Why I think Cyclops is still alive

[tenkerbelle]

This theory is probably flawed, I'm just basing this off memory from seeing it for the first time yesterday, so correct me if I'm wrong on anything. Well basically I think Cyclops is still alive because when Jean killed people in the movie, they kinda just blew up and dissapeared but Logan found Cyclop's glasses in one piece, how come those glasses didn't blow up into pieces? So I'm assuming Cyclops is still alive but hes hurt or something. Plus they didn't really show him getting blown up, right?

[Amm-arD]

Yes. Cyclops is deff alive.

[Heretic]

He wasnt wearing his glasses when he he kissed Jean, nice try though

[kieron39]

i think for the movie cyclops died, but if there was to be a sequel they would bring him back if the story needed him, or if enough fans hate the fact he's dead, because the fact is we didnt actually see him die.... i think that was a good decision by the director not to actually show it incase he was needed in the future. phoenix was agravated to kill the other ppl she did, but with scott there was no reason, she was kissing him, and the effect they started to show was totally different to the others death. jus my theory.

[Heretic]

Even when they show a character die the fans still want them back...how many "lets bring back back lady deathstrike": threads were there?

Xavier was killed pretty darn dead but hes already back.

I hate X3

[Amm-arD]

Yeah, a bit like the ending of X3, blatantly Magento will regain all of his powers for x4.Just like Cyclops is not dead and will return in X4..Now, if only they can get back Proff X??!

[Chou Gohan]

By not showing is death, they did leave open a chance for him to come back, but I still say they killed him. And even if he was alive, would he still have his powers?

[kieron39]

well i think it was stupid how they brought back prof X i dunerstand that the death was a good part of the movie, acctually it was my favourite part, the whole part at jeans hows was amazing. but this movie took away all the realism from films 1 and 2, especially with the body jumping. but whatever, i think if they were to kill of cycks it should of been the way they prof X.

[Daniella]

Thatá what I'm writting in my story... i too think he is not dead... but hert as i'm putting on it...

Dany

[fruits]

cyclops is dead......everyone says he must be alive cuz we didn't see him die and their was no body!! that means nothing except jean blew him into bits and there's no body to be found. the glasses, like already stated, were not on him when he was killed, so that explains that. cyclops is dead. good riddance if you ask me. don't expect to see him again

[DarknessOfDeath]

then how do you explain the part when Jean is found lying on the ground?

[fruits]

cuz she used so much power it wiped her out. she was tired. or the jean part of her kicked in and she realized that she just killed scott and passed out. BAM. two possible explanations to that one

[Edward Brock]

I guess this is truly a comic book movie, for better and worse! Even deaths are "fake"! :rolleyes:

[Daniella]

cuz she used so much power it wiped her out. she was tired. or the jean part of her kicked in and she realized that she just killed scott and passed out. BAM. two possible explanations to that one

If this is true, why she was fould in another part of the lake ? Remember, she was on the big stone with Scott... if she was tired because of her powers, where she had the strenght to relocated herself and colapse ?

Dany

[Heretic]

If this is true, why she was fould in another part of the lake ? Remember, she was on the big stone with Scott... if she was tired because of her powers, where she had the strenght to relocated herself and colapse ?

Dany

After killing Scott, Jean had a massive battle with Gambit, after 15 minutes of nonstop action, Gambit fled and Jean collapsed.

Fox didnt think anyone would be interested in this so they burned the copies.

[fruits]

i doubt it. i honestly think the blast could've blown her back. or maybe cyclops tried to fight back and nailed her with his beams, but ended up dying neway.

[DarknessOfDeath]

cuz she used so much power it wiped her out. she was tired. or the jean part of her kicked in and she realized that she just killed scott and passed out. BAM. two possible explanations to that one

Very unlikely in regards to using too much power... what I saw was a glimpse of her power but at the same time, Scott realized something was up and thats when he opened his eyes and then cut... but again, his powers might have kicked back in and he tried to stop her... he could been sent flying back into the woods somewhere by the blast kinda like in X2...well both were sent back, hence Jean lying on the ground unconcious.

again...we don't know for sure.

[kieron39]

we saw nothing, anything could have happened in between the time we saw scott "dieing" fox did this on purpose. we dont know, they want you to expect he's dead. i mean if they showd x getting killed, they coulda shown cyclops. it jus leaves it a little bit open, just incase u know.

[Iglius]

Wait, Professor X comes back at the end? I've already seen it, so don't worry about ruining it or anything, but I didn't notice it. Also, I personally think The X-movies are finished. So I really don't think it matters about Cyclops. The point was that the X-men were able to still make it through without either of their leaders.

[Heretic]

Iglius, after the credits roll theres an addded scene where Moira Mctaggart find that Xavier has transferred his consciousness into the comatose man that was beifly mentioned early in the film.

[Iglius]

Ah, this I did not know. I was with a bunch of friends who were in a rush to get out after it ended.

[Heretic]

The point is that the one death that was handled well and impacted the characters ended up being completely negated by the end of the movie.

[TheReverseFlash]

Cyclops is not dead, We'll see him again in about a month when he's in Superman Returns.

[gap5ewl]

he's still alive they even filmed two scenes for the ending with him to show it.

[WorthyStevens]

Even when they show a character die the fans still want them back...how many "lets bring back back lady deathstrike": threads were there?

Xavier was killed pretty darn dead but hes already back.

I hate X3

Except they didn't show him die. :rolleyes:

[comicgirl]

He wasnt wearing his glasses when he he kissed Jean, nice try thoughNice CSI move!!

[WTFimVENOM]

They didn't show him dieing because they wanted to leave the posibility of his return in a future X-movie

[tenkerbelle]

he's still alive they even filmed two scenes for the ending with him to show it.

Other endings!?!?!:confused:

[WTFimVENOM]

Other endings!?!?!:confused:
Actually they were never comfirmed

[WorthyStevens]

Patrick Stewart confirmed different endings...

[sparky_parker]

I think he is alive

[Dragon]

All of Jean's "killings" can be explained away in the sense that she could merely have done what the teleporters do in Star Trek- just broken her victims down and reformed them unharmed in some type of limbo. The good side of Jean preventing the Phoenix from actually disintegrating them.

[Lord Blackbolt]

The point is that the one death that was handled well and impacted the characters ended up being completely negated by the end of the movie.

I actually didn't mind that. Professor X has "died" and been brought back like a dozen times in the comics. lol

As for Cyclops, I definitely think he's dead. BUTTTTTTT..... If they wanted to they could easily have him return. But I doubt they will. Easy way of having him return. Moments after Jeans death, she willed him back to life with her last bits of power. Cause...if she can demolecularize people...why can't she remolecularize them?

Also...if there's a sequel and not have Scott return, I'd love to at least have Havok join the team. Say he's Scott's brother and he came to join the X-men to honor his brother.

[SickBoy]

I doubt they will bring him back if they make an X4, he is dead as far as possible future movies go. But by not showing his death, there is the possibility that he could be brought back.

However, I think they just want cyclops fans to think that he could still be alive somewhere, so that they are not completely disappointed.

[Super Flight]

If james is in superman returns, then cyclopse is dead for sure

[The Batman]

come on folks, if they wanted him truly dead, they'd SHOW him get killed, just like in earlier drafts.

The writers did this so cyke fans wont be completely pissed off. that, and the fact that marsden would do as many xflicks as possible, leads me to believe he'll be back.

[WorthyStevens]

come on folks, if they wanted him truly dead, they'd SHOW him get killed, just like in earlier drafts.

The writers did this so cyke fans wont be completely pissed off. that, and the fact that marsden would do as many xflicks as possible, leads me to believe he'll be back.

I'm still very pissed off.

But I'm just glad he didn't die.

[The Batman]

exactly. Not to mention that Brett alluded to the fact that he could come back, and kinberg said all fates arent what they appear. So please, stop acting as if scotts death is concrete fact. it sure as hell aint.

[Boiiinng]

come on folks, if they wanted him truly dead, they'd SHOW him get killed, just like in earlier drafts.

The writers did this so cyke fans wont be completely pissed off. that, and the fact that marsden would do as many xflicks as possible, leads me to believe he'll be back.

Contrary to popular belief, just because you don't see a body doesn't always mean they're still alive.

The reason they didn't show him get killed is because it would have ruined the emotional impact of seeing Xavier disintegrate. If we would have already seen Jean destroy someone, Xavier's death wouldn't have been so sudden, and all that talk at the mansion about what happened to Scott would have been pointless.

[The Batman]

And yet, we have ratner and the writers saying its possible he'll come back in X4.

nice try, though. Penn and Kinberg, knowing the fan backlash, made it possible that scotts death was ambigious.

[WorthyStevens]

Contrary to popular belief, just because you don't see a body doesn't always mean they're still alive.

The reason they didn't show him get killed is because it would have ruined the emotional impact of seeing Xavier disintegrate. If we would have already seen Jean destroy someone, Xavier's death wouldn't have been so sudden.

If they don't show the death, to me he's not dead.

Assuming he dies that way can still save the emotional impact of seeing Xavier disintegrate.

[Boiiinng]

And yet, we have ratner and the writers saying its possible he'll come back in X4.

nice try, though. Penn and Kinberg, knowing the fan backlash, made it possible that scotts death was ambigious.

So, you mean he's walking around the planet with his eyes closed?

Come on, he didn't even have a proper introduction in the first movie, no purpose in the second. Do we really need him to survive?

[WorthyStevens]

So, you mean he's walking around the planet with his eyes closed?

Come on, he didn't even have a proper introduction in the first movie, no purpose in the second. Do we really need him to survive?

It's possible.

[The Batman]

And plus....he's the first x-man. The true heir to the continuation of Xavier's dream, and one of the most rewcognizable x-men. That, and the pissed off cyke fanboys, is reason enough to see him in X4, plain and simple.

[Boiiinng]

If they don't show the death, to me he's not dead.

Assuming he dies that way can still save the emotional impact of seeing Xavier disintegrate.

But we don't assume. We have no conculsive evidence of how Jean kills people until she leaves the medical room by destroying the door, which is after she talks to Wolverine about killing Scott. Or didn't you hear her say, "Kill me before I kill someone else."

[WorthyStevens]

But we don't assume. We have no conculsive evidence of how Jean kills people until she leaves the medical room by destroying the door, which is after she talks to Wolverine about killing Scott. Or didn't you hear her say, "Kill me before I kill someone else."

It's possible for her to think she killed him, but didn't.

Who knows what's really going on in her mind.

[The Batman]

Or she thinks she killed scott. We never see her actually kill the guy. The only word we have is that of a schizo chick.

Until i see scott turn to dust, he could still be alive. end of story.

[The Batman]

and if she did kill scott, why didnt we see that when she was remembering what happened at the lake?

[Boiiinng]

And plus....he's the first x-man. The true heir to the continuation of Xavier's dream, and one of the most rewcognizable x-men. That, and the pissed off cyke fanboys, is reason enough to see him in X4, plain and simple.

Just because fanboys want it to be like the comics where mutants never die, doesn't mean it should be that way on screen. You're right, Jean and Scott were the first, so it's actually fitting that they are dead. Storm inherits the school as is discussed in the hallway with Xavier. The next trilogy, if there is one, therefore isn't constrained by anything in the first trilogy.

[Xofenroht]

Didn't Scott walk around with his eyes closed for some time in the comics? I remember him being in the desert and taking out some Acolytes.

[WorthyStevens]

Just because fanboys want it to be like the comics where mutants never die, doesn't mean it should be that way on screen. You're right, Jean and Scott were the first, so it's actually fitting that they are dead. Storm inherits the school as is discussed in the hallway with Xavier. The next trilogy, if there is one, therefore isn't constrained by anything in the first trilogy.

They don't show her killing him. There's always a way he can come back.

[Sun_Down]

We've seen one mutant regain his powers after being cured, we've seen one mutant come back from the dead, we don't need any more stuff like that. Xavier and Magneto's situations worked well enough, but to bring Scott back would just be too much, IMO.

[The Riddler]

and if she did kill scott, why didnt we see that when she was remembering what happened at the lake?
i was thinking exactly this.

[The Batman]

Just because fanboys want it to be like the comics where mutants never die, doesn't mean it should be that way on screen. You're right, Jean and Scott were the first, so it's actually fitting that they are dead. Storm inherits the school as is discussed in the hallway with Xavier. The next trilogy, if there is one, therefore isn't constrained by anything in the first trilogy.

Well, the fact of the matter is, we never see scott die. That, and the fact that fox knows how pissed off scott fans were, and the fact that marsden would come back, and the fact that THE WRITERS AND DIRECTOR alluded to scott coming back, AND the fact that, if there is an X4, they wont just rely on the x kids means that....scott will probably be in X4. Thats just the way it is.

[Boiiinng]

and if she did kill scott, why didnt we see that when she was remembering what happened at the lake?

See above post. It's called drama. You don't give away similar deaths early in a film, or before the more impactful one. It creates tension and mystery.

[The Batman]

OR....the writers left the door open for scott to return.

an "out" as it was referred to months ago....

[Boiiinng]

Well, the fact of the matter is, we never see scott die. That, and the fact that fox knows how pissed off scott fans were, and the fact that marsden would come back, and the fact that THE WRITERS AND DIRECTOR alluded to scott coming back, AND the fact that, if there is an X4, they wont just rely on the x kids means that....scott will probably be in X4. Thats just the way it is.

Do you work on the films? That must be awesome to know exactly what's going to happen on the next film which may not even go into production until 2009. :rolleyes:

Oh and Xavier tells Jean she killed Scott. I'm sure he wouldn't say that unless he no longer felt his presence in the world.

[WorthyStevens]

Do you work on the films? That must be awesome to know exactly what's going to happen on the next film which may not even go into production until 2009. :rolleyes:

He said probably. Not definitely.

[The Batman]

Just like you act like scott is straight up DEAD?

[Sun_Down]

Well, the fact of the matter is, we never see scott die. That, and the fact that fox knows how pissed off scott fans were, and the fact that marsden would come back, and the fact that THE WRITERS AND DIRECTOR alluded to scott coming back, AND the fact that, if there is an X4, they wont just rely on the x kids means that....scott will probably be in X4. Thats just the way it is.

That's not the way it is. In fact, that's the exact opposite of the way it is. They might pull some stupid fanboy-appeasing stunt and bring him back, but the man is dead. If he wasn't, Jean or Xavier would have known.

[Boiiinng]

OR....the writers left the door open for scott to return.

an "out" as it was referred to months ago....

I have no problems with "outs," but bringing back Scott without also bringing back Jean would be wasteful. It's obvious he only lived for her in the film. Without her, he would have no purpose.

[The Batman]

well, thats your opinion. mine is, its still up in the air. Period.

[The Riddler]

See above post. It's called drama. You don't give away similar deaths early in a film, or before the more impactful one. It creates tension and mystery.
yeah but the didn't need to show it the same way.

any sign he died would've been easily done.

instead, they showed nothing telling of his fate.

[WorthyStevens]

That's not the way it is. In fact, that's the exact opposite of the way it is. They might pull some stupid fanboy-appeasing stunt and bring him back, but the man is dead. If he wasn't, Jean or Xavier would have known.

Jean's all messed up and who knows with Xavier.

The point is, if he isn't SHOWN dead, there's always a way to bring him back.

[The Batman]

I have no problems with "outs," but bringing back Scott without also bringing back Jean would be wasteful. It's obvious he only lived for her in the film. Without her, he would have no purpose.


Because we all know scotts world revolved around jean, even though in the comics, we've seen scott move on repeatedly, even marrying.

[Boiiinng]

well, thats your opinion. mine is, its still up in the air. Period.

"Up in the air" but also "That's the way it is."

Get your story straight.

[The Batman]

"Up in the air" but also "That's the way it is."

Get your story straight.

Yup, the way it is is that his fate is undecided.

[Sun_Down]

You guys never cease to amaze me. You can really convince yourselves of anything when you don't like the truth. Remember the running time fiasco? Or "the effects are unfinished"? You're kidding yourselves...again.

[WorthyStevens]

You guys never cease to amaze me. You can really convince yourselves of anything when you don't like the truth. Remember the running time fiasco? Or "the effects are unfinished"? You're kidding yourselves...again.

They don't show him dying, he's not dead.

[The Batman]

well, you bring proof that cyke is dead, lemme know, ok sundown?

[Sun_Down]

They don't show him dying, he's not dead.

well, you bring proof that cyke is dead, lemme know, ok sundown?

LMFAO, you guys are making my argument for me. Need I really say more?

[Boiiinng]

well, you bring proof that cyke is dead, lemme know, ok sundown?

Jean says "Kill me before I kill someone else."

Xavier says "You killed Scott."

Jean kills Xavier who only kept himself together by mind power which Scott does not have.

[WorthyStevens]

Why again does Jean/Phoenix faint after "killing" Scott, but not when she kills Xavier, nor any of the soldiers/mutants she kills at the end?

[Boiiinng]

Why again does Jean/Phoenix faint after "killing" Scott, but not when she kills Xavier, nor any of the soldiers/mutants she kills at the end?

Some have said it's the first time she uses the full breadth of her discorporating power so that's why she's out. But she more than faints, she's far away from where it happened.

[Sun_Down]

Why again does Jean/Phoenix faint after "killing" Scott, but not when she kills Xavier, nor any of the soldiers/mutants she kills at the end?

Dude, all you're doing is proving your own point wrong. It would take much more exertion on Jean's part to kill Scott than it would to not kill him. She probably just fainted because she was still fragile from being in the lake so long or because it was emotionally intense for her.

[sonicphoto]

Anything can happen. Jean lived again with a power that only comic guys know but not me. I really found stupid that she has been all that time alive in the water and her hair grow omg wow. Girls keep your hair on the water for a long time if you want it to grow. The point is that if they can make Jean live again with random reasons that only the hardcore fans know then they could come up with something for Cyclops. Oh and why was mystique alive on X-men 1? Thinking about it she got hit by the claws of Wolverine which is the same thing he did to Jean but yet Mystique is alive and is less powerful then Jean. Haven't anyone think about this? Mystique gets hurt the same way Jean is by Wolverine and Mystique is alive but Jean dies. And so people would easily assume that she turned into wolverine so she could get cured. Well same thing is now happening with Cyclops. Boiiinng anything can change. Let people express their ideas.

[WorthyStevens]

Dude, all you're doing is proving your own point wrong. It would take much more exertion on Jean's part to kill Scott than it would to not kill him. She probably just fainted because she was still fragile from being in the lake so long or because it was emotionally intense for her.

But she's able to kill a much more powerful mutant (Xavier) with much more ease?

[The Batman]

LMFAO, you guys are making my argument for me. Need I really say more?


you have no argument. i dont really care for your petty insults, as you're really no better than any other fanboy with an opinion.

[WorthyStevens]

Some have said it's the first time she uses the full breadth of her discorporating power so that's why she's out. But she more than faints, she's far away from where it happened.

Couldn't it be logical that Scott's powers knocks both of them back? That's how Jean ends up where she is knocked out, and Scott could've been knocked far back into the forest?

[Sun_Down]

But she's able to kill a much more powerful mutant (Xavier) with much more ease?

Think about this, she just woke up from a sort of psychic coma when she killed Scott. When she killed Xavier, she'd been awake longer and had been letting her powers expand to their full potential. So yes, she could have killed Xavier without passing out. And she was weakened by it, just not as much.

you have no argument. i dont really care for your petty insults, as you're really no better than any other fanboy with an opinion.

I have no argument? You're the one proposing that both Jean and Xavier were either lying or wrong about Scott's death for no apparent reason. Jean knew that she killed him, which is why she asked Wolverine to kill her in the lab. Xavier knew because he's the most powerful telepath on Earth. If Scott were really alive, he would have known and he certainly would have told Jean when they were squaring off. Those two, more than anyone, would know the truth and neither character would have any incentive to lie. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they pulled some stupid stunt to bring him back, but the man is dead. Deal with it.

[The Batman]

Your opinion. Not mine. Deal with that.

[Sun_Down]

Couldn't it be logical that Scott's powers knocks both of them back? That's how Jean ends up where she is knocked out, and Scott could've been knocked far back into the forest?

No, it's not logical because Jean realizes that she killed him when she was in the lab. And if that were the case, they would have touched on it in the film. They're not gonna have a flashback to that moment and show that he's somehow alive in X4, that would just confuse people.

[Kyle Katarn]

Cyke is my favorite X-Man, so I'll happly go along with any no body = NOT DEAD theories! :D

[WorthyStevens]

No, it's not logical because Jean realizes that she killed him when she was in the lab. And if that were the case, they would have touched on it in the film. They're not gonna have a flashback to that moment and show that he's somehow alive in X4, that would just confuse people.

Jean's mind is pretty messed up right now. She could've seen it happen in her mind, but she might not have.

Let's not forget that it took Xavier some time to figure out that Jean was still living, at the very end of X2.

But, they left it open for Scott to return. Let's leave it at that.

However, I still think he's living.

[The Batman]

Not to mention, that one article on the movie said that during the story, certain members would be missing in action.

only cyke really fits that bill

[WorthyStevens]

And reports of there being an alternate scene with Scott in a hospital bed at the end of the movie, ala Xavier w/ Moira.

[sonicphoto]

Hahaha. You guys say think about it she might have gone into a comma or was tired being on the lake. See you are assuming has well just like everyone is also assuming about Cyclops so none of you really make no sense. You can all talk but guess what none of you are directors nor work on the series. Let the people that want Cyclops back do all they can and see if they listen. Don't go against them because including Cyclops again is not going to ruin things is going to fix things because many people don't feel happy about this people who died. Let the writters and director decide what they really want to do and if they will listen to the people or not.

[The Batman]

i guess so, sonic. But with the ambiguous death, the actor willing to do another, and the fact that fox might need as many of the originals back as possible, i'd say cykes return is likely.

[Coreo]

Cyclops is a goner. Xavier sensed it right when it happened. Did you see the look on his face? Then at Jean's house, he said, "Jean, you killed Scott...the man you loved." If Cyclops was dead, he would indeed be the one to know! He's the world's most powerful telepath! And another thing, Jean herself realized she killed Scott. She has a psychic connection with him I'm sure!

[CapBeerCino]

And yet, we have ratner and the writers saying its possible he'll come back in X4.

nice try, though. Penn and Kinberg, knowing the fan backlash, made it possible that scotts death was ambigious.


Link?

[CapBeerCino]

Patrick Stewart confirmed different endings...

Which if I understand #1 is Magneto playing chess and #2 is the one with Moria.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232131&highlight=Patrick+Stewart

[Kyle Katarn]

Cyclops is a goner. Xavier sensed it right when it happened. Did you see the look on his face? Then at Jean's house, he said, "Jean, you killed Scott...the man you loved." If Cyclops was dead, he would indeed be the one to know! He's the world's most powerful telepath! And another thing, Jean herself realized she killed Scott. She has a psychic connection with him I'm sure!


Eh....kinda like how Chuck knew right away that Jean was still alive at the end of X2? And how he was so sure he rushed the X-Men back to the lake to save her?

As for Jean's psychic bond with Scott...see above. If I recall it was a 2-way ling and if it was still active, Scott would have been back at the lake to get her. And let's not forget Jean was a little coo-coo from the whole trauma.

[The Batman]

Link?

Remember when Ratner was saying that Cycke could come back like jean did in x3?

He said something like "Nothing is forever in the Marvel Universe. I remember jean dying in x2, but i saw jean on set my first day shooting"

Surely, i'm not the only one who remembers ratner saying that.

[CapBeerCino]

Remember when Ratner was saying that Cycke could come back like jean did in x3?

He said something like "Nothing is forever in the Marvel Universe. I remember jean dying in x2, but i saw jean on set my first day shooting"

Surely, i'm not the only one who remembers ratner saying that.

I'm afraid I don't remeber that.
I believe Scott is dead.
If Fox gave a damn about fan reaction they had time to change the AICN script but they didn't. They could make Scott the secret scene yet again they didn't. If they didn't use him in the Phoenix saga (!) they won't bother bringing him back for any other story line. And with that 107,000000$ in their pockets - why should they? If it's working don't fix it. The next movie (should there be any - and I hope not) would probably be the x-kids with Storm as their guide.

[WorthyStevens]

Remember when Ratner was saying that Cycke could come back like jean did in x3?

He said something like "Nothing is forever in the Marvel Universe. I remember jean dying in x2, but i saw jean on set my first day shooting"

Surely, i'm not the only one who remembers ratner saying that.

I remember. It was the same interview where Ratner confirmed the Sentinel.

[The Batman]

thats a very understandable view, cap

[sonicphoto]

''Make no mistake my brothers Fox wants to cure the comics but I say we are the cure''.

[Xplicit Content]

His death was ambiguous...to the point where, if they wanted to bring him back, they could.

[godlike13]

does it matter i mean none of the movies took advantage of Cyclops and his skills as a leader he was allways just there, what a wast of a great character

[CapBeerCino]

^ I liked him in x-1 and the x-2 ending was promising. If Storm died in x-3 she would have been the same case.

[MsNatchios]

Cyclops is a goner. Xavier sensed it right when it happened. Did you see the look on his face? Then at Jean's house, he said, "Jean, you killed Scott...the man you loved." If Cyclops was dead, he would indeed be the one to know! He's the world's most powerful telepath! And another thing, Jean herself realized she killed Scott. She has a psychic connection with him I'm sure!
In the comics wasn't Xavier sure Cyclops was dead when he merged with Apocalyse even though Jean refused to believe it? Who ended up being right?

[Eros]

msnatchios hes dead, the movie aint the comics. I dun see why thats so hard to grasp.

[MsNatchios]

msnatchios hes dead, the movie aint the comics. I dun see why thats so hard to grasp.
Eros, I "dun" see why you can't grasp that the movie is derived from the comics.

[darthbakpao]

cyclops is not dead, he's hovering unconscious right above where logan and storm found jean, they just didn't see him... remember how things in the surrounding area are levitating, including scott's glasses?

so i guess, he keeps hovering unconscious there and nobody found him, not until X4...

[CapBeerCino]

cyclops is not dead, he's hovering unconscious right above where logan and storm found jean, they just didn't see him... remember how things in the surrounding area are levitating, including scott's glasses?

so i guess, he keeps hovering unconscious there and nobody found him, not until X4...

...In a cocoon of optic energy?

[tenkerbelle]

I've heard rumors that Cyclops is still alive because of another alternative ending showed in parts of the world. Any truth to this?

[Boiiinng]

Eros, I "dun" see why you can't grasp that the movie is derived from the comics.

"Derived" does not mean "copied" either.

[Amm-arD]

...In a cocoon of optic energy?

haha!! It will be a very stupid reason when he arrives back alive in X4

[mustanger405]

Cyclops....must return. I think they intentionally didnt show his death on screen.

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[MJB]

Yeah, a bit like the ending of X3, blatantly Magento will regain all of his powers for x4.Just like Cyclops is not dead and will return in X4..Now, if only they can get back Proff X??!


Prof X isn't dead he moved his consciousness to another body, for god sakes the man was smiling before jean blew him up. This is something that has been done in the comics by a few different telepaths, which is also why Psylocke wouldn't be dead if they want to use her. Even though it was shown that Jean killed her(although it was never mentioned to be her in the film) she can come back. I think the best way to maybe go for a next film and to get Xavier 's body back may be to use a level 5 mutant like Proteus. With Moira's involvement in X3 it would be the logical step to go. It would be easy for Proteus to make Xavier a new body or make the one he's in look like his old self.

Telepaths that has have body hoped has been Jean Grey, Betsy Braddock, Shadow King, Gamemaster, Emma Frost, and Prof X that I recall. i may be wrong and not a 100 percent sure but i think Cable did it.

[X-Gal123]

I think that he may be dead but he might be resurected, along with Jean by Sinister to set up for the next trilogy. I think the people that said he didn't die because you didn't really see him die have a point. Phoenix didn't even destroy him like everybody else. When she killed other people she was looking at them and her face was totally concerntrating on demolecularizing them while with Cyke it looked like she "killed" him with Rogue's power.

[sonicphoto]

I think that he may be dead but he might be resurected, along with Jean by Sinister to set up for the next trilogy. I think the people that said he didn't die because you didn't really see him die have a point. Phoenix didn't even destroy him like everybody else. When she killed other people she was looking at them and her face was totally concerntrating on demolecularizing them while with Cyke it looked like she "killed" him with Rogue's power.

Exactly. It looked like the scene in X2 where Rogue is kissing Iceman. Well whatever the point is that he was not shown and since many people are commenting about his death then they could come up with something since they really didn't show him die.

[theguido]

Well, I can see it going either way, because while the possibilities are strong that she kills him, her "Kill me before I kill again" line only comes after Wolverine shows her the glasses and asks where Cyclops is. What the wild card is is how aware is Jean Grey of her actions when she turns into Dark Phoenix. If she is only vaguely aware of what was happening, she could have been aware that while she was kissing him her unconscious mind took over and not known the details--thus, seeing the glasses makes her believe that she in fact did kill him even though she's unsure.

And there's no way Professor Xavier can know for sure since he's having a hard enough time finding out where she is from all the psychic interference she's running.

Furthermore, I think it's possible (though highly unlikely) that once Cyclops realized something was wrong with Jean, he may have instinctively opened his eyes, and she being only somewhat awakened and not focusing on keeping his optic beam from going off, it could have blasted her and left her unconscious.

Just a thought. who knows though? What is for certain is they have wiggle room to do whatever they want.

[xmenfan84]

Well, I can see it going either way, because while the possibilities are strong that she kills him, her "Kill me before I kill again" line only comes after Wolverine shows her the glasses and asks where Cyclops is. What the wild card is is how aware is Jean Grey of her actions when she turns into Dark Phoenix. If she is only vaguely aware of what was happening, she could have been aware that while she was kissing him her unconscious mind took over and not known the details--thus, seeing the glasses makes her believe that she in fact did kill him even though she's unsure.

And there's no way Professor Xavier can know for sure since he's having a hard enough time finding out where she is from all the psychic interference she's running.

Furthermore, I think it's possible (though highly unlikely) that once Cyclops realized something was wrong with Jean, he may have instinctively opened his eyes, and she being only somewhat awakened and not focusing on keeping his optic beam from going off, it could have blasted her and left her unconscious.

Just a thought. who knows though? What is for certain is they have wiggle room to do whatever they want.

At this point, I would take almost anything

[AVP82]

...In a cocoon of optic energy?

LOL too funny :)

[Ben Urich]

Comic book rules apply:
No body = no death.
He could come back. :o

[AVP82]

Comic book rules apply:
No body = no death.
He could come back. :o


I just hope there's a fairly plausible explanation of how he'll return :)

[Nirvana]

Pretty much the whole series open for another sequel. I mean they could say that the cure was temporary (since Leech's gift only worked for so long) so that brings back Magneto, Rogue, and Mystique.

They could say that the Pheonix was so powerful it revived Jean like in the comics. And as far as Scott went, they never showed his body and she was indeed relocated. They can just make some explanation like she teliported him away, she tossed him away, he was left to die but rescued somehow, I mean this IS a comic book movie. These characters never truly die unless you see it happen or there body, which still doesn't mean anything. I mean they clearly showed Professor blown into billions of pieces yet he lives in the end. I personally think the X-Men series could live long after this movie and I truly hope that they bring back all the "dead" and "cured" mutants.

X-Men is one of those movies where most fans want to see keep living on. And it truly has the potental to live on. And even if characters die most audiences love when they come back (such as Jean). All I care is I really do hope they make another X-Men movie. As far as bad guys dying "Toad, Deathstrike, Sabertooth) thats fine, cause the villains are suppose to die any ways.

[cyke93]

I agree that bring cyclops back from the dead is very real and possible idea. the question is, if x4 were to be made, would they actually bring him back? would we want him to get screwed for yet another film?

but back to how cyke lives:

in x2 jean blocked his powers using her TK, and she was able to sort of deflect it back to him and both of them went flying and thats how the dam got ruptured. jean gets injured from the blast though i think it was just from hitting her lef, but cyclops is unhurt (which seems to flow in the comic world as well because havok and cyclops cant hurt each other using their powers)

so in x3, jean holds back his powers. they kiss and jean goes into evil mode. since she just came out of the water, she is not that strong, she cant demolecularize him and hold back his powers as well. i think cyclops gets his powers back and jean deflects it as well and both of them go flying, which is why jean is found on the ground and cyke could've went into the water or forest whatever ... jean just thinks she killed him because it all happened so fast and that phoenix took over her .

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It doesn't matter if Cyclops survived or not.

Cyclops surviving and coming back in and X-Men 4 won't change the fact that X-Men: The Last Stand championed Logan's love for Jean over Scott's.

[chaseter]

^ That is because Wolverine is the "star" of the movie Nell. Anyways, if they wanted to bring him back...they easily could. They left a ton of doors open to explain how he could not of died. I personally like the idea of Cyke sensing he is fixing to be killed and blasting Jean back. Jean held back his powers but then they both closed their eyes to kiss. So, Jean stopped controlling his beam...because his eyes were closed. Anyways, she starts to suck the life out of him and he blasts her like in X2 and they both get blasted apart. That would explain why Jean was not on the portruding rock and on the ground instead. Cyke could have easily been blasted into the woods and knocked unconscious...that is why Xavier couldn't read his thoughts...he has none...he is knocked out stone cold. Fast forward to some boy scouts finding him in the woods, waking him and Scott refusing to open his eyes. Voila! Cyclops is back...think of it as you will.

[cyke93]

if scott comes back, jean also needs to come back and we need to actually see them two together ! like foreal this time.

i think not having the phoenix flame in the movie may actually help for x4. the idea of phoenix is the whole "from the ashes" from death comes life. so jean can come back to life, surrounded in the phoenix flame.

what id like to see for a possible x4 is:
- cure turns into legacy virus (with some mutants gets it as a disease, some mutants their powers return, or in the case of rouge, a mutation on her powers)
- jean from the grave, senses cyclops alive and ressurects herself or cyclops turns up alive goes to her grave and triggers jean to come up again
- wolverine out and gambit in
- clean up this whole mess with xavier fast and quick because i dint even like that whole story

[xwolverine2]

I just hope there's a fairly plausible explanation of how he'll return :)
does it matter?:confused:

[AVP82]

Do you think audiences would want to Jean come back again...I certainly do, but I would think some might think: Jean...alive...again?

[AVP82]

does it matter?:confused:

Of course!

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

God, I really hope an X-Men 4 doesn't get made...

And if it does, I really hope it doesn't follow some of the ideas I've seen tossed around on these forums...

[DarknessOfDeath]

heh...boy scouts :p

[chaseter]

heh...boy scouts :p
That would make me laugh if some boy scouts found him! Even more if the scout leader recognized him! HAHA...Or...I would like it if he woke up, realized what had happened, yelled JEAN...NO! Gritted his teeth, clenched his fists in anger, looked up to the sky(camera overlooking him), opened his eyes and his beam shoots out. Have a far shot where we can see the beam shooting into the sky above the treeline.:up:

[DarknessOfDeath]

That would make me laugh if some boy scouts found him! Even more if the scout leader recognized him! HAHA...Or...I would like it if he woke up, realized what had happened, yelled JEAN...NO! Gritted his teeth, clenched his fists in anger, looked up to the sky(camera overlooking him), opened his eyes and his beam shoots out. Have a far shot where we can see the beam shooting into the sky above the treeline.:up:

hell yeah :up:

[D-scythe]

God, I really hope an X-Men 4 doesn't get made...

And if it does, I really hope it doesn't follow some of the ideas I've seen tossed around on these forums...

I agree. Some are really bad, lol.

Anyway, am I the only one not seeing the big picture here? Who cares if Scott is dead or alive? When you have Logan replacing Scott in a story he shoulda starred in, there are bigger things to worry about then whether he dies or not.

Besides, what does he have to return to? The X-team, who was like "Oh *****, they killed Kenny!"? A very dead Jean, whom LOGAN saved from herself? Xavier, a surrogate father picked at his shortcomings to Storm?

[chaseter]

Hell, I think Fox should run a promotion for X4 by giving the fans a chance to write with the writer's on a certain scene. Throw out a scene on the website and tell the fans to write it out. Set rules like time limit, dialogue, expenses, locations, etc...and the winner can have a chance for their scene to be in the movie or a chance to work with the writer's! Give the fans an official voice.

[Obsidian]

Hell, I think Fox should run a promotion for X4 by giving the fans a chance to write with the writer's on a certain scene. Throw out a scene on the website and tell the fans to write it out. Set rules like time limit, dialogue, expenses, locations, etc...and the winner can have a chance for their scene to be in the movie or a chance to work with the writer's! Give the fans an official voice.

I think FOX should just stop putting so many restrictions for the writers to work with. Give them space and maybe they can pull of a decent script.

[Jigga]

my opinion is that phoenix wants jean to think she killed him. phoenix is putting the idea of jean killing scott in her head, so jean is freaking out because of that.

[oneteen]

Or that Jean overcomes the Phoenix/controls it enough to look for Scott at Alkali and stumbles upon his unconcious body. With his clothes all ripped up and everything.

[CapBeerCino]

I agree. Some are really bad, lol.

Anyway, am I the only one not seeing the big picture here? Who cares if Scott is dead or alive? When you have Logan replacing Scott in a story he shoulda starred in, there are bigger things to worry about then whether he dies or not.

Besides, what does he have to return to? The X-team, who was like "Oh *****, they killed Kenny!"? A very dead Jean, whom LOGAN saved from herself? Xavier, a surrogate father picked at his shortcomings to Storm?

Sad and true. I wish I'd never watch x-3.

[Doright]

I think it's very possible even likely that he lives. I also think it could be an amusing story when he's found and he's $#@#@ off at Logan because no one took the time to look for him.

[Kurosawa]

I agree. Some are really bad, lol.

Anyway, am I the only one not seeing the big picture here? Who cares if Scott is dead or alive? When you have Logan replacing Scott in a story he shoulda starred in, there are bigger things to worry about then whether he dies or not.

Besides, what does he have to return to? The X-team, who was like "Oh *****, they killed Kenny!"? A very dead Jean, whom LOGAN saved from herself? Xavier, a surrogate father picked at his shortcomings to Storm?

Exactly. The entire series sucked for Cyclops.

I wish they'd never even made the X-Men movies.

[D-scythe]

Exactly. The entire series sucked for Cyclops.

I wish they'd never even made the X-Men movies.

Well, it wasn't all bad. There were fun parts to the ride. It was entertaining, if biased.

[Amm-arD]

so are people saying that its possible for Cyclops, Proff X AND Jean to come back?!?!

[Endeavor]

Cyclops didn't have the glasses on when they were kissing, remember? She had asked him to take them off.

[FaT_tONle]

I just don't remember Cyclops being Cyclops without Jean by his side... what kind of leader would he have been without Jean... That's why I didn't have major problems with it because a Cyclops story never really worked without Jean... the solution for X4... Storm and Beast take over... Iceman replaces Cyke as field manager... and Rouge/Kitty become the Jean/Storm of X1... then build around them with the younger guys and Gambit...

[Johnny Drama]

Whether he died or not, he was still absent from pretty much the whole movie and that is just unacceptable.

[Johnny Drama]

Can I also say that Brett Rattner raped Scott Summers from all sides? From front to back, sideways, upside down, with the lights on and again with the lights off. X3 can suck my balls.

[supermarvelman]

If they do make any sequals and they involve Mr. Sinister and/or Apocolypse, my guess is that Cylcops is will be back.

[Tommy]

If Fox gave a damn about fan reaction they had time to change the AICN script but they didn't.

They technically did. This is the exact quote from the piece on AICN:

The script describes Scott’s skin as “shivering” until he is simply de-molecularized.

Based on that, originally they were to show it happen and it was going to be a certain thing with point of no return. But what we got was a quick cut away followed by them dancing around the subject for the rest of the film.

Yes, Jean says "Before I kill someone else", but Jean didn't know WHAT the hell was going on. Her very own flashbacks, which we saw, were nothing concrete. That's the extent of what she remembered, and I think she just feared the worst. Hell Logan himself wasn't convinced by it. "I think she killed Scott" he says to Storm. THINK. That's why they held a funeral for Xavier and not Scott, because they weren't sure of his fate. Yes Xavier says to her that she killed Scott, the same Xavier that didn't know Jean was alive for how many months?

The fact of the matter is that no matter what, Cyclops had to have a very limited role in this film thanks to Singer. So no they didn't completely change what they had written for him, but they didn't make it a certain thing like they had originally planned. They gave us all hope.

Jean being unconscious was very conspicuous, as it was her being in a different place. I'd say it's a very big possibility that the real Jean managed to break through to prevent Cyclops from being killed, but at the same time control over his Optic Blast was lost, sending her over to where we saw her, knocking her out, and sending Scott back into the woods far enough from the site that Logan and Storm wouldn't find him.

Say what you will, but SOMETHING has to explain Jean being out cold. She took out Xavier, a much more powerful mutant, and was fine. She took out tons of people on Alcatraz, and was fine. Her powers were limitless, and that's why I believe something had to have happened to her to be knocked out cold, not to mention in a different location.

[The Kid]

Jean knew she killed her man. tis why she wanted to be killed.

he's dead.

[Sun_Down]

Jean knew she killed her man. tis why she wanted to be killed.

he's dead.

And Xavier knew too. People, the man is dead.

Do you guys not see the irony here? Comic book fans complain constantly that deaths are never permanent and that writers always find a way to restore the status quo. We say that it's insulting to constantly revert to our comfort zone, yet whenever something extreme happens, like the death of a character, we ***** and moan for them to undo it. Now a number of extreme events have occurred in the movieverse and before the dust can even settle, you're all asking them to restore the status quo! If they bring Cyke back, it will set the same precedent for death in the movieverse that we have in comicverse, and that should not come to pass.

[lordofthenerds]

He's dead. His skin was ****ing bubbling.

[ZombieONE]

(if there is a deleted scene showing him die then what im about to type has just been proven wrong)

they didnt show him die. so they could bring him back if they wanted. end of story.

[Kurosawa]

Can I also say that Brett Rattner raped Scott Summers from all sides? From front to back, sideways, upside down, with the lights on and again with the lights off. X3 can suck my balls.
:up: :up: :up: :up:

[Tommy]

And Xavier knew too. People, the man is dead.



Just like he knew Jean was dead right? You'd think if Xavier knew Scott was dead he'd have told Logan and Storm. But did he? He only mentions this to Jean, I almost get the idea like he says this just to get a reaction out of her and try to knock some sense into her.

[Tommy]

Jean knew she killed her man. tis why she wanted to be killed.

he's dead.

Did you see her flashbacks? Cause I did, and they didn't show Scott actually being killed. She feared the worst because she knows she has no control.

[The Kid]

...hmm

She said she killed him though. Flashbacks looked back before she killed him.

he's dead. The prof probably would have used cerebro to find him if he thought he was alive. Maybe he did and couldn't get a lock on a dead guy.

[Tommy]

...hmm

She said she killed him though. Flashbacks looked back before she killed him.

he's dead. The prof probably would have used cerebro to find him if he thought he was alive. Maybe he did and couldn't get a lock on a dead guy.

No she never said she killed him. Hence why Logan says "I THINK she killed Scott."

[The Kid]

Of course he thinks she skilled scott. She tells him, "kill me before I kill someone else" when he asks her what happened to scott. It's reasonable to assume she was talking about that part we saw where scott's face was crumpling or something when she was kissing him.

[Tommy]

Of course he thinks she skilled scott. She tells him, "kill me before I kill someone else" when he asks her what happened to scott. It's reasonable to assume she was talking about that part we saw where scott's face was crumpling or something when she was kissing him.

Yes we assume. He assumes. But do we know beyond the shadow of a doubt? That's why Xavier was given a funeral and Scott wasn't even mentioned.

[MsNatchios]

I think it's too early to speculate. It wouldn't surprise me if Fox doesn't pay any heed to the fan outcry over Cyclop's death...especially since it opens up more screen time for their precious cashcow, Wolverine.

[The Kid]

if the man wasn't dead, he'd have gone back to the bloody mansion. Cyke would definitely want to find jean again since he's depressed because he lost jean and now she's back. so I'm just making a judgment based on plenty of evidence that I think's good enough to indicate he's no longer alive.

[supermarvelman]

He is alive

[CapBeerCino]

if the man wasn't dead, he'd have gone back to the bloody mansion. Cyke would definitely want to find jean again since he's depressed because he lost jean and now she's back. so I'm just making a judgment based on plenty of evidence that I think's good enough to indicate he's no longer alive.

If Fox wants Cyke alive they can play with that. The rumored scene about Scott being "mental" actualy makes sense: Someone found Scott who won't open his eyes and got him hospitalised. The doctors think he's mad, he ask them to contact Charled Xavier, they try to and tell Scott he is dead...
The thing is Fox won't want Scott back. So the fans are pissed - so what?
Didn't hurt their bank account - so why would they give a damn?

[supermarvelman]

They left it open so the Writers for X4 could bring him back as they see fit.

I garuantee that if Sinister is the next villian, Cyke will be back.

[Chou Gohan]

some mentioned it already, remember when Cyke opened his eyes, his face started moving (sorry don't know how to describe it) Now I believe that he's dead, but what we saw happen to him was completely different from how Prof X and the other people we saw killed. In my opinion it appeared he was started to glow red, and that had me thinking, what if Jean didn't remove his powers, but somehow turned in on him instead?

[cyke93]

if sinister is the villian, he'll be interested in wolverines claws and healing powers, fox screwed cyclops up in the worst way.

i am hoping that the 2nd weekend of x-men does really poorly. this would show fox that thet did fck up. i expected a strong showing for the 1st weekend but everyone i talked to who saw the movie, all agreed that it either sucked or was not as good as they thought it would be.

[CapBeerCino]

They left it open so the Writers for X4 could bring him back as they see fit.

I garuantee that if Sinister is the next villian, Cyke will be back.

Like he did for the Phonix saga (!)
If they didn't use him in that story-line I'd think twice before garuanting anything.

[D-scythe]

It's funny when people make all these possible stories up for Cyclops to have a bigger role in the next X-men movie. Don't you guys get it? If Cyke got shafted in a Phoenix story for Logan, he's going to be shafted in every possible story in X4 for Logan.

Honestly, what makes you guys cling to these false hopes of Cyke coming back from the dead and playing hero? I'll tell you right now, if Cyke does come back for X4, they'll just make him some pansy ***** again just to make Logan a) look good b) steal his girl and c) be the X-leader.

[Johnny Drama]

It's funny when people make all these possible stories up for Cyclops to have a bigger role in the next X-men movie. Don't you guys get it? If Cyke got shafted in a Phoenix story for Logan, he's going to be shafted in every possible story in X4 for Logan.

Honestly, what makes you guys cling to these false hopes of Cyke coming back from the dead and playing hero? I'll tell you right now, if Cyke does come back for X4, they'll just make him some pansy ***** again just to make Logan a) look good b) steal his girl and c) be the X-leader.

Wolverine is not going to be in X4. Hugh Jackman said he wouldn't be doing any more X-Men Movies, and it would be foolish on marvels part to cast a new wolverine while Jackman is still playing wolverine in the solo film series.
My best bet is Cyclops returns since we don't ever see him die, and he leads a team consisting of Iceman, Angel, Beast, Colossus, Kitty and Rouge and insert new character here... (Gambit?)

[Johnny Drama]

Like he did for the Phonix saga (!)
If they didn't use him in that story-line I'd think twice before garuanting anything.


Hahahaha, I love how people are calling this piece of ***** "The Phoenix Saga". LoL!

[HughJackFan420]

he's alive

[taintedFB]

I think Hugh WOULD take a small role in X4 to focus on his own franchise. I think ultimately, he should be an ally and not an actual member of the team.

Gambit could easily fill his role as the rebel/ Bad boy. And he could clash with a returned Cyclops, when Storm "doesn't know what else to do with him" because he's a trouble maker. I don't have grand delusions of Marsden being the star of the movie, but I think he and Halle could have the biggest roles.

As for Jean, I think she should stay dead. The way it was explained it would be hard for her to be back and not be Dark Phoenix again. Plus, I'd like to see Scott independent of his "boyfriend" status of the last movies.

[PhoenixRising]

I think Hugh WOULD take a small role in X4 to focus on his own franchise. I think ultimately, he should be an ally and not an actual member of the team.

Gambit could easily fill his role as the rebel/ Bad boy. And he could clash with a returned Cyclops, when Storm "doesn't know what else to do with him" because he's a trouble maker. I don't have grand delusions of Marsden being the star of the movie, but I think he and Halle could have the biggest roles.

As for Jean, I think she should stay dead. The way it was explained it would be hard for her to be back and not be Dark Phoenix again. Plus, I'd like to see Scott independent of his "boyfriend" status of the last movies.

All you ****ing Cyclops fans ***** about him dying and then you say you want Jean to stay dead? Do you have no sympathy for those in a similar position?

You know what..... Im glad Phoenix murdered your precious Scott Summers and then tried to **** Logan immedietly following. I guess Scott just wasnt man enough to satisfy her needs.

[taintedFB]

Hey, no need for personal attacks.

If they can figure out a way to bring good Jean back, I'm all for it.

And its not so much that Scott died, but HOW he died and how he never got his moment to shine like the others.

[D-scythe]

All you ****ing Cyclops fans ***** about him dying and then you say you want Jean to stay dead? Do you have no sympathy for those in a similar position?

You know what..... Im glad Phoenix murdered your precious Scott Summers and then tried to **** Logan immedietly following. I guess Scott just wasnt man enough to satisfy her needs.

Wow, is it that time of the month or what? The guy expresses his opinion, and you totally go nutso.

[DarknessOfDeath]

My conclusion is this...

When scott opened his eyes, he knew something was wrong. He might have pushed her away from him when she lost control of keeping back his optic blasts. Jean, on the other hand tried to create a TK sheild but she got hit by the blast, knocking her out unconcious. Then we cut to Storm and Logan finding jean on the ground... but the question is... where is Scott? He either ran away lol... or Jean tried to push the blast back at him which might have happened in a way, and sent Scott flying back into the forest.

[The Batman]

All you ****ing Cyclops fans ***** about him dying and then you say you want Jean to stay dead? Do you have no sympathy for those in a similar position?

You know what..... Im glad Phoenix murdered your precious Scott Summers and then tried to **** Logan immedietly following. I guess Scott just wasnt man enough to satisfy her needs.

1. Jean has got a damn good deal in these films, hell the best character arc in the trilogy. Did Scott get the same treatment? No, he didnt.

2. Jean is clearly dead. Scott is more ambiguous. To flat out bring her back would make things look silly, but i wouldnt mind. people want these films more like the comics, and then they whine when resurrections happen.

3. Its not that we're not sympathetic...its just that jeans story is done

[WorthyStevens]

All you ****ing Cyclops fans ***** about him dying and then you say you want Jean to stay dead? Do you have no sympathy for those in a similar position?

You know what..... Im glad Phoenix murdered your precious Scott Summers and then tried to **** Logan immedietly following. I guess Scott just wasnt man enough to satisfy her needs.

Now I might just enjoy watching Wolverine overpower and murder your precious Phoenix each time I see the movie. Thanks.

[Sun_Down]

Just like he knew Jean was dead right? You'd think if Xavier knew Scott was dead he'd have told Logan and Storm. But did he? He only mentions this to Jean, I almost get the idea like he says this just to get a reaction out of her and try to knock some sense into her.

He knew Jean was alive at the end of X2. And just because he didn't tell them right away doesn't mean he didn't know. Did you miss the scene where Xavier cried out in mental anguish right after Cyke was killed? Your argument doesn't really hold up. The man is dead. Now, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they brought him back to life or just retconned the whole thing, but the fact of the matter is that right now, Scott Summers is dead.

[PowersOfMind]

Im sorry, but some speculate that maybe when they were kissing she started to go all Dark Phoenix on him and his powers kicked back in. But if that is so, if him firing at her was an accident or not, she would have killed him. Or Phoenix would have cuz that would have pissed her off. I have racked my brain for some possible way for him to have survived and im coming up with nada.

[DarknessOfDeath]

my brain hurts. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Xformation overload.

[D-scythe]

To flat out bring her back would make things look silly, but i wouldnt mind. people want these films more like the comics, and then they whine when resurrections happen.


Actually, common misperception. People want the characters to stay true to the comics, but respect the artistic licenses given to the movie producers to come up with their own story and such. It's just that in X3, they both went too far with their artistic license, and also they did not stay true to the characters.

[XCharlieX]

Cyclops is dead. The professor sensed it immediately. Doesnt take much to figure out, unless someone wants so bad to revive cyclops that they dont care what the film was doing.

[PowersOfMind]

How did they go to far with the artistic license?

[D-scythe]

How did they go to far with the artistic license?

Okay, simply considering the Phoenix plot in X3 (not the cure), they took certain, extraordinairy actions with their artistic license.

Character-wise, they replaced Logan with Scott. Actually, in X3, Logan's personality was closer to comicbook Scott than it was to comicbook Logan. If there was a Justice League movie, I wouldn't want to see Superman dying and Batman kicking Doomsday's as$ and moving in on Lois Lane. So why would I expect to see in an X-men movie Scott getting killed and Logan saving the day and moving in on Jean Grey?

Plot-wise, again, they made Logan the hero. In the actual Phoenix story, Jean Grey was the hero, not Scott, not Logan. It was about Jean's inner struggle, and how she overcame her inner conflicts to do what's best not only for her lover Scott but also for the X-team. In X3, they had Scott killed off and they had Logan saving Jean from herself.

There are other elements to a story, but in terms of comic book adaptation, usually character adaptation is the biggest one followed by adaptation of the plot, somewhat. Again, nobody was expecting a perfect comic book adaptation, but there's a difference between "staying true to the spirit" and "copy and pasting what was in the comics onto the movie screen." Nobody was expecting the latter.

[Knightsaber Priss]

i think for the movie cyclops died, but if there was to be a sequel they would bring him back if the story needed him, or if enough fans hate the fact he's dead, because the fact is we didnt actually see him die.... i think that was a good decision by the director not to actually show it incase he was needed in the future. phoenix was agravated to kill the other ppl she did, but with scott there was no reason, she was kissing him, and the effect they started to show was totally different to the others death. jus my theory.

Hellooooooooooo.......Mr. Sinister anyone????? And I''m not talking about that lame Ultimate X-Men one! My God!!! Is there anyone in here who has read any X-Men comics that weren't released past the year 2000?!

[ArmyOfDarkness]

I was thinking perhaps Xavier could've transfered his mind into another mutant whom has the power to travel through time, so he could prevent the entire disaster with Pheonix from ever occuring. Leaving X-Men: The Last Stand as basically a parallel future which could've been if not for Xavier's genius, since the deaths and loss of mutant powers in the movie would really piss of fans of the series and fanboys alike. But then again, my conclusion is only what I would consider a good plot twist for a movie which left me disappointed.

[XCharlieX]

If one feels they went too far with artistic license why are they making themselves go through the pain of watching these films they think is so awful and then ranting? Break out the comics and have a blast! lol

[PowersOfMind]

But why is that going to far with artistic license? X3 falls in line with what X1 and X2 set up.

[D-scythe]

If one feels they went too far with artistic license why are they making themselves go through the pain of watching these films they think is so awful and then ranting? Break out the comics and have a blast! lol

Um what? I never said I didn't enjoy X3, but I just thought it had so much potential to be better. And again, when did I say I wanted a literal adaptation of the comics? When I'm watching an X3 film, I don't want to read the comics - I want to see the film. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna be disappointed by some of the decisions they make.

I think some people are just looking for a fight.

[XCharlieX]

So you enjoyed the film, ok. Im just seriously baffled when people , maybe not you, go on and on about directors rights to alter things and then hate the film and then start writing their own weird version of the film when thats the entire nature of movies. One cant overrun movies just because comics are their lord...thats absolutely cartoonishly ridiculous. thats all im saying. People still left bashing x3 because some comic detail was altered really need to move on. And its absolutely rampant here... who complains about some firebird effect... really :eek:

[D-scythe]

But why is that going to far with artistic license? X3 falls in line with what X1 and X2 set up.

No, it didn't. X1 and X2 had their own storylines, so plot-wise, nobody was really expecting an adaptation of anything. Well, except if they were doing Wolverine's past like in X2, there should be some Weapon X elements in it, which there were. And character-wise, X1 and X2 did a fantastic job with the character adaptation.

Wolverine was basically comicbook Wolverine. Same goes for Magneto, Xavier, Jean, Scott, etc. (but Storm, meh).

Just for example, X2 was more a Weapon X story than anything else. It was Wolverine's story, and he got the spotlight. Fine with everyone, stayed true to the constraints to artistic license in a Weapon X story. Weapon X should be about Wolverine.

But in X3, this formula was abandoned. They tried a small Phoenix side-plot, but they just ended up glorifying Wolverine, without any real good reason to do so plot-wise. the impression I got was that rather than "adapting" the Phoenix story to the plot, they changed it to fit the plot. And that's an important difference, and where they went too far with their artistic license.

So you enjoyed the film, ok. Im just seriously baffled when people , maybe not you, go on and on about directors rights to alter things and then hate the film and then start writing their own weird version of the film when thats the entire nature of movies. One cant overrun movies just because comics are their lord...thats absolutely cartoonishly ridiculous. thats all im saying. People still left bashing x3 because some comic detail was altered really need to move on. And its absolutely rampant here... who complains about some firebird effect... really

Yeah, I agree with you - some people just want to turn things into their own fanfic. But on some things, like X3's adaptation of the Phoenix story, I somewhat agree with them. Just a matter of opinion I suppose.

[XCharlieX]

Wait a sec... you say they glorified wolverine.. when theyre supposed to.. I really would like to discuss this.

[D-scythe]

Wait a sec... you say they glorified wolverine.. when theyre supposed to.. I really would like to discuss this.

Okay...I said yes, they glorified Wolverine, and yes, I understand why they do it (he brings in cash), but what I'm saying is that there are better ways to take advantage of Logan's popularity without shafting Cyclops the way they did. What they did to Cyclops is borderline disrespectful, at best.

And I'm not saying this as a Cyke fan. I'm saying it as an X-man fan. There are simply better ways to give Logan more screentime than to kill off his (romantic) competition, having him move in on his girl and then saving his girl. IMO.

[XCharlieX]

Theres two conversations about this simultaneously which caught my attention lol

First off... that was some kind of flaw in scheduling im guessing because the guy was out of the film toward the beginning admitted, but the nature of films are like that, secondary characters can leave and go if theres some weird shakeup behind the scenes. I wouldnt mind if he was still alive, now that he is gone he should stay gone or risk some cheesy revival pill explanation. But thats the nature of fluctuating films that really are destined to piss off comic fans if they take it to heart. If i were comic fans (that hated the film) i would at least try to understand the land of cinema.

And for anyone saying "oh Phoenix came back and now xavier" yes true but look at the explanation. These are basically psychics capable of that area of abilities and that would even get cheesy if they start doing it too often or they use their abilities to bring many folks back like cyclops.

[D-scythe]

Theres two conversations about this simultaneously which caught my attention lol

First off... that was some kind of flaw in scheduling im guessing because the guy was out of the film toward the beginning admitted, but the nature of films are like that, secondary characters can leave and go if theres some weird shakeup behind the scnenes. I wouldnt mind if he was still alive, now that he is he should stay gone or risk some cheesy revival pill explanation. But thats the nature of fluctuating films that really are destined to piss off comic fans if they take it to heart. If i were comic fans (that hated the film) i would at least try to understand the land of cinema.

And for anyone saying "oh Phoenix came back and now xavier" yes true but look at the explanation. These are basically psychics capable of that area of abilities and that would even get cheesy if they start doing it too often or they use their abilities to bring many folks back like cyclops.

Yeah, unfortunately, I agree with you on this as well. Cyke should stay dead. But my reasons are different from yours. It's just that if Cyke is gonna get the shaft in a Phoenix story, chances are he's gonna get the shaft in every other story imaginable as well.

[XCharlieX]

Well the thing is if they slowed x3 the hell down they coudlve got much more out of scotts scenes than they did. I thought it worked but it couldve been at a bigger volume for all to hear.

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, unfortunately, I agree with you on this as well. Cyke should stay dead. But my reasons are different from yours. It's just that if Cyke is gonna get the shaft in a Phoenix story, chances are he's gonna get the shaft in every other story imaginable as well.

I personally hope they don't make any more movies anyway. But they actually could get around the unbelievable crappiness of X3 with a well done Madelyne Pryor/Mr Sinister story.

But really, at this point, I hate FOX, Wolverine and the movie franchise so much that I hope they never make any more movies.

[spider bat 555]

he's still alive they even filmed two scenes for the ending with him to show it.




Huh ?

[Artistsean]

I think he is dead
because this is the last X-men movie.

The stars have said this is the last X-Men movie,
Patrick Stewart said thsi closes the curtain on X-Men, Jackman said this is the end of the X-Men despite the teaser at the end.
In other words no more X-Men, or Cyclops.
So why not show him die? They didn't even show anything. It was like his whole scene was cut, no fight, no death, no escape, or anything.
Cyclops barely had a part in any of the X-Films really, especially in this one.
Even if you weren't a fan of the characters I think you would wonder why he was in the first few minutes and then gone without a very good explanation.
I just wish they would have rapped that up better, no closer for that character.
Other than the lack of Cyclops and not showing what happened to him, and wanting to see all the surviving X-Men standing together at the end of the film, I thought it was good movie.

But if they were to do an X4,
with Jackman doing a Wolverine spin off, Magneto doing a prequal, Storm not returning, and jean gone,
X4 would be a Cyclops movie.

[ComicKoryn]

Ya know what's funny? The entire time I grew up watching the old X-men animated show and reading the comics, I wanted Jean to choose Logan over Scott. And now that I basically saw that happen in the movie...I kinda wish they had kept it the other way around. I guess I should be more careful what I wish for huh?

[Proteus-X312]

well i think it was stupid how they brought back prof X i dunerstand that the death was a good part of the movie, acctually it was my favourite part, the whole part at jeans hows was amazing. but this movie took away all the realism from films 1 and 2, especially with the body jumping. but whatever, i think if they were to kill of cycks it should of been the way they prof X.What sort of realism do you want from a movie that has a man with a metal skeleton and another that can read minds?

[night_crawler_6]

Yeah, a bit like the ending of X3, blatantly Magento will regain all of his powers for x4.Just like Cyclops is not dead and will return in X4..Now, if only they can get back Proff X??!

errm hello this was the last xmen movie were did you get the whole idea about xmen 4 think before you speek.

[Golgo-13]

I haven't read through the entire thread, so excuse me if this has been mentioned but i know Jean Grey was the only level 5 mutant in X Men thus her awesome phoenix powers but wasn't Scott also a level 5 too? In The Animated Series, Scott and Jean were the only to 'level 5' mutants known, that's why Mr.Sinister was always after them and wanted to breed them to make an army. If Scott is also close to Jean ,power-level wise,(in the movies universe) then it is safe to assume that he did not die, so to speak.......

[chaseter]

I haven't read through the entire thread, so excuse me if this has been mentioned but i know Jean Grey was the only level 5 mutant in X Men thus her awesome phoenix powers but wasn't Scott also a level 5 too? In The Animated Series, Scott and Jean were the only to 'level 5' mutants known, that's why Mr.Sinister was always after them and wanted to breed them to make an army. If Scott is also close to Jean ,power-level wise,(in the movies universe) then it is safe to assume that he did not die, so to speak.......
HMMMM...never thought of that. I don't think he is dead. His skin started to bubble but not evaporate like everyone elses that the Phoenix killed. She did something to him but I do not think she killed him. His death would have looked the same as the others...and there is a very good reason why we didn't see him actually die on screen.

[Image]

After killing Scott, Jean had a massive battle with Gambit, after 15 minutes of nonstop action, Gambit fled and Jean collapsed.

Fox didnt think anyone would be interested in this so they burned the copies.

Lol, I don't know if Gambit would be able to flee if that happened.

[Johnny Drama]

The thing that no one seems to get is that even though he "may not be dead" he was still absent through pretty much the whole movie... Forget about x4, that is not even on Marvel's up coming slate. What we have is X3, and what we don't have is Cyclops. All your "what if's" and "Maybes" don't matter because this is not a comic book, it's a movie and a new installment will not hit the stands every month spanning 3 or 4 different titles. It's over. X3 is ruined and your day dreams of X4 can not change it, no matter how much you want to love this movie.

[celldog]

Dead means nothing in comics or movies. They brought Spock back after we all saw him die in that radiation chamber. Did we see Scott's body?? :)

Look.......maybe.....just maybe....the good part of Jean placed Scott out of harm's way just before the Phoenix could kill him.

[D-scythe]

Dead means nothing in comics or movies. They brought Spock back after we all saw him die in that radiation chamber. Did we see Scott's body?? :)

Look.......maybe.....just maybe....the good part of Jean placed Scott out of harm's way just before the Phoenix could kill him.

Yeah, but the "bad boy" never stole Spock's girl or his captainship of his team. IMO, it's better for Scott to stay dead than come back in X4 to a dead fiance (whom Logan saved, btw), find that Storm has taken over the school and the team, and that Xavier, basically his father, considered him inadequate before he "died."

[celldog]

Yeah, but the "bad boy" never stole Spock's girl or his captainship of his team. IMO, it's better for Scott to stay dead than come back in X4 to a dead fiance (whom Logan saved, btw), find that Storm has taken over the school and the team, and that Xavier, basically his father, considered him inadequate before he "died."


What a great storyline!! :up:

[Decay]

I think he is dead. Logan and Storn would have found him when they found Jean ... but they found nothing more than his glasses.

[Optic Rage]

There was a possibility or his return.....but after hearing Fox didnt even want cyclops to be in the movie...well no chance will we be seeing him again.

He's dead.

[Pizzaboy1138]

He's dead.

He's with Jean in mutant-heaven, having a good laugh.

[Optic Rage]

YES!

and they are like ''LOL @ logan going to hell for killing hundreds of people''

Well scott is anyways.

[Decay]

No X-man is going to hell:)...they are the good guys remember!!!

[WorthyStevens]

YES!

and they are like ''LOL @ logan going to hell for killing hundreds of people''

Well scott is anyways.

Heh, with the way things are going for Scott, hell won't even want him.

Scott will end up in limbo for eternity.

[taintedFB]

I personally think all of these spinoffs won't do nearly as well as X-Men. I think its just a way for the studio to cpitalize on the franchise without spending as much.

And X4 isn't out of the question, though I suspect at least six years before it even starts moving forward.

BTW: Zak Penn said that they did not intend for Scott's death to be open ended....I'm guessing the studio realized that they may want him back so decided to cut away and have him thought dead, but not actually seen dying...

THE GOOD NEWS: Penn said he doesn't think we'll see Wolverine in any more team movies! Scott can finally be the male lead with Halle as the female lead and Gambit taking over the rebellious outsider role left by Logan!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Really?? Tainted?

[taintedFB]

Yeah, on Xverse, Penn said he doesn't expect to see Logan in any more team movies.

He also said "the Last Stand" was a marketing thing tagged on after the fact, so writing it, they weren't planning on it being the end.

Also, Avi Arad mentioned that though there are no plans for X4, never say never. It's more about deciding on what story to tell and when to do it (talent availability).

So I think it is possible and like I said, Scott's death wasn't written as open-ended so props to the director/ editors/ and producers for giving us an "out" by cutting away and leaving it mysterious and ambiguous.

[DarknessOfDeath]

...Seriously...if so, this is the best damn news I've heard. thank you, Penn.

[taintedFB]

Or you could look at it the other way and say "If they stuck with what Penn wrote, Scott would be out of the franchise forever!"

No, let's stick with your more optimistic view.

Although, it's sounding like Fox said no Cyclops in this one, and the WRITERS came up with the idea of killing him. Personally, I would have rather had Scott gone in the beginning (on sabbatical since X2) and arriving ONLY during the final battle. That would give Storm the chance to lead, Logan the male lead, but bring Scott back for the future....

[HourManRocks]

not ONCE did ANYONE say Cyclops was dead. Not ONCE. Wolverine just makes that assumption and since he's the main character, we trust him. Yes, Jean does tense up a little when he mentions it - maybe she's worried that she may actually have killed him. But we are never given proof that Cyclops is dead.

Bottom line is:

If theres a sequel, hes alive.
If this is it, he is presumably (sp?) dead.

[spider bat 555]

Anyone think like me he should get this 3rd spinoff being written ?

[Angamb]

Just a thought, if Scott didn't died, why Xavier didn't know it, he would have knew it, but I'd love to see Scott again, but really all the "characther from dead" in these films I don't like it so much. I think with Jean was enough.

[Daniella]

Just a thought, if Scott didn't died, why Xavier didn't know it, he would have knew it, but I'd love to see Scott again, but really all the "characther from dead" in these films I don't like it so much. I think with Jean was enough.

Yes, but he didn't said that Scott was dead to Logan and Ororo... he just said that they had to go to Alkali Lake...

And what if Jean's powers were interfering with Xavier's telepathy ??? This may be the explanation for he felling something wrong but not seeing...

Dany

[D-scythe]

I think some of you Cyke fans are just reaching now. Cyke is, for all intents and purposes, dead. His fiance's dead, his leadership is dead, Xavier's confidence in him is dead. Even if Cyclops survived, X3 pretty much killed off Scott Summers.

Besides, having him return in X4 is gonna seem like nothing but a cop-out to the majority of people who would watch the movie.

[MaleRogue]

I think that Scott and Xavier and all the others are in another dimension...that Jean sended them to it...

[spidoman]

He's probably dead, but it's fun to dream. Another thing that I was thinking, not sure if it's been mentioned, but Jean was completly out after taking out Scott. He has no psychic powers and she was completly knocked out. She took out Xavier, probably the hardest possible to defeat, and she was only winded after she did that. Maybe cyclops was able to get his powers back, perhaps blow her away, but of course has to keep his eyes closed, as he has no glasses or visor. Or maybe his blast protected him in some way, similar to how Jean's power protected her from the wave.

But yeah, he's dead :(

[chaseter]

Jean could have zapped him into the Astral plane...no one knows??? We didn't see him physically die so there is always that ambiguity to bring him back next time.

[Sunstar]

Very unlikely in regards to using too much power... what I saw was a glimpse of her power but at the same time, Scott realized something was up and thats when he opened his eyes and then cut... but again, his powers might have kicked back in and he tried to stop her... he could been sent flying back into the woods somewhere by the blast kinda like in X2...well both were sent back, hence Jean lying on the ground unconcious.

again...we don't know for sure.

:up:I like that idea DOD! While DP was trying to demolecularize Cyclops she lost control of his eye beams and when they came blasting back at her she deflected them like in X2 but b/c she tried to control them the beams that came out were far more powerful and she tries to caccoon herself again but it explodes like the one she made in the lake and sends Cyclops flying into the woods and he wakes up with amnesia and as a result doesn't know who he his or where he came from.

Another thing is why was there so much mist and dust at Alkali Lake and why were there floating objects when Cyclops died/disappeared/demolecularized but there was none in the aftermath of her killing Prof X and none in the final battle! Either something far greater happened there or Ratner forgot/was too lazy to put it in the other scenes(or it might've been cut/rejected)!

I know I may sound like I'm clutching at straws but thats all I can do right now! :(

[Avalanche]

This theory is probably flawed, I'm just basing this off memory from seeing it for the first time yesterday, so correct me if I'm wrong on anything. Well basically I think Cyclops is still alive because when Jean killed people in the movie, they kinda just blew up and dissapeared but Logan found Cyclop's glasses in one piece, how come those glasses didn't blow up into pieces? So I'm assuming Cyclops is still alive but hes hurt or something. Plus they didn't really show him getting blown up, right?
The fact that Jean later shattered the glasses when thinking about what happened to Cyclops was pretty symbolic of the fact that she shattered him too in my opinion. Jean saying she killed him, and the Professor sensing his death too.

Cyclops is deader than the dodo.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well what i wanna know from Zak is this: Since we Didn't see Scott's death onscreen, is he really dead?!? Are we made to think he's dead?

[DRob]

:) Nothing to worry about

U know what's funny about off-screen deaths, they're off-screen for crying out loud! Everything about it is implied, now in the case of Cyclops's fate is the only sure thing that the audience knows is that wherever he is Cyke dosen't have his shades. Beacause simple logic would mean that if the audience would be able to see Phoenix literally dissolve/erode dozens of people even Prof X, so why wouldn't the filmmakers show his, "implied death" since he plays such a small, although yet vital role?:cyclops:



Just a small theory, but when storm and logan find jean she's unconsoius so maybe scott is too.
P.S. Wouldn't it be kickass if Sinister found Scott and held him hostage, and created a clone of Jean Grey, hmm lets call her Madeline and she comes back and takes her own revenge on the X-Men. Doesn't that sound familar? It would make a nice X4, but at the moment it sounds like a pipedream.

[crappymovie]

He's alive.

Agreed. Alhough it would officially mean most plot points in the film were completely reversed. But like someone said, this film acted as a good bookend movie....no impact on the franchise, just waiting for a new director to finish off the stories.

[DRob]

If they were definately going to make an x4, at least then us Cyclops fans would have something to be optomistic about.

[taintedFB]

Zak has addressed this issue.

He said when they wrote Scott's death it was not meant to be open-ended or ambiguous.

The fact that they cut away before seeing him die COULD be the studio/producer's way of leaving it open to bring him back.

BTW, by all accounts everybody loves Jimmy, enough for WB and FOX to work out the schedule to have him two both movies. So maybe FOX just wanted to punish him in this film, but not remove the character from the franchise all together.

Either way, we didn't see him die, so I believe that there is hope, with the right story and writer to bring him back.

By the way, I believe Cerebro is disabled ever since Stryker took that piece of it in X2. Xavier wouldn't be able to sense Scott so far away. He only sensed Jean because of the level of her psychic energy.

[Daniella]

Punish him ??? Well, since I read about his " death ", I thought about it... what Fox win with they punish him ??? I think that everyone on X - Men ( I mean, the actors... ) would be against it... and he wouldn't want to do it...

Dany

[WorthyStevens]

Punish him ??? Well, since I read about his " death ", I thought about it... what Fox win with they punish him ??? I think that everyone on X - Men ( I mean, the actors... ) would be against it... and he wouldn't want to do it...

Dany

No matter. They are still contractually obligated to do the movie, despite them being against some things or not.

[taintedFB]

I just think it looks bad that the studio told the writers coming into it that Cyclops was NOT going to be in it. And the writers had to fight to give him two scenes!

I'm just glad that they did cut away. His disappearance could work as a great set-up for a new story arc.

[WorthyStevens]

I just think it looks bad that the studio told the writers coming into it that Cyclops was NOT going to be in it. And the writers had to fight to give him two scenes!

I'm just glad that they did cut away. His disappearance could work as a great set-up for a new story arc.

Fox, as a whole, is a jackass.

Telling the writers Cyclops won't be in the movie, cutting Angel out of the final battle, and so on...

[lordofthenerds]

Fox, as a whole, is a jackass.

Telling the writers Cyclops won't be in the movie, cutting Angel out of the final battle, and so on...
The list goes on forever...

[DarknessOfDeath]

Huge cock? how'd u get away with that...avvy? lol

[Pizzaboy1138]

Huge cock? how'd u get away with that...avvy? lol

Here at SHH they killed my old screenname, that I use on other boards since ages. I had to re-register.
Be careful with that huge cock there!

[DarknessOfDeath]

Good God...WTH... you be careful :p

[Spare-Flair]

All of Jean's "killings" can be explained away in the sense that she could merely have done what the teleporters do in Star Trek- just broken her victims down and reformed them unharmed in some type of limbo. The good side of Jean preventing the Phoenix from actually disintegrating them.

Whoa, just had a wierd flashblack to Famke appearing with Patrick Stewart 15 years ago in Star Trek.

[Johnny Drama]

I think it is cute how people make up scenarios just for the sake of holding on to hope that the piece of ***** that is "X3" is only the beginnig of something better as opposed to the the terrible end to what could have been a fantastic trilogy.
Is he dead? Is he alive? Who cares? He was not in X3 and that is what we HAVE. X4 is not going to be made, at least not for a good 5 or 6 years maybe. So drop it. Let it.

Random hype poster: Aha! But you actually never see him die!

Gerard Way: Grrr!
[pulls out ray gun]