The Official SHH "Random Thoughts about Batman Begins" Thread

[raybia]

Watching BB again recently, it dawned on me that Crane actually made his first appearance as the "Scarecrow" when he encountered Rachel while on the horse as that was the persona that he at that point evisioned himself.

So technically, Batman has yet to truly face Scarecrow.

[Mee]

I guess you could say that.

I thought that was a nice nod to Loeb and Sale with Crane on the horse.

[Ronny Shade]

Batman kicked ass in this movie.

[raybia]

Does it bother anyone that Batman doesn't seem to be physically imposing?

I think years of reading the comic has given me that hang up, but I have to admit that Bruce Lee comes across as very imposing in spite of his diminitive stature.

[Ronny Shade]

He imposed me

[raybia]

By no means am I suggestion that Bale's Bruce/Batman is a small dude but there were quite a few people in this movie that were as large or larger than him.

In the comic books, few are his physical equal.

[Mee]

By no means am I suggestion that Bale's Bruce/Batman is a small dude but there were quite a few people in this movie that were as large or larger than him.

In the comic books, few are his physical equal.
It's hard to find an actor with that kind of size. (outside of wrestlers, and I'd hate to see The Rock as Batman) But Bale was by far the most imposing live action Bats to date.

[Ronny Shade]

By no means am I suggestion that Bale's Bruce/Batman is a small dude but there were quite a few people in this movie that were as large or larger than him.

In the comic books, few are his physical equal.
Well its gonna be hard to top Liam Neeson for height.

I know what you mean, though, but Comic Bats is 6'2" and so is Bale (i think)

[raybia]

Bale was by far the most imposing live action Bats to date.


I definitely agree.

[Ronny Shade]

definitely

[Whack Arnolds]

How was Bale not imposing? Did you even see the scene where he goes and does like 50+ pushups in a matter of seconds? Dude was built like a brick **** house.

[kage88]

he imposed me, too!

[raybia]

I read recently that Jett's interpretation of BB is that Batman truly begins at the end of the movie with him meeting Gordon on the roof discussing "escalation" and the mysterious Joker.

If this is truly the case then how does this impact the 2nd movie? Will the next movie just be more of the same or will Batman's characterization and the whole portrayal of the "world of Batman" be somewhat altered, sort of a Nolan's Batman Begins on steroids.

In other words, will the next movie more closely resemble the current comic book Batman Universe in look (Not talking about spandex) tone and mythology.

[ldhenson]

By no means am I suggestion that Bale's Bruce/Batman is a small dude but there were quite a few people in this movie that were as large or larger than him.

In the comic books, few are his physical equal.

I'm guessing that casting so many tall people alongside Bale was a conscious choice. (Of course, they're all excellent actors in the first place.) One of the movie's big themes is father figures, and having some of them as tall as or taller than Bruce/Batman (Ducard, Alfred, Fox, etc.) subtly reinforces that theme.

[Borat]

I read recently that Jett's interpretation of BB is that Batman truly begins at the end of the movie with him meeting Gordon on the roof discussing "escalation" and the mysterious Joker.

If this is truly the case then how does this impact the 2nd movie? Will the next movie just be more of the same or will Batman's characterization and the whole portrayal of the "world of Batman" be somewhat altered, sort of a Nolan's Batman Begins on steroids.

In other words, will the next movie more closely resemble the current comic book Batman Universe in look (Not talking about spandex) tone and mythology.I've thought about this as well. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

[The Kid]

What does 'going public' mean for wayne enterprises?

Why did joe chill leave bruce alive to identify him? and what's up with him shooting wayne and his wife anyway? He just wanted the pearls wayne... let him have the pearls...

The cops during the chase scene are such goofballs.

so batman just leaves a big hole in the room of two arkham inmates so they can escape?

What did bale drink before he said his "It's not who I am undeneath line." He sounds like Mouseman.

thanks for your time.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Does it bother anyone that Batman doesn't seem to be physically imposing?




He seemed pretty imposing when he practically crushed Crane's skull against that wall....

In the comic books, few are his physical equal


Actually, alot of other are taller than him in the comics.....

What does 'going public' mean for wayne enterprises?



I thought it meant that other compaines and people could buy the shares up for sale for Wayne Enterprises. Since Bruce bought most the shares.....he owns the compaines. Atleast, I thought that's what it meant. I think we should talk to a Wallstreet yuppie or something.....lol....how about Pat Bateman?

[Beelze]

Why did joe chill leave bruce alive to identify him? and what's up with him shooting wayne and his wife anyway? He just wanted the pearls wayne... let him have the pearls...
Indeed. The scene is a bit iffy. Anyhoo, he didn't shoot Bruce because he thought he had done enough harm already (after all, he didn't intend to kill the Waynes), and besides, Bruce was just a little kid.

[raybia]

Indeed. The scene is a bit iffy. Anyhoo, he didn't shoot Bruce because he thought he had done enough harm already (after all, he didn't intend to kill the Waynes), and besides, Bruce was just a little kid.


It would have been a nice touch if after Chill killed Bruce's parents they would have made eye contact and had Chill creep out by the look in Bruce's eyes.

[thedarks0ldier]

Ever notice that in the solitary cell, when Ducard meets Bruce, theres a line that Bruce says "What makes you think i need a path?" It almost sounds like he's saying "What makes you think i need a bath?"

Oh yea, now that i think about it, how long was bruce locked up?

Is it just me or does the little old asian man/ cell mate look alot like the dude who was in the mountains, "no turn back"

"I will tell him, you saved his life"

And he looks like the asian crime boss in Batman 1989.

That guy should be in the Batman sequals too.

[raybia]

Ever notice that in the solitary cell, when Ducard meets Bruce, theres a line that Bruce says "What makes you think i need a path?" It almost sounds like he's saying "What makes you think i need a bath?"

Oh yea, now that i think about it, how long was bruce locked up?

Is it just me or does the little old asian man/ cell mate look alot like the dude who was in the mountains, "no turn back"

"I will tell him, you saved his life"

And he looks like the asian crime boss in Batman 1989.

That guy should be in the Batman sequals too.

I think we all should have a little old asian man in our lives.

[BatScot]

It would have been a nice touch if after Chill killed Bruce's parents they would have made eye contact and had Chill creep out by the look in Bruce's eyes.:up: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9185545&highlight=eyes#post9185545

[raybia]

:up: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9185545&highlight=eyes#post9185545


Wow BatScot, me likey alot!!!:up: :)

[boywondernerdDC]

:up: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9185545&highlight=eyes#post9185545

i really wanted one of those scenes

[BatScot]

What is the neck of Batman’s cowl made of?

It wasn’t part of the suit Wayne acquired from Fox? Nor was it a component of the graphite shell that Alfred ordered from China.

???

[BatMatt]

Doesn't matter, the film went into detail in all the areas it needed to

[BatScot]

... if every random thought 'mattered', nothing would make any sense :rolleyes:

[raybia]

It matters for me because I'm a Batman fanboy!

[boywondernerdDC]

it was made from the melted down material of those damn AOL discs

[BatScot]

That explains the stiffness ;)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Indeed. The scene is a bit iffy. Anyhoo, he didn't shoot Bruce because he thought he had done enough harm already (after all, he didn't intend to kill the Waynes), and besides, Bruce was just a little kid.

Well, I think it adds to the notion that the murder wasn't planned....it just happened b/c the sob freaked, and popped them both. He saw the kid, and ran. Seemed spontaneous, and more like I imagine an actual "mugging-gone-wrong" would happen....rather than the very psychotic, cold, cool sense we got from Napier before.


It wasn’t part of the suit Wayne acquired from Fox? Nor was it a component of the graphite shell that Alfred ordered from China.


I thought it was, though.

I wonder, just as random thoughts go, if there were any actual leads on Ra's at all? I mean, beyond the ramblings of two men gone mad, Falcone and Crane- who's still at large, there wasn't any evidence of Ra's there to begin with. I actually think the entire debacle.....everything, the train thing especially.....was just blamed on Crane.

[BatScot]

I thought it was...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/Anthropod/00/0410.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/Anthropod/temp/Alfred.jpg

... sans neck.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So....the cowl's not made of graphite?

[raybia]

No, rubber.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

In the movie.....

[raybia]

In the movie.....

Probably the same material as the joints of his arms and legs of the suit.

[Mr.E.Nygma]

Another random thought

First let me tell you that I'm glad I can plug this in this thread because starting a new one for this would be quite pointless.
I was just watching Begins then I jumped to write this the minute I heard and realize the double meaning of those lines :
Thomas : "Every creature has some fears" (a thing like that)
Bruce : "Even the scary ones?"
Thomas : "Especially the scary ones"

It's a crazy but philosophical thought but those lines can refer to the eventual murder of Thomas and Martha Wayne, indicating the fear that drove Joe Chill to pay his bills with crime and kill the Waynes when he panicked about the turning of the situation. Then Bruce was afraid of him because he menaced them. It was surely not intended for this, but I now interpret those lines like this, it's crazy!

[xxshady]

I have a question as well....

whenever its Bruce Waynes party, Brucey (lol) wants Lucius to go into the lab and mass produce the antidote or something, and Lucius says his secruity clearence has been revoked...

Then Mastuh Bruce :) says "That wouldnt stop a man like you know would it" i know it was meant for comical relief but how the hell does he expect Lucius to get into the lab? Go all Sam Fisher on the security gaurd or what?

[Mee]

I have a question as well....

whenever its Bruce Waynes party, Brucey (lol) wants Lucius to go into the lab and mass produce the antidote or something, and Lucius says his secruity clearence has been revoked...

Then Mastuh Bruce :) says "That wouldnt stop a man like you know would it" i know it wasnt meant for comical relief but how the hell does he expect Lucius to get into the lab? Go all Sam Fisher on the security gaurd or what?
Nothing stops Morgan Freeman.

[El Caballero]

Okay, I've seen Batman Begins at least 40-50 times already, but it never dawned over me that when Adult Bruce goes down to the cave for the second time, he's wearing a long coat with a black dress shirt, while carrying a rappelling cord: the same or almost identical clothes that his father wore to rescue Young Bruce at the beginning of the film. Coincidence?

[elorenishii386]

Okay, I've seen Batman Begins at least 40-50 times already, but it never dawned over me that when Adult Bruce goes down to the cave for the second time, he's wearing a long coat with a black dress shirt, while carrying a rappelling cord: the same or almost identical clothes that his father wore to rescue Young Bruce at the beginning of the film. Coincidence?

Holy crap....i never noticed that before?
nice one :eek:

[raybia]

Holy crap....i never noticed that before?
nice one :eek:


God forbid if Bruce is wearing his father hand me downs. What will Mr. Blackwell say?

[xxshady]

Lmao seriously whats the big deal if hes wearing the same/or similar clothes as his father did >___>

All it does is show that Mastuh Brucey has his fathers fashion sense. :)

[Lane Myer]

One thing I noticed when Batman is leaving Arkham and he throws the little bomb into the door, he kind of throws like a girl.

[theoneandonly]

it was very english whihc is good coz im english

the main charachters are all from the british isles (christian bale, liam neeson, michael caine, cillian murphy)

it was filmed in shepperton studios (london) very close to me

all good