Optimus Prime A FIRE TRUCK!?

[Cold2daToucH004]

Please, somebody... tell me thats only a rumor. Tell me its fake. Sorry if this is old, and has been discussed... I haven't been on the boards much lately.

PLEASE, just one person, tell me that isn't true.

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8127/

[DorkyFresh]

okay....



....turning Optimus into a firetruck is pushing it. i'm not the biggest Transformers fan but Optimus has ALWAYS been a big rig (at least when he was a vehicle)! if that scoop is true i'll be SEVERLY disappointed...

[BlazingBread]

Well during attack of the shows feed session earlier today they also said he was a firetruck and starscream was the police car.

[deathshead2]

I don't think its true besides they had a big rig at the SDCC now why would they go to all that trouble of getting that in there and not make him a big rig.

[Cold2daToucH004]

Well... I will be pretty pissed it this has truth to it. If not, then yippie.

[Chaos Bringer]

y'know, much like other comic fans moan and groan about changes...
adaptations. adaptations.
Learn the word well. No one ever said it was going to be a direct Translation. So, expect changes and that's that.

[muscaremy]

direct translation or not prime MUST be a big rig of some kind...not a fire truck....INFERNO is the fire truck

[Cold2daToucH004]

y'know, much like other comic fans moan and groan about changes...
adaptations. adaptations.
Learn the word well. No one ever said it was going to be a direct Translation. So, expect changes and that's that.
Listen man, I'm a huge fan... no doubt. I don't moan and groan about much. The superman suit.. I'm ok with. Spidey flicks, great movies. X-Men, awesome. I'm the one who always tells the annoying fans to relax.

Now that I gave you a quick history check about myself, let me explains something. Making Optimus Prime a fire truck is a HUGE mistake. You should never tamper with the leader, the main man. Now is this something I'll have to live with? Yes, will I want to? No. I doubt hes gonna be a fire-truck, but if he is, I'm gonna be pretty damn angry. Everyone knows him as that 'semi truck' one. This would be a very bad move.

[zanos]

Maybe they're doing a firetruck because it makes more sense for it to be red.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Please, somebody... tell me thats only a rumor. Tell me its fake. Sorry if this is old, and has been discussed... I haven't been on the boards much lately.

PLEASE, just one person, tell me that isn't true.

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8127/


Not true. Trust me.

[zer00]

y'know, much like other comic fans moan and groan about changes...
adaptations. adaptations.
Learn the word well. No one ever said it was going to be a direct Translation. So, expect changes and that's that.

there's a difference between a ****ing adaption and direct adaption

Doing half the **** they're doing with this movie is like what happened with LXG. And alot of people said the same thing you did there too.


I of course don't think this is true and just a BS rumor. People have already seen concept art that Prime is a semi. Blue...but a semi

[Chaos Bringer]

Like what happened with Punisher?

kidding.

I dunno. Adapting is what it is and if a director and producer have a vision to follow and some kind of continuity is messed with to keep the flow going, they usually do.

I'd like Prime to be a semi too. If he was a firetruck I'd deal with it.

[Denny67]

What I don't get is why they would use this promo at the 2005 San Diego Comic Con if they were changing Prime's design?


http://www.crushcounty.com/con2005/images/Con%202005/19_prime.JPG

http://www.cinematical.com/images/2005/07/transformersplate.jpg
Looks like good ole Optimus Prime to me.

[ComicKoryn]

I hope they choose not to do the Firetruck, if it's even an option they're thinking of pursuing. Although, if they did do a firetruck Optimus, I wouldn't be too upset, considering how they had him as a firetruck in that one animated show that came out a little while ago. He didn't look bad as a fire truck then, so who knows.

That being said though, the purist inside me still pushes for the red semi. I mean, of all the movies they could do, Transformers has to be the one where changing around a lot of stuff just wouldn't work. For the most part, I would think that Transformers might be one of the easiest shows/comics to bring to film form, considering how it was such an epic set of shows/comics. Honestly, Hollywood doesn't need to change much to make Transformers rock.

[Arcturus]

Imagine how awesome it would be if Optimus Primer were an icecream truck or something?

He could transform, instead of the usual transforming sound, icecream music would play!

[Destructicus]

I have read so much **** that I cant tell if its fake or not and I'm fed up with it. Megs an alien jet, starscream a police car, Soundwave a midget and we cant even have Spike be called Spike. Now Optimus a ****ing firetruck. If all of this is true then this film will suck. They cannot do this film if its based of off the Robots in Disguise cartoon show from a few years ago.

[CFlash]

I really don't know how you can draw the line. Bumblebee can be a hot-rod but Prime can't be a firetruck? Why one and not the other? How do you guys justify that? You can have a Decepticon car straight out the bag despite the fact that none existed until the Stunticons, which was a special watershed sort of storyline (finally the "arial" Decepticons meet the Autobots on the road). All these guys can change what they transform into at will (huh?). (<insert countless "re-imaginings" here>)

I highly doubt the firetruck rumor is real. But, if it is, I don't see why anyone should be shocked.

[Hunter Rider]

Prime may not be a snub nose or Red but he won't be a fire truck from what ive read

[zer00]

Like what happened with Punisher?



You mean be good?:confused:

[Cinemaman]

Prime may not be a snub nose or Red but he won't be a fire truck from what ive read

I hope you are right.

[WalkingDead]

If he's a fire truck, he could STILL have his classic look and give off the Prime vibe. A big-ass fire truck is still a large, powerful truck. I don't believe this to be true, but if it is...it's not that bad.

I'm to the point I'm up for about anything, as long as I get a good movie with good acting, a decent to great plot, and great CGI TF's.

[LobokDaikon]

Maybe they're doing a firetruck because it makes more sense for it to be red.

More likely to be red, maybe, but a red semi makes as much sense as any other colour.

[The Only Woj]

making Optimus a fire truck would be the "making Batman gay" of the 21st century

[ragdus]

Making him a fire truck would be no big deal if you could remove your boyhood emotions for a half-second.

I'd like him to have that classic look. But I'd also prefer not to see a rig that looks 20 years old, like every single COE rig does nowadays.

Firetrucks have taken on a much more heroic feel post-9/11 for those people who lacked appreciation for the firemen of this country prior to that. It's a large heroic vehicle, and it's bright red. Sounds good to me.

When he goes robot, if I look and think "that's Optimus Prime", then I'll be happy.

[Arcturus]

In my personal opinion, I hope they keep him as a semi-truck.

[ragdus]

So do I actually. I'm just saying it's not some colossal gaffe if they don't.

[Jochimus]

Optimus as a fire truck wouldn't really bother me, since he's been a fire truck in two of the last four shows (RID and Cybertron), and it's still a big red truck. And from the onset the filmmakers have approached this as a 'reimagining' of G1 rather than actually G1-based.

[WalkingDead]

Making him a fire truck would be no big deal if you could remove your boyhood emotions for a half-second.

I'd like him to have that classic look. But I'd also prefer not to see a rig that looks 20 years old, like every single COE rig does nowadays.

Firetrucks have taken on a much more heroic feel post-9/11 for those people who lacked appreciation for the firemen of this country prior to that. It's a large heroic vehicle, and it's bright red. Sounds good to me.

When he goes robot, if I look and think "that's Optimus Prime", then I'll be happy.



Optimus as a fire truck wouldn't really bother me, since he's been a fire truck in two of the last four shows (RID and Cybertron), and it's still a big red truck. And from the onset the filmmakers have approached this as a 'reimagining' of G1 rather than actually G1-based.

I agree with both of you totally.

[Hunter Rider]

I like the mentality of these last few posts:up:

[Arcturus]

I like the mentality of these last few posts:up:

Agreed, it's nice to see some well thought out ideas, rather then;

OMFG HOWE DAIR THEY CHAINGE OPTIMOS PR1ME TO A FIER ENGINE TRUCK LOL OMG! G1 ALL TEH WAY! LOL!

My thoughts;

I'd rather they keep Optimus as a semi-truck, but if, and I say IF, they change his vehicle mode to a fire truck, I wouldn't mind at all.

[Destructicus]

making Optimus a fire truck would be the "making Batman gay" of the 21st century

Well Dc is already making Batgirl into a Lesbian so we all know whats next. We always wondered why Batman kept Robin for so long.

[Hunter Rider]

Agreed, it's nice to see some well thought out ideas, rather then;

OMFG HOWE DAIR THEY CHAINGE OPTIMOS PR1ME TO A FIER ENGINE TRUCK LOL OMG! G1 ALL TEH WAY! LOL!

My thoughts;

I'd rather they keep Optimus as a semi-truck, but if, and I say IF, they change his vehicle mode to a fire truck, I wouldn't mind at all.

Exactly,i'd want to actually see what it looked like before deciding it was a bad idea,plus as many have said their are a lot of TF variations out there and apparently Prime has been a Fire Truck before

[In2Minds]

Please, somebody... tell me thats only a rumor. Tell me its fake. Sorry if this is old, and has been discussed... I haven't been on the boards much lately.

PLEASE, just one person, tell me that isn't true.

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8127/

No they cant use the japanese version of optiomus prime its not right :mad: :mad: :mad::mad: :mad: :mad: he always been an 18 wheeler

[In2Minds]

I have read so much **** that I cant tell if its fake or not and I'm fed up with it. Megs an alien jet, starscream a police car, Soundwave a midget and we cant even have Spike be called Spike. Now Optimus a ****ing firetruck. If all of this is true then this film will suck. They cannot do this film if its based of off the Robots in Disguise cartoon show from a few years ago.

wait wait wait starscream has always been a plane a fighter jet of somesort megatron always transforms into the wolfram p2k style gun which another decepticon fires (except in japan were they had him as a tank) i heard that they were gonna make soundwave a helicopter and they should definatley not have optimus as a fire truck (also soundwave needs to have the ability to produce lazer beak, rumble, ravage and refelector form his chest.

[Hunter Rider]

wait wait wait starscream has always been a plane a fighter jet of somesort megatron always transforms into the wolfram p2k style gun which another decepticon fires (except in japan were they had him as a tank) i heard that they were gonna make soundwave a helicopter and they should definatley not have optimus as a fire truck (also soundwave needs to have the ability to produce lazer beak, rumble, ravage and refelector form his chest.

starscream isn't the police car,thats Brawl

[CFlash]

starscream isn't the police car,thats Brawl

But isn't Brawl suppossed to be a tank?
I'm so confused. :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

But isn't Brawl suppossed to be a tank?
I'm so confused. :confused:

In the last bit of info it had Brawl listed as a Cop car

[WalkingDead]

wait wait wait starscream has always been a plane a fighter jet of somesort megatron always transforms into the wolfram p2k style gun which another decepticon fires (except in japan were they had him as a tank) i heard that they were gonna make soundwave a helicopter and they should definatley not have optimus as a fire truck (also soundwave needs to have the ability to produce lazer beak, rumble, ravage and refelector form his chest.

But isn't Brawl suppossed to be a tank?
I'm so confused. :confused:


Ok...here we go...confusion stops here!

In G1:
Megatron is a Walther P-38 Special U.N.C.L.E. Custom hangun.
Brawl is a tank.


Rumored For the Movie:
Megatron - Rumored to be Cybertronian Jet
Starscream - F-22 Raptor or F-35 Jet (unconfirmed which one yet)
Soundwave - Stereo/CD Player (turns into a 4.5ft tall robot)
Brawl - Decepticon Police Car
Bonecrusher - Military Mine Sweeper Armored Vehicle
Devastator - M1 Abrams MTB Tank
Vortex - MH-35J "Osprey" Helicopter
Scorponok - Vortex's Minion (pops off Vortex's back)

[CFlash]

Ok...here we go...confusion stops here!

Rumored For the Movie:
Megatron - Rumored to be Cybertronian Jet
Starscream - F-22 Raptor or F-35 Jet (unconfirmed which one yet)
Soundwave - Stereo/CD Player (turns into a 4.5ft tall robot)
Brawl - Decepticon Police Car
Bonecrusher - Military Mine Sweeper Armored Vehicle
Devastator - M1 Abrams MTB Tank
Vortex - MH-35J "Osprey" Helicopter
Scorponok - Vortex's Minion (pops off Vortex's back)

Now I'm even more confused.
Why isn't Cy-kill in it too? They might as well throw that in there just for fun.

[WalkingDead]

Now I'm even more confused.
Why isn't Cy-kill in it too? They might as well throw that in there just for fun.
What's there to be confused about?
That's what the current line-up looks like for the Decepticons. This isn't gonna G1 Redux. Gotta accept that. Certain things bug the hell outta me too, but overall gotta roll with some changes.

[CFlash]

<snip>but overall gotta roll with some changes.

Um, no you don't.

Well,... maybe if the term "some changes" was accurate you could. But, those aren't some changes. And the Cy-kill comment wasn't a joke. I'd pay $10.75 to see that. They might as well go for broke now.

[WalkingDead]

Um, no you don't.

Well,... maybe if the term "some changes" was accurate you could. But, those aren't some changes. And the Cy-kill comment wasn't a joke. I'd pay $10.75 to see that. They might as well go for broke now.
I wouldn't be so hard-up for this movie to be such a let-down.
Just wait a bit...things will probably change. Megatron might still come out as a Tank. Brawl might be called Runamuck. Soundwave might be cut, so no comic relief Soundwave. Just give it some time.

[deathshead2]

I can't belive some fans are nit-picking were getting a transformers movie in't that enough. Also notice the title odf the movies its tranformers not G1 this isn't going to be G1 it never was and never will be. Through out the years we have had trasformers with the same names as others but weren't the same as each other. So stop whining people. OP was a fire trunk in RID and it didn' case the end of transformers and didn't stop people from liking it and this movie won't cause it either. I feel like fans are just nitpicking for the sake of it this isn't the 80s get over it.

[CFlash]

I can't belive some fans are nit-picking were getting a transformers movie in't that enough. Also notice the title odf the movies its tranformers not G1 this isn't going to be G1 it never was and never will be. Through out the years we have had trasformers with the same names as others but weren't the same as each other. So stop whining people. OP was a fire trunk in RID and it didn' case the end of transformers and didn't stop people from liking it and this movie won't cause it either. I feel like fans are just nitpicking for the sake of it this isn't the 80s get over it.

I think it has already been stated that sales and pop phenomenum of what you call "G1" (and I just call "Transformers") far eclipses every other lineup (which AFAIK have always had a "subtitle" to set them apart from the original). Most Gen-X'ers (that I know) don't give a flying **** about anything but seeing the characters they loved faithfully portrayed on screen.

If those elements are missing... GenXers have to pre-judge the movie (trailers, ads, etc) based on other criteria (action, humor, whatever) and critics reviews... and most importantly *word of mouth.* In essense the question then becomes "do I want to go see a movie about robots and racing camaros?" Or worse "Michael Bay??... nah screw that, I'll go see <insert better movie here> instead."

[ragdus]

Then go see your other movie. Nobody said you're required to go see this movie if you're going to call yourself a Transformers fan.

A lot of the uncompromising are going to go in expecting to be disappointed, and their gloom and doom will only be self fulfilling when Optimus Prime et al don't look, sound, and move exactly how they remember.

Then there's the vast majority of those who are willing to go immerse themselves in a familar old concept being presented in a brand new medium for the first time.

You already hate the movie, so why worry about it? It's going to suck, period. Let the rest of us enjoy the sucktitude.

[CFlash]

Then go see your other movie. Nobody said you're required to go see this movie if you're going to call yourself a Transformers fan.

A lot of the uncompromising are going to go in expecting to be disappointed, and their gloom and doom will only be self fulfilling when Optimus Prime et al don't look, sound, and move exactly how they remember.

Then there's the vast majority of those who are willing to go immerse themselves in a familar old concept being presented in a brand new medium for the first time.

You already hate the movie, so why worry about it? It's going to suck, period. Let the rest of us enjoy the sucktitude.

Since you decided to sort of bring the discussion down a level...
Here's my response to you:

No one whats stuff "exactly." That includes the folks who have been clamoring for less-bastardize version of "Transformers" (that's "Transformers" not "Transformers Beast Wars", "Transformers: Cybertron" bla bla bla) and aren't as easily spoonfed crap like you.

Judging by your posts you'd be happy with ANY movie with robots that change into things and knock each other around. Good for you. But, some of us expect something a little more intelligent and faithful than that. I'd throw in the word "though provoking" (which I highly believe the original story was) but that might send you into shock.

[ragdus]

What exactly does "faithful" mean to you then?

As far as thought provoking, I agree. I hope it is. But it doesn't have to be a film that really makes me question the world around me to be a movie I'd enjoy. There's a lot of movies out there like that, and most of them don't include Optimus Prime and Megatron in a live action battle. I guess I'm low brow because the potential of the action scenes excites me, but hey it does.

And no, any robots changing and fighting won't excite me. The Transformers will though. And I'm more interested in the personalities of the robots coming through than I am in making sure they all transform into the same thing they did 20 years ago. I find Starscream's treachery more appealing than the fact that he may or may not be a jet in robot mode. I find my desire to see Optimus Prime's unwavering fortitude come across more important than I do making sure he matches his G1 counterpart Pantone for Pantone.

[CFlash]

What exactly does "faithful" mean to you then?

As far as thought provoking, I agree. I hope it is. But it doesn't have to be a film that really makes me question the world around me to be a movie I'd enjoy. There's a lot of movies out there like that, and most of them don't include Optimus Prime and Megatron in a live action battle. I guess I'm low brow because the potential of the action scenes excites me, but hey it does.

And no, any robots changing and fighting won't excite me. The Transformers will though. And I'm more interested in the personalities of the robots coming through than I am in making sure they all transform into the same thing they did 20 years ago. I find Starscream's treachery more appealing than the fact that he may or may not be a jet in robot mode. I find my desire to see Optimus Prime's unwavering fortitude come across more important than I do making sure he matches his G1 counterpart Pantone for Pantone.

Pantone for Pantone? Again, as another poster pointed out... that's falsely casting our arguments as extreme. When they're anything but.

Faithful... to me it's simple:
- Bumblebee not a hot-rod. Any hatchback- sporty or otherwise- would do.
- Prime is a truck... and with a cargo trailer (for at least part of the movie). Flat nose or not doesn't much matter to me... but I totally agree with folks that question the "why" of not letting him be a flast nose. I see flat nose trucks all the time. Just today, a shiny brandspaking new (and I mean NEW) USPS flat-nose truck drove by while I was waiting to cross the street.
- Prime's colors are important. I think they're as iconic as Bumblebee being yellow.
- SoundWave is not a midget.

In terms of story... faithful to me means:
- Plot is about protecting Earth from Decepticons pillaging its natural resources and destroying its environment. Not "quest for The Esoteric Energon Cube Holy Grail."
- Decepticons don't have cars. Save that for a sequel because this is completely UNFAITHFUL to one of the main (and interesting) demarkation lines between the two sides (simple vehicles vs more advanced military and arial machines). The Stunticons didn't even really consider themselves Decepticons.

Plus, also importantly, it should be plainly obvious in the movie that the Decepticons are way more advanced than the Autobots in terms of technology. But, since antigrav flying and mass changing is out-the-window, that might be a little difficult.

That's faithful.

I don't have problems with new characters or helicopters or some missing characters or even Megatron changing into a tank (in fact I love the idea)... Cybertonian Jet- I'm not so sure about that. Seems like they're melding Megatron's and Shockwave's (comic) stories into one. I dunno.

[ComicKoryn]

Just for the record, someone up there posted that they're changing Batgirl into a lesbian in the comics....they're not. It's Batwoman they're changing into a lesbian. Weeee!

As far as Transformers are concerned, I never cared as a kid what vehicles the Transformers changed into. I was a big fan of G1 and most of the Transformers incarnations later on, and to be honest, it was the characters I cared about, not the vehicles. So in my opinion, if they're true to the essence of the original characters, I'm not going to care that much about what they change as far as vehicles go.

Of course, that's not to say that I wouldn't be immensely pissed if they changed Megatron into one of those barking dog toys they have in all those magnet stores, but I highly doubt they'll pull anything that extreme.

When it comes down to it, the likelyhood of you getting a direct adaptation of the G1 Transformers cartoon/comics is very slim, so you should just accept that now and stop complaining. You have every right to complain about certain elements but I mean c'mon, be reasonable. Don't claim that the movie is going to suck just because you find out Bumblebee isn't a VW Bug. In all honesty it would probably suck more if he was a VW Bug, especially one of the new ones (super gay transformers, roll out!).

I'm just happy there's going to be a Transformers movie, and so far nothing I've seen has bothered me that much. If Optimus is a fire truck, then so be it. I would've preferred a red semi, but things change (especially in Hollywood). As long as they stay true to his character, I'm perfectly happy with whatever truck they turn him into.....minus that ice cream truck theory posted earlier (lmao by the way).

[CFlash]

(super gay transformers, roll out!).


"super gay transformers, roll out" ?
Honestly, some of you people amaze me.

direct adaptation of the G1 Transformers cartoon/comics is very slim, so you should just accept that now and stop complaining.

1) If you bothered to read... no one is clamoring for a direct adaptation.
2) Indeed, many have already "stopped complaining"... and moved on. The excitement level for this movie has definately fizzled. A lot of people don't even frequent this forum nor Michael Bay's forums anymore. And, all my friends (who wouldn't be caught dead in what they call a geek forum like this... but are probably bigger TF fans than I am) are decidely blah about the movie... and at this point couldn't care less.

For GenX at least, a Transformers movie this is not. That's a big chunk of disappointed folks. Alas.

Hopefully, Bay will turn it around.

[Hunter Rider]

1) If you bothered to read... no one is clamoring for a direct adaptation.
2) Indeed, many have already "stopped complaining"... and moved on. The excitement level for this movie has definately fizzled. A lot of people don't even frequent this forum nor Michael Bay's forums anymore. And, all my friends (who wouldn't be caught dead in what they call a geek forum like this... but are probably bigger TF fans than I am) are decidely blah about the movie... and at this point couldn't care less.

For GenX at least, a Transformers movie this is not. That's a big chunk of disappointed folks. Alas.

Hopefully, Bay will turn it around.

then why do you post here ? don't get me wrong ive been here long enough to know that every project ive followed has people who are concerned over some aspects but you seem full of Doom and gloom entirely to the point that i can't figure what enjoyment you get out of coming here and talking with people who would seem by your posts to be the type you wouldn't normally associate with and also constantly making assumption based on yours and a few of your hardcore buddies views
I can tell you as a counter point that me and mine grew up on Gen1 and now we are all adults and don't care that this is a fresh take on the mythos.

[ComicKoryn]

CF Flash, I happen to be gay, so I don't know what's amazing you so much about my comment. But that's besides the point.

I agree with hunter rider, it seems that there is such hatred and venom going around with some people on here that it seems pointless that they're even on these forums. Now while I don't go against their natural rights to post mostly whatever they want and where ever they feel, it seems silly to me that they choose to do nothing but lambast almost every adaptation for going against even the tiniest of details. If it's a good movie, it's a good movie. If it follows the source material to the point where the overall story and energy are fairly accurate, than I don't see what the problem is.

To me it seems that most of the fanboys who gripe and moan do what they do because they've already imagined the whole movie in their head and they're dissapointed that it doesn't turn out the way they imagined. Really, just go to the theaters in your head if you're so put off by the work of filmmakers.

And also, for people to say at this point that the movie is going to suck; well, that's just ridiculous. There is like 5% of concrete info about this movie that is unlikely to change, and that mainly involves the cast and the way the robots will transform. If you're going to judge a movie based on that, than I don't know what to tell you. You'll probably be dissapointed more because you don't know how to move with change, instead choosing to be stubborn.

[CFlash]

You gripe about the organic look for Decepticons in another thread saying then it would not be a Transformers movie.... but then MY qualms, which IMO are about the HEART of Transformers get branded as extreme???

Re-quoted:

Pantone for Pantone? Again, as another poster pointed out... that's falsely casting our arguments as extreme. When they're anything but.

Being faithful... to me is simple:
- Bumblebee not a hot-rod. Any hatchback- sporty or otherwise- would do.
- Prime is a truck... and with a cargo trailer (for at least part of the movie). Flat nose or not doesn't much matter to me... but I totally agree with folks that question the "why" of not letting him be a flast nose. I see flat nose trucks all the time. Just today, a shiny brandspaking new (and I mean NEW) USPS flat-nose truck drove by while I was waiting to cross the street.
- Prime's colors are important. I think they're as iconic as Bumblebee being yellow.
- SoundWave is not a midget.

In terms of story... faithful to me means:
- Plot is about protecting Earth from Decepticons pillaging its natural resources and destroying its environment. Not "quest for The Esoteric Energon Cube Holy Grail."
- Decepticons don't have cars. Save that for a sequel because this is completely UNFAITHFUL to one of the main (and interesting) demarkation lines between the two sides (simple vehicles vs more advanced military and arial machines). The Stunticons didn't even really consider themselves Decepticons.

Plus, also importantly, it should be plainly obvious in the movie that the Decepticons are way more advanced than the Autobots in terms of technology. But, since antigrav flying and mass changing is out-the-window, that might be a little difficult.

That's faithful.

I don't have problems with new characters or helicopters or some missing characters or even Megatron changing into a tank (in fact I love the idea)... Cybertonian Jet- I'm not so sure about that. Seems like they're melding Megatron's and Shockwave's (comic) stories into one. I dunno.

[ragdus]

Not extreme. Not at all.

More like... petty?

Organic Transformers would be retarded because that deviates greatly from what Tranformers is and can be evidenced by the failure of Beast Machines.

Your quibbles are about the make and model of Bumblebee, who btw was named for his color scheme and not the fact he was a VW Bug, and the fact that Optimus might not be a semi. Well here's an interesting idea: maybe since COEs are incredibly outdated, making Optimus a firetruck was a good compromise in that it is one of the few modern day vehicles with a flat snout that also has the size and color scheme that fits with the classic idea of Optimus?

[Hunter Rider]

the fact that Optimus might not be a semi. Well here's an interesting idea: maybe since COEs are incredibly outdated, making Optimus a firetruck was a good compromise in that it is one of the few modern day vehicles with a flat snout that also has the size and color scheme that fits with the classic idea of Optimus?

That's a good point,they are making a movie set now so the vehicles the Transformers disguise themselves as should be modern ones so they don't stand out

[DorkyFresh]

making Optimus a firetruck was a good compromise in that it is one of the few modern day vehicles with a flat snout that also has the size and color scheme that fits with the classic idea of Optimus?
that's a very good way of looking at it...

...i'm starting to warm up to the idea considering firetrucks represent firemen and EVERYONE can be proud of our firefighters (especially after 9/11). i've heard of corupt cops, corupt politicians, corupt doctors, but i've never heard of corupt firemen.

[CFlash]

Not extreme. Not at all.

More like... petty?

Organic Transformers would be retarded because that deviates greatly from what Tranformers is and can be evidenced by the failure of Beast Machines.

Your quibbles are about the make and model of Bumblebee, who btw was named for his color scheme and not the fact he was a VW Bug, and the fact that Optimus might not be a semi. Well here's an interesting idea: maybe since COEs are incredibly outdated, making Optimus a firetruck was a good compromise in that it is one of the few modern day vehicles with a flat snout that also has the size and color scheme that fits with the classic idea of Optimus?

I would deem the organic (rather than boxy) look for the Decept robot modes just as petty of quibble as mine are.

And I don't see how changing the icons that lots of people grew up with is petty. The flat nose thing really boggles me. Freightliner isn't outdated. In fact they're still made and I see them all the time (industrial northeast... I dunno about the west coast or middle america). http://www.freightlinertrucks.com/trucks/find-by-model/Argosy/

And, my comments about the thrust of the story (environmental and energy issues) are in no way petty. I always thought that was the whole overriding theme of Transformers. But, some seem to think it was no more than rock-em-sock-em fighting robots.

[Hunter Rider]

You still haven't answered my question

[ragdus]

Just because something continues to be manufactured does not mean it isn't outdated. I'd really rather not get into this particular discussion with you. I am an elctromagnetic engineer currently working in the field of commercial diesel engines and I really do know what I'm talking about on this one. There are an abundance of reasons why the CEO design is dieing and increasingly outdated, a huge one being the colosally flat front end that acts like a sail in the wind and seriously decreases miles per galllon, a key concern in the days of soaring oil and gas prices.

But that's not really what we're talking about...

[ComicKoryn]

CFlash, the difference between your/others complaints and mine are that while I'm still willing to give the movie a chance, you're completely ripping it to pieces over things that really don't matter.

Throughout the Transformers series, the vehicles they have transformed into have always changed throughout the years. Why should it be any different for a movie?

But when it comes to a complete overhaul of the transformers design to the point where they're entirely unrecognizable? That's when my concerns are voiced. The concerns I bring up are valid things that could take away from the movie (the simplistic images of the robots being changed into something completely different), while yours are based entirely on fanboy nitpicking.

The difference between me and you is that I'm still willing to give the movie a chance, while you might as well be writing your own review for it right now.

And honestly, the more I think about it, the more I'm all for Optimus being a firetruck. The image is heroic, and bold, and a lot of americans would be proud of that image.

[ragdus]

And, my comments about the thrust of the story (environmental and energy issues) are in no way petty. I always thought that was the whole overriding theme of Transformers. But, some seem to think it was no more than rock-em-sock-em fighting robots.

And you'll note elsewhere I said I'd prefer to see this be an element of the story. I just am not going to jump on these forums and cry if it's not. No matter how much I'd like it to be, it doesn't have to be the basis of this story for the movie to be good and entertaining.

[ComicKoryn]

well said ragdus, you bring up many good points

[DorkyFresh]

And honestly, the more I think about it, the more I'm all for Optimus being a firetruck. The image is heroic, and bold, and a lot of americans would be proud of that image.

yeah...Bay DID say he likes to make the military look good. well, he can also make firefighters look good too! fire trucks will ALWAYS be there, no matter how bad the situation. i'm actually almost WANTING Prime to be a fire truck now! hehe

[CFlash]

Just because something continues to be manufactured does not mean it isn't outdated. I'd really rather not get into this particular discussion with you. I am an elctromagnetic engineer currently working in the field of commercial diesel engines and I really do know what I'm talking about on this one. There are an abundance of reasons why the CEO design is dieing and increasingly outdated, a huge one being the colosally flat front end that acts like a sail in the wind and seriously decreases miles per galllon, a key concern in the days of soaring oil and gas prices.

But that's not really what we're talking about...

Not just manufactured, but seemingly updated, luxurized, and computerized. The cockpit in that thing looks straight out of Star Trek The Next Generation.

But, I defer to your knowledge. The point I was making is that I still see them all the time. But that might be a product of just being in a heavily industrialized area. They might be "increasingly outdated" (and really what isn't?) but they're nowhere near extinct.

[CFlash]

And, my comments about the thrust of the story (environmental and energy issues) are in no way petty. I always thought that was the whole overriding theme of Transformers.

And you'll note elsewhere I said I'd prefer to see this be an element of the story. I just am not going to jump on these forums and cry if it's not. No matter how much I'd like it to be, it doesn't have to be the basis of this story for the movie to be good and entertaining.

I respectfully but emphatically disagree.

[Casius--J]

Prime a firetruck?? I dont like it, hated it in Robots in Disguise and i dont like it now.

But what can i do? Nothing but wait and see how the movies turns out.

[Soundwave88]

In my personal opinion, I hope they keep him as a semi-truck.

I agree thats like his trademark being the semi-truck!! lol if he was a Firetruck it goes all the things we loved about the leader.

[user123456789]

Imagine how awesome it would be if Optimus Primer were an icecream truck or something?

He could transform, instead of the usual transforming sound, icecream music would play!

lolol

[TheCardPlayer]

Prime is not a firetruck. That rumor was debunked by Don Murphy and the screenwriters long ago.

[zanos]

good

[user123456789]

Prime is not a firetruck. That rumor was debunked by Don Murphy and the screenwriters long ago.
Excellent.

[i-n-z-a-n-e]

firetruck no way, even the people that don't even know or like transformers is able to at least recognize that truck not even if they know optimus but that truck is the face of transformers.

[Supreme Power]

Listen man, I'm a huge fan... no doubt. I don't moan and groan about much. The superman suit.. I'm ok with. Spidey flicks, great movies. X-Men, awesome. I'm the one who always tells the annoying fans to relax.

Now that I gave you a quick history check about myself, let me explains something. Making Optimus Prime a fire truck is a HUGE mistake. You should never tamper with the leader, the main man. Now is this something I'll have to live with? Yes, will I want to? No. I doubt hes gonna be a fire-truck, but if he is, I'm gonna be pretty damn angry. Everyone knows him as that 'semi truck' one. This would be a very bad move.

:cool: :up:

[Hades]

http://www.tfarchive.com/toys/reviews/images/rid_optimusprimerobot.jpg
http://www.tfarchive.com/toys/reviews/images/rid_optimusprimealt.jpg

[Luke-Abbott]

Instead of making an entirley new thread about this and getting Mod's and everyone else mad at the "noob", I'll just stick this in here;

http://www.transformersthemovie.com/images/videoclips/001_l.jpg
http://www.transformersthemovie.com/images/videoclips/002_l.jpg

If this is Prime then I guess this kills rumours of him being a Fire-Truck, then again it could be another Transformer like "Ultra Magnus" maybe?

Thoughts?

[Hades]

It's fan made. You fail, silly nood.:o

[Luke-Abbott]

It's fan made. You fail, silly nood.:o

Damn. Still, cool image.

[Cold2daToucH004]

Very cool, seen that long ago. I would be pretty happy if that was him, minus the fact there is no red, at all on him. Still very cool pics.