More Info On Batwoman

[Binker]

source: http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71980

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Hinted and teased about for months, Sunday’s New York Times (already being delivered in the New York area) confirms that DC is brining back a staple of its Silver Age: Batwoman.

The article, entitled "Straight (and Not) Out of the Comics: At DC and Marvel Comics, new heroes are gay, black, Asian and Hispanic. Get used to it," is a full- page feature on page 25 of the Sunday Arts & Leisure section on Marvel and DC’s emphasis on increasing the diversity of their respective character libraries over the past months to year-plus. NYT writer George Gene Gustines covers, among others, the attention being placed on the upcoming Black Panther/Storm wedding at Marvel and Luke Cage's key role in New Avengers, and the new Blue Beetle - a Hispanic teen - as well as Batwoman, Kathy Kane, who, according to the article: “…is a wealthy (socialite), buxom lipstick lesbian who has a history with Renee Montoya, an ex-police detective who has a starring role in 52."

According to the article, Batwoman will "appear in costume for the first
time in a July issue of 52"

Eagle-eyed DC fans caught a first look at Batwoman in Infinite Crisis #7’s splash page showing a swath of new characters – wearing a costume apparently inspired by the original, Silver Age Batwoman, as well as a nod to the color scheme of Batman Beyond. According to the NYT, the costume was designed by Alex Ross. Of course, her name, an obvious homage to the Silver Age “Kathy Kane”.

Also mentioned is “the Great Ten”, a Chinese-government controlled/sponsored superhero team making their debut next month in 52.

According to the article, the team includes, "the Celestial Archer, with ties to Chinese mythology; Mother of Champions, who can give birth to a litter of 25 super-soldiers about every three days; and Seven Deadly Brothers, a martial arts expert who can divide into many."

The Times piece recaps the sometimes bumpy roads comic books have taken towards diversity - including DC's 1998 series The New Guardians, the mid-90's Milestone imprint, and 2000's "Planet DC" initiative - but according to Gustines, this new emphasis/push is intended to be a "sustained one,” taking place in an alternate world that nevertheless reflects American society in general and comics readers in particular, in much the same way that they multicultural casts of televisions shows like ABC's Lost and Grey's Anatomy mirror their audiences."

"I'm glad we're at the point when they're being rolled out without flourish - not 'Minority Heroes Attack!,' " DC writer Judd Winick tells Gustines. "It's important to see them as characters and not a story line about race."

The piece is also not without some examination of the online comic book community and their reaction to change. Citing the death of the Ted Kord Blue Beetle, which paved the way for the new Mexican-American Jaime Reyes version, Gustine writes, "Fans of the old Blue Beetle posted online messages decrying his death and griping about DC's new, generally more somber direction. But comics devotees are notorious for buying titles out of loyalty, whether from completist compulsion or from a need to be able to complain about what they don't like, and DC knows it".

"It's hard to introduce any new hero DC Executive Editor Dan DiDio tells Gustines, adding that using familiar names like (like Blue Beetle and Batwoman), "gives us a leg up so they're more readily accepted, I think that's the way to go."

Look for a link to the Times piece when it appears online, and an interview with DiDio on the new Batwoman and DC's drive to diversity Sunday, here at Newsarama.com.

So more info later....

[GoldenAgeHero]

thats an ugly arse costume! why are marvel and dc making such a huge deal on minorities?

[boywondernerdDC]

yeah i guess Affirmative Action applies to fictional characters too

[The Batman]

Kathy Kane's a lesbo?

aww...i wanted to see Bruce hit that.....ah, well, cant tap em all....

[Nightwing]

Interesting. I had suggested Kathy Kane in another thread that had been made, about who could be under the mask when most thought it'd be Barbara. The suit is a bit based on the Batman Beyond themes, in terms of the colors and symbol. Not sure how well that will sell, guess we'll have to see when she debuts in 52.

[The Batman]

man...if it were renee montoya, i wouldnt be upset, but its kathy kane!! damn, i was hoping Bats would get a little somethin somethin....

maybe shes bi....hmmm...

[Nightwing]

If she has history with Renee, I doubt she is.

[The Batman]

I dunno. Bi people go out with lesbians/gays all the time.

The funny part about this is, Kathy was created to be Batmans love interest to end rumors that Bats was gay....

[TheCorpulent1]

Great, more Silver Age throwbacks. I guess I'll wait and see if she's actually a decent character in 52.

[Nightwing]

I dunno. Bi people go out with lesbians/gays all the time.

The funny part about this is, Kathy was created to be Batmans love interest to end rumors that Bats was gay....

With Bette as Robin's, who Bob Kane based her name upon his wife's. And drew Batwoman to resemble her, along with adding the name "Kane" to support his claim.

[The Batman]

Yup...and the old stories would have robin trying to shun bat-girl's advances, making him look even gayer, while batwoman would fantasize about Bats....

Strange era of bat history. They tried so hard to rip off the superman books at the time

[Nightwing]

Other way around. Robin was the one returning Bette's affection toward him, while Batman tried to keep his distance from Kathy.

[The Batman]

Not in Batman 144, the issue where bat-mite tries to play cupid with bat-girl and robin.

[MaskedManJRK]

Kathy Kane's a lesbo?

aww...i wanted to see Bruce hit that.....ah, well, cant tap em all....

Or...

COMING NEXT YEAR...

CHASING KATHY

:o

[The Batman]

Or...

COMING NEXT YEAR...

CHASING KATHY

:o

niiiiiiiiiiice. I like how you connected that.

It can be about Bruce chasing kathy, with Dick being very negative about the relationship because hes secretly in love with bruce, with bruces black, gay friend commissioner akins....

the potential is limitless

And the Dark Knight convert a lesbian? Find out next week, same bat time, same bat channel.

[MaskedManJRK]

niiiiiiiiiiice. I like how you connected that.

It can be about Bruce chasing kathy, with Dick being very negative about the relationship because hes secretly in love with bruce, with bruces black, gay friend commissioner akins....

the potential is limitless

And the Dark Knight convert a lesbian? Find out next week, same bat time, same bat channel.

ATKINS: ...And then you have Darth Vader, the blackest motherf**ker in the galaxy--a Nubian god--

DICK: What's a Nubian?

ATKINS: SHUT THE F**K UP!

[The Batman]

lol. that movie was great.

[MaskedManJRK]

lol. that movie was great.

Yeah--a bit of a sore movie to watch, since I went through the same thing as he did, but without the hooking-up part. :(

[Nightwing]

Not in Batman 144, the issue where bat-mite tries to play cupid with bat-girl and robin.

He was a bit shy, while she was being forward. There was an old story from the "Batman in Space" adventures where they were stuck together in an alien world. That's when Dick admitted he liked her, and they kissed.

Even with their feelings for one another, all they managed to do was maintain a friendship.

[Fledermaus]

Yeah--a bit of a sore movie to watch, since I went through the same thing as he did, but without the hooking-up part.

Did you decide to have a threesome with the girl you love and your best friend? You know, to help resolve the hate they have for each other with their love for you?

[MaskedManJRK]

Did you decide to have a threesome with the girl you love and your best friend? You know, to help resolve the hate they have for each other with their love for you?

No--crushing on a lesbian. :(

I barely have a best friend anyway, therefore making your assumption impossible. :(

Pour salt on the open wound, why don't ya? :( :(

[Ben Urich]

Oh, like Batman hasn't gotten enough ass already.

[MaskedManJRK]

Oh, like Batman hasn't gotten enough ass already.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ENOUGH ASS.

I thought you would know this, being a man and all. :confused: :o

[kiuju2k]

Man. I don't care what her sexual orientation is. She isn't going to be as good as barbra. I already know she can't compete with Cassandra. Cassie brought a credibility to the bat family in certain circles. I doubt this new one will be up to it. No way no how. Might as well have shiva be batwoman. At least she can kick some ass.

[TheCorpulent1]

If Shiva sold out and became Batman's underling, after already basically becoming Black Canary's *****, I would have to shoot myself. :(

[BrianWilly]

I'm not very interested in the character, but I don't mind her being around either. So long as she doesn't screw up other characters too much I don't see what the problem is.

[Binker]

More on her by Dido:

As the news was filteing out through various channels, we caught up with DC Executive Editor Dan Didio to talk about the new character, the role her sexuality will play, and what the future holds for the new Batwoman.

NRAMA: So – after much rumor, speculation, and teasing, Batwoman is making her debut…

Dan Didio: Yes!

NRAMA: Tell us about her…

DIDIO: We’re always looking for ways to reinvigorate the Batman franchise, and look at other characters to inhabit his world. One of my problems with it was that I felt that a lot of the characters were coming form the same place, the same sense of origin, the same sense of tragedy in their backstory. We wanted to find a way to branch out a little bit more in the Bat-world. We looked at the Kathy Kane character, and we wanted to find a way to bring her back to the DC Universe. We figured that coming out of Infinite Crisis was a good time to re-introduce the character to the DCU –we can blame Superboy Prime for that.

We wanted to find a way to make her feel different, and give her a different personality, a different ideology, and a different backstory, so that she wasn’t just another Batman or Bruce Wayne clone. She’s a member of high society and she is gay. But her sexuality is not the main thrust of the character; it’s just another aspect of her personality, one that helps her to determine her choices that she makes as she’s fighting crime in Gotham City.

NRAMA: What do you mean by that last part? How does the fact that she’s gay help to determine the choices she makes as she’s fighting crime in Gotham?

DIDIO: Basically, what it means is that we have another very strong female character, and how her private life plays against her heroic life is going to be where the stories play in; as well as different types of adventures and different types of dramas that she gets caught up in. One of the first stories is that she does have a history with Montoya – because of that, it pulls her directly into a lot of the events in Montoya’s world, brings her into confrontation with The Question, and gets her hooked up with the things that are happening in 52.

NRAMA: Playing devil’s advocate, as you said, the fact that she is gay will play a role in her activities as a hero – but, when you flip that, it doesn’t really apply to say, Batman. You can’t say, “Because he’s heterosexual, Batman’s adventures are thus and so.” Heterosexuality as a character trait is has been largely ignored with Batman, yet it’s not the same when you’re talking about a gay character. Why is that?

DIDIO: If the character is gay, she might have had different levels of challenges in her life. The fact that she conceals her own sexuality to some of the people around her and to her own family is going to be a bit of a story, so there are going to be secrets within secrets. You’ll also find more and more about who she is as the story is told, and see how it plays against her lifestyle.

NRAMA: Where does she debut again?

DIDIO: 52 #11

NRAMA: And her name is Kathy Kane…

DIDIO: Or “Kate” as we’re calling her now.

NRAMA: Her costume designed by Alex Ross – it has interesting elements, both a nod to the original Silver Age Batwoman, as well as a nod to the Batman Beyond color scheme. What went into the look?

DIDIO: We really attribute the costume fully to Alex. When we went to him, we explained that we were bringing Batwoman back, but she is coming back for a new generation. He knew the backstory of the character as well, and wanted to do something that would both pay tribute to the past, but also move the character into her own identity. He’s so incredible when he does these things; he pulls from so many different places and still makes it feel unique while still giving a wink and a nod to everything around him.

NRAMA: Anytime someone shows up in Batman’s world, he takes a relatively grumpy reaction…well; he did prior to Infinite Crisis. What’s his response to this intrusion, post Infinite Crisis?

DIDIO: Well, remember that she’s operating in the city for nearly a year before Bruce comes home. She’s going to be able to establish herself in that fashion, and part of the assumption of the identity will be filling that void in Gotham City that has been left by Batman packing up and leaving after Crisis. This plays out on several levels, because you’ll also find out that there’s history between Bruce Wayne and Kate Kane from before she put on the costume as well. She’s someone who’s frequented the high society circles – they’ve encountered each other in the past, and there is some sense of history between the two, although we’re not really explaining what just yet. So, more importantly, he’s going to have to deal with her on multiple levels, as she reasserts herself in a level of prominence in Gotham society.

NRAMA: Plans for her in the immediate future? Her own series, miniseries, appearances, or can it be said at this point?

DIDIO: One of the things that I would like to do with Batwoman in particular, because we feel that who she is and the development of the character is so unique to what we’re trying to accomplish in the DCU, but also to what 52 is about, one of the things I’d like to see, at least in the beginning, is to see her as a character who will be appearing primarily in 52. Them, we’ll be exploring things in different ways.

To use a Marvel reference, I always liked the way that Marvel introduced the Punisher. He started in Amazing Spider-Man, and had some really landmark appearances in Daredevil, and they allowed interest in him to grow. I think this is a character that can really benefit form appearing in different books first before we test the waters with her on her own.

NRAMA: And let the fan demand fuel a project?

DIDIO: Yeah. We’ve introduced a lot of characters in a very short period time, and we’ve got a lot more coming down the pipeline, but I’d like to believe that mostly everything we do now is coming out of other things so that we’re not just throwing books and ideas and concepts at people cold. I want it to be where it feels like everything has time to take root. Again, we’re throwing a lot of new ideas, and more importantly, things where people are already predisposed about how they think a character should act and behave. So I want to pull them in a little more slowly now, and get them acclimated to the new directions for the series and the characters themselves, and hopefully enjoy what we’re doing.

Therefore, when we do go bigger with series and stories, they’re ready for it, and, as the expression goes are coming out, “Because you Demanded It!”

NRAMA: Bigger picture – as you said, you’ve introduced a large number of characters in a relatively short time coming out of Crisis. A lot of these characters are non-white, or, like Batwoman, minorities in other respects. That was the plan all along?

DIDIO: Always. From the moment I walked in the door. If you go out and try to diversify the DC Universe in 15 minutes – and you can – but you’re going to get something that will instantly forgotten like, not to speak too ill of the dead, Planet DC. Noble effort, smart idea, but the execution short-circuited the concept, and it was stillborn.

So what we wanted to do is have a DC Universe that was more reflective, not only of our readership, but as society as a whole. Everything that we’re doing, every step that we’re taking, we’ll keep on pushing that, not only because I think it’s the right thing to do, but also because it allows us to create those points of difference. The fact that the Blue Beetle is Hispanic allows you to include a different kind of sensibility into the story that we might not have had in another series. It’s the same thing with the new Atom being Asian. It should affect the storytelling in some way, because it allows us to give a different point of view, a different perspective. The same thing with Renee Montoya or Kate Kane being gay – that doesn’t matter who they are, but it does help give their stories a different point of view, a different perspective on the DCU that other characters might not have. It’s trying to attack these things on a personal level, so we can get much richer, more emotional stories from them.

NRAMA: Wrapping up – Batwoman coming back…Batgirl…not around anymore?

DIDIO: …I didn’t say that, did I? [laughs]

NRAMA: So the Bat-shaking’s not done?

DIDIO: Yeah. There’s a good chance that there are some more twists and turns coming up within the Bat Family. There was that sense that they were a single unit, operating with a single mindset, and all the characters were marching to Batman’s orders. One of the key things we need to do; especially coming out of Crisis is reinstate that sense of individuality for all the characters that inhabit Batman’s world. We’ve got a great set of characters with Robin and Nightwing and several others there, but what we need to do is make sure we understand and express what each one of their point of difference is.

I don’t want somebody to pick up a Batman book, a Nightwing book, and a Robin book and feel like they’re reading the same story. These are three different people with three different perspectives, with three different stories taking place. They all should have their own tonality and their own feel, and that’s what we want to do with Batwoman right now – she should have her own tonality, her own feel so that her character and her story has something that’s unique to itself, and not just another Batman story with a woman.

[GoldenAgeHero]

the problem is her existence. why the hell did they feel the need to bring her back? wow shes gay, thats not going to make me interested in the character. cassandra was perfect for the role and if dc was looking to introduce an asian character(the new atom) they had one all the long, cassandra. it really pisses me off with all this switching diversity crap wasnt needed in the first place.

[Zeu]

They screwed Cassie for this?:mad:

[MaskedManJRK]

... This plays out on several levels, because you’ll also find out that there’s history between Bruce Wayne and Kate Kane from before she put on the costume as well. She’s someone who’s frequented the high society circles – they’ve encountered each other in the past, and there is some sense of history between the two, although we’re not really explaining what just yet. ...

I don't know about you guys, but wouldn't it be hilarious if Bruce was Kathy's last boyfriend and he turned her gay? :o

[TheCorpulent1]

They screwed Cassie for this?:mad:
I don't think it's really a screwing of Cassandra, since she's still around and will hopefully be back to her old self soon enough. I think it's more Silver Age fanboyism seeping into DC's comics from every conceivable angle in ill-conceived ways. Kathy Kane doesn't seem appealing at all, really. She's a lesbian. Ok, that's nice for diversification, but so what? She's tied to Renee Montoya, too? Great, they're bringing in another lesbian character so what do they do? Pair her up with the only other prominent lesbian DC's got in the Bat family. Brilliant, that won't scream "tokenism" one bit. :o

[Newb]

I don't know about you guys, but wouldn't it be hilarious if Bruce was Kathy's last boyfriend and he turned her gay? :o

If so then that means she's bi, and Bruce has a shot again!;)

[Nightwing]

NRAMA: Wrapping up – Batwoman coming back…Batgirl…not around anymore?

DIDIO: …I didn’t say that, did I? [laughs]

If this means there's a slight chance Batgirl may possibly be returning, I can only hope it'd be Cassandra in her normal state...

[kiuju2k]

Wow. Just what we need. More silver age throwback characters. I still think they might as well have shiva do it. I mean cassandra lost her marbles so why can't shiva?

[jaydawg]

I dont even know why they're giving credit to Ross. All he did was steal barbara's batgirl look and use the beyond bat and color scheme. This character just screams lame.

[Assassin]

ahh ****

[jaydawg]

That pretty much sums up everyone's feelings.

[The Batman]

jay is right. The belt and boots just scream babs gordon. they shouldve just used Batwomans cartoon look

[twylight]

Interesting. I had suggested Kathy Kane in another thread that had been made, about who could be under the mask when most thought it'd be Barbara. The suit is a bit based on the Batman Beyond themes, in terms of the colors and symbol. Not sure how well that will sell, guess we'll have to see when she debuts in 52.

I dont even know why they're giving credit to Ross. All he did was steal barbara's batgirl look and use the beyond bat and color scheme. This character just screams lame.

Why is everyone saying it's from Batman Beyond? The image I get but the color scheme?

The color scheme is from the pre-Crisis Kathy Kane.

Here's a great post that was made in the Batwoman thread in the Batman comics forum:

I don't see what all the fuss is over the costume, reguardless of who's under the mask. Just because it isn't the genaric cowl/cape in tones of blue/black/grey or even yellow.


Interestingly, you can see verious different versions of Batwoman in that outfit:

The mask is a very big throwback to Kathy Kane's Pre-Crisis mask.

The symbol is obviously from TNAB "The Mystery of the Batwoman"

The red has been a reoccuring color in almost all versions of Batwoman:
Kathy Kane, Pre-Crisis
Bette Kane, Post-Crisis in an alternate future "Titans of Tomorrow"
Batwoman in TNAB, "The Mystery of the Batwoman"

It looks pretty obvious with Catwoman having a baby and naming her 'Helena' and now the 'new' colors and style of 'Batwoman's costume that DC Comics is going through a retro-phase and basically just casting nods to it's Pre-Crisis stories and characters.

Kathy Kane Pre-Crisis, notice the colors and mask.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/7582/detective2333ld.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8656/kathy23ml.gif


Bette Kane aka "Flambird" in "Titans of Tomorrow", notice colors, mask and belt
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5113/batwomanflamebird3ub.jpg


Batwoman in "The Mystery of the Batwoman" Notice the colors and symbol.
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5973/batwoman016oc.jpg

[Shawkur]

Im really not liking how much influence Didio seems to have on the creative direction of DC. His big coup was signing Johns, Morrison, Waid, ect. to exclusive contracts a few years ago, I wish he would stick to that kind of thing and let those three guys (who also have editorial positions) and the rest of creative staff and book editors handle the creative direction of the DCU.

[GoldenAgeHero]

well as EIC dan has the power to do wwhatever he wants and in all honestly I wouldnt trust the writers with new creative influence in the DCU. marvel is a good example of why it wouldnt be a good idea.

[Harlekin]

I have mixed feelings about this. Kathy Kane? Been there, done that, folks. Heck, there's a reason they had Bronze Tiger kill her in the first place. It's all just a little too much of a return towards the Gold/Silver Age for my taste. I am however interested what Flamebird's connection with this Kathy Kane is.

[Shawkur]

well as EIC dan has the power to do wwhatever he wants and in all honestly I wouldnt trust the writers with new creative influence in the DCU. marvel is a good example of why it wouldnt be a good idea.

The situations at the two companies seem comparable to me in that regard though, I dont see Didio or Quesada or Bendis as having had an impressive creative backround in superhero comics when compared to many past EICs. I also think one of DC's saving graces might be that guys like Johns, Morrison, and Waid seem to weild a fair amount of creative influence lately but Didio seems to be putting forth alot of creative edicts lately that I find questionable.

Im holding out hope that the new Kathy Kane is an inspired creation of the 52writers but it does smack of an editorial exmachina designed to shake-up the Batman universe. I dont even see it a Silver Age homage because the two versions of the character so far seemingly have next to nothing in common, in fact I think it wouldve been a bolder move to re-establish Kathy Kane's old continuity and find a way to make her character work. I am interested to see if they connect her to Bette Kane too.

[MaskedManJRK]

well as EIC dan has the power to do wwhatever he wants and in all honestly I wouldnt trust the writers with new creative influence in the DCU. marvel is a good example of why it wouldnt be a good idea.

Eh, I don't think he's Quesada-level s**t at this point in time. :o

[jaydawg]

Why is everyone saying it's from Batman Beyond? The image I get but the color scheme?

The color scheme is from the pre-Crisis Kathy Kane.

Here's a great post that was made in the Batwoman thread in the Batman comics forum:
Because yellow and orange equal black and red. :o

[GoldenAgeHero]

I have mixed feelings about this. Kathy Kane? Been there, done that, folks. Heck, there's a reason they had Bronze Tiger kill her in the first place. It's all just a little too much of a return towards the Gold/Silver Age for my taste. I am however interested what Flamebird's connection with this Kathy Kane is.

i think thier morther and daughter. bette kane, kathy kane?

[Purple Man]

Anything they do with Batwoman will be better than the original.

Also, don't forget the outrages when everyone found out that the new Batgirl was going to be nothing like Barbara Gordon.

We all know how terrible Cassandra Cain was. Completely dispicable character.

[Harlekin]

i think thier morther and daughter. bette kane, kathy kane?
They used to be aunt and niece if I remember right.

Purple Man: I can't tell if you're sarcastic or not. People love Cassie Cain.

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't have a problem with Cassandra because of the way she was introduced, pretty much. I grew to like her as Cassandra Cain, quirky, mute runner for Oracle, long before she even became Batgirl.

[Mogwai]

I like her...can't wait to see how she turns out.

It's the Goddamn Batwoman!

[Purple Man]

My words were dripping with sarcasm sauce.

She was probably my favorite character created in the past decade or so.

[Harlekin]

Hmmm... sarcasm sauce.

[Assassin]

My words were dripping with sarcasm sauce.

She was probably my favorite character created in the past decade or so.

i almost ripped u a new one

[Arkady Rossovich]

Hmn...more proof that the industry is still male dominated.Im willing to give this new Batwoman a try..

[I_am_budders]

I like the outfit, but quite frankly the character seems boring and uninteresting by her description. I hope they prove me wrong.

[Fledermaus]

I think it will be cool to see The Huntress's reaction to Batwoman. Bats was always doggin' Helena out for her excesive violence. Helena was Batgirl for a bit, then Bats took it away and gave the role to a kid. A bad-ass kid, but still a kid.
And now this new, seemingly sanctioned Bat-chick comes around.

I smell a cat-fight. or is it a bat-fight? (groan)

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't really call Cassandra a kid. She was over 18 when she first became Batgirl, wasn't she?

[MaskedManJRK]

I wouldn't really call Cassandra a kid. She was over 18 when she first became Batgirl, wasn't she?

Nope, I'm pretty sure her and Tim are about the same age.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I know for sure she's older than Tim. I think she was about 20 when her series ended.

[The Spirit]

The suit is so.....I don't know. :confused:

[Red Mask]

No, I know for sure she's older than Tim. I think she was about 20 when her series ended.

Did Tim go to college yet?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he's 17 as of the OYL stuff.

[Nightwing]

I wouldn't really call Cassandra a kid. She was over 18 when she first became Batgirl, wasn't she?

Cassandra was eighteen. Because she was eight when Cain decided she was ready to test out the abilities she had learned. That's when she spent the next ten years of her life without a home, and then met Oracle.

[TheCorpulent1]

Close enough. I knew she was older than Tim.

[DANZIGG]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5030518.stm

Check this link to the BBC News Website in the UK, this has garnished some interest.

[twylight]

Because yellow and orange equal black and red. :o

I must be missing something...isn't the new costume Black and Orange? :confused:

http://img2.imagepile.net/images/1259914826.jpg

*darn computer screen*

I guess the Lesbian angle would explain the Butch look. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, I thought she looked a bit butch, too. And yeah, that's supposed to be red. It's the same color as the Flash's costume, and I doubt he'd change his whole costume to orange on a whim. Now that I can see such a detailed image of that picture, I'm wondering why her belt is so loose. Doesn't seem practical for your utility belt to slide down off your waist in a fight...

[twylight]

Well, I did compare it to Flash's costume but it seemed paler and more orangey. Like where her glove is.

Or maybe I'm looking to hard. :(

[Varient]

source: http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/52/BatwomanColor.jpg


So more info later....
Man,... as a hetro male I have to say,... What a waste,...............

I'm all for personal choice,.... But that doesn't mean that I can lust after a person who prefers women.

(thats a convo in itself,.. Lesbians taking offense because hetros notice the short skirt and the tube top.)

[Varient]

So far DC has made a Female NightWing, and now a Batwoman,.... Betchu when they bring back BatGirl,.. that FlameBird also coms back.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I did compare it to Flash's costume but it seemed paler and more orangey. Like where her glove is.

Or maybe I'm looking to hard. :(
I think it's just the highlights.

[sinewave]

Haha, I thought she looked a bit butch, too. And yeah, that's supposed to be red. It's the same color as the Flash's costume, and I doubt he'd change his whole costume to orange on a whim. Now that I can see such a detailed image of that picture, I'm wondering why her belt is so loose. Doesn't seem practical for your utility belt to slide down off your waist in a fight...

if you're going to get into nit-picking her costume, why stop at the belt? her long hair and cape are both impractical as they're something to grab onto if you're in hand-to-hand combat with her. then there's the boots, high heels like that would not work if she's jumbing off buildings and chasing down bad guys. as with most things in comic books, this requires quite a bit of suspension of disbelief.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thank you, I never thought of suspending disbelief for a comic. I didn't even nitpick anything, I just pointed out that such a loose belt seems impractical, not that it needs to change or there's anything worse about it than any other aspect of her or a number of other heroes' costumes. :confused:

[sinewave]

Thank you, I never thought of suspending disbelief for a comic. I didn't even nitpick anything, I just pointed out that such a loose belt seems impractical, not that it needs to change or there's anything worse about it than any other aspect of her or a number of other heroes' costumes. :confused:

don't get all defensive on me. you pointed out how impractical her belt was and i just said "why stop there?" there are plenty of impractical aspects to her costume.

[TheCorpulent1]

You got defensive on me first. I made a totally innocuous comment and you decided to condescend to me things I already know. :confused:

[sinewave]

You got defensive on me first. I made a totally innocuous comment and you decided to condescend to me things I already know. :confused:

sorry if i came off that way but you've got a lot of strong opinions and once in a while i see something i feel an urge to respond to. no harm, no foul.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's all gravy. Condescension (whenever it doesn't come from me) is just a pet peeve of mine. :)

[twylight]

I think it's just the highlights.

I think it's my computer screen. :(

When I look at it on my work computer it looks red. But at home it's more orange. *shrugs*

[Binker]

FIRST PICS:

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/52/Batwoman/batwoman2.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/52/Batwoman/batwoman.jpg

Guess Montoya isn't her

[batnkevlar]

We all knew Montoya wasn't her when they said their bringing back Kathy Kane...

[jaydawg]

****ty mask. ****ty belt. ****ty concept. ****ty character.

[Binker]

Question: beyond (no pun intended) 52, will Batwoman appear in the regular issues?

[Mogwai]

i don't think she's that bad... is she appearing in 52 or a batman title?

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Alex Ross has some balls. Yeah, some designing there, pal. He took the animated Batwoman's suit, gave it the Beyond colors and added boots, and the original Batwoman's mask.

[sinewave]

****ty mask. ****ty belt. ****ty concept. ****ty character.

so, what are you trying to say? ;)

[sinewave]

Question: beyond (no pun intended) 52, will Batwoman appear in the regular issues?

yes, i've heard there's going to be an ongoing batwoman series eventually.

[Nightwing]

i don't think she's that bad... is she appearing in 52 or a batman title?

Only in 52 will she make her first debut, after DC is probably going to give the character her own monthly...

[GoldenAgeHero]

yes, i've heard there's going to be an ongoing batwoman series eventually.

Cassandra Cain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[Binker]

yes, i've heard there's going to be an ongoing batwoman series eventually.

I hope you're right. I decided not to get 52 and I don't want to regret it.

[Not Jake]

Damn all this silver age crap. I wish that idiots wouldn't have eaten up all this DC family crap 50 years ago, then hopefully we would only have Batman and the Robins, and no Superboys, and the like.

[Fledermaus]

****ty mask. ****ty belt. ****ty concept. ****ty character.

SHHH..... You had me at ****ty mask.
I agree completely

[Not Jake]

Alex Ross has some balls. Yeah, some designing there, pal. He took the animated Batwoman's suit, gave it the Beyond colors and added boots, and the original Batwoman's mask.
it doesn't matter who designed it, they weren't going to try to reinvent the wheel. There are only so many things you can do when prerequisites are a mask with ears and a scalloped cape. Bat-suits should be black, so there's another thing already set. Not a whole lot you can change

[TheCorpulent1]

Ironic that "Bat-suits should be black" but Batman's has always been mostly gray. I never understood that.

[Varient]

lol.
the same thought runs through my twisted geeky brain:

"What a Waste"

[Not Jake]

Ironic that "Bat-suits should be black" but Batman's has always been mostly gray. I never understood that.
I guess that's true but whenever I think of Batman he's got that black cape draped over his whole body so he looks all black. But yeah, black and grey.

[jaydawg]

so, what are you trying to say? ;)
I don't even know any more. :O

[twylight]

...I want her boots. :(


Seriously..I doubt I'd pick up an ongoing with her in it. I hate the concept of her altogether. :o

[droogiedroogie2]

Ironic that "Bat-suits should be black" but Batman's has always been mostly gray. I never understood that.Well, not really ALWAYS, but yes, grey is a prominent color. But black is the theme. The cape is black (and **** that whole blue ****, Goddamn that was retarded), the mask is black, black is a good motif for the Bat-characters.

[Purple Man]

...I want her boots. :(


Seriously..I doubt I'd pick up an ongoing with her in it. I hate the concept of her altogether. :o

A lesbian Batwoman? What a terrible idea!

Next you will be telling me that there is going to be an asian Batgirl. Now that's a terrible concept!

Oh wait, there was an asian Batgirl! But did she do well? She did? Well I guess I shouldn't be knocking an idea until it hits the stands.

People should really stop saying they hate something before it is even printed.

Back in the day Spider-Man was a bad idea destined for failure until he actually hit the stands.

I'm not saying Batwoman is going to be the next Spider-Man, but she is bound to be better than everyones pre-whining is making her out to be.

Pre-whining. So many new words are invented because of fanboys, or fangirls.

[Red Mask]

****ty mask. ****ty belt. ****ty concept. ****ty character.

Worse than the non-Kara Supergirls created since the first Crisis? I can accept her more than a shapechanger turned angel.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Kathy Kane's a lesbo?

aww...i wanted to see Bruce hit that.....ah, well, cant tap em all....

maybe she'll let him watch :eek:

[DBM]

maybe she'll let him watch :eek:

He's the Batman. He'll watch if he wants.


And no one will ever know about it.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Until the inevitable bat-spooge.

[Varient]

tmi,...

[jaydawg]

Worse than the non-Kara Supergirls created since the first Crisis? I can accept her more than a shapechanger turned angel.
Peter David's Supergirl was easily the best Supergirl ever. Besides.... what the hell does this have to do with Kate Kane?

[Phatman]

Batwoman being a lesbian is just a gimmick to get people buying comics. She'll be forgotten or killed in a year.
Let us remember other forgettable gay comic characters:
Northstar
Rawhide kid
Maggie Sawyer

[sinewave]

i didn't know maggie sawyer was gay.

renee montoya is still a big part of the dcu.

[MajinShenron]

A lot of negative comments have been made about Batwoman, and not only in this forum. She won't survive.

[sinewave]

She'll survive. Fanboys are notoriously fickle and have a hard time accepting new things. Everyone's got their minds made up that they hate her now but she hasn't even appeared in anything yet. Give it a few months and people will warm up to her.

[Purple Man]

All we know that is that she is a lesbian who had a relationship with Montoya, and was once in the same social circles as Bruce Wayne, and what her costume looks like.

And this is already enough for people to say that they hate her.

So what if she is a female version of Batman? Spider-Woman never caught half the crap that Batwoman is getting.

Are people really that afraid of different characters?

Would you all prefer if writers just used the same characters over and over and over and over?

New concepts keep things fresh. So don't knock these characters till they hit the page.

I'm getting sick of all this pre-whining.

[sinewave]

All we know that is that she is a lesbian who had a relationship with Montoya, and was once in the same social circles as Bruce Wayne, and what her costume looks like.

And this is already enough for people to say that they hate her.

So what if she is a female version of Batman? Spider-Woman never caught half the crap that Batwoman is getting.

Are people really that afraid of different characters?

Would you all prefer if writers just used the same characters over and over and over and over?

New concepts keep things fresh. So don't knock these characters till they hit the page.

I'm getting sick of all this pre-whining.

exactly.

[Fledermaus]

I'm not whining. Batwoman could be a kick-ass character. I'm a fan of all things Batman. Even the sh**ty things. I have the full run of Gotham Knights. I have the all the issues of The Dark Knight Strikes Again. I still buy all the covers for All-Star Batman. I'm going to give Batwoman a chance. I just hate the ****in' mask.

[MajinShenron]

All we know that is that she is a lesbian who had a relationship with Montoya, and was once in the same social circles as Bruce Wayne, and what her costume looks like.

And this is already enough for people to say that they hate her.

So what if she is a female version of Batman? Spider-Woman never caught half the crap that Batwoman is getting.

Are people really that afraid of different characters?

Would you all prefer if writers just used the same characters over and over and over and over?

New concepts keep things fresh. So don't knock these characters till they hit the page.

I'm getting sick of all this pre-whining.

I agree to a certain extent but you have to realize something. A major part of super heroes in comics are the costume. Thats what ties in a lot of people into comics. Look at the most popular super heroes, Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Ironman, etc. All of them have an original and eye catching costume. A lot of people already don't like the costume for Batwoman. Thats enough to steer some people away.

[twylight]

A lesbian Batwoman? What a terrible idea!

Next you will be telling me that there is going to be an asian Batgirl. Now that's a terrible concept!

Oh wait, there was an asian Batgirl! But did she do well? She did? Well I guess I shouldn't be knocking an idea until it hits the stands.

People should really stop saying they hate something before it is even printed.

Back in the day Spider-Man was a bad idea destined for failure until he actually hit the stands.

I'm not saying Batwoman is going to be the next Spider-Man, but she is bound to be better than everyones pre-whining is making her out to be.

Pre-whining. So many new words are invented because of fanboys, or fangirls.

:confused:


Let me clarify.
I was talking about bringing back Kathy Kane in general in any occupation.

They can write a Batwoman. I think it's awesome and I even like the costume. :o

They want to write her as a lesbian? They can.
I'm not against homosexuality but I'm not interested in it either. That doesn't stop me from buying YA or Runaways.

The concept of 'Batwoman' is sound but I hate the concept of bringing Kathy Kane back.

- - -

I do ask that in the future you don't jump down people throats because they voice an opinion. If you want an explination, ask for it. If you want to generally prove all the people wrong and admonish them for their views don't make it personal, i.e. don't quote people.

You make it difficult to voice any kind of opinon on these boards because whenever anyone does you answer with a sacastic biting post that normally is for everyone in general and not just that one person.

I wasn't whining, just stating an opinion. Next time you make a blanket statement, please don't quote another persons when you do it, because it makes it personal.

If I want to 'knock' an idea before it 'hits the stands' I should be able to if I want. And I should be able to do it without you posting the internet version of a ruler slap to the hand because of an intangible opinion.

Please try to be a little more understanding in how you react and reply to people.

[Red Mask]

Peter David's Supergirl was easily the best Supergirl ever. Besides.... what the hell does this have to do with Kate Kane?

The engineered shapechanger who became an angel? That's the best spin-off of Supeman's character? And let's not forget the cumbersome creation of Connor/Superboy, Cyborg Superman, Eradicator, and Steel.

It's too convoluted to be impressive. At least with Kathy Kane we just get a change in sexual preference.

[Red Mask]

So what if she is a female version of Batman? Spider-Woman never caught half the crap that Batwoman is getting.

Are people really that afraid of different characters?


When it's publicized this widely, yes. The general public prefer to have these things come in small doses.

Maggie Sawyer was just a minor character who never wore a costume. But when a homosexual assumes an hero identity based on a popular straight character - yeah,they'll cry heresy.

[Fledermaus]

Batwoman being a lesbian is just a gimmick to get people buying comics. She'll be forgotten or killed in a year.
Let us remember other forgettable gay comic characters:
Northstar
Rawhide kid
Maggie Sawyer

There was an openly gay superhero called The Rawhide Kid? You have to be sh**ting me.

[Varient]

There was an openly gay superhero called The Rawhide Kid? You have to be sh**ting me.

I'm gonna be ragged for spamming but:

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Yes it's true,.. they had a short on the RawHide Kid As A Homosexual in the Old West,... It had me rolling for all the double meanings flying around.

I enjoyed it for the shock value.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

That was actually a pretty good mini...

[Anubis]

Bah, people with their knee jerk reactions. People hated Superboy too when he first appeared. But by the time he died, there were teary eyed fanboys and Fangirls everywhere. I'll give her a shot. There are no bad characters, Just bad writers.

[BrianWilly]

^Exactly.

[The Batman]

i cant believe the media attention this is getting...lol

[Anubis]

Yeah, my father brought it up this morning like, they got a gay batwoman now?

[BrianWilly]

I saw a report about it on CNN at the gym...it was pretty dang random. They started playing some scenes from the Catwoman movie, of all things:confused:...

[Anubis]

Stupid effin non comic reading media.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't get why it's getting so much attention, though. It's far from the first time a gay superhero has appeared in comics. I guess it's because it's attached to one of the bigger franchises this time.

[slipalong]

...I want her boots. :(

And I want to see you in her boots my dear... Hell, the whole costume if we can swing it with the wardrobe dept.

[Doc Destruction]

I think the costume is pretty effing sweet, IMO.

[Phatman]

i didn't know maggie sawyer was gay.

renee montoya is still a big part of the dcu.

Man Maggie Sawyer's a well known lesbian. Been well established in Superman comics. They even showed her and her girlfriend on episodes STAS. (How they slipped those two in on a cartoon I don't know.) ON STAS they were often shown holding hands. (Apokalips...NOW! )

Her sexual orientation has nothing to do with her being an interesting character. She's a great supporting character on TV and in the comics. But no one talks about her.

[Kurosawa]

niiiiiiiiiiice. I like how you connected that.

It can be about Bruce chasing kathy, with Dick being very negative about the relationship because hes secretly in love with bruce, with bruces black, gay friend commissioner akins....

the potential is limitless

And the Dark Knight convert a lesbian? Find out next week, same bat time, same bat channel.
:up: :up:

Batman's greatest challange and victory ever.

[sinewave]

Man Maggie Sawyer's a well known lesbian. Been well established in Superman comics. They even showed her and her girlfriend on episodes STAS. (How they slipped those two in on a cartoon I don't know.) ON STAS they were often shown holding hands. (Apokalips...NOW! )

Her sexual orientation has nothing to do with her being an interesting character. She's a great supporting character on TV and in the comics. But no one talks about her.

up until this latest "up, up and away" arc, i had never read a superman comic on a regular basis, so the only exposure i had to maggie was in the gotham central series, and i don't recall them mentioning her sexuality. i didn't watch STAS either.

[Green Lantern]

Worse than the non-Kara Supergirls created since the first Crisis? I can accept her more than a shapechanger turned angel.:up: I agree completely. I even recently (while my internet was down) went and gave the PAD run of Supergirl another chance. Read all 80 issues. STILL think its crap. :down At least now people won't rag on me for not reading it when I say that the Matrix/Earth Angel/Golden Age Power Level Supergirl is crap.

Peter David's Supergirl was easily the best Supergirl ever. Besides.... what the hell does this have to do with Kate Kane? Except for I don't know, the Supergirl who lasted from the fifties to the eighties... The original Kara is one million times the character that Matrix/Linda Danvers ever was.

[BrianWilly]

No, not really.

[twylight]

If ya'll wanna debate Supergirls I'm sure there's a thread floating around for that. ;)

And I want to see you in her boots my dear... Hell, the whole costume if we can swing it with the wardrobe dept.

You write the proposition, I'll go dye my hair.

[slipalong]

If ya'll wanna debate Supergirls I'm sure there's a thread floating around for that. ;)



You write the proposition, I'll go dye my hair.

Hun,

You look fine as you are... We just need the skintight outfit to round off the ensemble ;)

[Red Mask]

I saw a report about it on CNN at the gym...it was pretty dang random. They started playing some scenes from the Catwoman movie, of all things:confused:...

Oh man, that report was a pieace of ****! They didn't bother to ask the black people how they felt about a black man being the new Firestorm. They just wanted reactions on a gay superhero!:mad:

[Artistsean]

I heard a report on a local news station, they advertised it as a contraversial change to a comic hero. Then the report was about adding more non white super heroes and having some characters be gay, they mentioned Batwoman for a second.
I thought, I already knew about this, its not contraversial to me.

[jaydawg]

No, not really.
Exactly. Its all opinion, and mine is no Supergirl will ever hold a candle to PAD's.

[ShadowBoxing]

Batwoman being a lesbian is just a gimmick to get people buying comics. She'll be forgotten or killed in a year.
Let us remember other forgettable gay comic characters:
Northstar
Rawhide kid
Maggie SawyerNorthstar is coming back soon I thought.

However the unfortunate truth is homosexual characters tend to get written off rather quickly if you try to do something big with them (like put them in a top selling book or give them their own title). YA and Runaways survive easily because they are designed to appeal to the fringe element crowd (both are non traditional books to begin with). But X-Men, Batman, Superman and JLA to name a few attract a larger crowd and therefore have a more diverse audience to appeal to.

I think another key difference is they often don't write gay characters as superheroes who happen to be gay. They right their homosexuality almost as their superpower (on top of whatever else they do). Then the book reads like "Here is our homosexual hero eating breakfast. Uh-Oh the bank is being robbed, how will our hero respond being homosexual. He better change quick and kiss his other homosexual lover goodbye. He is here, how does the public love him....unbeknowst to them he is homosexual, should he out himself? Here he is fighting his archnemesis--did we mention he is homosexual?" And so unfortunately to writers (who may quiet possibly be straight themselves) they miss the nuance and subtlty of writing a gay character. They view the homosexuality in a very freudian light and assume it must inform all his/her decisions. Whereas for comprable straight characters, this is hardly a problem.

Some like Apollo and Midnighter, Ultimate Colossus, Wiccan and Hulkling and a few others have figured out that to write a character of any sexuality you need to address said sexuality without making it overexposed or the focus. Just as Scott and Jean's silent love for eachother in Stan Lee's X-Men wasn't the main story of that book.

[twylight]

Hun,

You look fine as you are... We just need the skintight outfit to round off the ensemble ;)


Why worry about an outfit at all?

[Fledermaus]

Now, that's my kind of superheroine.
The Amazing Naked-Girl.

[slipalong]

Why worry about an outfit at all?

Now THAT'S my kinda heroine!! Come an' rescue me gorgeous...

[Deathlok2001]

Northstar is coming back soon I thought.

However the unfortunate truth is homosexual characters tend to get written off rather quickly if you try to do something big with them (like put them in a top selling book or give them their own title). YA and Runaways survive easily because they are designed to appeal to the fringe element crowd (both are non traditional books to begin with). But X-Men, Batman, Superman and JLA to name a few attract a larger crowd and therefore have a more diverse audience to appeal to.

I think another key difference is they often don't write gay characters as superheroes who happen to be gay. They right their homosexuality almost as their superpower (on top of whatever else they do). Then the book reads like "Here is our homosexual hero eating breakfast. Uh-Oh the bank is being robbed, how will our hero respond being homosexual. He better change quick and kiss his other homosexual lover goodbye. He is here, how does the public love him....unbeknowst to them he is homosexual, should he out himself? Here he is fighting his archnemesis--did we mention he is homosexual?" And so unfortunately to writers (who may quiet possibly be straight themselves) they miss the nuance and subtlty of writing a gay character. They view the homosexuality in a very freudian light and assume it must inform all his/her decisions. Whereas for comprable straight characters, this is hardly a problem.

Some like Apollo and Midnighter, Ultimate Colossus, Wiccan and Hulkling and a few others have figured out that to write a character of any sexuality you need to address said sexuality without making it overexposed or the focus. Just as Scott and Jean's silent love for eachother in Stan Lee's X-Men wasn't the main story of that book.

If they want diversity, lets demand diversity! I want a crossdressing comic hero/heroine NOW!

and also a transgendered comic hero/heroine NOW!


hey, its all about being inclusive.

[Deathlok2001]

"This is not just about having a gay character," DiDio said. "We're trying for overall diversity in the DC universe. We have strong African-American, Hispanic and Asian characters. We're trying to get a better cross-section of our readership and the world."

Ok, if that is true, then cross dressing & transgendered comic characters should be included in this group, after all, they make up part of the world.

[Anubis]

I would totally read a book with a she male superhero.

[Deathlok2001]

There are so many sub plots to be discovered!

[Anubis]

Like, should you tuck in spandex? Do hormone pills mess with super powers? These are things we need to hear about.

[Deathlok2001]

Its all in the name of inclusion.

[TheCorpulent1]

I bet the first person to make a transgendered superhero comic wins an Eisner. :up:

[Deathlok2001]

I bet the first person to make a transgendered superhero comic wins an Eisner. :up:

LOL :up:

[twylight]

If they want diversity, lets demand diversity! I want a crossdressing comic hero/heroine NOW!

and also a transgendered comic hero/heroine NOW!


hey, its all about being inclusive.


:up:

In all seriousness I'm for it!

In fact I'm for a Girl to Boy Transgendered! Go way out on the fringe!


Now THAT'S my kinda heroine!! Come an' rescue me gorgeous...


Let me put on my boots and I'm on my way! ;)

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm... boots with heels... and nothing else. I guess that'd be my kind of heroine, too. :up:

[Super_Ludacris]

I just read about this a few days back. Funny yet interesting stuff

[yenaled]

Doctor Ocult is transgendered, technically.

[Zeu]

LOL (http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8555/batwomangay0yc9ha.jpg)

[yenaled]

Doesn't really work when Renee Montoya is also gay.

[Anubis]

there was also Rebis from Morrison's Doom Patrol. He/She was a hermaphordite.

[slipalong]

Hmm... boots with heels... and nothing else. I guess that'd be my kind of heroine, too. :up:

Get your own Corpy!!

[sinewave]

i posted this in another thread and i figured i should post it here as well.

i saw this posted on comicbookresources.com:

I understand that the creative team behind the ongoing "Batwoman" series, to be launched later this year/early next year, will be Devin Grayson and Dustin Nguyen.

Devin is best known for her run on "Nightwing," though I have a lot of love for her "User" series from Vertigo. I probably wouldn't mention this, but as it's going to be a talking point, Devin is also a prominent bisexual comic book creator.

so, apparently it will be an ongoing series and they've already got the talent locked down. i like nguyen's work and grayson has had her moments on nightwing. all-in-all, not a bad creative team. we'll see what happens with this character. hopefully it turns out better than many expect it to.

[Anubis]

I might give it a shot.

[Prognosticator]

Kathy Kane's a lesbo?

aww...i wanted to see Bruce hit that.....ah, well, cant tap em all....

I've got one thing to say about this...LAAAAAAAAAME! This is so "culturally diverse" that it's rediculously STUuuPID! Give me a break with this "lesbians are so bad-a" routine. And in the Bat-universe?!???:down :mad:

[sethcohen]

i just despise the idea of batwoman in general... ugh

[TheCorpulent1]

i posted this in another thread and i figured i should post it here as well.

i saw this posted on comicbookresources.com:



so, apparently it will be an ongoing series and they've already got the talent locked down. i like nguyen's work and grayson has had her moments on nightwing. all-in-all, not a bad creative team. we'll see what happens with this character. hopefully it turns out better than many expect it to.
Not a bad team, but not an earth-shattering one, either. I'll probably pass on it altogether.

[sinewave]

Not a bad team, but not an earth-shattering one, either. I'll probably pass on it altogether.

yeah, it's not warren ellis and john cassaday, but it's a hell of a lot better than the current team on nightwing.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, yeah, but given that I don't like anything about Batwoman right off the bat, it'd take a majorly impressive team to get me to read. Nguyen's art is good but not really great in my book and Grayson tends to churn out a constant stream of satisfying but eminently forgettable stories, in my experience.

[sethcohen]

was there an overall demand for this character or something that im missing? ugh

[Prognosticator]

This 'cultural diversity' from dc isn't fun when it feels forced. but whatever...

[sinewave]

Well, yeah, but given that I don't like anything about Batwoman right off the bat, it'd take a majorly impressive team to get me to read. Nguyen's art is good but not really great in my book and Grayson tends to churn out a constant stream of satisfying but eminently forgettable stories, in my experience.

fair enough. i'll give it a chance and if the first 5 or 6 issues suck, i'll probably drop it.

[yenaled]

I don't really belive LITG for that rumour, it has been said by Dan DiDio that an ongoing isn't planned.

[sinewave]

I don't really belive LITG for that rumour, it has been said by Dan DiDio that an ongoing isn't planned.

are you sure? i thought i remembered reading an interview with him or someone else from dc saying that it was going to be an ongoing, prior to LITG saying it.

[Fledermaus]

Binker posted this on page 2:

NRAMA: Plans for her in the immediate future? Her own series, miniseries, appearances, or can it be said at this point?

DIDIO: One of the things that I would like to do with Batwoman in particular, because we feel that who she is and the development of the character is so unique to what we’re trying to accomplish in the DCU, but also to what 52 is about, one of the things I’d like to see, at least in the beginning, is to see her as a character who will be appearing primarily in 52. Them, we’ll be exploring things in different ways.

To use a Marvel reference, I always liked the way that Marvel introduced the Punisher. He started in Amazing Spider-Man, and had some really landmark appearances in Daredevil, and they allowed interest in him to grow. I think this is a character that can really benefit form appearing in different books first before we test the waters with her on her own.

NRAMA: And let the fan demand fuel a project?

DIDIO: Yeah. We’ve introduced a lot of characters in a very short period time, and we’ve got a lot more coming down the pipeline, but I’d like to believe that mostly everything we do now is coming out of other things so that we’re not just throwing books and ideas and concepts at people cold. I want it to be where it feels like everything has time to take root. Again, we’re throwing a lot of new ideas, and more importantly, things where people are already predisposed about how they think a character should act and behave. So I want to pull them in a little more slowly now, and get them acclimated to the new directions for the series and the characters themselves, and hopefully enjoy what we’re doing.

Therefore, when we do go bigger with series and stories, they’re ready for it, and, as the expression goes are coming out, “Because you Demanded It!”

[Nightwing]

Devin wouldn't have a problem "getting" the character. Her weakness is that she tends to crystalize them. She writes in caricature, making good observations about the characters in question, but taking those observations beyond their reasonable limits at times. It tends to snowball. That's why much of her short work--the Showcase Dick & Donna short, Arsenal, Batman and Arsenal, the start-ups to her series work, tends to be better. She gets to touch on what she sees in the character, bringing out wonderful details, without dwelling on it to the point of absurdity.

The team wouldn't be that bad at all for the book. As said before, Grayson had her time on Nightwing. I may give the book a chance, probably if the first arc sells well enough.

[Black Canary22]

Devin wouldn't have a problem "getting" the character. Her weakness is that she tends to crystalize them. She writes in caricature, making good observations about the characters in question, but taking those observations beyond their reasonable limits at times. It tends to snowball. That's why much of her short work--the Showcase Dick & Donna short, Arsenal, Batman and Arsenal, the start-ups to her series work, tends to be better. She gets to touch on what she sees in the character, bringing out wonderful details, without dwelling on it to the point of absurdity.

The team wouldn't be that bad at all for the book. As said before, Grayson had her time on Nightwing. I may give the book a chance, probably if the first arc sells well enough.

I agree with this post. :)

Devin in my book is "so so" on some terms. I like her work and style, and the Nighting run she had was one of the best compared to the one today that we have. :mad:

The whole "Batwoman" thing is getting a lot of attention, maybe a little too much. My dad even said that he couldn't believe it...which is a bit shocking. Overall, I may give her a bit of my money. :)