Evidence Bush knew 9-11 would happen and did nothing.Deal with it non believers.

[Carter]

Never say an unkind word about Bruce Willis

[Super Flight]

I would be very suprised, since he tried to sign up for the army to fight the bad terrorists:rolleyes::up:

And thats what i was going to get to, See Bruce Willis watched that 9/11 inside job video and was Changed deeply by it, and he is now questioning his beliefs.. it was on an article, i'll try and find it

[JLBats]

The only thing I get from this post is the thought that everyone once thought that the world was flat and laughed and mocked all those who though otherwise until finally, after many years of debate, it was proven false.

Same goes for 9/11. In a few years, we'll have a grand conversation as people learn that the world 'isn't flat'.

Yeah, they're really pretty comparable:confused:

[FlameHead]

doesnt Bruce Willis Beileve that it was an inside Job aswell?

No, Bruce has never officially come out on 9/11. He has seen Alex jones videos and other releated material, according to Richard Linkletter (sp?), the director of "A Skanner Darkly".

The only celebrity with courage to speak up is Charlie Sheen.

[ShadowBoxing]

And thats what i was going to get to, See Bruce Willis watched that 9/11 inside job video and was Changed deeply by it, and he is now questioning his beileves, it was on an article, i'll try and find itTom Cruise and John Travolta both believe that Psychology is a pseudo science and Scientology is real. I liked both Collateral and Saturday Night Fever, should I believe them too?

[FlameHead]

Anyway, I'm gonna go enjoy life for a while and watch Constantine with some pals. I'm hoping to catch the C-Span show online after that. I hope you all check it out as well.

[Super Flight]

My dad told me santa was real, and he also told me Geroge bush is doing a good job....I dont Know what to beileve anymore

[FlameHead]

Tom Cruise and John Travolta both believe that Psychology is a pseudo science and Scientology is real. I liked both Collateral and Saturday Night Fever, should I believe them too?

No but, the multitude of scientiests, engineers and random other scholars are ones you should be at least listening to.

[Super Flight]

Tom Cruise and John Travolta both believe that Psychology is a pseudo science and Scientology is real. I liked both Collateral and Saturday Night Fever, should I believe them too?

But 9/11 is more important then Scientology

[ShadowBoxing]

The only thing I get from this post is the thought that everyone once thought that the world was flat and laughed and mocked all those who though otherwise until finally, after many years of debate, it was proven false.

Same goes for 9/11. In a few years, we'll have a grand conversation as people learn that the world 'isn't flat'."The World is Flat" is a book by Thomas Friedman...a favorite guest of Jon Stewart. He also wrote "Lexus and the Olive Tree". Both are brillant books on how Globalization has changed Governmental policy.

You really have no idea how American Government works do you?

[ShadowBoxing]

No but, the multitude of scientiests, engineers and random other scholars are ones you should be at least listening to.But disregard all the scientists, engineers and scholars who believe anything to the contrary, got it.:down

[stryfe]

"The World is Flat" is a book by Thomas Friedman...a favorite guest of Jon Stewart. He also wrote "Lexus and the Olive Tree". Both are brillant books on how Globalization has changed Governmental policy.

You really have no idea how American Government works do you?

Please no one fall for this tactic SB throws out there. Its bait so he can pull out his american government college text book and tell you how wrong you are about the government and how right he, the book and his college professors are.

This road has been traveled many times before. Cant we all just agree to disagree on this subject because everyone who posts has there opinion and are not going to change them anytime soon regardless of what evidence is presented from ANY source.

P.S. It was the governments fault. :up: :)

[Super Flight]

But disregard all the scientists, engineers and scholars who believe anything to the contrary, got it.:down

so does this mean you dont beileve it was an inside job..?

[JLBats]

One more post and Stryfe is at 666 posts... coincidence? Or metajoke?

[Super Flight]

With my 666 post, i just screamed that it was my 666 post or somthing

[JLBats]

With my 666 post, i just screamed that it was my 666 post or somthing

I think that qualifies you as an idiot:(:up:

[ShadowBoxing]

Please no one fall for this tactic SB throws out there. Its bait so he can pull out his american government college text book and tell you how wrong you are about the government and how right he, the book and his college professors are.

This road has been traveled many times before. Cant we all just agree to disagree on this subject because everyone who posts has there opinion and are not going to change them anytime soon regardless of what evidence is presented from ANY source.

P.S. It was the governments fault. :up: :)

Well, actually my tactic is quiet effective.

All I have to do is prove you he no idea what you are talking about and it completely ruins your credibility.

And I don't always have to quote textbooks or literature (I was never assigned to read "The World is Flat" by the way, I saw Friedman on Stewart and picked his book up). I can also show how your arguments are logically flawed, which is what I tend to do.

Like right there in that post you attempt to ruin my credibility by using ad hominem and bandwagon arguments. Using College Professors and textbook as if it were a dirty word. It's a common tactic of people who have unfounded opinions.

[ShadowBoxing]

so does this mean you dont beileve it was an inside job..?A plane hit a building, it fell. What more is there to believe?

[Super Flight]

I think that qualifies you as an idiot:(:up:

I was also taken out of the thread by the Mods while kicking and screaming

[Carter]

It does help to know how the government works before you criticize it and blame it for unspeakable atrocities.

[stryfe]

Well, actually my tactic is quiet effective.

All I have to do is prove you he no idea what you are talking about and it completely ruins your credibility.

And I don't always have to quote textbooks or literature (I was never assigned to read "The World is Flat" by the way, I saw Friedman on Stewart and picked his book up). I can also show how your arguments are logically flawed, which is what I tend to do.

Like right there in that post you attempt to ruin my credibility by using ad hominem and bandwagon arguments. Using College Professors and textbook as if it were a dirty word. It's a common tactic of people who have unfounded opinions.


Have you ever seen Goodwill Hunting where the college guy tries to pretend to be really smart by quoting obscure references on someone he thought was really dumb? Turns out the guy has no clue what hes talking because all his opinions on the matter were borrowed. Your that guy.

[ShadowBoxing]

Have you ever seen Goodwill Hunting where the college guy tries to pretend to be really smart by quoting obscure references on someone he thought was really dumb? Turns out the guy has no clue what hes talking because all his opinions on the matter were borrowed. Your that guy.Your going to have to point to the post where I gave my opinion.

Also Will Hunting read a library full of books so in fact all his ideas were borrowed from those books...he was just extremely well read, you're not that guy.

[JLBats]

Have you ever seen Goodwill Hunting where the college guy tries to pretend to be really smart by quoting obscure references on someone he thought was really dumb? Turns out the guy has no clue what hes talking because all his opinions on the matter were borrowed. Your that guy.

Have you ever seen the Simpsons episode "Bart Sells His Soul" in which there is a crazy man ranting about Alfred Hitchcock stealing his ideas and how cardboard is made out of plutonium?

Yeah. You're that go, but with more facial hair and less understanding of grammar:down:(

[stryfe]

Your going to have to point to the post where I gave my opinion.


Im referring to other posts about the matter.

Funny how when someone doesnt like a post they instantly knock the grammar. Considering this is a message board where LMAO,LOL,teh and other sorts of crap english are used my lack of grammar really isnt an issue. Last time I checked this was not an english paper.

For the record I doubt I have less facial hair then him.

[JLBats]

Out of everything I just said, the GRAMMAR comment is what you complain about?:confused:

[ShadowBoxing]

Im referring to other posts about the matter.

Funny how when someone doesnt like a post they instantly knock the grammar. Considering this is a message board where LMAO,LOL,teh and other sorts of crap english are used my lack of grammar really isnt an issue. Last time I checked this was not an english paper.

For the record I doubt I have less facial hair then him.You dodged the question...

[stryfe]

Out of everything I just said, the GRAMMAR comment is what you complain about?:confused:


Yeah the rest was bland. At least my depiction of SB is accurate.

[JLBats]

Yeah the rest was bland. At least my depiction of SB is accurate.

I have to go to the Hi-Teen carnival with my ugly girlfriend Ann, see you.

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah the rest was bland. At least my depiction of SB is accurate.Actually your depiction is grossly inaccurate for the moment since it hinges on your ability to prove my opinions are "borrowed"...hence why I asked you to "point to my opinion".

[Super Flight]

Political Cartoon,

http://stream.paranode.com/imc/portland/images/2002/06/211921.jpg

[stryfe]

Your going to have to point to the post where I gave my opinion.

Also Will Hunting read a library full of books so in fact all his ideas were borrowed from those books...he was just extremely well read, you're not that guy.


Never said I was.

I could could go back in search of your posts on this matter but really I have better things to do with my life. Call this quitting, claim you won a battle do a hula dance I dont give a ****. I really dont feel like splitting hairs with you today, especially not about movies like good wiill hunting.

[JLBats]

I never get why the argument against ShadowBoxing is "LOL, what do you know, you went to COLLEGE, COLLEGE BOY!"

Seriously, that's pretty backwards.

[ShadowBoxing]

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[ShadowBoxing]

I never get why the argument against SumofGod is "LOL, what do you know, you went to COLLEGE, COLLEGE BOY!"

Seriously, that's pretty backwards.Don't you mean the argument FOR SUMofGOD, because as far as I know he did not go to College.

[JLBats]

Don't you mean the argument FOR SUMofGOD, because as far as I know he did not go to College.

I'm drunk and I accidentally typed SumofGod instead of ShadowBoxing

*shoots self*:down

[Super Flight]

This isnt a theory this was a fact..even made front page

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/Bush/images/bush_911nypost.jpg

[JLBats]

Wtf?

[FlameHead]

"The World is Flat" is a book by Thomas Friedman...a favorite guest of Jon Stewart. He also wrote "Lexus and the Olive Tree". Both are brillant books on how Globalization has changed Governmental policy.

You really have no idea how American Government works do you?

The US Government would be awesome if it wasn't hijacked by an outside cabal who has no regard for your consitution. Bush himself only regards it as a god damn piece of paper.

[ShadowBoxing]

This isnt a theory this was a fact..even made front page

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/Bush/images/bush_911nypost.jpg

Just an FYI, the New York Post is a op-ed type of newspaper...meaning it tends to print opinions not unbiased news like the New York Times attempts to.

[Carter]

lol, have you ever even read the New York Post?
It's a rag.

A total joke

[stryfe]

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So where does it say im Will in that post? My post says your the college guy. I never claim to be the other guy. Please I dont want to practice with your for your debate team any longer.

How about you just tell us all how american government works and how 9/11 went down. Tell us what your books say, what your teacher thinks, how your mom sees it because thats all you really want to do anyway. Prove to us all how smart and witty you are. Seriously.

[ShadowBoxing]

The US Government would be awesome if it wasn't hijacked by an outside cabal who has no regard for your consitution. Bush himself only regards it as a god damn piece of paper.Are you a friend of Bush's or an aquiantence. Because it seems like you claim some pretty big things about him.

[JLBats]

So where does it say im Will in that post? My post says your the college guy. I never claim to be the other guy. Please I dont want to practice with your for your debate team any longer.

How about you just tell us all how american government works and how 9/11 went down. Tell us what your books say, what your teacher thinks, how your mom sees it because thats all you really want to do anyway. Prove to us all how smart and witty you are. Seriously.

And I suppose you developed your comprehensive theory on 9/11 and how the world works completely on your own, with no help from fringe websites?

[stryfe]

And I suppose you developed your comprehensive theory on 9/11 and how the world works completely on your own, with no help from fringe websites?

Helps when your there, yeah. Explain "fringe" websites.

[Super Flight]

http://www.notry.net/images/bush_internets.jpg

[Super Flight]

http://www.dubyasworld.com/cheney-dubya-stupid-people.jpg

[Super Flight]

Notice the Money Sign in Bush's name.....

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/images/2003/09/100931.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

So where does it say im Will in that post? My post says your the college guy. I never claim to be the other guy. Please I dont want to practice with your for your debate team any longer.

How about you just tell us all how american government works and how 9/11 went down. Tell us what your books say, what your teacher thinks, how your mom sees it because thats all you really want to do anyway. Prove to us all how smart and witty you are. Seriously.Well, alright here is how I think 9/11 happened.

I turned on Howard Stern while being stuck in traffic due to a road rage incident. Crazy Cabby said that a plane had hit the Twin Tower and there was smoke coming out. I got to school late, there I saw the TV play out the second plane hitting the building and then later saw both towers fall. I called my Uncle in New York to maken sure he was okay.

However I was not in the planes, nor in the buildings. Nor was I in any area associated with the incident 48 hours before or after the occurence. So I can neither verify or falsify anything with 100% certainity. However I did not need a teacher, book or college to tell me these things.

[JLBats]

What the hell does a bunch of people protesting have to do with anything going on in this thread?

[Super Flight]

What the hell does a bunch of people protesting have to do with anything going on in this thread?

I guess you cant read

[JLBats]

I guess you cant read

No war stop stupid Bu$h.

Again, what the hell is this supposed to prove?

[Super Flight]

No war stop stupid Bu$h.

Again, what the hell is this supposed to prove?

the war was started because of 9/11

[JLBats]

the war was started because of 9/11

Thanks Super Flight. This was very insightful and definitely worth wasting my time on:confused::up:

[Carter]

Notice the Money Sign in Bush's name.....



I'm embarrassed for you.

[ShadowBoxing]

the war was started because of 9/11Several key figures in politics and from the Bush Administration have come forward to say that the war in Iraq was planned well before there even was a 9/11.

[stryfe]

Several key figures in politics and from the Bush Administration have come forward to say that the war in Iraq was planned well before there even was a 9/11.


And if they told you they found unicorn remains on pluto you would also believe them? Dont flame im just trying to gauge at what point you wouldnt believe everything they told you.

[JLBats]

And if they told you they found unicorn remains on pluto you would also believe them? Dont flame im just trying to gauge at what point you wouldnt believe everything they told you.

Um, I'm pretty sure what he just said agrees with your worldview.

[ShadowBoxing]

And if they told you they found unicorn remains on pluto you would also believe them? Dont flame im just trying to gauge at what point you wouldnt believe everything they told you.If they could prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that Unicorn remains existed on Pluto, then I would probably believe them. However in the case of "Unicorn remains" I require a much bigger leap of faith.

[Otis Driftwood]

I guess you cant readBut what's proven by the fact that a few protestors were "clever" enough to put a $ in Bush's
name? It has no basis in this argument. Minimally witty quips and comebacks hold no weight in a debate.

[Super Flight]

*benny Hill theme Starts to play*

[stryfe]

Of all mythical animals I really think unicorns (not with wings) are the most likely to have existed. A horse with a horn really doesnt seem that far fetched.

[Super Flight]

watch c-span in 30 minutes

[ShadowBoxing]

Of all mythical animals I really think unicorns (not with wings) are the most likely to have existed. A horse with a horn really doesnt seem that far fetched.Okay....

[stryfe]

Okay....


Oh excuse me......

9/11 happened because of the government, SB is lame, down with the man. Government is Evil and so are the yankees.

Happy?

[JLBats]

Okay....

Imagine a Reptilian riding a unicorn? Man, that'd be erotic:up:

[Super Flight]

whats SB stand for?

[JLBats]

whats SB stand for?

Seorge Bush.

[Super Flight]

whaaa????

[ShadowBoxing]

Oh excuse me......

9/11 happened because of the government, SB is lame, down with the man. Government is Evil and so are the yankees.

Happy?

The Yankees are evil, glad someone agree...

[FlameHead]

Thanks Super Flight. This was very insightful and definitely worth wasting my time on:confused::up:

The war WAS started because of 9/11. They used 9/11 to go a bomb the **** out of Afganistan and then rode that fear right into IRAQ where you currently still are while Canadians fight and die in Afganistan. Yet, there is still ZERO proof that OSAMA or any Afgan had anything to do with it.

In fact, Osama is not even being looked for anymore. Does that make sense to you?

[FlameHead]

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

You're Presidents words.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html

[Carter]

That sounds like a humorous remark to me, not something to be taken seriously

[JLBats]

The war WAS started because of 9/11. They used 9/11 to go a bomb the **** out of Afganistan and then rode that fear right into IRAQ where you currently still are while Canadians fight and die in Afganistan. Yet, there is still ZERO proof that OSAMA or any Afgan had anything to do with it.

In fact, Osama is not even being looked for anymore. Does that make sense to you?

You missed my point. Bravo.

[Demon Within]

Whats America going to be after bush is out of office? Better, worse?

[JLBats]

Whats America going to be after bush is out of office? Better, worse?

Bush isn't leaving office. He's using World War III to become dictator for life.



And if you believe that, I have an aunt in Maryland who would be very interested in selling you some stock in a small start-up company. It's a sure thing.

[Demon Within]

Bush isn't leaving office. He's using World War III to become dictator for life.



And if you believe that, I have an aunt in Maryland who would be very interested in selling you some stock in a small start-up company. It's a sure thing.

.....go on.

[Super Flight]

The c-span Show was interesting, a lot of supporters

[ShadowBoxing]

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

You're Presidents words.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.htmlIt's probably a play on the Woodrow Wilson's comments about being President "This job would be much easier if it were a dictatorship"....and he has not been in power for a long time now.

[Blade_fan1911]

I turned it off when Webster said there was gonna be an attack at the World Cup.

[ShadowBoxing]

The war WAS started because of 9/11. They used 9/11 to go a bomb the **** out of Afganistan and then rode that fear right into IRAQ where you currently still are while Canadians fight and die in Afganistan. Yet, there is still ZERO proof that OSAMA or any Afgan had anything to do with it.

In fact, Osama is not even being looked for anymore. Does that make sense to you?Aside from all the tapes where Osama admitted to causing Sept 11th

Like this quote

"These events (September 11) were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country."

and this

"If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism, then history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically."

and this

"The towers were supposed to be filled with supporters of the economical powers of the United States who are abusing the world. Those who talk about civilians should change their stand and reconsider their position. We are treating them like they treated us."

oh and this

"There are two types of terror, good and bad. What we are practising is good terror. We will not stop killing them and whoever supports them."

[Bullseye]

I just love these conpsiracy theories.

[Speedball]

I just love these conpsiracy theories.
I wonder if they have 10,000 copies of Catcher in the Rye in their apartment(or wherever they live)?

[JLBats]

I wonder if they have 10,000 copies of Catcher in the Rye in their apartment(or wherever they live)?

Never EVER read that book.

I'm not kidding. I'm not particularly conspiracy theory minded. But that is serious. Never read that book.

[ShadowBoxing]

I wonder if they have 10,000 copies of Catcher in the Rye in their apartment(or wherever they live)?Read it, loved it. Then I grew up and realized there are far better books out there.

[Speedball]

Never EVER read that book.

I'm not kidding. I'm not particularly conspiracy theory minded. But that is serious. Never read that book.
It's a really good book, in my top ten.

[JLBats]

You've both been TURNED INTO ASSASSINS!

[ShadowBoxing]

You've both been TURNED INTO ASSASSINS!It's a book you should read around 15 or 16, however if you don't find yourself growing out of it by 19 I'd say your primed for the League of Assassins.

[Speedball]

You've both been TURNED INTO ASSASSINS!
Why have I been turned into an assassin?
I wish I was though.

[JLBats]

Why have I been turned into an assassin?
I wish I was though.

Mark David Chapman and Hinkley were both fans of the book.

It's just a disturbing trend.

*K?-shrug*

[Speedball]

I wouldn't say I was a fan, I just like the book.
It's probably not in my top ten, that's made up of Star Wars books, and some other stuff.

[Bullseye]

Has anyone seen the film about The Hamburg Cell?

Lots of rare footage and photos in the film.

[FlameHead]

I missed the first showing on C-Span but it just started again.

You can watch it with me here:
http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[FlameHead]

Come on guys, watch it with me. It's rather interesting to see, at the very least, that this movement is not just kids in a basement. These are distiguished people talking about this with a very responsive audience present.

[JLBats]

Come on guys, watch it with me.

WTF...?:confused:

[Super Flight]

just Watch is Damnit, just Watch it

[Bullseye]

Is it the so-called "Scholars for Truth" spouting their conpiracies?

[FlameHead]

Yes, whatever 'So Called' means.

[Bullseye]

It means they don't know ****.

[FlameHead]

Anyway... is anybody watching it?

[Super Flight]

Anyway... is anybody watching it?

Yup i watched the entire thing, it was very good

[FlameHead]

What's best about it is that it's mainstream coverage of what many people are talking about. This is a huge step for the movement.

[ShadowBoxing]

I'm watching it, I'm really unimpressed by the entire thing. They really don't give you much at all, it is kind of like watching an infomercial.

[FlameHead]

That's because there is so much information to get through with so little mainstream time. You have no idea how hard it was for just this to happen.

[Bullseye]

I have a question for you Flamehead. Did you have your mind made up about your theory or did you look at some of these conspiracy websites to decide on what you believe happened?

[ShadowBoxing]

That's because there is so much information to get through with so little mainstream time. You have no idea how hard it was for just this to happen.Well giving a little speculation and then attempting to hit your audience up for 100 dollars doesn't speak much for you or your "movement".

I am just getting to the questions though.

[FlameHead]

I had no idea about much until running as a Candidate in the recent Canadian Election. In preperation for debates on Global WArming, I came to information about Global Government. The ball rolled from there.

I've researched this to death. I've read all the debunking sites, the commission report, everything. What I believe, in my gut, feels right. I know it's the truth and I know everyone who can't see it now will know it's true soon as well.

[FlameHead]

Well giving a little speculation and then attempting to hit your audience up for 100 dollars doesn't speak much for you or your "movement".

I am just getting to the questions though.

You show me a politician (He's running for congress) that doesn't ask for money.

[ShadowBoxing]

It's really breaking up though

[FlameHead]

Look folks, at some point in your life, you're going to have to face this. We're really running out of time. It's scary. It's unbelievable but, it's also true and I'm, personally, not goign to stand for it.

[Super Flight]

I beileve it

[Bullseye]

I never believed in the conspiracy theory about 9/11.

I have researched both sides of the conspiracy theories and the commision report.

Bin Laden claimed responsibility. There is an Islamic radical movement that is extremely dangerous. I think World War III began Israel attacking Lebanon.

On another note, there is a new film called Obsession. Obession is a documentary about radical Islam against the west. The film goes into greater detail of the threat that the Islamic radicals pose.

[Super Flight]

I believe it was both bin laden and the government

[FlameHead]

I never believed in the conspiracy theory about 9/11.

I have researched both sides of the conspiracy theories and the commision report.

Bin Laden claimed responsibility. There is an Islamic radical movement that is extremely dangerous. I think World War III began Israel attacking Lebanon.

On another note, there is a new film called Obsession. Obession is a documentary about radical Islam against the west. The film goes into greater detail of the threat that the Islamic radicals pose.

Well, I guess have to agree to disagree and also to agree to talk about this again this time next year. How about that?

[FlameHead]

I believe is was both bin laden and the government

Bin Laden is a patsy, yes. He and his family have deep business ties with the Bush family. This is known knowledge.

[FlameHead]

By the way, that panel shown on C-Span was only what C-Span covered. That was a two day event where each of those people, and many more, had panels of their own, presentations of their own.

Do a google search or youtube search for "American Scholars Symposium" if you're interested.

[ShadowBoxing]

Look folks, at some point in your life, you're going to have to face this. We're really running out of time. It's scary. It's unbelievable but, it's also true and I'm, personally, not goign to stand for it.Maybe I haven't made myself clear. I think I have already explained what is wrong with a debunking site. I feel I have one above and beyond rationality at this point to even entertain Mr Jones...however I will say this to him and you. Empassioned speeches don't sway me, evidence does. He can sit there an scream how my "Government is falling apart" but until he can show me beyond a reasonable doubt that is the case, he better go find a new sheep.

By the way Flamehead your post sounds just like something Bush would say to the American people to get them riled up about the big bad terrorists. Nice to know you, Jones and Bush have something in common.

[FlameHead]

Maybe I haven't made myself clear. I think I have already explained what is wrong with a debunking site. I feel I have one above and beyond rationality at this point to even entertain Mr Jones...however I will say this to him and you. Empassioned speeches don't sway me, evidence does. He can sit there an scream how my "Government is falling apart" but until he can show me beyond a reasonable doubt that is the case, he better go find a new sheep.

By the way Flamehead your post sounds just like something Bush would say to the American people to get them riled up about the big bad terrorists. Nice to now you, Jones and Bush have something in common.

You're the one falling for Bush's warmongering fear induced dictatorship, not me.

What also makes me laugh is that you refute the proof given to you and still deman proof. These people are empassioned because they have tonnes of proof and people like you will not accept it.

[Speedball]

Evidence proves everything, your words prove nothing.
I'm with Shadowboxing on this.

[FlameHead]

Just wait and see how much things change, even by the elections in November.

[Speedball]

You're the one falling for Bush's warmongering fear induced dictatorship, not me.

What also makes me laugh is that you refute the proof given to you and still deman proof. These people are empassioned because they have tonnes of proof and people like you will not accept it.
Where is this proof you speak of? I have seen nothing, only heard these people make claims.

[FlameHead]

Evidence proves everything, your words prove nothing.
I'm with Shadowboxing on this.

You're right, evidence proves everything, so why are you ignoring it?

All it takes is a serious investigation for yourself to see what's right and what's wrong about the whole thing. Set out to prove, to yourself, that the official correct, every single part of it, is possible.

[FlameHead]

Where is this proof you speak of? I have seen nothing, only heard these people make claims.

The proof is in the footage. A monkey could see that building 7 was a controlled demolition... at the very least.

[Speedball]

Just wait and see how much things change, even by the elections in November.
Do you even understand how the system of Checks and balances works?
It was set up so a dictator could NEVER take power.

[FlameHead]

Do you even understand how the system of Checks and balances works?
It was set up so a dictator could NEVER take power.

Just wait and see. It's well on it's well.

I can't wait to have this conversation with people again in the future.

[Speedball]

The proof is in the footage. A monkey could see that building 7 was a controlled demolition... at the very least.
post this vid again.
I have to see this Bull**** for myself.

[Speedball]

Are you from Canada?
Don't tell about what is happening in my nation.
all I see is BS made by Liberals who are as bad as Anne Coulter.
did you vote in the election? no, so don't b**** about something not in your control.
I voted for Bush, but that's because he was the lesser of two evils.

[FlameHead]

post this vid again.
I have to see this Bull**** for myself.

Here's the video:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5101488991907845273&q=wtc+7

Here's a picture:

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/wtc-7.gif

[Speedball]

You dumbass!
It fell because the force from the falling buildings destroyed the supports underneath.

[FlameHead]

Are you from Canada?
Don't tell about what is happening in my nation.
all I see is BS made by Liberals who are as bad as Anne Coulter.
did you vote in the election? no, so don't b**** about something not in your control.
I voted for Bush, but that's because he was the lesser of two evils.

It didn't matter who you voted for because they were both part of the same evil. Besides, you're electronic voting system is corrupt as **** and you should at least see that.

Yes, I'm Canadian and I'm talking about your nation because your nation affects then entire world and when that nation is hijacked by a unseen cabal then I feel an overwhelming urge to let your nation know so that my nation and the rest of the nations on earth can survive.

[ShadowBoxing]

You're the one falling for Bush's warmongering fear induced dictatorship, not me.

What also makes me laugh is that you refute the proof given to you and still deman proof. These people are empassioned because they have tonnes of proof and people like you will not accept it.I've never given any support for Bush's warmongering, in fact I would defy you to find a post where I did. I have severe philosophical issues with standing armies as it stands, and I also voted for Nader and then Gore in the prior elections. I am also a College Democrat, and support Feingold for 2008.

And proof does not come from arguing the "official story", it comes from proving your own story. Proving color x is not black, does not prove it is white. You compare yourselves to those who proved the "Earth was not the center of the Universe" but those people set out to prove a hypothesis they made, not disprove the current model. That is what proof is. Like photos of engine parts, videos from Bin Laden, eyewitness testimony, phonecalls made from highjacked planes, diagrams of plane impact photos....not empassioned speeches.

Scientists don't spend time trying to disprove creationism, hence why they have no arguments against it and why there are thousands of "debunking sites" exist to attempt to push creationism. It is easy to shoot holes in theories because there are always things that are left unanswered, cannot be answered without actual 1st person involvement, or will be unanswered simply due to chaos and unexplainable phenomena.

I have yet to see a site that presents an overwhelming degree of evidence for it's case.

[Speedball]

You do realize your nation is harboring terrorist cells as we speak, and is doing nothing about it.

[FlameHead]

You dumbass!
It fell because the force from the falling buildings destroyed the supports underneath.

Lots of other buildings in the area had damage, some far worse. They did not fall. Only the buildings owned by Larry Silverstein fell. 3 of them.

In that video, you can clearly see the top black center support falling in before the rest of the building falls. That would not happen by damage on the outside of the building. You can also see the squibs on both the left and right side of the building and on the other right corner.

This was a controlled demolition. Those in the business refer to it as a beutiful job.

[FlameHead]

I have yet to see a site that presents an overwhelming degree of evidence for it's case.

And what I'm asking is for you to seek out and try and find that proof.

[FlameHead]

You do realize your nation is harboring terrorist cells as we speak, and is doing nothing about it.

You do realize that your nation created a terrorist organization called Al-Qaeda and has been using it to induce fear anywhere they wanted in the world since it's creation.... and are doing nothing about it.

[Speedball]

Lots of other buildings in the area had damage, some far worse. They did not fall. Only the buildings owned by Larry Silverstein fell. 3 of them.

In that video, you can clearly see the top black center support falling in before the rest of the building falls. That would not happen by damage on the outside of the building. You can also see the squibs on both the left and right side of the building and on the other right corner.

This was a controlled demolition. Those in the business refer to it as a beutiful job.
blahblahblah.
you really are not proving anything.

[FlameHead]

You do realize your nation is harboring terrorist cells as we speak, and is doing nothing about it.

And even if that were true and public knowledge, tell me, why has the US not sealed off it's borders? Why are both sides wide open?

[FlameHead]

blahblahblah.
you really are not proving anything.

I'm not here to prove anything. I'm here to discuss what I've learn't. It affects me not if you don't believe me.

[ShadowBoxing]

And even if that were true and public knowledge, tell me, why has the US not sealed off it's borders? Why are both sides wide open?Because it would cripple our economy.

[Speedball]

And even if that were true and public knowledge, tell me, why has the US not sealed off it's borders? Why are both sides wide open?
Because then your nation and Mexico would be in an uproar and it would horribly affect trade with these nations.

[ShadowBoxing]

I'm not here to prove anything. I'm here to discuss what I've learn't. It affects me not if you don't believe me.Well we really haven't learned anything beyond "there are people who believe 9-11 was staged".

[FlameHead]

But, don't they want to protect you for all the terrorists that are out to get you? I just don't understand....

[Speedball]

I'm not here to prove anything. I'm here to discuss what I've learn't. It affects me not if you don't believe me.
So now you are trying to push your beliefs on me.
I http://pcmedia.gamespy.com/pc/image/article/719/719791/episode-17-if-a-tree-falls-20060719055718166.jpg
when people try to force their beliefs on me!

[FlameHead]

Well we really haven't learned anything beyond "there are people who believe 9-11 was staged".

Well, perhaps it'll inspire you to look a little deeper yourself, I don't know. I just feel it's at least important to discuss. Especially considering I believe a similar type event is just around the corner which everyone should be prepared for.

[FlameHead]

So now you are trying to push your beliefs on me.
I http://pcmedia.gamespy.com/pc/image/article/719/719791/episode-17-if-a-tree-falls-20060719055718166.jpg
when people try to force their beliefs on me!

I'm just talking here man. Not once have I asked you to believe me. I don't care if anyone believes me. I just makes me feel better to talk about it and perhaps there are others that wish to as well.

[Speedball]

And now you contradict yourself, you're no better than the politicians you claim are corrupt.

[FlameHead]

And now you contradict yourself, you're no better than the politicians you claim are corrupt.

Um, please explain.

[Speedball]

I'm not here to prove anything. I'm here to discuss what I've learn't. It affects me not if you don't believe me.
You say that you don't like it when people don't believe you, then you say

I'm just talking here man. Not once have I asked you to believe me. I don't care if anyone believes me. I just makes me feel better to talk about it and perhaps there are others that wish to as well.
Now you don't care? But you said you did.
Which is it?

[FlameHead]

Read those sentences again my friend:

"It affects me not if you don't believe me."

"I don't care if anyone believes me."

There are the same thing.

[ShadowBoxing]

Well, perhaps it'll inspire you to look a little deeper yourself, I don't know. I just feel it's at least important to discuss. Especially considering I believe a similar type event is just around the corner which everyone should be prepared for.Well discussions of belief certainly have their time and place. You may notice I am very careful not to say anything that is "my opinion" [in political matters]. I tend to just say facts, figures, or quote a source since in a debate or discussion such as this I am not interested in what my opinion is. In fact my opinion is pretty irrelevent.

However if you want this thread to be about belief, then you are faced with thousands, if not billions of opinions both conflicting and supporting on any given subject. The benchmark of an intelligent person is the ability to detach themselves from opinion and come at something from a logical and testable method. I could listening to everyone's "belief" on something, but I'd never get anywhere. I realize not everyone will look at a series of events or a set of evidence the same way I do, however that does not somehow discredit my position.

[Speedball]

Read those sentences again my friend:

"It affects me not if you don't believe me."

"I don't care if anyone believes me."

There are the same thing.
My hate for you is so great, the Not disappeared.

[FlameHead]

Well discussions of belief certainly have their time and place. You may notice I am very careful not to say anything that is "my opinion" [in political matters]. I tend to just say facts, figures, or quote a source since in a debate or discussion such as this I am not interested in what my opinion is. In fact my opinion is pretty irrelevent.

However if you want this thread to be about belief, then you are faced with thousands, if not billions of opinions both conflicting and supporting on any given subject. The benchmark of an intelligent person is the ability to detach themselves from opinion and come at something from a logical and testable method. I could listening to everyone's "belief" on something, but I'd never get anywhere. I realize not everyone will look at a series of events or a set of evidence the same way I do, however that does not somehow discredit my position.

The fact is you dispute my facts because they don't suit your needs. Plain and simple. I've kept a very open mind while researching this for the past 7 months and have carefully come to my conclusions. I'm not just some guy in a basement paranoid about the world. I've done my homework and am trying to get people, people who actually care that is, to do some homework too.

[FlameHead]

My hate for you is so great, the Not disappeared.

Hate is a problem in this world. Love is all we need.

[Speedball]

Hate is a problem in this world. Love is all we need.

Yeah, well, I don't hate you enough to hurt you, just scream in your face.

[FlameHead]

Yeah, well, I don't hate you enough to hurt you, just scream in your face.

And I accept that.

[ShadowBoxing]

The fact is you dispute my facts because they don't suit your needs. Plain and simple. I've kept a very open mind while researching this for the past 7 months and have carefully come to my conclusions. I'm not just some guy in a basement paranoid about the world. I've done my homework and am trying to get people, people who actually care that is, to do some homework too.I don't know about that. What are my needs. I certainly don't like police states, and I don't wish to leave, though I would if such a thing occurred.

However if I support Feingold for example, it certainly suits my needs to expose such a conspiracy theory of this magnitude. Especially since Rus is the only one [yes the ONLY one] to vote both against the Patriot Act and the Iraq War (and for Gay marriage, separation of Church and State and all those good things). However as liberal as he is, he would certainly be well served to have something like this be true. So no, considering I might take up the offer to help with his primary campaign my school offers, no it would serve me better to have Bush totally disgraced, completely.

Furthermore your theory certainly paints a dangerous and potentially harmful picture for me and my family.

So no, it does not serve me not to believe your theory. My reasons for believing or not believing usually run far deeper than that.

[Mr Sparkle]

So now you are trying to push your beliefs on me.
I http://pcmedia.gamespy.com/pc/image/article/719/719791/episode-17-if-a-tree-falls-20060719055718166.jpg
when people try to force their beliefs on me!

In no place in the post you responded to does he say that you should share his beliefs, in fact, he states he doesn't care if you believe him or not.
WTF is wrong with you?
and then after the reiterates his stance you say he is going back on his word like a politician???????? :confused:
what's your damage? are you freaking insane?
like that Bush was the lesser of 2 evils crap? who told you to think that?
you surely couldn't have come up with such an imbecilic statement by yourself, that sounds like something that your dad probably said at some point.

dood you suck :down

[Carter]

This is an endless debate.
I stopped trying to be serious about this back a few months ago when I must have found 10 pages worth of material, basically reducing these theories to trash.

But what happens? It goes ignored for a few days.
A new thread emerges and the debate begins anew.

[FlameHead]

Until the debate is mainstream, unfortunatly, this is what we're faced with. It's coming though, mark my words. There is no way this can be ignored much longer

[Speedball]

In no place in the post you responded to does he say that you should share his beliefs, in fact, he states he doesn't care if you believe him or not.
WTF is wrong with you?
and then after the reiterates his stance you say he is going back on his word like a politician???????? :confused:
what's your damage? are you freaking insane?
like that Bush was the lesser of 2 evils crap? who told you to think that?
you surely couldn't have come up with such an imbecilic statement by yourself, that sounds like something that your dad probably said at some point.

dood you suck :down
WOW! you. are. an. ass!
I know I saw that. thanks for pointing it out.
how about posting your opinion instead of bashing people.
Did I bash him, no.
And yes I am Freaking Insane.
Got a problem with it, well SHUT THE F*** UP, B****!

[FlameHead]

Anyway folks, I'm off to bed. I hope you all have a plesent rest of your day and tomorrow and forever if we never speak again.

Ta for now.

[Mr Sparkle]

WOW! you. are. an. ass!
I know I saw that. thanks for pointing it out.
how about posting your opinion instead of bashing people.
Did I bash him, no.
And yes I am Freaking Insane.
Got a problem with it, well SHUT THE F*** UP, B****!

ooooh your awesome, like buzz bunny, you're extreeeeeeeeeme!!!!!
if by extreme you mean, retarded. If you "know"and you "saw that"then you would have to agree that you just acted like an asshat for NOP REASON WHATSOEVER.

good on ya :up:

[Speedball]

ooooh your awesome, like buzz bunny, you're extreeeeeeeeeme!!!!!
if by extreme you mean, retarded. If you "know"and you "saw that"then you would have to agree that you just acted like an asshat for NOP REASON WHATSOEVER.

good on ya :up:
Ignore Listed ya paranoid instigator

[Mr Sparkle]

Ignore Listed ya paranoid instigator


LOL, are you telling me what to believe???? are you?? I hate that!!!!

[Speedball]

Are you afraid of conflict?
Is that why you lash out at people over the internet? because you know we will never see your face?

[Mr Sparkle]

LOL, what are you even talking about man???? (or woman)
the one that seems to be afraid of conflict, not to mention have a rather fragile grasp of reality is you.

besides. I thought you had "Ignore Listed"(sic) Me? :confused:

[FlameHead]

For those who missed it, the C-Span panel is coming on againg today...

Are you afraid of conflict?
Is that why you lash out at people over the internet? because you know we will never see your face?

SpeedBall, I remember you being the only one to lash out.

[Super Flight]

I'm from America and i'm with Flamehead on this, and a lot of you are being ***holes about it, if you dont believe it then you have the right to not say anything

[JLBats]

I'm from America and i'm with Flamehead on this

Thanks a lot for bumping this:mad::up:

[Speedball]

I'm from America and i'm with Flamehead on this, and a lot of you are being ***holes about it, if you dont believe it then you have the right to not say anything

You're right, but so do the people who believe it.

[Super Flight]

Thanks a lot for bumping this:mad::up:

here here

[JLBats]

oh shut the **** up, then dont post in it

...Um, I was thanking you:down:confused:

[Viper81]

I'm hoping that someone here posted the Snopes article debunking this. lol

[JLBats]

I'm hoping that someone here posted the Snopes article debunking this. lol

Snopes only did an article debunking the "A missile hit the Pentagon" theory.

[Super Flight]

...Um, I was thanking you:down:confused:

:eek:

sorry about that...i didnt sleep to well.....

[FlameHead]

Snopes only did an article debunking the "A missile hit the Pentagon" theory.

Which is a theory I don't believe, personally. I think a plane probably did hit the building (not sure why they refuse to show us but...) but, I don't believe there is any way possible that it was a 757. It was more than likely an unmaned drone.

[JLBats]

Which is a theory I don't believe, personally. I think a plane probably did hit the building (not sure why they refuse to show us but...) but, I don't believe there is any way possible that it was a 757. It was more than likely an unmaned drone.

Again, I totally don't get why conspiracy theorists have to throw in unmanned drones and magical holograms in order to sensationalise their theories. It's stupid, it makes it harder for people to believe the theories, and frankly it doesn't make a whole lot of sense:down:rolleyes:

[Super Flight]

Which is a theory I don't believe, personally. I think a plane probably did hit the building (not sure why they refuse to show us but...) but, I don't believe there is any way possible that it was a 757. It was more than likely an unmaned drone.

:eek: thats the first thing i beileved, Did you watch the video about it?, the hole was very very small, a 7-47 would have make a much greater hole, its as if the plane had no wings, A plane with no wings?? i wonder what that could be...A missle:eek:

[JLBats]

:eek: thats the first thing i beileved, Did you watch the video about it?, the hole was very very small, a 7-47 would have make a much greater hole, its as if the plane had no wings, A plane with no wings?? i wonder what that could be...A missle:eek:

Again, Snopes has debunked this very technically.

[Carter]

That hole that they showed was made by firefighting personnel to vent the rings

[FlameHead]

Again, I totally don't get why conspiracy theorists have to throw in unmanned drones and magical holograms in order to sensationalise their theories. It's stupid, it makes it harder for people to believe the theories, and frankly it doesn't make a whole lot of sense:down:rolleyes:

Only to you it doesn't make sense. A 757 could not pull off the manouvers it did especially by these unexperiences pilots. A 757 would have left MUCH more wreckage and a MUCH bigger hole than less than 20 feet wide.

A drone however, could.

Besides, WHY have the NOT released ONE of the hundreds of pieces of footage showing the 757 hitting when we've seen pretty much everything else a hundred times. It doesn't make sense.

[FlameHead]

Again, Snopes has debunked this very technically.

This is the problem I have with you non believers. You'd rather some tit name Snopes prove these theories, innacuries and plain as day cover ups then make your Governement explain it. You'd rather listen to 'Snopes' than ask your Government the questions. It doesn't make sense. You're government is there for you, not the other way around.

[JLBats]

It doesn't make sense because why would you bother using a drone to his the Pentagon?

Why say "Just for the hell of it, let's risk our whole plan by randomly using a drone."?

Why not just use an actual plane?

God...

[Super Flight]

http://www.the7thfire.com/images/pentagonxox30.jpg

[JLBats]

This is the problem I have with you non believers. You'd rather some tit name Snopes prove these theories, innacuries and plain as day cover ups then make your Governement explain it. You'd rather listen to 'Snopes' than ask your Government the questions. It doesn't make sense. You're government is there for you, not the other way around.

That doesn't even make sense.

"Don't listen to Snopes and their damned logic! Listen to stupidity and fringe websites so you can demonize your government! RAWR!"

And you know damn well the US government is not my own, so stop saying that bull****:down

[JLBats]

http://www.the7thfire.com/images/pentagonxox30.jpg

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[Super Flight]

I beileve this more then anything else

http://img71.exs.cx/img71/5531/pentagon4ym.jpg

[roach]

This is the problem I have with you non believers. You'd rather some tit name Snopes prove these theories, innacuries and plain as day cover ups then make your Governement explain it. You'd rather listen to 'Snopes' than ask your Government the questions. It doesn't make sense. You're government is there for you, not the other way around.


I think the burden of proof is on you. You have to prove there was a conspiracy and something other than planes hit the WTC.

[Speedball]

http://www.the7thfire.com/images/pentagonxox30.jpg

They folded in or broke off.
Any person with a basic understanding of physics would know this.

[roach]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

are you a plane engineer????
You may not know this(aside from those pics not being the correct scale) but aircraft arent very sturdy. The wings of a 747 wouldnt have gone thru a reinforced building.

[Super Flight]

They folded in or broke off
Any person with a basic understanding of physics would know this.

then you are an idiot if you think a cement building can snap off 7-57 wings...its ironic, since you just proved us that you dont have any understanding

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/WTC_hole.jpg

[JLBats]

are you a plane engineer????
You may not know this(aside from those pics not being the correct scale) but aircraft arent very sturdy. The wings of a 747 wouldnt have gone thru a reinforced building.

Snopes has never lead me wrong before, unlike fringe websites. Besides, as it says, the wings didn't go through, they snapped off and were folded into the airplane by force.

[FlameHead]

That doesn't even make sense.

"Don't listen to Snopes and their damned logic! Listen to stupidity and fringe websites so you can demonize your government! RAWR!"

And you know damn well the US government is not my own, so stop saying that bull****:down

Sorry. I keep doing that...

Look, what I'm saying is that if there is these questions, you should be demanding that a Government answer them, not some dude with hit own theories.

[roach]

Snopes has never lead me wrong before, unlike fringe websites. Besides, as it says, the wings didn't go through, they snapped off and were folded into the airplane by force.

exactly....next time you are in a plane choose the window seat and watch how the wings wobble as the plane flies

[roach]

Sorry. I keep doing that...

Look, what I'm saying is that if there is these questions, you should be demanding that a Government answer them, not some dude with hit own theories.


and by the same notion why should what some nut says on the internet cause me to question what the government says

[FlameHead]

I think the burden of proof is on you. You have to prove there was a conspiracy and something other than planes hit the WTC.

I seen the planes hit the WTC. I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is that they would have fallen because of it. That the only 3 buildings that did fall were the ones owned by Larry Silversteen, who only 6 weeks before, since a 99 year lease giving him insurance (which he recieved 2 billion dollars for after the destruction) and also a guantee that he gets to build it's replacement.

I'm disputing building 7 and it's VERY obvious contolled demolition.

[JLBats]

Sorry. I keep doing that...

Look, what I'm saying is that if there is these questions, you should be demanding that a Government answer them, not some dude with hit own theories.

But that's pretty much what every theory online regarding the Illuminati and holograms is doing.

And for the last time, just because I don't believe in holograms and missiles does NOT believe I don't buy that they would orchestrate it or allow it to happen.

If only some people weren't so black and white:rolleyes:

[roach]

then you are an idiot if you think a cement building can snap off 7-57 wings...its ironic, since you just proved us that you dont have any understanding

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/WTC_hole.jpg


big diffence in make up of a skyscraper and a military reinforced building

[FlameHead]

and by the same notion why should what some nut says on the internet cause me to question what the government says

You may consider me a nut but there are thousands of very professional and extreamly well educated people who have studied the events that day for the past 5 years. You know, the people with the courage to stand up to your near fascist regime.

[roach]

I seen the planes hit the WTC. I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is that they would have fallen because of it. That the only 3 buildings that did fall were the ones owned by Larry Silversteen, who only 6 weeks before, since a 99 year lease giving him insurance (which he recieved 2 billion dollars for after the destruction) and also a guantee that he gets to build it's replacement.

I'm disputing building 7 and it's VERY obvious contolled demolition.

why wouldnt they have fallen???

[Speedball]

then you are an idiot if you think a cement building can snap off 7-57 wings...its ironic, since you just proved us that you dont have any understanding

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/WTC_hole.jpg

that was created because the plane came in at an angle

Look at the side of the building, that hole was created because that is where the nose sits.

[roach]

You may consider me a nut but there are thousands of very professional and extreamly well educated people who have studied the events that day for the past 5 years. You know, the people with the courage to stand up to your near fascist regime.


and why havent these people gotten together to force the government to "come clean"?

[Super Flight]

big diffence in make up of a skyscraper and a military reinforced building

The world trade centers were reinforced too

[FlameHead]

But that's pretty much what every theory online regarding the Illuminati and holograms is doing.

And for the last time, just because I don't believe in holograms and missiles does NOT believe I don't buy that they would orchestrate it or allow it to happen.

If only some people weren't so black and white:rolleyes:

Look JL, I don't believe all the theories about that day either. In fact, I think it's quite sad and destructive that so many theories exist. If the entire truth movement would ban together and focus on the really hard evidence, this thing would have been a full blow revolution by now.

[FlameHead]

and why havent these people gotten together to force the government to "come clean"?

What, you think that's an easy thing to do? Jesus, look at the argument I'm getting from some comic book fans?

[ShadowBoxing]

I beileve this more then anything else

http://img71.exs.cx/img71/5531/pentagon4ym.jpgAirplanes aren't that big, just an FYI, they may be about a forth that size.

[roach]

The world trade centers were reinforced too


yeah but the Pentagon is a reinforced building

[Speedball]

What, you think that's an easy thing to do? Jesus, look at the argument I'm getting from some comic book fans?

And you are on this website because...?

[JLBats]

Look JL, I don't believe all the theories about that day either. In fact, I think it's quite sad and destructive that so many theories exist. If the entire truth movement would ban together and focus on the really hard evidence, this thing would have been a full blow revolution by now.

If you honestly think the truth movement could ever amount to any sort of revolution, you are extremely naive.

People are content to live happy, comfortable lives without worrying about such theories. Some people genuinely don't buy them.

[Super Flight]

and why havent these people gotten together to force the government to "come clean"?

becasue they'd get killed...The people who had the video tape on a hotel that was had the Pentagon in view, Were THREATED to not say a worrd about the tape

[FlameHead]

why wouldnt they have fallen???

These were designed for multiple 707 (the biggest planes at the time) hits. These were the greatest buildings ever built and if somebody can believe that they would just fall strait down in near free fall speed after less than an hour of burning than, that's just crazy. NO steel frame building has fallen due to fire EXCEPT the 3 towers that fell that day. NONE.

[roach]

The world trade centers were reinforced too

then why was the planes able to go thru the WTC and just stop at one side of the Pentagon???

[FlameHead]

If you honestly think the truth movement could ever amount to any sort of revolution, you are extremely naive.

People are content to live happy, comfortable lives without worrying about such theories. Some people genuinely don't buy them.

You obvioulsy have no idea how big this truth movement is and how determined the are to stop your country from becoming a true fascist regime. A revolution is coming, whether you prepare for it or not.

[Speedball]

yeah but the Pentagon is a reinforced building


Why would the top of a skyscraper be re-inforced?
It would collapse under it's own weight.

[ShadowBoxing]

But that's pretty much what every theory online regarding the Illuminati and holograms is doing.

And for the last time, just because I don't believe in holograms and missiles does NOT believe I don't buy that they would orchestrate it or allow it to happen.

If only some people weren't so black and white:rolleyes:They really would be better off dropping the whole "controlled demonlitions", "Hologram", "Illumanti", "New World Order", "Missle firing", "faked the deaths of passengers" stuff.

[Super Flight]

that was created because the plane came in at an angle

Look at the side of the building, that hole was created because that is where the nose sits.

pfff, still doesnt make sense

[Super Flight]

Airplanes aren't that big, just an FYI, they may be about a forth that size.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? really you're joking!! have you ever been on a great passenger Airplane??

[JLBats]

You obvioulsy have no idea how big this truth movement is and how determined the are to stop your country from becoming a true fascist regime. A revolution is coming, whether you prepare for it or not.

:rolleyes:

Die slowly.:down

[ShadowBoxing]

These were designed for multiple 707 (the biggest planes at the time) hits. These were the greatest buildings ever built and if somebody can believe that they would just fall strait down in near free fall speed after less than an hour of burning than, that's just crazy. NO steel frame building has fallen due to fire EXCEPT the 3 towers that fell that day. NONE.No steel frame building has ever been hit by a boeing 747/757 either.

[ShadowBoxing]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? really you're joking!! have you ever been on a great passenger Airplane??No, I'm not that is an incredibly grossly inaccurate depiction of how big an aircraft is. Seriously that plane you drew probably rivals the size of what a real life "the Ark" from Transformers would be.

[JLBats]

No steel frame building has ever been hit by a boeing 747/757 either.

People always say "How could such a thing happen just from fire?!"

Um, I'm pretty sure it's also from the HUGE ****ING PLANE that hit it.

:rolleyes:

[roach]

becasue they'd get killed...The people who had the video tape on a hotel that was had the Pentagon in view, Were THREATED to not say a worrd about the tape


and the footage the government released was doctored right???

[roach]

http://www.debunking911.com/

[Super Flight]

then why was the planes able to go thru the WTC and just stop at one side of the Pentagon???

it was a missle not a plane that hit the pentagon, so it created different damge...thats why there was no wreakage in the pentagon the proved to us it was a plane

[roach]

No, I'm not that is an incredibly grossly inaccurate depiction of how big an aircraft is.

he drew a freakin Star Destroyer

[Super Flight]

edit

[roach]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

yeah no proof what so ever

[Super Flight]

and the footage the government released was doctored right???

a camera at the pentagon whould have been recording at faster speeds..yet that camera was capturing images at the slowest speeds, what a peace of crap camera, they have better cameras at 7-11...so tell me this..why was that camera crap,I mean Its the Pentagon for gods sake! The camera didnt even show a plane hitting it, so no proof suports that its a plane

[FlameHead]

No steel frame building has ever been hit by a boeing 747/757 either.

Neither was Building 7

[roach]

a camera at the pentagon whould have been recording at faster speeds..yet that camera was capturing images at the slowest speeds, what a peace of crap camera, they have better cameras at 7-11...so tell me this..why was that camera crap,I mean Its the Pentagon for gods sake!


you obviously dont know the military buying mentality

[FlameHead]

and the footage the government released was doctored right???

And you saw a plane in that footage? Please show me a plane in that footage and I'll shut the **** up about the Pentagon. Until then, it's highly suspicious.

[Fred_Fury]

omg you proved everything! ! !

want a cookie?

[Super Flight]

i just want to know why 7-11 has better security cameras then the pentagon!!

[ShadowBoxing]

Neither was Building 7Which lost the entire front of the building when the towers fell.

[Super Flight]

why didnt they realese the footage of the pentagon from the gas station OR the Hotel cameras, UNLESS THEY HAVE SOMTHING TO HIDE!

[ShadowBoxing]

And you saw a plane in that footage? Please show me a plane in that footage and I'll shut the **** up about the Pentagon. Until then, it's highly suspicious.It is hard to make out a plane in the footage to be sure. However all the plane engine and landing gear found within the Pentagon make a good case for the boeing. Plus the fact that something had to have the wingspan to knock all the streetlamps down on the Pentagon lawn.

[ShadowBoxing]

why didnt they realese the footage of the pentagon from the gas station OR the Hotel cameras, UNLESS THEY HAVE SOMTHING TO HIDE!Security reasons is a pretty distinct possibility.

[roach]

i just want to know why 7-11 has better security cameras then the pentagon!!

because of the vast illuminati-hologram conspiracy

[Super Flight]

Security reasons is a pretty distinct possibility.

Security Reasons to Secure that a plane DID NOT hit the pentagon...The camers would have shown a plane hitting it...unless there was not a plane to be seen..

[roach]

It is hard to make out a plane in the footage to be sure. However all the plane engine and landing gear found within the Pentagon make a good case for the boeing. Plus the fact that something had to have the wingspan to knock all the streetlamps down on the Pentagon lawn.

unless the government knwe we'd be looking at that and programed the missle to hit all the lights before hitting the Pantagon

[FlameHead]

It is hard to make out a plane in the footage to be sure. However all the plane engine and landing gear found within the Pentagon make a good case for the boeing. Plus the fact that something had to have the wingspan to knock all the streetlamps down on the Pentagon lawn.

Actually, those few pieces of wreckage that was found fits a Drone much more than a Boeing 757. A 757 would have left MUCH MORE, you know, like two huge multi tonne titanium reinforced engines.

[ShadowBoxing]

unless the government knwe we'd be looking at that and programed the missle to hit all the lights before hitting the PantagonNo wonder Rumsfeld was out the night before on the lawn with that baseball bat.

Take that you streetlight.

[roach]

Security Reasons to Secure the video taps that a plane DID NOT hit the pentagon...The camers would have shown a plane hitting it...unless there was not a plane to be seen..


or maybe the footage catches them sprinkling plane wreckage all around

[JLBats]

unless the government knwe we'd be looking at that and programed the missle to hit all the lights before hitting the Pantagon

Highly likely. All those who don't believe are sheep who have only been conditioned to believe the LIES!!! SOON, THERE WILL BE A REVOLUTION!:mad:

[roach]

Actually, those few pieces of wreckage that was found fits a Drone much more than a Boeing 757. A 757 would have left MUCH MORE, you know, like two huge multi tonne titanium reinforced engines.

see post 976

[Super Flight]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aUR1APpIKW0&search=Pentagon%20Conspiracy

[FlameHead]

Which lost the entire front of the building when the towers fell.

I suggest you look at pictures of that building before it fell again. There were only two small fires and minimal damage. Also, you should look at footage of some of the other towers in the area which suffered much more damage and DIDN'T fall.

Then, you should look at building 7 fall again. It's very apparent that it did not topple over due to damage and was indeed demolished by control. You can see the top (center support structure) caving in first before the rest of the building falls and you can also see 'squibs' going up both sides of the front and the top right corner on the outside right.

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/wtc-7.gif

[ShadowBoxing]

Actually, those few pieces of wreckage that was found fits a Drone much more than a Boeing 757. A 757 would have left MUCH MORE, you know, like two huge multi tonne titanium reinforced engines.No actually the parts have been I'Ded as Boeing parts

Landing gear
http://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/debris1.jpg
engine 1
http://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/debris2.jpg
http://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/debris3.jpg
more engine parts
http://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/debris6.jpg
http://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/debris4.jpg
http://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/debris5.jpg

[ShadowBoxing]

And for those of you wondering how big a plane is
http://guardian.150m.com/pentagon/pent-graphic-757.jpg

[FlameHead]

unless the government knwe we'd be looking at that and programed the missle to hit all the lights before hitting the Pantagon

Who the hell is talking about a Missle. DRONE. DRONE. DRONE

[roach]

When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.