Singer Toying With Possible Sequel Villains Already?

[Pickle-El]

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The New Big Blue
Bryan Singer envisioned a more human hero for �Superman Returns�

~ By BRENT SIMON ~

Photo by David James
He may be more vulnerable, but he's still pretty tough

ith more than 1,400 special effects shots and a final budget � according to its director � a bit over its green-lit figure of �exactly $184.5 million, but still well south of $200 million,� you might expect the hard sell from Bryan Singer on Superman Returns Warner�s reboot of its venerable superhero franchise. You might expect lots of wonkish talk about advances in CGI and eye-popping spectacle.

You would be wrong.

Describing the summer�s biggest action film as �certainly the most humorous and romantic� of the movies in his canon, Singer instead stresses its emotional relevance and familial rootedness. In fact, he even claims one of the reasons he took on Superman Returns was to help better get his head around the complex visual palette and landscapes of his long-in-the-works remake of Logan�s Run � surely the first time a film of this scope and cost has been described as having training wheels.

The biggest reason Singer had for doing the film, though � thus opting out of completing his X-Men trilogy � was his tremendous affinity for director Richard Donner�s 1978 original. Singer cites that, alongside Steven Spielberg�s Jaws, as one of the reasons he got into filmmaking in the first place.

�The time just felt right to re-experience this character, to address and celebrate people�s collective memory of him and how he�s evolved to now,� Singer says. �The adult Superman follows very much the journey that the younger Superman did, but the idea is that everything�s changed and is off a bit, that the dilemmas have become more modern. It becomes a movie about relationships and family � despite Lex Luthor and the villainy of it all.�

Aiding Singer�s intensely personalized vision is a decidedly neoclassical appearance, in terms of the movie�s cinematography and art design. �We were going for a soft, romantic look,� the director admits. �I call it Rebecca � (But in Color) � just a very soft image. And what�s great about the Genesis cameras we used is that they give you a lot of texture in the blacks and grays, and colors too, and we�re grading [the film stock] in a way that�s meant to further capture, in a sophisticated way, the romanticism of the 1930s.�

While he�s coy about certain specifics � in pleasant conversation he pauses and backtracks liberally, at one moment grinding to a halt for several seconds before confessing that he can�t continue a point of comparison without giving away a crucial revelation � it�s no secret that the film�s story grounds Superman�s plight in some very relatable, human stumbling blocks. Following a self-imposed absence of five years, Superman (newcomer Brandon Routh) returns to Earth to find a world that�s passed him by. While grappling with nemesis Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey, reuniting with his Usual Suspects director), he must also contend with the heartbreaking realization that the woman he loves, Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth), has moved on with her life and even has a son.

How will hardcore comic-book fans react to disruptions in the traditional Superman storyline like Lois�s child and other updated tweaks?

�I like to think they�ll appreciate [the modern touches],� says Singer. �There are always some fans that will have a very strict interpretation of what a movie should be, and perhaps they�ll only find parts of it that they will respond to. There are very few true, insurmountable obstacles for Superman, and frankly, on a personal level, the child is a huge obstacle for him to reconcile.�

Though he�s not contractually obligated for a sequel, Singer feels invested enough in the character to want to return and says that a vacation will help recharge his creative batteries and provide valuable perspective and fresh ideas. �I think the film plays out really, really well, and offers a lot of places to go,� he says. �The Superman villains have never been as iconic and memorable as, say, the Batman villains, so it might be harder to make sense of them for a larger audience. But I would be anxious to explore the idea.�

Superman Returns opens June 30.

05-25-06

[Cinemaman]

Great.

[boywonder13]

Yah not alot of Superman's villains are as a cinematic as Spider-Man's or Batman's.

[millennium movies]

So he basically just confirms its Superman's kid in a way...

[thatsabadoutfit]

So he basically just confirms its Superman's kid in a way...

No he didnt. He just said it was Supermans biggest hurdle realizing the woman he loved has moved on with her life, is engaged, and has a kid out of all things. She has her own family now.

He in no way,shape, or form confirmed it being Supermans.

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

No he didnt. He just said it was Supermans biggest hurdle realizing the woman he loved has moved on with her life, is engaged, and has a kid out of all things. She has her own family now.

He in no way,shape, or form confirmed it being Supermans.

Agreed.

[millennium movies]

The kid will be his! Directly or indirectly...

[Octoberist]

I love the constant 'question marks' laid out throughout the article....

Here's my list of vilains that I want to see.

Brainaic: Out of all of them, I would like to see him. I think he's a good middleground, from the likes of Darkseid.

Darkseid: I have a feeling that we will never see him, unless Singer really goes at it. He's too big. It's like having Apolclypse in X4.

Bizarro: He's cool, but he's more of a henchmen type.

Metallo: He has potenial, but they need make less of a Terminator knock off (not that he is).

Parasite: Another favourite. He's has awesome powers and he's not an alien (to my knowledge), so he could kick ass.

[halfapple]

Doomsday might be fun!

/shrug

[Cinemaman]

I love the constant 'question marks' laid out throughout the article....

Here's my list of vilains that I want to see.

Brainaic: Out of all of them, I would like to see him. I think he's a good middleground, from the likes of Darkseid.

Darkseid: I have a feeling that we will never see him, unless Singer really goes at it. He's too big. It's like having Apolclypse in X4.

Bizarro: He's cool, but he's more of a henchmen type.

Metallo: He has potenial, but they need make less of a Terminator knock off (not that he is).

Parasite: Another favourite. He's has awesome powers and he's not an alien (to my knowledge), so he could kick ass.

It would be more logical , if Singer used Metallo as the main villian for fighting in sequel and Brainiac at the end.

Then, in third film we will get Brainiac as the main villian and Parasite for 2-3 action scenes.

But I have feeling, Singer will also use Zod.

[dark_b]

It would be more logical , if Singer used Metallo as the main villian for fighting in sequel and Brainiac at the end.

Then, in third film we will get Brainiac as the main villian and Parasite for 2-3 action scenes.

But I have feeling, Singer will also use Zod.exactly 2-3 action scenes? ;)

[halfapple]

but if that new krypton is growing out there in space - perhaps there could be life or something growing on it that could be a future challenge for Superman.

[Cinemaman]

exactly 2-3 action scenes? ;)

Yep :D

[Kane]

It would be more logical , if Singer used Metallo as the main villian for fighting in sequel and Brainiac at the end.

Then, in third film we will get Brainiac as the main villian and Parasite for 2-3 action scenes.

But I have feeling, Singer will also use Zod.

Im pretty sure Dan Harris and Mike D were planning to use Brainiac if the end of the novelization is the same ending to the film.

Everything seems to lead to his creation in the end.

I'm against Metallo as another villian, I dont see much unique potential with him. Hes literally a thug with a kryptonite heart, a Kryptonite freak of the week.......Smallvilles already overdone that.

Bring on the Brainiac.

[Kane]

but if that new krypton is growing out there in space - perhaps there could be life or something growing on it that could be a future challenge for Superman.

Like *cough* Brainiac. The dark embodiment of Krypton itself grown out of Kryptonian technology.

[boywonder13]

What sucks is that alot of good Superman villains come from outer space, and it would just be stupid if evry movie had a villan from space. I guess Mettalo is a must, and Brainiac (seeing how they havent used any space villains for Superman: Returns)

[Trooper]

its gona be Zod and Braniac

[BrollySupersj]

Brainiac, Mettal, Dark Seid, Doomsday....I can't really think of any other SUPER POWERED villains for Superman, the last one I can think of is Conduit.

[Kane]

I'd prefer it to be like this:


Superman 2: Brainiac formed from the Kryptonian crystal technology in space as the planet as been reformed out there with him at the core. His creation is a result of Lex Luthor's actions in SR and thus it comes to earth to find Lex Luthor and Kal-El.

Superman 3: Lex Luthor's attempts to bring back Brainiac and channel his power and knowledge begin. Darkseid is planning an Apokolypian invasion of Earth but tries to draw Superman to him using the ransom of a 12 year old Kryptonian child survivor he has in his captivity (Kara Zor El). Superman puts it all on the line to find her and save her.

Superman 4: Brainiac is reconstituted as 'Lexiac'. Kryptonian villians emerge from the Phatom Zone with Lexiac on their side for the big epic battle for Kryptonian supremacy on Earth... General Zod appears with his dark master of pure hate and evil...who orhestrated the conflict between Earth and Apokalips in the previous film for his own enjoyment; Dominus. As this Kryptonian battle begins on Earth, Kara (the child from the previous film) whos now 15/16 years old after living with the Kents in Smallville for all these years....steps up to assist Superman as Supergirl.

World's Finest (with Bale): Joker and Lex, with the muscle of the dark shadows of the world finest duo: Man-Bat and Bizzaro.


That covers all the bases. Again, not using Metallo for him being a typical thug whos a Kryptonite freak (Smallvilles overplayed that).

Not using Doomsday since he was regarded as simply a plot device to kill Supes and thats really all he is famous for (and Superman already dies in Returns at Lex's hands) no need to do it again.

[Cinemaman]

Im pretty sure Dan Harris and Mike D were planning to use Brainiac if the end of the novelization is the same ending to the film.

Everything seems to lead to his creation in the end.

I'm against Metallo as another villian, I dont see much unique potential with him. Hes literally a thug with a kryptonite heart, a Kryptonite freak of the week.......Smallvilles already overdone that.

Bring on the Brainiac.

As I think Brainiac isn't villiuan for fighting. I see only one epic battle in space between Supes and him at the end of sequel.

While Metallo is action villian for fights.

[Kane]

As I think Brainiac isn't villiuan for fighting. I see only one epic battle in space between Supes and him at the end of sequel.

While Metallo is action villian for fights.

Brainiac for the sequel could already potential sound like the version from the animated series.....he kicked all kinds of ass in his drone-like form.

I think Singer wants villians with character and stories kinda central to the plot and the protagonist, and not Darth Maul-like onetime hitmen (thats basically what Metallo is).

[Cinemaman]

I'd prefer it to be like this:


Superman 2: Brainiac formed from the Kryptonian crystal technology in space as the planet as been reformed out there with him at the core. His creation is a result of Lex Luthor's actions in SR and thus it comes to earth to find Lex Luthor and Kal-El.

Superman 3: Lex Luthor's attempts to bring back Brainiac and channel his power and knowledge begin. Darkseid is planning an Apokolypian invasion of Earth but tries to draw Superman to him using the ransom of a 12 year old Kryptonian child survivor he has in his captivity (Kara Zor El). Superman puts it all on the line to find her and save her.

Superman 4: Brainiac is reconstituted as 'Lexiac'. Kryptonian villians emerge from the Phatom Zone with Lexiac on their side for the big epic battle for Kryptonian supremacy on Earth... General Zod appears with his dark master of pure hate and evil...who orhestrated the conflict between Earth and Apokalips in the previous film for his own enjoyment; Dominus. As this Kryptonian battle begins on Earth, Kara (the child from the previous film) whos now 15/16 years old after living with the Kents in Smallville for all these years....steps up to assist Superman as Supergirl.

World's Finest (with Bale): Joker and Lex, with the muscle of the dark shadows of the world finest duo: Man-Bat and Bizzaro.


That covers all the bases. Again, not using Metallo for him being a typical thug whos a Kryptonite freak (Smallvilles overplayed that).

Not using Doomsday since he was regarded as simply a plot device to kill Supes and thats really all he is famous for (and Superman already dies in Returns at Lex's hands) no need to do it again.

SR2 - Lex will use man to make him Metallo. At the end of sequel, we know that Brainiac (kryptonian technology) was send to Earth.
SR3 - Lex will use Brainiac to get power of the world. But he cant understand that Brainiac uses him more than he uses Brainiac. Parasite is mutant, who want to get money. He is just action villian for fights.

[Cinemaman]

Brainiac for the sequel could already potential sound like the version from the animated series.....he kicked all kinds of ass in his drone-like form.

I think Singer wants villians with character and stories kinda central to the plot and the protagonist, and not Darth Maul-like onetime hitmen (thats basically what Metallo is).

Metallo can also has his own story, which has connection with Lex's new weapon.

We can expect full Brainiac in action only for 3rd film.

[Kane]

Ya, thats the thing. I dont think we'll get 'action villians for fights'....but actual character-driven villians with a purpose who are tied to the protagonist (Kal-El).

[Kane]

Metallo can also has his own story, which has connection with Lex's new weapon.

We can expect full Brainiac in action only for 3rd film.

I'd rather have Brainiac in the next film. Metallo isnt necessary.

Brainiac already has a deep connection with Lex (thanks to Lex being responisble for his creation). We dont need Lex behind multiple villians.

The Lex/Brainiac connection is interesting to explore; it reminds me of JLU's "The Return" and Professor Ivo's robot.

[Cinemaman]

I'd rather have Brainiac in the next film. Metallo isnt necessary.

Brainiac already has a deep connection with Lex (thanks to Lex being responisble for his creation). We dont need Lex behind multiple villians.

The Lex/Brainiac connection is interesting to explore; it reminds me of JLU's "The Return" and Professor Ivo's robot.

Ok, but there should be action sequences. Brainiac cant be next supervillian for fights, I expect from him only one epic final battle in the space.

I doubt SInger will use recsues for action, SR already has them all. That is why Metallo is necessary for 1-2 action sequences.

[Kane]

Ok, but there should be action sequences. Brainiac cant be next supervillian for fights, I expect from him only one epic final battle in the space.

Yes he can. I could see 2 major fight sequences with Brainiac in the film.

Brainiac also has all of Kal-El's abilities and powers....along with access to Earth's weapons and defenses.

It could be insane. He could be throwing Earth's nuclear missiles like toys at Superman and all this crazy sh^t.

[Cinemaman]

Yes he can. I could see 2 major fight sequences with Brainiac in the film.

Brainiac also has all of Kal-El's abilities and powers....along with access to Earth's weapons and defenses.

It could be insane. He could be throwing Earth's nuclear missiles like toys at Superman and all this crazy sh^t.

But Brainiac cant be next Doc Ock or another superhero.

And how you imagine 2 fights with Brainiac, explain me this.

[hoopy3]

But Brainiac cant be next Doc Ock or another superhero.

And how you imagine 2 fights with Brainiac, explain me this.

Braniac could be tied with Metallo. The New Krypton is loaded with alien technology and Kryptonite. Braniac can create metallo (since metallo is way beyond human technology and Singer tries to keep things realistic) and since he is created from the NK technology he would have kryptonite embedded within him.

[KaptainKrypton]

Braniac could be tied with Metallo. The New Krypton is loaded with alien technology and Kryptonite. Braniac can create metallo (since metallo is way beyond human technology and Singer tries to keep things realistic) and since he is created from the NK technology he would have kryptonite embedded within him.
Good idea. They could have Corben be one of Luthor's lackeys who stumbles upon Brainiac and presto! The only thing I'd be wondering is if Metallo would be a pawn of Brainiac or if Corben would actually be in control. Either way, having them both be in the film would be pretty cool. Another option I feel would be cool would be if Brainiac used the Eradicator to fight Superman one on one.

[Cinemaman]

Braniac could be tied with Metallo. The New Krypton is loaded with alien technology and Kryptonite. Braniac can create metallo (since metallo is way beyond human technology and Singer tries to keep things realistic) and since he is created from the NK technology he would have kryptonite embedded within him.

Hey I have another version.

What if Brainiac explained Luthor, what he should make with alien technology to have power, but then Brainiac uses him to connect with Kal-El in sequel. It would be very intersting.

But I dont like Brainiac creating Metallo, they are different characters.

Now I will agree with Kane, Metallo isn't necessary.

[hoopy3]

Hey I have another version.

What if Brainiac explained Luthor, what he should make with alien technology to have power, but then Brainiac uses him to connect with Kal-El in sequel. It would be very intersting.

But I dont like Brainiac creating Metallo, they are different characters.

Now I will agree with Kane, Metallo isn't necessary.

I agree..metallo isn't necessary..i was just saying that of metallo was to be used this is a possible way.

[h0metwnhero]

my advice to supes is to stop throwing **** into space. it seems that whenever he does, something manages to come back and kick the crap outta him. i dont see braniac being an interesting villain i mean weve seen him in both stas and smallville. i mean of course it would be much more spectacular on screen, but basically its still the same thing. i mean the list goes on for good villians that could be used, why are we sticking to the same 4 or 5. but for all i know ...in the sequel new krypton could be floating through space and incidentally float into a lil planet we like to call apokolips, darkseid is like "what the *****!", thus opening a boom tube, sending the heavy hitters like kalibak, g godfrey, and granny goodness and her followers. i know i know its all too much, but you have to admit it sounds alot more appetizing then cardboard braniac.

[Cinemaman]

I agree..metallo isn't necessary..i was just saying that of metallo was to be used this is a possible way.

Really, Brainiac can be the main character behind scene even in SR.

Then we will know that Lex was wrong and Brainiac uses him to connect with Superman in sequel. Brainiac makes new world's problems to try Superman.

So I think in one of dialogues between Lex and Supes in sequel, we will hear some words of Brainiac from Luthor.

Lex will become Brainiac's body. But Brainiac will create its own body (Brainiac from STAS) to meet Superman.

What will be with Luthor at the end? I think he will get kryptonian cancer.

And there will be final battle between Superman and Brainiac in space. It will be not only physical, but also psychological trial for Superman.

But there is another 2 questions:

1) If we get Brainiac in action only at the end, what will be reasons of another action sequences???

2) And if Brainiac is in sequel, who will become another new supervillian in 3rd film???

[h0metwnhero]

let me ask you this
do you think they can pull that off without it looking incredibly ridiculous?

[Cinemaman]

let me ask you this
do you think they can pull that off without it looking incredibly ridiculous?

Sorry, I dont think there is something stupid. Or you just dont want Brainiac for sequel?

[h0metwnhero]

im not saying it would be stupid
i indeed think it would be a very good storyline
if they can pull it off right
if they can make it look and feel right
i mean i have alot of faith in singer
but sometimes somethings are just too much

[Nivek]

Personally, I would like to see them go for broke, have Zod in the next film, and at the end we see him beaten at Supermans hands, find out that "General" Zod betrayed Krytpon and it's armies by giving secrets to Darkside, who is now coming to Earth.

In the thrird film, Supes fights Darkside.

[Lightning54SC]

i personally think Parker Posey would have made a better ursla then Kitty, id like to see zod again but more ruthless and willing to take on superman and other villain besides lex for power and world domination

[Octoberist]

i would cry because if it's Zod. it tells me that the Superman movieverse is only limited to Luthor and Zod...

[Lightning54SC]

no its re telling a story... im sure we'll see brainiac and zod in the next movie but im sure we wont see darkseid, parasite, and metallo

[dark_b]

it has nothing to do with reteling a story. zod was already a villain. it would make singer look like he has no imagination.

a new villain is a must for the sequel.

zod is not an option.

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Brainiac, Mettal, Dark Seid, Doomsday....I can't really think of any other SUPER POWERED villains for Superman, the last one I can think of is Conduit.

I would love to see Superman face Dark Seid.

Since Singer loves the 1st film so much, he could use that film to bring Dark Seid into a sequel.

Einstein said that space was just a frabic, by Superman spinning the earth backwards he tore the fabic of space & time, thus enabling Dark Seid to monitor earth from his demension the past X amount of years................(It is forbidden for you to intefere with human history)

Singer could defenitely go in that direction. Bring in Dark Seid!!!!!!

[Batman]

Parasite is a villian I'd like to see, at some point. But Brainiac would be a great choice aswell... Probably even better, considering Brainiac is a larger scale villian than Parasite.

[h0metwnhero]

mxyptlyk for the win

[Cinemaman]

i would cry because if it's Zod. it tells me that the Superman movieverse is only limited to Luthor and Zod...

Agreed. I am tired with Zod.

[Cinemaman]

Brainiac DAMN IT!

[Kane]

Cinemaman, you were asking about the 2 fights:

Obviously an initial one midway in the film where Brainiac kicks Superman's ass..

And the final epic battle where Supes defeats him.

The thing is, since they both have Kryptonian abilities (superspeed, strength, flight etc....) they could have some insane (in flight) battles at lightspeed even...

Theres potential for some cool sh^t.

[Cinemaman]

Cinemaman, you were asking about the 2 fights:

Obviously an initial one midway in the film where Brainiac kicks Superman's ass..

And the final epic battle where Supes defeats him.

The thing is, since they both have Kryptonian abilities (superspeed, strength, flight etc....) they could have some insane (in flight) battles at lightspeed even...

Theres potential for some cool sh^t.

But what will be the reason of first fight???

[Kane]

But what will be the reason of first fight???

When Superman realizes that Brainiac was deceiving him the whole time, like in the STAS episode 'Stolen Memories' (Brainiacs debut).

Superman should realize Brainiac's dangerous intentions midway through the film so it build up the suspense of him as a villian till the end.....the final confrontation.

[Cinemaman]

When Superman realizes that Brainiac was deceiving him the whole time, like in the STAS episode 'Stolen Memories' (Brainiacs debut).

Superman should realize Brainiac's dangerous intentions midway through the film so it build up the suspense of him as a villian till the end.....the final confrontation.

I doubt Singer will use Brainiac in action 2 times.

Ok, just imagine, what if we get Brainiac in action only at the end, what will be reasons of another action sequences???

[Spider-Man™]

Cool!

[Kane]

I doubt Singer will use Brainiac in action 2 times.


:confused: He used Sabretooth in action twice.

[green]

The first movie hasnt even been released and you guys are already planning the fights for the sequel...talk about getting ahead of yourselves. No wonder some people are going to be let down by the movie, I dont think anything could live up to fanboy fantasies.

[Cinemaman]

:confused: He used Sabretooth in action twice.

Sabretooh was action villian-mutant.

[Lightning54SC]

i wanna see ZOD and Brainiac and i wanna see a show down only this time luther gets and creates Kryptonite bullits and fires upon Supes and zod and brainiac fighting and missing superman and hitting zod with a few rounds

[Kane]

Sabretooh was action villian-mutant.

And considering Brainiac is the only villian, he will cover the action territory along with the main villian (Magneto territory).

I want to see Brainiac as someone Superman trusts at first, since Brainy is a kryptonian repository of knowledge (Hes Krypton). He could be in a Ras A Gual-like role at first, training Kal-El and teaching him....but having his own alterier motives and eventually betraying him.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

I don't want to see him teach him... more tease him with information about Krypton.

[Lightning54SC]

^^

I don't want to see him teach him... more tease him with information about Krypton.

that would be cool.... maybe saying stuff like Jor-el was a traitor and was hurting kryptonains and stuff thus questioning his fathers teachings

[Kane]

Or give him the wrong information (which is what I implied with 'teach')

To try and manipulate Kal-El into joining him, and yes teasing him....offering Krypton and all its knowledge (and maybe the chance to somehow save Krypton or bring it back.....even though its all a deception).

[Kane]

that would be cool.... maybe saying stuff like Jor-el was a traitor and was hurting kryptonains and stuff thus questioning his fathers teachings

Blah, thats been done. Wouldnt work in this timeline since Jor-El isnt a bastard here.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Or give him the wrong information (which is what I implied with 'teach')

To try and manipulate Kal-El into joining him, and yes teasing him....offering Krypton and all its knowledge (and maybe the chance to somehow save Krypton or bring it back.....even though its all a deception).


Interesting idea.

I think ive seen that in the animated adventures.

[Kane]

Actually, heres the ultimate tease, Brainiac can use a spacial anomaly to travel back through time and offers Kal-El the chance to see Krypton and live among them (before the planet was destroyed)....

and likely give him the chance to alter time and save the planet....but Brainiac has his own alterior motives for doing so.

Think "World of Krypton" that was a comic series in the 80s where Superman went back in time to live among the Kryptonians before the planet was destroyed.

Its pretty epic.

[Morgoth]

I'm so tired of people with small minds saying they aren't that great, there are alot of Superman villians who would be great...Doomsday, Bizarro, Brainiac, and Parasite.

[TrailerMusic]

Think "World of Krypton" that was a comic series in the 80s where Superman went back in time to live among the Kryptonians before the planet was destroyed.

Its pretty epic.

Did Superman Babysit himself doing Lara his Mother a favor :confused:

[Kane]

Did Superman Babysit himself doing Lara his Mother a favor :confused:

I think he was too busy tapping some Kryptonian chick, but he was present at his parent's wedding...which was strange to him.

I have these comics all in my collection but I never bothered reading them completely :p

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I would love to see parasite.

[Kane]

He sucks.

J/k

Play the video game.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

I think it would make an interesting story.. or metello.

john corben would be excellent.

:up:

[TrailerMusic]

I think he was too busy tapping some Kryptonian chick, but he was present at his parent's wedding...which was strange to him.

I have these comics all in my collection but I never bothered reading them completely :p

What I dont get is why would Superman LET The Planet blow up. I would think he would do what it takes to help them. If he was there for THAT LONG :o & wouldnt it be strange to you if you were at your dead parents Wedding

[spider-neil]

there is only one villian I want to see.

'and now...finally...knell before (well you know the rest) :D

[Steelsheen]

Brainiac DAMN IT!

i hope they get Brent Spinner to play Brainiac.

[Threshold]

I'd love to see a sort of Bizarro/Cadmus storyline in the second film. I think having Bizarro as a villain opens the doors for some really cool action, as well as some interesting drama if they have Bizarro in the vein of STAS where he has a compelling story involving an identity crisis.

Another great storyline I remember is that one with the suicide squad that some guy put together to replace Superman or something. But Superman found out about some ulterior motive of the team and took them on and using his powers, he displayed immense strength and at the same time incredible restraint by incapacitating them without killing them. Didn't he take one out by lobotomizing him and removing his powers with his heat vision, x-ray vision, and telescopic vision?

Those two would be really cool. Either way I'm sure whatever Singer gives us will be more than exceptional.

[DarthSkywalker]

And considering Brainiac is the only villian, he will cover the action territory along with the main villian (Magneto territory).

I want to see Brainiac as someone Superman trusts at first, since Brainy is a kryptonian repository of knowledge (Hes Krypton). He could be in a Ras A Gual-like role at first, training Kal-El and teaching him....but having his own alterier motives and eventually betraying him.

How does that work when Kal-El has the FOS to do the exact same thing?

I'm so tired of people with small minds saying they aren't that great, there are alot of Superman villians who would be great...Doomsday, Bizarro, Brainiac, and Parasite.

Everyone one of those villians save Brainiac are nothing more then a bunch of things that hit people. Not all that enertaining. They are more secondary villians, then arch enemies.

The problem with some of the responses in this thread is that they want a film that is all about the villian. Darksied would need his own film to set up any kind of battle between him and Supes.

Brainiac could be the next villian, and at the very least he will show up in the third film, if there is one. Him creating a huge Metallo to attack the City would work very well. Same with some kind of Bizarro creation, with the big Battle between Clark and Brainiac the planet coming at the end. However I have a good feeling that Zod will be in the next film. Singer's latest comments on Superman II not being in continuity has me believing we will see a new Zod.

[Kane]

What I dont get is why would Superman LET The Planet blow up. I would think he would do what it takes to help them. If he was there for THAT LONG :o & wouldnt it be strange to you if you were at your dead parents Wedding

Im not sure if he was living amongst them at different time periods or there the whole time.... but ya, in the film....Brainiac would obviously just give him a taste (a day) to live among them once more...thats the ultimate teasing (what Robo wanted) and it would get Clark at his weakest (emotionally).

And yes, Superman WOULD still let the planet blow up in the end (it says something about Superman's character)....despite doing what he would have wanted for his own selfish desires (to live with his family and others like him)....he knew that tampering and altering time for his benefit would have dangerous consequences (as Jorel warned him in STM).......

He did it once to save Lois........this time he knows better, and painfullly must let them die.

[Kane]

How does that work when Kal-El has the FOS to do the exact same thing?


There isnt a FOS with Jor-El in the future though (from what Ive heard). Just as in the deleted footage of Superman II, Jor-El give his last lifeforce energy from the power of the FOS, to restore Kal-El......but in the end, theres nothing left of him..

The fortress.....an empty void.

[Kane]

i hope they get Brent Spinner to play Brainiac.

No actor for Brainiac....

Just an amazing voice actor.

[Rynan]

i hope they get Brent Spinner to play Brainiac.

http://www.mygenerationtoys.com/catalog/images/Super%20Powers%20Brainiac%20Complete.jpg
Brainiac is machine, not man.

[Kane]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Brainiac(STAS).jpg

A design like this would be awesome (to fit with the Crystal tech)....obviously the voice actor would need to be in the suit (doing the mouth movements etc)....but the actor's face wont be recognizeable.

[TheSuperBatFan]

I don't feel like reading through the entire thread to see if anyone else has mentioned this, but am I the only one that really doesn't want nor doesn't expect Darkseid to ever be used in live action? I mean don't get me wrong, I love Darkseid, but, A. Bringing in the concept of the whole 4th World saga, would be way to out there for a mainstream audience. They have come to accept sci fi, but they still don't generally go for the extreme sci fi, and imo Darkseid is as extreme as you get with Superman, B. Bringing in Darkseid would take any Superman movie he's in to a place I don't want to see. I don't want to see a dark Superman movie.

Personally the villians I'd see being capable of being adapted that would please both the fans and the mainstream audience and are perfect for a battle royale are Metallo, Brainiac, Parasite and Zod. villians that could be used as secondary villians are Toyman, and Bizarro (also perfect for a big fight, but couldn't be a solo villian).

[thorstone]

No he didnt. He just said it was Supermans biggest hurdle realizing the woman he loved has moved on with her life, is engaged, and has a kid out of all things. She has her own family now.

He in no way,shape, or form confirmed it being Supermans.

I don't know which interpretation is better, they should keep it a mystery for a film or two, something beneath the "text." The new trailers make this film look better (but I'll still be watching it anxious for a super villain in the sequel like Darkseid or Doomsday...Braniac is a dork).

[Rynan]

Braniac is a dork.

http://members.aol.com/thefightingfury/whoclix/b13.gif
It's spelled Brainiac and needless to say, he is not amused by your lack of logic.


And, seriously, what kind of plot could Doomsday come up with. Nothin, unless they plan to kill Superman, which I highley doubt. He's all muscle, no brains. Which is why Brainiac is superior.

[Kane]

I don't feel like reading through the entire thread to see if anyone else has mentioned this, but am I the only one that really doesn't want nor doesn't expect Darkseid to ever be used in live action? I mean don't get me wrong, I love Darkseid, but, A. Bringing in the concept of the whole 4th World saga, would be way to out there for a mainstream audience. They have come to accept sci fi, but they still don't generally go for the extreme sci fi, and imo Darkseid is as extreme as you get with Superman, B. Bringing in Darkseid would take any Superman movie he's in to a place I don't want to see. I don't want to see a dark Superman movie.

I think Darkseid could be done and adapted with a few tweaks. They dont have to go into the heavy details of the New Gods and the New Genesis/Apokolips wars. He could be an alien dictator (who like in STAS) is also tied to Intergang on Earth and suppling them with technology as a prelude to the invasion (like in STAS).

[Rynan]

I think Darkseid could be done and adapted with a few tweaks. They dont have to go into the heavy details of the New Gods and the New Genesis/Apokolips wars. He could be an alien dictator (who like in STAS) is also tied to Intergang on Earth and suppling them with technology as a prelude to the invasion (like in STAS).

I'd rather see a "New Gods" movie.

Which would be awesome.

[Kane]

They can still have both. Even though Darkseid appears in the Supes movie..The New Gods movie would serve as the official origins story and have all the characters in the war that started it all.

I think they should test it with Superman. If the Darkseid character is popular in the Superman movie, they should attempt The New Gods movie.

Seems logical.

[TheSuperBatFan]

They can still have both. Even though Darkseid appears in the Supes movie..The New Gods movie would serve as the official origins story and have all the characters in the war that started it all.

I think they should test it with Superman. If the Darkseid character is popular in the Superman movie, they should attempt The New Gods movie.

Seems logical.

I can see where your coming from, but even with a few tweaks, Darkseid is an unbelievably dark character. And even more than that, the whole concept of the 4th world, Apokolyps, New Genesis, Darkseid and the New Gods, thats pretty hardcore science fiction. Softcore sci fi has gained a sellable audience, but most harcore sci fi films are still generally bombs.

I love Darkseid. I love him in the comics. I loved him in STAS and JL, but in live action, I think he'd be to much. Maybe I could accept him as the villian of a Justice League movie, but in a purely Superman movie, thats taking the character into far darker territory than I think most realize.

[Kane]

Remember, Darkseid was only first introduced to the DCAU in a Superman episode (2 Parter)....

It really wasnt much darker than some other supervillians and was handled well, truely one of my favorite eps of that series.

[TheSuperBatFan]

Remember, Darkseid was only first introduced to the DCAU in a Superman episode (2 Parter)....

It really wasnt much darker than some other supervillians and was handled well, truely one of my favorite eps of that series.

I agree that he was well handled, but we're talking about the character that on the cartoon murdered Dan Turpin in cold blood just because he knew how it would effect Superman, and brainwashed Superman into betraying the Earth. I know opinions differ, but thats hardly on par with the tone of the rest of the villians that appeared on the show. Just about every episode of the show that was a full on Darkseid episode was much darker than the average STAS episode.

[Calendar Man]

If this film is a monster hit, Singer should step up to the challange and bring on Darkseid. He is easily Superman's most important villian beyond Lex.

[Kane]

Brainiac first.

[Calendar Man]

Brainiac first.

I could live with that but he better do Darkseid.

[BrollySupersj]

WHO would be a good voice for a Brainiac....I say Jason Lee.

[Kane]

I'd say Terrence Stamp just for a kick in the balls to Smallville fans.

Stamp does plan an evil bastard on Smallville anyways.

[Mr. Credible]

Im pretty sure Dan Harris and Mike D were planning to use Brainiac if the end of the novelization is the same ending to the film.

Everything seems to lead to his creation in the end.

I'm against Metallo as another villian, I dont see much unique potential with him. Hes literally a thug with a kryptonite heart, a Kryptonite freak of the week.......Smallvilles already overdone that.

Bring on the Brainiac.

what happened in the novelization to hint at a braniac sequel? i haven't really been keeping up with the novelization thread.

[Mr. Credible]

no Darkseid. not for a movie.

face it, Superman simply doesn't have many 'movie worthy' villains. metallo would be easy enough, and brainiac is pushing it, but could be done well. but darkseid? he may be huge in the comics, but he couldn't be made to work in a movie, and if he did, he's be so watered down that the only people who know who he is would be pissed at how he was handled.

[Ming]

Darksied is a rash leap. In the animated series and in the comics he works, but in a movie he would not. He is just too big. In both mediums his real war was with New Genisis and his goal was the Anti-Life Equation, making Superman and earth just mere stepping stones in his quest to control all life.

I know, Superman's rogues bite. They pale in comparision to say Batman's rogues or the Flash's, but they are still his foes. The challenge would be to write for them in a way that would make them more appealing to a broader demographic.

Personally, I really want to see Bizarro in a movie. Not enough to violate logical storytelling, but still, a lot.

Save Darksied for a New Gods movie, a place where he'd make much more of an impact.

And for Doomsday? I don't think that the Superman movies have delapated enough that they require the services of a walking plot device.

[BloodyWolverine]

Well it would have to be Brainace or Darksaid. I am more for Draksaid as a finally movie. He would be the villain i would use to finally have an ending worthy to the name of Superman.

Ofcourse for me Brainace would have to be the most easiest choice. Maybe they would get Patrick Stewart to play Brainace since they got along so well in the first 2 x-men.

[Jakomus]

I wouldn't mind the return of General Zod.

[Pedro_Sanchez]

For the next movie i would do Doomsday and call it the Death of Superman, then the third movie is called Superman lives vs i dont know darksied or Brainaic. Superman never had the greatest villians IMO.

[Kane]

what happened in the novelization to hint at a braniac sequel? i haven't really been keeping up with the novelization thread.

Before Superman dies, he uses his last strength to throw New Krypton into space to destroy it. In the end, the advanced Kryptonian crystal technology (the same also used in the fortress to hold knowlegde and data on Krypton) beings to re-form and grow....in space....into....something.

[supercrashmac]

What about Maxima coming to Earth from Almerac to find a potential mate in Superman. She could bring along Mongul as her guard.

[CoreyIAN]

i want livewire.

livewire is hot and her eletricity powers is soooooooooooo cool!!!!!!!!

[terry78]

Point blank, you use some of his villains, it may come off goofy. You keep using disasters and Luthor, it comes off as more of the same. They're kinda stuck.

[ryan dube]

Either Parasite, Braniac or Bizzaro with of course Lex in there somewhere...

[BobJM]

Either Parasite, Braniac or Bizzaro with of course Lex in there somewhere...

What about Metallo??

[sheltz32tt]

What about braniac and another character, possibly Zod or Lobo. They could be braniacs Bodyguard. I would really like to see supes let it all go in the next movie too. Dont hold back on anyone. After all if they kidnapped his son, would you hold back?