First Transformers Set Pictures

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=14785

Source: notfabio, Sony BMG Entertainment
May 31, 2006



A collection of photos taken from the Transformers (http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=8437) sets can now be found here (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55117&page=4) and here (http://www.pagenstecher.de/showtopic.php?threadid=136456&pagenum=1#2550049)! The pictures confirm that Chevy is one of the key vehicle partners and that Volkswagen is definitely out as Bumblebee. (Possible spoiler ahead) The car looks to get sold to Spike as the heavily beat up Classic Camaro and gets fixed up to the 2008 model (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=14785#).

Paramount's DreamWorks is eyeing a July 4, 2007 release date for the Michael Bay-directed film, starring Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel, Jon Voight (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=14785#), Bernie Mac (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=14785#), Tyrese Gibson, Rachael Taylor, Amaury Nolasco (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=14785#) and Kevin Dunn.

[Hunter Rider]

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[deathshead2]

I really like the poster very nice and basic like the first SR poster. Now the car how do they turn an old crappy car into a 2008 model one is beyond me:confused: I sort of like it though it grew on me.

[Hunter Rider]

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[Hunter Rider]

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[Hunter Rider]

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[Hunter Rider]

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[Hunter Rider]

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[Hunter Rider]

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[Octoberist]

Das Orignalbild gibt es nur direct auf!

In other words, I can't see crap..

[Hunter Rider]

Das Orignalbild gibt es nur direct auf!

In other words, I can't see crap..

:confused:

[Octoberist]

I can't see the pictures, sadly to say :(

[Hunter Rider]

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[Hunter Rider]

I can't see the pictures, sadly to say :(

have you clicked on the links ?

[PWN3R]

Wow, finally something!

Thanks Hunter.

[zer00]

nice tank

[CFlash]

That camaro is supposed to be Bumblebee.
He doesn't look like Bumblebee to me in any sense.

He got an "extreme makeover"

[Hunter Rider]

That camaro is supposed to be Bumblebee.
He doesn't look like Bumblebee to me in any sense.

He got an "extreme makeover"

Looks like they made him into a car a teen would actually want,i like it personally:)

[zer00]

meh it's yellow. Not like they had much of a choice.

[Sub-Zero]

so are they not going to be from another planet?

[deathshead2]

so are they not going to be from another planet?Um yeah there from another planet I guess you didn't read the script review.

[Sub-Zero]

nah. is it the one on latinoreview?

[deathshead2]

nah. is it the one on latinoreview?Yeah.Besides Bay said they are there will even be a scene with them coming to earth so yeah.

[Sub-Zero]

sounds cool. i may take a look at that review.

[CFlash]

Looks like they made him into a car a teen would actually want,i like it personally:)

Eh, seems contrary to his character. But oh well. It's not like this movie is really Transformers in most senses.

Personally I think making him a hot-rod is a way to dumb down the movie for the idiots out there that think Fast and Furious should be nominated for a Best Picture Oscar.

[Denny67]

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[Denny67]

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[Hunter Rider]

Eh, seems contrary to his character. But oh well. It's not like this movie is really Transformers in most senses.

Personally I think making him a hot-rod is a way to dumb down the movie for the idiots out there that think Fast and Furious should be nominated for a Best Picture Oscar.

I'm not sure how it seems contrary to his character to want a nice ride but i get the feeling that whatever i say will not matter:)

[muscaremy]

doesnt really bother me bumblebee is a camaro cuz with the whole VW thing i knew he wouldnt be a bug..........damn i want the new camaro

[CFlash]

I'm not sure how it seems contrary to his character to want a nice ride but i get the feeling that whatever i say will not matter:)

Um, there was a reason for Bumblebee being "not a hot rod" and "not a muscle car" (which a Camaro is). He wasn't fast, he wasn't powerful, he was sorta the odd-man out, and looked up to his larger more powerful comrades. In other words he wasn't "cool." His minicon partner, Cliffjumper, on the other hand was the hot-rod.

[Hunter Rider]

Um, there was a reason for Bumblebee being "not a hot rod" and "not a muscle car" (which a Camaro is). He wasn't fast, he wasn't powerful, he was sorta the odd-man out, and looked up to his larger more powerful comrades. In other words he wasn't "cool." His minicon partner, Cliffjumper, on the other hand was the hot-rod.

Yes and theyv'e changed it due to the issues with VW and it looks like they have combined Cliffjumper and Bumblebee into one,his personality may be more bumblebee but his look is more in tune with that of a car a teen would want

[CFlash]

Yes and theyv'e changed it due to the issues with VW

No, they changed it to make the movie a dumb racing movie. They could have picked from the gazillion of compact cars out on the market today... many of them quite popular with teens.

[Hunter Rider]

No, they changed it to make the movie a dumb racing movie. They could have picked from the gazillion of compact cars out on the market today... many of them quite popular with teens.

How do you know it's a "dumb racing movie"? like i said in the part you edited off,they probably chose to mix Bumblebee and Cliffjumper together and use a car that will actually look good onscreen

[terry78]

No, they changed it to make the movie a dumb racing movie. They could have picked from the gazillion of compact cars out on the market today... many of them quite popular with teens.
Replace teens with girls and you're right on the money. Teenage dudes despise compact cars.

[DorkyFresh]

Question(s)....who is/are...

-the helicopters
-the big badass tank! haha, please be Megatron!
-the mustang police car. holy shhh!
-the bonecrusher.

luckily i'm not a BIG transformers fan, so i don't mind changes like Bumblebee being a Camaro.

[Arcturus]

Whoa, this is awesome! Can't wait to see more.

:up:

[Hunter Rider]

Question(s)....who is/are...

-the helicopters
-the big badass tank! haha, please be Megatron!
-the mustang police car. holy shhh!
-the bonecrusher.

luckily i'm not a BIG transformers fan, so i don't mind changes like Bumblebee being a Camaro.

I think the big chopper is Shockwave,the Tank is devastator i believe

[zer00]

I think the big chopper is Shockwave,the Tank is devastator i believe

well "devastator"



To punish and enslave aye...k

[da creole kid]

Who was the Deceptacon who was a tank and a chopper?

I vaguely remember such a character.

[da creole kid]

Blitzwing!

Yeah he was awesome!

[CFlash]

Replace teens with girls and you're right on the money. Teenage dudes despise compact cars.

Um, AFAIK, in modern street racing circles (New York City anyway), Muscle-cars (i.e 6 cylinder+... like a camaro) are a no-no. The fun is in modifying and souping up 4-cylinder cars. Most of them (all?) are compact sport cars.

Only a jerk (a.k.a. wannabee... a.k.a. douchebag) would think he's cool with a muscle car straight out the lot.

[BlazingBread]

Dont get me wrong these pics are great but how do you think the live action cars turning into cg look like. Or at least i think cg is the only way to show them in robot form

[deathshead2]

http://denrick.eqwolf.com/81768.2013.jpgThats great I love it:up:

[deathshead2]

Um, AFAIK, in modern street racing circles (New York City anyway), Muscle-cars (i.e 6 cylinder+... like a camaro) are a no-no. The fun is in modifying and souping up 4-cylinder cars. Most of them (all?) are compact sport cars.

Only a jerk (a.k.a. wannabee... a.k.a. douchebag) would think he's cool with a muscle car straight out the lot.Ok thats uncalled for.Think before you type plese.

[deathshead2]

Blitzwing!

Yeah he was awesome!No he was a tank and a jet

[da creole kid]

You're right he was part jet.

Springer was part chopper.

[CFlash]

Ok thats uncalled for.Think before you type plese.

deathshead... I don't think you "got" why I typed that. See here: http://factualmaterial.com/douchebag.htm
(it's funny).

[deathshead2]

deathshead... I don't think you "got" why I typed that. See here: http://factualmaterial.com/douchebag.htm
(it's funny).Right um ok.:confused:

[Psionic Force]

This may have been explained elsewhere... but why is Bumblebee a Camaro? Isnt he a VW Beetle?

[deathshead2]

This may have been explained elsewhere... but why is Bumblebee a Camaro? Isnt he a VW Beetle?Hasbro couldn't get the rights to use a VW becasue they said they don't like it being assiocated with guns and other crap like that.

[Psionic Force]

Hasbro couldn't get the rights to use a VW becasue they said they don't like it being assiocated with guns and other crap like that.

You have got to be kidding me! That really sucks!

[deathshead2]

Yeah I know same reason we didn't get a BB toy with those alternaters.

[zer00]

Only a jerk (a.k.a. wannabee... a.k.a. douchebag) would think he's cool with a muscle car straight out the lot.

So they'd be like you?:confused:

[Sub-Zero]

oh yeah...well the jerk store called...they're running out of you.(joking here people)

[zer00]

that was a joke?...could have fooled me

[Sub-Zero]

you obviously have never seen seinfeld.

[zer00]

You obviously have never heard of sarcasm. Or...thinking

[Sub-Zero]

the original bumblebee was a vw beetle, right?

[zer00]

yes

[TheCardPlayer]

A Saleen Mustang police car Decepticon?





Heaven much?

[nightwing06]

WOW pictures of .......cars....:confused:

[Cold2daToucH004]

WOW pictures of .......cars....:confused:

Do you know anything about transformers? Cause, I mean... if you were a fan, I'm pretty sure you would know why people are so hyped about cars.

[TheCardPlayer]

Not just cars. Giant robots that will kick the crap out of each others.

**** the plot. There I said it. I'd rather this be the coolest action film ever then have emotional scenes with robots.

[terry78]

^And that is why we have Bay. :o

[da creole kid]

You know who was also awesome?

Astrotrain.

[littleredhat]

Loves:To enslave and punish,Bumblebee's sweet look,all the awsome military vehicels.

Hates:Cranky old Gen-1 fans complaining that it isn't the same show that they remember from the '80s. Transformers has done dozens of different versions of the this story and yet your still shocked and apalled that it is different from the Gen 1 version,which is different from the Japanese version,which is different from the comic version,which is different from the eropean comic version, which is different from the modern cartoon version,which is different from the manga version,which is different from the Beast Wars version,which is different from the movie version.

I like things that turn into giant alien robots. If you don't then nuts to you.:mad:

[Gold Samurai]

pictures are down please upload to imageshack.us

[unrealman]

compact cars

http://www.splise.com/Compact+car/category_236.html?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is a good thread. It should be renamed 'The official Transformers pictures thread' and stickied.

[da creole kid]

lrh- You're right to a certain degree. But come on! Bumblebee = Bug

[zer00]

And VW won't let them use a bug

[skorponok]

Hates:Cranky old Gen-1 fans complaining that it isn't the same show that they remember from the '80s. Transformers has done dozens of different versions of the this story and yet your still shocked and apalled that it is different from the Gen 1 version,which is different from the Japanese version,which is different from the comic version,which is different from the eropean comic version, which is different from the modern cartoon version,which is different from the manga version,which is different from the Beast Wars version,which is different from the movie version.

I like things that turn into giant alien robots. If you don't then nuts to you.:mad:


WOW :eek: My favorite new poster :)

[Spare-Flair]

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XXX Tank Reused?

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To Punish and Enslave? WTF?

[cabel]

nothing defines badass like a decepticon decal

[DorkyFresh]

i sorta feel bad for the fans of generation 1, but a small part of me is glad...

...because this is shaping up the be the UBER Hollywood Popcorn Action Summer flick! haha. fellas (and ladies) turn your brains off and enjoy the ride!!!

[CFlash]

i sorta feel bad for the fans of generation 1, but a small part of me is glad...

...because this is shaping up the be the UBER Hollywood Popcorn Action Summer flick! haha. fellas (and ladies) turn your brains off and enjoy the ride!!!

Fortunately.... I don't think audiences go for that ***** anymore. The Island is a big example. MI3's lackluster performance is another.

I think I read a poster say the SAME EXACT thing as your post concerning Godzilla 98 way back when... and that movie was a box office bomb (relatively speaking).

The days of the movies for retards (Independence Day, Armageddon, etc) died (IMHO) on 9/11. Audiences aren't so stupid anymore (some retard holdovers notwithstanding).

[Hunter Rider]

Fortunately.... I don't think audiences go for that ***** anymore. The Island is a big example. MI3's lackluster performance is another.

I think I read a poster say the SAME EXACT thing as your post concerning Godzilla 98 way back when... and that movie was a box office bomb (relatively speaking).

The days of the movies for retards (Independence Day, Armageddon, etc) died (IMHO) on 9/11. Audiences aren't so stupid anymore (some retard holdovers notwithstanding).

again branding ppl with lables b/c they enjoy something you don't:(
X3 seems to refute your theory that ppl don't still enjoy a old fashioned kickass actioner

[catintheengine]

I really don't mind Bumblebee being a Camaro. It's a sweet car, but I want to know what they're planning for it consider that that Camaro hasn't technically been "greenlit" (it's a shoein, but still...things happen sometimes that prevent cars from going ahead.)

That yellow Camaro up on the flatbed looks like the '81. If so, my friend has that same car, but it's a z28 and black (and also in FAR better condition) but that's still tight.

[CFlash]

again branding ppl with lables b/c they enjoy something you don't:(
X3 seems to refute your theory that ppl don't still enjoy a old fashioned kickass actioner

I happen to think X3 was anything but mindless... and not nearly the "actioner" you (and many others) suggest. In fact, the movie was about 90% exposition before any action. And despite it straying from the source (which all the X-Men movies did) it nonetheless managed to touch upon all the emotional points and conflicts the comic did.

If Transformers is half as thought-provoking as X3, I'd be happy. Somehow, I doubt it.

[halfapple]

tried clicking the links and nothing shows up :(

where are the pics?

[Hunter Rider]

I happen to think X3 was anything but mindless... and not nearly the "actioner" you (and many others) suggest. In fact, the movie was about 90% exposition before any action. And despite it straying from the source (which all the X-Men movies did) it nonetheless managed to touch upon all the emotional points and conflicts the comic did.

If Transformers is half as thought-provoking as X3, I'd be happy. Somehow, I doubt it.

i guess that i was right the other day:up:

[skorponok]

The whole old camaro/new camaro thing kinda reminds me of Bumblebees transformation into GOLDBUG...even the color of the new model is a little more "golden"

[Cinemaman]

The whole movie looks like damn good summer blockbuster :up:

[terry78]

The fact that it's transportation vehicles transforming into giant robots will get asses in seats, period. It will matter to fans of the mythos if they're accurate, but to a lot of people it's just going to be giant robots fighting.

[CFlash]

The fact that it's transportation vehicles transforming into giant robots will get asses in seats, period. It will matter to fans of the mythos if they're accurate, but to a lot of people it's just going to be giant robots fighting.

I don't know about that. Audiences seem weary of the mindless blockbuster nowadays. The lackluster performance of MI3 I think is evidence of that. Not to mention Bay's last movie The Island.

Bad word of mouth will definately kill this movie.... or at least temper its success. Alienating the fans will rob the movie of repeat viewers (For instance, I usually see these comic movies twice.... once with my friends and once with my fiance--- IF it's good). And if the movie doesn't appeal to the majority of Gen-X that remember things like Bumblebee Bug and Soundwave being Soundwave.... it also robs the "take your kids" factor.

No way, I'm taking my daughter to see a bastardized Transformers.... there would be ZERO "bonding experience" for me to do so. Plus, I'm sure Disney or whatever will have a suitable alternative to take my daughter to.

What could have been a 500 Million+ domestic box office take.... just suddenly became 275 Million (and that's being generous!). Sure it might make its money back.... but in no way will it be a classic.

I really wish this movie endouvered to be a classic.

[Hunter Rider]

I don't know about that. Audiences seem weary of the mindless blockbuster nowadays. The lackluster performance of MI3 I think is evidence of that. Not to mention Bay's last movie The Island.

Bad word of mouth will definately kill this movie.... or at least temper its success. Alienating the fans will rob the movie of repeat viewers (For instance, I usually see these comic movies twice.... once with my friends and once with my fiance--- IF it's good). And if the movie doesn't appeal to the majority of Gen-X that remember things like Bumblebee Bug and Soundwave being Soundwave.... it also robs the "take your kids" factor.

No way, I'm taking my daughter to see a bastardized Transformers.... there would be ZERO "bonding experience" for me to do so. Plus, I'm sure Disney or whatever will have a suitable alternative to take my daughter to.

What could have been a 500 Million+ domestic box office take.... just suddenly became 275 Million (and that's being generous!). Sure it might make its money back.... but in no way will it be a classic.

I really wish this movie endouvered to be a classic.
MI-3 was not mindless and you're making a crazy halving of box office profits based off the fact your upset over a few changes,don't you think waiting until we see something would make more sense ?

[Mister Sinister]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/sallokin/PICT1243.jpg
Megatron?

[DorkyFresh]

Fortunately.... I don't think audiences go for that ***** anymore.
i'm sorry?

i seem to recall a few action packed and popcorny flicks that did fairly well in the box office....they're called Pirates of the Caribbean, X-Men 3, and Chronicles of Narnia. also...these movies might not've been big at the box office but everyone i know who saw the movie actually liked Underworld (both of them) and Mr. & Mrs. Smith...

I think I read a poster say the SAME EXACT thing as your post concerning Godzilla 98 way back when...
well then...it was probably me, hehe. i loved Godzilla 98....it was a fun and stupidly awesome movie. it might not've been 100% faithful to Godzilla but i still think it's a fun movie to watch. if the movie were called anything else but Godzilla i bet it would've done much better...

The days of the movies for retards (Independence Day, Armageddon, etc) died (IMHO) on 9/11.
well like you said....that's your opinion. and i'm glad you get off by calling people who know how to ENJOY movies (instead of analyze them) retarded.

Bad word of mouth will definately kill this movie.... or at least temper its success.
bad word of mouth from a handfull of G1 purist fanboys is NOT going to kill this movie...haha

And if the movie doesn't appeal to the majority of Gen-X that remember things like Bumblebee Bug and Soundwave being Soundwave.... it also robs the "take your kids" factor.
riiiggghhtt...i'm sure ALL the G1 fans are going to deny their kids this movie. :rolleyes: even if they did, that doesn't mean all the parents that will bring their kids to this flick are G1 fans. i'm sure the majority of the parents who bring their kids don't even know who Megatron is...

Sure it might make its money back.... but in no way will it be a classic.

I really wish this movie endouvered to be a classic.
keep wishing...even if Spielberg HIMSELF were to direct, it still probably wouldn't be regarded as a classic. there are few movies now-a-days that you can hold in the same regard as the Godfather.

Transformers was never meant to make you think about the meaning of life or the mysteries of the universe. it was made to entertain kids......and that's exactly was this movie is going to do, even if that kid is the little kid inside the adult.

but i'm gathering by your posts that you're probably not in touch with yours...

[CFlash]

Who's talking Godfather? I meant Cameron's Terminator and Aliens... or even Singers Usual Suspects, type classic. Bay has not produced a "classic" movie in his entire career.

I agree with your sig that it is a great time to be a comic book fan.

But not all these movies are "good." Most are just passable (like FF4). Some are horrible (like Elektra). Only 1 or 2 are destined to be classics and influential in the Tim Burton sort of way or James Cameron sort of way.

But, yeah... lowered expectations helps a lot when going to see some of these movies.

[TheCardPlayer]

Anybody's got a picture of Bonecrusher's ****ing huge claw thingy? That owned.

[halfapple]

VW Beetle would be better, but I guess they already chose to run with a Camaro.

[Denny67]

i sorta feel bad for the fans of generation 1, but a small part of me is glad...

...because this is shaping up the be the UBER Hollywood Popcorn Action Summer flick! haha. fellas (and ladies) turn your brains off and enjoy the ride!!!

One major thing you are not thinking about. If you do your math, Gen I fans are the ones who now hold the credit cards, have families and are driving the economy. All are ranging from their late 20’s to early 40’s.

Purely from a demographic stand point, THIS is the audience you want to capture; THIS is the audience who will be going to introduce their young children to the Transformers. The first movie has to be one at least somewhat based in nostalgia, just to grab them.

From there you evolve your stories to include new characters, designs and then introduce the new stuff to that audience. Going the other way around to appease toy contracts and Hollywood morons who insist on having creative input and are not familiar with anything other than the bottom line is a huge mistake. You end up with those would be buyers walking out with a disappointed, WTF look on their face and spending their dollars somewhere else.

After over 20 years of waiting, buying and dreaming I think that audience deserves to see that movie.

[CFlash]

Thank you Denny67.

[skorponok]

I don't know about that. Audiences seem weary of the mindless blockbuster nowadays. The lackluster performance of MI3 I think is evidence of that. Not to mention Bay's last movie The Island.

Bad word of mouth will definately kill this movie.... or at least temper its success.

What could have been a 500 Million+ domestic box office take.... just suddenly became 275 Million (and that's being generous!).



1. The Island isn't mindless, nor does it mean you have to be Einstein to watch it, but it's not mindless

2. Bad word of mouth from a small faction of whiny nerds hell-bent on destroying a movie for no real viable reason certainly didn't hurt X3's opening

3. You REALLY thought that transformers had a shot at a $500 MILLION DOMESTIC box office take???

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH:eek:

You have invalidated about 65% of what you say on these boards.

[Hunter Rider]

I doubt any grown man would not take his kids to see a Transformers movie if they were excited about it from trailers purely b/c they altered a toon he liked as an 8 year old,what kind of dispicible parenting would that be ?

[DorkyFresh]

One major thing you are not thinking about. If you do your math, Gen I fans are the ones who now hold the credit cards, have families and are driving the economy. All are ranging from their late 20’s to early 40’s.

Purely from a demographic stand point, THIS is the audience you want to capture; THIS is the audience who will be going to introduce their young children to the Transformers. The first movie has to be one at least somewhat based in nostalgia, just to grab them.

i agree that the gen 1 fans deserve a faithful movie, but you're speaking as if gen 1 fans are going to make up the most people who would watch a Transformers movie. you're making the assumption that all parents who are late 20 to early 40 is a gen 1 Transformer fan.

once again, i really wish they would've been more faithful to gen 1, but gen 1 fans aren't the ONLY people who hold the credit cards, have families, and drive the economy. there are MILLIONS of adults out there that know next to NOTHING about Transformers....but they're gonna take their kids to see it anyway. not to mention all the teens who are able to drive and love cool looking vehicles and action movies.

don't use gen 1 fans when talking about box office draw because i guarantee that there are more parents that don't know anything about Transformers than there are parents that are gen 1 fans. most likely both types of parents will be taking their kids to go see the film REGARDLESS of if it's based on gen 1 or not, simply because it's gonna have a lot of action and because it's gonna have vehicles that ****ing transform into robots...

[DorkyFresh]

I doubt any grown man would not take his kids to see a Transformers movie if they were excited about it from trailers purely b/c they altered a toon he liked as an 8 year old,what kind of dispicible parenting would that be ?

thank you...i'm sorry but if i had a kid and they wanted to see a new Spider-Man movie that's been drastically altered from the comic book...

...i'm still gonna take them to see the movie because 1) i'm still a Spider-Man fan so it'd be interesting to see someone else's take on it and 2) because it's what my KID wants.....not me. once you have a kid, his/her wants and needs come first.

[CFlash]

I doubt any grown man would not take his kids to see a Transformers movie if they were excited about it from trailers purely b/c they altered a toon he liked as an 8 year old,what kind of dispicible parenting would that be ?

Uhhh.... A discerning parent... Maybe? Are you a parent? You take your kids to movies simply because a trailer tells them "see me?"

Well, my daughter sees about a gazillion commercials for lots of things. And, she'd just assume go see Hoodwinked as she would Shaggy Dog. (Knowing full well she'll likely see either on DVD at some point in the future). I don't take her to see EVERY movie.... so we discuss and we PICK what we go see.

There's your answer.

[Hunter Rider]

Uhhh.... A discerning parent... Maybe? Are you a parent? You take your kids to movies simply because a trailer tells them "see me?"

Well, my daughter sees about a gazillion commercials for lots of things. And, she'd just assume go see Hoodwinked as she would Shaggy Dog. (Knowing full well she'll likely see either on DVD at some point in the future). I don't take her to see EVERY movie.... so we discuss and we PICK what we go see.

There's your answer.

If the movie is a kids film and is of a suitable age you take them to see it like my folks took me to see He Man even though "OMG" it was completely altered from my comic experience
Are you telling me if she thought the TF movie looked awesome fun that you wouldn't take her to it b/c they changed some characters you liked as a child ?
also im not a parent but i am an uncle and we do what the kids want if it is suitble,i don't consider an action movie without a heavy plot or faithfulness to something i liked as an 8 year old bad for them

[CFlash]

thank you...i'm sorry but if i had a kid and they wanted to see a new Spider-Man movie that's been drastically altered from the comic book...

...i'm still gonna take them to see the movie because 1) i'm still a Spider-Man fan so it'd be interesting to see someone else's take on it and 2) because it's what my KID wants.....not me. once you have a kid, his/her wants and needs come first.

Which is why you're suppossed to TALK to your kid and explain to them why you think the movie is crap and if they're still insistant then by all means go ahead. This is how you teach kids to think analytically and make decisions for themselves.... rather than be SPOONFED by things like "marketing."

Using your analogy... I would explain to her how Spider-Man at some point may have been an artists or writer's artistic expression... and how the movie may or may not betray the original intent of the art and instead is just made purely "to make money." (I do not believe that about Spider-Man by the way).

Luckily, my daughter and I have a good relationship like that.... Well, most of the time anyway. She does still insist on collecting Barbie's :(. :)

[DorkyFresh]

Using your analogy... I would explain to her how Spider-Man at some point may have been an artists or writer's artistic expression... and how the movie may or may not betray the original intent of the art and instead is just made purely "to make money." (I do not believe that about Spider-Man by the way).
soryr but i don't think most 5 to 10 year olds are gonna care about an idea being 'betrayed'. if they see the trailer for Transformers and like what they see in the trailer, then they're gonna wanna see MORE of what's in the TRAILER. i could show them the original cartoons all i want to make the point that they're not being totally faithful.....but in the end, they'll most likely still want to see the movie just because of how 'cool' the TRAILER looked to them.

This is how you teach kids to think analytically and make decisions for themselves.... rather than be SPOONFED by things like "marketing."
if i have a son and he wants to see Transformers, i'll take him. if he wants to see Ninja Turtles, i'll take him. if he wants to see the Incredibles, i'll take him. he's a KID...i'm gonna let him enjoy being a KID. he can worry about making decisions and thinking analytically when he starts becoming an adult...

...kids are supposed to be kids...not adults. being a kid is one of the reasons why most gen 1 fans fell in love with Transformers......not because they were thinking analytically.

[Hunter Rider]

if i have a son and he wants to see Transformers, i'll take him. if he wants to see Ninja Turtles, i'll take him. if he wants to see the Incredibles, i'll take him. he's a KID...i'm gonna let him enjoy being a KID. he can worry about making decisions and thinking analytically when he starts becoming an adult...

...kids are supposed to be kids...not adults. being a kid is one of the reasons why most gen 1 fans fell in love with Transformers......not because they were thinking analytically.

AMEN!:up:

[CFlash]

If the movie is a kids film and is of a suitable age you take them to see it like my folks took me to see He Man even though "OMG" it was completely altered from my comic experience
Are you telling me if she thought the TF movie looked awesome fun that you wouldn't take her to it b/c they changed some characters you liked as a child ?
also im not a parent but i am an uncle and we do what the kids want if it is suitble,i don't consider an action movie without a heavy plot or faithfulness to something i liked as an 8 year old bad for them

Good luck with that.

I like the fact that I can take my daughter to a place like the Museum of Natural History here in NY and have her genuinely interested in analyzing and asking (really good!) questions than have that spaced out "duh" look on her face.

And, to answer your question I WOULD take her to TF. After explaining to her why I think the movie is a waste... and giving her an alternative... if she still wants to go I'd definately take her. Then, we'd talk about what we BOTH liked and disliked about the movie and what (IF ANYTHING) the movie HAD TO SAY.

I happen to believe movies are art.

[Hunter Rider]

Good luck with that.

I like the fact that I can take my daughter to a place like the Museum of Natural History here in NY and have her genuinely interested in analyzing and asking (really good!) questions than have that spaced out "duh" look on her face.

And, to answer your question I WOULD take her to TF. After explaining to her why I think the movie is a waste... and giving her an alternative... if she still wants to go I'd definately take her. Then, we'd talk about what we BOTH liked and disliked about the movie and what (IF ANYTHING) the movie HAD TO SAY.

I happen to believe movies are art.

How old is she ?

[Denny67]

i agree that the gen 1 fans deserve a faithful movie, but you're speaking as if gen 1 fans are going to make up the most people who would watch a Transformers movie. you're making the assumption that all parents who are late 20 to early 40 is a gen 1 Transformer fan.


Actually, I was not assuming that at all. I realize not all fans. But now that you bring it up there will be many who are fans and the majority of the people who are going to see it will be familiar with the characters in one way or another. That may be because their, brother, boyfriend, father or whomever breaks it down for them as a commercials start to hit…right around 07/04/06.




once again, i really wish they would've been more faithful to gen 1, but gen 1 fans aren't the ONLY people who hold the credit cards, have families, and drive the economy. there are MILLIONS of adults out there that know next to NOTHING about Transformers....but they're gonna take their kids to see it anyway. not to mention all the teens who are able to drive and love cool looking vehicles and action movies.

Well first off I never said that gen 1 fans were “the ONLY people who hold the credit cards, have families, and drive the economy." What is did say is the 29-40 year old demographic does. That is fact not opinion. At the time that this dominate economic demographic, male and female (at least in the US) were children, they were all watching:

Transformers, Thundercats, G.I. Joe, Go-Bots, Robotech, He-Man, Bionic Six, Captain Harlock, Gummi Bears, Dungeons and Dragons, Ghostbusters, G-Force, Jem, Star Blazers, M.A.S.K., Silverhawks, Smurfs, Voltron, Super Friends ect.. when they got home from school or on Saturday morning.

This is another reason that when products like the Transformers statues and busts were release at a $35 – 40$ price tag. They were (successfully) aiming at the aforementioned age and economic demographic.


don't use gen 1 fans when talking about box office draw because i guarantee that there are more parents that don't know anything about Transformers than there are parents that are gen 1 fans. most likely both types of parents will be taking their kids to go see the film REGARDLESS of if it's based on gen 1 or not, simply because it's gonna have a lot of action and because it's gonna have vehicles that ****ing transform into robots...

The statement of “i guarantee that there are more parents that don't know anything about Transformers than there are parents that are gen 1 fans.” Is pretty (for lack of a better word and not to be insulting) ignorant.

Transformers have been a household name and pop culture icon for over 20 years now, largely based on the popularity and the memory of the original series. If you honestly think this is an underground “geek-world” phenomenon you are sadly mistaken. If you don’t think so, go watch VH1’s I Love the 80’s. You will see a ton of stars mention the Transformers with fond memories, and when they refer to it, they refer to the original series. Why do you think that is? That is what they grew up with.

My “assumption that all parents who are late 20 to early 40 is a gen 1 Transformer fan.” Is for the most part pretty dead on. There are 20+ years of sales and a live action movie being made to prove it.

If you look at the run and incarnations of the Transformers in media there are none that can compare in toy sales, merchandising or popularity to the original.


Save maybe if it is done right Transformers: (2007 live action film)

[DorkyFresh]

The statement of “i guarantee that there are more parents that don't know anything about Transformers than there are parents that are gen 1 fans.” Is pretty (for lack of a better word and not to be insulting) ignorant.

Transformers have been a household name and pop culture icon for over 20 years now, largely based on the popularity and the memory of the original series. If you honestly think this is an underground “geek-world” phenomenon you are sadly mistaken. If you don’t think so, go watch VH1’s I Love the 80’s. You will see a ton of stars mention the Transformers with fond memories, and when they refer to it, they refer to the original series. Why do you think that is? That is what they grew up with.

that wasn't mean to be taken literally....of course parents know about Transformers. they ARE a household name like you said, but what i MEANT was that there are more parents out there who don't know the story or characters of Transformers than there are G1 fans. i dare you to ask any parent 25 to 40 who Starscream is and i bet at least half of them won't know.

all i'm sayin' is....gen 1 fans make up a small group of people compared to people who don't know much about Transformers.

[ragdus]

Bay has not produced a "classic" movie in his entire career.

Heat.

[ragdus]

One major thing you are not thinking about. If you do your math, Gen I fans are the ones who now hold the credit cards, have families and are driving the economy. All are ranging from their late 20’s to early 40’s.

Purely from a demographic stand point, THIS is the audience you want to capture; THIS is the audience who will be going to introduce their young children to the Transformers. The first movie has to be one at least somewhat based in nostalgia, just to grab them.

From there you evolve your stories to include new characters, designs and then introduce the new stuff to that audience. Going the other way around to appease toy contracts and Hollywood morons who insist on having creative input and are not familiar with anything other than the bottom line is a huge mistake. You end up with those would be buyers walking out with a disappointed, WTF look on their face and spending their dollars somewhere else.

After over 20 years of waiting, buying and dreaming I think that audience deserves to see that movie.



Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

[CFlash]

Heat.

Michael Bay had nothing to do with Heat.

[skorponok]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.


HOO-HA!!! ANOTHER FAVORITE NEW POSTER!!!:up: :eek:

[skorponok]

Michael Bay had nothing to do with Heat.


Obviously confused with Michael Mann

[Arcturus]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.


I couldn't agree more! I can't wait for the Transformer's Movie to hit the big screen!

[Hunter Rider]

HOO-HA!!! ANOTHER FAVORITE NEW POSTER!!!:up: :eek:
Where's my love:mad:

[In2Minds]

Do you know anything about transformers? Cause, I mean... if you were a fan, I'm pretty sure you would know why people are so hyped about cars.

did any of you see the 1986 movie god i hope they don't use the trnasformer cybersuits for humans like they did then they were rubbish

[CFlash]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

My circles just the opposite I think. None of them follow these forums... and when we hang out you should here them talk about all the iconic things in the original Transformers... "can't wait to see Soundwave and the minions or Bumblebee bla bla bla etc etc"

I look at them and I just smile. I don't have the heart to break all the changes being made to them.

P.S.
I did tell them about Camaro Bumblebee and their reaction was.... well, underwhelming. A couple of "rolling eyes" and then "eh, good luck with that." This movie will have to get glowing reviews (which I don't think a Michael Bay movie ever has) for them to drag their asses to see this movie.

Else... it's a "wait for DVD" thing.

[Hunter Rider]

Lol :D

[In2Minds]

AMEN!:up:

i agree also it doesn't matter what age you are if you like something i say go ahead and enjoy im 16 and i still like G1 so what i couldnt give a damn what other people think as i enjoy transformers, hell I no a 35 year old who cant wait for this movie and even if the cinemas filled with toddlers i shall watch the movie and enjoy it. After all they wouldn't make the movie if they didn't want people to enjoy it.

[Arcturus]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/20050207a8hi.gif

[Hunter Rider]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/20050207a8hi.gif

ROFLMAOhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gifthat made my afternoon:up:

[Denny67]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

I have hard time understand why people on message boards read a post then take the idea of an opinion and argue its viewpoint by taking said opinion and shifting it’s general idea to an extreme, in order to gain footing to base their post on.

So I will reiterate. The gist of my post so some do not have to read “too many words” this time around was:

"The first movie has to be one at least somewhat based in nostalgia."
I have gone back and read my posts again and I just can see to find where I said I or anybody needed a "a literal translation of a pre-existsing story."

When people walk into a Transformers movie they are going to on some level want to reconnect with their childhood. It is not just about seeing a movie with transforming robots. If so they would have called it something else like “Attack of the Alterbots” or something Hollywood like that.

If things are too unfamiliar in a “Transformers movie” movie goers attentions will be focused (no matter how good the movie is) on "this is not the Transformers I remember." "bummer like really liked that robot as a kid."

Now since my friends and I are also part of the demographic and I am a parent of 3, I think my perspective is pretty good as well. Now… I am not a "hardcore" Transformers fan but I do like them. I have a couple busts and I am hyped about the movie but I am do not go seeking toys at conventions, have Transformers wallpaper on my computer or feel I have to buy everything I see Transformers. So on that note I am far for being a Purist or a freak.

I understand that vehicles have changed in the past 20 years and updates will need to be made, there are some limitations to what can be done well at this time, and of course a film maker wants designs that will look good and be picture perfect in a real world environment.

That being said, if too many liberties are taken with “classic characters” (like/in/any/other/film) it will piss people off and the people it will piss off are the people with the money, who grew up with those characters and will display their displeasure, even if it is not a conscious decision by not supporting the movie.
So if you and a few others could care less if all the changes in the world are made that is great. The majority of people who will go to see the movie will be going because it is Transformers. With that label there will be some expectations on what they will see when the movie starts. I guarantee you that the expectations for those over the age of 14 will exceed “WoW! Transforming robots!”

[Denny67]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/20050207a8hi.gif

LMAO that is pretty damn funny.

This is one of the key examples of things I don't mind being changed, just like the Soundwave and a few others. Nobody expects something so small to grow into a “giant robot” outside of the cartoon world.

[Hunter Rider]

LMAO that is pretty damn funny.

This is one of the key examples of things I don't mind being changed, just like the Soundwave and a few others. Nobody expects something so small to grow into a “giant robot” outside of the cartoon world.


My main problem with Megs the Gun was that he requires Starscream or another decepticon to shoot him,not a good thing for a leader IMO
I really hope they use the Tank and not the jet though

[Denny67]

My main problem with Megs the Gun was that he requires Starscream or another decepticon to shoot him,not a good thing for a leader IMO
I really hope they use the Tank and not the jet though

I would not even mind something like Galvatron as a cannon.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Galv_cannon.JPG

He would just need some treads or wheels or something to independently move.

[Hunter Rider]

I would not even mind something like Galvatron as a cannon.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Galv_cannon.JPG

He would just need some treads or wheels or something to independently move.



That could work no doubt:up:

[halfapple]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f10/venom4life/20050207a8hi.gif


LOL - funny stuff!

[CFlash]

I can definately live with Megatron being a tank. In fact, I think it's poetic... as tanks are the ultimate "symbol" of the military (think of that picture of the student protester in Tiannemen Square).

But last we heard, he was "Cybertonian" Jet.... in the movie he doesn't adapt to any Earth vehicle. If that's the case, I think it's a big missed opportunity. I don't see any artistic merit in that decision (other than to make another stupid Independence Day sort of movie).

[ragdus]

Michael Bay had nothing to do with Heat.

Yep my mistake. And my apologies.

[toddly6666]

some more set pics:

OPTIMUS PRIME
http://411ca.org/images/Speicher%20firetruck.JPG

SOUNDWAVE (and yes, he's going to be a large boom box, not a small one according to rumors):
http://www.rsa-radio.de/boombox/BoomBox_01.JPG

CREEPY (new Autobot):
http://creepy.ldeweb.net/blog/images/camping.jpg

ASTROTRAIN:
http://www.math.duke.edu/~blake/troop412/photos/train2.jpg

MEGATRON (in gun mode):
http://www.eagle19.freeserve.co.uk/norm29.jpg

ARCEE (female autobot):
http://sportscar55.tripod.com/jaguar/xk8/xk8_pink_fs.jpg

BUBBA BLACKWELL PRIME (new autobot):
http://www.geocities.com/cyclejumper_2000/Assests/jasonrennie/bubba_chevette.jpg

[Cold2daToucH004]

lol those aren't really set pics are they?

[CFlash]

some more set pics:

OPTIMUS PRIME
http://411ca.org/images/Speicher%20firetruck.JPG

SOUNDWAVE (and yes, he's going to be a large boom box, not a small one according to rumors):
http://www.rsa-radio.de/boombox/BoomBox_01.JPG

Is this a joke?

[spideymusprime]

Wasn't it confirmed that Optimus is going to be a truck? Are those really pics from the set. I doubt that's gonna be Soundwave. LOL

[xwolverine2]

Wtf!? @ Boombox

[DorkyFresh]

i was hoping no one was gullible enough to believe that, haha

[Octoberist]

I'm telling ya, make Soundwave into a helicopter (why not) or a giant sonar/radar thing..

[CFlash]

I'm telling ya, make Soundwave into a helicopter (why not) or a giant sonar/radar thing..

I think an Air Force AWACS (radar surveillance/ communications plane) is the only thing that's super faithful to his character and purpose. But, I dunno.
http://www.cflashsoft.com/temp/awak.jpg

[WormyT]

Ah F%^k is Optimus going to to be a friggen Firetruck!??
I thought it was a joke.
FU&K!!!!!

[jks]

Ah F%^k is Optimus going to to be a friggen Firetruck!??
I thought it was a joke.
FU&K!!!!!Yes, those pics above ARE a joke. Not real.

[zer00]

how could anyone not think that was a joke

[CFlash]

how could anyone not think that was a joke

Hmmm...
Well, I thought Bumblebee being a Camaro was a joke.:mad:
At this point, anything is possible.

[zer00]

suuuuure

[J.Howlett]

Okay, what's the deal about Megatron being an alien jet? Why doesn't the original design (aka The Gun) work for this film?

[skorponok]

i was hoping no one was gullible enough to believe that, haha


Espescially with the giant boombox...:)

[antariksh]

ya **** This Movie **** It

If They Cannot Stay True To The Cartoons Then Damn This Movie To Hell.

And Everyone Involved In It.

[roach]

I am a Transformer fan. I had all the toys(thanks to a friend of my mom who worked at Hasbro..we even tested some of the toys for them). I went to see Transformsers the movie in the thearter. I had tears in my eyes when Optimus died. I think you are asking a lot of a movie if you are forcing it to be a literal translation. Should they not make this movie since Voltswagon doesnt want to let them use a VW bug?????? "it's not faithful to the cartoon?"
Which cartoon should it be faithful to????? G1???? Beast Wars???? Armada???? I have high hopes for this movie and the only thing that will mess with that is the trailer. Rumors and supposed reports dont mean squat to me.

[terry78]

Honestly, anyone who thinks making Megatron a gun for this movie is being quite delusional nostalgic for their own good. That alt mode is the least practical, and don't even get me started on functionality.

[ComicKoryn]

Even when I was little and I watched G1 cartoons, I thought that Megatron turning into a gun was a stretch.

[WormyT]

Yes, those pics above ARE a joke. Not real.
Thank god.
:)

[WormyT]

how could anyone not think that was a joke
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I was very drunk when I saw these picks lastnight :O .
It would be GREAT to see Astrotrain in the movie.
Is optimous a firetruck can anyone confirm?

[Hunter Rider]

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I was very drunk when I saw these picks lastnight :O .
It would be GREAT to see Astrotrain in the movie.
Is optimous a firetruck can anyone confirm?

Apparently that has been debunked

[skorponok]

ya **** This Movie **** It

If They Cannot Stay True To The Cartoons Then Damn This Movie To Hell.

And Everyone Involved In It.


Just shut up already.:down

[Won '08]

Um, AFAIK, in modern street racing circles (New York City anyway), Muscle-cars (i.e 6 cylinder+... like a camaro) are a no-no. The fun is in modifying and souping up 4-cylinder cars. Most of them (all?) are compact sport cars.

Only a jerk (a.k.a. wannabee... a.k.a. douchebag) would think he's cool with a muscle car straight out the lot. You're a real condescending douche bag. I live in NYC and rotate in such circles. No one on the street, especially no where near BK or the Bx "enjoy" 4 cylinders. Everyone out here are in love with the power packing cars and indeed the ricers that look NOTHING like a bug. Stop being a dik.

[JediXAngel]

http://denrick.eqwolf.com/81764.2013.jpg
http://denrick.eqwolf.com/81765.2013.jpg
http://denrick.eqwolf.com/81763.2013.jpg
http://denrick.eqwolf.com/81768.2013.jpg

OMG the Police Car is AWESOME!!!

[zer00]

ya **** This Movie **** It

If They Cannot Stay True To The Cartoons Then Damn This Movie To Hell.

And Everyone Involved In It.

must you be a complete idiot on every forum.

[JediXAngel]

Anybody want some Logos?

http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/9796/transformerspolice9sy.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/961/transformerspoliceicon2dn.jpg

It's the Decepticon Police LOL!

[Kal-El 8]

I can't wait for 2007 .

[CFlash]

You're a real condescending douche bag. I live in NYC and rotate in such circles. No one on the street, especially no where near BK or the Bx "enjoy" 4 cylinders. Everyone out here are in love with the power packing cars and indeed the ricers that look NOTHING like a bug. Stop being a dik.

Brooklyn's very own? Lemme guess... Bensenhurst? Home of the Camaro IROQ guidos.... yeah, you guys are the epitamy of douchebag.

[Hunter Rider]

Brooklyn's very own? Lemme guess... Bensenhurst? Home of the Camaro IROQ guidos.... yeah, you guys are the epitamy of douchebag.

Man you are stepping very close to the line with your racialy inflected posts

[zer00]

Brooklyn's very own? Lemme guess... Bensenhurst? Home of the Camaro IROQ guidos.... yeah, you guys are the epitamy of douchebag.

My god you're a ****ing idiot.

[Wolverini]

To punish and enslave ...


Man , I love that tag-line. Cant wait for that teaser

[Kel]

ya **** This Movie **** It

If They Cannot Stay True To The Cartoons Then Damn This Movie To Hell.

And Everyone Involved In It.

Stop trolling the damn board......



Sorry guys!

[zer00]

you his mother?

[CFlash]

Man you are stepping very close to the line with your racialy inflected posts

There's nothing racial about my post. Why would you say that? Explain.

[Hunter Rider]

There's nothing racial about my post. Why would you say that? Explain.

The Guidos part or the basic stereotyping of ppl who live in that area as all douches

[CFlash]

The Guidos part or the basic stereotyping of ppl who live in that area as all douches

Dude, guidos is not a slur. For instance, http://www.njguido.com/
In fact, I'm a guido.
As for your other point: The Camaro IROQ driving krews that terrorize Bensenhurst and especially outsiders (or at least used to) are... well, I already said it. Have you been there??? If not, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say ALL of Bensenhurst. But, yeah, the crews over there are, well, let's just say "not friendly."

[Hunter Rider]

Dude, guidos is not a slur. For instance, http://www.njguido.com/
In fact, I'm a guido.
As for your other point: The Camaro IROQ driving krews that terrorize Bensenhurst and especially outsiders (or at least used to) are... well, I already said it. Have you been there??? If not, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I stand corrected on the Guidos part but i don't have to be there to realise that you can't sweepingly declare every person in that area who likes Camaros a douchebag b/c you don't like them or have had some issue with some of them

[CFlash]

I stand corrected on the Guidos part but i don't have to be there to realise that you can't sweepingly declare every person in that area who likes Camaros a douchebag b/c you don't like them or have had some issue with some of them

I didn't say ALL of Bensonhurst. But, yeah, the crews over there are, well, let's just say "not friendly." It just so happens that the crews cars of choice (in a big way) are Camaros... (and pimped up obnoxious Mustangs nowadays with the broken thunder muffler and the whole nine).

[Golgo-13]

Who the hell is the Decepticon Police car? I don't remember a Decepticon squad car.:confused:. This could ultimately mean that Prowl is not in the movie, as two squad cars in the movie is unlikely.

[JamalYIgle]

That camaro is supposed to be Bumblebee.
He doesn't look like Bumblebee to me in any sense.

He got an "extreme makeover"
What are they supposed to do. Volkswagon won't let them us the Bug or the Beetle, they have to get with the program.

[CFlash]

What are they supposed to do. Volkswagon won't let them us the Bug or the Beetle, they have to get with the program.

There are lots of other possibilities without going the muscle-car hot-rod route. Like below... but also Yaris, Mini-cooper, Scion... etc all make small sporty cars that would be faithful to Bumblebee. A Camaro muscle-car is not (IMHO).

small sport- but not a muscle-car.

http://cflashsoft.com/temp/aveoxtreme04.jpg

There are many others.

[Hunter Rider]

I respect your opinion on it but personally i much prefer the Camaro they chose than seeing that type of car on screen in a prominent role

[ragdus]

are you still crying about that flash? no wonder your daughter was so god damn angsty about godzilla's makeover. at least she had the good sense to just leave the room and not sit around for days on end *****ing about it.

[Cold2daToucH004]

I think that if they come out with posters for each character, they should make them holographic.
They already said something about that over at aint it cool news.

I have to say though, I agree with flash. There are tons of other cars that would have been better in the roll of bumble bee. They wanted to go for an old, beat up look. But they could have done much better then an old camero. I'm not holding a grudge about it though. When tickets go on sale I'll be first in line. I'm just upset with the decision they made.

[The Question]

i seem to recall a few action packed and popcorny flicks that did fairly well in the box office....they're called Pirates of the Caribbean, X-Men 3, and Chronicles of Narnia. also...these movies might not've been big at the box office but everyone i know who saw the movie actually liked Underworld (both of them) and Mr. & Mrs. Smith...


They were action packed, but they weren't completely mindless. X3 and Narnia had a good deal of depth. And Pirates and Mr. and Mrs. Smith were at least inteligently written.



Also, as for Soundwave, he should be a big ass sound/comunications system.

[DorkyFresh]

They were action packed, but they weren't completely mindless. X3 and Narnia had a good deal of depth. And Pirates and Mr. and Mrs. Smith were at least inteligently written.
x3 and narnia had good depht?



i barely cared for who lived and who died in those movies...

[antariksh]

x3 and narnia had good depht?



i barely cared for who lived and who died in those movies...

X3-yes
narnia- I don't know

[The Question]

x3 and narnia had good depht?



i barely cared for who lived and who died in those movies...



That doesn't mean they lacked any real depth. Alot of the themes in X3 were quite deep. Anyway, they were far from mindless action films.

[DorkyFresh]

That doesn't mean they lacked any real depth. Alot of the themes in X3 were quite deep. Anyway, they were far from mindless action films.
in my opinion....they were. i didn't carry anything away from those movies. i didn't get any underlying meanings...all i got was eyecandy.


but this isn't about X3 or Narnia, this is Transformers. i don't want this thread getting too off course so if you'd like to discuss those 2 movies...please PM me.

[terry78]

On the one hand, you need depth for the characters, as a lot of the themes stem around loyalty, betrayal, humanity, hatred, and what not. But on the other, you don't want it to be a snore fest either, with nothing but dialogue and talking heads.

[The Question]

in my opinion....they were. i didn't carry anything away from those movies. i didn't get any underlying meanings...all i got was eyecandy.

Well, the depth was there.

but this isn't about X3 or Narnia, this is Transformers. i don't want this thread getting too off course so if you'd like to discuss those 2 movies...please PM me.

I won't. My point here is thus: Transformers shouldn't be a mindless action movie. Mainly because, if something is mindless, it tends to be, well, stupid. Stupid, in my experience, is quite bad.

[DorkyFresh]

Well, the depth was there.
i know that's your opinion.....and once again, mine is that it had the depth of a puddle.

[CFlash]

i know that's your opinion.....and once again, mine is that it had the depth of a puddle.

Well, X3 tackled many current-day issues... and posed many questions in grey make-up-your-own-mind sort of ways... It was by no means mindless. I'm not saying X3 was a great movie (I know the debate is heated), but it definately was not mindless.

Comparing the highly well-written movies we've seen in the last few years (yes, Pirates was suprisingly well-written AND well-acted) to the mindless schlock of the mid to late 90's (Armaggedon, Independence Day) is insane. Case-in-point--- Pearl Harbor was a monstrously badly written and badly executed movie whose only saving grace was the great visuals.

Will the same be true of Transformers? Despite being a children's cartoon, Transformers had a solid theme of environmental protection and energy issues (even more relevant today!). Based on the script reviews I'm not sure if this movie has those same "heady" themes. It's a shame if it doesn't. It may just turn out to be eye candy... I don't know

[DorkyFresh]

x3 didn't TACKLE those issues...it TOUCHED up on those issues. those issues weren't the main focus of the movie...they were thrown in there so that the story makes a minimal amount of sense...

...but i agree about the Transformer's cartoon having positive themes. i hope they are talked about in the movie, but even if they aren't that won't disappoint me. those positive themes aren't the main reason why people watch Transformers. i know they're not the main reason i watch them...

[The Question]

i know that's your opinion.....and once again, mine is that it had the depth of a puddle.


I don't really think depth is something one can leave up to opinion. One may have not noticed any depth in it's themes, but it's either there or it isn't. Now, weather the movie is good or not tends to be a matter of opinion.

[DorkyFresh]

a movie's depth CAN be a matter of opinion.....in my opinion.

[The Kid]

I really hate shia for some reason.

[muscaremy]

so is it me or is anthony anderson in this now

[zer00]

x3 and narnia had good depht?



i barely cared for who lived and who died in those movies...

different strokes to move the world


so a fully built Bumblebee?!

some one must take pic of this

[ComicKoryn]

personally, if a movie can have me wondering if I would join the side everyone deems as "bad" in a movie, I consider it to have at least some level of depth. X3 was thought provoking enough in my book to be put in the category of having some depth. While it may have had more action than character developement, we can't forget that this movie is based off of a comic book (a medium that, in the mainstream, cannot survive without at least one action scene wedged in the panels).

I have faith that Transformers will have depth, I think Micheal Bay is getting better at that (especially after seeing the island).

[Hypestyle]

is it me, or is that Anthony Anderson in some of these latest set pictures?

[toddly6666]

Anthony Anderson selling some Transformers at a car dealership!!!!!
http://www.unreel.co.uk/reviews/c/Cradle_2_the_Grave/co2.jpg

[The Kid]

is that from the movie or from one of those barbershop movies.

[MJB]

I don't know about that. Audiences seem weary of the mindless blockbuster nowadays. The lackluster performance of MI3 I think is evidence of that. Not to mention Bay's last movie The Island.

Bad word of mouth will definately kill this movie.... or at least temper its success. Alienating the fans will rob the movie of repeat viewers (For instance, I usually see these comic movies twice.... once with my friends and once with my fiance--- IF it's good). And if the movie doesn't appeal to the majority of Gen-X that remember things like Bumblebee Bug and Soundwave being Soundwave.... it also robs the "take your kids" factor.

No way, I'm taking my daughter to see a bastardized Transformers.... there would be ZERO "bonding experience" for me to do so. Plus, I'm sure Disney or whatever will have a suitable alternative to take my daughter to.

What could have been a 500 Million+ domestic box office take.... just suddenly became 275 Million (and that's being generous!). Sure it might make its money back.... but in no way will it be a classic.

I really wish this movie endouvered to be a classic.

Um why do people expect transformers to rake in 500 million domestically? I'm not saying you think it will or nor am i singling you out, but going by your post and others i just have to point out that even if the script is kick ass and the movie delivered on all levels, it still isn't going to rake in 500 million domestically. The transformers are not on that level of popularity. The Transformers movie is going to need more then Gen X males to make it a success. After all we were the target audience for the cartoon. Not one girl i knew as a kid watched the transformers or wanted the toys. I think the demographic is going to consist of Gen x males 25-40 who were fans of the show, the kids of the older gen X males will be taken along, probably some gen X females, and Gen Y males 10-24, and gen y females that are taken along by their boyfreinds and small percentage of females that are interested in the movie. No doubt the Transformers will make money, but i'll say between 200-275 max domestically.

[MJB]

Changing Bumblebee from a compact car to a hot rod camero makes no sense. Even if the film could get the clearence from VW their are alternatives that are just as nice as the bug, in fact better. Toyota's Yaris or whatever line of small cars, as well as Honda, the Mini Cooper. I'm not going to ****** about it, cause i don't care aboutthe transformers enough to get upset. i loved the show, but it's not the same to me like changing Xmen characters.

Also what are they doing to Soundwave? What's is he going to be? Also include Blaster in that mix. I believe those two transformed into Boomboxes did they not? Which are dated now.

[MJB]

Being a member of that demographic along with all my friends, having two other brothers in that demographic along with all their friends, and having two young nephews now fans of transformers along with all their friends, I feel confident in saying that you're totally missing the mark.

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.

I know boatloads of people that are pumped to go see this movie, and not a single one of them is going to shy away or refuse to take their kid because Optimus might be blue or a fire truck.

Well spoken! truth be told i don't even remember all the transformers name. Yeah i want them to be faithful enough, but i'm not going to boycott the movie because Bumblebee is now a camero, but Starscream better be a Jet and ******y and whiny. The main Transformers I remember is OP, Megatron, Starscream, Jazz, Bumblebee, Soundwave, The Constructicons(have no idea their names) and Blaster.

[CFlash]

Um why do people expect transformers to rake in 500 million domestically? I'm not saying you think it will or nor am i singling you out, but going by your post and others i just have to point out that even if the script is kick ass and the movie delivered on all levels, it still isn't going to rake in 500 million domestically. The transformers are not on that level of popularity. The Transformers movie is going to need more then Gen X males to make it a success. After all we were the target audience for the cartoon. Not one girl i knew as a kid watched the transformers or wanted the toys. I think the demographic is going to consist of Gen x males 25-40 who were fans of the show, the kids of the older gen X males will be taken along, probably some gen X females, and Gen Y males 10-24, and gen y females that are taken along by their boyfreinds and small percentage of females that are interested in the movie. No doubt the Transformers will make money, but i'll say between 200-275 max domestically.

I agree with you in terms of box office take. If the first X-Men movie didn't break 200 mil domestically (it didn't) I doubt Transformers would either.

But, the potential is there. I'd argue that Transformers (for a time) was bigger than X-Men ever was (which for a long long time was *just* a popular 80's comic book... and only a cartoon in the 90's) whereas Transformers had the holy trinity of Cartoon + Comic + Toys going on.

Another factor to consider is that this is "Michael Bay" and Steven Spielberg. I'm not confident that Bay is the "star" director he was in the 90's (his star has fallen).... but Steven Spielberg even as "Producer" has a very good track record.

Who knows? I think you're probably right though.

[DorkyFresh]

Toyota's Yaris or whatever line of small cars, as well as Honda, the Mini Cooper.
Yaris didn't come out until recently and they've been working on pre-production (concepts, etc.) for a while. considering they needed to start shooting a few weeks ago, i don't think they had time to conceptually make Bumblebee a Yaris. as for the mini-cooper, it's already a trademark for the Italian Job and the sequel, the Brazillian Job.

Bumblebee being a Camaro serves the story since he's supposed to be a ride that a young dude would actually want to drive (Sam ends up unknowingly buying a Transformer for his first car) instead of a VW Beetle (that has it's very own pot for holding flowers and plants).

[Cold2daToucH004]

People, stop posting fake pictures from the movie here. Your ruining this thread and confusing people.

Keep this thread clean and spam free. I want to have a good, set pictures thread.

[CFlash]

Bumblebee being a Camaro serves the story since he's supposed to be a ride that a young dude would actually want to drive (Sam ends up unknowingly buying a Transformer for his first car) instead of a VW Beetle (that has it's very own pot for holding flowers and plants).

Might be due to where you grow up, I guess. As a teenager, I never "wanted" a Camaro or any muscle car for that matter. They always seemed trite... like you're "trying to hard" to be cool. I always thought Camaros and muscle-cars in general were best left to the Andrew Dice Clay types.

[edit] I'm not saying muscle-cars aren't worth getting. Maybe as a hobby if you're a car lover or something. But as a teenager? I dunno.

[DorkyFresh]

well as a teen i always wanted the cooler looking cars. for me, it wasn't about BEING cool, it's about OWNING something cool. i'm a very visual person and i like 'cool' looking cars. my want for a 'cool' looking car almost gets in the way of me wanting a GOOD car hehe...

[Hunter Rider]

well as a teen i always wanted the cooler looking cars. for me, it wasn't about BEING cool, it's about OWNING something cool. i'm a very visual person and i like 'cool' looking cars. my want for a 'cool' looking car almost gets in the way of me wanting a GOOD car hehe...

Same here, i live in a basic blue collar town and when i was a kid we all wanted something sporty in the affordable range like a Escort XR3 which is the UK equivalent of the Mustang,i can;t remember any of the guys wanting hatchbacks like Golfs or Fiesta's

[WalkingDead]

Might be due to where you grow up, I guess. As a teenager, I never "wanted" a Camaro or any muscle car for that matter. They always seemed trite... like you're "trying to hard" to be cool. I always thought Camaros and muscle-cars in general were best left to the Andrew Dice Clay types.

[edit] I'm not saying muscle-cars aren't worth getting. Maybe as a hobby if you're a car lover or something. But as a teenager? I dunno.

I'm sorry that Bumblebee as a Camero is such a hard issue for you. You'll probably never be able to get over the fact he's changed like this. You put it down and complain about it in a lot of threads. Not saying you don't have a valid reason to complain...it seems to be the biggest issue you have with the movie...and everyone is entitled to complain about things that seem warrented to them. I just hope you can eventually get over this, if the movie is indeed a great movie with good TF characterization.


And maybe where you grew up it wasn't the "in" thing to get muscle cars. But in a lot of places it is. Getting a nice, hard-edge muscle car was awesome when I was in school. And a lot of people I know from different areas, it was the same...I think that aspect of muscle cars as the young "in" thing will be something a lot of people will relate to. Which is great IMO, if it really does equate to something young men can identify with.

[CFlash]

Well, call me a hippie. And I think I made a very point concerning why Bumblebee was who he was and why a gas-guzzling 8cyl monster car is not faithful. If you think the "cool" factor outweighs this original underpinning of Bumblebee's character that's fine too. I just think this should be a sc-fi movie with things to teach.... not a "Fast and Furious" rip-off that glorifies the shallower aspects of our society.

[y2jversion1]

The ONLY people who are going to ***** are the absolute purists who demand nothing short of a literal translation of a pre-existsing story. All those people I mentioned above are huge fans of Transformers because they were/are fun, exciting, and captivating. Larger than life. More than meets the eye.

There are tons of ways that theme can be accomplished without having to retell to an exacting degree an old story. Beast Wars proved that.


The Beastwars/Machines series was awesome, even though I was still disappointed with the transformation in Machines. Overall though, the storylines were more cohesive and more 'serious'. I'm a huge G1 fan and while it's always fun to watch the dvd's of the show as well as the movie over 100 times ( 2 times again just this weekend...yea I pretty much know the script/dialogue by heart..) - series-wise, BW was better scripted.

As long as they don't 'pussify' the TF's like they did with Robots In Disguise (I still can't beleive I saw a sweat drop on the Viper while it was in vehicle mode...geez) I'm sure this movie will be awesome for all the different generations of fans of the TF universe - except the 'purists' like ragdus said..

[WalkingDead]

Well, call me a hippie. And I think I made a very point concerning why Bumblebee was who he was and why a gas-guzzling 8cyl monster car is not faithful. If you think the "cool" factor outweighs this original underpinning of Bumblebee's character that's fine too. I just think this should be a sc-fi movie with things to teach.... not a "Fast and Furious" rip-off that glorifies the shallower aspects of our society.

I love how you do that...
Anyhoo...your a fan of Bumblebee...that is why you care so much for what they do with him. Just like those who are huge Starscream fans, they care what happens to him.

But think about this...if Bumblebee is still characterized as a young, eager Autobot who wants to prove himself to the older Autobots and really tries hard...then he's still BB. He's still the very core of what makes Bumblebee, Bumblebee. Just his alt. mode is different. If he still acts like the BB we all know, then I'm sorry but his car form won't make or break who BB really is...it's his individual personal traits and ideals that make him Bumblebee. His car mode only added certain things too that, but his personality and character tastes are what made him BB.

And before you go on and on abotu how Bumblebee wasn't a gas-guzzeler or something...Bumblebee wasn't fuel efficient cause he was a Beetle...he was because of his robotic design, it made him more fuel-efficient. He naturally used less fuel to accomplish things.

[CFlash]

I love how you do that...
Anyhoo...your a fan of Bumblebee...that is why you care so much for what they do with him. Just like those who are huge Starscream fans, they care what happens to him.

But think about this...if Bumblebee is still characterized as a young, eager Autobot who wants to prove himself to the older Autobots and really tries hard...then he's still BB. He's still the very core of what makes Bumblebee, Bumblebee. Just his alt. mode is different. If he still acts like the BB we all know, then I'm sorry but his car form won't make or break who BB really is...it's his individual personal traits and ideals that make him Bumblebee. His car mode only added certain things too that, but his personality and character tastes are what made him BB.

And before you go on and on abotu how Bumblebee wasn't a gas-guzzeler or something...Bumblebee wasn't fuel efficient cause he was a Beetle...he was because of his robotic design, it made him more fuel-efficient. He naturally used less fuel to accomplish things.

Quite right. But his alt-mode was symbolic of this design wouldn't you agree? The original writers could have chosen from a gazillion cars "popular" at the time to characterize their "main" introductory character.

What do you think this movie will be "about?" Are you OK with this movie abandoning the themes of the original Transformers? It's not like those themes are outdated. In fact, they're more important today... many times over.

[ragdus]

And they would have chose a god damn bug for this film too, but VW wouldn't let them!!!!!

So after that's taken away, what difference does it really make. If he CAN'T be a beetle, then so what?

[CFlash]

And they would have chose a god damn bug for this film too, but VW wouldn't let them!!!!!

So after that's taken away, what difference does it really make. If he CAN'T be a beetle, then so what?

I actually would have preferred a Mini-cooper over a Beetle... even if VW had given permission. It's not about him being a Beetle and only a beetle (as I already explained... but which you can't seem to bring an argument against). It's about him not being a muscle car. Stop using the VW excuse.

[WalkingDead]

Quite right. But his alt-mode was symbolic of this design wouldn't you agree? The original writers could have chosen from a gazillion cars "popular" at the time to characterize their "main" introductory character.

What do you think this movie will be "about?" Are you OK with this movie abandoning the themes of the original Transformers? It's not like those themes are outdated. In fact, they're more important today... many times over.

Sure, Bob Budiansky (the guy who wrote all the first 3 year Tech Specs and was the major writer for the first years of the comics) could have made any of the Minibots have Bumblebee's personality...just like how Sideswipe & Sunstreaker were reversed at the last minute and how Hound & Mirage flip-flopped as well. But remember, Bob Bub didn't have a choice on which TF's got which alt. modes, those were already decided on from Japan.

And this movie DOES NOT abadon the original themes of Transformers.
The original themes of TF's were:

War of the Autobots vs. Decepticons (good vs. evil to make it more Black & White)
The Quest for Energy/Energon
The Quest for a form of the Matrix
Robots being disguised on Earth as ordinary machinery
Autobots protecting Sentient Life, Decepticons believe in Survival of the Fittest/Destroying the WeakAt the VERY MOST, all changing Bumblebee's alt. mode does is change a theme of one single character. And even then, it barely changes who BB is, cause if Bumblebee is still eager, still friendly, and still a hard-worker...then he's Bumblebee to the core.

[blind_fury]

why don't we make Optimus Prime an Ice Cream truck while were at it?

[CFlash]

And this movie DOES NOT abadon the original themes of Transformers.
The original themes of TF's were:
<superficial obviousness deleted>

Transformers had a strong overriding theme of preventing destruction of Earth's natural environment and depleting its natural resources (by turning its raw resources into either Energon or materials for the Decepticons).

It's theme was directly influenced by the energy crisis of the late 70's. What's funny, is that the problem is way more pronounced today (rolling backouts on the west coast, soaring energy prices... wars for oil in Kuwait and Iraq), global warming, a gazillion hurricanes in last years storm season, etc etc.

Everything else you mentioned is pretty much what any story of conflict is about (good vs evil... duh!).

[terry78]

^Now that wouldn't be a bad idea. He can serve frosty delights to the kids on a hot day.

[blind_fury]

Not funny. :down

[WalkingDead]

Transformers had a strong overriding theme of preventing destruction of Earth's natural environment and depleting its natural resources (by turning its raw resources into either Energon or materials for the Decepticons).

It's theme was directly influenced by the energy crisis of the late 70's. What's funny, is that the problem is way more pronounced today (rolling backouts on the west coast, soaring energy prices... wars for oil in Kuwait and Iraq), global warming, a gazillion hurricanes in last years storm season, etc etc.

Everything else you mentioned is pretty much what any story of conflict is about (good vs evil... duh!).
Great job of completely skipping over my point...I know those themes were/are obvious, but those were/are the themes of all of Transformers.

My point was to talk about how much changing Bumblebee's alt. mode affects the whole of Transformers. But I don't think we're gonna get anywhere with this...so I guess we're done here.

[CFlash]

Great job of completely skipping over my point...I know those themes were/are obvious, but those were/are the themes of all of Transformers.

My point was to talk about how much changing Bumblebee's alt. mode affects the whole of Transformers. But I don't think we're gonna get anywhere with this...so I guess we're done here.

What point did you make? You stated authoritively that Transformers is about THIS: x and x and x... and I said that- in regards to BUMBLEBEE- it was about more than that.

You skip over MY point.... that the MAIN character of Transformers- the human liason, the one kids could identify with... was written to be a certain way and to REPRESENT the underlying theme of the story.

A theme you completely ignore.

And yes his alt-mode was symbolic of this theme!

They did not pick one of the hot-rod autobots as the main face of Transformers. The writers EASILY could have picked Cliffjumper to be the main face of Transformers. Or Prowl or Wheeljack or the super hot-rod Lamborghini.... No, they picked Bumblebee.

That's all I'm saying.

[WalkingDead]

What point did you make? You stated authoritively that Transformers is about THIS: x and x and x... and I said that- in regards to BUMBLEBEE- it was about more than that.

You skip over MY point.... that the MAIN character of Transformers- the human liason, the one kids could identify with... was written to be a certain way and to REPRESENT the underlying theme of the story.

A theme you completely ignore.

And yes his alt-mode was symbolic of this theme!

They did not pick one of the hot-rod autobots as the main face of Transformers. The writers EASILY could have picked Cliffjumper to be the main face of Transformers. Or Prowl or Wheeljack or the super hot-rod Lamborghini.... No, they picked Bumblebee.

That's all I'm saying.
My point was that changing BB's Alt. Mode, does NOTHING to change the themes of Transformers....NOTHING at all as a whole...Basically, your point is...Transformers is about conservation, saving the world, not destroying the resources of the world and Bumblebee gave kids a way to see into the TF world by being the human liason. This is then the big theme you are referring to. Okay sure...I think that is a valid theme, but from my experience...most people this theme is nothing to them, when compared to the other themes I listed. BB being a camero can reflect this theme and be a character people can still relate to, particular kids to this day too. Also the theme about saving the resources and not destroying the world can be in there with just as much devotion and care as before if not more. Just because the human liason gets a new alt. mode won't change all those factors, not if the writers/producers/director want that theme in the movie.

I get what your saying, but Bumblebee was never the real face of Transformers...Prime always was and still is as the most-recognized TF around by a long shot.

[ComicKoryn]

I think what's happening is that CFlash really just wants a very direct interpretation of G1 Transformers. I don't personally get it, but to each his own.

This movie is about the "Transformers." At it's heart, it's about Robots that Transform. It is also about the battle between good and evil. That theme has gone on to define all the transformers shows/comic books. This is a movie that centers on those themes, not the first season of the original show. There are things that they are being faithful too (just like a lot of the shows have been), and some things that they aren't. As long as they get the general idea down, it's still the same Transformers.

Also, VW wont let them use a Bug for their movie. Sure, a mini-cooper could've been used, but they chose a muscle car. It's hardly the end of the cinematic world, and I really think it's getting old when people complain about it.

[CFlash]

Let BB be a Camaro. Most of the people that actually find this offensive and/or inane are no longer even in these forums if ever. Man, come to think of it, WalkingDead and ComicKoryn have made me see the light. Transformers really was a stupid, shallow show with very little subtext.

"Good vs evil" and "robots that transform" is the central theme. How could I have missed that?

:rolleyes:

[ragdus]

then why don't you harp on the things of substance and get over this bumblebee/camaro fixation?

i'd really rather hear a debate that has depth anyway, and I agree with you that there is a lot of depth to the story line. but this camaro thing, oy vey

[CFlash]

then why don't you harp on the things of substance and get over this bumblebee/camaro fixation?

i'd really rather hear a debate that has depth anyway, and I agree with you that there is a lot of depth to the story line. but this camaro thing, oy vey

Oy vey indeed. Substance? Like the jokers upset that Cullen and Welker aren't doing the voices? Is that substance to you guys?

The Camaro debate IS about substance. That you don't see it... or missed the point of Transformers 84-87, speaks loads.

[Hunter Rider]

The character of Bumblebee may well still be intact we don't know this yet
Being a Camaro does not alter his personality at all

As for the story it's gonna centre on out first meeting with the TF and an explanation of why they are on earth and what the war was about on Cybertron as well as how the military react to them
that's a lot for an origin movie

[ragdus]

That you don't see it... or missed the point of Transformers 84-87, speaks loads.

The point of 84-87 isn't that Bumblebee was a Beetle, I guarantee you that. And if you'd pull your head out of the sand for a sec I said I agreed with you about emphasizing the more important and relevant plot points of 84-87.

you can't even let someone agree with you...

[WalkingDead]

Let BB be a Camaro. Most of the people that actually find this offensive and/or inane are no longer even in these forums if ever. Man, come to think of it, WalkingDead and ComicKoryn have made me see the light. Transformers really was a stupid, shallow show with very little subtext.

"Good vs evil" and "robots that transform" is the central theme. How could I have missed that?

:rolleyes:
F***ing'a...man...when did I ever say TF's never had substance? When? Do you think I'd be such a huge fan, and know and follow TF's for years if it was just cause I like to see robots fight? That's stupid. I love TF's for a lot more than robots beating the crap outta each other, to me that's just icing on the freaking cake.

And did you not read???...I said you made a valid point. Jeez. My point was at it's base Transformers is not remembered for important subtext and substance at all...it's remember for the 5 points I said.

You've just taken this "Bumblebee is a Camero so all of the entire themes of Transformers is being ignored and everything about what makes TF's great is being shoved away just because BB can't be a small compact car" really far man. That is ridiculous, that is what I've been saying to you. Your point of not destroying the world is valid and was a subtext of TF's, and has been from the start. But you go on and on about how the fact Bumblebee can't be understood or relatable just because he's got a new muscle car for an alt. mode. I'm sorry but that's crap. BB can still be the human liason who is relatable and who shows humans what the Autobots are all about. He can still be the friendly buddy-to-everyone who always tries hard and pushes to prove himself to Prowl, Prime, Jazz, Wheeljack, and the other older, more experienced 'bots.

[Won '08]

Brooklyn's very own? Lemme guess... Bensenhurst? Home of the Camaro IROQ guidos.... yeah, you guys are the epitamy of douchebag. I think you meant BENSONHURST kid. and I'm from Flatbush and live in Bed-Stuy. I suggest not assuming things about people you don't know. Especially grown ass men. Step off douche.

[Won '08]

this guy claims he's from nyc and he can't even spell "Bensonhurst" lol. What a joke.

I saw a few of the art snippets from the Movie forums. I'm a bit concerned about Optimus' colors...anyone got any confirmation on that?

[Won '08]

this guy claims he's from nyc and he can't even spell "Bensonhurst" lol. What a joke.

I saw a few of the art snippets from the Movie forums. I'm a bit concerned about Optimus' colors...anyone got any confirmation on that?

[CFlash]

I think you meant BENSONHURST kid. and I'm from Flatbush and live in Bed-Stuy. I suggest not assuming things about people you don't know. Especially grown ass men. Step off douche.

this guy claims he's from nyc and he can't even spell "Bensonhurst" lol. What a joke.

Yah... NYC... as in Manhattan. Where you bridge & tunnel folks come to have fun. Big deal I misspelled Bensonhurst in one post and spelled it correctly in another. I grew up in Bushwick and I don't even know if that's how you spell it..... who gives a f*.

I saw a few of the art snippets from the Movie forums. I'm a bit concerned about Optimus' colors...anyone got any confirmation on that?

Oh yea... Prime's colors!... now that's SUBSTANCE.

[CFlash]

F***ing'a...man...when did I ever say TF's never had substance? When? Do you think I'd be such a huge fan, and know and follow TF's for years if it was just cause I like to see robots fight? That's stupid. I love TF's for a lot more than robots beating the crap outta each other, to me that's just icing on the freaking cake.

And did you not read???...I said you made a valid point. Jeez. My point was at it's base Transformers is not remembered for important subtext and substance at all...it's remember for the 5 points I said.

You've just taken this "Bumblebee is a Camero so all of the entire themes of Transformers is being ignored and everything about what makes TF's great is being shoved away just because BB can't be a small compact car" really far man. That is ridiculous, that is what I've been saying to you. Your point of not destroying the world is valid and was a subtext of TF's, and has been from the start. But you go on and on about how the fact Bumblebee can't be understood or relatable just because he's got a new muscle car for an alt. mode. I'm sorry but that's crap. BB can still be the human liason who is relatable and who shows humans what the Autobots are all about. He can still be the friendly buddy-to-everyone who always tries hard and pushes to prove himself to Prowl, Prime, Jazz, Wheeljack, and the other older, more experienced 'bots.

I capitulate.
Apparently I'm the only idiot that cares about Bumblebee, who I saw as the main symbol (alt mode included) of the literary subtext of Transformers. Yah, the hot-rod BB thing is a huge slap. But, times do change... that subtext isn't relevant nowadays (is it?) and nobody cares about it anyway (not here anyway).

Let's move on to discussing more substantive deeper things. Like Optimus' colors and whether or not he wears a faceplace.

[WalkingDead]

I capitulate.
Apparently I'm the only idiot that cares about Bumblebee, who I saw as the main symbol (alt mode included) of the literary subtext of Transformers. Yah, the hot-rod BB thing is a huge slap. But, times do change... that subtext isn't relevant nowadays (is it?) and nobody cares about it anyway (not here anyway).

Let's move on to discussing more substantive deeper things. Like Optimus' colors and whether or not he wears a faceplace.
Jesus...
Listen, I'm not trying to say you can't care for Bumblebee...you have every right to. I love the little guy for being the weak, inexperienced guy who never wanted to give up and was everyone's pal (and that to me is who Bumblebee is, not his alt. mode).

My whole thing was that you kept saying changing BB's alt. mode is basically changing the core themes of TF's, when it really doesn't...it only changes the theme of BB himself to a point, but even then...almost all of BB's character arcs, themes, ideals, and personal traits can still be carried over to this new incarnation of Transformers...including him being the human liason and being a voice/persona for kids to follow the TF story.


The one subtext you're thinking of, might not be present in the movie...but I'll bet it will be and I'll bet Bumblebee, camero and all, will be one of the 'bots that shows that subtext you care so much for. That has been my point this whole time...that just because he's a camero, doesn't mean those subtexts and substances you care so much for won't be present. I bet you almost all of them will be.

What about the subtext of preserving life, even if it is inferior or weak? That is another huge subtext of Transformers...one that I always identified with...helping other and even saving them when you can. I bet that will still be in movie, and probably still shown through the conflict of Optimus Prime and Megatron.

[CFlash]

Jesus...
Listen, I'm not trying to say you can't care for Bumblebee...you have every right to. I love the little guy for being the weak, inexperienced guy who never wanted to give up and was everyone's pal (and that to me is who Bumblebee is, not his alt. mode).

My whole thing was that you kept saying changing BB's alt. mode is basically changing the core themes of TF's, when it really doesn't...it only changes the theme of BB himself to a point, but even then...almost all of BB's character arcs, themes, ideals, and personal traits can still be carried over to this new incarnation of Transformers...including him being the human liason and being a voice/persona for kids to follow the TF story.


The one subtext you're thinking of, might not be present in the movie...but I'll bet it will be and I'll bet Bumblebee, camero and all, will be one of the 'bots that shows that subtext you care so much for. That has been my point this whole time...that just because he's a camero, doesn't mean those subtexts and substances you care so much for won't be present. I bet you almost all of them will be.

What about the subtext of preserving life, even if it is inferior or weak? That is another huge subtext of Transformers...one that I always identified with...helping other and even saving them when you can. I bet that will still be in movie, and probably still shown through the conflict of Optimus Prime and Megatron.


Let's forget about BB. OK?

WalkingDead... I'm not trying to be combative.... but, "Preserving life" or "good vs evil" is not a literary subtext of TF. It is one of the subjects of Transformers (and pretty much every cartoon ever). There is a difference.

1)TF was not a commentary on humans hunting weaker animals just because they are weak.
2) The Decepticons weren't here for the express purpose of killing humans. They couldn't care less about humans.

Why were they here again?... on Earth? To do what?

[Amphibatheatre]

Will the same be true of Transformers? Despite being a children's cartoon, Transformers had a solid theme of environmental protection and energy issues (even more relevant today!). Based on the script reviews I'm not sure if this movie has those same "heady" themes. It's a shame if it doesn't. It may just turn out to be eye candy... I don't know

Heady themes...Transformers? Transformers was, is and always will be a series of scavenged robot figures from different companies forced together into a flimsy mythology constructed around them and not inspired by them and then mass marketed to kids. Optimus Prime and the original series bots died in the 86' movie not because the writers were aiming for a more adult story with lasting themes but because the toy company had a new series of toys to usher in and sell. It has always been an advertisemnt for toys. It has always been eye candy. That is why Michael Bay is an inspired choice for this film. His whole career is based around cool car chases, eye candy, explosions and huge budgeted F/X driven summer blockbusters. Which is exactly what a live-action transformers movie should be. Heady themes?!....Jesus wept and then transfomed into a manger.

Transfomer purists may well be the most delusional fanboys the internet has produced in some time.

[Hunter Rider]

some set pics of a car chase they are filming

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9430/162405461d67ba041e4lc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

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http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1171/1624054679929fe61df1ia.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8678/162409339cc79df5ebe3ai.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6726/162409351dcaf716ca78nd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

[WalkingDead]

Let's forget about BB. OK?

WalkingDead... I'm not trying to be combative.... but, "Preserving life" or "good vs evil" is not a literary subtext of TF. It is one of the subjects of Transformers (and pretty much every cartoon ever). There is a difference.

1)TF was not a commentary on humans hunting weaker animals just because they are weak.
2) The Decepticons weren't here for the express purpose of killing humans. They couldn't care less about humans.

Why were they here again?... on Earth? To do what?

Okay, sure I'll give you that...

But also remember this, 90% of people (my guess) that will see thsi movie will NOT care, think about, or remember any literary subtext of Transformers. They will only care about robots fighting, good action, cool characters, and the toys.

While I think the subtexts and subjects of Transformers will all be there in some form or another, they will not be what draws most people in. Most people won't care as long as it has cool robot scenes, good action, and decent acting. I hope you can understand that, because it's really the truth. People aren't gonna get worked up over those deeper themes.

It's all about the marketing, toys, and selling products but doing it with a nice movie that will showcase cool robots and awesome fights.



EDIT: Note -- This isn't all that I want out of the movie...but I know that most people just don't care about deeper meanings with Transformers, and in all honesty, why should they? It was just a cartoon, toyline, comic from the 80's to most people...why should they look for something deeper in that?

[CFlash]

Okay, sure I'll give you that...

But also remember this, 90% of people (my guess) that will see thsi movie will NOT care, think about, or remember any literary subtext of Transformers. They will only care about robots fighting, good action, cool characters, and the toys.

While I think the subtexts and subjects of Transformers will all be there in some form or another, they will not be what draws most people in. Most people won't care as long as it has cool robot scenes, good action, and decent acting. I hope you can understand that, because it's really the truth. People aren't gonna get worked up over those deeper themes.

It's all about the marketing, toys, and selling products but doing it with a nice movie that will showcase cool robots and awesome fights.



EDIT: Note -- This isn't all that I want out of the movie...but I know that most people just don't care about deeper meanings with Transformers, and in all honesty, why should they? It was just a cartoon, toyline, comic from the 80's to most people...why should they look for something deeper in that?

I think you're 100% correct.... unfortunately.
To answer your last question, I can only say: because it makes "good sci-fi."

[Octoberist]

I know that you guys may disagree with Bay's vision but it's so early in the game that we still don't know enough about the production, you know?

IT's like people dissing Spider-Man 3..I'm like why?

[CFlash]

I know that you guys may disagree with Bay's vision but it's so early in the game that we still don't know enough about the production, you know?

IT's like people dissing Spider-Man 3..I'm like why?

Because hopefully chatter and buzz will give the writers clues about what direction they should take the franchise in..... a counter-weight to the studio "suits."

For instance studio suits might be pushing for a certain bright and cheery Spidey 3 (why mess with the formula?). But I think Spidey 2 was a perfect set-up for Spidey 3 to go 'dark' (a la everything goes wrong... symbiant storyline). If it's more of the same it'll just be booooring IMHO.

And, Raimi would be so perfect in making a 'darkish' Spider-Man. This is the guy that gave us Evil Dead, possibly best horror movie ever next to Excorcist, (not just my opinion- it's almost universal consensus ;) ) and Darkman.

Chatter, buzz, and debate... although sometimes childish... can be a good thing. And, it's fun.
I hate people that make "wait for the movie" posts... if you feel that way, get off the forum.

[Octoberist]

whoh there partner. Not trying to create a fuss. I know what you're talking about and debates are fun.

But dont' go "Get off the forum". Calm!

[CFlash]

whoh there partner. Not trying to create a fuss. I know what you're talking about and debates are fun.

But dont' go "Get off the forum". Calm!

Everything's zen here, man. Make an argument as to why you think Spidey 3 debates are dumb and like-minded debates here about TF are also.

[Hunter Rider]

Because hopefully chatter and buzz will give the writers clues about what direction they should take the franchise in..... a counter-weight to the studio "suits."

For instance studio suits might be pushing for a certain bright and cheery Spidey 3 (why mess with the formula?). But I think Spidey 2 was a perfect set-up for Spidey 3 to go 'dark' (a la everything goes wrong... symbiant storyline). If it's more of the same it'll just be booooring IMHO.

And, Raimi would be so perfect in making a 'darkish' Spider-Man. This is the guy that gave us Evil Dead, possibly best horror movie ever next to Excorcist, (not just my opinion- it's almost universal consensus ;) ) and Darkman.

Chatter, buzz, and debate... although sometimes childish... can be a good thing. And, it's fun.
I hate people that make "wait for the movie" posts... if you feel that way, get off the forum.

I also wonder why someone comes to a forum and talks about only 1 topic and yet seems to hate everything about it,not having a go just puzzled as to why you waste any time on this movie given your clear feelings on the subject and most that support it

[Octoberist]

There's the extremist who would saying that Spidey 3 will be the black sheep of the trilogy, and blah blah.

I'm worried about it too, but there's people who are stating it as fact while we don't know crap about it. IT's fun to read and respond to what they're saying but sometimes people are so narrowminded it's incredible.

Not to say that I won't judge a movie before its released. I was very patient with X3 and I participated in my disagreements with certain things with that movie.

If you want to hear what I have to say about TF , here you go:

There two things that I'm worried about with Transformers:

1. MIchael Bay and his habits of 'over-doing' everything.

2. The fear of an adaptation of a live action "Iron Giant", where the humans become the central characters not the robots.

I've got those fears but I'm waiting until they shift to LA with the production, or until we find out more gossip.

But I never stated that you should STOP the 'ill-minded debates' here.

[CFlash]

I also wonder why someone comes to a forum and talks about only 1 topic and yet seems to hate everything about it,not having a go just puzzled as to why you waste any time on this movie given your clear feelings on the subject and most that support it

I haven't only spoken about 1 topic. And the answer is because I care about Transformers. I've always thought it had great sci-fi potential.

Not sure if I care about it in the same way you care about the gazillion other things you post on... also don't understand why you feel the need to "instigate" rather than post well-thought out topics.

[WalkingDead]

I know that you guys may disagree with Bay's vision but it's so early in the game that we still don't know enough about the production, you know?

IT's like people dissing Spider-Man 3..I'm like why?

I agree 100% I think it's now pointless to argue or get upset over little things, before even the teaser trailer is out yet. However, voicing opinions some times makes the writers and director change things...but in all honesty, I don't think it really matters that much right now.

Stuff has to change for this to be a good new translation of Transformers, I just hope that they will nail the characters' personalities and traits right.

[Hunter Rider]

I haven't only spoken about 1 topic. And the answer is because I care about Transformers. I've always thought it had great sci-fi potential.

Not sure if I care about it in the same way you care about the gazillion other things you post on... also don't understand why you feel the need to "instigate" rather than post well-thought out topics.

I meant you only post in the section of a movie that you seem to despise
and also how was that "instigating" ? i asked a perfectly civil question that's all

[CFlash]

I meant you only post in the section of a movie that you seem to despise
and also how was that "instigating" ? i asked a perfectly civil question that's all

Made some posts post in Batman (lack of detective emphasis) and voiced my opinion on X3. Two things I care about. But, yeah, I joined the Hype to talk about Transformers. Big deal.

I would post on Spidey, but I have absolute faith in Raimi. In terms of moviemaking (camera-work, editing, vibe, character), he makes Bay look like a schmuck.

And I don't despise the TF movie... um, probably because I haven't seen it.

[Hunter Rider]

Made some posts post in Batman (lack of detective emphasis) and voiced my opinion on X3. Two things I care about. But, yeah, I joined the Hype to talk about Transformers. Big deal.

I would post on Spidey, but I have absolute faith in Raimi. In terms of moviemaking (camera-work, editing, vibe, character), he makes Bay look like a schmuck.

And I don't despise the TF movie... um, probably because I haven't seen it.
Well ok,i didn't do a back trace on you it's just everytime i see you in this section except for the poster thread you seem to be full of doom and gloom to the point i'd have figured you would have just given up on this project

Pity you don't post in the SM-3 section if you like debate as there are many there that feel the complete oppisite on Raimi and his spidey movies

[Won '08]

Yah... NYC... as in Manhattan. Where you bridge & tunnel folks come to have fun. Big deal I misspelled Bensonhurst in one post and spelled it correctly in another. I grew up in Bushwick and I don't even know if that's how you spell it..... who gives a f*.



Oh yea... Prime's colors!... now that's SUBSTANCE. Real Cute. NYC as in New York City, not as in the borough capital. You're from Bushwick and acting like a spoiled brat from Long Island? Pompous trash. Really.

[CFlash]

Real Cute. NYC as in New York City, not as in the borough capital. You're from Bushwick and acting like a spoiled brat from Long Island? Pompous trash. Really.

Now we're dissin L.I.? Where will it end?

For the sake of peace, I apologize for perpetuating the Bensonhurst Camaro IROC Andrew Dice Clay cliche.

[Cold2daToucH004]

Umm? When did this become the "discuss what you think of bay directing the transformers movie" thread?

Seriously guys, you want to argue or discuss the state of this movie, please do it in a different thread. I was really hoping this thread would be spam free, and stay on topic. We are just not starting to get decent pics of things from the movie, don't ruin it.

[Chase023]

Anthony Anderson selling some Transformers at a car dealership!!!!!
http://www.unreel.co.uk/reviews/c/Cradle_2_the_Grave/co2.jpg
is that from the movie or from one of those barbershop movies.

This is from the Movie "Cradle to the Grave" with Jet Li and DMX

[toddly6666]

Outcome of Brawl chasing Bumblebee:
http://www.neatorama.com/images/2005/police-car-crash.jpg

Scorponok (Decepticon)
http://www.maximumlimo.com/images/maxjr/jrexterior.jpg