New pics of Toby with the black suit . . . Does this mimic Superman III?

[TheWebline]

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Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of). He looks all greasy, frumpy, unkempt, etc. In part II he lost his powers like Superman. Now in this one he looks like he's turning evil like Supes did in Superman III. I know it's just coincidence since that happened to Peter in the Ultimate storyline, but I wonder if people will start to wonder that Sam can't come up with any original plot lines.

[Green Goblin 1964]

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Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of). He looks all greasy, frumpy, unkempt, etc. In part II he lost his powers like Superman. Now in this one he looks like he's turning evil like Supes did in Superman III. I know it's just coincidence since that happened to Peter in the Ultimate storyline, but I wonder if people will start to wonder that Sam can't come up with any original plot lines.lame theory

[boydston_14]

I think Tobey actually looks kinda emo in thos epics. Is it just me?

[JTIZZLEVILLE]

I think Tobey actually looks kinda emo in thos epics. Is it just me?

well, if you think about it, Peter looking emo makes sense. I mean, emo kids are just nerds who don't wash their hair.

plus, the superman movies are too old for anyone to reasonably compare them.

[Venomosity]

I think Tobey actually looks kinda emo in thos epics. Is it just me?

I though that too :)

[BizarroAids]

So changing your hair makes you look more evil?:confused: :rolleyes:

[Visionary]

Lame and shameless Superman promotion, get the hell out of here Warner Bros. exec.! :D



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[neobido9999]

^ hmm, still open, you must'nt have done it righ...

Anyway, i like your theory, it doesn't really fit for film1, but both Superman and Spiderman 2 dealt with jacking it in, and it seems like Superman and Spiderman3 deal with the "dark side"

[Ill Wayz]

I also thought he looked emo

[Nebins]

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Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of). He looks all greasy, frumpy, unkempt, etc. In part II he lost his powers like Superman. Now in this one he looks like he's turning evil like Supes did in Superman III. I know it's just coincidence since that happened to Peter in the Ultimate storyline, but I wonder if people will start to wonder that Sam can't come up with any original plot lines.

Sam doesn't write the movie so it's not his plot line. Anyway it just seems like a natural way to go with the story. First he doesn't know what to do, then he doesn't want to do it anymore, and now he embraces the power and lets it corrupt him.

[Nebins]

Oh and he does look very emo

[TheSlag]

Someone tell me why Soups went bad in SM3... I have yet to see that flick, theater or rental. *kind of proud of that actually* :D

[fangrl06]

Oh and he does look very emo
not even a good emo

[fangrl06]

Someone tell me why Soups went bad in SM3... I have yet to see that flick, theater or rental. *kind of proud of that actually* :D
red kryptonite (or however you spell it)

[TheSlag]

red kryptonite (or however you spell it)

Damn... just like Smallville... you're not joking?!?!?!?!?! :eek: :down

[The Caped Knight]

red kryptonite (or however you spell it)

Oh God please don't say that . not Red -K from "smallville" .

[fangrl06]

Yeah, except it's worse because instead of turning evil like SV, he splits in two and fights himself.

[Gamma Burst]

He looks very emo!Nice pics,though:):spidey:

[TheSlag]

Yeah, except it's worse because instead of turning evil like SV, he splits in two and fights himself.

You gotta be kidding me. I gotta rent that puppy just to laugh at how bad it is... was... is that the one with Richard Pryor or was he in Soup's 4? Wasn't soups 4 the Nuclear Man or somesuch?

[fangrl06]

You gotta be kidding me. I gotta rent that puppy just to laugh at how bad it is... was... is that the one with Richard Pryor or was he in Soup's 4? Wasn't soups 4 the Nuclear Man or somesuch?
Sups 3 has Richard Pryor and Sups 4 he fights some really lame all powerful guy. Don't know his name, but he sucked. Don't see the movie unless you have nothing to do. Well, bye everyone.

[Spider-Man™]

Peter looking that way is the way to go, the suit takes control of him and it's a a choice of "I have this power do i use it for good?" Or "I have this power do i use it to my likings?"

Awesome me thinks.

[TheSlag]

Peter looking that way is the way to go, the suit takes control of him and it's a a choice of "I have this power do i use it for good?" Or "I have this power do i use it to my likings?"

Awesome me thinks.

The suit makes him go Goth?!@?!?!??!?! *wow... wonders never cease. :D

[Cyclops3235]

i think when hes showing the chest of the shirt only to the camera its when they will put in the effesct where the suit kinda flows over him. i love how he looks evil in the picture

[Symbiotica]

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[The Green Goblin]

I don't like that look at all, but unless, I'm wrong didn't Mcfarlane draw Peter with that funky hair in the late 80's/early nineties? Only reason I know this is the guy that made that Green Goblin's last stand fanfilm had the same hair over to the side and said it was a tribute to Mcfarlane. Could be a half-hearted tribute to Venom's (half) creator.

Looks like crap though. :o


Never seen Superman 3 ( or 4 0r 5?) either, I just always heard it had a dark Supes and a new love interest, with Lois taking a back seat.

[Visionary]

The suit makes him go Goth?!@?!?!??!?! *wow... wonders never cease. :D
No, the symbiote makes Peter want to be someone else, other than the preppy looking Peter from SM1 and SM2. Change in looks and change in attitude. The look is just for us to visually see the change. Goth usually means: Dark, Strange and Different. Of course, or should I say obviously, Peter did this under the influence of the symbiote, to get away from his former self.

Yeah, except it's worse because instead of turning evil like SV, he splits in two and fights himself.
It was indeed ridiculous, and totally different from what's going on in Spidey 3, now why would Sam Raimi want to copy one of the *****tiest comic book movies in history, that made about 15M domestically...people don't even think anymore, they just post?

Now, why the hell is this thread still open? :mad:

[Spider-Bite]

At least Manson can be intimidating.



I don't know about that. Freaky? well yeah. Intimidating? don't think so.

[Venom'sDad]

No, the symbiote makes Peter want to be someone else, other than the preppy looking Peter from SM1 and SM2. Change in looks and change in attitude. The look is just for us to visually seeing the change. Goth usually means: Dark, Strange and Different. Of course, or should I say obviously, Peter did this under the influence of the symbiote, to get away from his former self.


I agree totally.... you said it much better than I. Kudos! :up:

[Secret_Riddle]

I think Tobey actually looks kinda emo in thos epics. Is it just me?

i noticed it too somtins definently wrong wit peter.

he also looks very tired and sorta dirty (run down)

[Arcturus]

Look's like he got his hair to do that flippy thing, like that guy in that band can do.

[Liquid Snake]

hahaha spider-man even more emo now. damn

[Abaddon]

Edward Furlong much?

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

I agree with those of you who said that the "symbiote" (it HASN'T been confirmed that it is....YET.)- or newfound power is slowly corrupting the soul of Peter Parker, and thus he's outer appearence is changing as it is on the inside. Somewhat like the 90's Animated series when he first realizes that not only has his costume and abilities changed, but he FEELS the change within- which had him doing things that he normally wouldn't do. He's free of his normal inhabitions, and well....y'all know the rest! This movie is going to be the SHIZ-NIT! Bottomline!

[kiuju2k]

I agree bottomline spiderman owns every superhero movie.

[millennium movies]

Shameless copying... I guess thats the trend today...

[James"007"Bond]

I agree bottomline spiderman owns every superhero movie.

Go watch X3:o

[millennium movies]

^ I agree! Its so kiddie friendly and light compared to some other comic book films...

[Abaddon]

Raimi's love for Superman has alot to do with it.

[millennium movies]

I'd rather watch a superman movie if i wanted to see stuff or reference from it. Raimi, love or no love for S should be as original as he can be for a filmaker. Originality is what's lacking these days, specialy in films of this genre!

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

Honestly, Spider-Man and Superman are very similar in terms of them both being the flagship superheroes for their respective comicbook brands, and that they're THE two biggest superhero characters ever. With that being said, you can see how the two paralell each other with their unique legacys, and mass media marketability. So what if their movies have certain similarites, that just proves that no matter how different they are- they're really the same on a lot of fronts. Superman lives by the SAME principals that Spidey does: "With great POWER...comes great RESPONSIBILTY" That's just my take on it. But hey- an opinion is an opinion, and EVERYONE has one!

[James"007"Bond]

Yeah but each hero have their own trials and tribulations they experience. Why is it that Raimi choses to mirror his movies on the exact same themes of the original 3 superman movies.

[Spider-Bite]

Honestly, Spider-Man and Superman are very similar in terms of them both being the flagship superheroes for their respective comicbook brands, and that they're THE two biggest superhero characters ever. With that being said, you can see how the two paralell each other with their unique legacys, and mass media marketability. So what if their movies have certain similarites, that just proves that no matter how different they are- they're really the same on a lot of fronts. Superman lives by the SAME principals that Spidey does: "With great POWER...comes great RESPONSIBILTY" That's just my take on it. But hey- an opinion is an opinion, and EVERYONE has one!

well they are both nerdy, they both work for the media, and that's kind of it. I'm not a reader of superman and I have no idea what superman's comics were like during the 50 years before spider-man came out, so it's hard to say what copied what. I don't think raimi is copying the superman movies. I think he is copying the spider-man comic books. His daily life in these movies is petty much like his daily life in the comic books. The themes of the last two movies were in the comic books. I haven't seen the supes movies since I was a little kid, and I can't remember them, but these are spider-man themes. they came from spider-man comic books. maybe the supes movie had them as well, but perhaps those were copied off the spider-man comics.

spider-man wants to save people, but so do most super heroes. spider-man had to learn a lesson though to help him realize it.

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

As did Superman when Jonathan Kent dies, remember? (I'm speaking form the movie's origin of course.) He said, "All these powers, and i couldn't save him." He felt like dookie-on-a-stick, and guilty at the same time. So again, there's another similar trait that both characters embody. Read up on Superman's history, and i'm sure you'll come to the same conclusion, or at least agree with some of the points i made.

[Spider-Man™]

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Go watch X3:o

I didn't really like X3.

I agree bottomline spiderman owns every superhero movie.

I agree, Spidey is Marvel's crown jewel. :spidey:

[Visionary]

We've got ourselves a FLAME-WAR.:D

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

Yeah but each hero have their own trials and tribulations they experience. Why is it that Raimi choses to mirror his movies on the exact same themes of the original 3 superman movies.
Because they've had some of the SAME adventures as superheroes. They've both been cloned, (Superman's clone is Bizzaro), killed, and have two of the best arch nemesis in Lex Luthor and Norman Osborn in all of comics (No direspect to the Joker or Doc Ock!). As i staed earlier, they're so much alike its' ridiculous! But that doesn't mean that they're movie franchises are alike though. Sure, certain scenes may've had some similarities, but they still maintain their unique identities as a whole.

[Spider-Man™]

We've got ourselves a FLAME-WAR.:D

:spidey: :up:

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

We've got ourselves a FLAME-WAR.:D
NAH!! Not at all, we're just choppin' it up- that's all! (LOL!)

[biggles2000uk]

I agree bottomline spiderman owns every superhero movie.

Go watch X3.

No, go watch Batman begins, that owns everything

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

Dude Batman Begins can't even hold up to Spider-Man's left bootie! (LOL!) Hell- even a GLOVE! Batman Begins was a great re-introduction to the character and Batman mytho, but compared to Spider-Man 1??? Man you better stop smokin' that STUFF! (LOL!)

[Abaddon]

SM1 had enough cheese to make BB the better film.

[Spider-Bite]

As did Superman when Jonathan Kent dies, remember? (I'm speaking form the movie's origin of course.) He said, "All these powers, and i couldn't save him." He felt like dookie-on-a-stick, and guilty at the same time. So again, there's another similar trait that both characters embody. Read up on Superman's history, and i'm sure you'll come to the same conclusion, or at least agree with some of the points i made.

well it sounds like the superman movie copied spider-man and not the other way around. I don't know what happened in the comic books of superman way back. but I do know that you can only accuse raimi of copying the spider-man comics right there.

was SuperMan bieng selfish what caused the death of Jonathan kent?

[Spider-Bite]

Because they've had some of the SAME adventures as superheroes. They've both been cloned, (Superman's clone is Bizzaro), killed, and have two of the best arch nemesis in Lex Luthor and Norman Osborn in all of comics (No direspect to the Joker or Doc Ock!). As i staed earlier, they're so much alike its' ridiculous! But that doesn't mean that they're movie franchises are alike though. Sure, certain scenes may've had some similarities, but they still maintain their unique identities as a whole.

Let Luxthor is nowhere near Joker, Ock, Venom, green goblin.

[Cmill216]

Let Luxthor is nowhere near Joker, Ock, Venom, green goblin.

Actually....he kind of is. In notoriety, he's right there with the Joker in terms of most well known comic book villain.

[Dr. Weir]

So changing your hair makes you look more evil?:confused: :rolleyes:

I wouldn't say he looks evil, but he looks sick as in unwell.

[Dr. Weir]

Let Luxthor is nowhere near Joker, Ock, Venom, green goblin.

your kidding right?!

Ock, Venom and especially goblin are nowhere near Luthor in terms of notoriaty.

[Carnotaur3]

What's wrong with the emo hair if it's supposed so showcase Peter as evil... EMO IS EVIL! :)

[ultimatefan]

Oh, this crap again... Peter had stories with powers loss and dumping his costume in the sixties, and suddenly it´s a Superman II rip-off... You people do remember that Spidey wore a black suit and got a darker behavior way back in the eighties, right?

[Cmill216]

It was a natural progression for them to go with the "Spidey No More" storyline in SM2. He accepted his destiny, but did he REALLY no how much he'd have to sacrifice?

And now in SM3, he's fully accepted the sacrifices (as has Mary Jane), but what happens when that power you were blessed/cursed with becomes corrupted? Hence, the symbiote.

[ultimatefan]

It was a natural progression for them to go with the "Spidey No More" storyline in SM2. He accepted his destiny, but did he REALLY no how much he'd have to sacrifice?

And now in SM3, he's fully accepted the sacrifices (as has Mary Jane), but what happens when that power you were blessed/cursed with becomes corrupted? Hence, the symbiote.
Yeah, it´s a natural progress of the story.

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

SM1 had enough cheese to make BB the better film.
HA-HA! Well i ain't mad at'cha for sayin' that! Batman is more PG-13/Rated R compared to Spidey, who's a more family friendly hero- though misunderstood. Bats is more Dirty Harry with a kick ass costume, and cool ass gadgets to boot- so you got me there!

[Abysstare]

First, for the one poster that suggested Raimi had nothing to do with the story development for this film, that's flat out incorrect. He developed the story with his brother. A script writer took over from there.

Second, having seen the Superman flicks and the Spidey flicks, and having collected comics since the late 70s, there is no doubt in my mind that Raimi has been influenced by the Superman flicks. You can see it in the storytelling, the scenes, and the story arcs. I'd be influenced by them as well. There is not a chance that he wasn't aware of Superman II dealing with Supes loss of his powers when he drafted Spider-Man II. He'd probably even admit to it. So considering Superman III dealt with a Superman under the influence of red kryptonite, do I think it's sheer coincidence that Spider-Man III will be dealing with Spider-Man under the influence of a black symbiote? Of course not.

Now all that said, I don't think it matters all that much. While there are parallels and similarities, the Spidey movies are different enough and the Superman flicks were made long enough ago that it's not really a huge issue. I'm not going to say it's not an issue at ALL, but not a major one.

Besides, let's face it, all superhero comics lift from each other after a while, so this becomes a pointless argument if you look at it that way. I'm sure "Superman Returns" will lift a page or two from the "Spider-Man" movie textbook as it were.

As for why would Raimi utilize a storyline that didn't work the first time, ala Superman III, probably because he hopes to do it RIGHT. After all, it's not the idea, but the execution of the idea that failed.

So fingers crossed for a kick-ass third issue of this cinematic comic-book. :)

[James"007"Bond]

Because they've had some of the SAME adventures as superheroes. They've both been cloned, (Superman's clone is Bizzaro), killed, and have two of the best arch nemesis in Lex Luthor and Norman Osborn in all of comics (No direspect to the Joker or Doc Ock!). As i staed earlier, they're so much alike its' ridiculous! But that doesn't mean that they're movie franchises are alike though. Sure, certain scenes may've had some similarities, but they still maintain their unique identities as a whole.

Yeah I know they share similar adventures, all superheroes do most of the time but their movie franchises are alike. Its as clear as day, make the comparrisons yourself and you'll see. It doesn't help either with Raimi shooting his mouth off about paying homage all the freakin time and with SR coming out I think its about time Raimi stopped with all the homage crap for supes and actually started paying homage to the spider-man source material.

[TheBat812]

Where are these new pics of Tobey with the black suit?

[Batspider77]

Where are these new pics of Tobey with the black suit?Go to "Peter Parkers Photo Gallery"

[zanos]

Let's not forget that the Sam also molded his Peter Parker after the Clark Kent character from the superman movies.

[Ninjashadow]

Go to "Peter Parkers Photo Gallery"

Pardon my stupidity, but could you post a link? I can't seem to find the pics, either.

[Ninjashadow]

Nevermind, I found it.

[ZER0C00L]

First, for the one poster that suggested Raimi had nothing to do with the story development for this film, that's flat out incorrect. He developed the story with his brother. A script writer took over from there.

Second, having seen the Superman flicks and the Spidey flicks, and having collected comics since the late 70s, there is no doubt in my mind that Raimi has been influenced by the Superman flicks. You can see it in the storytelling, the scenes, and the story arcs. I'd be influenced by them as well. There is not a chance that he wasn't aware of Superman II dealing with Supes loss of his powers when he drafted Spider-Man II. He'd probably even admit to it. So considering Superman III dealt with a Superman under the influence of red kryptonite, do I think it's sheer coincidence that Spider-Man III will be dealing with Spider-Man under the influence of a black symbiote? Of course not.

Now all that said, I don't think it matters all that much. While there are parallels and similarities, the Spidey movies are different enough and the Superman flicks were made long enough ago that it's not really a huge issue. I'm not going to say it's not an issue at ALL, but not a major one.

Besides, let's face it, all superhero comics lift from each other after a while, so this becomes a pointless argument if you look at it that way. I'm sure "Superman Returns" will lift a page or two from the "Spider-Man" movie textbook as it were.

As for why would Raimi utilize a storyline that didn't work the first time, ala Superman III, probably because he hopes to do it RIGHT. After all, it's not the idea, but the execution of the idea that failed.

So fingers crossed for a kick-ass third issue of this cinematic comic-book. :)

yeah and then Rami will mimic superman 4 and have Spider man Vs Venom.

[ultimatefan]

Yeah I know they share similar adventures, all superheroes do most of the time but their movie franchises are alike. Its as clear as day, make the comparrisons yourself and you'll see. It doesn't help either with Raimi shooting his mouth off about paying homage all the freakin time and with SR coming out I think its about time Raimi stopped with all the homage crap for supes and actually started paying homage to the spider-man source material.
Which is EXACTLY what he´s doing, Pete giving up on being Spidey is a storyline from the comics and so is the black symbiote... geez...

[Duende Verde]

To all the fan boys, at least get your facts right if you're going to compare it to Superman III.
There was no red kryptonite in the third movie, it was synthetic green kryptonite laced with tar.:P

[Steelsheen]

Actually....he kind of is. In notoriety, he's right there with the Joker in terms of most well known comic book villain.

damn right! :up:

[Jlandsw]

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Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of). He looks all greasy, frumpy, unkempt, etc. In part II he lost his powers like Superman. Now in this one he looks like he's turning evil like Supes did in Superman III. I know it's just coincidence since that happened to Peter in the Ultimate storyline, but I wonder if people will start to wonder that Sam can't come up with any original plot lines.

LMAO, Spider-Man 4 - Spiderman takes on Nuclear Man!!!

[SLYspyder]

quite frankly, in the public eye, none of the villains are well known.

[Tony Stark]

LOL! I should have seen this threat, as I posted that on the Pete pics thread.

However, I really doubt Raimi is paying homage to Superman III.

In the comics wasn't it red kryptonite in the comics that turned Superman bad? In Superman III, it's Kryptonite laced with Nicotine! LMAO!!! Damn those people at Philip Morris!

[Spider-Fan]

If it weren't for the fact that theses things happend to Peter in the comics, or the fact that it is a logical way to progress the movies, I'd agree the Spider-Man films mimic the Supes films, but the fact is THESE HAPPEND IN THE COMIC!!! Stop with that Spider-Man mimics Superman crap. It is nonsense. Read a Spider-Man comic before making these points.

[Reikowolf]

If Spider-Man 3 were like Superman 3

1. Harry would want to take over the world using some sort of super computer.. to get his money back from the Octavius debacle

2. Chris tucker creates the symbiote to prevent Spider-Man from stopping Harry.

3. Sandman is a throw away character... perhaps so much so that he is the equivelent of that weird electric she-monster at the end of Superman 3.

4. Spidey faces off with the symbiote and wins... also don't forget the part where he picks up a hooker while under the influence of the symbiote

5. and I die a little inside

[Spider-Bite]

As for why would Raimi utilize a storyline that didn't work the first time, ala Superman III, probably because he hopes to do it RIGHT. After all, it's not the idea, but the execution of the idea that failed.

So fingers crossed for a kick-ass third issue of this cinematic comic-book. :)

"It's not easy being me" said supes to Lane. I can see already that this movie will rip off of spider-man big time. the personality and feel of the movie will be exactly the same.

I still say Raimi has only ripped off of the spider-man comic book, and he has not ripped off of the superman movies. Spider-Man no more happened in the comic books, so that's why he did it. He even copied that one scene to look identical to the cover of the issue where it happened. The suit in the trash can? That's influenced from the comic book not the supes movie.

In the first movie? spider-man used his powers for greed and self gain. He didn't care about helping people. He cared about making money. that's a spider-man thing.

[Abaddon]

I think Raimi ruined Spideys "greed and self gain" by having justified Peter letting the robber get away.

[Spider-Bite]

I think Raimi ruined Spideys "greed and self gain" by having justified Peter letting the robber get away.

what? how could you say Raimi ruined it? that is exactly what happened in the comic book. that's how it originally was. that was Stan's idea, so how did Raimi ruin it?

IT WAS ALREADY LIKE THAT! :o

[Jlandsw]

I think Raimi ruined Spideys "greed and self gain" by having justified Peter letting the robber get away.

Ok, that's just dumb. Shut up

[Spider-Bite]

that's one of the greatest story arcs of spider-man's history. possibly the greatest. that's what made him who he is.

[ProjectPat2280]

that's one of the greatest story arcs of spider-man's history. possibly the greatest. that's what made him who he is.

I agree. Hell, its THE arc, with out it, there probably is no Spider-Man.

[Jack O'Lantern]

Oh and he does look very emo

What the hell is emo????? :confused:

[kaijunexus]

http://chester.blig.ig.com.br/imagens/emo.jpg

[Visionary]

If that's EMO, that's pretty much how 80% of (Teens/young adults) New Yorkers dress.:confused:

[Cmill216]

Emo isn't just a look. It's a state of mind.

[TwilightPro101]

To all the fan boys, at least get your facts right if you're going to compare it to Superman III.
There was no red kryptonite in the third movie, it was synthetic green kryptonite laced with tar.:P

Thank you, someone actually remembers this detail correctly.

As for the film, it's defintely not pulling from the Superman movies. It's all coming from the source material, just slightly slanted by Sam Raimi and co.

[Abaddon]

what? how could you say Raimi ruined it? that is exactly what happened in the comic book. that's how it originally was. that was Stan's idea, so how did Raimi ruin it?

IT WAS ALREADY LIKE THAT! :o


Peter didn't need the owner to screw him to over in order to justify letting the robber go.In the comics he was motivated by hubris and not by some lame act of retribution.

[Spider-Man™]

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[Visionary]

Emo isn't just a look. It's a state of mind.
You mean just like whiny ass comic book fanboyish geeks? Which I happen to think is worst than any EMO I've ever encountered. Just look at this f---ing thread. My favorite superhero comic book film is better than yours, my favorite hero is better than yours, this and that should be more like the comics, blah, blah, blah...:o

[Spider-Bite]

Peter didn't need the owner to screw him to over in order to justify letting the robber go.In the comics he was motivated by hubris and not by some lame act of retribution.

so that just made pete look less evil. It didn't ruin the story. If anything it made it better.

[Abaddon]

so that just made pete look less evil. It didn't ruin the story. If anything it made it better.


Oh,it didn't ruin the story.Just an aspect of it.It seemed like he was trying hard to make Pete look goody-goody.It wasn't necessary.In the comics Peter's powers made him arrogant.He wasn't evil.

[LarryLegend]

Oh,it didn't ruin the story.Just an aspect of it.It seemed like he was trying hard to make Pete look goody-goody.It wasn't necessary.In the comics Peter's powers made him arrogant.He wasn't evil.

And the winner by Ko is Abaddon. :)

[SLYspyder]

I think Raimi ruined Spideys "greed and self gain" by having justified Peter letting the robber get away.

i understand what you're saying but Peter is hero, no matter how badly the manager treated him, he shouldn't have let the robber get away, if not for the manager but for all the other people that might get robbed in the future.

[Green Goblin 1964]

what? how could you say Raimi ruined it? that is exactly what happened in the comic book. that's how it originally was. that was Stan's idea, so how did Raimi ruin it?

IT WAS ALREADY LIKE THAT! :oexactly abbandon doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Abaddon]

i understand what you're saying but Peter is hero, no matter how badly the manager treated him, he shouldn't have let the robber get away, if not for the manager but for all the other people that might get robbed in the future.


True,but I'm pretty sure the general audience was on Pete's side in letting the robber get away.Anyone would've done the same.


But in any case,it still wasn't necessary to change his motivation(or lack thereof).It's just bothered how Raimi seems bent on making Peter the salt of the earth.

[The Kid]

the robber even tells him "thanks" llol It's still the same deal to me basically... Peter doesn't do the right thing and pays for it in the end.

that whole thing was actually alright with me. rest of the movie though, not so much.

[Abaddon]

Bah,I always liked that Peter was a bottom-feeding nerd who got powers and then started acting like a big shot.He'd put on the mask and say and do everything he wished he couldve as Peter Parker.:)

[James"007"Bond]

Which is EXACTLY what he´s doing, Pete giving up on being Spidey is a storyline from the comics and so is the black symbiote... geez...

I know what has happened in the comics but Raimi could use other storylines which is just as intriguing if not more. At the end of the day, the FACT is, the storylines of the movies mirror those of the superman movies, regardless of wether the events happened in the comics or not.

[Spider-Bite]

yeah but they mirror the superman movies a lot less than they mirror the spider-man comic book story lines. A lot less.

[James"007"Bond]

The themes are too blatant. There will be diferences of course because they're different characters but the themes are so in your face, its ridiculous.

[Spider-Bite]

The themes are too blatant. There will be diferences of course because they're different characters but the themes are so in your face, its ridiculous.

Why did SuperMan quit being SuperMan?

[USMC]

Someone tell me why Soups went bad in SM3... I have yet to see that flick, theater or rental. *kind of proud of that actually* :D

Red K does NOT split Supes in SM3.

It's a synthetic Green K that Richard Pryor had made because he couldn't figure out what the last ingredient in Kryptonit was... so he substituted TAR as an ingredient (he was reading from a pack of smokes at the time). Instead of killing Superman like they thought it would, the green K slowly warped him into a bad guy, eventually splitting him in two.

The movie overall was pretty crappy, but the fight between Clark and bad Superman is still one of my favorite comic movie moments. :D

[Cmill216]

Red K does NOT split Supes in SM3.

It's a synthetic Green K that Richard Pryor had made because he couldn't figure out what the

You can stop right there. Richard Pryor making synthetic kryptonite? WOW....

:D :D :D

[USMC]

You can stop right there. Richard Pryor making synthetic kryptonite? WOW....

:D :D :D


Yeah, and he poses as a military general to give it to Supes. The big blue idiot fell for it!!! *snicker*

http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/superman-3/superman-3-05.jpg

[Reikowolf]

Yeah, and he poses as a military general to give it to Supes. The big blue idiot fell for it!!! *snicker*

http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/superman-3/superman-3-05.jpg


that is the best pic ever

wow.. reeves was buff in his day

[James"007"Bond]

Why did SuperMan quit being SuperMan?

Because he wanted lois' poontang pie, just as parker wanted to be with MJ.

Also interesting superman 3 had supes getting some sort of award, now, sm3 recently shot spidey recieving an award....lmao! Raimi is so lame and you people defend his patheticness....jokers.:o

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My friend at work informs me that his son is an extra in Spider-Man 3. He also informs me that they will be shooting his scene on June 9th, 10th, and 11th. He also says that in the scene, Spider-Man is receiving an award from the city of New York. Thought that might be a little interesting and helpful in discovering the sources of Peter Parker's increase in ego

[Jakomus]

In Spider-Man 4, Spidey will rally against nuclear warfare and have to deal with Ben Reilly, his evil clone :o

[Cmill216]

Raimi is so lame and you people defend his patheticness....jokers.:o


I'm starting to see why you were banned the first time around. You continue to belittle the opinions of others because they don't share your golden view.

It's so lovely that you don't like these movies, but don't go calling people "jokers" because they are oh so silly to think other wise about these films.

[Yellow Cyclone]

In Spider-Man 4, Spidey will rally against nuclear warfare and have to deal with Ben Reilly, his evil clone :o
i appreciated this...it didn't go unnoticed :joker:

[Odin's Lapdog]

Go watch X3:o
oh jide, not you too....

:down

[Odin's Lapdog]

Peter didn't need the owner to screw him to over in order to justify letting the robber go.In the comics he was motivated by hubris and not by some lame act of retribution.
this is probably one of the best posts i've read on this board ever.

WOW

[Odin's Lapdog]

oh and for those of you that don't think spidey takes from the superman films, clear indications of this are simple things like the unbuttoning of the chest to reveal the symbol on his chest...

it's not a spidey trademark it's a superman one tha tis copied...

spidey's trademark has always been his mask, he can be spidey without his suit on and with his face covered but he can't be spidey without a mask, the mask is the focal point of his superhero identity.

but the films have changed it to his chest symbol, even making it larger to be more noticeable.

clear cut corellation of idea borrowing.

[Reikowolf]

In Spider-Man 4, Spidey will rally against nuclear warfare and have to deal with Ben Reilly, his evil clone :o


Don't forget that Ben can't function outside of sunlight.... also.. he has radioactive nails.. which for some reason are stronger than kryptonite.

[Chris Wallace]

lame theory
Very.

[grabmygladys]

They should have done the black suit a completely natural way. :(

[zanos]

Because he wanted lois' poontang pie, just as parker wanted to be with MJ.

Also interesting superman 3 had supes getting some sort of award, now, sm3 recently shot spidey recieving an award....lmao! Raimi is so lame and you people defend his patheticness....jokers.:o

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My friend at work informs me that his son is an extra in Spider-Man 3. He also informs me that they will be shooting his scene on June 9th, 10th, and 11th. He also says that in the scene, Spider-Man is receiving an award from the city of New York. Thought that might be a little interesting and helpful in discovering the sources of Peter Parker's increase in ego

That is really pathetic if true. First of all there is no way Spider-man would ever receive an award from the city. That's just laughable but to copy this from Superman 3 is even more ridiculous. Now with the introduction of Gwen it's all starting to make sense now. Wasn't Lois also "replaced" as the love interest in Superman 3 with Lana?

[Duende Verde]

Because he wanted lois' poontang pie, just as parker wanted to be with MJ.

Also interesting superman 3 had supes getting some sort of award, now, sm3 recently shot spidey recieving an award....lmao! Raimi is so lame and you people defend his patheticness....jokers.:o

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My friend at work informs me that his son is an extra in Spider-Man 3. He also informs me that they will be shooting his scene on June 9th, 10th, and 11th. He also says that in the scene, Spider-Man is receiving an award from the city of New York. Thought that might be a little interesting and helpful in discovering the sources of Peter Parker's increase in ego
Are they really going to give him an award?

If this is real and the award turns out to be the black suit/symbiote, then the movie IS taking its cues from Superman 3 (Superman gets fake kryptonite in ceremony)

[Maximum Carnage]

Last time I checked, who ACTUALLY gives a crap about the original Superman movies? Besides you people, of course. They are horrible. They don't matter.

[Shoemeister]

Emo isn't just a look. It's a state of mind.

LOL! So is mental retardation.
GTFO.

[zanos]

"It's not easy being me" said supes to Lane. I can see already that this movie will rip off of spider-man big time. the personality and feel of the movie will be exactly the same.

I still say Raimi has only ripped off of the spider-man comic book, and he has not ripped off of the superman movies. Spider-Man no more happened in the comic books, so that's why he did it. He even copied that one scene to look identical to the cover of the issue where it happened. The suit in the trash can? That's influenced from the comic book not the supes movie.


Spidey never "lost" his powers over a woman in the comic. He gave up being Spider-man willingly because he was so underappreciated and constantly being attacked in the media and blamed for stuff. Raimi cleared ripped off Superman 2. Why is this simple fact escaping everyone?


In the first movie? spider-man used his powers for greed and self gain. He didn't care about helping people. He cared about making money. that's a spider-man thing.

Peter did use his powers to help win a fight so that he could buy a car. I guess you could call this self gain but greed? Did Peter come off as someone who wouldn't help someone if given the chance? Everyone wants to and needs to make money. Why shouldn't he? He let that robber go out of vengence for not getting paid not because he was too self centered to bother. This was one of the biggest blunders in the first that not many ppl catch on to.

[Chris Wallace]

Spoilers below (sort of)
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Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of). I can't find this link.

[Jakomus]

Last time I checked, who ACTUALLY gives a crap about the original Superman movies? Besides you people, of course. They are horrible. They don't matter.If you are talking about the last two movies, then you've got it dead on.

If you are referring to the first two, escpecialy the first one, then it just goes to show you have no taste. Which explains why you like the Spidey movies, I guess.

[Green Goblin 1964]

If you are talking about the last two movies, then you've got it dead on.

If you are referring to the first two, escpecialy the first one, then it just goes to show you have no taste. Which explains why you like the Spidey movies, I guess.troll

[Secret_Riddle]

I think Tobey actually looks kinda emo in thos epics. Is it just me?

he looks very emo...cept he proly has reason to be depressed knowin peters luck.

[Green Goblin 1964]

he looks very emo...cept he proly has reason to be depressed knowin peters luck.that word is really getting old and not funny any more.

[Village_Idiot]

put a little mustache on him and he looks like Hitler

[TrueBeliever]

HA!

[zanos]

he looks very emo...cept he proly has reason to be depressed knowin peters luck.

Maybe he'll drown his sorrows in a bar before he trashes it with peanuts.

[MST3KPIMP]

Last time I checked, who ACTUALLY gives a crap about the original Superman movies? Besides you people, of course. They are horrible. They don't matter.

Apparently everyone, The new Superman movie virtually is a continuation of the original. And Sam has'nt exactly made his affections a secret as the Spidey films have used several gimmicks and cues from Superman to fill the stories. And judging from the latest photos he's still doing it. Richard Donner's approach and execution have influenced virtually every Hero film that has come after it and has yet to be touched. Having said that I don't want it to be more "Super-Spider-man".:supes:

[ultimatefan]

Red K does NOT split Supes in SM3.

It's a synthetic Green K that Richard Pryor had made because he couldn't figure out what the last ingredient in Kryptonit was... so he substituted TAR as an ingredient (he was reading from a pack of smokes at the time). Instead of killing Superman like they thought it would, the green K slowly warped him into a bad guy, eventually splitting him in two.

The movie overall was pretty crappy, but the fight between Clark and bad Superman is still one of my favorite comic movie moments. :D
Yeah, if you actually see the movie, it´s handled in a pretty cheesy way, it´s almost comedic. The idea in Spider-Man 3 is for Peter to go a darker path, the pictures clearly suggest a sort of darker tone. We can blab about "originality" for days - Pimp will jump at the opportunity, exactly as I predicted he would... It´s not a general idea that makes it fresh or interesting or not, if we are to be rigid nothing can be considered original. It´s the elements you combine and add and remove that make it feel interesting. Both Spider-Man and Superman gave up being superheroes in their movies, and they´re both interesting stories in their own way with their own particular take on the idea, different motivations, different results, etc. The same will go with Spider 3 and Superman 3.

[Jakomus]

troll:rolleyes:

So i'm not allowed to respond to an insult towards movies I like?

[CHEZ]

I don't remember what made Supes a sexual deviant in Superman III, but we know that Spidey's black suit corrupts him.
I am so sick of Tobey Maguire, he is so boring. Always the same stupid dazed dufuss look on his face. I can barely tolerate him as Peter Parker.
Seeing him trying to play the corrupt and deviant Peter Parker will be very funny to watch. God I hope this actor steps it up a notch in this third spidey movie, because he is so blahhhhh.

[Green Goblin 1964]

I don't remember what made Supes a sexual deviant in Superman III, but we know that Spidey's black suit corrupts him.
I am so sick of Tobey Maguire, he is so boring. Always the same stupid dazed dufuss look on his face. I can barely tolerate him as Peter Parker.
Seeing him trying to play the corrupt and deviant Peter Parker will be very funny to watch. God I hope this actor steps it up a notch in this third spidey movie, because he is so blahhhhh.i think tobey's a great spidey and peter.i think a lot of people would disagree with your statement right there.

[jrd550]

Is it me or does Gwen look fat?

[Green Goblin 1964]

Is it me or does Gwen look fat?here we go again

[X-Rated]

Is it me or does Gwen look fat?

she do have that pop-belly thing going on

[CHEZ]

i think tobey's a great spidey and peter.i think a lot of people would disagree with your statement right there.

Agree with me all ya want, it's just my opinion.

[DOG LIPS]

Is it me or does Gwen look fat?
Phat* :up:

[Green Goblin 1964]

Agree with me all ya want, it's just my opinion.i'm not arguing with you or anything i'm stating my opinion just like you did.

[CHEZ]

i'm not arguing with you or anything i'm stating my opinion just like you did.

okey-dokey.:up:

[Green Goblin 1964]

okey-dokey then.

[GreenKToo]

awesome...:up: :up: oh and for those of you that don't think spidey takes from the superman films, clear indications of this are simple things like the unbuttoning of the chest to reveal the symbol on his chest...

it's not a spidey trademark it's a superman one tha tis copied...

spidey's trademark has always been his mask, he can be spidey without his suit on and with his face covered but he can't be spidey without a mask, the mask is the focal point of his superhero identity.

but the films have changed it to his chest symbol, even making it larger to be more noticeable.

clear cut corellation of idea borrowing.

[X-Rated]

Is it me or does Gwen look fat?

Look at her pop belly (http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=11541)

[jrd550]

Look at her pop belly (http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=11541)
Yep, she looks chunky to me, especially in that profile shot with Raimi, I'd still go out with her, but she looks fat. If i had to guess though it must have something to do with the role.

[Pyro Man]

^ hmm, still open, you must'nt have done it righ...

Anyway, i like your theory, it doesn't really fit for film1, but both Superman and Spiderman 2 dealt with jacking it in, and it seems like Superman and Spiderman3 deal with the "dark side"

Yeah and nuclear man is sort of an evil spiderman version and so if he isn't featured prominetly till spider-man 4 (if there is one) it will be alot like superman 4 (even though nuclear man isn't exactly a clone).

Very flawed theory, I know.

[Duende Verde]

Is it me or does Gwen look fat?
I thought she looked like that because she has a wire harness under her clothes.

[not_a_victim]

Look at her pop belly (http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=11541)


1. Its POT belly.
2. She's wearing a harness for the wire work for that scene.
3. Thank god she hasn't fallen victim to the H'Wood notion that females have to be rail thin to be attractive.

[Spider-Bite]

Spidey never "lost" his powers over a woman in the comic. He gave up being Spider-man willingly because he was so underappreciated and constantly being attacked in the media and blamed for stuff. Raimi cleared ripped off Superman 2. Why is this simple fact escaping everyone?



Peter did use his powers to help win a fight so that he could buy a car. I guess you could call this self gain but greed? Did Peter come off as someone who wouldn't help someone if given the chance? Everyone wants to and needs to make money. Why shouldn't he? He let that robber go out of vengence for not getting paid not because he was too self centered to bother. This was one of the biggest blunders in the first that not many ppl catch on to.

movies don't get direct translations from the books. stories were combined and molded together to fit a theme.

In the comic books peter has lost his powers, and he has quit being spider-man. that was taken from the comic book not SuperMan. Quit trying to promote superman returns.

I loved how they pulled off the death of uncle ben. I thought it worked great.

[ultimatefan]

awesome...:up: :up:
Not really. Spider-Man has done the shirt rip to reveal his chest symbol in the comics, too, even during the Stan Lee age. Chest symbol is a superhero trademark, most of them have one and did the shirt rip thing at one point or another. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.

[theShape]

Not really. Spider-Man has done the shirt rip to reveal his chest symbol in the comics, too, even during the Stan Lee age. Chest symbol is a superhero trademark, most of them have one and did the shirt rip thing at one point or another. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.

good point. the chest symbol is important to most heroes. nearly all famous superheros have chest symbols. and they are all important to the heroes.

i wouldn't say spider-man's "trademark" is his mask. and what does it matter if something in a spidey movie is similar to something in a superman movie.

spidey > supes, anyway. :up:

[Cmill216]

i wouldn't say spider-man's "trademark" is his mask.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2997/ultimate133hf.jpg

:D :D

[theShape]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2997/ultimate133hf.jpg

:D :D


how does that comfirm that its his trademark?

idk...when i hear spider-man. i think...webswinging. his suit in general, covered in the webbing. his mocking of villains. the spidey symbol. his eyepiece.

he doesn't have a single trademark.

[Cmill216]

how does that comfirm that its his trademark?

idk...when i hear spider-man. i think...webswinging. his suit in general, covered in the webbing. his mocking of villains. the spidey symbol. his eyepiece.

he doesn't have a single trademark.

Well, I could find more, but I just wanted to post that one.

[theShape]

Well, I could find more, but I just wanted to post that one.


you could also find dozens of covers featuring his chest symbol, or him shooting a web.

that cover doesn't mean anything. but its all good.

[ultimatefan]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2997/ultimate133hf.jpg

:D :D
The most striking thing about that cover is his lenses, and Spidey´s lenses being reflective is actually a relatively recent thing, they seemed opaque for most of his history.

[theShape]

The most striking thing about that cover is his lenses, and Spidey´s lenses being reflective is actually a relatively recent thing, they seemed opaque for most of his history.

that's true.

[stillanerd]

The most striking thing about that cover is his lenses, and Spidey´s lenses being reflective is actually a relatively recent thing, they seemed opaque for most of his history.

It's mostly how the eyepieces are interpreted. According to Stan Lee himself, who was asked this question several times, wrote in the Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 in the "Secrets of Spider-Man" section that the white eyes of his mask are "clever plastic lenses of the two-way mirror type." Some have interpreted them, like Tom Deflaco in his "Spider-Man: The Ultimate Guide" takes that statement literally, and says that the eyepieces are actual "one-way mirrors [Peter] found in the drama class's old prop box."

[MST3KPIMP]

Not really. Spider-Man has done the shirt rip to reveal his chest symbol in the comics, too, even during the Stan Lee age. Chest symbol is a superhero trademark, most of them have one and did the shirt rip thing at one point or another. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.

A chest symbol can attributed to almost anyone but the way Raimi has him do it on film is not in the spirit of the comics but rather the structure & tone of Richard Donner's Superman. There is a significant difference there that can't be explained away with references to a particular issue of a comicbook. :supes:

[Spawn187]

This will be better than supes

[ultimatefan]

It's mostly how the eyepieces are interpreted. According to Stan Lee himself, who was asked this question several times, wrote in the Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 in the "Secrets of Spider-Man" section that the white eyes of his mask are "clever plastic lenses of the two-way mirror type." Some have interpreted them, like Tom Deflaco in his "Spider-Man: The Ultimate Guide" takes that statement literally, and says that the eyepieces are actual "one-way mirrors [Peter] found in the drama class's old prop box."
What I mean is they have looked opaque for most of his comics history.

[Spider-Bite]

. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.

and the only reason for that is that the supes movies came out a long time ago before the rescent age of super heroe movies. If your wearing a button shirt the typical way to take off your shirt is the way it was done in the movie. How is that copying SuperMan? If anything he's copying the way I take off my shirt.

[SentinelMind]

Spidey never "lost" his powers over a woman in the comic. He gave up being Spider-man willingly because he was so underappreciated and constantly being attacked in the media and blamed for stuff. Raimi cleared ripped off Superman 2. Why is this simple fact escaping everyone?



Peter did use his powers to help win a fight so that he could buy a car. I guess you could call this self gain but greed? Did Peter come off as someone who wouldn't help someone if given the chance? Everyone wants to and needs to make money. Why shouldn't he? He let that robber go out of vengence for not getting paid not because he was too self centered to bother. This was one of the biggest blunders in the first that not many ppl catch on to.

This is Peter still being arrogant, just not as extreme in the comics. This happens right after he beats up Flash....he becomes too arrogant for his own good, ignores the lesson his uncle was trying to tell him about being responsible and not treating others like dirt with his gifts simply because you can. I think the change made for some good storytelling it that in it emphasized heat of the passion emotional revenge ISN'T justice... I don't know if most people would have done the same thing in his place, but if it does, that says a lot about society. I find that more dramatic and real than a simple "I'm a supercelebrity....I'm too good to put my left foot back and trip the criminal running from the cops". But each to his own...

[Odin's Lapdog]

Not really. Spider-Man has done the shirt rip to reveal his chest symbol in the comics, too, even during the Stan Lee age. Chest symbol is a superhero trademark, most of them have one and did the shirt rip thing at one point or another. It just happens to be more associated with Supes than other ones.
I'm sorry but spidey's mask is way way way more important to his character than his chest symbot which started out small and unnoticeable.

even look at the smileys here on a superhero board

spideys::spidey:
supes::supes:

spiderman is simply parker in a spiderman costume without his mask, it's been addressed in the films comic and adaptation that the strength, will, cunning, bravery and heroic aspects of the character all fade once the mask in taken off.

besides, the running into the camera shot unbuttoning one's top has only been done in one superhero film franchise thus far and whatever your interpretation of whether it belongs to supes or any other character, the exact same shots were mimmiced by spidey in both films and most likely this one, in the first one, you don't even see him putting his mask on, i mean wtf is that all about???? The chest emblem takes over completely.

here's a pure example. parker giving up his costume in spidey 2 would have made no impact whatsoever if he had not left his mask. The same scene could have worked entirely if he solely left his mask.

the chest piece truelly does take a back seat in this one, or at least it should, it's only brought to life as much as it is because of the supes films.

[Odin's Lapdog]

you could also find dozens of covers featuring his chest symbol, or him shooting a web.

that cover doesn't mean anything. but its all good.
i'm almost certain there are more focusing on his mask/face being uncovered than chest symbols.

oh and when i mean a trait, i mean a costume trait.

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,012.jpg

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,022.jpg

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,031.jpg

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http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,039.jpg

[Odin's Lapdog]

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,063.jpg

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[Odin's Lapdog]

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,264.jpg
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http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,243.jpg

[Reikowolf]

*sigh* those are awesome covers.. I wish I was alive back then



I need a time machine

[Odin's Lapdog]

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,282.jpg

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[Odin's Lapdog]

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,387.jpg

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http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,432_alt.jpg

[Odin's Lapdog]

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,433.jpg

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing,436.jpg




these are the ones i thought were focusing on mask or his face more. there are quite a few. and they are only from ASM. I would have used more but those are debatable.

for me it shows spidey has been hand in hand with his mask for a long while, there definitely aren't any major ones that focus on his chest or the big reveal.

[Reikowolf]

good work :up:

it's true that the spider ont he chest is never really been a major focus.. if you really look at it... it's kind of a lazy design.

the eyes and mask seem to be the predominant figures to define Spidey.. even being the watermark for his series of comics for a long time (mid 90's)

:spidey:

[Odin's Lapdog]

haha, i stand corrected, i do have a reveal pic...

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,spiderman_amazing_annual,019.jpg

typical supes wripping off in this one as well...:o

[Odin's Lapdog]

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?80123,friendly_neighborhood_spiderman,007 .jpg

[spideydave]

First, for the one poster that suggested Raimi had nothing to do with the story development for this film, that's flat out incorrect. He developed the story with his brother. A script writer took over from there.

Second, having seen the Superman flicks and the Spidey flicks, and having collected comics since the late 70s, there is no doubt in my mind that Raimi has been influenced by the Superman flicks. You can see it in the storytelling, the scenes, and the story arcs. I'd be influenced by them as well. There is not a chance that he wasn't aware of Superman II dealing with Supes loss of his powers when he drafted Spider-Man II. He'd probably even admit to it. So considering Superman III dealt with a Superman under the influence of red kryptonite, do I think it's sheer coincidence that Spider-Man III will be dealing with Spider-Man under the influence of a black symbiote? Of course not.

Now all that said, I don't think it matters all that much. While there are parallels and similarities, the Spidey movies are different enough and the Superman flicks were made long enough ago that it's not really a huge issue. I'm not going to say it's not an issue at ALL, but not a major one.

Besides, let's face it, all superhero comics lift from each other after a while, so this becomes a pointless argument if you look at it that way. I'm sure "Superman Returns" will lift a page or two from the "Spider-Man" movie textbook as it were.

As for why would Raimi utilize a storyline that didn't work the first time, ala Superman III, probably because he hopes to do it RIGHT. After all, it's not the idea, but the execution of the idea that failed.

So fingers crossed for a kick-ass third issue of this cinematic comic-book. :)


Damn right!:up:

[Cmill216]

Nice work, Odin. ;)

I was going to go over some of those exact same covers, and a few Ultimate ones.

[November Rain]

a lil overboard but i think an underlying point was made...

[CrashNburn]

cool pic

[TROCK121980]

That Is Cool

[Spider-Bite]

Originally Posted by Abysstare

Second, having seen the Superman flicks and the Spidey flicks, and having collected comics since the late 70s, there is no doubt in my mind that Raimi has been influenced by the Superman flicks. You can see it in the storytelling, the scenes, and the story arcs. I'd be influenced by them as well. There is not a chance that he wasn't aware of Superman II dealing with Supes loss of his powers when he drafted Spider-Man II. He'd probably even admit to it. So considering Superman III dealt with a Superman under the influence of red kryptonite, do I think it's sheer coincidence that Spider-Man III will be dealing with Spider-Man under the influence of a black symbiote? Of course not.



I think peter dealing with the symbiote is simply a matter of Sony forcing Raimi to introduce Venom in this movie. Raimi kind of has no choice in this matter.

[Reikowolf]

I think peter dealing with the symbiote is simply a matter of Sony forcing Raimi to introduce Venom in this movie. Raimi kind of has no choice in this matter.


yes I agree... Raimi has no choice

he's only the story writer/ director

dude... sony can persuade Raimi.. and maybe they have.. but he always has a choice.

that's why they compromise

[Chris Wallace]

Ok-so In What Comic Did Pa Kent Die & Supes Felt Responsible?

[Reikowolf]

nope

[Spider-Fan]

Ok-so In What Comic Did Pa Kent Die & Supes Felt Responsible?

He did in Smallville.

[Reikowolf]

He did in Smallville.


yeah but according to smallville.. everyone superman will ever fight has seen him as clark kent

[CrashNburn]

Yep, And That's The Only Part That Bums Me Out About That Show. It's Still My Favorite Show Though!...somebody...saveeee..me!

[Reikowolf]

i still say they should have introduced bruce wayne as a business rival to lex and have lex leave for metropolis to prevent wayne corp from taking over.. meanwhile you could have a cool episode where clark meets bruce.. and bruce is in a full out black gear.. (no batman suit) and he's still training to become batman.. trying to find out if lex is ont he level.. or something detective like

:D

then have brianiac try to perform something to destroy the planet.. clark has to stop him.. and in doing so wears the cape for the first time.. he saves the world as well as introduces himself as the man of steal

[CrashNburn]

I've Been Dying To See Bruce Wayne Show Up. Not Sure Why They Wouldnt Put Him In An Episode Or Two. Definitely Would Have Been Cool To See!

[Jakomus]

nopeHe did in Superman: The Movie.

[CrashNburn]

I Think You're Right But Not 100 Percent Sure.

[Jakomus]

I Think You're Right But Not 100 Percent Sure.Pa Kent died of a heart attack. Superman felt bad because despite having all that power, he still couldn't save Pa Kent.

[Spider-Bite]

yes I agree... Raimi has no choice

he's only the story writer/ director

dude... sony can persuade Raimi.. and maybe they have.. but he always has a choice.

that's why they compromise

Raimi has superiors too you know. Sony's only the owners. No Raimi doesn't have a choice. If he doesn't do what they say, they'll kick him off the project and hire somebody else.

Raimi didn't want Venom, Sony did. There is no compromise in there, unless you call half a venom a compromise.

"Okay what if we only kind of have Venom, but not really? Is that a good compromise?"

[TheVileOne]

Raimi has superiors too you know. Sony's only the owners. No Raimi doesn't have a choice. If he doesn't do what they say, they'll kick him off the project and hire somebody else.

Raimi didn't want Venom, Sony did. There is no compromise in there, unless you call half a venom a compromise.

"Okay what if we only kind of have Venom, but not really? Is that a good compromise?"
Why is it Sony? What about the fans?

The fans are the ones demanding Venom. Not Sony.

[jeaf7]

dam...lay off the dam cover pictures..this threads suppose to be about spider-man s black suit...

[ComicKoryn]

From what I've read and seen, it doesn't appear to be the case that the symbiote is in this movie, so it's got me thinking, why else would Spiderman be wearing a black suit and look like major crap in the movie?

I'm thinking someone dies, and he's mourning their death by wearing a black suit just as someone would who's going to a funeral. The question is, who dies...who indeed.

[Green Goblin 1964]

From what I've read and seen, it doesn't appear to be the case that the symbiote is in this movie, so it's got me thinking, why else would Spiderman be wearing a black suit and look like major crap in the movie?

I'm thinking someone dies, and he's mourning their death by wearing a black suit just as someone would who's going to a funeral. The question is, who dies...who indeed.not this mourning crap again

[ComicKoryn]

oh sorry, did someone else already post a similiar idea...I'm kinda new to the Spiderman section of the boards. Don't mind me if it's already been brought up.

[HighVoltage]

plus, the superman movies are too old for anyone to reasonably compare them.

You´re Right.:up::up::):)

[James"007"Bond]

I'm starting to see why you were banned the first time around. You continue to belittle the opinions of others because they don't share your golden view.

It's so lovely that you don't like these movies, but don't go calling people "jokers" because they are oh so silly to think other wise about these films.

No clown, I used the word, jokers because certain people are saying that there aren't any blatant "similarities", I prefer the word, ripoffs of the supes movies when there clearly are. So know what your saying before you even think about trying to adress me.:o

[ad101867]

Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of).

Um, I'm probably a doink for asking this, but . . . what link on what homepage? :confused:

Thanks! :O

[Chris Wallace]

I asked that same question & got no response.

[November Rain]

i must admit there is a general trend nowadays to open a thread based on a picture of something and not supply the picture.

I've noticed five in the last two weeks....

:o

very strange indeed.

[millyd03]

Spoi
Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of). He looks all greasy, frumpy, unkempt, etc. In part II he lost his powers like Superman. Now in this one he looks like he's turning evil like Supes did in Superman III.


i've been thinking the same thing, especailly since i heard the reports about him recieveing a reward from the city (like how richard prior gave superman the artifical kryptonite as a reward for saving the town) and knowing that the symbiote is gonna make him evil. i wouldn't go so far as to call it a rip-off of superman III and more than i would call the first two rip-offs, more like interesting but subtle tributes to classics (or in this case an example of how to make a good film out of that idea, instead of a mediocre one like superman III)

[Saint]

i must admit there is a general trend nowadays to open a thread based on a picture of something and not supply the picture.

I've noticed five in the last two weeks....

:o

very strange indeed.
He's talking about this: http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=4302

The fools who kept saying "the suit in the poster isn't what the black suit will really look like" and "the black costume won't be in the film at all" must feel like idiots now. Of course, most of us knew they were idiots all along.

[WhiteRat]

:down Dude Batman Begins can't even hold up to Spider-Man's left bootie! (LOL!) Hell- even a GLOVE! Batman Begins was a great re-introduction to the character and Batman mytho, but compared to Spider-Man 1??? Man you better stop smokin' that STUFF! (LOL!):down

Batman Begins is 10x's better than these horrible Spider-Man movies.More like the Spider-Man movies cant even hold up a GLOVE to Batman Begins. Right James Bond?:) You need to look in the mirror when telling somebody they need to stop smoking that stuff.:down

btw,Great sig James.:up: dont let anybody tell you any differently.

[Cinemaman]

Well, in some stuff SPidey 3 looks like Superman 3, but I think Spidey 3 will be much better than Superman 3 :up:

[craigaat]

:down :down

Batman Begins is 10x's better than these horrible Spider-Man movies.More like the Spider-Man movies cant even hold up a GLOVE to Batman Begins. Right James Bond?:) You need to look in the mirror when telling somebody they need to stop smoking that stuff.:down

btw,Great sig James.:up: dont let anybody tell you any differently.

Why do you even bother posting on these boards if you hate the SM movies?

[Spider-Man™]

Well, in some stuff SPidey 3 looks like Superman 3, but I think Spidey 3 will be much better than Superman 3 :up:

:up:

[ProjectPat2280]

:down :down

Batman Begins is 10x's better than these horrible Spider-Man movies.More like the Spider-Man movies cant even hold up a GLOVE to Batman Begins. Right James Bond?:) You need to look in the mirror when telling somebody they need to stop smoking that stuff.:down

btw,Great sig James.:up: dont let anybody tell you any differently.

Batman Begins was a GREAT GREAT movie, but sorry brah, the box office and DVD sales BEG TO DIFFER with ur opinion. To get technical, BB only made $205,343,774, compared to Sipder-Mans $403,706,375. Sorry, but i dont think that many ppl would have spent money on a "horroble" movie.

[Cinemaman]

:up:

;) :up:

[Cinemaman]

BB was excellent movie, but the same I would say about Spidey 2.

[Spider-Man™]

Spider-Man 2 was awesome, but i think the third will be my favorite for sure.

[zanos]

i've been thinking the same thing, especailly since i heard the reports about him recieveing a reward from the city (like how richard prior gave superman the artifical kryptonite as a reward for saving the town) and knowing that the symbiote is gonna make him evil. i wouldn't go so far as to call it a rip-off of superman III and more than i would call the first two rip-offs, more like interesting but subtle tributes to classics (or in this case an example of how to make a good film out of that idea, instead of a mediocre one like superman III)

If it's not a ripoff than what is it? It would seem to me that the only way anyone would actually admit to something being a ripoff is if the scene was duplicated exactly. As in Richard Pryor hands Spidey some weird kryptonite and he becomes evil. Even then ppl will shout tribute, tribute!

[Cmill216]

As in Richard Pryor hands Spidey some weird kryptonite and he becomes evil. Even then ppl will shout tribute, tribute!

Now THAT would be a f***in' ripoff. :down

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Spoilers below (sort of)
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Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of). He looks all greasy, frumpy, unkempt, etc. In part II he lost his powers like Superman. Now in this one he looks like he's turning evil like Supes did in Superman III. I know it's just coincidence since that happened to Peter in the Ultimate storyline, but I wonder if people will start to wonder that Sam can't come up with any original plot lines.

Enough with comparing Spider-Man to Superman. There's similarities big flipping whup! You can make comparisons in every different comic book movie.

[Asteroid-Man]

This again??? Lock, delete, ban. This has been said countless times and the threads were locked and warnings were given out.

[WhiteRat]

Batman Begins was a GREAT GREAT movie, but sorry brah, the box office and DVD sales BEG TO DIFFER with ur opinion. To get technical, BB only made $205,343,774, compared to Sipder-Mans $403,706,375. Sorry, but i dont think that many ppl would have spent money on a "horroble" movie.

Ha Ha,I love that old lame and laughable logic that because it made so much more money at the box office and dvd sales that that makes it a better movie.:D according to YOUR hilarious logic the star wars phantom menace movie is better than empire strikes back since it made so much more money at the box office and dvd sales than empire strikes back did and well made documentary movies that have bombed at theaters before such as The Rookie with Dennis Quaid must be horrible movies while blockbusters like Men In Black and scoobey doo must be masterpieces.:D I love those lame comebacks that desperately try to justify those movies.:D why do I post here if I hate the movies? why dont you ask James Bond the same question? He obviously agrees with me.:rolleyes:

obviously you never decided to do any thinking.If you had,you would have used some logic and common sense that Batman Begins had two negatives going against it that spider-man did not. 1.There had already been 4 Batman movies made prior to Begins so kids -who are a big factor in the success of comicbook movies,did not have the same excitment to go see Batman Begins at the theaters like they did with Batman 89 since there was already 4 Batman movies made that they could just pop into the VCR anytime they wanted to and see Batman onscreen. 2.Batman Begins unlike batman 89 and the spider-man movies was horribly promoted.Batman 89 and the spider-man movies were brilliantly marketed with year long promotions before they ever came out.That seems to be all you need to do to make a comicbook movie a blockbuster.Get a clever marketing team with great promotional tie ins and you got a hit on your hands.I was worried about Batman Begins not performing so well back then because I was very concerned about the horrible job they were doing promoting it which really didnt start until the film was practically out.Which was stupid because it already had that one negative going against it in that there had already been 4 Batman movies made prior to it.

[MaraJanesSlave]

Superman 3 was on TV here this weekend, and I actually made a point to watch it because of certain comparisons to SM3. S3 is the kind of movie you laugh at because it's so bad. There's good camp and there's bad camp, and S3 is definitely bad camp. That said, there are definite comparisons to what we know about SM3:

-Substance from outer space contaminates him, causing a significant change in his personality.
-His reputation (or whatever goodwill he has) is tarnished because of said changes; he makes a public spectacle of himself and stops caring about helping other people.
-He beds a bimbo blonde (we don't know if Pete'll actually go all the way, but Supes did).
-He looks dark, dirty and greasy, with his costume noticeably darker.
-There is a diamond ring that ends up in a pawn shop.
-There is an award ceremony for the hero (in S3, that's where he gets the odd kryptonite).

~Mara Jane

[Jakomus]

Batman Begins was a GREAT GREAT movie, but sorry brah, the box office and DVD sales BEG TO DIFFER with ur opinion. To get technical, BB only made $205,343,774, compared to Sipder-Mans $403,706,375. Sorry, but i dont think that many ppl would have spent money on a "horroble" movie.If the only way you can defend a movie is with Box Office gain, then you're defending a crappy movie.

[pedro parkero]

Even though I am a Spidey fan I would admit that Batman Begins is brilliantly written, very-light-years-away-more-so than S-M1. Sure, I want a lighthearted Spidey movie, but that lightheartedness should come from Peter Parker's personality, NOT mere camp. Many scenes made the movie lame (Pete-MJ convos, Spidey getting gassed easily by Goblin, leaps of logic, after Ben gets killed no dramatic weight anymore, etc.), which made it clear that it was made for today's typical adolescent (the MTV breed), but of course, it wasn't a total wreck. It's still one of the best superhero movies around...

Now S-M2. Now this movie isn't perfect by all means, but I asked Raimi to give me a moving film about what Spider-Man is all about, and he delivered. The Pete and Aunt May scenes and his psychological conversation with Uncle Ben almost broke me to tears. It's really an exceptional movie, in regards to showing what I love about the character (unfortunately, the witty banter is still lacking). Same as Batman Begins, excellent dialogue and scenes that convey what Buce Wayne is all about...

But I'm really getting worried about these ripping-off rumours. 'Cause if it's true that Raimi is looking to other sources for inspiration in this movie, then he'll be far away from depicting Spidey's uniqueness, will he? :(




Peter didn't need the owner to screw him to over in order to justify letting the robber go.In the comics he was motivated by hubris and not by some lame act of retribution.
It made the story more powerful, IMHO. It made the bitter pill more difficult to swallow, since as you say many of us would do the same thing and let the robber go, but still it doesn't make it right. What only separates us from Peter is that he paid for his inaction, hubris AND act of retribution. It's a good way to teach today's kids that even if vengeance is a good feeling, it's totally bad nonetheless and maybe someday you'll pay for it. So how did this cheapen the original story/the character of Pete?... It doesn't...

[CrypticOne]

Spoilers below (sort of)
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Following the link on the homepage, you see Toby changing into the black suit (sort of). He looks all greasy, frumpy, unkempt, etc. In part II he lost his powers like Superman. Now in this one he looks like he's turning evil like Supes did in Superman III. I know it's just coincidence since that happened to Peter in the Ultimate storyline, but I wonder if people will start to wonder that Sam can't come up with any original plot lines.

Sam will do it better.