What would be acceptible for them to change in the Iron man movie?

[Artistsean]

OK, alot of times they change things in super hero movie, not saying Iron man will, but if it dide what would you be OK with them changing for the movie?
For example Spider-Man had those mechanical web shooters in the comic, and they changed them to organic. They could be small changes like that, or big changes like Iron Man never went overseas and kidnapped and forced to make the armor.

What sort of changes would be fine by you?

[Isildur´s Heir]

like Iron Man never went overseas and kidnapped and forced to make the armor.
You have one right there that should be made.

To be kidnapped and forced to make the armor is one of the most outdates origins ever, just behind Reed Richards and family stealing a spaceship.
One of the few things that they made right in the FF movie (not that the origin is any good, far from it, but they had the balls to change it).

[Ironfan72]

I suspect, from Jon's comments that the origin will remain true to the original story, saying the place will change, either Afghanistan or Iraq instead of Vietnam.

[TheVileOne]

Jon specifically said Afghanistan.

So the time period of the origin will be shifted and updated to reflect current events and contemporary times.

For one thing, there won't be any mystical or supernatural villains.

Iron Man's toughest villains are of a mystical nature. Jon said he is going to focus on technological villains.

[blind_fury]

Jon is pretty understanding so there won't be any pointless changes thank God.

[Artistsean]

I'm not hoping for any changes, and I don't think there will be any. Jon has alot of love for this project, it sounds, and wont make any changes really. Just wondering however, if there were some small changes, like I said before Spider-Man's web shooters, everyone seemed upset about that at first but now are fine with it. what changes would you be OK with in Iron Man? Just out of curiousity.

[TheVileOne]

I'm not hoping for any changes, and I don't think there will be any. Jon has alot of love for this project, it sounds, and wont make any changes really. Just wondering however, if there were some small changes, like I said before Spider-Man's web shooters, everyone seemed upset about that at first but now are fine with it. what changes would you be OK with in Iron Man? Just out of curiousity.
We already know there will be plenty of changes.

[Ironman24]

Yeah, I think there will be plenty of minor changes as well, I'm a huge Iron Man fan and I can accept some changes, Like Afghanistan instead of Vietnam, it needs updated for todays audiences, no one will believe he was captured by Viet-Cong now.
Any thing else, I'll reserve judgement on until I see the story and other elements, but I doubt I'll be very critical of what Jon has in mind.

[X-Punisher]

OK, alot of times they change things in super hero movie, not saying Iron man will, but if it dide what would you be OK with them changing for the movie?
For example Spider-Man had those mechanical web shooters in the comic, and they changed them to organic. They could be small changes like that, or big changes like Iron Man never went overseas and kidnapped and forced to make the armor.

What sort of changes would be fine by you?


What country was he kidnapped by? If he were to be kidnapped he should either be kidnapped by Iran, North Korea, Japan or Russia.

[Chris Wallace]

I think it was Vietnam.

[Ironman24]

I think it was Vietnam.
Yes, it was Vietnam.

[Ronny Shade]

I think they need to make Tony a little more haunted than he is. The man depends on a machine to stay alive. They should dig into that.

[Chris Wallace]

Do we care whether they keep the alcoholism in there?

[Artistsean]

Jon has stated that he plans to not have the alcoholism, or hardly any in the film. Maybe just hint at it, because this is the first origin film. He said the first film will focus on him being Iron Man and the effects it has on his company, even though he is secretly Iron Man.
I think that should be fine, maybe they show he drinks a little more than others and they don't say anything about it. I think before the alcoholism they should get the audiance to know and like Tony Stark and Iron Man.

For me, I guess I would be fine if they changed the kidnapping thing or the secret identity thing. But I don't read iron man all the time, I like him and know all about him. But I think seeing his origin would be cool too.

[Isildur´s Heir]

Do we care whether they keep the alcoholism in there?
Very....
Alcoholism is a very important issue of Tony Stark, not only makes him 'more human', it´s a huge part of his personality.
Jon has not revealed much on his vision, but, for the first thing to come out...it really sucks :down :(

Jon has stated that he plans to not have the alcoholism, or hardly any in the film. Maybe just hint at it, because this is the first origin film. He said the first film will focus on him being Iron Man and the effects it has on his company, even though he is secretly Iron Man.
I think that should be fine, maybe they show he drinks a little more than others and they don't say anything about it. I think before the alcoholism they should get the audiance to know and like Tony Stark and Iron Man.
No, it´s not fine.
To know Tony Stark, you can´t close your eyes to the alcoholism.
Besides, the alcoholism gives an all new meaning and depth to the origin movie.


BTW, i was serious when i said that the all kidnapped and forced to make the armor angle from the origin should be changed...

[The Question]

Personally, I think he should be kidnaped and forced to build weapons in China. A right wing terrorist group led by a fellow calling himself "The Mandarin" wants to use Stark's weapons to lead a particularly bloody cue against the Chinese government. From Stark's designs, he gets his rings.

[Ironfan72]

Do we care whether they keep the alcoholism in there?
I do, but like has been stated its not part of Tony's origin, maybe hint to a future problem, but nothing more than that, Jon wants to save the alcoholism for later films, and thats appropiate.

[TheVileOne]

What Isildur's Heir doesn't understand that Iron Man was around almost two decades before the alcoholism was written in.

It's not an integral part of an origin story which this movie is going to be.

[Isildur´s Heir]

What Isildur's Heir doesn't understand that Iron Man was around almost two decades before the alcoholism was written in.

It's not an integral part of an origin story which this movie is going to be.
And it gives what?
It´s part of who he is...

Didn´t you knew, Superman, when was created, didn´t fly, he jumped around, hence the "ABLE TO LEAP TALL BUILDINGS IN A SINGLE BOUND".
He just got the ability to fly during the 40´s, does this means they got the origin wrong?
Bruce Banner didn´t transformed into a physical manifestation of his repressed feelings and had various Hulk personalities, but that is canon now.
Prior to Detective Comics #38, Batman killed and used firearms....
Do i need to go on?
Bottom line is, alcoholism is an integral part of Tony Stark´s origin...

I agree with this guy (minus the, with alcoholism, the story loses any sense of real depth): http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/05/tony_stark_not_an_alcoholic_in_iron_man.html

[IronMan_2005]

Very....
Alcoholism is a very important issue of Tony Stark, not only makes him 'more human', it´s a huge part of his personality.
Jon has not revealed much on his vision, but, for the first thing to come out...it really sucks :down :(


No, it´s not fine.
To know Tony Stark, you can´t close your eyes to the alcoholism.
Besides, the alcoholism gives an all new meaning and depth to the origin movie.


BTW, i was serious when i said that the all kidnapped and forced to make the armor angle from the origin should be changed...


The alcoholism was an important issue for Tony Stark in the early to mid 80s, but it isn't anymore. And shouldn't be in this movie, they probably should just give hints that he likes to drink, but not make him a full blown alcoholic.

Iron Man has been around for 43 years, and was an alcoholic for about 3 -4 of those years almost +20 years ago, Jon is doing the right thing by saving the alcohoism for another time

[AndrewGilkison]

I'd wait until hearing more about what IS going to be in the movie, and how the origin is handled, and how well the character is written, and how he is played by the actor that is cast, before fretting about a supposed "lack of depth", just because they didn't introduce this element of his history in the first film. Maybe what Favreau wants to do is make you give a goddamn about Tony Stark before he develops a drinking problem, so its more tragic, and then you are rooting for him. I really don't see anything wrong with that kind of story choice.

Alcoholism isn't like Spider-Man cracking jokes at a villain's expense. Its a pretty serious issue, especially for what would be a PG-13 superhero flick. It deserves more attention then it would get in a movie that also tries to tell the origin of the character. You need to establish the character first, so the audience will actually care when he has a drinking problem.

[Artistsean]

Thats what I have been saying. Iron Man is not a story about an alcoholic. The audiance doesn't know him or care about him yet, you want the audiance to care about Tony the same way they care about Peter Parker or the X-men or Superman. Then once that connection is established you can introduce the alchoholism that would have to take up a whole movie. It would be too much for the first movie anyway, look at Daredevil. His Origin, Bullseye, Electra(who was totally changed), the whol Kingpin story. Those were four movies right there added into one.
For Iron man's origin you have to get the audiance to believe that this man has actually made armor that allows him to fly, be bullet proof, and shoot repulser beams from his hands. Doing something like that might take a whole movie right there, and the audiance has to get to know Tony and understand why he is being iron Man.

[rugger1114]

The origin they should use on that Ellis updated in the current IM book, where everything was the same as the original, just modernized to being in Afganistan. The whole alcholic issue should be shown but not made into a major problem yet, have something like Rhodes or Jarvis being concerned about Tony's drinking, possibly even tabloids writing about Tony drinking to much, but Tony saying he doesn't have a problem. Possibly have the movie end on Tony going to AA and have the next movie deal with his inner demons, and his battle with the bottle. On an semi-related note the villan for the first movie should be the Crimson Dynamo, hopefully the origin of CD doesn't change, it should still be Ivan Vanko, just have him be a Russian scientist who is to furter his reserch or electricity so Russian can have cheaper electricity in Post-communism Russia, and he builds the CD armor and tries to sell it on the black market.

[Artistsean]

I think CD is a great Iron Man villian but I'd be worried that audiances who don't know Iron Man yet would confuse the two armored characters. Not that i can think of a good villian for the first film myself.

[U.S War Machine]

http://www.amazingcomics.it/warmachine_1.jpgHere I'am

[ShadowBoxing]

And it gives what?
It´s part of who he is...

Didn´t you knew, Superman, when was created, didn´t fly, he jumped around, hence the "ABLE TO LEAP TALL BUILDINGS IN A SINGLE BOUND".
He just got the ability to fly during the 40´s, does this means they got the origin wrong?
Bruce Banner didn´t transformed into a physical manifestation of his repressed feelings and had various Hulk personalities, but that is canon now.
Prior to Detective Comics #38, Batman killed and used firearms....
Do i need to go on?
Bottom line is, alcoholism is an integral part of Tony Stark´s origin...

I agree with this guy (minus the, with alcoholism, the story loses any sense of real depth): http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/05/tony_stark_not_an_alcoholic_in_iron_man.htmlI have every Alcoholism issue of Iron Man, it takes place in a 2 year span and is an isolated incident, furthermore it is not connected in any way shape or form to who he is or how he became Iron Man unlike almost every other retcon you listed (and the alcoholism was not a retcon it was brought on by a series of unfortunate events--not the movie). So unless Stane plans to buy him out and you want to have him accidentally kill someone, there is no reason for the alcoholism, certainly not right away. It has not been re-addressed until now under "No new ideas" Quesada, and was not integral to his character in the late 80s, 70s and early 90s all of which had equally impacting storylines (like Armor Wars, Armor Wars II, Sentinent Armor Storyline, *shudder* Teen Tony:( ....just forget that please, Iron Man vs Doctor Doom, etc.).

His alcoholism is about as important as DareDevil's homelessness, sure we loved it and it was a great storyline, but it is an isolated story and ought to be treated as such. DareDevil traditionally is not a short order cook or junk yard worker/hustler, but he has been....however I don't want a movie about him to have him as anything but a Lawyer, despite my love for Born Again and Fall From Grace.

[Ironfan72]

^ Unfortunatly, the casual comicbook reader only thinks of Iron Man/ Tony Stark as a alcoholic, its made fun of in just about every issue of Toyfair, so thats all anyone connect's with when they think of Iron Man, Iron Man has a rich story telling tradition, that Jon is looking at, should Tony's alcoholism be address, absolutely, but not in a origin story.

[Artistsean]

I think that Jon will do a good job, and has already addressed the alchoholism saying he doesn't plan on doing it, so I don't think there is anything to worry about.

[Darth Rockwell]

The problem has only been compounded however by Ulitmate Iorn Man though. A lot of people I fear will not be able to distinguish between that and the orginal Iorn Man. Though I must admit I really enjoy UI. However I want the orginal Iorn Man movie not an Ultimate.

[Duncan MacLeod]

I don't think the alcoholism is that important in this movie. Although the groundwork should be laid for it. It shouldn't take center stage. Just a hint that Stark drinks a bit more than is good for him.

I have no problem with them changing the location to the Middle East and Wong Chu to the leader of a terrorist cell or some such.

I'd be very annoyed to see major changes to the armor but I wouldn't have a problem with small ones.

[str8raz0r]

I think some armor changes are a given. Hopefully nothing huge...I still want some traditional red & gold togs for Tony.

However, didn't Favreau hint that we'd see a few variations throughout the film as Stark upgrades?

[TheVileOne]

And it gives what?
It´s part of who he is...

Didn´t you knew, Superman, when was created, didn´t fly, he jumped around, hence the "ABLE TO LEAP TALL BUILDINGS IN A SINGLE BOUND".
He just got the ability to fly during the 40´s, does this means they got the origin wrong?
Bruce Banner didn´t transformed into a physical manifestation of his repressed feelings and had various Hulk personalities, but that is canon now.
Prior to Detective Comics #38, Batman killed and used firearms....
Do i need to go on?
Bottom line is, alcoholism is an integral part of Tony Stark´s origin...

I agree with this guy (minus the, with alcoholism, the story loses any sense of real depth): http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/05/tony_stark_not_an_alcoholic_in_iron_man.html

Once again, this is an origin story for Iron Man. The alcoholism is an entirely separate issue that would bog down the origin story.

It's an important part of his character, but it's not crucial to an origin story/movie.

[Artistsean]

I think some armor changes are a given. Hopefully nothing huge...I still want some traditional red & gold togs for Tony.

However, didn't Favreau hint that we'd see a few variations throughout the film as Stark upgrades?

Armor changes, if you mean changed from the comic book version, aren't necissarilly a given. Remember how before Spider-Man came out everyone thought the costume would be changed, it was almost expected. Even Alex Ross did costume redesigns. Then the movie came about and they made it pretty much the same as the comic. So maybe they can do the same with Tony's costume. Jon did say they would show an evolution starting with the original old gray clunky costume. Should be really cool.

Ultimate Iron Man has sort of added to the thought that his drinking is a big part of Tony. In the Ultimates he is always drinking, and from the moment he is introduced he is drinking and says he gets drunk just to get in the suit. Ultimate Tony is a great take on the character. But in regular Marvel the drinking was introduced later to make his character more interesting. But Ultimate Marvel makes it look like drinking is part of Tony's character.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind them changing the kidnapping origin, like I have said before. But it would be interesting to see how they will handle it. I also wouldn't mind them changeing the fact that he has to wear the suit to stay alive. I think the main idea of Iron Man is that he is a rich playboy, not pretending to be, but at the same time or maybe because of it he has a sence of responcibility to use his power to make the world a better place.
I think if they add all this in, the secret identity and the kidnapping and the fact that he has to wear the suit to stay alive, it could be a really interesting and classic comic book movie.

I'm already looking forward to seeing the art of book, the visual development work for the film.

[Ironman24]

I don't think the alcoholism is that important in this movie. Although the groundwork should be laid for it. It shouldn't take center stage. Just a hint that Stark drinks a bit more than is good for him.

I have no problem with them changing the location to the Middle East and Wong Chu to the leader of a terrorist cell or some such.

I'd be very annoyed to see major changes to the armor but I wouldn't have a problem with small ones.

I agree, the alcoholism shouldn't play any role in the first film, a hint at a future problem would be fine with me.
Changing the location of Stark's capture makes sense, most people in a audience will not relate with Vietnam, but will with Afghanistan or Iraq, so that doesn't bother me either.
As for the Armor, I can handle minor changes, but if he comes on screen looking like something from Gundam is a problem.

[Chris Wallace]

Once again, this is an origin story for Iron Man. The alcoholism is an entirely separate issue that would bog down the origin story.

It's an important part of his character, but it's not crucial to an origin story/movie.
Agreed.

[Chris Wallace]

I think some armor changes are a given. Hopefully nothing huge...I still want some traditional red & gold togs for Tony.

However, didn't Favreau hint that we'd see a few variations throughout the film as Stark upgrades?
I just don't wanna see that manga-looking monstrosity he wears in Ultimates.

[str8raz0r]

I just don't wanna see that manga-looking monstrosity he wears in Ultimates.

I don't think anyone wants that. I wouldn't mind a "sleeker" armor, but there's a line to be drawn.

[3dman27]

I just don't wanna see that manga-looking monstrosity he wears in Ultimates.
neither do i

[Artistsean]

But they do have to make the armor look like robot armor, make it sort of obvious to the non comic book readers that this guy is in a robotic suit of armor. Maybe even make it so that the audaince can tell in a quick commercial.
Not that I want the Ultimate Iron Man armor either, I'm just staying to non comic book readers his armor might not read as robotic armor at a glance.

[3dman27]

as long as he doesn't look like a weak apology for MASTER CHIEF

[ROB]

I dont see what the fuss is about I mean do remember we were origonly going to get a father son story

[3dman27]

that storyline was scrapped as being too clost to ang lee's HULK

[ROB]

that storyline was scrapped as being too clost to ang lee's HULK



I no that but what we have now seems great but people are still moaning

[Artistsean]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong, or that there will be.
I'm not even complaining. I think the movie will be great.
I'm asking what would you be OK with them changing if they did change things for the movie?
Like when they changed Spider-Man's web shooters to organic, or when they changed the X-Men's costumes.
What changes would you not mind?

[Savage]

Well for one (and this isn't even much) I wouldn't mind if the armor was less sleak. I mean sometimes that thing just looks damn uncomfortable in the comics and I'm thinking "how does he bend his knees without snapping them?". The sleak, fake muscles look would have to go...Actually I'm a big fan of this version.
http://www.universohq.com/quadrinhos/2005/imagens/ironman.jpg
It actually lookslike a SUIT and not just something he transforms into magically.

I can't wait to see what Favreau's suit will look like. This is bigger for me than the very first pictures of Spidey and Hulk. :D

[Ben Urich]

I think it's okay for them to downplay (or save for future films) the alcoholism angle IF and ONLY IF they play up the fact that the dude is a heartbeat away from death.

EDIT:
Oh, and if they make the suit pretty much invincible (as Brian Bendis an others at Marvel have done recently), there's really no need to make the movie. The suit needs to have flaws. It shouldn't be able to be Tony's deus ex machina every time.

[ROB]

if they save his booze problem till later it will show the toll of playing the hero it takes on him

[3dman27]

thats true

[Ironman24]

if they save his booze problem till later it will show the toll of playing the hero it takes on him

thats a good point, to use the alcoholism in the first movie would take away from the tragic situation that Stark finds himself in as the pressure of being Iron Man, running the largest company in Marvel and his health begins to take its toll on him and he turns to alcohol to escape those pressure, something the audience needs to feel for him in the second movie.

[Mrh7448]

Tony's alcoholism is irrelevant for the first movie. You know this is going to be a hit and will end up being another franchise so there's no need to throw it in our faces right away, let it build up.

His suit should look robotic, but not like a manga style mecha, it should still have that human look too it. But it shouldn't look like clothes he puts on. I could never figure out how he fits it into a suitcase.

[kedrell]

To my mind, one of the things that made Iron Man relatable was the same thing that made Spider Man relatable: guilt. Guilt over his tech which he designed being used not to defend the country but to attack it and harm innocent people because it was stolen. They can't lose that part.