Rob Zombie's Halloween!

[JustABill]

What's your opinion of this?

http://bloody-disgusting.com/index.php?Show=6539&Template=newsfull

[Carter]

I'll believe it when Joblo reports it.

[JustABill]

Alright. But Dimension Films, reportedly reported it themselves...so..

If it was Bloody Disgusting itself doing this, then I wouldn't have even bothered posting it, cause they've been wrong about the next Halloween plenty of times in the past.

[kainedamo]

Rod Zombie is a great director.

[DACrowe]

But he makes **** films.

Anyway this sounds like a bad idea. Why couldn't they have stopped with H20? Better yet why couldn't they have stopped with H2? Or better even why not after the first?

[The Dark Defender]

But he makes **** films.

Anyway this sounds like a bad idea. Why couldn't they have stopped with H20? Better yet why couldn't they have stopped with H2? Or better even why not after the first?

No, he makes good to great ones, in the case of TDR with a ton of depth that people that look past the surface to see what he was trying to do can appreciate.

And they couldn't stop after the first one because there were still enough fans that wanted more to warrent sequels.

[TheVileOne]

Rob Zombie has already debunked this. It's not true.

[The Dark Defender]

Him denying it doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. Fangoria was trying to force Malek Akkad's hand in delivering news about it before he wanted it revealed, if a director had been selected, he would tell him to deny it until Akkad was ready to officially report it.

[The Dark Defender]

I just found this on Rob's myspace blog.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=28735418&blogID=128778241&MyToken=3efdc199-16bb-420c-8d8d-807b4489e599

He confirms he is indeed writing/directing the next Halloween film, and what he denied was that he was not making Halloween 9. He's considering this a reimaging/retelling/remake.

Of course there will be a ton of *****ing and moaning about Halloween being remake, but as far as I'm concerned it's a best case scenario if he's at the helm.

I respect what the original did for the genre, but I still find it very overrated, and H20 and Resurrection ****ed things up so bad for this franchise by #1 ignoring continuity (ignoring films far better than the ones they were making by the way) just because they found it convenient at the time, and #2 whoring out the franchise to whatever was popular with the mainstream rather than genre fans at the time, that there's nothing else to do but start over, and Zombie, along with Alexandre Aja is the best thing that's happened to the genre in years, so he's the perfect guy for the job.

[Darthphere]

Rod Zombie is a great director.


:confused: :down

[The Dark Defender]

:confused: :down

My reaction to someone claiming the opposite.

[Darthphere]

My reaction to someone claiming the opposite.


Rod Zombie is a horrible director.:confused:

[Socrates]

I knew this day was coming. :(

[thedeadite]

let's just remake ALL the classic horror films..but take away everything that made them so great...make them brand new..just keep the old name and make a bundle!!!!!

"re-imaginings" are even worse than straight up remakes

i probably won't be seeing this

[U.S War Machine]

If Rob Zombie is doing this he might as well make a satanic version of Howard The Duck.

[Bat Attack]

Now if friggen' NEW LINE CAN MAKE A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET SEQUEL!!!! COME ON NEW LINE YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!!! :mad:

[Kaiser]

let's just remake ALL the classic horror films..but take away everything that made them so great...make them brand new..just keep the old name and make a bundle!!!!!

"re-imaginings" are even worse than straight up remakes

i probably won't be seeing this

What made them so great?

[Flexo]

You know what's good about reimagings?

If they suck, they don't screw with the continuity. They can be ignored or forgotten.

I, personally, think that Rob Zombie is a decent film maker who is improving with each project. Not to mention that he'll give something fresh to the worn out Halloween series.

Sounds good to me.

[hitmanyr2k]

A Halloween re-make or (re-imagining LOL) with no Dr. Loomis or Laurie Strode? And don't tell me you can replace those two characters with another actor/actress because you can't. I don't like Rob Zombie's style to begin with so this is bad news to me. Damn, first they re-make The Omen and now this.

[Movies205]

Rob Zombie is a decent director, he has a good visual style but his writing is ****, or at least just from Devil's Rejects it was just so god-damn pretencious...

[The Dark Defender]

It was far from pretentious, he made a very impartial film where he left it up to the viewer who they wanted to root for.

[Movies205]

It was far from pretentious, he made a very impartial film where he left it up to the viewer who they wanted to root for.

No no no, it was pretencious crap... Which teenagers or people who feel teh need to try and be deep feel deep without actually watching something deep.... Try watching Croenburg if you want to see soemething that's left up to the viewer...

[The Dark Defender]

No no no, it was pretencious crap... Which teenagers or people who feel teh need to try and be deep feel deep without actually watching something deep.... Try watching Croenburg if you want to see soemething that's left up to the viewer...

That post right there is extremely pretentious(as for looking down at teenage movie-goers...you are one. On top of the pretense, it's hypocritical).

As for Cronenburg, I loved A History of Violence...and I don't find it nearly as good, or as deep as TDR.

[Movies205]

You got to be kidding me right? I'm sorry man but you have just sinned against the almighty movie gods... Like I can give Zombie props for a good visual style he manage to recreate 70s horror flicks really well but his story was pretencious crap, it was just "OMG look we root for the villians look IT'S SO INTELLIGENT WOW!!" Nah man.. History of Violence was just amazing, it let's the viewer take whatever he wants from the story, there's nothing pretencious about it, simply croenburg telling another story...

[The Dark Defender]

I don't find AHOV pretentious either, I didn't say I did. I said that I find TDR to be a vastly superior film to a film which is very good.

As for TDR, there are great character archs for Wydell and for the Fireflys where he gets progressively worse because he's so totally consumed by revenge that his judgment is clouded beyond reason, and they get progressively better. Rob shows them as the most heartless, abhorent pieces of **** possible during the early portion of the film, then has them endure the same torture and degredation that they had been dishing out all this time, and it's only then they come to understand the wrong that they had done before they died.

That was my take on the ending, what the Fireflys were thinking before they died is left up to the viewer. Both Wydell and the Fireflys end up with qualities that could be interpreted as positive or negative. The film also carries a great message that murder is murder, whether you're committing it in the name of God, or in the name of the Devil makes it no better.

The Devil's Rejects is one of my favorite films of all time, I find it very deep, and very entertaining with many different layers to it. I also love how Rob completely switched around the common genre pattern of having the villains start off dark and menacing, then having them become lighter and/or funnier as the series progresses. He did the opposite with Corpses and Rejects.

As for that "you have to be kidding, you committed a sin saying that!" That's precisely what I'm talking about, that's an extremely pretentious attitude. Film quality is subjective, those that aren't pretentious don't come off with the typical holier than though attitude when debating with those that feel differently.

[Movies205]

I don't find AHOV pretentious either, I didn't say I did. I said that I find TDR to be a vastly superior film to a film which is very good.

As for TDR, there are great character archs for Wydell and for the Fireflys where he gets progressively worse because he's so totally consumed by revenge that his judgment is clouded beyond reason, and they get progressively better. Rob shows them as the most heartless, abhorent pieces of **** possible during the early portion of the film, then has them endure the same torture and degredation that they had been dishing out all this time, and it's only then they come to understand the wrong that they had done before they died.

That was my take on the ending, what the Fireflys were thinking before they died is left up to the viewer. Both Wydell and the Fireflys end up with qualities that could be interpreted as positive or negative. The film also carries a great message that murder is murder, whether you're committing it in the name of God, or in the name of the Devil makes it no better.

The Devil's Rejects is one of my favorite films of all time, I find it very deep, and very entertaining with many different layers to it. I also love how Rob completely switched around the common genre pattern of having the villains start off dark and menacing, then having them become lighter and/or funnier as the series progresses. He did the opposite with Corpses and Rejects.

As for that "you have to be kidding, you committed a sin saying that!" That's precisely what I'm talking about, that's an extremely pretentious attitude. Film quality is subjective, those that aren't pretentious don't come off with the typical holier than though attitude when debating with those that feel differently.

If you've seen my thread or my posts, you'll know I'm very open to opinion but right now... I can't take it seriously... Like fine, it's everyon'e opinion for example I think the picture looks good but the substance isn't good, you think the movie is good, cool... BUT NO! Devil's Rejects is not better than History of Violence... JUST NO! :D

[The Dark Defender]

If you've seen my thread or my posts, you'll know I'm very open to opinion but right now... I can't take it seriously... Like fine, it's everyon'e opinion for example I think the picture looks good but the substance isn't good, you think the movie is good, cool... BUT NO! Devil's Rejects is not better than History of Violence... JUST NO! :D

Right...in your opinion it's not.;)

And I've read your other posts, and in one thread, someone referred to me as "a ****ing idiot" for disagreeing with with him while debating film quality, and you agreed; not exactly respectful of opposing views, not to mention your current "No! That opinion is wrong!" reaction, even after a lengthy explanation to support the opinion.

[Movies205]

Right...in your opinion it's not.;)

And I've read your other posts, and in one thread, someone referred to me as "a ****ing idiot" for disagreeing with with him while debating film quality, and you agreed; not exactly respectful of opposing views, not to mention your current "No! That opinion is wrong!" reaction, even after a lengthy explanation to support the opinion.

:( I believe you said you didn't like a movie and someone else did, and I said "Ah I'll probably like it because I always disagree with Stormy"... I apologize if I offended you with that post

[The Dark Defender]

:( I believe you said you didn't like a movie and someone else did, and I said "Ah I'll probably like it because I always disagree with Stormy"... I apologize if I offended you with that post

No, I was referring to a thread where I stated drama was my least favorite stand alone genre, someone replied "You're a ****ing idiot! You can't critique films anymore!*insert scathing post here*"

And you replied "that's sad, because it's true.:("

[Movies205]

No, I was referring to a thread where I stated drama was my least favorite stand alone genre, someone replied "You're a ****ing idiot! You can't critique films anymore!*insert scatching post here*"

And you replied "that's sad, because it's true.:("

I vaguely remember that actually, I do apologize then, I go through stages... Sometimes where I'm a dick othertimes when I'm nice, I suppose I'm in the inbetween right now... I do apologize then but that might be a hollow apology since I'm libel to make a similar comment 3-6 months from now... But if anything I mean nothing by it.

[The Dark Defender]

I vaguely remember that actually, I do apologize then, I go through stages... Sometimes where I'm a dick othertimes when I'm nice, I suppose I'm in the inbetween right now... I do apologize then but that might be a hollow apology since I'm libel to make a similar comment 3-6 months from now... But if anything I mean nothing by it.

Fair enough, I suppose we can all be condescending at times depending on our mood.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

RZ knows and loves Horror. Plus, he has a bunch of raw talent.

So, I think it's going to be good if it's true because, while HO1000C sucked, it showed promise, and then only one film later, he got exponentially better as a director.

I think HO1000C sucked, not because RZ's a bad director, but because of his inexperience, and he's a smart, fast learner.

[Movies205]

RZ knows and loves Horror. Plus, he has a bunch of raw talent.

So, I think it's going to be good if it's true because, while HO1000C sucked, it showed promise, and then only one film later, he got exponentially better as a director.

I think HO1000C sucked, not because RZ's a bad director, but because of his inexperience, and he's a smart, fast learner.

Thoughts on Devil's Rejects, WS?

[deathshead2]

I've posted my view on Rob doing halloween and i'll say it agian its a double edged sword. Robs a great guy and he says he likes halloween but I don't want to see any over the top kills and stuff like that. Besides John probally game him the ok to do this movie because he wants the money for it just like what he did for the fog.

[Flexo]

RZ knows and loves Horror. Plus, he has a bunch of raw talent.

So, I think it's going to be good if it's true because, while HO1000C sucked, it showed promise, and then only one film later, he got exponentially better as a director.

I think HO1000C sucked, not because RZ's a bad director, but because of his inexperience, and he's a smart, fast learner.

Yes!

Of course, I also feel like I owe him since he did produce a soundtrack for Frankenstein.

[Darthphere]

Ill admit, Rob Zombie doesnt do movies that I like. Not because theyre bad, but because im not really into the whole 70's horror movie thing. If this turns out good, ill check it out.

[Henry Hill]

There's really nowhere else to go with the old Halloween series at this point anyway. The biggest mistake they made was ignoring 4-6. 3 movies worth of story erased so that they could bring back Laurie for 1 film and a pathetic opening.

[Maxwell Smart]

There's really nowhere else to go with the old Halloween series at this point anyway. The biggest mistake they made was ignoring 4-6. 3 movies worth of story erased so that they could bring back Laurie for 1 film and a pathetic opening.

God, I hated Resurrection.

Thats the one bad thing about this. The 'old' Michael Myers is getting screwed. The legendary Shape met his end by Busta Rhymes? :mad:

[DACrowe]

I'll throw my hand in this debate. I think House of 1000 Corpses is a beautiful movie but a wretched snuff film that remakes The Texas Chainsaw Massacre but does a crappy job at it and becomes nothing more than your typical slasher movie and a rather insulting one at that.

Then we have TDR which is much better and actually has you hate both sides and want you to see both sides die and do. I'm glad because in the first one you hate them so much though that I can't help but want them to suffer even though it is a simple snuff film with no depth. It is all visuals that attempt to seem deep but he rips off better filmmakers in a slasher movie and lets audiences who enjoy slasher movies consider it deep.

A History of Violence was one of the best movies of last year. It doesn't have a lot of rewatch value but it is a brilliant journey the first time and manages to take you through a rather neutral evaluation of the subject matter that actually explores the human psyche and has some great performances. But I mean when you have Viggo Mortenson, Maria Bello and most notably William Hurt.

[Henry Hill]

God, I hated Resurrection.

Thats the one bad thing about this. The 'old' Michael Myers is getting screwed. The legendary Shape met his end by Busta Rhymes? :mad:

Yeah, that's the depressing bit about all of this. Such an insulting way to end the first (or second if we take the revamp after 6 into consideration) Michael's career. Jason's biggest inspiration getting his ass handed to him by a rapper addicted to the word mother****er:(

[The Dark Defender]

I'll throw my hand in this debate. I think House of 1000 Corpses is a beautiful movie but a wretched snuff film that remakes The Texas Chainsaw Massacre but does a crappy job at it and becomes nothing more than your typical slasher movie and a rather insulting one at that.

Then we have TDR which is much better and actually has you hate both sides and want you to see both sides die and do. I'm glad because in the first one you hate them so much though that I can't help but want them to suffer even though it is a simple snuff film with no depth. It is all visuals that attempt to seem deep but he rips off better filmmakers in a slasher movie and lets audiences who enjoy slasher movies consider it deep.

A History of Violence was one of the best movies of last year. It doesn't have a lot of rewatch value but it is a brilliant journey the first time and manages to take you through a rather neutral evaluation of the subject matter that actually explores the human psyche and has some great performances. But I mean when you have Viggo Mortenson, Maria Bello and most notably William Hurt.

He never ripped off anything. Rip offs take others ideas and try to pass them off as their own, which he never did. The way the Fireflys act is nothing like the villains in TCM. Of course TCM is a heavy inspiration, but TDR is a hardly a carbon copy, or anything even close.

It's hardly even close to a snuff film. A snuff film is about gratification out of violence. The point Rob tries to make with the violence in his films is how absolutely abhorent it is. He wants you to hate the people doing it and see it as disgusting rather than cool.

As for those that enjoy slasher films being more shallow than other movie-goers, hardly the case(and I feel the same way about many of the films you laud for their emotional punch by the way. For example, most Oscar bait is tepid at best, and horrendous at worst, attempting to move rather than entertain, but succeeding at neither, where this film succeeds at both. The people that like these types of films the most often tend to be the most pretentious movie fans, which is fitting, since the films are like that too). That's just it, I enjoy slasher films, I don't find many of them deep. I'd just rather watch movies that succeed at entertaining me rather than ones that fail at moving me.

It's not deep to people that view horror, and its fans in a snobbish, inferior way where they have a close-minded perception of the material prior to the film even starting, therefore don't look past the visuals.

TDR made me feel things I've rarely ever felt during a movie of any kind; and TDR also had various great performances, and both films explore the human psyche.

[The_Guyver]

Carpenter should've produced/written/directed H20 and called it a day for the Halloween franchise. The original is the best slasher flick of all time, and a classic in its own right.

[GoldGoblin]

Sounds cool.