Why mess with the origional?

[Tangled Web]

Why give the Symbiote suit, webbing?

[Arcturus]

Because they have been smoking crack cocaine.

[Sentinel X]

Please tell me you know how to spell original and that it was all a joke..:(






but its okay if you were typing fast and didnt notice :O

[Boom]

Because they wanted to employ a "dark Spider-Man" theme, which they felt was better illustrated in an all-black version of the classic Spider-Man suit.

Either that or sheer laziness. I can't tell anymore.

[GoldGoblin]

Why mess with the original,because the original look would not look good in a movie version.

[The Kid]

I don't think the bloody costume is alive.

[Arcturus]

Why mess with the original,because the original look would not look good in a movie version.

How do you know that?

[matthooper]

Why give the Symbiote suit, webbing?

They wanted to piss off people that have no lives and have nothing better to do but complain about some webbing on a suit.

[Cmill216]

They wanted to piss off people that have no lives and have nothing better to do but complain about some webbing on a suit.

;) There you go.

[Tangled Web]

They wanted to piss off people that have no lives and have nothing better to do but complain about some webbing on a suit.
Well, I can see that this is a comic book movie, so I expect them to translate that on screen.

[The_Dark_Knight]

I dont know what to think about the new suit. I mean we havent really seen it yet. So we'll have to wait for a body shot.

[Arcturus]

If you ask me, I actually like the new suit. I've always liked it right from the official pic that sony released. I'd prefer the original black suit, but this will do fine. I don't mind the raised webbing at all, either.

[Dr. Weir]

about the webbing. It really doesn't bother me. I, personally am really looking forward to Spider-man 3...3 villains...heh. Can't wait to see Venom!:) :up:

[Cmill216]

Well, I can see that this is a comic book movie, so I expect them to translate that on screen.

Just like the alien Dark Phoenix, the Arab mastermind Ra's Al Ghul who kidnapped Robin, and the Green Goblin who wants to be the kingpin of New York City's organized crime scene?

[Christonomy1]

Has anybody suggested that maybe it's not a different suit at all? That maybe Raimi's take is that the symbiote has attached itself to Spidey's regular suit, making it black, boosting his powers (maybe), and corrupting Peter? It does, after all, seem a bit odd in this universe that the symbiote would make itself into a stylish superhero suit, but more logical that the normal suit might be consumed. Could be way off, but it would explain the continuity of design in the two; I've been wondering this for a while.

[SpiderB]

Why mess with the original,because the original look would not look good in a movie version.

^ What he said.

Also, it obviously must suit some need that the script presents.

[Cmill216]

If you ask me, I actually like the new suit. I've always liked it right from the official pic that sony released. I'd prefer the original black suit, but this will do fine. I don't mind the raised webbing at all, either.

The Spider on the chest is white, something we couldn't even tell in that VERY altered looking poster. It'll probably look very similar to the comic suit (once we see it full body), just with webbing. What's the problem with that, I ask.

[Cmill216]

Has anybody suggested that maybe it's not a different suit at all? That maybe Raimi's take is that the symbiote has attached itself to Spidey's regular suit, making it black, boosting his powers (maybe), and corrupting Peter?

That's probably 100% accurate of what we'll see.

[Tangled Web]

Here's what I hope the webbing symbolises. I hope it symbolises good so that eventually, as Spidey decents into madness he loses the webbing and we'll get the suit we all know and love.

That's what I'm hoping for, what does everyone think of that?

[Cmill216]

Here's what I hope the webbing symbolises. I hope it symbolises good so that eventually, as Spidey decents into madness he loses the webbing and we'll get the suit we all know and love.

That's what I'm hoping for, what does everyone think of that?

It doesn't really matter to me. At all. It's black, white spider, probably white lenses. I'm good. :up:

[Jubba]

maybe it is JUST a black suit - at some point the symbiote comes in contact with it and takes THAT form, minus webbing and then when it attaches to brock it wil be a black spidey suit - therefore the black "suit" serves as a template for the symbiote to form a black venom character

[Cmill216]

maybe it is JUST a black suit - at some point the symbiote comes in contact with it and takes THAT form, minus webbing and then when it attaches to brock it wil be a black spidey suit - therefore the black "suit" serves as a template for the symbiote to form a black venom character

Why would he have a black suit in the first place then?

[Visionary]

Why give the Symbiote suit, webbing?

Licensing. Money. Business.

The comics version is already on shelves, so is the comic book Venom merchandising. If the movie suits look exactly like the comics, Marvel could stand to make tons of money off of the movie without including Sony. Marvel has the right to make Spider-Man merchandising based on the comics without Sony, which means no sharing of monies. But, if you make a "MOVIE VERSION" of the symbiote suit and Venom, it all becomes apart of the licensing movie empire that's a limited joint venture named "SPIDER-MAN MERCHANDISING, LP" that was setup in partnership between both MARVEL and SONY.

About Spider-Man Merchandising, LP
Spider-Man Merchandising, LP is the limited partnership comprised of Marvel Entertainment, Inc. and Sony Pictures Consumer Products Inc., which oversees the licensing and merchandising for the Columbia Pictures Spider-Man feature films, and is overseeing the licensing and merchandising for Columbia Pictures Spider-Man™ 3 feature film.

http://www.toybiz.com/showrelease.htm?id=1172

[Daredevil886]

They wanted to piss off people that have no lives and have nothing better to do but complain about some webbing on a suit.

Truth.

[Tangled Web]

Licensing. Money. Business.

The comics version is already on shelves, so is the comic book Venom merchandising. If the movie suits look exactly like the comics, Marvel could stand to make tons of money off of the movie without including Sony. Marvel has the right to make Spider-Man merchandising based on the comics without Sony, which means no sharing of monies. But, if you make a "MOVIE VERSION" of the symbiote suit and Venom, it all becomes apart of the licensing movie empire that's a limited joint venture named "SPIDER-MAN MERCHANDISING, LP" that was setup in partnership between both MARVEL and SONY.
Greed.

[matthooper]

The movie symbiote will attach itself to the old costume. It only makes sense that it would take on a similar form.

In the comics, there was no raised webbing, hence the smooth look.

I posted this in another thread but here it goes again:

The only reason the suit looks like it does in the comics is because when Spidey was fighting in the Secret Wars, he loved the new costume of Spider-Woman. She wore a new black costume. Not a symbiote, she just wore a regular black costume that Spidey loved. When he found the symbiote, it read his mind and made the costume look like Spider-Woman's. That's the reason it's black. The symbiote can look like anything, it happened to be black because simply because Spidy loved the costume Spider-Woman was wearing.

Guess what, there is no secret wars and no Spider-Woman in the movie. There is no reason for the movie black costume to look like it does in the comics. Since there is no back story like the comics, Sam Raimi had to come up with something else. On could theorize that there is no reson at all for the costume to be black, it could look just like his normal costume. But everyone would go ape if it was just his normal costume. Sam made it black and look like the regular costume. A good compromise.

[Tangled Web]

Then why would Spidey wear a black suit in the first place.

[ultimatefan]

You know, when people complained about the webshooters thing... They had the excuse it was "iconic"... If anyone tries to tell me the black suit is iconic, well, we have to assume the Spidey-buggy is iconic and the clone saga is iconic and..

[Cmill216]

Then why would Spidey wear a black suit in the first place.

In the film? Cause of the symbiote.... :confused:

[ultimatefan]

Then why would Spidey wear a black suit in the first place.
Because the symbiote is black. Simple.

[Tangled Web]

You know, when people complained about the webshooters thing... They had the excuse it was "iconic"... If anyone tries to tell me the black suit is iconic, well, we have to assume the Spidey-buggy is iconic and the clone saga is iconic and..
There was actually some reasoning behind the webshooters, though I disagree, this costume change is without reason.

[Cmill216]

There was actually some reasoning behind the webshooters, though I disagree, this costume change is without reason.

Didn't matthooper just explain it? :confused:

[matthooper]

Then why would Spidey wear a black suit in the first place.

It's a compromise. You have a comic style symbiote with Secret Wars origin and they compromised and made his regular suit black. I just don'r see a problem.

They wanted the black symbiote but couldn't have it look like it did in the comics. First it will look cooler with the regular spider costume. Do you have any idea how rediculous it would look on screen if he wore an all black spandex leotard. Second, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever that the costume would be all black.

[Arcturus]

Didn't matthooper just explain it? :confused:

So is he the official source now, or what?

:confused:

[matthooper]

There was actually some reasoning behind the webshooters, though I disagree, this costume change is without reason.


Do you read any previous posts before you post yourself?

[matthooper]

So is he the official source now, or what?

:confused:

What are you talking about? I simply gave the comic symbiote origin, and why it wouldn't be all black in the film.

[Arcturus]

What are you talking about? I simply gave the comic symbiote origin, and why it wouldn't be all black in the film.

It was a joke.

[matthooper]

It was a joke.

ok, no prob here. My bad.

[Visionary]

Greed.
Greed is only wrong when you're not apart of receiving end of the money.:o

[Tangled Web]

I understand that there is no Spider-Woman, if you recall in the first movie, there is a design Peter drew that looks similiar to Venom, why not just have Pete think of that when the suit covers him?

[Tangled Web]

Do you have any idea how rediculous it would look on screen if he wore an all black spandex leotard. .
Just like a Red and Blue costume would look rediculous? :rolleyes:

[ultimatefan]

I understand that there is no Spider-Woman, if you recall in the first movie, there is a design Peter drew that looks similiar to Venom, why not just have Pete think of that when the suit covers him?
That suit was a silly idea Peter threw away fast, that suit had a cape, for Chrissakes.

[matthooper]

I understand that there is no Spider-Woman, if you recall in the first movie, there is a design Peter drew that looks similiar to Venom, why not just have Pete think of that when the suit covers him?

Not even a massive geek Spider-Man film fan like me would remember that. Plus, those were failed attempts at a costume. Why in the world would he think of that?

Plus, like I said, does anyone realize how stupid an all black leotard would look.

[Tangled Web]

That suit was a silly idea Peter threw away fast, that suit had a cape, for Chrissakes.
Why not have him think of any of his designs? Anything will do, so long as the costue takes shape of the symbiote suit from the comics.

[matthooper]

Why not have him think of any of his designs? Anything will do, so long as the costue takes shape of the symbiote suit from the comics.

I don't know, I guess because that would be rediculous.

[ultimatefan]

Well, anyway, if we just think about it logically, the symbiote doesn´t really care how Peter looks... It wants to possess him, to take control of him and his powers. It probably amplifies his powers, that´s why Peter´s interested. Because the entity is black, it covers his costume and makes it dark. So there isn´t any reason why it would erase the webbing and give him a big white spider.

[Tangled Web]

Not even a massive geek Spider-Man film fan like me would remember that. Plus, those were failed attempts at a costume. Why in the world would he think of that?

Plus, like I said, does anyone realize how stupid an all black leotard would look.
First, you must have alzheimers. j/k

Why would he think of that? Alright, maybe the suit gives him an evil feeling, maybe when he designed that costume he was thinking about how pissed off and bitter he was at the world. Hmm?

You say an all black leotard would look stupid, but, why would it have to be a leotard? Also, is that what you said about the Blue and Red costume?

[ultimatefan]

Why not have him think of any of his designs? Anything will do, so long as the costue takes shape of the symbiote suit from the comics.
Because not everybody thinks "anything will do" just to make something look like in the comics. Me, I couldn´t care less for the black suit from the comics.

[Arcturus]

I see no real reason why the original black suit couldn't work. Don't get me wrong, I like the movie version as well, but I think the black suit from the comics could work.

[ultimatefan]

First, you must have alzheimers. j/k

Why would he think of that? Alright, maybe the suit gives him an evil feeling, maybe when he designed that costume he was thinking about how pissed off and bitter he was at the world. Hmm?

You say an all black leotard would look stupid, but, why would it have to be a leotard? Also, is that what you said about the Blue and Red costume?
At that point, he wasn´t pissed off and bitter. He was excited with his powers, the perspective of getting money and impressing Mary Jane. He just didn´t like the design. Neither did the rest of us.

[Cmill216]

Why am I feeling a "who the f*** cares" moment coming on? :O

[Tangled Web]

Because not everybody thinks "anything will do" just to make something look like in the comics. Me, I couldn´t care less for the black suit from the comics.
Black suit from the comics makes comic fans happy and I'm sure the general public will like it, because they seemed to like it in the cartoon amoung other things.

Movie costume makes gen public happy and makes comics fans UNhappy.

[Spider-Bite]

Not even a massive geek Spider-Man film fan like me would remember that. Plus, those were failed attempts at a costume. Why in the world would he think of that?

Plus, like I said, does anyone realize how stupid an all black leotard would look.

http://www.composerarts.com/RoninChaos.jpg

[Tangled Web]

At that point, he wasn´t pissed off and bitter. He was excited with his powers, the perspective of getting money and impressing Mary Jane. He just didn´t like the design. Neither did the rest of us.
He wouldn't be pissed off at not having parents? Or getting bullied in school? Or never being popular?
I didn't say it had to be that exact design, but maybe he's thinking about something like that which = the comic costume.

[Cmill216]

Black suit from the comics makes comic fans happy and I'm sure the general public will like it, because they seemed to like it in the cartoon amoung other things.

Movie costume makes gen public happy and makes comics fans UNhappy.

I'm a comic fan, and I ain't "UNhappy".

[ultimatefan]

Black suit from the comics makes comic fans happy and I'm sure the general public will like it, because they seemed to like it in the cartoon amoung other things.

Movie costume makes gen public happy and makes comics fans UNhappy.
Well, newsflash, a lot of Spider-Man comics fans hate or don´t care about the black suit, and I think that suit in the movie will look just fine for the general public that doesn´t know the suit from the comics.

[Tangled Web]

http://www.composerarts.com/RoninChaos.jpg
That is tight! Just like the cover of Tangled Web.

[Spider-Bite]

Yeah I felt I gave an appropiate response with that pic.

[ultimatefan]

He wouldn't be pissed off at not having parents? Or getting bullied in school? Or never being popular?
I didn't say it had to be that exact design, but maybe he's thinking about something like that which = the comic costume.
But it was not what he was thinking at that point. He was taken by the excitement of the promises his powers were giving to his life.

[ultimatefan]

http://www.composerarts.com/RoninChaos.jpg
It doesn´t look better to me than the original pic. Make all the manips you like, the black suit is not the red and blue suit, it´s not his origin, it´s not a classic or iconic element of the Spider-Man mythos. Not for a lot of fans anyway.

[Tangled Web]

Alot of you are just so happy to see Venom, that you don't care about details, do you?

[Cmill216]

Alot of you are just so happy to see Venom, that you don't care about details, do you?

No, I do care about the details....of Venom! The symbiote suit we're getting satisfies me. But I guess I just have poor taste, or I'm a whore for whatever Sam feeds me. :o

This is getting old, dude.

[Tangled Web]

But it was not what he was thinking at that point. He was taken by the excitement of the promises his powers were giving to his life.
No matter what, he'll always have that angst feeling. That, mixed in with the promoter ripping him off is why he let the thief go. No doubt he's pissed at the world.

[ultimatefan]

Alot of you are just so happy to see Venom, that you don't care about details, do you?
Definitely not me. Venom is FAAAAAAAAR from being a favorite villain of mine... I´m much more excited for Sandman... And I NEVER liked the fanboy obsession with getting all details like in the comics.

[Arcturus]

But Venom is VERRRRRRRY important to me, and some of us would like it if they got it right. Not that i'm complaining. I'm more interested in seeing how they handle Venom rather then sandman and snowgoblin.

;)

[ultimatefan]

No matter what, he'll always have that angst feeling. That, mixed in with the promoter ripping him off is why he let the thief go. No doubt he's pissed at the world.
Maybe, but the scene clearly suggests he thought of that suit cuz black is a "cool color", than he thinks it needs more color, and gets to the red and blue suit. It was too small an element in that scene to become so important now.

[Tangled Web]

That snow suit Goblin sounds worse than the power ranger one.

[Tangled Web]

Maybe, but the scene clearly suggests he thought of that suit cuz black is a "cool color", than he thinks it needs more color, and gets to the red and blue suit. It was too small an element in that scene to become so important now.
Good point about that needs color comment. I've always thought that that line showed that Peter was making a choice to be a friendly star, or Human Spider if you will. Thus making a choice to not be that grief stricken Batman type celeb.

[ultimatefan]

That snow suit Goblin sounds worse than the power ranger one.
Well that´s off topic, and that suit is only rumor for now.

[Tangled Web]

Well, sorry about that.

[ultimatefan]

Good point about that needs color comment. I've always thought that that line showed that Peter was making a choice to be a friendly star, or Human Spider if you will. Thus making a choice to not be that grief stricken Batman type celeb.
If you wanna read it into that... still felt more like a visual choice to me... Anyway, I couldn´t care less that suit either.

[Tangled Web]

You know, this may not be too bad. Just as long as the suit ends up transforming into the orig, it's fine.

[Spider-Bite]

It doesn´t look better to me than the original pic. Make all the manips you like, the black suit is not the red and blue suit, it´s not his origin, it´s not a classic or iconic element of the Spider-Man mythos. Not for a lot of fans anyway.

how it looks? opinon. the origin? who said anything about spider-man's origin?

It is a classic iconic element of the spider-man mythos. How could you say it isn't? That's like saying Uncle Ben dying was not a classic moment.

[Visionary]

You know, this may not be too bad. Just as long as the suit ends up transforming into the orig, it's fine.
It won't.:p

[Cmill216]

That's like saying Uncle Ben dying was not a classic moment.

WTF? It's not even on the same level as Uncle Ben's death.

[Arcturus]

WTF? It's not even on the same level as Uncle Ben's death.

That's right, it's not on the same level. It's on a much HIGHER LEVEL then uncle bens death.

[Cmill216]

That's right, it's not on the same level. It's on a much HIGHER LEVEL then uncle bens death.

Another classic v4life joke. :p

[Dr.Dude]

I think clearly a large part of it based on the marketing --- so on posters and such like, people can still instantly recognize that it's Spider-Man, instead of risking the vague possibility that too much of a costume change would cause confused glances. :o

And yes, the general public can indeed be just that stupid. ;) You just have to look at all the so-called fans that preach how Harry Osborn is the Hobgoblin, or as some say, the "Orange Goblin", to realize it. :D

[Tangled Web]

I think clearly a large part of it based on the marketing --- so on posters and such like, people can still instantly recognize that it's Spider-Man, instead of risking the vague possibility that too much of a costume change would cause confused glances. :o

And yes, the general public can indeed be just that stupid. ;) You just have to look at all the so-called fans that preach how Harry Osborn is the Hobgoblin, or as some say, the "Orange Goblin", to realize it. :D
The gen public is that stupid. When I saw Batman Begins, some thought it was Batman 5, some thought it was a prequel. When Joe Chill was shot, someone yelled "They shot Joker!"
The gen public acted smart like they knew about Batman. Pretty funny stuff.

[Spider-Bite]

WTF? It's not even on the same level as Uncle Ben's death.

true. It's not as important, but the same logic applies.

[Spider-Bite]

The gen public is that stupid. When I saw Batman Begins, some thought it was Batman 5, some thought it was a prequel. When Joe Chill was shot, someone yelled "They shot Joker!"
The gen public acted smart like they knew about Batman. Pretty funny stuff.

yeah but there is still the fact that whenever they see a spider-man poster, they will also see the words "Spider-Man 3" I think that would be a dead give away. The eyes? The spider on the chest? The spider-pose?

[bugeyed]

Not sure if this has been brought up. I just looked at the NY set pics and they changed the front spider on the black suit. The legs are pointing twords the center instead of straight up like on the classic suit. Check it outhttp://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c76/Superpower1976/spideylegschange.jpg

[Venom'sDad]

Licensing. Money. Business.

The comics version is already on shelves, so is the comic book Venom merchandising. If the movie suits look exactly like the comics, Marvel could stand to make tons of money off of the movie without including Sony. Marvel has the right to make Spider-Man merchandising based on the comics without Sony, which means no sharing of monies. But, if you make a "MOVIE VERSION" of the symbiote suit and Venom, it all becomes apart of the licensing movie empire that's a limited joint venture named "SPIDER-MAN MERCHANDISING, LP" that was setup in partnership between both MARVEL and SONY.


Great point :up:

[Jubba]

Why would he have a black suit in the first place then?

for the movie, to give the symbiote reason to turn black
maybe spidey gets tired of being spotted at night because of his bright red and blue outfit and wants some undercover gear for hiding in the shadows
maybe MJ makes it for him
who knows

[Cmill216]

maybe spidey gets tired of being spotted at night because of his bright red and blue outfit and wants some undercover gear for hiding in the shadows


A couple choices for my response:

A.) :D
B.) :confused:
C.) :rolleyes:
D.) All of the above, plus a bonus :p

[Spider-Bite]

the webs aren't that big of a deal to me really. I still really wish it would mimick clothing though. I think the mistake is rushing Venom in 3. I think that is the big mistake, and according to spiderboy whom I believe, it wasn't raimi's decision.

[Spider-Bite]

Licensing. Money. Business.

The comics version is already on shelves, so is the comic book Venom merchandising. If the movie suits look exactly like the comics, Marvel could stand to make tons of money off of the movie without including Sony. Marvel has the right to make Spider-Man merchandising based on the comics without Sony, which means no sharing of monies. But, if you make a "MOVIE VERSION" of the symbiote suit and Venom, it all becomes apart of the licensing movie empire that's a limited joint venture named "SPIDER-MAN MERCHANDISING, LP" that was setup in partnership between both MARVEL and SONY.


that would be a good point, and it is clearly good logic, however it's not the case here. Marvel doesn't have to include Sony for toys or video games based off of these movies. Toybiz paid bought rights to make toys for spider-man 1 and 2 from Marvel, and not Sony. The company I think they were called Gaestro bought the rights to part 3 and 4 from Marvel. Marvel got 70 mill for part 3 and 35 mill for part 4. The same thing with video games. marvel owns the complete rights to that stuff from the movies. I don't know regarding movie posters, but how much money can you get off of posters? They are like 2 dollars at wal mart.

[Reikowolf]

WTF? It's not even on the same level as Uncle Ben's death.


agreed!

The death of Captain Stacey, the death of Gwenn, the marriage of Peter to MJ
these are all iconic moments.

Venom is more on the
"doc ock almost marrying aunt may" level
I mean...sure it's a fun little fact and even cool to an extent
but what has Venom done in the Spider-Man universe that trully effected Pete's life?? I mean he is a cool villain but he really hasn't done anything devestating to be labelled one of the best villains... maybe one of the most popular because fans seem to really love him... but to date.. he has yet to make his mark in spidey's life.

edit: and even amongst the greatest moments... uncle ben's death is the most important.. and we all know why.

[Venom1998]

Some things just dont translate as good on film from the origionals ya know.Yes the exact black and white costume is what we expect cause thats what we know but im not sure that would look to good in real life.The way i see it as long as the costume is black and looks like a more modern day version without any cheesynesss then i dont care. I must say that if i do see raised webbing on Venom then i will be pissed.

[spideyboy_1111]

Why mess with the original,because the original look would not look good in a movie version.
really? this wouldnt look good in a movie :confused: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6412/symbiotespidey1mw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Tangled Web]

Maybe what bothers me is that the webs are too noticable. You know? Hopefullyon film it'll look more sleek.

[Spider-Bite]

actually I think the only way that suit would look better than what we are getting is if they used the texture to make it look alive.

those bumps look a lot like pores. They could use them to make it look like the symbiote is breathing. I think it would be cool if whenever it got close up the pores would open and close in sync with the rising and falling of his chest. and the rising and falling of his real chest could be exagerated slightly, to where you only notice if he was just standing there and the camera was close up.

I think it could get worse when he's angry.

[The_Dark_Knight]

You know, at first when I saw the poster, I HATED it. Now I'm warmed up to it.

[Green Goblin 1964]

Spideyboy1111 i have a question can you ask your friend for the origin of VENOM!!!

Thank You

[SpiderB]

actually I think the only way that suit would look better than what we are getting is if they used the texture to make it look alive.

those bumps look a lot like pores. They could use them to make it look like the symbiote is breathing. I think it would be cool if whenever it got close up the pores would open and close in sync with the rising and falling of his chest. and the rising and falling of his real chest could be exagerated slightly, to where you only notice if he was just standing there and the camera was close up.

I think it could get worse when he's angry.

No offense Spider-Bite, but that just sounds gross.

[ultimatefan]

I´m sorry but no one will EVER convince me that the black suit and the origin of Venom and the character himself rank among classic or iconic elements of the Spidey mythos. It´s the most forced, contrived and convoluted origin of any villain in the history of comic books. It´s basically an attempt to do the best out of the terrible decision of giving Spider-Man a black suit that didn´t really fit his character in anyway. Most of the Venom fanaticism comes simply from the fact that the character looked cool in pin-ups, he was basically a product of the dreadful "splash panel" age of superhero comics.

[ultimatefan]

how it looks? opinon. the origin? who said anything about spider-man's origin?

It is a classic iconic element of the spider-man mythos. How could you say it isn't? That's like saying Uncle Ben dying was not a classic moment.
No it-´s not. For a lot of fans, there´s nothing classic or iconic about it.

[Arcturus]

No it-´s not. For a lot of fans, there´s nothing classic or iconic about it.

And for alot of fans, it's classic and iconic.

[Spider-Bite]

No offense Spider-Bite, but that just sounds gross.yeah but that's not automatically a bad thing, since the symbiote is supposed to be somewhat gross anyways. a black gooey liquid?
to quote spider-man from the 90's cartoon series

"Gross how do I get this stuff off of me?"

[spideyboy_1111]

Spideyboy1111 i have a question can you ask your friend for the origin of VENOM!!!

Thank You
im not asking anymore.. plus his department wraps up in 2 weeks anyway.. so i doubt hes going to learn anymore.. plus the whole film crew is in new york at the moment

[GoldGoblin]

really? this wouldnt look good in a movie :confused: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6412/symbiotespidey1mw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^Not as good as you would think:D

[spideyboy_1111]

^Not as good as you would think:D
and why not? lol looks perfect?

[GoldGoblin]

and why not? lol looks perfect?

^Well in dark scenes it wouldn't show up that good,and the underground subway scene would be in a dark environment,the raised webbing would help to bring out the black suit much better.

Plus he looks more like the black spider-man with the raised webbing.

[spideyboy_1111]

umm dude a creepy white spider showing and white eyes is much creepier then seeing nothing in the shadows

[GoldGoblin]

umm dude a creepy white spider showing and white eyes is much creepier then seeing nothing in the shadows

^He isn't suppose to look creepy though.

[Visionary]

that would be a good point, and it is clearly good logic, however it's not the case here. Marvel doesn't have to include Sony for toys or video games based off of these movies. Toybiz paid bought rights to make toys for spider-man 1 and 2 from Marvel, and not Sony. The company I think they were called Gaestro bought the rights to part 3 and 4 from Marvel. Marvel got 70 mill for part 3 and 35 mill for part 4. The same thing with video games. marvel owns the complete rights to that stuff from the movies. I don't know regarding movie posters, but how much money can you get off of posters? They are like 2 dollars at wal mart.
Of course Marvel has to include Sony in anything and everything related to the Spider-Man movies. It's a limited partnership 50/50 between Sony/Marvel, that's why they formed Spider-Man Merchandising, L.P. They both license various categories of merchandising, but it's all split 50/50...even TOYS from HASBRO starting in 2007.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2000_May_3/ai_61875890/pg_2

[daveswb]

It's interesting to hear people complaining about the black costume.

With all the other issues with this movie that's the least of our worries. Is it really that big of a deal? With the exceptiopn of Green Goblin I think this fraqnchise has been very lucky with the fact that they have stayed pretty true to the look of the characters.

Look at the X-Men none of them have thier classic outfits. What about the new Superman movie? Since when does Supes where rubber? the rubber cape is wayy too much! And what about poor batman? Had he ever had a big screen adaption of his costume that was true to the comics? I don't think so.

I think it's a decent explination that the symbiote is over top the classic outfit. I don't know if that's the real explination, but it is as good as any.

Though in the set pictures he is wearing it under his clothes. Does that mean anything? Is it a symbiote? Or a black costume?

[Dernhelm]

Anyway, most marvel movies dun potray the character exacly.

[Arcturus]

^He isn't suppose to look creepy though.

Are you saying some guy running around in red and blue spandex named spider-man, who appears to have super strength, aint creepy? If that's accepted and common, then I really don't wanna know your definition of creepy is.

[kooguy911]

Perhaps it would be cool to see the classic symbiote only on venom, and leave the black suit to spiderman. Im not saying the black spidey shouldnt have the symbiote, im just saying the full on venom symbiote should be left to venom.

[ZER0C00L]

Are you saying some guy running around in red and blue spandex named spider-man, who appears to have super strength, aint creepy? If that's accepted and common, then I really don't wanna know your definition of creepy is.

nope thats not creepy thats just silly.:spidey:

to me the original symbiot suit is more imposing then the regular red and blue suit being black.

f cked it up again oh well.

[Tony Stark]

The black suit looks sweet. The comic suit wouldn't make sense because it was based on Spider-woman 2. Since Spider-woman doesnt' exist in the movies, it makes more sense that the symbiote would mimic Peters existing suit.

[spideyboy_1111]

how was the symbiote suit based on spider-woman? i thought when peter got the costume during the secret wars it formed the look we got?

[spideyboy_1111]

^He isn't suppose to look creepy though.
um yes he is.. that was even stan lee's thoughts while even creating spidey in his first apperance.. hes a spider, there suppose to be creepy

[fear&loathing]

to the guys who are complaining of the webbing on the blacksuit: its most likely in between the suits transformation between hosts...

[GreenMamba]

I doubt it.

If you ask me, it's not *just* the symbiote. Rather, I believe that, in the movie, the symbiote just kinda merges with the normal costume.

[Cmill216]

If you ask me, it's not *just* the symbiote. Rather, I believe that, in the movie, the symbiote just kinda merges with the normal costume.

Highly likely.

[Dcknight]

I´m sorry but no one will EVER convince me that the black suit and the origin of Venom and the character himself rank among classic or iconic elements of the Spidey mythos. It´s the most forced, contrived and convoluted origin of any villain in the history of comic books. It´s basically an attempt to do the best out of the terrible decision of giving Spider-Man a black suit that didn´t really fit his character in anyway. Most of the Venom fanaticism comes simply from the fact that the character looked cool in pin-ups, he was basically a product of the dreadful "splash panel" age of superhero comics.

totally agree with you.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif:up: :up: :up: