The Wes Bently/Blackheart Thread [Archive] - Page 2

FlameHead

06-27-2006, 01:57 PM

Damn, I really missed a great coversation here didn't I?

I was really excited to see the part in question in the trailer as it did a couple of things for me. First and foremost, it gave us a taste of the supernatural element of the flick, which is highly important. Second; it gave us just a little confirmation that BlackHeart will indeed be changing into demon form in this movie (not that I didn't believe MSJ when he said so) which was a deep concern of mine during the development of the movie. It's very had to tell what the final transformation is going to look like or even if it'll be more than what we've seen but, I'm happy that he is going to at least show the demon.

Personally, I think the stuff coming out of his mouth is in fact the start of his transformation and I don't think it's teeth we see. The question is how close the transformation will be to the comics... and how much the fans really care.

hpwiz89

06-27-2006, 03:47 PM

:eek: That is a creepy picture.:eek:

Jin Saotome

06-30-2006, 01:17 AM

Kickass... just checked up on this thread and didn't know MSJ mentioned a 'final evolved state', cool! I mean if he's threatening Mephisto enough for him to get worried, he has to look baddass.

zer00

06-30-2006, 02:55 AM

Creature SH

07-01-2006, 03:50 PM

Now, what ARE horror elements ? I'm guessing the teeth, although I personally find a being without any mouth opening to be more horrifying.

I'm a little worried, actually. The simplicity of Blackheart's appearance was part of what made it work.

FlameHead

07-01-2006, 04:43 PM

In comics. What made it work in comics.

zer00

07-01-2006, 08:10 PM

Remember. Yellow spandex looks really badass in the comics.

Jin Saotome

07-02-2006, 04:15 AM

Everyone is forgetting 'cool' and 'scary' get two completly different outlooks when done in a comic book/drawn medium.

Characters in yellow spandex and bright suits only look cool because they're not drawn like actors in suits or with regular body types. They look perfectly toned and that suit is glued to their skin. They're shaded differently, given different textures, and that doesn't translate good ito RL most often.

Scary is just plain freaking scary. Take the psycho crap H.R. Gieger draws in art books. They tone his art DOWN and the 'Alien' becomes the trademark of big screen horror for years. Basic fears don't rely on a coolness factor, they're present no matter how they're done. An eight-foot tall mouthless black humanoid made of tightly wound thorny vines, twitchy Predator hair, and glowing red eyes is scary no matter what format it's presented on.

In fact Blackheart would even be scarier/more disturbing if they brought him closer to human size/apperance. The closer something looks to human but isn't, the more terrifying it is. Take the man-faced dog at the end of the Body Snatchers, or that alien-eyed kid in the 'Airals' music video. People view human faces and body features in a perfect, exacting way. Any deviation and it's considered ugly or grotesque. Throw it really out of wack and people scream. And of course the people who like that horror will tink it's 'cool'.

They could go strictly John Romita Jr. look for Blackheart where he's no taller or different in body shape than Daredevil's character. A stretchy stuff over his mouth so it looks like a jaw moving under some membrane, enlarged red eyes on a human sized skull, yiiich.

FlameHead

07-25-2006, 11:11 PM

This is a damn old thread that I'm bumping here but, it just goes to show how long it's been since we really chatted about Wes being on board, which truly is a Shame. Wisco brought it up in another thread and it got me to searchin' for old threads.

I, personally, am very excited about Wes being in this. I'm only seen him in American Beauty but, he was brilliant in that so, one should think he'd be good in this as well. Of course, only time will tell...

BIGGUN

07-25-2006, 11:20 PM

think one of the problems is that we havent heard from Wes on his involvement w/ the movie. no interviews, articles...nada. much of the attention has been on Cage w/ some on Fonda and Mendes. once it gets closer to the release date im sure some interviews will pop up...would be interesting to hear if he was also a fan of the comic.

WiscoD

07-26-2006, 12:04 AM

Weve only seen a little of Wes in the trailer, but when he says "im here to win the war" the look on his face is priceless. Truley a son who wants to kill his father.(think S. Freud) . I think he'll do a great job as BH...D

NDX

07-26-2006, 12:12 AM

With Bentley, other than American Beauty, I'm not very impressed with the work he's done, and even thought his part in AB could have been a bit better (but that might just be my taste in films, although I found AB to be an amazing film). When I found out Bentley was BH I was worried, still am since I am not a fan of his outside of one film. So far the photographs have me enjoying the look, I just hope I feel the same fo the performance.

BrollySupersj

07-26-2006, 11:19 AM

Wes Bently is god.....

WiscoD

07-26-2006, 11:48 AM

Wes Bently is god.....I agree! I think hes soo close to breaking out as an A list actor. I just wish wed see more of his work on screen....D

FlameHead

07-28-2006, 12:18 AM

Well, we got a little more with the recent footage and he still looks great. We can't really tell how his acting is or anything but, he looks incredible. I have all the faith in the world though. His work in American Beauty is brilliant, so we know he has it in him.

I have a feeling that he's not an A list actor because of choice. He doesn't seem to work a whole hell of a lot (unless it's on indie flicks or stage work, that is). Then again, he could be hard to get along with as well, who knows?

bbf2

07-28-2006, 12:40 AM

Exclusive footage of Bently, attacking a surprise cameo character!

http://www.marcianitos.org/revisiones/marvelvsst/archivos/blackheart.jpg

NDX

07-28-2006, 12:47 AM

BrollySupersj

07-28-2006, 05:49 PM

I agree! I think hes soo close to breaking out as an A list actor. I just wish wed see more of his work on screen....D

He'll be an A-list after Ghost Rider...no dout.

FlameHead

07-29-2006, 12:18 PM

Exclusive footage of Bently, attacking a surprise cameo character!

http://www.marcianitos.org/revisiones/marvelvsst/archivos/blackheart.jpg

LOL :D :ghost:

nogster

08-20-2006, 02:09 AM

thats what i want to see.
does anyone know if we will see his true demonic form or are we stuck with his human disguise.
i suspect he will be human till the climax where he shows his true self. i would be satisfied with that.

i dont know too much about the character at all really. i love him in the marvel vs capcom games but thats all i know of him, [besides his basic history]. but man i want to see blackheart go all "ARMEGEDDON" on the big screen.

zer00

08-20-2006, 02:13 AM

Yes he does transform. We get slight hints of it. A smile that goes too far, stuff like that. I believe MSJ said it would be comic Blackheart mixed with some other horror influences here and there. But he'll transform and go at it with GR.

I think we saw the start of it in the teaser.

NDX

08-20-2006, 06:12 AM

This is my most anticipated scene. One of the best villains I've seen in GR, MSJ can make the whole movie for me with a proper Blackheart design.

xwolverine2

08-20-2006, 10:34 AM

i wanna see mephistopheles more....... now that would be sick!!!

toddly6666

08-31-2006, 07:32 PM

I know that Wes Bentley is gonna be doing human Blackheart, but has anyone heard yet if Blackheart will eventually change to his natural demon self later on in the movie:

https://mmm2104.london21-verio.com/tenthp/scripts/database/images/webimages/actionfigures/marvel/blackheart.jpg

Does anyone think that they are trying to keep it secret so that it will be a surprise to Blackheart fans?

zer00

08-31-2006, 08:22 PM

For the final time. Yes he will transform and fight GR.

toddly6666

08-31-2006, 09:12 PM

thanks, that's good news...where did you find this information? Do you have a link to that info?

zer00

08-31-2006, 09:18 PM

The director.

The_Raven

08-31-2006, 09:23 PM

thanks, that's good news...where did you find this information? Do you have a link to that info?

Q: There was a report a few months ago by someone who saw concept drawings for Blackheart stating the character looked like a "nosferatu type creature". Is this description true?

A: Blackheart is shown in what I consider his "Human form" for much of the movie. But along the way we get hints of what lies underneath. By the climax we see his true self -- and it's horrifying. There will be some of the classic comic look along with other horrific elements to his look.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217085

chosen1

12-12-2006, 07:50 PM

I'm confused is this the same blackheart thats in the Capcom fighting games like Marvel superhoes and marvel vs Capcom

http://www.sfgalleries.net/art/msh/series1/blackheart.gif

Is he going to look like this?

batfan1028

12-12-2006, 08:02 PM

according to MSJ,blackheart will transform to his true self in the end.He will have the look of the comic books but have a more demonic look to him for the film.

Mr Nick

12-13-2006, 06:36 AM

Yep, that's the ol' spiky son of Mephisto that's in the movie. Of course, he looks like Wes Bentley for most of the film. When we see it, I hope his demon form bears a resemblance to his comic book look. It's a very cool design.

:woot:

LadyVader

12-13-2006, 07:31 AM

Yep, that's the ol' spiky son of Mephisto that's in the movie. Of course, he looks like Wes Bentley for most of the film.
:woot:

And God bless him for that. :D

FlameHead

01-29-2007, 02:51 PM

Finally, something from Wes...

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=397575

Wes Bentley On Being "Ghost Rider" Baddie Blackheart
Posted by Jen Yamato on Monday, Jan. 29, 2007, 11:21 AM

Jen Yamato writes: "Wes Bentley is one of the sweetest-looking actors in Hollywood (remember him as a tortured teen in "American Beauty?"). So how'd he get a gig playing Blackheart, the arch nemesis and supremely evil bad guy in this summer's "Ghost Rider," opposite Nicolas Cage?

We talked to Bentley in Park City, Utah last week, where he was doing press for the Slamdance opener "Weirdsville," a stoner slacker adventure from "Pump Up The Volume" director Allan Moyle. After that film and with a handful of other indies under his belt (including the upcoming slacker flick "Hank and Mike"), he's making a detour into big-budget territory -- and it doesn't get much bigger than the comic-adaptation of "Ghost Rider."

Although you might not guess it from his nice-guy repertoire, Bentley nabbed the evilest role of his career from the "Ghost Rider" director himself. "I knew [Mark Steven Johnson] through mutual friends; we get along to this day, he's one of my closest friends," Bentley explains. "He just always saw me playing Blackheart."

Bentley's indie-leaning career choices have definitely been deliberate, though he's learned that not being a wide-eyed neophyte anymore has its benefits. "I don't think I've ever lost touch with the studios fully," Bentley says. "I just don't think -- I wasn't ready to exploit anything yet. So now I'm a little more open to ideas. I feel like now that I'm older, it's a little bit easier to, you know, to not get lost. They won't exploit you as much when you're a little bit older."

Fans of the "Ghost Rider" comics know that Bentley's character, Blackheart, is a fully drawn out demon, but the filmmakers had to make some adjustments with the look and size of the character for the film. "I do [look normal] until you get to the end of the movie, kind of. He takes on a…form," Bentley spills. "But it's great CGI, incredible CGI! What we decided was that he needed to embody a human character to kind of drift through the world a little bit, to do what he wanted to do and if he looked completely strange, then…but he's the main bad guy, so we had to have him in there."

Bentley certainly looks a gentle soul in person, but look for him to kick some Cage behind in the summer flick. "Yeah, we had a good fight scene at the end," he promises. "And in the middle there's a good scene where I beat him around a little bit!""

Advanced Dark

01-29-2007, 02:51 PM

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=397575

We talked to Bentley (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/wes_bentley/) in Park City, Utah last week, where he was doing press for the Slamdance opener "Weirdsville (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/weirdsville/)," a stoner slacker adventure from "Pump Up The Volume (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/pump_up_the_volume/)" director Allan Moyle (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/allan_moyle/). After that film and with a handful of other indies under his belt (including the upcoming slacker flick "Hank and Mike"), he's making a detour into big-budget territory -- and it doesn't get much bigger than the comic-adaptation of "Ghost Rider (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghost_rider/)."

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/10007911/photo_34.jpg (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fundance_at_sundance_2007/gallery.php?page=34&size=lores&nopop=1)
"Weirdsville" director Moyle with Bentley in Park City

Although you might not guess it from his nice-guy repertoire, Bentley nabbed the evilest role of his career from the "Ghost Rider" director himself. "I knew [Mark Steven Johnson (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/mark_steven_johnson/)] through mutual friends; we get along to this day, he's one of my closest friends," Bentley explains. "He just always saw me playing Blackheart."

Bentley's indie-leaning career choices have definitely been deliberate, though he's learned that not being a wide-eyed neophyte anymore has its benefits. "I don't think I've ever lost touch with the studios fully," Bentley says. "I just don't think -- I wasn't ready to exploit anything yet. So now I'm a little more open to ideas. I feel like now that I'm older, it's a little bit easier to, you know, to not get lost. They won't exploit you as much when you're a little bit older."

Fans of the "Ghost Rider" comics know that Bentley's character, Blackheart, is a fully drawn out demon, but the filmmakers had to make some adjustments with the look and size of the character for the film. "I do [look normal] until you get to the end of the movie, kind of. He takes on a…form," Bentley spills. "But it's great CGI, incredible CGI! What we decided was that he needed to embody a human character to kind of drift through the world a little bit, to do what he wanted to do and if he looked completely strange, then…but he's the main bad guy, so we had to have him in there."

http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1156585/photo_04.jpg (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghost_rider/gallery.php?page=4&size=lores&nopop=1)
Bentley (middle) as Blackheart, with a few friends in "Ghost Rider"

Bentley certainly looks a gentle soul in person, but look for him to kick some Cage (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/p/nicolas_cage/) behind in the summer flick. "Yeah, we had a good fight scene at the end," he promises. "And in the middle there's a good scene where I beat him around a little bit!""

Didn't see this before merge with Blackheart thread in a couple days.

-AD

FlameHead

01-29-2007, 02:52 PM

LoL. Looks like we posted this at the same time....

Advanced Dark

01-29-2007, 02:57 PM

Wow exactly the same time. Probably keep it in both till everyone sees this article. After an average # of views. :)

Hellstormer

01-29-2007, 05:19 PM

I don't like how he says they changed it it. I'm worried.

FlameHead

01-29-2007, 10:04 PM

Wow exactly the same time. Probably keep it in both till everyone sees this article. After an average # of views. :)

I just went ahead a merged... though, I thought at the time more had been talkin' about it in here. Either way...

BIGGUN

01-29-2007, 10:09 PM

CyclopsSummers

01-30-2007, 07:42 AM

Im excited to see his real form at the end

FlameHead

01-31-2007, 09:21 AM

cool little interview w/ Bentley...nice to know that BH will fight w/ GR twice in the film and gets to throw him around for a bit..heh
dont mind so much if the hidden dont pose that much of a threat but its a absolute necessity that BH should be able to be more than a match for GR.

Yeah, I don't mind if the Hidden are just something to get in his way either. I'm sure how GR gets rid of them will be awesome. You're right though, BH should definatly pose more of a threat but... not really because of his sheer power but, mainly his intelligence.

LadyVader

01-31-2007, 09:55 AM

...and his overall hotness.

http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/cinema/news/atores/wes_bentley.jpg

DAYUMN!

BrollySupersj

02-01-2007, 04:39 PM

I had a dream a speacial trailer showed Blackhearts form. And man...what a dream...it looked JUST LIKE THE COMIC, it was so organic. Not to mention freaking scary.

xwolverine2

02-01-2007, 08:28 PM

http://www.sfgalleries.net/art/msh/series1/blackheart.gif

i hope he at least resembles it in some way...cause that looks cool

xwolverine2

02-01-2007, 08:28 PM

...and his overall hotness.

http://spinstersandlunatics.50megs.com/images/bentley_aqua.jpg

DAYUMN!

hes satans son...what do u expect?:huh:

LadyVader

02-01-2007, 11:51 PM

http://www.xs4all.nl/~terrible/pics/squirt02.jpg

:)

CyclopsSummers

02-10-2007, 07:51 AM

no pics yet about his real form at the end of the movie :cmad::cmad:

Vartha

02-10-2007, 08:00 AM

Well CS Some of us want to see black Heart too, guess we'll have to wait.

InVictus

02-10-2007, 08:50 AM

http://www.sonypicturescolombia.com/home/peliculas/ghostrider/images/foto21.jpg
Well from this latest still he seems to be blakish, with the trademark spikes/hair( maybe a little shorter), red eyes, a little more squinted and human like but still red, they just added the fanged mouth , which seems a common trait with his father and so i think could work very well... this is only speculations based on the mid transformed still though...
This picture is a very good hint of what the final form should like...to see better the spikes i recommend to bright up the monitor...

CyclopsSummers

02-10-2007, 01:23 PM

Yeah its an human form one more time.
We want to see his real demonic form.

Advanced Dark

02-13-2007, 12:41 PM

New Interview w/Wes

http://www.ifmagazine.com/transitional.asp?strURL=feature.asp?article=1915

CAH

02-13-2007, 01:18 PM

^Thanks man.

Wes's quotes are really inspiring in that...especially the one about dying when you stop searching for something.

CAH

The Fallen One

02-15-2007, 12:35 PM

SpideyZERO

02-15-2007, 12:39 PM

Nope, BlackHeart's demon form is not in the movie. Disappointing

nogster

02-15-2007, 04:46 PM

I really hope to see Blackheart in his demon form. His demon form is really cool looking and I really do like it. If his demon form is not in it, then that will be will be a huge upset for me. For all of us.

well expect to be very dissapointed as i was.....no full form blackheart...
all we get is red eyes and a darker tone of skin with "evil vapour" surrounding him like bad body odur. no "BLACKHEART RISING"!. i was waiting all movie to see it. but nothings.....arggghhhhh!!

The Fallen One

02-15-2007, 04:46 PM

Noooooooo! Wait, how do you know?

The Fallen One

02-15-2007, 04:49 PM

Wait, did some of you guys already see it rigt now? How do you guys know this? tell me!

xwolverine2

02-15-2007, 04:55 PM

wtf no blackheart?!

Vartha

02-15-2007, 04:57 PM

Early Screenings Fallen One, there are alot of them out there.

Pilgrim

02-15-2007, 04:59 PM

There is a scene where he transforms but when it finishes he comes out as wes bentley with red eyes and some spikes, fangs etc under his face.
http://www.sonypicturescolombia.com/home/peliculas/ghostrider/images/foto21.jpg

That is blackhearts final form for the movie.

It came out here in Australia on the 15th which for us was yesterday so a lot of us have seen it.

The Fallen One

02-15-2007, 04:59 PM

Oh! Ok, I didn't know that. :o

xwolverine2

02-15-2007, 05:01 PM

noooooooo!!!

Secret_Riddle

02-15-2007, 05:02 PM

Oh well, I'm happy with that.

The Fallen One

02-15-2007, 05:03 PM

Maybe we'll see him in his full demon form in the sequel, if they make one that is.

xwolverine2

02-15-2007, 05:03 PM

so it doesnt go beyond that church transformation scene?

BrollySupersj

02-15-2007, 05:14 PM

What....no...true demon form blackheart??? What....why....how.....who? What duck??? I don't get it? IT....it can't be...NO....I do not want to accept it...I WANT A DEMON FORM OF BLACKHEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!

zer00

02-15-2007, 05:15 PM

I wonder why we didn't get a fully transformed BH

it was said we were going to get one

BrollySupersj

02-15-2007, 05:15 PM

MSJ lied...he lied!!!!!!!

LadyVader

02-15-2007, 05:17 PM

Wes is too purtty. :)

xwolverine2

02-15-2007, 05:18 PM

Wes is too purtty. :)

LOL... :woot:

The Ones

02-15-2007, 05:18 PM

I have lost respect for MSJ for lying to us.

xwolverine2

02-15-2007, 05:23 PM

ill see it for myself before i cry...

ill be happy if it at least resembles him in some way.

nogster

02-15-2007, 05:25 PM

i saw it last night and i was very dissapointed there was no full form blackheart. i was hanging to see this...but nnoooooo..
the only reason i can think of why we dont get a full form demon blackheart is this....
GR uses the penance stare on blackheart to defeat him as blackheart had just ingested all the evil souls from the contract. so GR turned all that evil against him. i assume the director thought this would not of been as effective if blackheart was a big demon with a non human face. i dissagree. i couldve been done and shouldve been done...

it doesnt feel like blackheart is in the movie without the full form.
and i bet there will a LOT of annoyed and dissapointed fanboys out there.

The Fallen One

02-15-2007, 05:25 PM

I know! This sucks. But I'm still gonna see it.

xwolverine2

02-15-2007, 05:26 PM

as much as i was looking forward to seeing this... i wont let it ruin the movie for me.

but yea... i was hoping the tvspots were hiding his demon form to surprise us... instead they just dont even have it?!:(

BrollySupersj

02-15-2007, 05:30 PM

Ghost Rider doesn't need the Penance Stare to defeat EVERYONE!!! He could have just beat the **** out of him. This sucks...what kind of ending fight will we get if he doesn't have the main form??

Granted I'll still see it...and I'll most likely still enjoy it every bit. But I am a bit under whelmed of all this.

The Fallen One

02-15-2007, 05:46 PM

Man. This s**ks balls. *sits in the corner*

InVictus

02-16-2007, 02:50 AM

Well, if the screenshot of Blackheart with blackish skin, spikes, fangs and red eyes is the true form in the movie i'm okay with it. Really, he can mutate form in comics, like its father, i saw several forms of him over the years so i'm not even disturbed by this. From the description of the scenes i think it stand faithful to the overall look of father and son over the movie, a giant cg figure would have been way to fake, like malebolgia at the end of spawn(whichisa stupidGRripoffbythewayyouknowmayhebedamned). They still have the eyes, spikes and colour spot on, that's is enough for me, and i am a long term GR fan... maybe some suggestion of a tail when he emerges form shadows, ro some hint of it in some scenes, that is my only suggestion i think could have worked.

Pilgrim

02-16-2007, 02:55 AM

^ You see mepisto's shadow at one point and it is in the shape of a demon like creature...can't remember if it happens with blackheart.

zer00

02-16-2007, 03:05 AM

I have lost respect for MSJ for lying to us.

don't exaggerate

you have no idea what the explanation of full BH not appearing is

so let's not start playing the fanboy blame game just yet

-Æ-

02-16-2007, 03:21 AM

Well I do remeber seeing that they were suppose to have a full form of Blackheart in the movie from the comics. If from what the other person is saying that there isn't a full form, that will be upseting, because I was really looking foward to it.

Heres the link, it was the sticky interview says it on the first post, that there is supposed to be a true form of Black Heart.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217085

The Fallen One

02-16-2007, 09:29 AM

I'm still really upset for not seeing Blackheart in his full demon form. I feel like my heart has been shattered.... =(

LadyVader

02-16-2007, 09:34 AM

Eat a puppy or something.

Hellstormer

02-16-2007, 09:37 AM

Hey just not I should mention: I'm ditching school to go see the first showing in the Southwestern part of PA. :D

REBEL YELL!

The Fallen One

02-16-2007, 10:04 AM

I have no school today so I'll be seeing it soon. Maybe at night time to make it spooky or something. :oldrazz:

CyclopsSummers

02-16-2007, 02:54 PM

Yeahh MSJ lied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and **** I hate him!!!!!!!!!!!!
No real demon form like in comics so f***** this MSJ's movie
this director is really disappointing

BrollySupersj

02-16-2007, 03:51 PM

I'm seeing it at 5 today. I'm a little let down. I don't feel SUPER MEGA excited as I was last week. But I'm sure it'll still be good. As long as Blackheart and GR have a good fight.

Hellstormer

02-16-2007, 07:57 PM

Actually I thought Blackheart was done pretty well. I mean big porcupine tendrils would've been awesome but the demon form they had was pretty cool. The overall movie was pretty good except for some messed up SFX here and there and some story edits.

Tangled Web

02-16-2007, 08:05 PM

The movie was good but I was a little let down that he didn't go all out as pictured previously with tendrils and all.

FlameHead

02-19-2007, 12:56 PM

You guys are right, there is no full demon form of BlackHeart. The form that we actually see, from what I understand, is Legion. It was cool but, it was not BH. To me though, this is okay, because what they did was successfully create a franchise villain and in fact have left something for us to look forward to in the sequel, his full demon form... and who knows, maybe it'll be the demon we all know and love. We'll have to wait and see.

As for Wes, he was amazing in the film. I really enjoyed his performance and to add, he's an incredible guy as well. Really friendly and easy to speak with.

The Fallen One

02-19-2007, 02:28 PM

It was a big upset. I'm really sad that Blackheart's full demon form was NOT in it. The movie was good and all, but where the hell is thee Blackheart?! That's the only thing I don't like about it. I just hope that in the second one, we will see thee real Blackheart. (And maybe Mephisto too...)

body_crumbles

02-21-2007, 12:21 AM

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/blackheart.htm
According to the history from that link, the movie's Blackheart and storyline were pretty spot on... with the acception of a few minor changes.

Enriquespy

02-21-2007, 01:04 AM

Also sad there was not included the Blackheart demon form... still Legion was cool (not so much, the voice effect was just poor and weak)

antmanx68

02-21-2007, 05:57 AM

I think as poorly executed as the character was by MSJ, it was acted even worse by Wes Bentley. Over the top and wooden at the same time. His Blackheart was laughable, and not at all threatening. Slapping CG demon traits on him when lighting strikes did little to help, he came off as a kid with makeup and a trench coat. He looked ok walking around, but whenever he opened his mouth it was just painfully bad. I dont know if it was the casting, direction, script or what but something, EVERYTHING, was seriously missing from that character.

I'm not just mindlessly hating either, I think that Cage did his best with Johnny Blaze and could have saved the movie if it wasnt so poor all around. He brought a Cage-signiture quirky, interesting performance to a movie that was otherwise devoid of all character and heart (and Blackheart).

brook_33

03-17-2007, 06:30 PM

are there any pictures of legion?

Bnightwing

03-23-2007, 01:04 AM

When i fist saw black heart he remined me of a guy from batman beyond year one by bat in the sun productions who was that guy and was he from batman beyond? i just want to know any 1 have an idea?

Ghost_Rider_GR1

03-30-2007, 01:01 PM

i dunno about that but i loved BH for real !

Ghost_Rider_GR1

03-30-2007, 01:21 PM

well i liked BH but i didnt like how legion`s eyes looked .. if they made it dark red and with no lens that would be freakin cool .. but what freaked me out the way legion was walking toward JB .. its awesome its like a real demon !

AVEITWITHJAMON

03-30-2007, 01:47 PM

I think MSJ really missed an oppurtunity here by not showing Blackheart's demon form. It would have made Wes Bentley's performance more acceptable probably. To show that under his spoilt kid-like persona was a big, mean, mother****ing demon would have been an excellent surprise at the end of the movie. And if they would have shown that demon beating the absolute **** out of GR would have given BH A LOT more menace.

I mean imagine the scene were JB is trying to get BH into the shadows of the church and shooting him with a shotgun. What would have been more scary, Wes Bentley surrounded by black smoke walking towards him or a big **** off 7 foot black demon with no human features whatsoever walking toward him? See what i mean?