The Wes Bently/Blackheart Thread

[MJB]

Bently has been tapped to play villian Blackheart. I don't know a whole lot about GR, so I'm not familar with Blackheart. At any rate it's good to see bently getting some work, cause the guy''s a good actor. I do have reservations about GR, because of Johnson, but Bently's perfomance should be solid.

[Radford]

im not big on GR but i know BH is uh....not Wes Bentley..thats for sure.

unless hes just doing the voice, but if they make BH look just...human...then BOOOOOOO.

[BIGGUN]

yup...we were just talking about it in the GR Official Hype thread...
Blackheart is the son of Mephisto and wants to kill his father so that he can take over Hell. Mephisto meanwhile "hires" Blaze to become GR in order to hunt down and kill his own son. not exactly as it was in the comics but to get a good idea read "Hearts of Darkness"...its a one shot comic w/ Wolverine, Punisher, and GR vs Blackheart.
BH is rather interesting....he is a bit nuts, uber powerfull, and feels that he will be doing mankind a great favor by killing his father.

[WOLVERINE25TH]

http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villain/blackheart/blackheart.html

Blackheart.

[BIGGUN]

im not big on GR but i know BH is uh....not Wes Bentley..thats for sure.

unless hes just doing the voice, but if they make BH look just...human...then BOOOOOOO.


Dude...i wouldnt worry.....as ive mentioned several times before both BH and Mephisto will probably be shown as having human forms in parts of the film. BH will change into his demon form when he has to fight GR or when he has to cause some heavy destruction.

[Radford]

Dude...i wouldnt worry.....as ive mentioned several times before both BH and Mephisto will probably be shown as having human forms in parts of the film. BH will change into his demon form when he has to fight GR or when he has to cause some heavy destruction.


thats what i figure too.

im just dreading the possibility of him being human for the whole thing. or anything less than his big black tendril-headed bad self.


im sure MSJ will do us right though.

[FlameHead]

I don't mind him being human for most of the film, not for a second... and I have faith that Wes can do a really great Job (I love American Beauty so much... and that being an ensemble movie, you can't take away his performance which was no less than perfect) BUT I do want to see the demon in him.

You cannot put Ghost Rider with all his supernatual powers on screen with some human and make us believe that they are equal power. He has to change... in what way, I do not know. I seem's his look was already taken by the LOTR people when they created the Uruk-Hai. Very similar in appearance.

[FlameHead]

By the way, there is another mini article on
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/brief_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000769111
about Wes joinin' the cast...


Bentley joins Cage in seeing 'Ghost'

Wes Bentley has signed on to play the bad guy in Columbia Pictures' upcoming Nicolas Cage starrer, "Ghost Rider." Bentley will play Black Heart in the Marvel Comics adaptation. The film stars Cage in the title role. He plays a former motorcycle stuntman who agrees to let his body become host to a vengeful spirit, Ghost Rider, a bike-riding demon, to secure the safety of his true love. Mark Steven Johnson is directing. Shane Salerno wrote the original draft of the Columbia project. Marvel Entertainment's Avi Arad and Crystal Sky's Steven Paul are producing the project with Johnson's producing partner Gary Foster and Michael De Luca. "Ghost" previously was set up at Dimension Films, with David S. Goyer attached to direct. Matt Tolmach, the studio's co-president of production, is overseeing the project. Bentley, who most recently appeared in "The Four Feathers," is repped by WMA. (Liza Foreman)

and http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050121/en_nm/film_bentley_dc_2



Entertainment - Reuters
Reuters
Bentley Riding with Cage in 'Ghost'

Fri Jan 21, 3:27 AM ET

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By Liza Foreman

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Wes Bentley (news) has signed on to play the bad guy opposite Nicolas Cage (news) in the Marvel Comics adaptation "Ghost Rider."

The Columbia project stars Cage in the title role. He plays a former motorcycle stuntman who agrees to let his body become host to a vengeful spirit, Ghost Rider, a bike-riding demon, to secure the safety of his true love. Bentley will play Black Heart. Mark Steven Johnson ("Daredevil") is directing.

"Ghost" previously was set up at Dimension Films, with "Blade" veteran David S. Goyer attached to direct. Bentley most recently appeared in the 2002 release "The Four Feathers." His breakthrough role was as a disturbed neighbor in 1999's "American Beauty."

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

[Hunter Rider]

I agree with the general consensus on here that he is a good choice and it will be interesting to see him manipulating things in human form and then fighting GR in demon form,should make for a great combination of storytelling and action:up:

[skorponok]

Say what you want about MSJ, he certainly brings together interesting casts.

[BT18]

They're wasting Bently on this movie for that part? WTF.

He should have either been Spider-Man or now he should play a young magneto in the Mags spinoff.

[Hunter Rider]

They're wasting Bently on this movie for that part? WTF.

He should have either been Spider-Man or now he should play a young magneto in the Mags spinoff.

No offence but i doesn't sound like you know much about GR if you think the character is a waste of his time.He will spend a large portion of the movie playing mephisto in human form,which will be a sly manipulative part which will be great stuff for an actor to get his teeth into,the demon part will probably be either CGI or a big guy in prosthetics

[MJB]

They're wasting Bently on this movie for that part? WTF.

He should have either been Spider-Man or now he should play a young magneto in the Mags spinoff.

I agree, especially on Spidey, and not taking away from tobey, but i would have liked Wes a lot more. I'm sure i'm right, but i remember reading that Bently didn't want to do a superhero film when the Spiderman casting was going on, and all that blah, blah, blah stuff that actors go on about when they think they are special cause critics and the media has made a big deal about them. Bently was supposed to be the next big thing, but the last thing he's been in was four Feathers, which was 2 years ago, and just an ok movie. I'm not saying that Bently was full of himself, cause i'm not sure, but I guess after a bulk of time with no work, it changes your mind.

[Kevin Roegele]

I hope Blackheart is a costume ala the Predator (with small sets to make him look huge) rather than Wes Bentley occasionally turning into a CGI Blackheart. Although we all know what the likely outcome is....:(

I also hope Blackheart has an awesome voice similar to the one he had in Capcom's Marvel Superheroes. "Blackheart reigns!"

[BIGGUN]

I hope Blackheart is a costume ala the Predator (with small sets to make him look huge) rather than Wes Bentley occasionally turning into a CGI Blackheart. Although we all know what the likely outcome is....:(

I also hope Blackheart has an awesome voice similar to the one he had in Capcom's Marvel Superheroes. "Blackheart reigns!"

MSJ had metioned that for the film both cgi and prosthetics would be used. dont know if that applies to Blackheart but it may. it would only be logical that if they wanted to make GR as real as possible they would have to do the same for the villains if they wanted people to take the film seriously.

[Retroman]

I'm really happy with Wes Bentley. :) I'm glad Mark Steven Johnson has given him the oppurtunity to shine in a big film again after such a long break. If you haven't seen American Beauty i suggest you go rent it asap!

[Retroman]

MSJ had metioned that for the film both cgi and prosthetics would be used. dont know if that applies to Blackheart but it may. it would only be logical that if they wanted to make GR as real as possible they would have to do the same for the villains if they wanted people to take the film seriously.
I wonder whos doing the prosthetics/make-up etc?

[Hunter Rider]

I wonder whos doing the prosthetics/make-up etc?

hopefully the same team that did Hellboy

[Retroman]

hopefully the same team that did Hellboy
Them Stan Winston, Joel Harlow or EdgeFX.

[sithgoblin]

Ha, I thought Bently was a 'serious actor' who was 'too good' for comic book films. :o

[skorponok]

I guess that he might have changed his mind once the credibility in comic films went up

[FlameHead]

When did he say that? I can't picture anyone saying that they are 'too good' to do something. That seems like a career ender to me.

[DOG LIPS]

Can anyone post a pic of Blackheart? My memory is bad. :(

[FlameHead]

http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villain/blackheart/blackheart1.jpg

[DOG LIPS]

Thanks. :)

[BIGGUN]

Here is another pic w/ a better view. was posted by BigBastard wayyyy back in 2003...

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/gallus82/blackheart.jpg

[WOLVERINE25TH]

http://www.geocities.com/marvel_vil...blackheart.html

An' here's th' bio, reposted again.

[DOG LIPS]

Page not found, Wolv. :(

What does BH's human form look like? Or does he even have a human form?

[BIGGUN]

In the comics that ive read i never seen him change into a normal human...but i havent read all of the comics where he appeared so i cant say for sure.
Even if they give BH the power to shape change wouldnt be a big deal as its a typical requirement for devils/demons in horror films. they need to pass as human in order to not attract attention to themselves.

[Caliber]

I hope they have him look like the pics because that would make Ghost Rider the way it should be.

[DOG LIPS]

I hope they don't kill him with bad CGI. :(

[FlameHead]

That's always a fear... but I have faith in the industry these days. I'm able to suspend disbelief a little easier than most though.

[InVictus]

Just some gifs i found (from the fighting game Marvel Super Heroes by Capcom). Damn if only Ghost could have been "capcomized" too he would have ruled.


http://www.midianweb.it/gif/marvel/x-men/blackheart/blackheart08.gif
http://www.midianweb.it/gif/marvel/x-men/blackheart/blackheart01.gif
http://www.midianweb.it/gif/marvel/x-men/blackheart/blackheart06.gif
http://www.midianweb.it/gif/marvel/x-men/blackheart/blackheart10.gif
http://www.midianweb.it/gif/marvel/x-men/blackheart/blackheart11.gif

[InVictus]

Actually in some later game("marvel vs streetfighter" i think) they used the same sprite of Blackheart in red alternate palette to represent the secret character Mephisto (since in the comics apart from color and general muscular tone difference only Meph had the beak over Blacky's absence of mouth).
Here http://www.midianweb.it/gif/marvel/marvel_index.htm you cand find the remaining BH gifs and all marvel character revisited by capcom, but Ghost wasn't so lucky. There was a rumour about a fighting game with all 2099 characters but the project stopped.

[BIGGUN]

There is a new fighting game being developed by EA which will have Marvel SuperHeroes. dont know if it will have Ghost Rider but w/ the movie coming out there might be a chance.
at least we know for sure there will be a game based on the movie.

[DOG LIPS]

Those are awesome, InVictus. I hope he really looks like that in the movie. :D:up:

[FlameHead]

Those are indeed awesome. Thanks for postin' them InVictus.

I agree Dog Lips; Blackheart should definatly look something like that at some point in the movie. It doesn't have to be during the entire flick, but for the fight w/ Ghost Rider at the very least, he has to.

[InVictus]

Blackheart should definatly look something like that at some point in the movie. It doesn't have to be during the entire flick, but for the fight w/ Ghost Rider at the very least, he has to.

You know, this makes me wonder of what Blackheart cgi/makeup would be better. There's a recent japanese movie named "Devilman" (based upon the manga Mao Dante by master Go Nagai) about a man transforming in a demon that, despite the excellent CGI, has too much strong differences between the live actor(even with quite good prosthetics in a "intermediate" form) and the cgi actual demon (an issue determined also by the scene mounting).
I fear a similar effect about Blackheart , if they decide to make the real demon form totally cgi. Maybe just some slight modification (a tail, a menacing, growing shadow with spikes, hair moulting sometimes with spikes, Wes with Blackheart's face only when in shadow), just some hinting elements during the film would be: first, more in line with the character; second, making continuity actor/cgi; third, that would keep the real BH form for the finale (quite like...omg maybe it's unlucky said that...Spawn o_o; ).
Anyway i think BH cgi would be very effective if played in the "living shadow" theme...

[Retroman]

Looks awesome InVictus!!

[FlameHead]

You know, this makes me wonder of what Blackheart cgi/makeup would be better. There's a recent japanese movie named "Devilman" (based upon the manga Mao Dante by master Go Nagai) about a man transforming in a demon that, despite the excellent CGI, has too much strong differences between the live actor(even with quite good prosthetics in a "intermediate" form) and the cgi actual demon (an issue determined also by the scene mounting).
I fear a similar effect about Blackheart , if they decide to make the real demon form totally cgi. Maybe just some slight modification (a tail, a menacing, growing shadow with spikes, hair moulting sometimes with spikes, Wes with Blackheart's face only when in shadow), just some hinting elements during the film would be: first, more in line with the character; second, making continuity actor/cgi; third, that would keep the real BH form for the finale (quite like...omg maybe it's unlucky said that...Spawn o_o; ).
Anyway i think BH cgi would be very effective if played in the "living shadow" theme...

I'm more for it being live action/makeup rather than totally CGI. Like Underworld for example. Most of the werewolf stuff was live action using some kickass makeup and prosthetics. LOTR might be a better example.... or HellBoy for that matter.

Although I do like the way CGI is going and I truly believe everything I see, I just like the weight of something actually tangable, ya know?

[FlameHead]

Found another bio page for Blackheart if anyone if interested...

http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=200

And here's a different look for Wes...

http://www.jupiter2.com/eo/eo_exclusive/tiff_2002_images/four_feathers_16.jpg

[Faith Jaimeson]

Hello GR folks...

I'm new here. Oh so new. And boards are not my thing. But I'm obsessively curious as to how they will manage to portray Blackheart. I've read through as much as I can... has anyone to date caught a glimpse of Bentley during takes or any whatnot?

Much appreciated!

[InVictus]

As far as i can remember someone spotted him in his stage caravan eating, but yet no one has clearly spotted him in action...maybe he was in the cemetery scene, but ours insiders where too distant.

[Melb]

Yeah I did. I was quite far away but I am pretty sure it was him, not 100% certain though. He was wearing just a trench coat with short hair. There's this other person next to him who had very big long dreadlocks. There were filming at treasury gardens.

[Abe]

from what i've heard from onlookers, the other person (you wrote of) with the dreadlocks, is peter fonda.
giddy up!

[FlameHead]

Hmmm... that seems strange. I would think that the long dreads would be Blackheart... and that would make me happy because that would mean they are making him at least similar to his comic form.

There were reports of a evil man in white w/ white hair that makes sense to me as being Fonda. We'll see though.

[FlameHead]

We've literally have heard NOTHING about this guy. Most everybody has been mentioned in one way or another except him... and he's the one I'm now most anxious to hear some news about.

[InVictus]

Humm, Mephisto does have some kind of dreadlock when in beaky mode...

[FlameHead]

Yes, yes he does.... but I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

[FlameHead]

So, we got to see some of his work. He seems okay so far (though I'm not completly blown away by the few tidbits we've seen) but I really hope we see his true form. I really do.

[hellfiremaster]

http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/JinsDangerousToys/BlackheartNewMulti.jpg

Damn nice...

HFM :ghost:

[xfan320]

pretty nice, could be a little more detailed though.

how old is it?

[BIGGUN]

pretty nice, could be a little more detailed though.

how old is it?


its pretty new....the body looks like a Marvel Legends figure.
it does look good though.
speaking of which...Blackheart will supposedly be in Marvel Legends series 13 or 14 which might be coming out early next year.

[Mr. Freeze]

Umm yeah i agree not very detailed imo.......

[Trooper]

not very detailed, and why is it that colour, black heart is meant to be darker, that one makes it look like a cross of man-thing and predator

[BrollySupersj]

Where can I buy such a creation??

[Hellcycle2000]

you can always try E-bay

http://home.comcast.net/~svgjr1975/spikes.bmp

[BIGGUN]

Where can I buy such a creation??


just wait until next year...there is supposed to be a Blackheart figure in Marvel Legends

[Mr. Freeze]

not very detailed, and why is it that colour, black heart is meant to be darker, that one makes it look like a cross of man-thing and predator

Exactly what i was thinking, i ws just watching AVP and noticed it does show some similiarities to Predator

[FlameHead]

That is a pretty damn sweet lookin' Blackheart. Makes me hope even more that they morph Wes into something at least similar to that.

[tamron]

Pretty sweet Blackheart. It seems like the main frame of reference for this custom is Capcom's sprites Blackheart from MSH and MVC2, rather than the comic version. This one is more comic styled:

http://www.toymania.com/customcorner/cc12/occult1/Blackheart.jpg

[Jolie_Desastre]

awesome :up:

[Exabyte]

http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/JinsDangerousToys/BlackheartNewMulti.jpg

Damn nice...

HFM :ghost:

looks stupid to me, his others seemed better.

[FlameHead]

Regarding the above action figure..

http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/



It's a custom action figure, fan made.

Dang nice!!

A custom eh? Dude, that guy is pretty talented. I'd like to see him do a Ghost Rider one...

[NDX]

Which he did. Which I want.

Ghost Rider: http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/JinsDangerousToys/GhostRider_Main3.jpg
Ghost Rider Close-up: http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/JinsDangerousToys/GhostRider_MainEyes1.jpg
Blackheart again: http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/JinsDangerousToys/BlackheartMulti.jpg

And he customized a Jawa. Bliss.

I wish I was a sculptor and not an illustrator sometimes.

[BrollySupersj]

I dont think this figure is real. Cause there is guy who makes custom figures and they are VERY good. And I think that is the same Blackheart he made.

[FlameHead]

Which he did. Which I want.

Ghost Rider: http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/JinsDangerousToys/GhostRider_Main3.jpg
Ghost Rider Close-up: http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/JinsDangerousToys/GhostRider_MainEyes1.jpg
Blackheart again: http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsaotome/JinsDangerousToys/BlackheartMulti.jpg

And he customized a Jawa. Bliss.

I wish I was a sculptor and not an illustrator sometimes.

Awesome, GR looks really great. That close up one is really cool. Looks like our boy is just about to give the Penance stare with thost glowing eyes.

[GNR]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/ZeppelinCometh/blackheart.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/31/index.htm

This film is looking cooler and cooler.Sorry,I couldn't find any other thread to put this in.Discuss,enjoy!

[GNR]

You GR fans are lucky.You're movie is coming out later than X3 and you guys have so many official pics already!All we have is a teaser site and punked pics,nothing official!I'm happy for you guys.

Bentley looks badass,so do his buddies.

[NDX]

Now that was pleasently surprising to see and I am really looking forward to seeing how the character transforms now. Blackheart already looks dead in that image, it is a step in the right direction. Plus Wallow and Abigor are intriguing.

[BIGGUN]

think weve seen that close up of BH before....but we havent seen Abigor and Wallow in the background. Wallow looks pretty creepy...abigors got a pimp vibe going for him...heh
now i hope that when GR and these guys finally duke it out there will be some parts where they change into their complete demon forms. would be rather boring seeing GR fight a regular looking dude the whole time. Hellboy had some really good monster fights in it....hope GR will have the same.

[zer00]

Me likey. Love how they just look DEAD. And Wallow just looks...wet.:D

[Vartha]

nice find GNR, I don't recall that pic hi res tho BG I would have made a Wall paper.

[BIGGUN]

nice find GNR, I don't recall that pic hi res tho BG I would have made a Wall paper.

hmm...i might be thinking of a screen cap from the trailer.

[RedIsNotBlue]

You GR fans are lucky.You're movie is coming out later than X3 and you guys have so many official pics already!All we have is a teaser site and punked pics,nothing official!I'm happy for you guys.

Bentley looks badass,so do his buddies.

Ghost Rider has only like 3 or 4 official pics. But I agree Fox needs to start releasing things. Great pic by the way. :up:

[Abe]

oh yeah, this is GREAT! so, SO great.
to reiterate, me likey!

[Mauser9910]

I remember seeing the same Bentley picture from the teaser. I don't like it much, it reminds me probably too much of Blade Trinity.
But I have faith his true Black Heart form will look cooler.
Dandy "vampires" :down :(

[RedIsNotBlue]

I remember seeing the same Bentley picture from the teaser. I don't like it much, it reminds me probably too much of Blade Trinity.
But I have faith his true Black Heart form will look cooler.
Dandy "vampires" :down :(

The human form is necessary. :up:

[Octoberist]

actually, i had doubts about Bentley. NOT that he couldn't do it, but I was afraid that he would of been cheesey in human form.

Actually, from this pic alone, he doesn't look that bad. It could work afterall...

[Mauser9910]

The human form is necessary. :up:
I know but they could have come up with something more original than the usual pasty faced gothic guy.
Since they presented Fonda's Mephisto as being the ultimate salesman or something, you could expect something along those lines for Black Heart's human form...
Maybe something like Tom Cruise's character in Magnolias.

[InVictus]

Damn, from the titles i hoped to see BH true form, (yet it would have been too much early ) but still this hi res pic is revealing about the make up and costumes style.
I think this is a still from the same sequence of the "teaser", when the trio steps out from the dark...probably a little later in that scene.
Wes looks really well fitted in the part, but Wallow seems very well played in that sick posture...:D

[RedIsNotBlue]

I know but they could have come up with something more original than the usual pasty faced gothic guy.
Since they presented Fonda's Mephisto as being the ultimate salesman or something, you could expect something along those lines for Black Heart's human form...
Maybe something like Tom Cruise's character in Magnolias.

Nope. He has to look evil and that's how he looks.

[FlameHead]

Finally, something. Great find.... though I do find it humorous that it wasn't one of the regular GR peeps that found it.

Anyway, those guys look freakin' awesome. I really love their costumes and how dead they all look. I can't wait to see them all in action, with and without demon form.

hmm...i might be thinking of a screen cap from the trailer.

Yeah, there is a screen cap where the 3 of them are standing in front of a train though it's nowhere near the quality of this one. You can't really see any details.

[Mauser9910]

Nope. He has to look evil and that's how he looks.

He looks like a vampire Elvis. :D ;)

[Mr Nick]

So that's where Zack de la Rocha went.

;)

[Isildur´s Heir]

This is Blackheart??

First, i had already seen it in the teaser.
Second, he looks really cool.....for a Blade movie.
Third, he doesn´t look like Blackheart at all, not even if he tries. Abigors hair look more like Blackheart then Bentley.

Now, if this is only the human form, cool.
If it is in fact Blackheart.....i don´t like it :(

[Crowley9]

Any information on who this Abigor guy is and what he does?

[RiddleMeThis?]

I've never been a heavy Ghost Rider fan, but I appreciate it as one of the better titles made circa-1990s. The characters are well designed despite the book's gothic premise.

I am also aware that Hollywood likes to take the easy/cheap way out. After seeing the above photo, I predict Blackheart won't transform at all and if so, into something cheap,easy and stupid looking. (I.E. Nick Nolte in The Hulk.)

I still think Nicholas Cage will aptly portray Johnny Blaze, though.

[The Geek Vault]

which ones which?

[Tissues]

Cool..

[Mauser9910]

This is Blackheart??

First, i had already seen it in the teaser.
Second, he looks really cool.....for a Blade movie.
Third, he doesn´t look like Blackheart at all, not even if he tries. Abigors hair look more like Blackheart then Bentley.

Now, if this is only the human form, cool.
If it is in fact Blackheart.....i don´t like it :(

Yeah, my thoughts exactly...
The real deal better look like this :
http://www.dragonhero.com/graphics/marvel2/blackheart.jpg

[Hiruu]

Hadn't this already been shown in the sneak video? He looks cool, I can imagine seeing his true form at the end for some climatic battle with GR. I’m not really knowledgeable on GR lore, but Blackheart has so many different powers, it seems nearly impossible to manifest them all…is the anything he CAN’T do?

[GNR]

Hadn't this already been shown in the sneak video? He looks cool, I can imagine seeing his true form at the end for some climatic battle with GR. I’m not really knowledgeable on GR lore, but Blackheart has so many different powers, it seems nearly impossible to manifest them all…is the anything he CAN’T do?

Alot of people haven't seen that leaked video including myself and besides,it wasn't official.

[Faith Jaimeson]

:) I'm very excited to see the pic out. (I don't post much but I read everything). I've always been a bigger fan of the villians than the heroes in any story and I was very curious to see how Wes Bentley did with one of my favorites.
I'll be disappointd if we don't see some sort of "true-form" Blackheart, but from the leaked footage and this scan I'm pleased with the vibe so far. Anxiously awaiting more pics...

[The Geek Vault]

I'm not big into GR but I do enjoy the character. I've heard people talk about blackheart transforming into his true form. But do the other two have Demon forms?

[Retroman]

No complaints here.I like the look they gave Bentley.
Thanks for pic GNR.

[BrollySupersj]

When I first read the news I thought a picture of Black Heart in full form. But I was wrong, he still looks awsome in human form.

[RedIsNotBlue]

This is Blackheart??

First, i had already seen it in the teaser.
Second, he looks really cool.....for a Blade movie.
Third, he doesn´t look like Blackheart at all, not even if he tries. Abigors hair look more like Blackheart then Bentley.

Now, if this is only the human form, cool.
If it is in fact Blackheart.....i don´t like it :(

Wow some of you guys are out of the loop. This is just Blackheart's human form so he can roam Earth. But he WILL be in his true Blackheart form towards the end of the film.

[lou2099]

What's up with that eyeliner?

[Mike_D]

I like the colors they're using for this film, I LOVE the look. Very cool.

[BURNFOREVER]

Unholy Satan!
That´s...just cool!
Really nice to see one of my biggest worries about the movie fading out: the villains.
They will be very cool.
And very bad, as it seems.
Nice work, mr. MSJ.

[Crowley9]

Really nice to see one of my biggest worries about the movie fading out: the villains.
Mephisto isn't looking too shabby either.

[Hunter Rider]

I like it a lot,yes it can be argued they look Blade-ish but that's hard to avoid with human form demon characters.
As long as the CGI on his Demon form is first class then everything should be fine in the BH department as his human look is great IMO

[FlameHead]

I don't understand these comments on how it looks Blade-ish? What does that exactly mean? Whatever it is, I have no idea how you're coming to that conclusion. It reminds me nothing of Blade.

Blackheart costume is pretty sweet actually. It reminds me of old Victorian wear but mixed with a western look. All the costumes are great in fact.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I don't understand these comments on how it looks Blade-ish? What does that exactly mean? Whatever it is, I have no idea how you're coming to that conclusion. It reminds me nothing of Blade.

Blackheart costume is pretty sweet actually. It reminds me of old Victorian wear but mixed with a western look. All the costumes are great in fact.

I think by Blade-ish they mean more of a cliche vampire look. But it looks great to me.

[FlameHead]

You see, I don't get vampire from that at all. Interesting.

[RedIsNotBlue]

You see, I don't get vampire from that at all. Interesting.

Guess it is just the pale skin. :confused:

[FlameHead]

Oh... yeah. I guess zombies, ghosts and mimes all remind them of Vampires too then eh? hehe.

[RedIsNotBlue]

"You've come to start the war. I've come to win the war." Great line. :up:

[FlameHead]

Indeed it is. The relationship between Meph and Blackheart is awesome and I think they'll do that justice in the movie... though I only get that from that line so far.

I also really love Wes's eyes man. They're so dead and his huge eyebrows really work for this character.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Indeed it is. The relationship between Meph and Blackheart is awesome and I think they'll do that justice in the movie... though I only get that from that line so far.

I also really love Wes's eyes man. They're so dead and his huge eyebrows really work for this character.

I myself was worried from the announcement of human form Blackheart but from what I saw from Wes it is looking very promising. He can certainly play the creepiness part well. From that line he comes off as pompous and arrogant and I like that.

[FlameHead]

Aye Cap'n, me too. I really like him as an actor (from American Beauty of course) and was personally thrilled when I heard he was attached. Plus, I have faith in MSJ and his directing so he'll be able to bring whatever's needed out of the actors.

You're right though, pompous and arrogant is Blackheart. I like it too!

[Uncanny Orb]

Meh they look to human.

[BIGGUN]

Meh they look to human.


i fully expected them to look 100% human for most of the film..only makes sense since if they are not trying to attract too much attention to themselves. im just hoping that when they fight GR they change to thier true demon forms which i also hope will be quite monstrous.
i can imagine that most of the cgi money will go for GR himself (and the bike)...since they should take up most of screentime.

i also guess that the dude w/ the sharp teeth (seen in the comic con trailer) is Abigor...since it looked like he had dreadlocks. i wonder if those clothes are part of the demon's actual skin...kindve like how the T-100 morphed his body to look like clothes. BH's coat has a wierd black shine to it and could actually be his skin. could also explain why Abigor has a fur trim around the collar...could be something like a mane.
just an idea though...

[Uncanny Orb]

Well the guy with the dreads should be Blackheart as he resembles Blackhearts demon form. I just think that they should barely pass a human.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well the guy with the dreads should be Blackheart as he resembles Blackhearts demon form. I just think that they should barely pass a human.

Think of their human form as a disguise because that is the point.

[FlameHead]

i fully expected them to look 100% human for most of the film..only makes sense since if they are not trying to attract too much attention to themselves. im just hoping that when they fight GR they change to thier true demon forms which i also hope will be quite monstrous.
i can imagine that most of the cgi money will go for GR himself (and the bike)...since they should take up most of screentime.

i also guess that the dude w/ the sharp teeth (seen in the comic con trailer) is Abigor...since it looked like he had dreadlocks. i wonder if those clothes are part of the demon's actual skin...kindve like how the T-100 morphed his body to look like clothes. BH's coat has a wierd black shine to it and could actually be his skin. could also explain why Abigor has a fur trim around the collar...could be something like a mane.
just an idea though...

That sounds like a solid idea to me BG. It would be much like Mystiques morphing in X-men I assume. Great thinkin' there.

I don't know anything about Abigor though. Can anyone help me out with that?

[Uncanny Orb]

Think of their human form as a disguise because that is the point.
Agree to disagree

[RedIsNotBlue]

That sounds like a solid idea to me BG. It would be much like Mystiques morphing in X-men I assume. Great thinkin' there.

I don't know anything about Abigor though. Can anyone help me out with that?

I thought MSJ was going for demons of the elements. Am I wrong?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Agree to disagree

I don't get how disguises should show characteristics of ones true form. :confused: But whatever.

[Uncanny Orb]

So Wallow shouldn't look wet then?

[RedIsNotBlue]

So Wallow shouldn't look wet then?

Ever think that the picture is after the scene where Wallow and Ghost Rider have their underwater fight??

[Uncanny Orb]

That may be but thats not what I asked. If he did appear wet through out the movie he would look better, I don't think he should walk around dripping wet but kinda damp looking. Someone immediatly identified him as Wallow from the pic because of that.
If most people were shown a picture of Blackhearts demon form first then his and Abigors human forms who do you think they would pick as Blackheart? Honestly.

[FlameHead]

I agree that Abigor's locks remind me of Blackheart's tendrils but it also does look like a mane, as BG was suggesting. I assume that BH's demon form will not be exactly like his comic version but it still might be. It all depends on how they view those tendrils. Paying homage to them would be perfect... small spikes on his head instead of long ones. Something like that.

As for Wallow, I really love that he looks like he's been soakin' in water forever. His skin looks great that way and I assume he'll always have that look, which is fine by me.

[InVictus]

The more i see the new picture the more i think BH will mantain somewhat his eyes... i think that hard makeup is a hint about BH eyes...but i fear from his costume we will get a more "smooth" version of BH demon skin....something like a snake maybe?
Abigor is way too furry to look like BH...he looks almost like Beastman of Masters of the Universe IMHO..:P

[BIGGUN]

Abigor is way too furry to look like BH...he looks almost like Beastman of Masters of the Universe IMHO..:P


just hope he isnt as stupid...lol

[craigaat]

I never was a big GR reader, but so far them guys look badass

[FlameHead]

And that's just their human form...

I'd have to warn ya about starting reading Ghost Rider though. You'll get severly hooked and will spend way too much money on it....

[FlameHead]

I just realized as well that these 2 aren't all that's in BH's army. In the comic con footage there are 2 other demons flanking Blackheart. Here's a pic.

http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/6254/1126gm.jpg

[RedIsNotBlue]

I just realized as well that these 2 aren't all that's in BH's army. In the comic con footage there are 2 other demons flanking Blackheart. Here's a pic.

http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/6254/1126gm.jpg

Scarecrow,Vengeance, Or Gressel. ;)

[BIGGUN]

has to be Gressel...other guy seems he could be Wallow.

thought you guys might find this interesting...found some info on the name Abigor. seems hes a grand duke of hell! he likes to give advice and military aid hmmm....here is the link
http://www.occultopedia.com/a/abigor.htm

he might be BH's right hand demon...

[RedIsNotBlue]

has to be Gressel...other guy seems he could be Wallow.

thought you guys might find this interesting...found some info on the name Abigor. seems hes a grand duke of hell! he likes to give advice and military aid hmmm....here is the link
http://www.occultopedia.com/a/abigor.htm

he might be BH's right hand demon...

Yeah I knew Abigor had something to do with Hell but didn't know in detail. Nice find. :up:

I still think we could possibly seeing Scarecrow. I mean in the comics he does become one of Blackheart's minions and that toy line up makes it seem very possible to me. I will add the question to the Ask MSJ thread.

[FlameHead]

Nice find indeed. I really knew nothing about Abigor and now I do. Thanks for that.

As for those two w/ Blackheart, it would be awesome if one of them is Scarecrow however, I do think it's a waste of an awesome character to have him as a minion like that... though I doubt they'd use him now that Batman did. Also with Vengeance, a waste of a character.

They look like twins to me in the pic. Anyone else?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Nice find indeed. I really knew nothing about Abigor and now I do. Thanks for that.

As for those two w/ Blackheart, it would be awesome if one of them is Scarecrow however, I do think it's a waste of an awesome character to have him as a minion like that... though I doubt they'd use him now that Batman did. Also with Vengeance, a waste of a character.

They look like twins to me in the pic. Anyone else?

Yeah thats why I said that the characters would probably be INO's.

[NDX]

As for those two w/ Blackheart, it would be awesome if one of them is Scarecrow however, I do think it's a waste of an awesome character to have him as a minion like that... though I doubt they'd use him now that Batman did. Also with Vengeance, a waste of a character.

Agree with what you there, FH. Scarecrow does not need to be dumbed down as a character. Being a minion of Blackheart from the start takes away from the appeal of the character, a psychopath that loves the fear of others, lack fear himself, has a hell of a personality, and his pitchfork.

A solution to the whole "Scarecrow was in Batman" issue is they could just let Scarecrow go as a character that was unnamed. I know, it doesn't seem right, but to get him in a movie I would accept it. I think the story would be great, a human that can go at it with Ghost Rider because of his lack of fear. Thus why I want a second movie, more for Scarecrow than Ghost Rider.

[Jin Saotome]

Ah, hehe, stumbled upon this while searching for more Blackheart pics!

If you noticed he wasn't detailed, you're right. Blackheart was indeed modelled directly after the MvC2 sprite, you can even see where his back turns from blue to purple shading. I held off on making a comic-accurate BH because of the upcoming ML 13 figure. I'll probably do a few mods on it of course, buff him up, add his green demons, and definatly make his eyes light up.

[Jin Saotome]

I keep looking at the pic and notice Wes Bently's hair is slicked back instead of forward like it is in almost all of his other movie appearances. Why back? Because Blackheart's mane of spines stick straight back. I'm betting his hair lengthens when he transforms and becomes the mane.

[FlameHead]

Hey there Jin, welcome to the Hype! Nice to see some new faces around these parts. Hopefully you'll return and chat with us often.

Great job on those figs man. I'd love to get my hands on some of those as they're all quite awesome. How long have you been makin' them?

[Kritish]

It looks awsome.

[NDX]

Welcome Jin, hope ya stick around.

Question, where did you come up with the idea for the Jawa? And what materials do you use?

[Jin Saotome]

That Jawa was actually a character in my Star Wars RPG I use to play with my friends. The story goes something like this:

After the Stormtroopers shot all the jawas, one of them although gravely wounded, survived. He crawled up into the sandcrawler, found an old medical droid lying there in the corner, and activated it. Having no proper medical equipment onboard, the droid was forced to use parts of the sandcrawler and junk the jawas had collected. Cyber-Jawa was the end result... part jawa, part driod, all hate for the empire. Using his enhancements, the Cyborg jawa created itself all sorts of destructive weaponry like microwave emitters, ion blasters, and a carbonite cannon that could freeze stormtroopers into statues. He became a bounty hunter to help finance his war against the empire, secretly helping his 'captives' escape after turning them in and getting the credits. Eventually the empire found out and revoked his liscense, but he had already learned the in's and out's of the Galactic Empires technology.

Unfortunatly we all split up after school/college and the RPs ended.... *sniff* We never got to use the Jawa more than a few times.

I know he's made of a Dr octopus tentacle from a Burgerking meal (the arm) a POTF Jawa (the large one), 5" Light-up Psylocke's kneepad, the backpack is some sort of weapon chunk from a Spawn figure, and a bunch of little parts I had lying around.

Thanks Flame-head! I've been making figures for hell... 16+ years now? I use to paint Games Workshop figures for my hobby store, then moved up to large-scale models and such. I use my modelling/painting knowledge to make my customs and have been ever since I moved to California.

[Seeker]

A penisless villain? No wonder they always try to destroy the world.

[FlameHead]

Agree with what you there, FH. Scarecrow does not need to be dumbed down as a character. Being a minion of Blackheart from the start takes away from the appeal of the character, a psychopath that loves the fear of others, lack fear himself, has a hell of a personality, and his pitchfork.

A solution to the whole "Scarecrow was in Batman" issue is they could just let Scarecrow go as a character that was unnamed. I know, it doesn't seem right, but to get him in a movie I would accept it. I think the story would be great, a human that can go at it with Ghost Rider because of his lack of fear. Thus why I want a second movie, more for Scarecrow than Ghost Rider.

I hope they don't use anything about the character of Scarecrow in this first movie. This INO stuff is really annoying sometimes. I'm hoping that they'll just use lesser known demons or out of the marvel universe demon names as Blackhearts army... though it does seem from the comic con footage that Blackout may be there as well. That's just a hunch though of course.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I hope they don't use anything about the character of Scarecrow in this first movie. This INO stuff is really annoying sometimes. I'm hoping that they'll just use lesser known demons or out of the marvel universe demon names as Blackhearts army... though it does seem from the comic con footage that Blackout may be there as well. That's just a hunch though of course.

Well putting consideration in the use of Scarecrow in Batman Begins I doubt we would see a faithful version in Ghost Rider. Now the question. Would you rather not see him at all or SINO? I think they could still pull off Scarecrow just by taking away the fear aspect. He still has a lot of abilities besides that.

[FlameHead]

Thanks Flame-head! I've been making figures for hell... 16+ years now? I use to paint Games Workshop figures for my hobby store, then moved up to large-scale models and such. I use my modelling/painting knowledge to make my customs and have been ever since I moved to California.

You can certainly tell that you have tonnes of experience creating them. They look great. I look forward to updates on new ones. Be sure to let us know.

[FlameHead]

I'd personally rather to not see him at all over a SINO.

[webhead731]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/ZeppelinCometh/blackheart.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/31/index.htm

This film is looking cooler and cooler.Sorry,I couldn't find any other thread to put this in.Discuss,enjoy!

Man, that scares the crap out of me!:eek:


:up:It's nice though. I can't wait for this movie.

[FlameHead]

You and me both Webhead. By the way, it's good to see you around our little section here. Visit more often, why don't cha.

[webhead731]

You and me both Webhead. By the way, it's good to see you around our little section here. Visit more often, why don't cha.

Thanks FlameHead! Yeah, I will now. I'm a fan of Ghost Rider, I can't wait to see the trailer. I can't find it. I tried watching it the night it was put on the internet, but all I got was sound. Do you know a good website that has it? If so, thanks. I'll visit more often now I'm seeing some pictures. Sometime early next year, I'll start visiting the X-Men 3 boards too. I'm also excited for that movie. Lately, I've just been visiting the Spider-Man 3 boards, and the Fantastic Four boards.
By the way, about the new villains picture from Ghost Rider up there, is the one on the right Wallow? He creeps me out the most. The guy on the left is the second creepiest, and Blackheart is creepy, but he looks really cool.
What does Wallow do? Doesn't he take over someones body and make that person kill himself? I'm a fan of Ghost Rider, and I have alot of the comicbooks, but I don't know a whole lot about all the characters.
Can someone help me out please? Thanks!

And thanks for the invitation FlameHead!:D:up:

[RedIsNotBlue]

Thanks FlameHead! Yeah, I will now. I'm a fan of Ghost Rider, I can't wait to see the trailer. I can't find it. I tried watching it the night it was put on the internet, but all I got was sound. Do you know a good website that has it? If so, thanks. I'll visit more often now I'm seeing some pictures. Sometime early next year, I'll start visiting the X-Men 3 boards too. I'm also excited for that movie. Lately, I've just been visiting the Spider-Man 3 boards, and the Fantastic Four boards.
By the way, about the new villains picture from Ghost Rider up there, is the one on the right Wallow? He creeps me out the most. The guy on the left is the second creepiest, and Blackheart is creepy, but he looks really cool.
What does Wallow do? Doesn't he take over someones body and make that person kill himself? I'm a fan of Ghost Rider, and I have alot of the comicbooks, but I don't know a whole lot about all the characters.
Can someone help me out please? Thanks!

And thanks for the invitation FlameHead!:D:up:

All we know about Wallow at this point is that he is a water demon.

[FlameHead]

Thanks FlameHead! Yeah, I will now. I'm a fan of Ghost Rider, I can't wait to see the trailer. I can't find it. I tried watching it the night it was put on the internet, but all I got was sound. Do you know a good website that has it? If so, thanks. I'll visit more often now I'm seeing some pictures. Sometime early next year, I'll start visiting the X-Men 3 boards too. I'm also excited for that movie. Lately, I've just been visiting the Spider-Man 3 boards, and the Fantastic Four boards.
By the way, about the new villains picture from Ghost Rider up there, is the one on the right Wallow? He creeps me out the most. The guy on the left is the second creepiest, and Blackheart is creepy, but he looks really cool.
What does Wallow do? Doesn't he take over someones body and make that person kill himself? I'm a fan of Ghost Rider, and I have alot of the comicbooks, but I don't know a whole lot about all the characters.
Can someone help me out please? Thanks!

And thanks for the invitation FlameHead!:D:up:

Yeah, wallow is a water demon. What exactly he can do, we're not sure yet. I think he sends a tidal wave or something at Ghost Rider at some point, hoping to extinguish his flames... which, of course, doesn't work.

As for the trailer/comic-con footage, there is a thread here that has a lot of links to it; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190969

Or, if you want to find it easier, Upcoming Horror movies has it posted on their site though, incorrectly labelled as the trailer... even after me writting them and sayin' that it's the Comic Con footage. Sheesh.
http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movies/ghostrider.php

[RedIsNotBlue]

Yeah, wallow is a water demon. What exactly he can do, we're not sure yet. I think he sends a tidal wave or something at Ghost Rider at some point, hoping to extinguish his flames... which, of course, doesn't work.]

Woah. Where did you hear this? I heard that Ghost Rider will be underwater at some point but not this.

[FlameHead]

Woah. Where did you hear this? I heard that Ghost Rider will be underwater at some point but not this.

It was revealed by Avi a while back that this would happen. Check out this thread for the info: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183591

[RedIsNotBlue]

It was revealed by Avi a while back that this would happen. Check out this thread for the info: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183591

Haha I guess I missed that.

[FlameHead]

YOU missed something? Thought that could never happen.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well on occasion when I read something my mind is somewhere else so sometimes I might just forget I read things. It's weird. I remember reading it but I just don't recall the tidal wave part just the last sentence.

[FlameHead]

I know exactly what you mean. Not totally the same but, I used to work in a Call Center (Never again. NEVER) and when I was on the phones helpin' people with the internet (Comcast), I used to post here on the hype. A lot of the times the people were talkin' away to me and I'd be like, yup, that's right, uh-huh and not actually be hearing them.

"So, Steve, should I stick this knife in the electrical socket"

"Uh-Huh".

Hehe, of course, most of the time, I would want the friggers to do that cuz they'd drive me nuts. Not all of the costumers of course...

[Mr Nick]

I know exactly what you mean. Not totally the same but, I used to work in a Call Center (Never again. NEVER) and when I was on the phones helpin' people with the internet (Comcast), I used to post here on the hype. A lot of the times the people were talkin' away to me and I'd be like, yup, that's right, uh-huh and not actually be hearing them.

"So, Steve, should I stick this knife in the electrical socket"

"Uh-Huh".

Hehe, of course, most of the time, I would want the friggers to do that cuz they'd drive me nuts. Not all of the costumers of course...

LOL.

On a totally different note, how did Dracula go? Did you get good reviews?

:confused:

[webhead731]

I saw the trailer! RedIsNotBlue gave it to me! Thanks! It was freakin' cool! I noticed on one part, Johnny Blaze was in the Ghost Rider uniform sitting on top of his bike in shallow water. [They'll probaly add the flaming skull later.] Then Wallow jumped out of the water towards Johnny and I think Wallow missed. Then you see a close up of Wallow in the water! :D :D It was really cool! Thanks to everyone who helped me out with the trailer, and who Wallow is! :D

[webhead731]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/ZeppelinCometh/blackheart.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/31/index.htm

This film is looking cooler and cooler.Sorry,I couldn't find any other thread to put this in.Discuss,enjoy! Now, who is this dude on the right? I know he's some demon.

[Uncanny Orb]

Wallow.

[webhead731]

Wallow. Dang it! Left I meant left! LOL! So who is that?

[BIGGUN]

Dang it! Left I meant left! LOL! So who is that?

the dude w/ the dredlocks? im taking a guess that its Abigor....

[webhead731]

the dude w/ the dredlocks? im taking a guess that its Abigor.... Abigor? What's he do? That's a cool name.

[BIGGUN]

Abigor? What's he do? That's a cool name.


not a clue...hes a new character made for the movie. i dont recall the name being used in the comics but i could be wrong.
Abigor is an old name that was used in demon mythology...he is supposedly a "Grand Duke of Hell" and is often giving military aid/advice.
here is a link if interested: http://www.occultopedia.com/a/abigor.htm

[redisnotbrown]

Bentley must be a moron

he's the guy who rejected Spiderman

grade A moron for doing that!

[RedIsNotBlue]

Bentley must be a moron

he's the guy who rejected Spiderman

grade A moron for doing that!

Why are you sweating my name?

[FlameHead]

not a clue...hes a new character made for the movie. i dont recall the name being used in the comics but i could be wrong.
Abigor is an old name that was used in demon mythology...he is supposedly a "Grand Duke of Hell" and is often giving military aid/advice.
here is a link if interested: http://www.occultopedia.com/a/abigor.htm

That link had a lot of insight into what they could do with that character. Thanks for postin' it. I particularly am fond of the possibilities that Abigor has the command of 60 legons of demons. It would be interesting to see Ghost Rider fighting off hordes of lesser demons at one point... all by himself.

I also like "He knows the secrets of warfare, of the future and can instruct leaders of the ways to earn their soldiers respect". I assume this sums up the character that we'll see the movie... but that's just an assumption.

[Hellion]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/ZeppelinCometh/blackheart.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/31/index.htm

This film is looking cooler and cooler.Sorry,I couldn't find any other thread to put this in.Discuss,enjoy!

Looking good. Can't wait...:ghost: :up:

[Hellstormer]

I want a big, creepy, spikey, navy, demonic, CGI, Blackheart :(

[Toxin66]

I can see Blackheart in a final showdown with Ghost Rider and Ghost Rider knocks him across the room. as he gets up, he starts to pull in the shadows around him, thus transforming him into the Blackheart we all know and love!

[Kritish]

What the hell !?

He looks like a frikin goth !

What ever happend to him looking like mix between alien an predator ?

This is how he's supposed to look...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackheart

[RedIsNotBlue]

What the hell !?

He looks like a frikin goth !

What ever happend to him looking like mix between alien an predator ?

This is how he's supposed to look...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackheart

Go read the Ask MSJ threads.

[FlameHead]

Somebody with some manip talents should really try and create a Wes Bently as Blackheart...

[webhead731]

Here's one I did in PhotoShop. Yeah, it sucks. I don't know how to do everything in PhotoShop yet.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/Blackheartmanip.jpg

[Hellstormer]

Ewwww creepy

[FlameHead]

Creepy indeed. Nice job there Webhead!

[Mr Nick]

Hope you don't mind, Webhead, but I had a little play around with your pic. Blackheart's got such a good look, I think they could do something pretty close to how he looks in the comics without it seeming silly.

Reminds me of The Keep actually!

:up:

http://www.lawsonj.plus.com/GRpics/Blackheartmanip.jpg

[webhead731]

Hope you don't mind, Webhead, but I had a little play around with your pic. Blackheart's got such a good look, I think they could do something pretty close to how he looks in the comics without it seeming silly.

Reminds me of The Keep actually!

:up:

http://www.lawsonj.plus.com/GRpics/Blackheartmanip.jpg

I like what you did there. Good job.:):up:

[Hellstormer]

$5 says they don't have the spikes and he's just a shadowy man with red eyes

[webhead731]

$5 says they don't have the spikes and he's just a shadowy man with red eyes

Ow, that could happen. I hope they don't do that.

[Hellstormer]

I don't want to see that either but that's probaly how it's gonna be.

[str8raz0r]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/ZeppelinCometh/blackheart.jpg


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0510/31/index.htm

This film is looking cooler and cooler.Sorry,I couldn't find any other thread to put this in.Discuss,enjoy!

Looking at the "thematic" appearances of the characters, one could imagine that Abigor is a demon representing a more "feral," hunter aspect. The fur trim, the dreads...all look very leonine. I'm sure that MSJ and company will take artistic license with the facets of a demon in order to make the film more exciting.

[FlameHead]

Yes, I'm sure we have no worries that.

You're probably right about Abigor but, it all depends again on how MSJ takes the lore of that demon. The information online leads to many options really and where it's not a Marvel character (that I know of) he has no preconsieved notions on where to take him.

Either way, I'm sure we wont be dissapointed.

[Toxin66]

is it possible to focus on Abigor's left hand and define his fingers more? i was just looking, and i am not saying my eyes sight is all that great, but does Abigor have claws?
if anyone could zoom in and outline the hand so we can tell, maybe that would add to the Animalistic notion of what kind of demon he is......

[FlameHead]

Yup, it sure does look like claws. Reminds me of Sabretooth a little.

This demon is definatly the animal of the pack, so it seems. This pic is quite feral as well...

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9711/1392cm.jpg

[Hellstormer]

I see the claw also, good eye Toxin

[FlameHead]

I'm really anxious to see all these guys in their demon form... however, I think I'd rather wait until actually seeing the movie to see those forms. There's some things that we need to have as surprises eh? Having said that, I wouldn't complain if a few shots of them demonized were in a trailer or something.

[BIGGUN]

I wouldn't complain if a few shots of them demonized were in a trailer or something.


y'know...they might go the opposite route of revealing the demons in the trailer. its possible they will show GR in his full glory in the trailer while not showing the villain demons true forms until you go see the movie. would be a nice little "bonus" for people who expected GR to fight just ordinary looking dudes when suddenly they change into their true appearance.
the look of GR will obviously will have to be the major selling point of the movie (other than Cage being in the lead) so it would make sense for them to capitalize on that as much as possible.

also those "claws" on Abigor look more like leather gloves w/ the fingers removed. but i do agree it gives it a claw like appearance and possible gives more hints to his real look

[str8raz0r]

I'm really anxious to see all these guys in their demon form... however, I think I'd rather wait until actually seeing the movie to see those forms. There's some things that we need to have as surprises eh? Having said that, I wouldn't complain if a few shots of them demonized were in a trailer or something.

I 100% agree w/ FlameHead on this one. We all know what Blackheart looks like (I can't remember what Wallow looks like to save my life), but there's still the "money shot" aspect of finally seeing him live and onscreen.

If they want to show a "transformation" snippet in the trailer, that would be cooler than a full-bore creature shot. Save me some cool bits for my 9.50, thank you very much!

[Hellstormer]

I 100% agree w/ FlameHead on this one. We all know what Blackheart looks like (I can't remember what Wallow looks like to save my life), but there's still the "money shot" aspect of finally seeing him live and onscreen.

If they want to show a "transformation" snippet in the trailer, that would be cooler than a full-bore creature shot. Save me some cool bits for my 9.50, thank you very much!I 110% agree with both of u, but I think they should end the preview with Blackheart walking across a room while shadows are being pulled onto him then throw on the title.

[Toxin66]

maybe through the whole trailer we see glimpses of Ghost Rider's skull/flames, very quick glimpses..then, at the end of the trailer, there is a slight pause of black with a voice-over saying " Face Me Rider!", and then it cuts to the Back of GR's head as he is turning it around and we get the money shot of his face as he looks up, then a quick cut to a wide shot like 10ft behind GR as he is watching the shadows all come together in front of him, with a pair of red eyes in the center..........if i got something like that, i think i would die a happy man....

[Hellstormer]

maybe through the whole trailer we see glimpses of Ghost Rider's skull/flames, very quick glimpses..then, at the end of the trailer, there is a slight pause of black with a voice-over saying " Face Me Rider!", and then it cuts to the Back of GR's head as he is turning it around and we get the money shot of his face as he looks up, then a quick cut to a wide shot like 10ft behind GR as he is watching the shadows all come together in front of him, with a pair of red eyes in the center..........if i got something like that, i think i would die a happy man.... If you died you wouldn't get to see the movie.

[Toxin66]

well, if i died, i would probably be going to hell, and you know the movie will have a special screening down there. lol

[Hellstormer]

Nah I been there(after all I am the Son of Satan) they only show stuff after it gets on video :down

[Robot Komakino]

are blakhearts friends made up for the movie or are they in the comics ? if so could someone post some pics of them ?

[str8raz0r]

are blakhearts friends made up for the movie or are they in the comics ? if so could someone post some pics of them ?

Wallow (the wet-looking gentleman) was originally in the comics, IIRC. Abigor (dreadlocks) is made for the movie.

As for pics, I'm having a helluva time trying to find ANYTHING for Wallow.

Anyone?

[RedIsNotBlue]

Well Abigor isn't made up but he isn't from the comics.

[BIGGUN]

Wallow isnt either...just his name is taken from the comics.
here is some info from the online GR encyclopedia:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/8713/ghost14.html

"Wallow is a creature that thrives on human misery, and causes them to commit suicide. Once he was a man who accidentally killed his wife. Not being able to live with himself he tried to kill his kids and himself, but only succeeded in killing himself. Now Wallow works for Blackheart as a spirit of vengeance."

in the comics Wallow was composed of a watery, black fluid w/ a doll's face attached to where Wallow's own face should be.
i doubt that will be his true shape in the movie though...

[Hellstormer]

A quick google image search of Abigor gave me this pic.http://media.bestprices.com/content/music/40/395542.jpgIt's not from the comics but I guess this is the regular demon.

[Robot Komakino]

thanks alot for the information

[Jin Saotome]

I need to know what the end result is for Blackie dangit! Wes can't duke it out with GR just wearing a suit and loafers... I mean c'mon. Someone dig me up some sketches, control art, anything movie related to BH, heh.

[NDX]

Many of us had been asking this question for a long damn time now. I've been looking to see what the movie BH is going to be for a while now, I want to give that thing a go with some pen and ink.

[BIGGUN]

MSJ had said we will a quick glimpse of what BH and Mephisto would look like the trailer which will be probably be out in Feb 06 i guess.
they might keep the villain's true appearance secret until the movie hits but show off GR in trailers and such. kindve like what they did w/ King Kong

[FlameHead]

The overall look of the film is very appealing so far and I can imagine that the villians will blend into that nicely.

The question about Blackheart is will be be clothed or not?

[NDX]

The question about Blackheart is will be be clothed or not?

As well drawn as Blackheart was drawn with a suit or tuxedo on, he should probably be in full demon form with a body similar to what J.R., Jr. designed for him. That's the image I fall back on when I think of the character. And I don't even think of Hearts of Darkness, but rather his debut in Daredevil. The cover of Daredevil 272 (I believe, I can't find the comic at the moment) still sticks in my mind whenever I think of Blackheart.

Plus it would look much more imposing that if he wore some form of clothing. I think, unless it is spectacularly designed to the point of flawlessness, clothing would really take away from the overall impact of the character.

[screenamesuck]

Like these....

http://tinypic.com/j7dmys.jpg
http://tinypic.com/j7dn6d.jpg
http://tinypic.com/j7dohs.jpg

[Advanced Dark]

MSJ had said we will a quick glimpse of what BH and Mephisto would look like the trailer which will be probably be out in Feb 06 i guess.
they might keep the villain's true appearance secret until the movie hits but show off GR in trailers and such. kindve like what they did w/ King Kong

I really don't want to see any more footage till Summer since we're not going to see the movie till 2007. Unless they move it again. I'm actually hoping they don't reveal stuff like that at all. I hate trailers nowadays that basically give away all the best scenes, the best lines, and occasionally reveal plot twists, and the ending of the film. A teaser & even a trailer should just go over the basic premise. Dont' you hate seeing a trailer for a movie over and over for weeks where they show the best scenes or best one liners and then when you watch the movie everyone is waiting for it and we're already numb to it.

[NDX]

Like these....
http://tinypic.com/j7dohs.jpg

Yep, that be the cover. Man, I really should finish the image I started using that as a reference 3 years ago.

[Mr Nick]

I really don't want to see any more footage till Summer since we're not going to see the movie till 2007. Unless they move it again. I'm actually hoping they don't reveal stuff like that at all. I hate trailers nowadays that basically give away all the best scenes, the best lines, and occasionally reveal plot twists, and the ending of the film. A teaser & even a trailer should just go over the basic premise. Dont' you hate seeing a trailer for a movie over and over for weeks where they show the best scenes or best one liners and then when you watch the movie everyone is waiting for it and we're already numb to it.

Couldn't agree more. I felt the Superman Returns and X-Men 3 teasers were more like short trailers. Ghost Rider's was much more like it: tantalisingly brief and gave very little away.

:ghost:

[WolvieRoguey]

The images I've seen of Wes Bentley as Blackheart stray a bit from the comics version, but I think that's a good thing. Wes Bentley is THE perfect villian for many films. He has a natural brooding quality that most of these comic films lack.

It's also good to see him back in mainstream films. I can only recall him in "Four Feathers" last time he was in mainstream. Totally underrated and I hope to see more Bentley in the future.

By the way, as time goes on I'm going to want to open a WesBentley/Blackheart appreciation thread. If no one minds, I won't be doing it today but in the future. thanks! :)

[FlameHead]

There is already some Wes Bently Threads and Blackheart threads kicking around, mainly this one; http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157664

However, if you want to start a Wes Bently/Blackheart Appreciation thread (Pics/News Welcome), like the Mephisto one, I don't see that being a problem, considering the current thread is pretty old and I'll just get it merged anyway. I was gonna go ahead and make it for you but figured it was something you wanted to do and will leave you to it. Try and make the title as similar to the Mephisto one as possible please, just to keep things organized.

I like teasers and trailers. I understand what you guys are talking about but, I've come to really appreciate what a teaser/trailer does. It's an artwork all to it's own and is important for the promotion process.

[FlameHead]

Somebody was talkin' about Blackheart earlier. Sorry, can't remember who. Here's one of the threads I was mentionin...

[Jin Saotome]

Watched the GR trailer... tell me that wasn't that Wes bently in the cathedral or whatever, and his face morphing into sharp teeth and solid black eyes?

[Isildur´s Heir]

Yes, it was

[zer00]

Yes. But it was actually behind the scenes footage of Wes Bentley...being Wes Bentley

[Jin Saotome]

*ahem* "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.......

[zer00]

...k

[screenamesuck]

and why is this a bad thing????

[Toxin66]

reminded me of Dracula from Van Helsing...but it works

[BIGGUN]

and why is this a bad thing????


im guessing because its beginning to appear that movie BH wont look like the comic version ... since the comic character has no mouth and red eyes.
im withholding making any comments though until we see a full on pic of the character...cant make any judgements since that is just the start of his transformation.

[zer00]

Yeah it's just the start. The black is coming out of his mouth so it must take over. Though he'll probobly have a mouth.

[Jin Saotome]

Hmmm, didn't notice that at first, like black symbiotic goo.

And yeah, what sense would it have to make GR look almost exactly like he does in the book (excluding his bike) and then make Blackheart some dracula-looking toothy thing? Blackheart as he appears in the comics would be scary as hell in the movie!

[InVictus]

I think BH in the movie is gonna look something between comic BH and comic blackout, since he's got also his powers...so maybe a BlackHeart with sharp teeths and black eyes?

[screenamesuck]

I haven't been dissapointed yet, so his look will probably look fine to me.

[str8raz0r]

It looked less like teeth to me, and more like tendrils snaking their way out of his mouth.

I have a feeling that BH will look more "sinewy" than his comic counterpart, with little ropey fibers all over his body...but we'll see, I suppose.

[xwolverine2]

i didnt even notice......



or care.. just as long as it looks like something ive never seen before

[Abe]

Maybe the studio is holding off revealing the look of Wes and Peter's characters, this early in the game.
Personally for me there's nothing worse than seeing the entire movie in the trailers.
Bring on Feb 16! :)
Abe.

[Mr Nick]

Yup. Hints and teases are all I want from the trailers. I want them to save the full awesome reveals for the movie.

:)

[webhead731]

Cap I took from the trailer a few weeks ago.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/Blackheart04.jpg

[Abe]

I think the guy could do with an Altoid!

[screenamesuck]

As long as he looks close to the comic version i'll be happy. He doesn't have to look exactly like it.
http://i6.tinypic.com/11tr50y.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11tr60k.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/11tr7ly.gif
http://i5.tinypic.com/11tr97c.gif
http://i6.tinypic.com/11trbme.gif

[ShadowBoxing]

Hmmm, didn't notice that at first, like black symbiotic goo.

And yeah, what sense would it have to make GR look almost exactly like he does in the book (excluding his bike) and then make Blackheart some dracula-looking toothy thing? Blackheart as he appears in the comics would be scary as hell in the movie!They should just have you scupt the costume, your figure of him is damn good....I bet you read the Nocenti DareDevil run don't you.

[Tad Fatherton]

Cap I took from the trailer a few weeks ago.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/Blackheart04.jpg

thats creepy. i had a nightmare once where i was being held down by this guy who had maggots for teeth and this is bringing back bad memories.

[ShadowBoxing]

Cap I took from the trailer a few weeks ago.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/Blackheart04.jpgWell he may look like Mephisto black then, the eyes and mouth suggest as much

[Mr Nick]

That's pretty damn creepy.

:eek:

[Leon_0]

Cap I took from the trailer a few weeks ago.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/Blackheart04.jpgIf Thats Blacheart, then whos the guy In a long trenchcoat, facial hair and Long black hair, I think I saw him in a pic standing next to him ^ and thought he'd be blackheart, cause of the long hair resemblance to his head.

[webhead731]

I think you're talking about Abigor. He's like the leader of Hell's army.

[citizenpain]

msj has said that throughout the movie, blackheart will constantly be changing. we'll mostly see him in sort of a human form at first, but by the end of the movie, he will be a full blown demon. i'm guessing that shot of him from the trailer is part of the transformation.

[HighVoltage]

Cap I took from the trailer a few weeks ago.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/Webhead731/Blackheart04.jpg

Cool!!!!:up::up::ghost::ghost:

[Jin Saotome]

Hmmm... guess I'll just have to wait. I'm sure we'll have pics of the full demon 'modes' of the characters before the movie actually hits, we always do.

[screenamesuck]

I actually don't think we will see Blackheart in full form until it is released. They don't wanna ruin everything.

[Saint]

Didn't MSJ say he has a sort of vampiric form, and a second form more like Blackheart? Or am I remembering incorrectly?

[Saint]

Ah, here it is: "Yes. You'll see flashes of it in the trailer coming out. We manage to honor the spirit of their comic look while making it work for the film. Really spooky and cool. I think it's going to be amazing, especially Blackheart's final evolved state by the end of the film!"

[str8raz0r]

I think comic Blackheart can translate VERY well to the big screen, with a little big of additional "texture" to make the character more visually appealing. Kinda like Spidey's raised webbing in the movies.

In the comics, BH is just a big black humanoid shape with little texture, which works well for artists to draw, but could certainly turn into a pain when you bring him to the big screen, especially in a heavily night-based movie. So long as he has the dreads and the tail, I'll be happy.

[screenamesuck]

It's funny how people complain about Grace being way to small to play Venom but I haven't really heard any complaining about Bentley being Blackheart. He's not much bigger than Grace is and both characters they are playing are huge. I don't understand why people complain about it actually. I'm sure once grace turns into Venom he suit will add on the extra weight lol, so I'm sure Blackheart will be the same.

[str8raz0r]

It's funny how people complain about Grace being way to small to play Venom but I haven't really heard any complaining about Bentley being Blackheart. He's not much bigger than Grace is and both characters they are playing are huge. I don't understand why people complain about it actually. I'm sure once grace turns into Venom he suit will add on the extra weight lol, so I'm sure Blackheart will be the same.

If I'm remembering correctly, when BH was in human form, he wasn't a particularly huge dude. BH in "monster mode" is rather huge by comparison, and I'm sure will be achieved w/ CGI and some prosthetics.

Or maybe we're just not a bunch of crybabies who obsess over the tiniest detail..."OMG! Johnny Blaze was blonde not brunette! MSJ is the worst director ever!"

No offense to the SM boards, but some of those people wouldn't be happy unless the movies cost $7 billion and were 8 hours long apiece. Seriously, the "Topher Grace as Venom" argument is so completely absurd.

That's why I love you guys!

[FlameHead]

Damn, I really missed a great coversation here didn't I?

I was really excited to see the part in question in the trailer as it did a couple of things for me. First and foremost, it gave us a taste of the supernatural element of the flick, which is highly important. Second; it gave us just a little confirmation that BlackHeart will indeed be changing into demon form in this movie (not that I didn't believe MSJ when he said so) which was a deep concern of mine during the development of the movie. It's very had to tell what the final transformation is going to look like or even if it'll be more than what we've seen but, I'm happy that he is going to at least show the demon.

Personally, I think the stuff coming out of his mouth is in fact the start of his transformation and I don't think it's teeth we see. The question is how close the transformation will be to the comics... and how much the fans really care.

[hpwiz89]

:eek: That is a creepy picture.:eek:

[Jin Saotome]

Kickass... just checked up on this thread and didn't know MSJ mentioned a 'final evolved state', cool! I mean if he's threatening Mephisto enough for him to get worried, he has to look baddass.