can forget about the whole pretence of pre and post crisis Superman (and even Superman-Prime) because is begining to become quite obvious that these are the same person and that his power builds up as he absorbs more (yellow) sun rays. I have yet to see a Sayajin physically move a planet.
What a terrible thing to do... You're right now running over this guy's icon with a steamroller... Keep the good work up DNNO1 :up: :)

[Leto Atrides]

Ok SSJ4-mikeal prove it. It's easier said than done. Goku already beat superman is some random magazine, so you are painfully mistakened. Yes, i do agree that superman is mor populer though but that's about it. In japan, manga is as big as television. In American superman is more popular.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

Alright then, no one had realized Goku had beat him in "some random magazine" (which by the way was Wizard and is not canon for either series). This debate is over.
Apparently, spelling "mistaken", "popular", and "more"(:confused:) correctly is also easier said then done.

[red-five]

Alright then, no one had realized Goku had beat him in "some random magazine" (which by the way was Wizard and is not canon for either series)..
well thats the closest thing 2 a fight between the two we
have so we'll have to take that to account

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Perhaps... but who was the judge
I can make a comic stripe where Supes mop the floor with Gokou's head.

Beside that was Post-crsis, maybe even the one from TAS.
Pre-crisis is an other story...

[dnno1]

well thats the closest thing 2 a fight between the two we
have so we'll have to take that to account

You should read this (http://www.thekryptonian.com/showthread.php?t=3782).

[Leto Atrides]

well thats the closest thing 2 a fight between the two we
have so we'll have to take that to account

It's been said, but it was essentially just a fan thing.

Besides, Wizard's not the most well-respected magazine, even (or rather especially) among most comic fans.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

superman juggled planets and all that , first of all how the hell can u juggle a planet? its impossible. im not talkin strenght either, its literally impossible..and why does goku need to do that when he can just blow it up? superman cant do that. so in a race to see who could destroy the most planets, who would win? second of all ssj4 goku was alot stronger then wat they made him out to be...i think they do this just to give u a good show, because goku pushed mountains apart so strenght is no issue

[Leto Atrides]

superman juggled planets and all that , first of all how the hell can u juggle a planet? its impossible. im not talkin strenght either, its literally impossible..and why does goku need to do that when he can just blow it up? superman cant do that. so in a race to see who could destroy the most planets, who would win? second of all ssj4 goku was alot stronger then wat they made him out to be...i think they do this just to give u a good show, because goku pushed mountains apart so strenght is no issue

POPULARITY CONTEST
POPULARITY CONTEST
POPULARITY CONTEST
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
POPULARITY CONTEST

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

if superman was a regular man with some strength as well as goku..who would win if all the had were there fighting ability

[Gotenks]

LOL BUT WAT I SAID IS TRUE THO

Yeah sure w/e
:o

[Gotenks]

What?!?!?! Why are u giving superman the down grade Goku would whoop him no matter what. If anything lower Goku's power!

[Warhammer]

Without the other super abilities that Superman has, Goku could beat him down.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

What?!?!?! Why are u giving superman the down grade Goku would whoop him no matter what. If anything lower Goku's power!

nah im just proving a point that goku is a better fighter so if u keep upping each ones strenght, the fighting ability will still be the same

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Some just never give up...............

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Yeah sure w/e
:o

i guess u know eveything huh? next time ill consult u before i post something..ok

[Tsunulia]

Make




It







Stop!



:( Please?

[Warhammer]

Haha, Isn't this the 384629205 Goku vs. Superman thread?
That's all the Anime forum is now.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

plus superman "may" have more strenght but goku by far has more power

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Haha, Isn't this the 384629205 Goku vs. Superman thread?
That's all the Anime forum is now.


lol...it has to live on

[Warhammer]

......

[Leto Atrides]

plus superman "may" have more strenght but goku by far has more power

The Superman vs. Goku issue has been discussed many times before you joined. It has been discussed many times before I joined. Every argument for either side has been used dozens of times over. It will never reach a conclusion. Don't bother.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

power and strength are 2 different things

[red-five]

The Superman vs. Goku issue has been discussed many times before you joined. It has been discussed many times before I joined. Every argument for either side has been used dozens of times over. It will never reach a conclusion. Don't bother.
true

but as long as theres
fanboys this match will rage on

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

i know but i like to give my imput..ive been reading that why i decided 2 join, but hey i dont take it that seriously..its just a cartoon

[Leto Atrides]

power and strength are 2 different things

No one disagreed with you.

Know what, good luck everybody, I give up.

[dnno1]

superman juggled planets and all that , first of all how the hell can u juggle a planet? its impossible. im not talkin strenght either, its literally impossible..and why does goku need to do that when he can just blow it up? superman cant do that. so in a race to see who could destroy the most planets, who would win? second of all ssj4 goku was alot stronger then wat they made him out to be...i think they do this just to give u a good show, because goku pushed mountains apart so strenght is no issue

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7923/supermansheatvison2np.jpg


In this splash page, Superman is flying by the sun to stop the Cannabal planet from destroying the sun. This also proves that Supes is able to blow up a planet aswell. He also heated up a plaent with his Heat Vision before too.

[Gotenks]

Without the other super abilities that Superman has, Goku could beat him down.

With the other super abilities superman has, Goku could beat him down!

[Warhammer]

With the other super abilities superman has, Goku could beat him down!

But Superman will still get his licks.
You can't disagree with me on that.

[Gotenks]

Of course. Its not a fight if just one person is throwing the punches.
Im just saying superman loses to goku no matter what the situation is.

[Gotenks]

nah im just proving a point that goku is a better fighter so if u keep upping each ones strenght, the fighting ability will still be the same

It doesn't matter how you title it.
Its still Goku vs Superman.

[Warhammer]

lol...it has to live on

Oh dear. :) :O :(

[saiyan jedi]

goku

[SsM]

why.... why couldnt you just put this in the goku vs dc/marvel thread.... :(

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

damn dude i bet u looked through your collection all day for that one......but that planet doesnt look to be blowin up, plus goku can make an energy ball the size of a planet if he wanted 2

[dnno1]

damn dude i bet u looked through your collection all day for that one......but that planet doesnt look to be blowin up, plus goku can make an energy ball the size of a planet if he wanted 2

No, I didn't. I found this on the Internet (and I did it in under 30 minutes). If you took the time to investigate, you could have found it as well.

[Gotenks]

i guess u know eveything huh? next time ill consult u before i post something..ok

Good call.
PM me before you say something stupid.

[saiyan jedi]

No, I didn't. I found this on the Internet (and I did it in under 30 minutes). If you took the time to investigate, you could have found it as well.
lol u searched for 30mins

[Corinthian™]

lol u searched for 30mins
lol you write like a 10 year old:down:(

[saiyan jedi]

its called slang
jack@$$

[Corinthian™]

its called slang
jack@$$
it's called being lazy and not caring, jackass

[saiyan jedi]

it's called being lazy and not caring, jackass
no actually its slang
u dont liek it then leave

[dnno1]

lol u searched for 30mins

I said less than 30 minutes (more like 20).

[dnno1]

superman juggled planets and all that , first of all how the hell can u juggle a planet? its impossible. im not talkin strenght either, its literally impossible..and why does goku need to do that when he can just blow it up? superman cant do that. so in a race to see who could destroy the most planets, who would win? second of all ssj4 goku was alot stronger then wat they made him out to be...i think they do this just to give u a good show, because goku pushed mountains apart so strenght is no issue

http://supermanica.info/wiki/images/d/dc/Superboytowingplanets.jpg
Superboy Hauling Planets
(circa July, 1967 - artist: Curt Swan).

One of the meanings of the word juggle is to handle or deal with several things at one time. According to an entry in Supermanica (http://supermanica.info/wiki/index.php/Superman#Super-Strength), in July of 1967, Superman as Superboy was "known to have pulled a chain of a dozen worlds from their own dying galaxy to new suns at the other side of the universe, saving billions of lives." This is by definition how you could juggle planets.

[Corinthian™]

no actually its slang
u dont liek it then leave
seriously, stop butchering your language.

[saiyan jedi]

seriously, stop butchering your language.
No
liek i said u dont liek it then leave
cuz i aint stopping
so u might as well stop whinning liek
a little ******

[red-five]

seriously, stop butchering your language.
lol you dont like internet slang

lol i dont care as long as i can read it

[red-five]

http://supermanica.info/wiki/images/d/dc/Superboytowingplanets.jpg
Superboy Hauling Planets
(circa July, 1967 - artist: Curt Swan).

One of the meanings of the word juggle is to handle or deal with several things at one time. According to an entry in Supermanica (http://supermanica.info/wiki/index.php/Superman#Super-Strength), in July of 1967, Superman as Superboy was "known to have pulled a chain of a dozen worlds from their own dying galaxy to new suns at the other side of the universe, saving billions of lives." This is by definition how you could juggle planets.
that
ummmm.

looks ridiculus

[saiyan jedi]

http://supermanica.info/wiki/images/d/dc/Superboytowingplanets.jpg
Superboy Hauling Planets
(circa July, 1967 - artist: Curt Swan).

One of the meanings of the word juggle is to handle or deal with several things at one time. According to an entry in Supermanica (http://supermanica.info/wiki/index.php/Superman#Super-Strength), in July of 1967, Superman as Superboy was "known to have pulled a chain of a dozen worlds from their own dying galaxy to new suns at the other side of the universe, saving billions of lives." This is by definition how you could juggle planets.
wtf!!!!lmao
thats impossible on so many lvls

[SSJ4_Mikael]

wtf!!!!lmao
thats impossible on so many lvls
maybe the chain shouldent hold, but you don't know what matter it's made of.
Beside, he does it so...

[ghostrider4ever]

Ehh... I guess that you're aware of that Superman moved planet's in Infinite-universe, Gokou had problem lifting 40 tons...

Oh wow. You do know that frieza blew up a planet with a single finger, and he was in his weakest state. Superman had trouble lifting a airplane in which gohan did with incredible ease. In a fight, goku will win this by a longshot. Superman is not even half the fighter goku is, he's a brawler for crying out loud. :o Goku can destroy galaxies with little effort.

[ghostrider4ever]

maybe the chain shouldent hold, but you don't know what matter it's made of.
Beside, he does it so...

The chain will break so it's stupidity at it's best.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ghostrider4ever]

Goku. Even if they did have their powers, goku will still come out on top. Goku is too much of a great fighter. Anybody who can knock an opponent to another mountain is going to give supes some trouble. Superman is strong, but he hasn't faced someone of goku's caliber. Besides, doomday killed him and supes wasn't holding back. As for pre-crisis, toyprankster gives this guy some trouble and he is weak as hell. The villains of dbz are too powerful. Supermanprime is immortal meaning that he can't age, but he can still be killed in so many ways. Goku at the end of gt can wish for immortality, and pretty much has control over the dragonballs. He even has his crew behind him. Wizard proved goku's worth. Deal with it guys.

[mano012sg]

if superman was a regular man with some strength as well as goku..who would win if all the had were there fighting ability
ok...lemme give you one:
You, OMEGAVEGETTO, better take this:

Superman with just his athletic abilities and Goku with only athletic skill and no martial skills. Will Goku or Superman win????????????????


Goku better win...because that's what you want.
Describe exactly in detail how will Goku win

[dnno1]

wtf!!!!lmao
thats impossible on so many lvls

So is adamantium and Promethium, but it happend (in the comics - Superboy #140) and its considered cannon.

[ghostrider4ever]

Why do you people like saying that superman has the ability to juggle plantes when you know that it's false? Goku can just blow them up and blow up the energy source of supes, a yellow star.

[ghostrider4ever]

ok...lemme give you one:
You, OMEGAVEGETTO, better take this:

Superman with just his athletic abilities and Goku with only athletic skill and no martial skills. Will Goku or Superman win????????????????


Goku better win...because that's what you want.
Describe exactly in detail how will Goku win

Goku will win this like taking candy from an infant.:o

[ghostrider4ever]

it's called being lazy and not caring, jackass

Why did you create this thread anyway, it makes your talk to one.:confused:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Why do you people like saying that superman has the ability to juggle plantes when you know that it's false? Goku can just blow them up and blow up the energy source of supes, a yellow star.
He Moves over 20 planet's...
Juggle would be easy...
Due to the fact that it takes more energy to move a planet cause of the sun gravity, than it takes to blow one up.

And pre-crisis Superman can move so fast that he wraps through time.
He would be able to pimp-slap Gokou a cenutillion time before he even feels it.

10^600 is a millionth of a cenuntillion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenuntillion).

[ghostrider4ever]

He Moves over 20 planet's...
You are as delusional as devil hulk.
Juggle would be easy...
Prove that he can do it!
Due to the fact that it takes more energy to move a planet cause of the sun gravity, than it takes to blow one up.
I can lift 100 pounds, but that doesn't mean that i can put it out of existence. Have you ever taken physics before? I wonder because you have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about. Jibberish is what you say.
And pre-crisis Superman can move so fast that he wraps through time.
He would be able to pimp-slap Gokou a cenutillion time before he even feels it.
You do know that istant transmission is way faster than the speed of light. It has no time delay so your proved yourself wrong one again. It's just as fast as it needs to be to get from point a to b.
10600 is a millionth of a cenuntillion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenuntillion).
Lmao. Be real, he isn't as fast as the flash. Besides, he never fights anyone at that fast pavement so he isn't experienced enough.


You really do need to check up on superman. He got beat down by someone like the shaggy man. Wonder woman beat him too.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

1. Perhaps...
2. Ok..
http://www.cotf.edu/ete/images/modules/msese/earthsysflr/EFSphereP9.gif
He's weaker than Supes.
3. Due to the fact that the sun's 98 precent of all matter in our solar-system.
It's the gravity...
4. Instant-transmission don't work that way, he have to focus on the spot, otherwise Janemba, Buu-han and every other villain would get OWNED.
5 .Superman Prime is faster than any Flash...

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

http://supermanica.info/wiki/images/d/dc/Superboytowingplanets.jpg
Superboy Hauling Planets
(circa July, 1967 - artist: Curt Swan).

One of the meanings of the word juggle is to handle or deal with several things at one time. According to an entry in Supermanica (http://supermanica.info/wiki/index.php/Superman#Super-Strength), in July of 1967, Superman as Superboy was "known to have pulled a chain of a dozen worlds from their own dying galaxy to new suns at the other side of the universe, saving billions of lives." This is by definition how you could juggle planets.


who the hell built a chain that long? what is it connected to? even at lightspeed or faster than lightspeed he would never make it to another galaxy anywhere close to fast...super man should give the chain to goku so he can teleport the planets and supes to any galaxy he chooses....and sternght in dbz doesnt matter if u cant touch your opponent... mike tyson cant beat bruce lee

[Guyverjay]

I seriously doubt that Goku has outsold Superman in merchandising. And the number of units sold, be it comic books, T-sirts, television episodes, et. al., can be equated to popularity (and remember I have already given the illustration of the amount of intrest between the two on the Internet). Like I said before if popularity is not your point here you should not have brought up the issue of the number of books sold (because I think that is what you are trying to indicate here). if you don't care about what I think the maybe you shoud stay out of this discussion.


*sigh* Are you some sort of moron?

I'll say it again:

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT POPULARITY

Can you not GRASP this concept?!!!!

Again I DID NOT bring it up, someone else did I merely replied to the post.

LEARN TO READ

Again I believe that shonen Jump has outsold Superman comics.

Between 10 and 20 million a month compared with a hundred thousand a month, even with the head start I think its probable

I'll say it for the record

I DO NOT THINK GOKU IS MORE POPULAR THAN SUPERMAN

*Waits for inevitable response of "well Superman has sold more toothbrushes and you're saying Goku is popular blah blah.. you shouldn't talk about popularity"*

:rolleyes:

[dnno1]

who the hell built a chain that long? what is it connected to? even at lightspeed or faster than lightspeed he would never make it to another galaxy anywhere close to fast...super man should give the chain to goku so he can teleport the planets and supes to any galaxy he chooses....and sternght in dbz doesnt matter if u cant touch your opponent... mike tyson cant beat bruce lee

Obviously it was Superboy. Look, this is fiction and in this realm the impossible is possible (that is why they call it that). I don't complain when a rediculous character like Buu swallows up Goheta and both Goku and Vegita survive as tiny beings inside his body so you shouldn't complain either. The chains are made of unobtainium (or whatever you want it to be) okay. The picture illustrates that Superboy is strong enough to haul 12 planets and as mythical as that sounds it happend in the comics and it is cannon.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

1. Perhaps...
2. Ok..
http://www.cotf.edu/ete/images/modules/msese/earthsysflr/EFSphereP9.gif
He's weaker than Supes.
3. Due to the fact that the sun's 98 precent of all matter in our solar-system.
It's the gravity...
4. Instant-transmission don't work that way, he have to focus on the spot, otherwise Janemba, Buu-han and every other villain would get OWNED.
5 .Superman Prime is faster than any Flash...


goku moved (in a fight) as fast as flash in the beginning of dbz..do u remember when goku fought freiza? he gave goku 1min until the planet namek would blow but it took like 5 episodes and they were fighting the whole time....if they actually showed how fast goku moved on the show..we wouldnt be able to c anything until they stopped moving...and goku faught metal cooler with i.t. and never touched his head..actually they both used it..also I.T is faster than any flash..buu and janemba can beat superman..superman my be stronger but goku can hit just as hard if not harder..another thing....id like to see superman fight cell..no way he would win

[dnno1]

goku moved (in a fight) as fast as flash in the beginning of dbz..do u remember when goku fought freiza? he gave goku 1min until the planet namek would blow but it took like 5 episodes and they were fighting the whole time....if they actually showed how fast goku moved on the show..we wouldnt be able to c anything until they stopped moving...and goku faught metal cooler with i.t. and never touched his head..actually they both used it..also I.T is faster than any flash..buu and janemba can beat superman..superman my be stronger but goku can hit just as hard if not harder..another thing....id like to see superman fight cell..no way he would win

I thought we were discussing a battle between Son Goku and Superman. Why are we bringing Cell into the picture. If Superman can beet Goku, then Cell would be trivial since Goku can beat Cell.

[red-five]

Why are we bringing Cell into the picture. If Superman can beet Goku, then Cell would be trivial since Goku can beat Cell.
IF supes could beat goku

but we all know thats not the case

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

and why do people keep bringin up goku strggling 40 tons? first of all it was in his base form probably not powered up..secound of all i bet goku could bench 40tons in that state with no problem..now try wrapping them arond your arms and legs and punching with them..its a whole lot harded..third..did u see how he abused those weights after he took it up a notch? and why do people act like ssj is like a whole different character? its still goku just not at his max..superman is always at his max , so compare goku at his max which is ssj4...plus i know that energy balls that goku catches and kicks in the air with ease are more than 1000 tons since the leave crators in the ground even b4 exploding.

[red-five]

.
Due to the fact that it takes more energy to move a planet cause of the sun gravity, than it takes to blow one up.
wrong
lets think about this....... in dbz destroying a planet is
blasting it with a very powerful energy beam.
now lets just say that were to tune down the
power of that blast a little. what would happen?
ill tell u.

IT WOULD GET MOVED!!!!!!!BLASTED OUT OF ITS NORMAL
PLANETARY MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!
so no
u are wrong
destroying planets takes FAR more power

[red-five]

and why do people keep bringin up goku strggling 40 tons? first of all it was in his base form probably not powered up..secound of all i bet goku could bench 40tons in that state with no problem..now try wrapping them arond your arms and legs and punching with them..its a whole lot harded..third..did u see how he abused those weights after he took it up a notch? and why do people act like ssj is like a whole different character? its still goku just not at his max..superman is always at his max , so compare goku at his max which is ssj4...plus i know that energy balls that goku catches and kicks in the air with ease are more than 1000 tons since the leave crators in the ground even b4 exploding.
ppl always forget
that the kais planets gravity is
10 times what it is on earth

40 tons on supreme kai planet
is 400 tons on earth

[SSJ4_Mikael]

ppl always forget
that the kais planets gravity is
10 times what it is on earth

40 tons on supreme kai planet
is 400 tons on earth
Actually South-Kaioshin changed the gravity to 40 earth ton's.
So it was precicly 40 ton.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

wrong
lets think about this....... in dbz destroying a planet is
blasting it with a very powerful energy beam.
now lets just say that were to tune down the
power of that blast a little. what would happen?
ill tell u.

IT WOULD GET MOVED!!!!!!!BLASTED OUT OF ITS NORMAL
PLANETARY MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!
so no
u are wrong
destroying planets takes FAR more power
Prove it.
How many Joul does it take to destroy earth.
And how much for moving it a lightyear...

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

I thought we were discussing a battle between Son Goku and Superman. Why are we bringing Cell into the picture. If Superman can beet Goku, then Cell would be trivial since Goku can beat Cell.


friesa>superman (maybe not stronger)
cell>superman (perfect cell bulked up is like doomsday)
any buu>superman (how could he kill buu?)
bebi vegeta>superman
super17>superman
shenron>superman

case in point..all these characters can destroy giant planets without breaking a sweat..all these characters can destroy entire galaxies...all these characters are faster than the speed of light...all these characters have at least one of supermans moves....most of them can live in space..freize slip namek almost in two with a slice of his hand....cell is as fast as or almost as fast as I.T...buu can jump through dimentions at will...vegetas revenge deathball could fill a person with all the evil of the galaxy and desintergrate them from the inside..super 17 is faster than superman (in a fight)
shenron is basically a god ...the moral of the story is goku beat them all..maybe not cell but ssj4 goku would blink and cell would die

[red-five]

Prove it.
How many Joul does it take to destroy earth.
And how much for moving it a lightyear...
wtf is joul

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

they say superman can only survive a wat? 50megaton blast? try surviving a planet destroying blast

[red-five]

Actually South-Kaioshin changed the gravity to 40 earth ton's.
So it was precicly 40 ton.
he changed the weights to 40 tons
which weigh 10 more on
Grand kai's planet

maybe even more cause the G.kai's planetis way bigger than king kais planet was.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

wtf is joul
I ment Joule, sorry.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

they say superman can only survive a wat? 50megaton blast? try surviving a planet destroying blast
Superman Prime and Pre-crisis would.
Besides Supa kanzentaini Seru could destroy a solar-system, why don't you use that as a fact.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

he changed the weights to 40 tons
which weigh 10 more on
Grand kai's planet

maybe even more cause the G.kai's planetis way bigger than king kais planet was.
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume36/Db36ch08/360809.gif
He changed the gravity so it become 40 earth tons.
Therefore at that spot Gokou's gravity 5 timed... Making it feel like 40 earth tons...

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

supergirl got a whole blown through her stomach with a blast that goku could have shot..and superman just stood there and watched

[SSJ4_Mikael]

friesa>superman (maybe not stronger)
cell>superman (perfect cell bulked up is like doomsday)
any buu>superman (how could he kill buu?)
bebi vegeta>superman
super17>superman
shenron>superman

case in point..all these characters can destroy giant planets without breaking a sweat..all these characters can destroy entire galaxies...all these characters are faster than the speed of light...all these characters have at least one of supermans moves....most of them can live in space..freize slip namek almost in two with a slice of his hand....cell is as fast as or almost as fast as I.T...buu can jump through dimentions at will...vegetas revenge deathball could fill a person with all the evil of the galaxy and desintergrate them from the inside..super 17 is faster than superman (in a fight)
shenron is basically a god ...the moral of the story is goku beat them all..maybe not cell but ssj4 goku would blink and cell would die

None of them are faster than the speed of light.
Only the GT characters can destroy galaxies cause they're non-cannon.
Supes is physically so many times stronger than these character he would simply own them.

[red-five]

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume36/Db36ch08/360809.gif
He changed the gravity so it become 40 earth tons.
Therefore at that spot Gokou's gravity 5 timed... Making it feel like 40 earth tons...
you know what?
that little manga strip raises
something

that guy made the weights 40 tons each

and when they were making an the anime the ****ed up

[SSJ4_Mikael]

supergirl got a whole blown through her stomach with a blast that goku could have shot..and superman just stood there and watched
I'm sure he did big boy, I'm sure he did...

[dnno1]

you know what?
that little manga strip raises
something

that guy made the weights 40 tons each

and when they were making an the anime the ****ed up

The manga is considered the cannon since the anime is derived from it.

[red-five]

supergirl got a whole blown through her stomach with a blast that goku could have shot..and superman just stood there and watched
what exactly are u
talking about

[SSJ4_Mikael]

you know what?
that little manga strip raises
something

that guy made the weights 40 tons each http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif
and when they were making an the anime the ****ed up
How the **** could he make them heavier...
He changed the gravity thats all...
Even if he did it was 40-earth ton's...
If you brought one weight on 10kg there he would call it a 100kg weight.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

what exactly are u
talking about
He's having nightmares again...

[SSJ4_Mikael]

The manga is considered the cannon since the anime is derived from it.
We are owning these topic's great work.:up: :up: :up:

[dnno1]

wtf is joul

A Joule is a metric unit of energy. 1055 Joules is equal to 1 British Thermal Unit. 4.186 Joules equal 1 calorie.

[red-five]

How the **** could he make them heavier...
He changed the gravity thats all...
Even if he did it was 40-earth ton's...
If you brought one weight on 10kg there he would call it a 100kg weight.
ohhhhh! know i see what youre trying to say

How the **** could he make them heavier.
how the **** could he change the gravity

he changed the weight of the weights
not the actual gravity itself

[SSJ4_Mikael]

A Joule is a metric unit of energy. 1055 Joules is equal to 1 British Thermal Unit. 4186 Joules equal 1 calorie.
4,18 joule equal's 1 calorie, you used the therm kcal -kilocalories.

[dnno1]

4,18 joule equal's 1 calorie, you used the therm kcal -kilocalories.

I was off by a factor of 1000. Sorry about that.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

ohhhhh! know i see what youre trying to say

How the **** could he make them heavier.
how the **** could he change the gravity

he changed the weight of the weights
not the actual gravity itself
The gravity at that spot yes...
But it really don't matter since it only was 40 earth ton's.
If he would wield the same weight's at earth it would be 4 ton's.

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

I'm sure he did big boy, I'm sure he did...

i said that goku could have shot..and it is true that supergirl got shot through the stomach by an energy beam...superman was there and wasnt fast enough to save her..but countless times have we seen someone from dbz intervein ....i dont think superman has a fast reaction time...

[dnno1]

i said that goku could have shot..and it is true that supergirl got shot through the stomach by an energy beam...superman was there and wasnt fast enough to save her..but countless times have we seen someone from dbz intervein ....i dont think superman has a fast reaction time...

Because he knew she would heal right away.

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Because he knew she would heal right away.
No.. Because he knew Gokou wouldent be able to hurt her.

[Guyverjay]

How the **** could he make them heavier...
He changed the gravity thats all...
Even if he did it was 40-earth ton's...
If you brought one weight on 10kg there he would call it a 100kg weight.


You are talking out of your ass

Why the hell would a Kai (who you know can manipulate matter as we've seen them do before) change the gravity of his entire planet when he could just make the weights heavier?:rolleyes:

Hell since when do kais control gravity anyway?:rolleyes:

He makes the weights heavier, anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

Because he knew she would heal right away.

why even let it happen? wat if goku used a kamehameha beam the size of the one that killed cell? then wat?

[OMEGAVEGETTO]

ok...lemme give you one:
You, OMEGAVEGETTO, better take this:

Superman with just his athletic abilities and Goku with only athletic skill and no martial skills. Will Goku or Superman win????????????????


Goku better win...because that's what you want.
Describe exactly in detail how will Goku win

i dont get wat ur askiing...goku is very athletic...even when he was a kid...but their atleticism has to do with there strenght so u cant use that

[dnno1]

why even let it happen? wat if goku used a kamehameha beam the size of the one that killed cell? then wat?

Look Superman has flown through the heart of stars (even a Red Sun) and survived. He can even out last a black hole. He is invulnerable. What makes you think that a planet destroying beam could take him out?