Evidence Bush knew 9-11 would happen and did nothing.Deal with it non believers.

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Yeah, Manuel is no Francona, I must admit.

[Batty for Bats!]

I like how WhiteRat has constantly dodged the question of what good it will do/change. Just buy the damn book, its only 6 dollars..

Even if the truth is discovered (which will probably happen just as Pearl Harbor - 30,40 years down the road), it still changes nothing. People are still dead, and they will continue to remain so. That's crying over spilt milk.

[Edd Extraordinaire]

But wouldn't you rather see those responsible come to justice?

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, Manuel is no Francona, I must admit.In your sig, I always wondered why Stephen Colbert said "Graham Cracker crust of corruption" to Mayor Nagin:confused:

I mean its an obvious reference to the local Government (being the crust) since they had the crack addict mayor who got re-elected (Marion "dat b*tch set me up" Barry) among other things, but to say that to Nagin, his state makes Washington DC look like sunshine and farts....if anyone knows corrupt governments its Louisiannaians.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I would say that Bush knew,and was too lazy to prevent the terrorist event from occuring.

[Addendum]

Okay I have seen a lot of people here post who dont want to know the truth and who refuse to take the blinders off and and acknowledge that 9-11 was indeed an inside job hatched by our own government and that George Bush had prior knowledge it would indeed happen,allowed it to happen and did NOTHING to try and stop it.The CIA trained the terrorists into hijacking the plane,Bush was warned by FBI agents it was going to happen but threatened them with arrest if they tried to stop it.Attorney General John Ashcroft told David Schippers a chicago based lawyer to go away when he told him he had FBI agents that had evidence they knew it was going to happen.They were banging on his door begging him to take a look at it and he did not want to listen.People around here though have turned a blind eye to all that though despite the fact alec Jones has documented in his two great videos he has that its all true with 9-11 the road to tyranny and Martial Law and the fact that he has a section on his website called prior knowledge that documents George Bushs knowledge it was going to happen at www.infowars.com (http://www.infowars.com) well here is ANOTHER website that has overwhelming proof that Bush had prior knowledge that it would happen and debunks you naysayers who refuse to listen to the truth on this issue.Just go to www.johnkaminski.com (http://www.johnkaminski.com) and order his book for just $6.00 called The Day America Died.

yes folks it WAS staged by our own government and Bush DID know it was going to happen and wanted it to happen.Bush,Clinton,and the CIA,they're all in on it together.They have been long time buddies and pals with each other and both have CIA connections.

Nothing the government does surprises me.

And I've moved on with my life concerning an event that happened 5 years ago.

[WhiteRat]

But wouldn't you rather see those responsible come to justice?

Thats what I been saying,people need to wake up and smell the folgers that the people responsible for this,if they are not brought to justice,then another terrorist act like this on american soil can occur anytime in the future if we just sit back and do nothing.

[Immortalfire]

Bush didn't know. He missed the memo that the lizard people left for him.

[FrankCastle6]

lol...this thread should not have lasted this long

[Addendum]

Thats what I been saying,people need to wake up and smell the folgers that the people responsible for this,if they are not brought to justice,then another terrorist act like this on american soil can occur anytime in the future if we just sit back and do nothing.
...because the government always listens to the citizens...

[Spidey-Bat]

I mean its an obvious reference to the local Government (being the crust) since they had the crack addict mayor who got re-elected (Marion "dat b*tch set me up" Barry) among other things, but to say that to Nagin, his state makes Washington DC look like sunshine and farts....if anyone knows corrupt governments its Louisiannaians.
Louisiannaians, now that's a mouthful.

[ShadowBoxing]

I would say that Bush knew,and was too lazy to prevent the terrorist event from occuring.My opinion (uh-oh I am going to say it): Bush knew in a sense, he knew in the sense that any reasonable person would have listened to the information given. However there is a key problem with Bush, he'd much rather have some one pat him on the back and say "good job" than tell him something is wrong or he needs to fix something. It's obvious from the way he diverts attention from Iraq, the economy or scandels within his cabinet that when things go wrong he does not know how to deal with. He listens to "yes men". He would rather hear there are no terrorists, no global warming, no fuel shortage, no economic troubles than anything else. He is spoiled and thinks things will come to him (as much they have). Therefore when put in a decision making position he would rather things just work out than actually put effort into preventing them or fixing them. In essesence it's not so much laziness as so much a lack of understanding of what the word responsibility means.

[Truthteller]

Bush didn't know. He missed the memo that the lizard people left for him.Thats "Reptilians" 'Fire! Get with the program. Don't sully the good name of one of SPIDER-MAN's main foes! :o


http://www.orlyowl.com/orlyscreen.jpg

[Addendum]

In essesence it's not so much laziness as so much a lack of understanding of what the word responsibility means.

Well, there are too many letters in the word for one thing ;)

[Immortalfire]

Thats "Reptilians" 'Fire! Get with the program. Don't sully the good name of one of SPIDER-MAN's main foes! :o Of course. Sorry, T. :(

[ShadowBoxing]

Well, there are too many letters in the word for one thing ;)That of course did not help.

[Darthphere]

Thats what I been saying,people need to wake up and smell the folgers that the people responsible for this,if they are not brought to justice,then another terrorist act like this on american soil can occur anytime in the future if we just sit back and do nothing.


Bring them up on charges! Impeach them! Call the paddywagon!

[Addendum]

That of course did not help.
Help what?

[Jolie_Desastre]

Thats "Reptilians" 'Fire! Get with the program. Don't sully the good name of one of SPIDER-MAN's main foes! :o


http://www.orlyowl.com/orlyscreen.jpg

haha :D

[ShadowBoxing]

Help what?Help Bush understand it....oh there is an extra i in it...whoops.

[Addendum]

Help Bush understand it....oh there is an extra i in it...whoops.
"responsibility" is one of them big words that throws some people, such as our elected leaders, for a loop.

[ShadowBoxing]

"responsibility" is one of them big words that throws some people, such as our elected leaders, for a loop.As I say, most elected officials do a pretty good job....the bad one's get the most press and when you have an irresponsible non forward thinking President it reflects poorly on all of them.

[Addendum]

As I say, most elected officials do a pretty good job....the bad one's get the most press and when you have an irresponsible non forward thinking President it reflects poorly on all of them.
They don't need a president's help to look bad. They do an excellent job by themselves, no matter what someone on an internet board says

[Darthphere]

Im pretty sure Bush stole my bike.

[Addendum]

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/4814/hbk.jpg
Bush stole Shawn Michaels' smile

[ShadowBoxing]

They don't need a president's help to look bad. They do an excellent job by themselves, no matter what someone on an internet board saysNo the President is the head of state and when he f---s up a politician can either distance himself from them or in this case (since Congress is Republican) side with him. Now if we had a capable President, you would not be having this discussion since the Republican Congress would be siding (not currently) with a good President. However even when you have a poor President who lacks support like Jimmy Carter, the best Congress can do is make him look like a bigger jackass by blocking everything he wants to do, progress comes to a halt until he leaves office, and they depending on the next guy... A good example of a capable leader was Clinton, he dealt with largly the same Congress we have now (in terms of views) and got things done. He did so because he was a shrewd politician who got results. Same with LBJ who twisted arms everytime he wanted to get a bill passed. Or Reagan he used forms of moral suasion to get his points across. All very effective. Bush doesn't know how to do any of that, he just creates enemies...or worse abuses his friendships...therefore no they don't look bad on their own.

[Excel]

wt fr u trying to prove? it was 4 years ago, nobody like sbush and whoever the next democrat is to run for president is a lock to win so stfu cause theyll end the war and itll be like th e90's with clinton. nothing will get done, but well have nothing to ***** about either. like accusing our own government of a terroris attack.


do you have clue how many peple wouldhave to be involved in something this big but noone would confess? ANY IDEA??

Your talking the whole white house,the whole pentagon, the cia, the fbi. some democrat woulda found out and told everybody about in 04 to get kerry elected.

but it NEVER HAPPENED. they knew forever that someone wanted o fly plane in the wtc but wtf could they possibly due about? shutdown all air traffic while giving the us the reason "There might be a terrorist attack". they had no choice. All this 9/11 crap is bs but will make for an interest jfk esque movie in a few years.


if its all true why hasnt anybody been brought to court about it?

[Addendum]

No the President is the head of state and when he f---s up a politician can either distance himself from them or in this case (since Congress is Republican) side with him. Now if we had a capable President, you would not be having this discussion since the Republican Congress would be siding (not currently) with a good President. However even when you have a poor President who lacks support like Jimmy Carter, the best Congress can do is make him look like a bigger jackass by blocking everything he wants to do, progress comes to a halt until he leaves office, and they depending on the next guy... A good example of a capable leader was Clinton, he dealt with largly the same Congress we have now (in terms of views) and got things done. He did so because he was a shrewd politician who got results. Same with LBJ who twisted arms everytime he wanted to get a bill passed. Or Reagan he used forms of moral suasion to get his points across. All very effective. Bush doesn't know how to do any of that, he just creates enemies...or worse abuses his friendships...therefore no they don't look bad on their own.
I don't side with political parties, and we agree to disagree.

I've been a cynic since I was 11 (back in 1989), and a skeptic since birth.

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't side with political parties, and we agree to disagree.

I've been a cynic since I was 11 (back in 1989), and a skeptic since birth.So I criticize my government, and most people label me very cynical, especially when I say stuff like I did on page three of this thread (i.e. maybe personal freedoms get in the way of progress and are a liability to preserving the earth and it's inhabitants)....however don't you think there is more to being a cynic and a skeptic than just pointing your finger and saying "that sucks, they sucks...what have they ever done for me".

[Addendum]

Cynic - an idealist whose rose-colored glasses have been removed, snapped in two and stomped into the ground, immediately improving his vision

I'm not an activist. I don't engage in activities that are pre-destined to fail. I can't beat the oppresors, so I mock them.

I don't see you how you get "that sucks, they sucks...what have they ever done for me" when I say "Nothing the government does surprises me"

[ShadowBoxing]

Cynic - an idealist whose rose-colored glasses have been removed, snapped in two and stomped into the ground, immediately improving his vision

I'm not an activist. I don't engage in activities that are pre-destined to fail. I can't beat the oppresors, so I mock them.

I don't see you how you get "that sucks, they sucks...what have they ever done for me" when I say "Nothing the government does surprises me"So does it surprise you when they do something right, or only when the suck does it not surprise you.

[Addendum]

So does it surprise you when they do something right, or only when the suck does it not surprise you.
Look up the definition of "nothing" in the dictionary... it's not that hard to understand

[Cyclops]

Gotta love it - no matter how many times these threads show up, no matter how the involved cast changes, the same things manage to be said over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

[Addendum]

Gotta love it - no matter how many times these threads show up, no matter how the involved cast changes, the same things manage to be said over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
But it's such an easy way to increase post count... since I know it's just a spam thread :D

[ShadowBoxing]

Look up the definition of "nothing" in the dictionary... it's not that hard to understandSo I ask you again....if nothing the Government does surprises you *(and you label yourself a cynic) then does it surprise you we went from a completely white property owned and run society which counted African American as 3/5th of a person to a society that grants voting rights to all citizens over 18, passed a Civil Rights act, a Women's rights act, Welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, the Great Society, Urban Housng, Co-Ops and all these other programs for people we used to not even honor as citizens. I mean I could break down why some of those things are not so rosey for certain, however I will say there is almost no way I can prove we have not made a significant amount of progress since 1776. Does that progress not surprise you.

[Addendum]

So I ask you again....if nothing the Government does surprises you *(and you label yourself a cynic) then does it surprise you we went from a completely white property owned and run society which counted African American as 3/5th of a person to a society that grants voting rights to all citizens over 18, passed a Civil Rights act, a Women's rights act, Welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, the Great Society, Urban Housng, Co-Ops and all these other programs for people we used to not even honor as citizens. I mean I could break down why some of those things are so rosey for certain, however I will say there is almost no way I can prove we have not made a significant amount of progress since 1776. Does that progress not surprise you.
Nope

[Admiral_N8]

So does it surprise you when they do something right, or only when the suck does it not surprise you.

Why are you talking to him? HE has repeatedly stated he doesnt give a damn about anything, including 3000 innocents dying on 9/11.

[britrogue]

Bush sucks. End of story.

[TheSumOfGod]

Amen to that. I read literally thousands of pages about a topic and these Frito-munchers want me to "boil it all down" for them.
Sorry, the real truth is impossibly complex and people have devoted their lives to it's study. People are like, "WTH is P.N.A.C. and Bohemian Grove? :confused:" and I'm like, "Welcome to the wondrous world of GOOGLE."

Same here. Which is why I've given up on them and why my quest for the truth has become a personal one. People in general don't want the truth, the truth is too complex and too horrible, they want a very comfortable lie that they can live with.

[Kritish]

Trust me, If it DID happen that way.

I'm moving to Europe.

[Darthphere]

Same here. Which is why I've given up on them and why my quest for the truth has become a personal one. People in general don't want the truth, the truth is too complex and too horrible, they want a very comfortable lie that they can live with.


Exactly, youre so smart.:up:

[TheSumOfGod]

Exactly, youre so smart.:up:

You must get so much pleasure and personal satisfaction from being a jerk. :up:

[Darthphere]

You must get so much pleasure and personal satisfaction from being a jerk. :up:


Probably the same amount you get from sitting on that high horse and calling us close-minded, blind, sheep. Yeah about that much.

[TheSumOfGod]

There's something fundamentally wrong with the psyche of someone who craves power to that degree.

Not really. I figure that pretty much everybody would prefer to live in either A) a well-balanced liberal democracy where people are given as much freedom as they can possibly handle, or B) a totalitarian dictatorship, with them in charge. ;)

[TheSumOfGod]

Thesumofgod can confirm this, because he met a woman who had cuts on her vagina, and the only logical way to explain it is that Reptilians have really sharp genitallia (TSOG's words, not mine) ;) :rolleyes:

Those are not my words. You're doing unpurpose to misquote me and ridicule me, you ass. For the last time, two witnesses and the woman herself confirmed that she was brutally raped by a seven feet tall reptilian creature of humanoid appearance, and the doctor who examined her confirmed that the penis used to rape her had to be 14 inches long, 4 inches wide, covered in scales and have small, sharp, bony protrusions at it's base. And very important, her injuries never healed, a phenomenon quite common in paranormal events. The injuries no longer bleed, but never heal, no matter what treatment is applied, no matter how many years pass. The injured parts had to be surgically removed.

[ShadowBoxing]

Bush sucks. End of story.I think at least 71% can agree on this.:)

[raybia]

Wow, I guess that Reptilians prefer human women to their own.

Who could blame them? Earth girls are easy.

[Kritish]

I think at least 71% can agree on this.:)

Bush sucks gorilla *****, but I doubt he caused 9/11.

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow, I guess that Reptilians prefer human women to their own.

Who could blame them? Earth girls are easy.Reptilians have amassed much money, alcohol, pot and cocaine....be afraid earth women, be very afraid.

[raybia]

Bush sucks gorilla *****, but I doubt he caused 9/11.


Me too. I think he was told it was going to happen and instructed on how to react to the aftermath.

[ShadowBoxing]

Me too. I think he was told it was going to happen and instructed on how to react to the aftermath.Dude he is not that smart, geez. If that was the case when they whispered in his ear what happened he would have said back "Is that the thing we discussed earlier....oh damn I said that out loud in front of all this kids...*picks up book*...hey look it's the Box Car Children, I used to read this".

[TheSumOfGod]

Bush is merely a puppet, a retarded little puppet. And I don't mean "retarded" as an insult, I think he truly is mentally challenged on some level. Like Ozzy Osbourne. :o

[Daisy]

this is old news. bush is an idiot and everyone knows that.

This is always my favorite thing.

Frequently, the same people who accuse Bush and his administration of being stupid or idiots, believe they're involved in this brilliant conspiracy - and it would have to be brilliant in order for it to go off perfectly and for none of the many, many people who would have had to been involved to 'blow the whistle'.

The other part of it is, one sees how the government handled Katrina and all kinds of other major (and even minor) undertakings... they're more often than not screwed up. Yet, people believe in the case of the 9/11 conspiracty... the government was highly competent.

That's the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory... it actually attributes a high level of competence - with no infighting and total cooperation between multiple agencies - to the US Goverment. Talk about living in a fairyland. :D

[Darthphere]

Oh by the way.


CLICK ME! (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html)

[Cracker Jack]

This is always my favorite thing.

Frequently, the same people who accuse Bush and his administration of being stupid or idiots, believe they're involved in this brilliant conspiracy - and it would have to be brilliant in order for it to go off perfectly and for none of the many, many people who would have had to been involved to 'blow the whistle'.

The other part of it is, one sees how the government handled Katrina and all kinds of other major (and even minor) undertakings... they're more often than not screwed up. Yet, people believe in the case of the 9/11 conspiracty... the government was highly competent.

That's the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory... it actually attributes a high level of competence - with no infighting and total cooperation between multiple agencies - to the US Goverment. Talk about living in a fairyland. :D

Excellent post :up:

[raybia]

Dude he is not that smart, geez.

He's not smart enough to follow directions? You're not giving him enough credit. Regardless of how he comes across he's not a complete moron or idiot.
If that was the case when they whispered in his ear what happened he would have said back "Is that the thing we discussed earlier....oh damn I said that out loud in front of all this kids...*picks up book*...hey look it's the Box Car Children, I used to read this".

So he's a bad actor. But an excellent stooge!

[TheSumOfGod]

This is always my favorite thing.

Frequently, the same people who accuse Bush and his administration of being stupid or idiots, believe they're involved in this brilliant conspiracy - and it would have to be brilliant in order for it to go off perfectly and for none of the many, many people who would have had to been involved to 'blow the whistle'.

The other part of it is, one sees how the government handled Katrina and all kinds of other major (and even minor) undertakings... they're more often than not screwed up. Yet, people believe in the case of the 9/11 conspiracty... the government was highly competent.

That's the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory... it actually attributes a high level of competence - with no infighting and total cooperation between multiple agencies - to the US Goverment. Talk about living in a fairyland. :D

That's like saying that the American government couldn't have assassinated JFK, simply because LBJ was an idiot. Nice try. :rolleyes:

[raybia]

That's like saying that the American government couldn't have assassinated JFK, simply because LBJ was an idiot. Nice try. :rolleyes:


When will people realize that the Presidency is just a figurehead and the office answers to the Trilateral commission and the Council of Foreign Relations (Among others.)

[Daisy]

That's like saying that the American government couldn't have assassinated JFK, simply because LBJ was an idiot. Nice try. :rolleyes:

I didn't say it... you did. :)

[Wilhelm-Scream]

This is always my favorite thing.

Frequently, the same people who accuse Bush and his administration of being stupid or idiots, believe they're involved in this brilliant conspiracy - and it would have to be brilliant in order for it to go off perfectly and for none of the many, many people who would have had to been involved to 'blow the whistle'.

The other part of it is, one sees how the government handled Katrina and all kinds of other major (and even minor) undertakings... they're more often than not screwed up. Yet, people believe in the case of the 9/11 conspiracty... the government was highly competent.

That's the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory... it actually attributes a high level of competence - with no infighting and total cooperation between multiple agencies - to the US Goverment. Talk about living in a fairyland. :DI don't know which sub-par Conspiracy-Nuts you've been listening to but I've NEVER heard any characterize things like th^t.
All I've ever heard is that Bush is an idiot figurehead pawn and that the real power lies in the hands of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and others who were involved with P.N.A.C. and they are all brilliant but evil men.

Next, the apparent ineptitude with Katrina, or the lack of supplies for the forces in Iraq, etc. has always either been called intentional, some kindof NWO social engineering, or been a sign that these evil men are only concerned with furthering their own agendas and simply don't give a f*** about "the little people".

[raybia]

That's the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory... it actually attributes a high level of competence - with no infighting and total cooperation between multiple agencies - to the US Goverment. Talk about living in a fairyland. :D

Yeah, the Governments incompetence is why the Tuskegee Experience lasted
for 40 years before being exposed with an formal apology from President Clinton in 1997. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_experiment

Other confirmed conspiracies include:

Operation Northwoods

U.S. coup attempt in Venezuela against President Hugo Chávez.

Project MKULTRA

Not bad for an Incompetence Government that is unable to work together.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Oh yeah, I forgot.
Also, many "whistle blowers" have come forward.
When they do, the mainstream media won't give them the time of day and they're routinely dismissed because 1) they're crackpots, must just be disgruntled ex-employees. and 2) Oh yeah, well, they just have a book to sell.

So, really no ammount of proof is ever good enough for those that choose the fantasy, and that's how they get away with so much.
Guess what...when people started seeing disturbing links and piecing the facts together into what became known as Watergate, they were accused of being paranoid conspiracy freaks, 'cause, well, the president and his men would, just NEVER do stuff like that.

:rolleyes:

[TheSumOfGod]

Oh yeah, I forgot.
Also, many "whistle blowers" have come forward.
When they do, the mainstream media won't give them the time of day and they're routinely dismissed because 1) they're crackpots, must just be disgruntled ex-employees. and 2) Oh yeah, well, they just have a book to sell.

So, really no ammount of proof is ever good enough for those that choose the fantasy, and that's how they get away with so much.
Guess what...when people started seeing disturbing links and piecing the facts together into what became known as Watergate, they were accused of being paranoid conspiracy freaks, 'cause, well, the president and his men would, just NEVER do stuff like that.

:rolleyes:

Precisely. :up:

[raybia]

Oh yeah, I forgot.
Also, many "whistle blowers" have come forward.
When they do, the mainstream media won't give them the time of day and they're routinely dismissed because 1) they're crackpots, must just be disgruntled ex-employees. and 2) Oh yeah, well, they just have a book to sell.

So, really no ammount of proof is ever good enough for those that choose the fantasy, and that's how they get away with so much.
Guess what...when people started seeing disturbing links and piecing the facts together into what became known as Watergate, they were accused of being paranoid conspiracy freaks, 'cause, well, the president and his men would, just NEVER do stuff like that.

:rolleyes:


Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the Watergate Conspiracy.

[Darthphere]

Oh yeah, I forgot.
Also, many "whistle blowers" have come forward.
When they do, the mainstream media won't give them the time of day and they're routinely dismissed because 1) they're crackpots, must just be disgruntled ex-employees. and 2) Oh yeah, well, they just have a book to sell.

So, really no ammount of proof is ever good enough for those that choose the fantasy, and that's how they get away with so much.
Guess what...when people started seeing disturbing links and piecing the facts together into what became known as Watergate, they were accused of being paranoid conspiracy freaks, 'cause, well, the president and his men would, just NEVER do stuff like that.

:rolleyes:


Not really disagreeing with you but its a lot easier to believe something like those 2 points then a government wide conspiracy was behind the killing of thousands of Americans.

[LastSunrise1981]

This is always my favorite thing.

Frequently, the same people who accuse Bush and his administration of being stupid or idiots, believe they're involved in this brilliant conspiracy - and it would have to be brilliant in order for it to go off perfectly and for none of the many, many people who would have had to been involved to 'blow the whistle'.

The other part of it is, one sees how the government handled Katrina and all kinds of other major (and even minor) undertakings... they're more often than not screwed up. Yet, people believe in the case of the 9/11 conspiracty... the government was highly competent.

That's the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory... it actually attributes a high level of competence - with no infighting and total cooperation between multiple agencies - to the US Goverment. Talk about living in a fairyland. :D

So are you saying you wouldn't put it past them? I mean seriously, I don't put anything by the government or any politicians in general.

If at this very moment they were to reveal that Bush created 9/11 so he could go to Iraq it wouldn't surprise me. But then again, that's just my perception on how the government works.

[Addendum]

The words "government" and "works" don't belong in the same sentence, except when pointing out that it's a perfect oxymoron :D

[LastSunrise1981]

The words "government" and "works" don't belong in the same sentence, except when pointing out that it's a perfect oxymoron :D

Fair enough. :D

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Not really disagreeing with you but its a lot easier to believe something like those 2 points then a government wide conspiracy was behind the killing of thousands of Americans.Well, again, Colin Powell's chief of staff, Lawrence Wilkerson came right out and exposed the evil conspiracy regarding Iraq that many of the more reputable "crack-pots" had already been talking about.

No one cares. Most don't even know who the guy is. But they're more than happy to pretend that they know more about it than Colin Powell's chief of staff.

THAT is unbelievable to me.


Also, I always thinks it's funny how people don't think the government's capable of killing 1000's of citizens, when they've already shown precedent by being quite willing to draft thousands of unwilling teenagers into a senseless war where way more than THREE thousand were killed for nothing. I won't even go into all the innocent victims of the C.I.A.
Congress just has the president make a formal apology and they pay restitutions and, welp, that's that. We're the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave" again. :down:)

[Addendum]

But why should I be surprised though, Wilhelm?

I don't see a good reason to be

[Wilhelm-Scream]

But why should I be surprised though, Wilhelm?

I don't see a good reason to beI don't think you should be surprised.:confused:

[TheSumOfGod]

Not really disagreeing with you but its a lot easier to believe something like those 2 points then a government wide conspiracy was behind the killing of thousands of Americans.

Only if you start from the point of view that the American government is run by decent, honest human beings who would never ever do such a thing. But if you actually take a look at history and what is going on behind the scenes, and start from the point of view that the American government is run by greedy, power-hungry sociopaths who don't give a f*** about human life or future generations, then it makes perfect sense.

[Darthphere]

Only if you start from the point of view that the American government is run by decent, honest human beings who would never ever do such a thing. But if you actually take a look at history and what is going on behind the scenes, and start from the point of view that the American government is run by greedy, power-hungry sociopaths who don't give a f*** about human life or future generations, then it makes perfect sense.


Not really. it only makes sense because you want it to make sense.

[TheSumOfGod]

Not really. it only makes sense because you want it to make sense.

It makes sense because of their past actions, and because of the behavior patterns of the people presently in power. Not to mention all of the "coincidences" that keep adding up...

[Darthphere]

It makes sense because of their past actions, and because of the behavior patterns of the people presently in power. Not to mention all of the "coincidences" that keep adding up...


Im not denying the government has some some terrible things but to think every member of the government are heatless, cold bastards is wrong. You believe that because it supports your theories.

[TheSumOfGod]

Im not denying the government has some some terrible things but to think every member of the government are heatless, cold bastards is wrong. You believe that because it supports your theories.

That is a false assumption on your part. I lend credibility to some of these theories (especially the 9/11 ones) simply because the evidence adds up from my point of view. But there are some people out there who believe that Bush was responsible for the tsunami last christmas. Although the super-technology necessary to artificially generate such a natural disaster does seem to exist, I seriously doubt that Bush would have anything to do with that. There is simply no credible evidence or valid motivation present. S**t happens, you know? And I seriously doubt that Bush himself knows anything about 9/11 either, why would he? He's a mentally challenged little puppet who does whatever he's told to do, probably to make his daddy and his friends proud. :rolleyes:

[Darthphere]

That is a false assumption on your part. I lend credibility to some of these theories (especially the 9/11 ones) simply because the evidence adds up from my point of view. But there are some people out there who believe that Bush was responsible for the tsunami last christmas. Although the super-technology necessary to artificially generate such a natural disaster does seem to exist, I seriously doubt that Bush would have anything to do with that. There is simply no credible evidence or valid motivation present. S**t happens, you know? And I seriously doubt that Bush himself knows anything about 9/11 either, why would he? He's a mentally challenged little puppet who does whatever he's told to do, probably to make his daddy and his friends proud. :rolleyes:


The thing is, I may be an ******* to you most of the time, but unlike some guys like Emrys, at least you have some facts and sources to back your statements up. I know that im slightly naive, im like Anne Frank, I believe most people are good at heart. MOST.

[TheSumOfGod]

The thing is, I may be an ******* to you most of the time, but unlike some guys like Emrys, at least you have some facts and sources to back your statements up. I know that im slightly naive, im like Anne Frank, I believe most people are good at heart. MOST.

I know. I don't hate you. But like Bill told the Bride at the end of Kill Bill 2: "No, you're not a bad person. You're my favorite person. But you can be a real c**t sometimes!" :D

[raybia]

He's a mentally challenged little puppet who does whatever he's told to do, probably to make his daddy and his friends proud. :rolleyes:


Not only proud but Rich.

[Darthphere]

I know. I don't hate you. But like Bill told the Bride at the end of Kill Bill 2: "No, you're not a bad person. You're my favorite person. But you can be a real c**t sometimes!" :D


**** is a great word.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I know that im slightly naive, im like Anne Frank, I believe most people are good at heart. MOST.heh, great example. Look what happened to her. lol

[TheSumOfGod]

heh, great example. Look what happened to her. lol

She made plenty of friends and lived happily ever after? :confused: ;)

[Darthphere]

heh, great example. Look what happened to her. lol


Thats exactly my point, all this crazy **** is going down but she still believed that people were good. Is it going to make the world better to believe everyone is evil?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Thats exactly my point, all this crazy **** is going down but she still believed that people were good. Is it going to make the world better to believe everyone is evil?While theoretically it could if enough people would finally believe, No, I don't think it will. However I think it's just as bad to deny the truth about evil, even if you're powerless to eradicate it.

[TheSumOfGod]

Thats exactly my point, all this crazy **** is going down but she still believed that people were good. Is it going to make the world better to believe everyone is evil?

Not everyone, just most of the people in power. And I rather go down fighting and fully aware of what's REALLY been going on than be a clueless average joe wondering why all of these horrible things are happening all of a sudden. :rolleyes:

[ShadowBoxing]

This is always my favorite thing.

Frequently, the same people who accuse Bush and his administration of being stupid or idiots, believe they're involved in this brilliant conspiracy - and it would have to be brilliant in order for it to go off perfectly and for none of the many, many people who would have had to been involved to 'blow the whistle'.

The other part of it is, one sees how the government handled Katrina and all kinds of other major (and even minor) undertakings... they're more often than not screwed up. Yet, people believe in the case of the 9/11 conspiracty... the government was highly competent.

That's the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory... it actually attributes a high level of competence - with no infighting and total cooperation between multiple agencies - to the US Goverment. Talk about living in a fairyland. :DNot only is full cooperation and swiftness nearly abscent in our Government, some would suggest it is designed to be that way.

[raybia]

While theoretically it could if enough people would finally believe, No, I don't think it will. However I think it's just as bad to deny the truth about evil, even if you're powerless to eradicate it.


I concur.

[Darthphere]

While theoretically it could if enough people would finally believe, No, I don't think it will. However I think it's just as bad to deny the truth about evil, even if you're powerless to eradicate it.


Of course, im not saying for people to walk around with their hands on their ears going LALALALALALALA I cant hear you.

[ShadowBoxing]

While theoretically it could if enough people would finally believe, No, I don't think it will. However I think it's just as bad to deny the truth about evil, even if you're powerless to eradicate it.Evil is an entirely subjective term. There is no truth about evil, the only truth I can think of about evil, is to someone else you or something you value is potentially evil.

[TheSumOfGod]

Of course, im not saying for people to walk around with their hands on their ears going LALALALALALALA I cant hear you.

That won't help you much when the reptilians are running around killing and ass-raping people all over the place. :eek: ;)

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Evil is an entirely subjective term. There is no truth about evil, the only truth I can think of about evil, is to someone else you or something you value is potentially evil.mmm, yes Captain Pedanto, I'm obviously talking about my personal definition of evil and the places where it overlaps with the definition of like-minded people, which is of course not a "cosmic truth" but is subjective.
Doi:rolleyes:

[TheSumOfGod]

mmm, yes Captain Pedanto, I'm obviously talking about my personal definition of evil and the places it where it overlaps with the definition of like-minded people, which is of course not a "cosmic truth" but is subjective.
Doi:rolleyes:

I don't know, raping, killing and eating children is probably universally considered to be "evil". Unless there's some seriously f***ed up alien race out there for whom raping, killing and eating their own children is perfectly natural. :confused: :eek:

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't know, raping, killing and eating children is probably universally considered to be "evil". Unless there's some seriously f***ed up alien race out there for whom raping, killing and eating their own children is perfectly natural. :confused: :eek:Well killing could be viewed by cultures as perfectly (as has been) legitimate means of population control, hell in this country lynchings (rapings and killings) were date nights for young couples....and they certainly did not see it as evil. As for eating people, well aside from obvious survival situations, some tribes consider it a downright insult to turn down cooked human flesh.

[Darthphere]

I don't know, raping, killing and eating children is probably universally considered to be "evil". Unless there's some seriously f***ed up alien race out there for whom raping, killing and eating their own children is perfectly natural. :confused: :eek:


I watched that Bohemian Grove video today. Interesting stuff.

[Darthphere]

That won't help you much when the reptilians are running around killing and ass-raping people all over the place. :eek: ;)


Who says they arent doing that already?:confused:

[TheSumOfGod]

Who says they arent doing that already?:confused:

Well, in my opinion, they are, but not out in the open. You're not seeing it happen on the six o'clock news, is what I'm saying. ;)

[TheSumOfGod]

I watched that Bohemian Grove video today. Interesting stuff.

Good for you. :up: Now you know why Clint Eastwood keeps getting millions of dollars to make his movies. ;) :D

[Darthphere]

Good for you. :up: Now you know why Clint Eastwood keeps getting millions of dollars to make his movies. ;) :D


*mental note make plans for summer trip*

[TheSumOfGod]

*mental note make plans for summer trip*

You'd take part in a ritual sacrifice involving human blood to the pagan god Moloch just so that Hollywood lets you make a movie? :confused:

[Darthphere]

You'd take part in a ritual sacrifice involving human blood to the pagan god Moloch just so that Hollywood lets you make a movie? :confused:


Wouldnt you?;)

[TheSumOfGod]

Wouldnt you?;)

But then you'd have to rape a baby Katrina-style to make the sequel. :eek: :(

[Darthphere]

But then you'd have to rape a baby Katrina-style to make the sequel. :eek: :(


Youre right, too much work.

[TheSumOfGod]

Youre right, too much work.

On a side note, remember all those reports of babies being raped when hurricane Katrina hit? I seriously doubt those were the actions of human beings, even if they were gang members. And then FEMA orders 100,000 extra body bags when there were less than 10,000 victims, and they cut communications lines and such. I think there was a reptilian purge going on down there. :o

[Wilhelm-Scream]

purge? you mean smorgasbord.

[Darthphere]

On a side note, remember all those reports of babies being raped when hurricane Katrina hit? I seriously doubt those were the actions of human beings, even if they were gang members. And then FEMA orders 100,000 extra body bags when there were less than 10,000 victims, and they cut communications lines and such. I think there was a reptilian purge going on down there. :o


Crazy. Even if it wasnt reptilians, the people of New Orleans got raped regardless.

[TheSumOfGod]

purge? you mean smorgasbord.

No, I mean reptilians in human form freaking out because of a sudden survival situation, and instinctively raping babies at random (I don't know why, but reptilians rape, kill and eat babies very frequently), and then black ops paramilitary units being sent down there in a hurry to wipe out tens of thousands of them and cremate their remains as fast as possible before people notice that something seriously f***ed up is going on, and it doesn't involve gang members.

[TheSumOfGod]

Crazy. Even if it wasnt reptilians, the people of New Orleans got raped regardless.

Babies got raped. People didn't understand how this was possible. Gang members preying on women who were at the wrong place at the wrong time is one thing, babies being brutally sodomized all over the place is quite another. :eek:

[8Ball2/JanG5]

By this time, why does anyone care who assasinated Kennedy? Who didn't want to assasinate him, CIA or probably Mafia or anybody? His mother made a fortune bootlegging in the mafia, his father owned a sleazy movie distribution business. Kennedy is like a mob prince, inheriting america like some sort of monarchy. We care who killed him why? I have nothing against him, and he may not have been a BAD president but it's like, oh he's dead, oh well, time to move on and give Johnson a hand.

[TheSumOfGod]

By this time, why does anyone care who assasinated Kennedy? Who didn't want to assasinate him, CIA or probably Mafia or anybody? His mother made a fortune bootlegging in the mafia, his father owned a sleazy movie distribution business. Kennedy is like a mob prince, inheriting america like some sort of monarchy. We care who killed him why? I have nothing against him, and he may not have been a BAD president but it's like, oh he's dead, oh well, time to move on and give Johnson a hand.

We care because if the military-industrial complex was directly responsible for his assassination, then it was a coup d'etat. :o

[Wilhelm-Scream]

you know what's neat?
When someone gets murdered...and you bring the bastards who ended a human life to justice.
So, yeah, some care.

And then, if someone's brilliant enough to repeatedly get away with a heinous crime, it's cool to find out who they are and how they did it, if for no other reason than the possibility of preventing similar crimes in the future.
yeah

[TheSumOfGod]

you know what's neat?
When someone gets murdered...and you bring the bastards who ended a human life to justice.
So, yeah, some care.

And then, if someone's brilliant enough to repeatedly get away with a heinous crime, it's cool to find out who they are and how they did it, if for no other reason than the possibility of preventing similar crimes in the future.
yeah

Wilhelm, I don't know how to ask you this, but... are you doing anything later? ;)

[Darthphere]

you know what's neat?
When someone gets murdered...and you bring the bastards who ended a human life to justice.
So, yeah, some care.

And then, if someone's brilliant enough to repeatedly get away with a heinous crime, it's cool to find out who they are and how they did it, if for no other reason than the possibility of preventing similar crimes in the future.
yeah


This makes sense. Therefore, I shall ignore it.

[TheSumOfGod]

This makes sense. Therefore, I shall ignore it.

Right. I wonder what's on tv? Ooooh... a new game show/sitcom!

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wilhelm, I don't know how to ask you this, but... are you doing anything later? ;)Sorry, I have a date with Resident Evil 4.

[Darthphere]

Sorry, I have a date with Resident Evil 4.


That whore.:mad:

[TheSumOfGod]

That whore.:mad:

I f***ed Resident Evil 4 once. One word: Tight. :o

[8Ball2/JanG5]

you know what's neat?
When someone gets murdered...and you bring the bastards who ended a human life to justice.
So, yeah, some care.

And then, if someone's brilliant enough to repeatedly get away with a heinous crime, it's cool to find out who they are and how they did it, if for no other reason than the possibility of preventing similar crimes in the future.
yeah

It happens so often. As if it's ever going to stop...

If a large amount of people have a problem with someone, you can't deny the possibility they could wind up dead.

And how can you stand Resident Evil 4? I quit around the castle stage, it became so repetitive.

[TheSumOfGod]

you know what's neat?
When someone gets murdered...and you bring the bastards who ended a human life to justice.
So, yeah, some care.

And then, if someone's brilliant enough to repeatedly get away with a heinous crime, it's cool to find out who they are and how they did it, if for no other reason than the possibility of preventing similar crimes in the future.
yeah

But how can you bring someone to justice when they control the courts, even the Supreme Court? I know how:

http://www.woofofsteel.com/woof_blog/archives/wolverine-punisher-tpb-thumb.jpg

[WhiteRat]

Okay everytime I try and post a long paragrah I cant seem to be able to so I will have to put it in 2 or 3 posts.Okay yeah Bush and his administration are not idiots,they are just evil monsters who belong behind bars is all.See thats just it,it wasn't kept a secret and there WERE whistle blowers.David Schippers a lawyer in chicago who is the author of the book sellout which is about what he went through when he tried to impeach Clinton in the Monica Lewinsjy scandal.Was blindsided in that though by Clintons cronies and he never had a chance to be given a fair trial against him.When your president of the united states,people in power will cover your tail and give you special treatment.

[WhiteRat]

okay thats enough of the background on Schippers.He also went to attorney general John Ashcrofts office 2 months BEFORE the attacks and was banging down on his door begging him to take a look at some evidence that some FBI agents had that had proof that there were going to be terrorists attacks against the world trade center.They went to Ashcroft because when these same FBI agents went to Bush about it,Bush threatened them with arrest if they tried to stop it when they told him they had evidence there were going to be attacks against it.But Ashcroft like Bush,told them to go away,that he didnt want to hear any of it.So there WERE whistle blowers who knew about it but they could not stop it because the people in high power such as Bush and ashcroft prevented them from doing so.We live in a corrupt society with many corrupt officials in high powers of office that we got to answer to. Those FBI agents got to do what the president of the united states and the attorney general tell them to do so they were fighting a losing cause trying to stop it.When your the president of the united states,you have powerful friends around you who will protect you.All you got to do to understand WHY bush would want this to happen is go to the library and read some books about the Bush family.They have a long history of evildoings that stretch back to the early 20th century.You guys also seem to forget that Bush Sr was the former director of the CIA-which is a very wicked organization and he was also former ambassador to the united nations. And his SON is now the president of the united states? Hmmmmmm. The Only people living in a fairyland are the ones that refuse to acknowledge the truth that Bush had prior knowledge and did nothing to try and stop it from happeneing.

[JLBats]

But how can you bring someone to justice when they control the courts, even the Supreme Court? I know how:

http://www.woofofsteel.com/woof_blog/archives/wolverine-punisher-tpb-thumb.jpg

I recommended that you go all Punisher on them, but you wimped out. Good job defending us from the Reptilians, SumofCoward:(

[cass]

And his SON is now the president of the united states? Hmmmmmm.

It's a sin to have a political family? Wow, the Kennedy family must be a group of demons then.

When's your birthday? I'll send you some new aluminum foil for your hat.

[WhiteRat]

It's a sin to have a political family? Wow, the Kennedy family must be a group of demons then.

When's your birthday? I'll send you some new aluminum foil for your hat.

No But Bush Jr is just as corrupted as Bush Sr is.:rolleyes:

[ShadowBoxing]

No But Bush Jr is just as corrupted as Bush Sr is.:rolleyes:So I assume you know tons of biographical information on both Bush's then, details of what they ran on politically, the bills they have signed into law and such....

[cass]

No But Bush Jr is just as corrupted as Bush Sr is.:rolleyes:

Corrupt? It's a sin to be head of the Central Intelligence Agency.


I just think you're jealous that you're a pissant who no one listens to on a message board instead of holding some office.

[ShadowBoxing]

Corrupt? It's a sin to be head of the Central Intelligence Agency.


I just think you're jealous that you're a pissant who no one listens to on a message board instead of holding some office.To be fair I think he presided over the MENA scandal, however his involved was removed at best (although he may have known full well what went on). Some people also accredit his CIA to leading to the failure in the War on Drugs....oh and his connections to Barry Seal....thats all I can think of right now.


Oh and the Iran Contra affair...

[WhiteRat]

[quote=cass]Corrupt? It's a sin to be head of the Central Intelligence Agency.

When your head of it and you allow it to engage in drug smuggling like BOTH Bushs have done,your corrupt.:rolleyes:

[amazingfantasy15]

Ok, got a couple questions about all this, I've only read the first two and last page of this thread, so they might already have been answered;
1. If people that wanted to stop the attacks knew about them and it now seems like the info. was very detailed, why didn't they contact the FAA, Airport Security, Police, etc... anonymously?
2. Why didn't the people working in the Twin Towers notice all the demolitions charges set in the building they worked at every day? I would think it'd take more than one night to set this up.
3. If Bush and co. are such evil genuises to set up this grand plan for 9/11 why couldn't they plant WMDs in Iraq to prevent them looking like jackasses?

I may just be a blind sheep, but there are just as many holes to disprove the 9/11 conspiracy as there are to disprove the "true events" of 9/11

[WhiteRat]

To be fair I think he presided over the MENA scandal, however his involved was removed at best (although he may have known full well what went on). Some people also accredit his CIA to leading to the failure in the War on Drugs....oh and his connections to Barry Seal....thats all I can think of right now.


Oh and the Iran Contra affair...

Yep.Bush and his long time buddy Clinton while he was governor of Arkansas were involved up to their ears in the Mena drug smuggling scandal with their phony war on drugs.

[cass]

Ok, got a couple questions about all this, I've only read the first two and last page of this thread, so they might already have been answered;
1. If people that wanted to stop the attacks knew about them and it now seems like the info. was very detailed, why didn't they contact the FAA, Airport Security, Police, etc... anonymously?
2. Why didn't the people working in the Twin Towers notice all the demolitions charges set in the building they worked at every day? I would think it'd take more than one night to set this up.
3. If Bush and co. are such evil genuises to set up this grand plan for 9/11 why couldn't they plant WMDs in Iraq to prevent them looking like jackasses?

I may just be a blind sheep, but there are just as many holes to disprove the 9/11 conspiracy as there are to disprove the "true events" of 9/11

1."Dude everyone knows that the goverment is just a facade for the reptilian humanoids who are completely evil. Everyone's against us."
2."There were no people in the buildings, they were all holograms."
3."It's all part of the New World Order."

"You're nothing but a blind sheep with your head stuck in the sand. If you'd buy the damn book for only $6.00 you'd find out the truth. But you won't. Because you're a sheep afraid to open his mind."


:rolleyes:

[WhiteRat]

Ok, got a couple questions about all this, I've only read the first two and last page of this thread, so they might already have been answered;
1. If people that wanted to stop the attacks knew about them and it now seems like the info. was very detailed, why didn't they contact the FAA, Airport Security, Police, etc... anonymously?
2. Why didn't the people working in the Twin Towers notice all the demolitions charges set in the building they worked at every day? I would think it'd take more than one night to set this up.
3. If Bush and co. are such evil genuises to set up this grand plan for 9/11 why couldn't they plant WMDs in Iraq to prevent them looking like jackasses?

I may just be a blind sheep, but there are just as many holes to disprove the 9/11 conspiracy as there are to disprove the "true events" of 9/11

those are good thought out questions and I will try to have a more detailed answer for you tomorrow when i talk to my friend about this.He really studies this stuff like crazy.He is at it like night and day unlike me where I just read about it once in a while.But for now
1.I have never met these people personally so I dont know.I imigine they might have thought they would have taken them as a crackpot if they did it like that,who knows.I wasnt the one that had that prior knowledge.
2.They probably had them well disguised and hidden real well I imiagine.Plus they are pros,they could have done it real quick during the night I imiagine.
3.what do you mean by WMD'S?

[amazingfantasy15]

Thanks for setting me straight cass, been asked those questions for a long time and never got answers. I see the light, bring on the reptilian ass raping!

[cass]

Thanks for setting me straight cass, been asked those questions for a long time and never got answers. I see the light, bring on the reptilian ass raping!

Glad to help.

[WhiteRat]

"You're nothing but a blind sheep with your head stuck in the sand. If you'd buy the damn book for only $6.00 you'd find out the truth. But you won't. Because you're a sheep afraid to open his mind."


:rolleyes:[/quote]

THIS part is the ony part that has ANY intelligence in this post of yours because yes,instead of asking those questions,buy the damn book so you will get the answers that prove it all.:rolleyes: because yeah your one of those sheep who dont want to open your mind.

[ShadowBoxing]

Yep.Bush and his long time buddy Clinton while he was governor of Arkansas were involved up to their ears in the Mena drug smuggling scandal with their phony war on drugs.Bush was probably much more removed from it than Clinton. I actually would question Bush's involvement at all...the only thing we know is he told an agent to "stop asking questions", however that could mean a varying degree of things. Clinton was recieving a cut (albeit very small), however the two were not "buddies". I would go get a biography of the respective gentlemen in question before you start making these remarks. Bush was extremely removed from Mena, aside from presiding over the CIA when the scandal began there is no indication he had any direct involvement (even if he was allowing it).

You seem very zealous to defame agencies and people you seem to have little or no knowledge of outside of knowing your "suppose" to hate them in order to further your viewpoint. No neither are perfect politicians, certainly not as clean as FDR or Carter were before taking office, however they are nothing compared to Marion Barry, any number of Louisana politicians, or Andrew Jackson (God I hate him--In fact I would not mind Reagan taking his place on the 20).

It's fine to hate our Government as much as it's okay to hate cheese...or like myself Fast Food. However after years of studying nutritian and the fast food industry in my pursuit of Fitness I have some grounds by which to base these beliefs and opinions. You should trying reading about these people first, then judging them. I might not disagree/agree with you on certain critiques of politians however that does not mean I give you some free pass for seeing eye to eye with me on Geogre H W Bush (or whoever), you need to know about what you speak and not just repeat to me the "party line" of some conspiracy blog.

[JLBats]

those are good thought out questions and I will try to have a more detailed answer for you tomorrow when i talk to my friend about this.He really studies this stuff like crazy.He is at it like night and day unlike me where I just read about it once in a while.But for now
1.I have never met these people personally so I dont know.I imigine they might have thought they would have taken them as a crackpot if they did it like that,who knows.I wasnt the one that had that prior knowledge.
2.They probably had them well disguised and hidden real well I imiagine.Plus they are pros,they could have done it real quick during the night I imiagine.
3.what do you mean by WMD'S?

You say "I imagine" and "who knows" a few times in this post. This is to be advised against.

[amazingfantasy15]

those are good thought out questions and I will try to have a more detailed answer for you tomorrow when i talk to my friend about this.He really studies this stuff like crazy.He is at it like night and day unlike me where I just read about it once in a while.But for now
1.I have never met these people personally so I dont know.I imigine they might have thought they would have taken them as a crackpot if they did it like that,who knows.I wasnt the one that had that prior knowledge.
2.They probably had them well disguised and hidden real well I imiagine.Plus they are pros,they could have done it real quick during the night I imiagine.
3.what do you mean by WMD'S?

1. The FBI supposedly knew and tried to stop it, I would think officials from the FAA or Airport Security would follow up on an FBI tip.
2. Imagine how much explosive it would take to demolish a 110 story building, they hid it?!?! Set it up in a night?!?! You're gonna have to do better than that to convince me.
3. All you theories and posts are moot (aka I don't believe them) if you don't know what WMD means, Weapon of Mass Destruction, the original reason we went to Iraq.

[cass]

"You're nothing but a blind sheep with your head stuck in the sand. If you'd buy the damn book for only $6.00 you'd find out the truth. But you won't. Because you're a sheep afraid to open his mind."


:rolleyes:

THIS part is the ony part that has ANY intelligence in this post of yours because yes,instead of asking those questions,buy the damn book so you will get the answers that prove it all.:rolleyes: because yeah your one of those sheep who dont want to open your mind.[/quote]

If it really mattered, if what was being said was the truth that would let the scales fall from everyone's eyes, and they're doing this because it's the right thing to do, why are they trying to make a buck off of it?

They're not. They're just picking up some cash from people who are so open minded that their brains fell out.

[WhiteRat]

1. The FBI supposedly knew and tried to stop it, I would think officials from the FAA or Airport Security would follow up on an FBI tip.
2. Imagine how much explosive it would take to demolish a 110 story building, they hid it?!?! Set it up in a night?!?! You're gonna have to do better than that to convince me.
3. All you theories and posts are moot (aka I don't believe them) if you don't know what WMD means, Weapon of Mass Destruction, the original reason we went to Iraq.

Like I said,I will come back with you tomorrow with better answers for you from my friend who studies this stuff practically night and day.

[amazingfantasy15]

Originally Posted by Daisy
This is always my favorite thing.

Frequently, the same people who accuse Bush and his administration of being stupid or idiots, believe they're involved in this brilliant conspiracy - and it would have to be brilliant in order for it to go off perfectly and for none of the many, many people who would have had to been involved to 'blow the whistle'.

The other part of it is, one sees how the government handled Katrina and all kinds of other major (and even minor) undertakings... they're more often than not screwed up. Yet, people believe in the case of the 9/11 conspiracty... the government was highly competent.

That's the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory... it actually attributes a high level of competence - with no infighting and total cooperation between multiple agencies - to the US Goverment. Talk about living in a fairyland.

That's like saying that the American government couldn't have assassinated JFK, simply because LBJ was an idiot. Nice try. :rolleyes:

I realize this is from a few pages ago, but just getting caught up. The JFK assasination involved killing one man, probably didn't require a whole lot of man power. 9/11 involved the destroying/disappearing 4 planes, demolished 2 110 story buildings, bombing the pentagon, faking a plane crash and the death of thousands of Americans. That would require an enormous amount of planning and personnel to go off without a hitch and according to all the conspiracy theorists it did go off exactly as the evil government planned.

Tell ya what, I've got a few beans to sell you, plant them and you'll be able to grow a beanstalk to a land of giants.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

actually the official gov't. explanation that was provided is WAY more far-fetched than the conspiracy-freak explanation.

Any time a plane goes out of contact with the tower for more than 20 minutes, the procedure is to have fighters ready to scramble.

That wasn't the case with 9/11 and Air Force controllers have talked about how Cheney inexplicably told them to stand down and that there was a confusion because Cheney scheduled exercises for that day or something.


I could go on and on but none of you want to believe any evidence that's offerred so, f*** it.

[Darthphere]

actually the official gov't. explanation that was provided is WAY more far-fetched than the conspiracy-freak explanation.

Any time a plane goes out of contact with the tower for more than 20 minutes, the procedure is to have fighters ready to scramble.

That wasn't the case with 9/11 and Air Force controllers have talked about how Cheney inexplicably told them to stand down and that there was a confusion because Cheney scheduled exercises for that day or something.


I could go on and on but none of you want to believe any evidence that's offerred so, f*** it.


Ill believe Wilhelm. Well, at least consider it.:(

[WhiteRat]

Originally Posted by Daisy
This is always my favorite thing.

Frequently, the same people who accuse Bush and his administration of being stupid or idiots, believe they're involved in this brilliant conspiracy - and it would have to be brilliant in order for it to go off perfectly and for none of the many, many people who would have had to been involved to 'blow the whistle'.

The other part of it is, one sees how the government handled Katrina and all kinds of other major (and even minor) undertakings... they're more often than not screwed up. Yet, people believe in the case of the 9/11 conspiracty... the government was highly competent.

That's the most laughable part of this conspiracy theory... it actually attributes a high level of competence - with no infighting and total cooperation between multiple agencies - to the US Goverment. Talk about living in a fairyland.



I realize this is from a few pages ago, but just getting caught up. The JFK assasination involved killing one man, probably didn't require a whole lot of man power. 9/11 involved the destroying/disappearing 4 planes, demolished 2 110 story buildings, bombing the pentagon, faking a plane crash and the death of thousands of Americans. That would require an enormous amount of planning and personnel to go off without a hitch and according to all the conspiracy theorists it did go off exactly as the evil government planned.

Tell ya what, I've got a few beans to sell you, plant them and you'll be able to grow a beanstalk to a land of giants.

Yeah but they kept the JFK assassination a secret from the majority of people for over 30 years till the movie came out.till the movie came out,i always believed that Oswald did it because thats all I was ever taught.Once I got exposed to other evidence out there that shot down the official version,I knew the warren commission wasa bunch of crap.But they kept that a secret for so many years so thats prove that they are able to keep secrets.The governement keeps secrets from the citizens of the country all the time.we dont know even half of what goes on in washington behind closed doors.

[WhiteRat]

Bush was probably much more removed from it than Clinton. I actually would question Bush's involvement at all...the only thing we know is he told an agent to "stop asking questions", however that could mean a varying degree of things. Clinton was recieving a cut (albeit very small), however the two were not "buddies". I would go get a biography of the respective gentlemen in question before you start making these remarks. Bush was extremely removed from Mena, aside from presiding over the CIA when the scandal began there is no indication he had any direct involvement (even if he was allowing it).

You seem very zealous to defame agencies and people you seem to have little or no knowledge of outside of knowing your "suppose" to hate them in order to further your viewpoint. No neither are perfect politicians, certainly not as clean as FDR or Carter were before taking office, however they are nothing compared to Marion Barry, any number of Louisana politicians, or Andrew Jackson (God I hate him--In fact I would not mind Reagan taking his place on the 20).

It's fine to hate our Government as much as it's okay to hate cheese...or like myself Fast Food. However after years of studying nutritian and the fast food industry in my pursuit of Fitness I have some grounds by which to base these beliefs and opinions. You should trying reading about these people first, then judging them. I might not disagree/agree with you on certain critiques of politians however that does not mean I give you some free pass for seeing eye to eye with me on Geogre H W Bush (or whoever), you need to know about what you speak and not just repeat to me the "party line" of some conspiracy blog.

Okay since this site doesnt allow me to post a long length explanation like I try to everytime on this,I will just say Dude I have read about Clinton and Bush many times in books.again this just shows how you never read prior posts like you claim you do.Yes Bush wasnt involved in MENA to the extremes that Clinton was but he knew about it.Just read the book by Terry Reed-whom I have met and heard him talk about his book before called COMPROMISED,CLINTON BUSH AND THE CIA,How the presidency was co opted by the CIA.He goes into detail about How Bush and Clinton have been long time buddies and Clintons connections to the CIA.Terry Reed goes into detail his friendship with Barry seal in that book and how he came across Clinton in some a few meetings on a couple of occassions as well.

[WhiteRat]

actually the official gov't. explanation that was provided is WAY more far-fetched than the conspiracy-freak explanation.

Any time a plane goes out of contact with the tower for more than 20 minutes, the procedure is to have fighters ready to scramble.

That wasn't the case with 9/11 and Air Force controllers have talked about how Cheney inexplicably told them to stand down and that there was a confusion because Cheney scheduled exercises for that day or something.


I could go on and on but none of you want to believe any evidence that's offerred so, f*** it.

Yeah I remember hearing about that somewhere now that I think about it I just didnt know the details like you did.

[WhiteRat]

okay here is the answers to you amazing fantasy on your questions from the other day that I promised I would have for you that I just talked to my friend about yesterday who studies this thing night and day..I will have to post quite a few posts since I cant post long paragraphs here.1.They did try and warn the air towers that it was going to happen anoumously but just as I suspected,when you try and warn people about something like that anoumously,they dont take you serious and just take it as a prank unfortunately thats what they did.They could come forward and do it because they knew that their familys would be threatened if they tried to do so so they DID try anoumously but they were ignored.There are people from the air towers that have come forward anoumously and said that there were indeed people that called in with warnings that it would happen.one lady name sybil-something,she was an arabic translater who worked for the state department tried many times to alert officials that she had documents that proved terrorists attacks were imminent on the world trade center but she was ignored.Plus as I said before,alex jones as well knew they were going to happen.He said so on his show two months before the attacks they were going to happen and tried to get the word out but also was ignored.so there WERE indeed whistle blowers,they were just ignored.

[WhiteRat]

2.well what a lot of researchers believe is that back then when they built the buildings,they planted bombs in them back then because when they build big buildings such as the twin towers or in major cities like new york or chicago,they do so in because in case there is a big explosion or something and huge damage has been done to the building,then they cant just detonate the building to make it fall down like it did do it wont land on other buildings in the area and cause damage to them.they CAN disguise them you know so that people dont see them.They think that most of the bombs were planted back then but not all of them of course.when the buildings are first constructed,its obviously not in the city planning commissions plans to do that,but they go on unbeknownest to some of the construction workers.If they are told you and you guys only get to go there,-well the people in charge on building th ebuildings and can keep the honest workers from finding out about it because not all of them would go along with it.

[WhiteRat]

More than likely they had some CIA operatives there when the building was first being constructed plant them in which is not far fetched when you think about it because congress did an investigation into the CIA years ago and they discovered documents of how the CIA "DOES" indeed penetrate organizations.we already know they were involved in the kenneday assassination and it looks like they were involved in a much broader scale in this as well.There were indeed bombs that DID go off because in one of the videos taken by a newsmen it has firefighters talking about how they almost simultanously heard bombs go off one after the other and they mention that they have fought enough fires where the put out fires of buildings because of bombs going off.so they know what bombs sound like.the government also says that a photo with a silvery object sticking out is aluminum but we know it cant be because aluminum always gives off a shiny yellowish glow to it so as usual,there is something wrong with the governemtns official version.

[WhiteRat]

3.Well Bush is a puppet.H eis not his own man,no president is.Thats why Kennedy got killed because he did not realise that and mistakenly believed the president makes the decisions about the country.thats the way its SUPPOSE To be,but thats not how it is.He only follows what his people teel him to do,ceratin people like his dad,cheney,ect.They did try but the military moved them out before they could.well its good that you are asking questions amazing fantasy and I am glad to see you doing so,because it shows that you have a seeking mind and are open minded to reason.:) therefore I really hope you order tha book in that link I provided.:)

[ShadowBoxing]

3.Well Bush is a puppet.H eis not his own man,no president is.Thats why Kennedy got killed because he did not realise that and mistakenly believed the president makes the decisions about the country.thats the way its SUPPOSE To be,but thats not how it is.He only follows what his people teel him to do,ceratin people like his dad,cheney,ect.They did try but the military moved them out before they could.well its good that you are asking questions amazing fantasy and I am glad to see you doing so,because it shows that you have a seeking mind and are open minded to reason.:) therefore I really hope you order tha book in that link I provided.:)That makes no f---ing sense whatsoever. He was mistaken but then is replaced by LBJ who was known for "twisting arms" to get what he wanted. In fact in nearly every single memoir that makes reference to LBJ they say how afraid people were to go against his decisions. He personally got more legislation past and created that any other seated President....it's pretty pathetic when the only way you keep your thread alive is by making the last 6 or 7 posts yourself.

[WhiteRat]

That makes no f---ing sense whatsoever. He was mistaken but then is replaced by LBJ who was known for "twisting arms" to get what he wanted. In fact in nearly every single memoir that makes reference to LBJ they say how afraid people were to go against his decisions. He personally got more legislation past and created that any other seated President....it's pretty pathetic when the only way you keep your thread alive is by making the last 6 or 7 posts yourself.

If the damn sight would allow me to make more lengthy posts like I would like to and like other sites do,I would not have to make so many damn posts one after another and could make it into just a couple or so.:mad: Most of LbJ's legislation though was what kennedy already started i'm pretty sure.and whats that have to do with my post on kennedy not knowing that the president does not run the country like he thought they did?

[Wilhelm-Scream]

That makes no f---ing sense whatsoever. He was mistaken but then is replaced by LBJ who was known for "twisting arms" to get what he wanted.Hmmm, in light of the fact that it's common knowledge that LBJ loathed the Kennedys, one could almost wonder about whether or not he "twisted arms" and "got what he wanted" with regards to the Kennedys, especially considering that he was practically hitting on Jackie before the blood on the seats was dry.

[ShadowBoxing]

If the damn sight would allow me to make more lengthy posts like I would like to and like other sites do,I would not have to make so many damn posts one after another and could make it into just a couple or so.:mad: Most of LbJ's legislation though was what kennedy already started i'm pretty sure.and whats that have to do with my post on kennedy not knowing that the president does not run the country like he thought they did?Actually quiet the opposite. He passed those things to distance himself from Kennedy, who as Wilhelm pointed out, he was not that fond of....however I doubt LBJ's involvement with Kennedy's assassination....it had something to do with Cuba, the Mob and CIA.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

yeah, that's why I said "one could almost wonder whether or not".
But I didn't even bring it up to talk about JFK conspiracies. I was saying that LBJ's success doesn't necessarily prove that Whiterat's characterization of JFK was "ridiculous".
In "Conspiracy-Land", it actually could strongly indicate that his characterization was correct.
Meaning, it's not "the office of the president", but instead the person who holds the office and how Machiavellian or well-connected they are.

[Edd Extraordinaire]

You're all getting off topic! :D

[celldog]

Actually quiet the opposite. He passed those things to distance himself from Kennedy, who as Wilhelm pointed out, he was not that fond of....however I doubt LBJ's involvement with Kennedy's assassination....it had something to do with Cuba, the Mob and CIA.


LBJ did more for civil rights than Kennedy ever did. That much I'll give him.


http://www.villagedemocrats.org/oldsite/_derived/vid_is___.htm_txt_lbj1ss.gif

[TheSumOfGod]

actually the official gov't. explanation that was provided is WAY more far-fetched than the conspiracy-freak explanation.

Any time a plane goes out of contact with the tower for more than 20 minutes, the procedure is to have fighters ready to scramble.

That wasn't the case with 9/11 and Air Force controllers have talked about how Cheney inexplicably told them to stand down and that there was a confusion because Cheney scheduled exercises for that day or something.


I could go on and on but none of you want to believe any evidence that's offerred so, f*** it.

At this point, I'm starting to suspect that nothing short of a televised confession from Dubya, Cheney and the others would convince them, and even there, they could always blame the "liberal media". :rolleyes:

[ScottyBBadd]

At this point, I'm starting to suspect that nothing short of a televised confession from Dubya, Cheney and the others would convince them, and even there, they could always blame the "liberal media". :rolleyes:

TSOG, no ammount of evidence to the contrary would convince you that there are fewer conspiracy therories than you think. Conspiracy therories like 9/11 keep everyone looking away from the real ones...which are not as spectular, but more incriminating.

[FlameHead]

I think this is the best place for me to post this information though, it goes beyond Bush just knowing 9/11 would happen...

C-SPAN to Air Historic 9/11 Expose - July 29th

A decision that many of us were waiting on with baited breath - C-Span's scheduling of the American Scholars Symposium highlights - infuses the 9/11 truth movement with a fresh injection of credibility and exposure to more mainstream audiences.

The panel features incredible presentations by 9/11 Scholars for Truth founder James Fetzer, BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones, President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret., Filmmaker and Radio Broadcaster Alex Jones, and Terrorism Expert Webster Tarpley.

C-Span viewers will witness what many consider to be the most hard hitting conference to date including the most professional and credible speakers ever assembled.

Many have expressed a degree of frustration that some quarters of the 9/11 truth movement are not as bold in their stance when drawing conclusions about 9/11 evidence as is necessary to make an impact. The American Scholars Symposium was crystal clear in its summation that 9/11 represents an inside job carried out by criminal elements within the US government. The deliberate implosion of the twin towers and Building 7 allied with the reversal of routine air defense procedures leave no other explanation than the fact that the attack was a self-inflicted wound.

Preaching to the choir is a method best left in the past and the C-Span airing is a positive step towards reaching out and educating those who remain in the dark about the staggering volume of evidence which clearly indicates that the official story behind 9/11 is a fraud.

The distinction, background and high esteem of the speakers at the conference, coupled with C-Span's notable reputation as a bellwether of the mainstream body politic, provides for a perfect symbiosis to advance the credibility and critical acclaim of the 9/11 truth movement as something far weightier and more influential than a cadre of conspiracy theorists - a label still peddled by fading elements of the blowhard establishment press.

It is crucial that everyone see this historic panel discussion on C-SPAN. Tell your friends and family, email colleagues, and post links on message boards. This is an incredible step in spreading the word about the truth about 9/11. It is vital that you focus your educational efforts solely on those who are still unaware of cover-up pertaining to 9/11.

The program will air on C-SPAN 1 at 8PM EST (7PM CST) on Saturday, July 29th and then air again for the West Coast at 11pm EST (10pm CST). You can watch the program online at the times stated above...

Do yourself a favor; get informed.

[Pillow Pants]

Lol. Do yourself a favor. Don't waste your energy.

[FlameHead]

Thanks for the advice. Sorry if I don't take it.

[Axid]

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http://content.ytmnd.com/content/8/9/5/89531a8642da96dcc2b6f00c4f61aadb.gif

[FlameHead]

Again, because it's important...

C-SPAN to Air Historic 9/11 Expose - July 29th

A decision that many of us were waiting on with baited breath - C-Span's scheduling of the American Scholars Symposium highlights - infuses the 9/11 truth movement with a fresh injection of credibility and exposure to more mainstream audiences.

The panel features incredible presentations by 9/11 Scholars for Truth founder James Fetzer, BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones, President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret., Filmmaker and Radio Broadcaster Alex Jones, and Terrorism Expert Webster Tarpley.

C-Span viewers will witness what many consider to be the most hard hitting conference to date including the most professional and credible speakers ever assembled.

Many have expressed a degree of frustration that some quarters of the 9/11 truth movement are not as bold in their stance when drawing conclusions about 9/11 evidence as is necessary to make an impact. The American Scholars Symposium was crystal clear in its summation that 9/11 represents an inside job carried out by criminal elements within the US government. The deliberate implosion of the twin towers and Building 7 allied with the reversal of routine air defense procedures leave no other explanation than the fact that the attack was a self-inflicted wound.

Preaching to the choir is a method best left in the past and the C-Span airing is a positive step towards reaching out and educating those who remain in the dark about the staggering volume of evidence which clearly indicates that the official story behind 9/11 is a fraud.

The distinction, background and high esteem of the speakers at the conference, coupled with C-Span's notable reputation as a bellwether of the mainstream body politic, provides for a perfect symbiosis to advance the credibility and critical acclaim of the 9/11 truth movement as something far weightier and more influential than a cadre of conspiracy theorists - a label still peddled by fading elements of the blowhard establishment press.

It is crucial that everyone see this historic panel discussion on C-SPAN. Tell your friends and family, email colleagues, and post links on message boards. This is an incredible step in spreading the word about the truth about 9/11. It is vital that you focus your educational efforts solely on those who are still unaware of cover-up pertaining to 9/11.

The program will air on C-SPAN 1 at 8PM EST (7PM CST) on Saturday, July 29th and then air again for the West Coast at 11pm EST (10pm CST). You can watch the program online at the times stated above...

[Super Flight]

yea the people demand to know the truth

[JLBats]

Yeah, I'm sure this airing on C-Span will start some kinda revolution.

[Super Flight]

What i dont understand is why the hell did World Trade center #7 fall down?

[FlameHead]

Yeah, I'm sure this airing on C-Span will start some kinda revolution.

I won't. It should but, it won't. It will definitely help though.

[FlameHead]

What i dont understand is why the hell did World Trade center #7 fall down?

That's the biggest smoking gun there is. Theres hundreds of smoking guns but, that's the biggest. And what's worse is that most Americans don't even know that building 7 fell.

[Super Flight]

yea...like me... i had no idea that there even was other world trade centers, other then the twin towers... is there an footage of world trade center 7 falling down??

[JLBats]

That's the biggest smoking gun there is. Theres hundreds of smoking guns but, that's the biggest. And what's worse is that most Americans don't even know that building 7 fell.

I guess it was pretty stupid of that ultra elite society of conspirators to make that building fall then, huh?

[JLBats]

yea...like me... i had no idea that there even was other world trade centers, other then the twin towers... is there an footage of world trade center 7 falling down??

It fell down many hours after the fact.

[rodhulk]

yea...like me... i had no idea that there even was other world trade centers, other then the twin towers... is there an footage of world trade center 7 falling down??Yes, I heard about that.

A couple of other buidlings fell too, but most don't know about it.

[Super Flight]

Here i found a video about world trade center 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwTYjatoU68

[FlameHead]

yea...like me... i had no idea that there even was other world trade centers, other then the twin towers... is there an footage of world trade center 7 falling down??

http://www.wtcdemolition.com/wtc-7-small.gif

There's plenty of video's on the subject. I have a lot of them embedded on a blog if you like...

http://canadawantsthetruth911.blogspot.com

[JLBats]

I would imagine the building would've been damaged by the huge explosions and debris.

Or maybe the government randomly blew it up for no reason. Whatever.

[FlameHead]

I would imagine the building would've been damaged by the huge explosions and debris.

Or maybe the government randomly blew it up for no reason. Whatever.

No other buildings fell except the WTC's. It's a little strange the the only buildings that fell were the ones owned by Larry Silversteen, who just 6 weeks before signed a 99 year lease, which not only provided insurance on the building but also a guarantee that he would get the rights to build it's replacement. He made 2 billion dollars from the destructions that day after asking for 7. This is fact.

As for building 7, it recently had two floors reinforced and developed as a command center for Rudy Guiliani and other Government officials. This is where they watched it all happen that day and when they were done, around 5:30 in the evening, the pulled the building destroying all evidence. That's why they 'randomly blew it up'.

[Super Flight]

How do they sleep at night..... i hope they burn in hell, everyone who truley had something to do with 9/11

[FlameHead]

They wont until Americans stand up and take their country back which will force everyone to stand up and take thier world back.

It's time for a revolution.

[JLBats]

No other buildings fell except the WTC's. It's a little strange the the only buildings that fell were the ones owned by Larry Silversteen, who just 6 weeks before signed a 99 year lease, which not only provided insurance on the building but also a guarantee that he would get the rights to build it's replacement. He made 2 billion dollars from the destructions that day after asking for 7. This is fact.

As for building 7, it recently had two floors reinforced and developed as a command center for Rudy Guiliani and other Government officials. This is where they watched it all happen that day and when they were done, around 5:30 in the evening, the pulled the building destroying all evidence. That's why they 'randomly blew it up'.

The Larry Silversteen stuff is no slam dunk. In law, it'd be considered suspicious, but not suspicious enough to close the book on him.

So they built a command center for Rudy Guiliani in an area they knew would be heavily damaged by debris, and would also have massive explosives within it?

...I dunno, was there no easier way to watch it all happen, without needing to build a very suspicious "command center in a building full of explosives beside two buildings that would be exploding?

[JLBats]

How do they sleep at night..... i hope they burn in hell, everyone who truley had something to do with 9/11

Suspicion equalizey fact on teh Intrawebs!!

[Truthteller]

Giuliani and his staff were out of WTC 7 well before the end of the day. Even before noon he had long evacuated the building because of the mammoth damage it had taken due to the falling debris. The towers fell basically on top and around it. And then it burned.

WTC 7 stands amid the rubble of the recently collapsed Twin Towers. Damaged by falling debris, the building then endures a fire that rages for hours. Experts say this combination, not a demolition-style implosion, led to the roofline “kink” that signals WTC 7’s progressive collapse. Much more here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-wtc7-sm.jpg

How about a link to the site that provided that C-span blurb? It sounded less than objective.

[Super Flight]

yea but if everyone stands up, we'll start to see storm troppers marching down the streets with Galactic starsips in the shy with george bush at the controlls fooling around,

[cass]

They wont until Americans stand up and take their country back which will force everyone to stand up and take thier world back.

It's time for a revolution.

And you're leading it on a comic book movie forum?

[FlameHead]

The Larry Silversteen stuff is no slam dunk. In law, it'd be considered suspicious, but not suspicious enough to close the book on him.

So they built a command center for Rudy Guiliani in an area they knew would be heavily damaged by debris, and would also have massive explosives within it?

...I dunno, was there no easier way to watch it all happen, without needing to build a very suspicious "command center in a building full of explosives beside two buildings that would be exploding?

It's not a slam dunk but when it's added to everthing else, it's definatly kindling for the bonfire. Especially when you watch the video where he says that he had the building 'pulled' which is a demolition word for controlled demolition. This was a huge screw up.

I'll get you information on the command center in a few minutes but for now...

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/wtc-7.gif

[JLBats]

And you're leading it on a comic book movie forum?

Get your inhalers, warriors!

[FlameHead]

Giuliani and his staff were out of WTC 7 well before the end of the day. Even before noon he had long evacuated the building because of the mammoth damage it had taken due to the falling debris. The towers fell basically on top and around it. And then it burned.

WTC 7 stands amid the rubble of the recently collapsed Twin Towers. Damaged by falling debris, the building then endures a fire that rages for hours. Experts say this combination, not a demolition-style implosion, led to the roofline “kink” that signals WTC 7’s progressive collapse. Much more here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-wtc7-sm.jpg

How about a link to the site that provided that C-span blurb? It sounded less than objective.

Ah yes, the wonderful popular mechanics article that every non believer links too. How pathetic.

You're right, the article is from the Truth side:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cspan_airing_conference_shows_mainstreaming.htm

That's not the point though. The point is that it's airing and people should watch it.

[cass]

Get your inhalers, warriors!

Don't forget the retainers and your Spidey under-roos.

[FlameHead]

See the squibs before it falls at free fall speed? See the top cave before the rest fall?

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/wtc-7.gif

This is controlled demolition.

[JLBats]

Ah yes, the wonderful popular mechanics article that every non believer links too. How pathetic.


And yet I have yet to see it debunked. How pathetic:confused:


You're right, the article is from the Truth side:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/cspan_airing_conference_shows_mainstreaming.htm

That's not the point though. The point is that it's airing and people should watch it.

Info Wars is basically twenty paranoid autistics with baseball bats.

[JLBats]

See the squibs before it falls at free fall speed? See the top cave before the rest fall?

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/wtc-7.gif

This is controlled demolition.

I see neither of these things:confused::up:

[Truthteller]

Ah yes, the wonderful popular mechanics article that every non believer links too. How pathetic.:down

Pardon me?

"Non believer" Yeah. Thats me. I don't believe in anything other than what can be reasonably and (mostly) objectively be shown to be true. If you advocate a quasi-religious movement that requires a leap of faith, then yeah, count me out.

[Super Flight]

Yea...Larry Silversteen said it was Pulled http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3E-26oVIIs

[FlameHead]

And yet I have yet to see it debunked. How pathetic:confused:


No? Well here are 3 essays debunking the article.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/debunking/popularmechanics.html

[FlameHead]

:down

Pardon me?

"Non believer" Yeah. Thats me. I don't believe in anything other than what can be reasonably and (mostly) objectively be shown to be true. If you advocate a quasi-religious movement that requires a leap of faith, then yeah, count me out.

Fine. I don't care who believes and who doesn't. That's not my problem. I'm just pointing out the evidence.

[Super Flight]

This is a better one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

[FlameHead]

I see neither of these things:confused::up:

You have to actually open your eyes and look at the animated picture. That helps.

[JLBats]

Um... no one seems to have yet come up with the true meaning of the word "pulled".

I'm also always amused by people catching these little "slips" and crying "HE ADMITTED IT!"

I mean, if I say "Last night I had sex with a horse" but meant "I only kissed it", I guess my slip up is what should be taken as gospel.

[Truthteller]

Fine. I don't care who believes and who doesn't. That's not my problem. I'm just pointing out the evidence. Then maybe you might want to consider dropping the "pathetic" comment about my post.

[JLBats]

You have to actually open your eyes and look at the animated picture. That helps.

Oh, sorry, I was totally staring at the screen with my eyes shut real tight. I was all "Hm, I don't know what's going on onscreen, I guess I will have to assemble a post using my good ole 'Net intuition..."

[FlameHead]

Then maybe you might want to consider dropping the "pathetic" comment about my post.

I'm sorry if I find it pathetic that those who refute the evidence use only one article to do it with. That's the best I can do; say I'm sorry.

[cass]

I'm sorry if I find it pathetic that those who refute the evidence use only one article to do it with. That's the best I can do; say I'm sorry.


Sometimes one's all it takes. Especially with moonbats.

[Super Flight]

heres another interesting one....it shows the fire, but the fire is very small...hmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDNPJAr_Ao

[FlameHead]

Oh, sorry, I was totally staring at the screen with my eyes shut real tight. I was all "Hm, I don't know what's going on onscreen, I guess I will have to assemble a post using my good ole 'Net intuition..."

Look, if you can't see the top (The black area on TOP) fall before the rest of the building does, then you're not looking at it. If you can't see the squibs and/or fissures and/or cracks go up the side of the building on the left and the right and also on the top right outter corner, then you are not looking at the picture.

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/wtc-7.gif

[FlameHead]

Sometimes one's all it takes. Especially with moonbats.

Yeah, the non believers result in attacking as well.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you and then you win"

[JLBats]

I also totally don't get why some people would find it hard to believe that Islamist terrorists would attack the US.

Something like JFK's murder being a conspiracy, I can sort of buy. The murder of one man, however powerful, is easy to do and cover up.

Besides that, I've always found controlled demolition, hologram, Pentagon hit by a missile bull**** just detracts from the real meaning of the conspiracy theory. Those things are trails that will end in dead ends. There would be no reason for ultra competent conspirators to commit to such foolish and easily foilable means. The theories I find far more likely and FAR more interesting, as well as far less ridiculous and riddled with holes, are:

A) The US government had prior knowledge of the attacks and allowed them to happen.

B) The US government orchestrated the attacks through foreign terrorists.

And yet so often conspiracy theorists go for the more complex, sweeping concepts. Because those are the ones that hit you in the GUT.

[Super Flight]

THIS ONE IS THE BEST ONE!!! WATCH IT PLEASE :eek: :( :mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDNPJAr_Ao

[FlameHead]

I also totally don't get why some people would find it hard to believe that Islamist terrorists would attack the US.

Something like JFK's murder being a conspiracy, I can sort of buy. The murder of one man, however powerful, is easy to do and cover up.

Besides that, I've always found controlled demolition, hologram, Pentagon hit by a missile bull**** just detracts from the real meaning of the conspiracy theory. Those things are trails that will end in dead ends. There would be no reason for ultra competent conspirators to commit to such foolish and easily foilable means. The theories I find far more likely and FAR more interesting, as well as far less ridiculous and riddled with holes, are:

A) The US government had prior knowledge of the attacks and allowed them to happen.

B) The US government orchestrated the attacks through foreign terrorists.

What I find foolish is that people can believe that 19 hijackers were able to take control of 4 flights using box cutters and then successfully hit 75% of their targets in the greatest miliatry country in the world. I find it foolish that someone would believe that this could be orchistrated out of a cave in Afganistan.

[JLBats]

For a good example of Internet videos that make a theory that blows an idea way out of proportion, sensationalising it and getting pretty much all the facts wrong, see the pages regarding Eon8 on ytmnd.

[cass]

Yeah, the non believers result in attacking as well.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you and then you win"

Win? What are you winning at? Is this "New World Order" just a game to you?

For someone convinced the world is controlled and we need a revolution, you certainly don't act like it by sitting on your ass posting on a comic book movie forum. You sound like a lonely guy looking for cheap laughs.

[Truthteller]

I'm sorry if I find it pathetic that those who refute the evidence use only one article to do it with. That's the best I can do; say I'm sorry.Thats fine. Its not that big a deal. Just trying to keep some level of decorum.

I'm not just using that one article though. It is my combined experiences over many years that lead me to my current understanding. I'm open to the possibility that the buildings were demolished intentionally by someone other than al queada. The preponderence of the evidence does not lead me to that conclusion at this point.

I do see many individuals (not saying you are one because I do not know it at this point) that believe a certain way because their emotions dictate to them that direction. And they look no further.

[JLBats]

Win? What are you winning at? Is this "New World Order" just a game to you?

For someone convinced the world is controlled and we need a revolution, you certainly don't act like it by sitting on your ass posting on a comic book movie forum. You sound like a lonely guy looking for cheap laughs.

"Conspiracism is a particular narrative form of scapegoating that frames demonized enemies as part of a vast insidious plot against the common good, while it valorizes the scapegoater as a hero for sounding the alarm"

[FlameHead]

Thats fine. It not that big a deal. Just trying to keep some level of decorum.

I'm not just using that one article though. It is my combined experiences over many years that lead me to my current understanding. I'm open to the possibility that the buildings were demolished intentionally by someone other than al queada. The preponderence of the evidence does not lead me to that conclusion at this point.

I do see many individuals (not saying you are one because I do not know it at this point) that believe a certain way because their emotions dictate to them that direction. And they look no further.

Look, I didn't believe any of this either but after an obsessive search to prove these theories wrong only to find more evidence for the alternate theory, I could believe nothing else. It comes to a point where you can't ignore it all. Sure, maybe you don't believe the pentagon innacuracies and cover ups or maybe the demoltion theory is ridiculous to you or the Norad stand down order crazy. Maybe you don't think anyting wrong with the President reading a book to some kids for 30 minutes after learning 'America was under attack'. Yeah, maybe you can push away the fact the commission report doesn't answer half the questions asked. Maybe you can ignore the Patriot Act and the freedoms you lost as it was passed without congress even being allowed to read it but, how the hell can anyone ignore it all?

For the past 7 months I've researched this obsessivly but, not just 9/11 specifically. I've researched the CIA and their past involvement with similar activities. I've researched the whacky sides like The Illuminati and the more senisible sides like what your Government has been able to do just by mentioning the events that day. This is not some anti government spew just for the sake of being anti government. This is my crying out to fix this world and let the true human spirit free.

[FlameHead]

Win? What are you winning at? Is this "New World Order" just a game to you?

For someone convinced the world is controlled and we need a revolution, you certainly don't act like it by sitting on your ass posting on a comic book movie forum. You sound like a lonely guy looking for cheap laughs.

By win I mean remove us from the prison we've been forced to live in. Now I refuse to have this childish type debate with you. I've spent far too much time talking about this to waste time with such type debates.

[rodhulk]

you guys may already know this, but here goes (and focus on the 11):

911 - 9+1+1=11
911 - happened on the 254 day of the year, 2+5+4=11
911 - 111 days after 911 left in the year
911 - 119 area code of Iraq and Iran
911 - twin towers beside each other show the number 11
911 - first flight to hit th efirst tower was flight 11
911 - state of New York was the 11th state to be admitted to the union
911 - 'New York City' has 11 letters
911 - 'The Pentagon' has 11 letters
911 - 'Air Force One' has 11 letters
911 - 'Trade Center' has 11 letters
911 - 'Afghanistan' has 11 letters
911 - 'George W Bush' has 11 letters
911 - 'God Bless USA' has 11 letters

[JLBats]

you guys may already know this, but here goes (and focus on the 11):

911 - 9+1+1=11
911 - happened on the 254 day of the year, 2+5+4=11
911 - 111 days after 911 left in the year
911 - 119 area code of Iraq and Iran
911 - twin towers beside each other show the number 11
911 - first flight to hit th efirst tower was flight 11
911 - state of New York was the 11th state to be admitted to the union
911 - 'New York City' has 11 letters
911 - 'The Pentagon' has 11 letters
911 - 'Air Force One' has 11 letters
911 - 'Trade Center' has 11 letters
911 - 'Afghanistan' has 11 letters
911 - 'George W Bush' has 11 letters
911 - 'God Bless USA' has 11 letters

...So?:confused:

[FlameHead]

And furthermore, I only discussing this here because I enjoy it here. I've been here for nearly 3 years and have become very familiar with the company and rather enjoy it. Thus, I wish to converse with like minded people about a topic I'm very passionate about.

I also have this discussion on the Pearl Jam Message Pit, Colbert Nation, an official Green Party of Canada yahoo group and Newfoundland and Labrador Politics thread and several others. In addition to that, I run a blog on the topic called Canada Wants The Truth Too: http://canadawantsthetruth911.blogspot.com/

There are no cheep laughs in what I'm doing.

[Super Flight]

911 is the emergency number to call the police in america.. so bush,and the rest thought it would be clever to destroy the towers on that day,

[rodhulk]

...So?:confused:......just interesting! :confused:

[FlameHead]

...So?:confused:

There is no point in explaining the numbers to you yet. You must grasp the more tangable elements first.

Also, just to add to that list, the Madrid train bombins of 3/11/04 happened exactly 911 days after September 11th, 2001.

[JLBats]

There is no point in explaining the numbers to you yet. You must grasp the more tangable elements first.


So it's kind of like a Lost thing, huh? Do I have to input the numbers and press a button every 20 minutes?

[Truthteller]

...This is my crying out to fix this world and let the true human spirit free.I applaud you for that. Jolly good show! And I am glad that there are folks with open and questioning minds.

Life is like science; Its fine to make an assumption to test a hypothesis. Just remember to test and don't fall in love with the hypothesis. ;)

[JLBats]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/elevens.asp

I think that nicely debunks this whole "Flamehead's gonna try and be mysterioso" magical numbers thing.

[FlameHead]

I applaud you for that. Jolly good show! And I am glad that there are folks with open and questioning minds.

Life is like science; Its fine to make an assumption to test a hypothesis. Just remember to test and don't fall in love with the hypothesis. ;)

Believe, there is nothing I love about the hypothesis but I do picture a much better world once the **** hits the fan. That's what I'm holding onto.

[FlameHead]

Again, just to reinterate what sparked this conversation as of late.

C-SPAN to Air Historic 9/11 Expose - July 29th

The program will air on C-SPAN 1 at 8PM EST (7PM CST) on Saturday, July 29th and then air again for the West Coast at 11pm EST (10pm CST).

[JLBats]

Seriously, what do the numbers mean?

[Super Flight]

911 means emergency

[JLBats]

911 means emergency

...I assumed he meant the numbers were something to do with the Illuminati, not a phone number.

[Super Flight]

oh...hmm...i'll look it up

[Super Flight]

http://www.cuttingedge.org/All-Seeing_Eye_Unfinished_Pyramid.jpg
Something to do with an all controlling force, that you be used for good or bad.. and it seems they want to control the world, so i guess they are useing it for bad...

[JLBats]

Maybe 911 is like... a number you punch into the phone... and they answer your conspiracy questions.

[rodhulk]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/elevens.asp

I think that nicely debunks this whole "Flamehead's gonna try and be mysterioso" magical numbers thing.I do agree that the number '11' may not have anything to do with 911, but equally, I agree that the number 11 could have something to do with 911.

It's really irregardles that the number 11 can't be applied to other things that aren't related to the 911 attacks because so 'many' things on 911 'can' be related to the number 11, especially in direct relation to NY, Afghanistan, and the president. It just seems too consistent to overlook it. At the least, it deserves a curious and continuous look.

[Super Flight]

But why would they put the symbol of the illuminati on the one dollar bill??

[FlameHead]

Yes, 911, 11, numbers; we're talking about The Illuminati but, that's a topic that needs not be discussed at this time. It's too 'crazy' to be believable to most... especially those not willing to accept 9/11 for what it was. It will only serve to further induce the 'tin foil' hat comments.

[chaseter]

Bush has wire tapped this thread.

[Super Flight]

"Novus Ordo Seclorum," which can be translated as: "A new order of the ages"

Those are the words on the one dollar bill, But why is there a different languae on american Money?? why not english?

[JLBats]

But what the hell would be the point of having any numbers at all?

Seems sort of dumb to me. And it sort of puts the whole plot in danger of unravelling, just because of iconic numbers?

No. That, like holographic planes and missiles, makes the whole conspiracy more interesting, more far reaching, and more immediately visceral, but ultimately it cheapens it for me, and comes off as something written by the same idiots who are writing Spider-Man comics nowadays.

Also, why is it always blamed on the usual suspects in conspiracy theories? It seems to nearly always be directly related to the Illuminati or a group of humanoid reptiles.

[FlameHead]

But why would they put the symbol of the illuminati on the one dollar bill??

It goes much further than that. There are plenty of strange things beyond the dollar bill. Here's a short video to introduce you to the New World Order and/or The Illuminati.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1275479632590921971

To answer your question, it was put on the dollar bill because that is the ultimate symbol of the power they have over us. These guys are obsessed with symbols (re: the video I just pointed you to) and are bold enough to put them directly in front of our eyes. These people worship owl gods (re: Bohemian Grove) and partake in strange rituals (re: Skull and Bones).

Speaking of Money, everyone should watch a new movie by Aaron Russo called 'America: Freedom to Fascism'. http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

There's a 14 minute preview here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1616088001333580937


CBS News: "Four Stars (Highest Rating).
The Scariest Damn Film You'll See This Year"

AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
"FOUR STARS (Highest Rating). The scariest damn film you'll see this year. It will leave you staggering out of the theatre, slack-jawed and trembling. Makes 'Fahrenheit 9/11' look like 'Bambi.' After watching this movie, your comfy, secure notions about America -- and about what it means to be an American -- will be forever shattered. Producer/director Aaron Russo and the folks at Cinema Libre Studio deserve to be heralded as heroes of a post-modern New American Revolution. This is shocking stuff. You'll be angry, you'll be disgusted, but you may actually break out in a cold sweat and feel a sickness deep in your gut; I would advise movie theatre managers to hand out vomit bags. You may end up needing one."
--- Todd David Schwartz, CBS

[FlameHead]

"Novus Ordo Seclorum," which can be translated as: "A new order of the ages"

Those are the words on the one dollar bill, But why is there a different languae on american Money?? why not english?

Speaking of New World Order, you guys should check out this video of Bush Sr annoucing a New World Order on September 11th, 1991... exactly 10 years before that infamous day we're here to discuss.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7933921211538654442

[JLBats]

Ok, so what do you want this 16 year old to do? Honestly? I give up. I just don't care anymore. Frankly, our side is the losing one if you're right. So stop HOPING you're right, because that means, you know, you and everyone you love will die.

[Super Flight]

Does the bible say anything about the Illuminiti?

[Addendum]

So Virgil was part of the Illuminati?

[FlameHead]

But what the hell would be the point of having any numbers at all?

Seems sort of dumb to me. And it sort of puts the whole plot in danger of unravelling, just because of iconic numbers?

No. That, like holographic planes and missiles, makes the whole conspiracy more interesting, more far reaching, and more immediately visceral, but ultimately it cheapens it for me, and comes off as something written by the same idiots who are writing Spider-Man comics nowadays.

Also, why is it always blamed on the usual suspects in conspiracy theories? It seems to nearly always be directly related to the Illuminati or a group of humanoid reptiles.

When you look at things from a much broader view you will understand that this is indeed all related to the Illuminati to the New World Order. You have to understand that the plans of the elite have been set in motion for 300 years. The movement itself much longer.

The Federal Reserve is a private company and there is NO LAW written saying that you have to pay taxes and in fact the taxes you are paying are used to pay of the debt to the federal reserve for printing your money when the government could easily be printing it themselves.

The same bank funded Hitler and America during the war and it just so happens that the current Bush's Granddaddy was in charge of that bank.

JFK was killed not because of his stance on the war but because he was just about to shut down the CIA.

The CIA has pulled off many know attacks such as that on 9/11. False flag attacks. Self inflicted wounds blamed on others in order to justify war. It's all out there folks.

Your country is extreamly close to being a Police State and it's because of the New World Order. My country is next.

Look up the North American Union. They're going to Unite out Continent and create the Amero. This is the reason why the borders have never been secured before, during or after 9/11. They are about to begin on the 20 lane NAFTA Superhighway from Mexico to Canada. Look it up. I'm not ****ting you.

There is a Global Elite. There are very few people controlling everything in this world. IT's not that impossible to believe. Look at the structure of a huge corporation; You have a board of maybe 6 or 12 people controlling the lives of thousands, 10's of thousands of people sometimes. Just consider a board controlling all of those boards. Then go back one more step, you have the global banking system. Go back one more step you have the New World Order. The Illuminati control them.

It's crazy **** yes but, it's the only thing that explains everything to me.

[JLBats]

When you look at things from a much broader view you will understand that this is indeed all related to the Illuminati to the New World Order. You have to understand that the plans of the elite have been set in motion for 300 years. The movement itself much longer.

The Federal Reserve is a private company and there is NO LAW written saying that you have to pay taxes and in fact the taxes you are paying are used to pay of the debt to the federal reserve for printing your money when the government could easily be printing it themselves.

The same bank funded Hitler and America during the war and it just so happens that the current Bush's Granddaddy was in charge of that bank.

JFK was killed not because of his stance on the war but because he was just about to shut down the CIA.

The CIA has pulled off many know attacks such as that on 9/11. False flag attacks. Self inflicted wounds blamed on others in order to justify war. It's all out there folks.

Your country is extreamly close to being a Police State and it's because of the New World Order. My country is next.



Uh, we live in the same country, so WTF...


Look up the North American Union. They're going to Unite out Continent and create the Amero. This is the reason why the borders have never been secured before, during or after 9/11. They are about to begin on the 20 lane NAFTA Superhighway from Mexico to Canada. Look it up. I'm not ****ting you.

There is a Global Elite. There are very few people controlling everything in this world. IT's not that impossible to believe. Look at the structure of a huge corporation; You have a board of maybe 6 or 12 people controlling the lives of thousands, 10's of thousands of people sometimes. Just consider a board controlling all of those boards. Then go back one more step, you have the global banking system. Go back one more step you have the New World Order. The Illuminati control them.

It's crazy **** yes but, it's the only thing that explains everything to me.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[rodhulk]

Does the bible say anything about the Illuminiti?The Bible talks about an antichrist who will set up a world govt, so, yes, a new world order.

[Carter]

haha, I'm always amused at how bat-**** crazy some people are

[FlameHead]

Ok, so what do you want this 16 year old to do? Honestly? I give up. I just don't care anymore. Frankly, our side is the losing one if you're right. So stop HOPING you're right, because that means, you know, you and everyone you love will die.

The way I see it is that by us exposing this horrible ****, this global control which is creating war to fuel it's finnacial machine, this governance body which sees fit to destroy our envirionment by refusing to produce and consume oil, by exposing them and revolting against them, your children and grand children will be able to exist in the world we all truly want.

All I want from you JL is to keep an open mind. We've all been conditioned from a very early age and we all wake up at different times. The thing is, everyone will wake at some point. This is believe most.

[Addendum]

http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/img/cover_lg.jpg

[Super Flight]

The Bible talks about an antichrist who will set up a world govt, so, yes, a new world order.

O_O i hope thats when jesus will come back, he said hed return

[rodhulk]

O_O i hope thats when jesus will come back, he said hed returnYes, it won't last long. There will be a major attack on Israel from many countries of the world, and then Jesus is said to return at this time and pretty much fix things up, but not before a very horrible world war. :(

[FlameHead]

Uh, we live in the same country, so WTF...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Crap. Didn't realize you were Canadian. Ok. We have a different problem because we're not as far into the mess as the Americans are. There a little closer to a Police State and I believe it's mainly because of thier electronic voting systems. Look at the 2000 election for proof how horrible an idea that was.

Having said that, I believe that Mr. Harper is the NWO's pawn in our country and what's really intersting is that North America has a triad of Conservative leaders right now, all of them elected with outrage. Not so much here because people wanted change but, they'll be outraged at him soon enough. It's heating up now actually.

Either way, I do believe that CAnada will play a major part in the change of this world.