Bone claws!?

[D-day]

Ok, I did a search and couldnt believe that no one had posted something like this. Am I the only one who wants to see Logans bone claws in his spin off film?? We all know he can't remeber his past so seeing him with bone claws could be a real possibility! :)

:unishr:

[Weadazoid]

I never liked ...crazzy..feral mutated... sub human... De-Adamantiumiated Wolverine



Besides as Stryker said



You were always an animal Wolverine... I just gave you Claws


Thats the way I liked in the comics.... the whole Wolverine losing is adamantium..sucked IMO

[Spidey 2007]

thats such a good idea. Bone claws definatly have to be in. GOD that would be a sight to see.


it would probably break my spine seeing that on the screen.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

I think it would be quite cool. I've always thought they would be in I thought that was a given. :p

But Stryker did that that thing, so who knows what they'll end up doing.

[Gilpesh]

Besides as Stryker said



You were always an animal Wolverine... I just gave you Claws

Not even Wolverine knew about the bone claws when he popped them out for the 'first' time. And because they have him with the messed up memory in the movie-verse, he still would not know about the bone claws. Also in the comics he never used them during Weapon X so in the movie-verse Stryker would not know either.

[Abaddon]

I thought in the second film Stryker mentioned him being a mutant they found with a healing factor and bone claws?:confused:

[rnewbz]

He has bone claws, because in the first X-men movie, the x-rays of wolverine's body showed his entire adimantium skeleton, the clws were coneected to the rest of the skeleton and Prof. X said that all his bone were laced with adimantium. No mention of claws being artificial.

[cardslinger]

Stryker would know if Wolverine had bone claws. He is the one who gave him the adamantium claws in the movies. I don't think Stryker would say he gave Wolverine claws if Wolverine already had bone claws.

[Boiiinng]

Stryker would know if Wolverine had bone claws. He is the one who gave him the adamantium claws in the movies. I don't think Stryker would say he gave Wolverine claws if Wolverine already had bone claws.

I remember seeing somewhere that the military scientists were surprised when his claws popped out, as if they didn't know they were even there. They were a kind of reaction to the adamantium bonding.

[danoyse]

I would hope they include that scene in the bedroom from Origin, when Logan was a kid and the bone claws popped out for the first time.

[TheVileOne]

I personally always thought it was stupid that Wolverine had bone claws. It makes more sense to me that he got them from Weapon X.

[The_Guyver]

If he doesn't have bone claws, his lone power is his healing factor... I think bone claws are essential.

[TheVileOne]

If he doesn't have bone claws, his lone power is his healing factor... I think bone claws are essential.
Bone claws aren't a super-power.

In addition to his healing factor, he has enhanced senses: which means he has super human hearing and smell.

Looks like I know my Wolverine more than you do.

[Rac]

Yeah, sure. If there is sequence(s) before the adamantium pumping.

[Decay]

Hmmm...as far as I can remember Wolverine had claws before that experiment.
Read Wolverine Origin for more details.

[ComicKoryn]

I think he should have Twizzler claws.

*SNIKT*.....mmmmm....tasty licorice goodness

[Pauluz]

I really hope they go with the Origin story, if the bone claws aren't the same size/shape as the adamantium claws they could mention somewhere during the Weapon X scenes that they are going to grind his claws to a more useable shape.

[Rac]

Hmmm...as far as I can remember Wolverine had claws before that experiment.
Read Wolverine Origin for more details.
Was that for me? I know Wolverine has always had the claws. Read my post. So I don't really understand your response.

[WalkingDead]

First Off...
Movieverse Wolverine's claws don't really allow for bone to be inside of them, unless they are extremely thin...which is pretty pointless.

Secondly...
Stryker gave him the claws. And in the X2 novel, if I remember correctly...the scene where Stryker says "nature" and Logan's claws retract is because "nature" was a pre-programmed safety word to force Wolverine's claws back into him. The movie edited it so that scene was out/different, but whatever. My point is Stryker would have known about the claws and everything else, since he gave him those claws on purpose.


I don't see a reason to put bone claws in the Wolvie film. Unless he has them and they are ripped out, but then that's just stupidly-pointless.

[D-day]

I really dont see why they couldnt be in the film. We could see Logan as a youngster living in the forest and hunting with his bone claws. Later in life Stryker could see Wolverine with his bone claws and realise that they are far too fragile to be used as an effective weapon. We could then see an X-23 like scene where his bone claws are surgically removed and replaced with the Adamantium ones!


:unishr:

[squeekness]

It would be really hard for them to do bone claws. If you look at the metal blades that were used in all three movies, they are too thin going up to the hand to have any kind of bone shards as their base. To do the bone claws, they would have to go through a whole big redesign and have to come up with some kind of explanation for why the thin blades were used previously. :)

[D-day]

^ Didnt I just come up with a way of explaining that?

:unishr:

[squeekness]

Ah, sorry. I must have glossed over the previous posts a bit fast. ;)

[tirminyl]

I personally always thought it was stupid that Wolverine had bone claws. It makes more sense to me that he got them from Weapon X.

I agree, stupid recons.

[squeekness]

^ Didnt I just come up with a way of explaining that?

:unishr:Actually, though, upon further refelction, with Logan's regenerative capabilities, I'm not convinced his claws wouldn't grow back given enough time. I'm don't think their removal surgically is going to be a good enough excuse. :)

[Aquaman]

Bone claws aren't a super-power.

In addition to his healing factor, he has enhanced senses: which means he has super human hearing and smell.

Looks like I know my Wolverine more than you do.

Its not so much a super power as it is a mutation. Bone claws go completely hand in hand with the other animal like mutations (heightened senses). His mutation has made him more animal like...the claws included.

I don't really see much reason to give him bone claws. And having scenes that are taken from Origin gives the movie a huge timeline. I'd rather they just never get into whether or not his claws are bones, or if the Weapon X program litterally gave them to him.

In the movies his claws did always seem way too thin to be bones beforehand.

An X-Ray would have shown if he had claws in the first place. I don't think the Weapon X program would start pumping a guy full of metal before knowing as much as they could about his anatomy. They would have known he had claws or he didn't have claws. Stryker could have easily been using a metaphor when he said he gave wolverine claws, at least thats how I always interpreted it.

[Decay]

Was that for me? I know Wolverine has always had the claws. Read my post. So I don't really understand your response.
No! It wasn't fo you!

[Rac]

No! It wasn't fo you! Ah, okay!

[Dr.Dude]

I think they should just maaaybe hint at the bone claws, at most.

If he only pops his claws for the first time right after he's put through the Weapon X operation, they can carefully build up to that first claw-pop and make the impact of the scene all the greater.

[Boiiinng]

I can't believe people are talking about the size of the claws being a problem in a fantasy movie. Get over it. He can still have bone because the movie can say "he has bone" and that's all the reasoning you'll get.

[Decay]

Ah, okay!
Sorry if I made u feel bad:)!

[OptimusPrimeRib]

Actually, though, upon further refelction, with Logan's regenerative capabilities, I'm not convinced his claws wouldn't grow back given enough time. I'm don't think their removal surgically is going to be a good enough excuse. :)

That's what I was thinking. Filing them to a different shape or removing them would be pointless for movie Wolverine, they would just regenerate.

[Rac]

Sorry if I made u feel bad:)!
No, no. I was just confused.

Yeah, the bone claws don't need to be same fit as the adamantium. I think they need to be rough and different looking from each other.

[Thirteen Shadows]

Actually, though, upon further refelction, with Logan's regenerative capabilities, I'm not convinced his claws wouldn't grow back given enough time. I'm don't think their removal surgically is going to be a good enough excuse. :)

Stryker could've shaven them down to a more knife like shape.

[TheVileOne]

Stryker could've shaven them down to a more knife like shape.

Umm no. I mean good God. His healing factor would take care of them being shaved down. That explanation doesn't work at all.

[D-day]

That's what I was thinking. Filing them to a different shape or removing them would be pointless for movie Wolverine, they would just regenerate.

How would they regenerate if theythey were encased in adamantium? the metal would stop thier growth. It worked with X-23's claws.

:unishr:

[OptimusPrimeRib]

I'm not all that familiar with the X-23 storyline, but movie Wolverine regenerates so fast I doubt they would have time to apply the adimantium before the bone grew back. He was regenerating faster than Jean could demolecularize him.

[Mrh7448]

I don't, nor have I ever, liked the idea of the bone claws. It never made much sense to me especially with the way wolverine's claws are in the forearm coming through his knuckles. If he's supposed to be beast like they should be at the tips of his fingers. Also with the length of his claws they would break all the time as bone is not so strong. Granted it would heal but it would still hurt.

I hated the Origin comics, I didn't like the mystique it took away from the Wolvie character. Plus it was kind of pointless since it was like Wolverine was discovering this history it was just presented as a story.

I don't think movie wolverine should have bone claws, they're the wrong shape, they should just have been implants that were given to him. Since he has the healing factor over time it would just become a natural part of his body.

[ICXCNIKA]

If he doesn't have bone claws, his lone power is his healing factor... I think bone claws are essential.

EXACTLY!!!:up:

[chaseter]

No bone claws. They could easily explain that adamantium knives were placed in his hands to portude at will as his weapons. If they said that Wolverine had bone claws...then Deathsrike would have to have them as well and having bone grow out of your fingernails is dumb. For the movieverse...no bone claws.

[Warhammer]

I hate the idea of Bone claws.
I never liked them.

[Decay]

In fact it doesn't really matter if they are made of metal or bone...they still look awesome when they come out of Logan's fists.

[neosonic]

In x-men 3 Didn't beast say something like"I have been fighting for mutant rights before you had claws"

I hate the bone claws,Its even too far fetched in a movie of a guy with metal claws.enough said

[Boiiinng]

Well, personally, I've always thought since Origin that the bone claws and the healing factor were one in the same. Without the healing factor the holes the claws make would never heal and he would bleed to death. Without the claws, he wouldn't have gained a healing factor because the reason he was a sickly child is that his immune system was attacking the claws growing in his arms and when they are fully grown and pop out, the healing factor takes over instead of him having an immune-disease because the claws are no longer growing and the body reacts to these permanent items in his body rather than considering them some type of infection, like teething.

[jim_root_rules]

i dnt think the clawsare the wrong shape at all, its not like there super thin they could easily have the bone claws with the same shape and everything

[The_Guyver]

Gotta have bone claws, they are unique to his character. He's not the only mutant with a healing factor, so others could just as easily have claws given to them, I think it works better if it's a part of his mutation.

[Megatallica]

bone claws make more sense then them just appearing, i mean who the hell can construct all the muscle and tissue for retractable claws, thats just playing god... and i recon the people that dont like the whole wolverine bone claws thing is cause they were introduced so recently, i mean i was 8 when they were brought up....
I really like how wolverines story is still being made as they go along, but thats my opinion.

[Juggertha]

I really don't see the need for them in this movie. There should be enough to cover without getting into the "bone issue".

[Jager X]

if the medical industry can take a particular muscle from one's leg a place it in his or her arm to replace severely damaged musle tissue (i.e. the biceps) then seperating the radius and the ulna to fit in 1 inch wide claws isn't very far-fetched.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

bone claws make more sense then them just appearing, i mean who the hell can construct all the muscle and tissue for retractable claws, thats just playing god... and i recon the people that dont like the whole wolverine bone claws thing is cause they were introduced so recently, i mean i was 8 when they were brought up....
I really like how wolverines story is still being made as they go along, but thats my opinion.
Exactly.

[The_Guyver]

Bone Claws Dammit!!

[Doomed Hero Rising]

It depends how far we're going back if we are focused on weapon X then no bone claws. If we go as far back as origin then I'd say yes. The bone claws wouldn't have to be as sharp and as lone. I'd say maybe show them as the size of a middle finger.

[MrSelfDestruct]

They don't necessarily need to be bone claws. Look at cat claws. They're not made of bone, and they can support a cat's bodyweight. They'd also be thin enough to cover with adamantium. Also, to whoever said that Wolverine couldn't have had claws before the WX experiments because he acted surprised when they popped out for the first time: He had no memory of his life prior to the experiment.

[kaijunexus]

Bone Claws would be great to see if his adamantium claws are ripped out and his bone ones heal back up. Then, of course, they'd have to think up some way of getting them coated in adamantium again, but I doubt it'd be a big problem.

[z21]

The thing is, if you stay in continuity with x1, x2 and x3, then logan shouldn't have "bone claws". Reasons: 1)Stryker says i gave you claws 2)Logan's admantium claws in the three movies are very narrow and thing (sort of like a knife) so itmakes it imporbable that there is bone under the metal

[jim_root_rules]

sum ppl are acting liek there as thin as paper, the size and shape of them if not a problem at all, they can easily have bone under them

[Decay]

In x-men 3 Didn't beast say something like"I have been fighting for mutant rights before you had claws"

I hate the bone claws,Its even too far fetched in a movie of a guy with metal claws.enough said
Hmm...yeah...maybe the history of the movie character is different from the comic books one, and so Wolverine got his claws after that experiment.

[jim_root_rules]

he sed tht as a joke to imply he had more experience than wolverine, beast dosent know wolverine is like 100 or anything about wolverine other than wot he herd from prof x

[Decay]

I know it was a joke but remember some scenes from X2 where we get to see more from Logan's past, and I believe that he is sure that the claws were the result of that experiment.

[jim_root_rules]

as far as he knows thts tru, but all he really remebers is getting off tht weapon x table his claws poppin out and him killin ever1, dosent mean thts wer he first began life :D

[neosonic]

thats right he was screaming looking at the claws.

he was in shock.

[MrSelfDestruct]

thats right he was screaming looking at the claws.

he was in shock.


That's because of the memory blocks.

[Boiiinng]

That's because of the memory blocks.

High five.

[cardslinger]

That still doesn't explain why Stryker said that he gave Wolverine claws. He wouldn't say that if Wolverine already had claws. Stryker even sais "The one thing I know better than anyone is my own work."
He would know if Wolverine already had claws.

[jim_root_rules]

he was probly actin liek he "made" wolverine, thts wot it could be put dwn to, a metaphor. and if it means havin bone claws i can ignore tht line

[Decay]

That still doesn't explain why Stryker said that he gave Wolverine claws. He wouldn't say that if Wolverine already had claws. Stryker even sais "The one thing I know better than anyone is my own work."
He would know if Wolverine already had claws.
Hmmm...that a good reason to think about the fact that Logan has a different history in the movies...

[sag002]

ya, i didnt like it that he had "natural" bone claws as part of his mutation. reeel stoopid.

[chaseter]

Bone claws are dumb...

[Decay]

No...they are not dumb, but it would be a strange mutation whatsoever.

[ang_hulk]

movie wolverine does not have bone claws,It was decided to keep them out since it was more realistic this way and brian didnt like the bone claw idea.if you look at his xray again you will see those are hoses that hold the claws when not extended,stryker ment it literally,also,look at the mini prop,you will see his claws not attached to his skeleton but inside those hoses.I think it was a good idea anyways.

[sag002]

keep the metal. bone claws suck

[vindrow]

Hopefully, they don't give him the bone claws in the film...to me that was the dumbest thing marvel did when Mags stripped him of his adamantium, It just seemed like they gave him the bone claws because they thought that he wasn't wolvie without claws.

[Fanticon]

sure why not....if they explain that they gave him metal claws because they noticed there was a particular area where it looked like he used to have bone claws that could retract but he must have shedded years ago...then it'd make sense...its the most realistic way to explain it...either that or just don't give him any.

[Boiiinng]

movie wolverine does not have bone claws,It was decided to keep them out since it was more realistic this way and brian didnt like the bone claw idea.if you look at his xray again you will see those are hoses that hold the claws when not extended,stryker ment it literally,also,look at the mini prop,you will see his claws not attached to his skeleton but inside those hoses.I think it was a good idea anyways.

More reasons to hate Bryan's "I wanted to keep it realistic" attitude. I'm glad he's gone.

[Iron Man™]

I like both really, but I wouldn't mind seeing the bone ones.

[YJ1]

Besides as Stryker said

You were always an animal Wolverine... I just gave you Claws

Thats the way I liked in the comics.... the whole Wolverine losing is adamantium..sucked IMO


keep the metal. bone claws suck

Bone claws are dumb...

AMEN!

Bones claws are just an absolute abomination that I choose to completely ignore. People that want to see bone claws probably want to see a Ben Reilly clone in Spider-Man 3 and want the Iron Man movie to be based on the teenage Tony Stark Crossroads crap.

Bone claws never made any sense and curse the writer who thought of that stupidity.

[WildCard]

Dude look at this pic

http://images.movieeye.com/store/images/x-men2-wolverine-poster.jpg

Bones could fit in that whether u like it or not

[jim_root_rules]

Thank You!!!

[Asteroid-Man]

Ok there YJ1, but bone claws are apart of wolverine. They are who he is, more then the adamantium. He has always had the bone claws, he was given metal to coat it later. So if your gonna just ignore the entire back story of Wolverine, I guesse your not a fan of him, then I begin to wonder why you are even in the Wolverine Movie Section of this forum :mad: Honestly man, the bones are moreapart of him then the metal. He is the bone, the metal is a gift ;)

[hutch007]

i like the idea of bone claws. its part of his mutation. i like the idea of him at least having a few scenes with them. its good homage to the comics.

[ISHMAEL]

I thought in the second film Stryker mentioned him being a mutant they found with a healing factor and bone claws?:confused:

i think he did :confused:

[xwolverine2]

i think people are taking the line "i just gave you claws" a bit too literally.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

^Exactly.^

[xwolverine2]

^Exactly.^
dam right...



and its not like the bone claws are in the WHOLE movie... just the first like what 30min?

[ISHMAEL]

i think people are taking the line "i just gave you claws" a bit too literally.

i think strkyer meant by claws as just the adamantuim

[Infinity9999x]

I really think it makes sense to have the Bone Claws....just because it seems pretty unlikely that Wolverine would be able to get claws as a side effect of the bonding process, and he just happens to be able to retract them?

I mean if the claws were a side effect of the process, how would Wolverine be able to retract them into his hands? He heals fast yeah, but his hands don't create whole new muscles.

[Marvel Man]

I say have them just to show non-comic fans that he had them before his experiment in Weapon X.

[X-Maniac]

Bone claws that were part of his skeleton would explain why the adamantium formed itself into claws. Otherwise, why would it turn itself into claws inside his arms unless it was following a physical form (existing bone claws) or (if the claws had been crushed) a genetic template for claws within the DNA of his bones....

It makes sense.

[Fanticon]

i think strkyer meant by claws as just the adamantuim

I think since we know Bryan Singer was against the bone claws idea, that he was setting the record straight to the general audience that claws are not part of his mutant power...as if we needed it explained anymore.

[RockSP]

I personally always thought it was stupid that Wolverine had bone claws. It makes more sense to me that he got them from Weapon X.

I agree.

If he doesn't have bone claws, his lone power is his healing factor... I think bone claws are essential.

Well, before they decided he had bone claws he was still the same character most comics fans love...

[TheVileOne]

I wonder if some of the idiots on here are going to start telling me that LADY DEATHSTRYKE'S claws are bone as well.

Bone claws = dumb brain fart.

I was happy at first, because I was hoping the movies did away with the bone claws crap.

Also, by the shape the claws are in the movie, they CAN'T be bone. Unless they give Wolverine thin flat sided bone claws, which they weren't in the comics.

Freaking comic writers and their bone claws.

[jim_root_rules]

they CAN be bone, the pic above blatenly shows they CAN be done accept it, and the claws are already different from the comics so why wuld differnt bone claws make a difference

[TheVileOne]

they CAN be bone, the pic above blatenly shows they CAN be done accept it, and the claws are already different from the comics so why wuld differnt bone claws make a difference
Because the claws aren't that shape in the movie.

[Sentinel X]

I wonder if some of the idiots on here are going to start telling me that LADY DEATHSTRYKE'S claws are bone as well.

Bone claws = dumb brain fart.

I was happy at first, because I was hoping the movies did away with the bone claws crap.

Also, by the shape the claws are in the movie, they CAN'T be bone. Unless they give Wolverine thin flat sided bone claws, which they weren't in the comics.

Freaking comic writers and their bone claws.I love bone claws and it possible and makes sense. Maybe when Stryker got them he adjusted the bone claws :confused:...and made them thinner like we see in the movies...then coated it with ademantium

[jim_root_rules]

Because the claws aren't that shape in the movie.

they are tho, there not puuuuuuuuuure thin like some ppl seem to think

[TheVileOne]

I love bone claws and it possible and makes sense. Maybe when Stryker got them he adjusted the bone claws :confused:...and made them thinner like we see in the movies...then coated it with ademantium

This is a dumb excuse and I've already debunked it. Since wolverine has a healing factor, Stryker can NOT ****ing change the shape of his bone claws!

Good freaking God.

[Fanticon]

This is a dumb excuse and I've already debunked it. Since wolverine has a healing factor, Stryker can NOT ****ing change the shape of his bone claws!

Good freaking God.

the know it all has spoken and is forever close minded...I think sometimes I enjoy hearing you debunk other peoples ideas and opinions but most of the time you just come across as well...you know what you are its okay to be like that on these boards...we're all faceless, but there is never any reason to be like that...bone claws can work, maybe not like that, but if they try they will write and change anything they want and being a jerk is not going to change what the filmmakers will eventually decide on. Whatever makes you happy.

[chaseter]

This is a dumb excuse and I've already debunked it. Since wolverine has a healing factor, Stryker can NOT ****ing change the shape of his bone claws!

Good freaking God.
100% AGREED:up: Stryker cannot change the physical aspects of his claws because they would heal the second Stryker started grinding on them. And I can guarantee all of you bone lovers in here that Fox will not give Wolverine knife shaped bone claws in the movie. That resembles his adamntium claws way to closely...The Latino review also contradicts itself. Sabretooth cannot break off Logan's bone claws permanently because they would immediately grow back...

[KillerBob]

Some of you really need to check up on your comic facts.

All of you who complain that the bone claws are stupid because they are too fragile to be used as weapons are flat out wrong. Yes the claws have been broken, but in Wolverine's bio that Marvel used to insert on the first page of the comics it clearly states that Wolverine's claws are made of "super dense bone" which means that they are much, much stronger than normal human bones. The bones are super dense because Wolverine's healing factor makes his bones much stronger than a normal person, the same way it makes him much faster and stronger than humans.

If any of you read a Wolverine bio you would know that Marvel has stated that Wolverine's bone claws are naturally sharp and durable enough to cut through most natural substances, including rocks, trees, and most kinds of metal like solid steel.

Now for those of you in the "Stryker can't alter the shape of Wolverine's bones" Camp, you are wrong too. Every time Wolverine's bone claws were shattered or broken in the comics it would take several (days to weeks) issues for the claws to regrow to their natural length. In staying consistant with the comics then, it would be completely resonable for Stryker to shave down the claws to the Adamantium shape.

Movie Wolverine does not heal as fast as Comic Wolverine, therefor Stryker should have more than enough time to prepare the claws for the bonding process.

[TheVileOne]

That's when the claws are snapped, off. You are talking about wittling them down to thin them.

Which Stryker wouldn't even fricking do. This is just grasping at straws.

And second, since he has a healing factor they couldn't stay that way permanently.

I can't believe we are actually arguing about this but we are.

[jim_root_rules]

the shape dosent matter they can easily stil work

[Jager X]

so his bones can regenerate obviously, right? so if one was to file his bone claws down and coat them in adamantium, wouldn't the bones try to break through the adamantium to regain their original size?

also, with the technology presented in weapon x could easily implant metal claws into wolverine. if they have the technology to coat his body in adamantium without taking away his flexibility or damaging his nerves then anything is possible. besides the guy is usually drawn with big ass forearms so them seperating the ulna and radius to implant claws could explain that.

oh! i forgot, in the first movie they had an x-ray of wolverine i could have sworn that the claws were housed in shafts or trays.if anyone can pull up a picture of it then i can be clear.

[Sentinel X]

This is a dumb excuse and I've already debunked it. Since wolverine has a healing factor, Stryker can NOT ****ing change the shape of his bone claws!

Good freaking God.:confused:...okayyy. In X2 we saw how fast ademantium can cool down...it literally turned deathstrike into metal within seconds. Second, Bone takes a much longer time to heal than flesh. Ever broken an arm or a leg???...Its not going to heal as fast as it would if you get a cut. It can takes months before bone can properly heal for normal humans, a mutant such as wolverine with an advance healing factor, it may take hours or days. That would be just enough time for the ademantium to cool down.


So no its still not a dumb excuse

[KillerBob]

That's when the claws are snapped, off. You are talking about wittling them down to thin them.What's your point? Getting the claws snapped off and getting them filed down to a different shape is both damage to the claws. If it takes Wolverine weeks to regrow snapped off claws Stryker can file down his claws and bond adamantium to them before they resume their original shape. It's not like it would take the entire Weapon X project a month just to file Wolverine's claws. Hell they could get them filed down 5 minutes before Wolverine goes into the big tank. No way his claws grow back pristine perfect in 5 minutes when the more powerful healing factor of Comic Wolverine takes weeks to regrow damaged claws. Not going to happen.
And second, since he has a healing factor they couldn't stay that way permanently.So what, his bone claws are going to grow out of an adamantium shell? Do you know what indestructible means?
so his bones can regenerate obviously, right? so if one was to file his bone claws down and coat them in adamantium, wouldn't the bones try to break through the adamantium to regain their original size?Wolverine's bone claws couldn't regenerate to their original shape and bust out of the adamantium coating. It's impossible because adamantium can't be altered in any way after it cools. Even Thor's hardest hammer shot can only barely dent even the thinest of adamantium. Wolverine's regenerating inch of extra bone claw is not capable of doing anything like that. The bone claws would remain locked in their indestructible coating forever.

[chaseter]

^Even if it took weeks for Wolverine's bone claws to grow back after Stryker filed them down...after the adamantium was bonded, the bone claws would still grow back to their normal size inside the adamantium casing due to his regenerative powers. True the indestructible casing cannot be harmed, but the growing bones have to go somewhere...probably deform his body and have the claws protruding elsewhere. In other words, bone claws are dumb and out of Wolverine's character in the movie world.

[Sentinel X]

The bone claws will not protrude elsewhere :rolleyes:

[chaseter]

The bone claws will not protrude elsewhere :rolleyes:
Two different masses cannot occupy the same space at the same time. The bone claws will grow back...PERIOD. That is Wolverine's powers, regeneration. Adamantium will not stop Wolverine's natural powers from occurring. He would be in constantly immense pain at the feeling of his bone claws trying to grow inside the adamantium shell. After a while, the regenerating have to grow somewhere if they cannot break through the adamantium laced around them.

[Sentinel X]

If anything theyd increase in density but it wouldn't grow anywhere else. You're right, two things cant occupy a space at once but that doesnt mean the bone cant just condense.

Also, lets just say that its density wouldnt increase and it would some how protrude into other areas Weapon X could easily fix that. There are plenty of bone disease, bone overgrowth and others. Weapon X can just increase the amount of osteoclast around the bone claws.


So still bone claws isn't a dumb excuse

[chaseter]

If anything theyd increase in density but it wouldn't grow anywhere else. You're right, two things cant occupy a space at once but that doesnt mean the bone cant just condense.

Also, lets just say that its density wouldnt increase and it would some how protrude into other areas Weapon X could easily fix that. There are plenty of bone disease, bone overgrowth and others. Weapon X can just increase the amount of osteoclast around the bone claws.


So still bone claws isn't a dumb excuse
Wolverine's bone claws in the comics were already highly dense and could cut through tough objects such as wood, trees, and some metals. They are already dense enough...therefore it is illogical to think that his bones would increase their density. That is not what bones do. The age old practice of Chinese women binding their feet is a good example, which caused their feet to be small yet caused deformities and immense pain in the practitioner. Secondly, Wolverine's mutation also allows him to fight off diseases and other foreign antibodies due to his high level of cellular regrowth. That is why in X2 the sleeping darts didn't put him to sleep which would in turn invalidate the idea of introducing chemicals that would alter the shape of his physicality such as "osteoclast" as you have mentioned. His body would simply reject the bone thinning chemicals.

[Sentinel X]

Wolverine's bone claws in the comics were already highly dense and could cut through tough objects such as wood, trees, and some metals. They are already dense enough...therefore it is illogical to think that his bones would increase their density. That is not what bones do. The age old practice of Chinese women binding their feet is a good example, which caused their feet to be small yet caused deformities and immense pain in the practitioner. Secondly, Wolverine's mutation also allows him to fight off diseases and other foreign antibodies due to his high level of cellular regrowth. That is why in X2 the sleeping darts didn't put him to sleep which would in turn invalidate the idea of introducing chemicals that would alter the shape of his physicality such as "osteoclast" as you have mentioned. His body would simply reject the bone thinning chemicals.Well its a comic book...theyll show his bones are strongs when in reality they aren't. The movies arent going to be 100% like the comic books anyways...I dont think theyll show him cutting through trees or anything with the bone claws...so his bones can still increase in density.
It caused deformities and pain..sure okay. Of course theres going to be deformities due to the expirement but the bones aren't going to just start growing elsewhere or anything.Im pretty sure Logan has lots of problems going on, after all his bones are all covered in metal but actually but I dont buy it actually protruding...second, what makes you think that there is an opening in wolverine's ademantium coated bone claws that would allow protruding to occur in the first place? :confused: ...have you ever thought that maybe the entire bone is covered in ademantium like the rest of his bones?

[x-fan]

suspense of reality, it works in the comics it'll work in the movie. good grief this is why i dislike singers vision of the x-men universe. there are no people shooting laser out of there eyes in real life, but lets make it ground in reality. this means something different to me. like handle it seriously and dont dumb it down. if we can believe a girl can absorb another persons life force then bone claws that are coated in adamanium isn't so hard to believe either. it is a movie based on a comic. wow the reality issue is killing this fantasy experience i like to call a movie. if i want total reality, i'll watch the friggin news

later

[TheVileOne]

I still don't think it works in the comics. And things working in the comics has NOT stopped movies from changing tons of aspects. LIKE colorful spandex costumes.

I'm not buying that FILING THE CLAWS would take weeks to grow back either.

I'm also not buying that they would even file the claws at all.

And if they don't file the claws in the movie, then I am going to not let the people who suggested such a thing hear the end of it.

[chaseter]

suspense of reality, it works in the comics it'll work in the movie. good grief this is why i dislike singers vision of the x-men universe. there are no people shooting laser out of there eyes in real life, but lets make it ground in reality. this means something different to me. like handle it seriously and dont dumb it down. if we can believe a girl can absorb another persons life force then bone claws that are coated in adamanium isn't so hard to believe either. it is a movie based on a comic. wow the reality issue is killing this fantasy experience i like to call a movie. if i want total reality, i'll watch the friggin news

later
If we had a movie 100% faithful to the comic books, it would be so ridiculous to today's audiences that only 40 year old fanboys would go see it. Singer is the one who introduced the X-Men to us and did a great job IMO. Suspending reality has nothing to do with suspending the reality created by the comic books. They have already established these characters and are now set in their own reality in the movieverse. To say that Stryker can file down the claws and that they would not grow back immediately directly contradicts what the movie has established in its reality of Wolverine. That is called a loop hole.

[Boiiinng]

That is called a loop hole.

"Plot" hole. :)

[Sentinel X]

To say that Stryker can file down the claws and that they would not grow back immediately directly contradicts what the movie has established in its reality of Wolverine. That is called a loop hole.Ermm no it doesnt :confused:...The movies never showed Wolvie heal his bones cause they were already covered in ademantium...so how does it contradict anything? :o Secondly, its a scientific fact that bone heals longer than flesh. So if we try to keep this to reality it would take hours or perhaps days for Wolvie's bones to heal if they were broken, or filed down, ect.

[KillerBob]

I can't believe that anyone is trying to argue that Wolverine's organic bone material could somehow break out of it's adamantium coating. That is utterly rediculous. It's impossible for this to happen. It's also not as if the adamantium is just laying on top of the organic bone. It is BONDED on a MOLECULEAR level. This means that the un-alterable molecules of the adamantium overlap and mix with the organic bone molecules. The bones can't grow because the adamantium molecules dictate what the bone molecules can do and since the adamantium molecules can't be changed or altered in any way shape or form, the bone molecules aren't doing anything. That means no bone deformations, no bone spurs, no nothing. The organic skeleton is locked in an unbreakable shape.

For Wolverine's healing factor to somehow break out of the adamantium casing the healing factor would have to be able to exert enough force with the bone tissue to cause more than several hundred tons of pressure to a scientifically incalcuable level. If theis did happen Wolverine wouldsn't even be able to move, His organic bones would become so rediculously heavy he'd have to be 10 times stronger than base-line Savage Hulk. The healing factor also isn't going to do anything to interupt Wolverine's health. After all, it is an immune system, just super charged and on crack. IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

And for the record filing the claws is a fantastic idea. Why? Because in the comics the claws were filed to such a fine point that they can cut through anything. It's one of the main basic features of the claws. Not filing them is just plain stupid. Why give him metal claws if they can't cut through anything more than what he could already cut with the bone claws? Not filing the claws would be a huge waste of very expensive adamantium.

Claws were filed/honed to a super-fine edge in the comic, therefor it makes sense that they get filed for the movie.

Those of you against this idea have yet to come up with a valid reason why it doesn't make sense, or couldn't be done.

[chaseter]

^The adamantium in the movies were not done at a cellular level. The extremely hot molten adamantium was merely overlayed onto his skeleton with a needle that we saw in X2. Also, a lot of the things that work so well in the comics doesn't mean they would go over as great in the movieverse. That is why our X-Men aren't running around in yellow spandex with colorful masks. Rogue isn't flying around and throwing 18 wheelers at the bad guys, Wolverine isn't 5 foot nothing, the Shi'ar aren't trying to take over the world, and Magneto doesn't have a floating asteroid he calls home. Bone claws fit into that category. They have already explained Wolverine's powers as regeneration in X1 and X2. In X2 we learned that because of his adaptation, Stryker was able to give him an adamantium skeleton and claws. That is right...two instances of people mentioning when Wolverine "got" claws. In X2 Stryker told Wolverine he gave him claws and in X3 Beast mentioned that he had been fighting for mutant rights before Wolverine had claws. Well, if you bone claw enthusiast's theories hold true, Wolverine would have had claws when he was born so long ago...years before Stryker and Beast existed. Bone claws are also too similar to his current claws and the film makers will not try to confuse the casual movie go-er by introducing a first set of bone claws that were filed down so that they could cut through rock and metal....yea right...bones cannot cut through metal or we would be seeing Ron Poppeil selling bone knives on late night television. Even if Wolverine's original skeletal structure was so dense...then why did he need help from adamantium...after all....he can heal.

[Sentinel X]

1. We dont know the molecular formula for ademantium but we do know that it had permanetly binded to Wolvies bones.
2. When stryker said he gave him claws there are multiple things that can be implied from that statement. Beast has nothing to do with Stryker or Wolvies orgin...he was figuritivly speaking, it was away to show that he had been in the government for a long time.
3.No one ever said bones cut through rock or metal...that was the reason of the Weapon X program...to make Wolvie a weapon. Just cause he cuts through rock in the comics with them doesnt mean hell do it here...as you said not everything from comics translate to the silver screen.
4.I implied that his bones would gain density within the ademantium covering rather than protrude. He doesnt need help anyhow...he is an experiment, it was a test.

[chaseter]

Read KillerBob's response above mine. He said that Wolvie's bone claws were filed so finely that they could cut through rocks and some metals. Someone else had said the same thing in the last page or so. And I can almost guarantee you that Beast had knowledge of the Weapon X program.

[Sentinel X]

Oh I see...I think he has it wrong...I dont think the claws will be filled with ademantium I think theyll be coated with it

[chaseter]

Oh I see...I think he has it wrong...I dont think the claws will be filled with ademantium I think theyll be coated with it
Not filled...filed as in scraping them down to a fine point like a knife.

[Infinity9999x]

I wonder if some of the idiots on here are going to start telling me that LADY DEATHSTRYKE'S claws are bone as well.

Bone claws = dumb brain fart.

I was happy at first, because I was hoping the movies did away with the bone claws crap.

Also, by the shape the claws are in the movie, they CAN'T be bone. Unless they give Wolverine thin flat sided bone claws, which they weren't in the comics.

Freaking comic writers and their bone claws.

Tell me this, how can bone claws be stupid?

So weapon X gives him Claws, I could see that, but the biggest problem is how could he use them? Did weapon X give him extra muscles so he could extend the claws out of his hand? Because that seems a lot more stupid to me then having bone claws to begin with. Bone claws make sense, because otherwise, he never would be able to extend or sheathe his claws.

[chaseter]

^You raise an interesting and unseen point.

[Infinity9999x]

^You raise an interesting and unseen point.

Thank you.

See, by the time I got into Wolverine, it had already been revealed that he had bone claws, so I never knew people hated them so much. But like I said before, it always struck me as odd that for a while it was believed he just got claws...I mean you could put claws in my forearms too, but I still wouldn't be able to use them unless I grew muscles that allowed me to retract and extract them.

[Sentinel X]

Bone Claws make so much sense..I dont know why people think they dont.

Not filled...filed as in scraping them down to a fine point like a knife.
Whoops I miss read that bit

[KillerBob]

The adamantium in the movies were not done at a cellular level. The extremely hot molten adamantium was merely overlayed onto his skeleton with a needle that we saw in X2.
1) You dont know how the adamantium was put in his skeleton, so stop making assumptions.
2) Shoving a needle in his bones would be really stupid. It wouldn't coat them in unbreakable metal, it would fill the bone marrow with adamantium, which I'm sure would not be a good idea.
3) You can't just cover someone's bones with adamantium because it would interfere with the organic processes that the bones have to fulfill. If his bones were covered in molten adamantium Wolverine would eventually die, or live the rest of his life in a state of near death.
4) Big tank in comics? check. Big tank in movies? check. I'd assume the rest of the bonding process is fairly close to the original. Especially since Cornelius and Hines are going to be there.
Also, a lot of the things that work so well in the comics doesn't mean they would go over as great in the movieverse. That is why the Shi'ar aren't trying to take over the world. Bone claws fit into that category.BS. Dont try to compare the Shiar race and asteroid bases to Bone Claws. The two aren't even remotely similar. Bone Claws are a hell of a lot more believable. And they make more sense.
In X2 Stryker told Wolverine he gave him claws and in X3 Beast mentioned that he had been fighting for mutant rights before Wolverine had claws. Stryker could have merely been referring to the fact that he fixed/replaced the broken Bone Claws with a better weapon, therefor he "gave Wolverine his claws."

And Beast obviously doesn't know dick about Wolverine or he wouldn't have called him "Boy." Beast, like everyone else in the original Marvel Universe naturally assumed the claws were artificial because they knew his skeleton was adamantium (from the Weapon X reports) and the claws were metal too. Beast knowing about Weapon X doesn't prove anything.
yea right...bones cannot cut through metal or we would be seeing Ron Poppeil selling bone knives on late night television. Even if Wolverine's original skeletal structure was so dense...then why did he need help from adamantium...after all....he can heal.Dont try to argue that his bone are super dense. They were and it can be proved. That is why the claws could cut through metal. If a guy can throw his pointed bones into a tree and through Wolverine's shoulder in X3 no one will care that Wolverine's claws can cut stuff.

You need adamantium because bones take longer to heal than other injuries. Without worrying about the damaged bones the healing factor can stop blood loss, organ damage and other injuries. It also means you can't have your head or limbs cut off, which is useful.

Deadpool has a heling factor, but he had to be put on a rack once to fix his shattered skeleton. The bones wouldn't have healed right if he hadn't. Kid Flash had to have his knee rebroken in the teen titans because his enhanced healing kept trying to heal the bones while they were in a position that would keep him from using his leg correctly. So even with a healing factor it helps to have an unbreakable skeleton. And now you see why.

[KillerBob]

Tell me this, how can bone claws be stupid?

So weapon X gives him Claws, I could see that, but the biggest problem is how could he use them? Did weapon X give him extra muscles so he could extend the claws out of his hand? Because that seems a lot more stupid to me then having bone claws to begin with. Bone claws make sense, because otherwise, he never would be able to extend or sheathe his claws.Excellent point. To allow Wolverine to extend and retract the claws he would need a giant switchblade mechanism implanted into his arm. Considering Movie Wolverine does not have enhanced strength like Comic Wolverine he would not be able to move his arms very fast at all with a 25 lbs "pop-box" in each forearm.

The "pop-box" would also restrict arm movement as it would have to be bolted down to his arm bones.

The "pop-box" would also have to be made of adamantium, or it would get damaged and leave Wolverine's weapons completely useless for the rest of his life. This is a huge waste of a very expensive metal. A more logical choice would be to just give him an adamantium sword or knife.

[Sentinel X]

Although I agree with most of the things you say since Im for bone claws..I must admit that there are NO assumptions...his bones are coated in ademantium. Remember in X2, were Wolvie was shot in the head...think about it, if it wasnt coated in ademantium he'd be having serious health issues. And you are taking the bone claw thing too literal, everyone knows it cant be done...in fact a lot of people are taking bone claws to seriously....I just want to remind a few this is still a comic book film...Not everything has to be proven because really none of this can actually happen. If his bones were coated in ademantium hed probably have problems moving and have serious blood deficiency but its all fiction so anything can be done.

[Infinity9999x]

Excellent point. To allow Wolverine to extend and retract the claws he would need a giant switchblade mechanism implanted into his arm. Considering Movie Wolverine does not have enhanced strength like Comic Wolverine he would not be able to move his arms very fast at all with a 25 lbs "pop-box" in each forearm.

The "pop-box" would also restrict arm movement as it would have to be bolted down to his arm bones.

The "pop-box" would also have to be made of adamantium, or it would get damaged and leave Wolverine's weapons completely useless for the rest of his life. This is a huge waste of a very expensive metal. A more logical choice would be to just give him an adamantium sword or knife.

Another good point. And even if they did give him a small "pop box" how does Wolverine activate it? Did they somehow connect neral implants leading from his brain to the box? That entire idea seems MUCH more far fetched then bone claws.

[chaseter]

1) You dont know how the adamantium was put in his skeleton, so stop making assumptions.
2) Shoving a needle in his bones would be really stupid. It wouldn't coat them in unbreakable metal, it would fill the bone marrow with adamantium, which I'm sure would not be a good idea.
3) You can't just cover someone's bones with adamantium because it would interfere with the organic processes that the bones have to fulfill. If his bones were covered in molten adamantium Wolverine would eventually die, or live the rest of his life in a state of near death.
1)You don't know how the adamantium was bonded to his bones either then so you quit making assumptions as well.
2)You can tell by the equipment in X2 that nothing was done on the cellular level. I never said they would shove a needle in his bones...that needle was to break the skin and cover his bones with the molten adamantium.
3)Covering his cut/sharpened bone claws with adamantium would interfere with the organic processes that his bones have to fulfill...that is what I have been arguing. That point is invalid and directly contradicts your theory.

BS. Dont try to compare the Shiar race and asteroid bases to Bone Claws. The two aren't even remotely similar. Bone Claws are a hell of a lot more believable. And they make more sense.
Stryker could have merely been referring to the fact that he fixed/replaced the broken Bone Claws with a better weapon, therefor he "gave Wolverine his claws."
Every single fact, character, and event in the comics are not realistic. Bone claws work for Wolverine in the comics, but not the movie verse. Go back and watch X1 when they take his x-ray. The x-ray Jean takes shows his bones as well as the adamantium coverings. You can see every bone in his body...but not bone claws. In X2 at Stryker's lab...you can see x-rays of Wolverine's and Lady D's hands. Guess what...no bone claws, just adamantium talons.

Deadpool has a heling factor, but he had to be put on a rack once to fix his shattered skeleton. The bones wouldn't have healed right if he hadn't. Kid Flash had to have his knee rebroken in the teen titans because his enhanced healing kept trying to heal the bones while they were in a position that would keep him from using his leg correctly. So even with a healing factor it helps to have an unbreakable skeleton. And now you see why.
Deadpool got his healing factor from Wolverine and Teen Titans certainly has absolutely no weight nor any matter relatable to Wolverine and the X-Men universe.

[Asteroid-Man]

Ok there YJ1, but bone claws are apart of wolverine. They are who he is, more then the adamantium. He has always had the bone claws, he was given metal to coat it later. So if your gonna just ignore the entire back story of Wolverine, I guesse your not a fan of him, then I begin to wonder why you are even in the Wolverine Movie Section of this forum :mad: Honestly man, the bones are moreapart of him then the metal. He is the bone, the metal is a gift ;) I stand by what I said a few page back but also I want o share something with you all...
http://mrlcomics.com/wolverine_mini_origin_covers/wolverine_mini_origin_cover_02.jpg

[Asteroid-Man]

1) You dont know how the adamantium was put in his skeleton, so stop making assumptions.
2) Shoving a needle in his bones would be really stupid. It wouldn't coat them in unbreakable metal, it would fill the bone marrow with adamantium, which I'm sure would not be a good idea.
3) You can't just cover someone's bones with adamantium because it would interfere with the organic processes that the bones have to fulfill. If his bones were covered in molten adamantium Wolverine would eventually die, or live the rest of his life in a state of near death.
4) Big tank in comics? check. Big tank in movies? check. I'd assume the rest of the bonding process is fairly close to the original. Especially since Cornelius and Hines are going to be there.
BS. Dont try to compare the Shiar race and asteroid bases to Bone Claws. The two aren't even remotely similar. Bone Claws are a hell of a lot more believable. And they make more sense.
Stryker could have merely been referring to the fact that he fixed/replaced the broken Bone Claws with a better weapon, therefor he "gave Wolverine his claws."

And Beast obviously doesn't know dick about Wolverine or he wouldn't have called him "Boy." Beast, like everyone else in the original Marvel Universe naturally assumed the claws were artificial because they knew his skeleton was adamantium (from the Weapon X reports) and the claws were metal too. Beast knowing about Weapon X doesn't prove anything.
Dont try to argue that his bone are super dense. They were and it can be proved. That is why the claws could cut through metal. If a guy can throw his pointed bones into a tree and through Wolverine's shoulder in X3 no one will care that Wolverine's claws can cut stuff.

You need adamantium because bones take longer to heal than other injuries. Without worrying about the damaged bones the healing factor can stop blood loss, organ damage and other injuries. It also means you can't have your head or limbs cut off, which is useful.

Deadpool has a heling factor, but he had to be put on a rack once to fix his shattered skeleton. The bones wouldn't have healed right if he hadn't. Kid Flash had to have his knee rebroken in the teen titans because his enhanced healing kept trying to heal the bones while they were in a position that would keep him from using his leg correctly. So even with a healing factor it helps to have an unbreakable skeleton. And now you see why.WOWOWO time out ther buddy. Ok The adimantium was cotted onto his bones with a pressure needle. Sure it doesn't make sense but its in the comic. And you are basically stating stuff that I could use comics to counter act. Look at my previous post, theres proof of the bone claws. THE END

[sc12een17am3]

THANK GOD Asteroid-Man for posting that

wolverine did have bone claws, so those who hate it, get over it... LOL

[chaseter]

^ We all know Wolverine had bone claws...we are not arguing that. The bone claws were introduced far far after Wolverine had his adamantium ripped out by Magneto, even longer after his Weapon X origin. A lot of people believe it was a cheap way by the writers to keep Wolverine active in the comics and able to fight and resemble the original adaptation. I myself believe that they should keep bone claws out of the movieverse for a lot of reasons.

[D-day]

^ We all know Wolverine had bone claws...we are not arguing that. The bone claws were introduced far far after Wolverine had his adamantium ripped out by Magneto, even longer after his Weapon X origin.

Erm... The bone claws were introduced in Wolverine #75 which was part of the Fatal Attractions story line in the early 90's. It was released about a week after X-men #25 in which Magneto ripped out the Adamantium. :confused:

:unishr:

[Asteroid-Man]

...you got told chaseter. And also, you fan-boys are always whining about comic films not being close to the comics right? Well heres is a perfectly good example and your pissed? Here's a quote from Quentin Tarantino from Wizard Magazine #155 "The reason I'll never do a comic book movie with, like, Flash or something like that is f--- those comic geeks, man. You can't please them. I might do a comic book movie, but I'd come up with my own characters where I'm God, and I'm the expert and not you guys." Before that pissed me off, but now I agree completly. Don't go to movies saying "Oh, wolverines origin was completly cheasy and off" "His hair style is nothing like in the comics" honestly, does it matter? GO watch it, FORGETTING the comics and ENJOY a GOOD MOVIE!
-Asteroid

[chaseter]

Erm... The bone claws were introduced in Wolverine #75 which was part of the Fatal Attractions story line in the early 90's. It was released about a week after X-men #25 in which Magneto ripped out the Adamantium. :confused:

:unishr:
Wolverine was first introduced in October 1974...adamantium claws and all. His little bone claws were not introduced to us until as you say the early 90's. Now you cannot sit there and tell me his bone claws were not just a ploy to allow Wolverine to stay a fighter in the comics after he lost his metal claws. How come it took 20 years for the writers to show us these magnificent bone claws??? Fatal Attractions was not released until 1993. And no Asteroid-Man I did not get "told".

[chaseter]

...you got told chaseter. And also, you fan-boys are always whining about comic films not being close to the comics right? Well heres is a perfectly good example and your pissed? Here's a quote from Quentin Tarantino from Wizard Magazine #155 "The reason I'll never do a comic book movie with, like, Flash or something like that is f--- those comic geeks, man. You can't please them. I might do a comic book movie, but I'd come up with my own characters where I'm God, and I'm the expert and not you guys." Before that pissed me off, but now I agree completly. Don't go to movies saying "Oh, wolverines origin was completly cheasy and off" "His hair style is nothing like in the comics" honestly, does it matter? GO watch it, FORGETTING the comics and ENJOY a GOOD MOVIE!
-Asteroid
Then why are you on here arguing for them???

[chaseter]

Can't wait to see this in the movie....:rolleyes:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Origin06.jpg
That is probably one of the corniest Wolverine pictures ever...

[ang_hulk]

I dont like it because I dont think its nessery and I dont like them changing continuity.It was mentioned(and again look at the props and replicas) that wolverines(movie) claws didnt have bone in them,they were added and weather you like it or not the line "i just gave you claws" was ment to reflect it.Even singers mentioned it as one of the changes he made.Ima sucker for this kind of thing and i think that change worked but o well,im sure it will make it to the wolverine film.

[Majik1387]

I honestly think it would be stupid for the claws not to be bone.

[X-Maniac]

The bone claws are fine. It makes sense that at some point Logan had bone claws and that the grafted adamantium followed the bone's natural pattern/template/tendency to form claws. I don't mind whether or not he has/had bone claws, as long as it makes sense in the story.

[D-day]

^The bone claws were introduced far far after Wolverine had his adamantium ripped out by Magneto

^ Thats what you posted! Its wrong! admit it! I think after 19 years of just having Wolverine running around slashing everybody to pieces it was good to see him as a more vulnerable character. I dont care if they only gave him bone claws to keep him on as a fighter, they only ripped the Adamantium out so that they could introduce them anyway. Its called character development!

Personally Id love to see them, as wether you like it or not, they are part of the characters history! I'm not saying he should have them for the whole film. Just at the beginning when he is a boy and his mutation first manifests itself.

:unishr:

[chaseter]

^ Thats what you posted! Its wrong! admit it! I think after 19 years of just having Wolverine running around slashing everybody to pieces it was good to see him as a more vulnerable character. I dont care if they only gave him bone claws to keep him on as a fighter, they only ripped the Adamantium out so that they could introduce them anyway. Its called character development!

Personally Id love to see them, as wether you like it or not, they are part of the characters history! I'm not saying he should have them for the whole film. Just at the beginning when he is a boy and his mutation first manifests itself.

:unishr:
Wolverine more vulnerable...mmmmk. After 19 years of Wolverine running around with adamantium claws and slashing everybody...now he can run around with bone claws and still slash everybody. No s*** it is character development. My point is that it wasn't planned out and only used as a way to keep him active in the comics. I am not arguing they don't work in the comics...I just don't think they would work in the movies. As I posted above...In X1 we got an x-ray of Wolverine by Jean. You can see all of his bones as well as the adamantium overlayings....no bone claws. In X2 we see x-rays of Wolverine's and Lady Deathstrike's hands...NO BONE CLAWS. Stryker said in X2 that he gave Wolverine claws and in X3 Beast said he was fighting for mutant rights before Wolverine had claws. There is a ton of evidence against bone claws in the movies. Yet the only thing bone claw enthusiasts have going for them is comic proof...no movie/continuity proof.

[Asteroid-Man]

tru dat brotha D-Day!

[Asteroid-Man]

Wolverine more vulnerable...mmmmk. After 19 years of Wolverine running around with adamantium claws and slashing everybody...now he can run around with bone claws and still slash everybody. No s*** it is character development. My point is that it wasn't planned out and only used as a way to keep him active in the comics. I am not arguing they don't work in the comics...I just don't think they would work in the movies. As I posted above...In X1 we got an x-ray of Wolverine by Jean. You can see all of his bones as well as the adamantium overlayings....no bone claws. In X2 we see x-rays of Wolverine's and Lady Deathstrike's hands...NO BONE CLAWS. Stryker said in X2 that he gave Wolverine claws and in X3 Beast said he was fighting for mutant rights before Wolverine had claws. There is a ton of evidence against bone claws in the movies. Yet the only thing bone claw enthusiasts have going for them is comic proof...no movie/continuity proof.are you on something? Since his claws are bone they are vulnarable to breaking! He isnt invicible anymore! He can be broken and crushed now! Atleast let it show him developing his claws when he is young like D-Day said!

[D-day]

Not planned!? The whole bloody Fatal Attractions storyline came about as a way of getting the Adamantium removed from him! Yes other things happened in that storyline, just like they are in Civil War after Spidey unmasks but Fatal Attractions was the end result of the whole "Remove the Adamantium" idea. :o

:unishr:

[D-day]

Everybodies entitled to thier own view! Thats why I started this topic! The reason I'm arguing is because you said that he didnt get his bone claws untill ages after Mags ripped out his Adamantium. Which is absolute bulls***!

:unishr:

[chaseter]

Everybodies entitled to thier own view! Thats why I started this topic! The reason I'm arguing is because you said that he didnt get his bone claws untill ages after Mags ripped out his Adamantium. Which is absolute bulls***!

:unishr:
I typed that sentence wrong and you promptly corrected me. That is why in my subsequent post I stated when Wolverine was first introduced back in 1974, the Fatal Attraction and Origin comics coming a couple of decades after. I know everyone is entitled to their own view and I am stating mine and backing it up just as you are. But the topic isn't when, how, or why Wolverine got his bone claws...it is if they would work in the movie.

[chaseter]

are you on something? Since his claws are bone they are vulnarable to breaking! He isnt invicible anymore! He can be broken and crushed now! Atleast let it show him developing his claws when he is young like D-Day said!
Quiet a few posters on here are saying his bone claws are so dense that they can cut through rocks, trees, and some metals. Yes I am on something...I am high on all this preachy bone junk going on in here...even the advocates for it cannot agree.

[D-day]

Finally! He admits he got it wrong! Congratulations! :up:

:unishr:

[Infinity9999x]

Can't wait to see this in the movie....:rolleyes:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Origin06.jpg
That is probably one of the corniest Wolverine pictures ever...

Umm....why? It's not that different from any other Wolverine poster pic. I really don't like it because they drew him too skinny, but really, it doesn't look cornier then any other single shot of Wolverine I've seen.

Personaly, I love the Origin storyline and really hope it will be in the movie. I don't see what the big deal with bone claws are. I've already stated, the claws being metal is just faulty reasoning, especially if the claws are a mistake like in the Weapon X storyline. Bone claws would work easily in the movieverse, he could have claws the same shape as the one's he has now, just slightly skinier then the metal ones.

[Decay]

I like the way his hair is blowing in the wind. that's so sexy!

[chaseter]

^ He is way to skinny and a wolf is behind him...corny. He just doesn't look fierce in that picture...unlike every other Wolverine poster. He looks like Christian Bale in the Machinist....creepy...not fierce/scary.

[Marvel Man]

^ He is way to skinny and a wolf is behind him...corny. He just doesn't look fierce in that picture...unlike every other Wolverine poster. He looks like Christian Bale in the Machinist....creepy...not fierce/scary.

I know what you mean in that pic he looks anerexic and boney. Not like the Wolverine we know

[Infinity9999x]

^ He is way to skinny and a wolf is behind him...corny. He just doesn't look fierce in that picture...unlike every other Wolverine poster. He looks like Christian Bale in the Machinist....creepy...not fierce/scary.

Ahh okay, I was trying to figure out if you were saying it was bad just because he had bone claws. But yes, I agree, they drew him way too skinny, but then Quesada always draws kind of odd.

[Asteroid-Man]

Then why are you on here arguing for them???Your missing the point. You want movies like the comics. Here's a chance to make it that way and your still not pleased?

[chaseter]

Your missing the point. You want movies like the comics. Here's a chance to make it that way and your still not pleased?
When have I ever said I wanted a movie 100% like the comics...NEVER.

[KillerBob]

Quiet a few posters on here are saying his bone claws are so dense that they can cut through rocks, trees, and some metals. Yes I am on something...I am high on all this preachy bone junk going on in here...even the advocates for it cannot agree.
Wolverine's bones and bone claws are super dense NOW.

Why? It is the nature of the healing factor. It slowly improves Wolverine's body, making him stronger faster, better. Along time ago Wolverine's bones would not be nearly as dense as they are now. In the 1960's (when Sabretooth breaks his bone claws in the movie) Wolverine's bones will not be anywhere near as dense as they are today (2000's).

[Logan876]

Wolverine's bones and bone claws are super dense NOW.

Why? It is the nature of the healing factor. It slowly improves Wolverine's body, making him stronger faster, better. Along time ago Wolverine's bones would not be nearly as dense as they are now. In the 1960's (when Sabretooth breaks his bone claws in the movie) Wolverine's bones will not be anywhere near as dense as they are today (2000's).

Now this gets me wondering, don't get me wrong, I'm a big Wolvie fan. I didn't read much of the comics but I watched all the X-Men cartoons and X-Men movies.

Just curious, when his skeleton was laced with adamantium, how come his healing power did not heal his skeleton and it should have eliminated the adamantium, but it didn't. Maybe this was explained in the movies or in the cartoons that I missed or I can't remember, whatever.

I'm guessing his healing power heals only his flesh and not the bones, but then again, I read Deadpool can heal his broken bones so it's not far-fetched that Logan can do the same. OR maybe adamantium is so indestructible that it can't be eliminated by his healing power or...I just don't know. lol... What is it then? :)

[KillerBob]

Now this gets me wondering, don't get me wrong, I'm a big Wolvie fan. I didn't read much of the comics but I watched all the X-Men cartoons and X-Men movies.

Just curious, when his skeleton was laced with adamantium, how come his healing power did not heal his skeleton and it should have eliminated the adamantium, but it didn't. Maybe this was explained in the movies or in the cartoons that I missed or I can't remember, whatever.

I'm guessing his healing power heals only his flesh and not the bones, but then again, I read Deadpool can heal his broken bones so it's not far-fetched that Logan can do the same. OR maybe adamantium is so indestructible that it can't be eliminated by his healing power or...I just don't know. lol... What is it then? :)
Wolverine's healing factor can't do anything to the adamantium because it is technically his skeleton. The metal is not overlayed on top of his organic bone, it is bonded to the skeleton on a moleculear level. There is no way for the healing factor to push the adamantium out of him because to do this it would have to expell his entire skeleton (adamantium and organic bones) leaving Wolverine with no skeleton at all. He'd be a sack of meat and jelly if the Healing Factor did that. The adamantium is also now in a fixed physically solid state, making it impossible to affect it at all, since it is virtually indestructible.

Wolverine's healing factor can and has repaired broken bones, and at a fairly quick rate.

[chaseter]

Now this gets me wondering, don't get me wrong, I'm a big Wolvie fan. I didn't read much of the comics but I watched all the X-Men cartoons and X-Men movies.

Just curious, when his skeleton was laced with adamantium, how come his healing power did not heal his skeleton and it should have eliminated the adamantium, but it didn't. Maybe this was explained in the movies or in the cartoons that I missed or I can't remember, whatever.

I'm guessing his healing power heals only his flesh and not the bones, but then again, I read Deadpool can heal his broken bones so it's not far-fetched that Logan can do the same. OR maybe adamantium is so indestructible that it can't be eliminated by his healing power or...I just don't know. lol... What is it then? :)
The comics go into way more detail than the movies or the cartoons. I grew up with the cartoons as well and have not read one comic...just researched them on here. I don't think the movies will go into that much detail as well. Back in the 60s they did not have as much technology as we do now. In X2 you could also see the equipment they used to lace his skeleton with adamantium. A simple needled(the one used to kill Lady D)was the only equipment used to put the adamantium on his bones. Now we all know adamantium is indestructible to both organic and inorganic materials...that is why his body wouldn't reject it. That is understandable. What I have been arguing in here is that many people are saying Stryker had to file down Wolverine's bone claws and then overlayed them with Adamantium. Now...his bones would naturally grow back since they were altered. They cannot break through the adamantium shell but would still grow none the less. I think this is a plot hole because his bones would either deform and cause Logan emmense pain. Or they would revert inward much like overgrown fingernails do. Whatever the case is I am still against bone claws. But his skeleton was never altered when the adamantium was put on there...that is why his body never rejected it.

Also, Deadpool got his healing ability from Wolverine...during the Weapon X times.

[Asteroid-Man]

When have I ever said I wanted a movie 100% like the comics...NEVER.Are you realy that stupid? I don't want to be rude but I had said fan boys wernt pleased and you said who? and I said Fanboys. then you said what about and when I said "You" I was rewording terintino's words.. as in FANBOYS!!!!!!!! not you in general. Sheesh!

[chaseter]

Are you realy that stupid? I don't want to be rude but I had said fan boys wernt pleased and you said who? and I said Fanboys. then you said what about and when I said "You" I was rewording terintino's words.. as in FANBOYS!!!!!!!! not you in general. Sheesh!
When you quote somebody on here...it usually means that you are talking back to them. When you quote someone in real life...it helps to actually reference the speaker because not everyone in here knows every Quinten Terintino quote. But now that you mention it...I remember reading that and see it helps. Not everyone knows or thinks they know exactly what you are thinking. Do not call me stupid or we will have it out on here.:)



And here is what I quoted from you when I said that I never wanted movies to be 100% like the comics
Your missing the point. You want movies like the comics. Here's a chance to make it that way and your still not pleased?
Now who is going to take that when you said "you", that you were actually referring to Quenten Terintino???

[D-day]

I dont think they filed Wolverines claws down but a possible way of doing this is like what they did in the x-23 limited series, they took her claws out, shaped them and then covered them in adamantium, they then replaced the claws that had grown back with the adamantium covered ones. Tricking her body into thinking that she didnt need to regrow them.

:unishr:

[KillerBob]

In X2 you could also see the equipment they used to lace his skeleton with adamantium. A simple needled(the one used to kill Lady D)was the only equipment used to put the adamantium on his bones.. We have no idea if that big needle was what was used to put adamantium on Logan's bones. It seems extremely unlikely as a needle is totally unsuited for the job. For all you know that needle could simply be an adamantium feed tube that is inserted into the tank itself (old school bonding style) or some other tool.
Now...his bones would naturally grow back since they were altered. They cannot break through the adamantium shell but would still grow none the less. I think this is a plot hole because his bones would either deform and cause Logan emmense pain. Or they would revert inward much like overgrown fingernails do.So his bones would naturally grow back, even though it's virtually impossible for this to happen??? Perfect sense. I am still perplexed as to where exactly the bones are going to grow since they are trapped in an unalterable shape. And it makes no sense to think that Wolverine's healing factor would cause him pain, or cause further injury. The HF's purpose is the exact opposite of what you claim it would do. According to you the healing factor would cause deformities, despite the fact that it FIXES deformities. It doesn't cause damage, it repairs damage. Your reasoning makes no sense at all. Wolverine's healing factor is also highly adaptable. It allows him to evolve. This has been said many times. A more likely senario is that the healing factor attempts to allow the body to more easily conform to the new adamantium coating. Perhaps going so far as to make the bone tissue denser to be more like the extremely dense adamantium it is coated with. This would explain why Wolverine's organic bone was tougher after the adamantium than it was before.

[LoGaN's RuNNer]

Maybe in the movie they'll just go with claws that already look like the adamantium ones.... I know a lot of people would be po'ed with that one, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[hitpehoaos]

That is probably one of the corniest Wolverine pictures ever...
i dont think so plus it would make an excellent shot for the movie storyboard

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Ok, I did a search and couldnt believe that no one had posted something like this. Am I the only one who wants to see Logans bone claws in his spin off film?? We all know he can't remeber his past so seeing him with bone claws could be a real possibility! :)

:unishr:

It might give them a problem continuity-wise, but I would love to see bone claws.

They could say that he had bone claws and they replaced them with metal...maybe Stryker just said he gave Logan claws just to feel special?

[ang_hulk]

We have no idea if that big needle was what was used to put adamantium on Logan's bones. It seems extremely unlikely as a needle is totally unsuited for the job. For all you know that needle could simply be an adamantium feed tube that is inserted into the tank itself (old school bonding style) or some other tool.
So his bones would naturally grow back, even though it's virtually impossible for this to happen??? Perfect sense. I am still perplexed as to where exactly the bones are going to grow since they are trapped in an unalterable shape. And it makes no sense to think that Wolverine's healing factor would cause him pain, or cause further injury. The HF's purpose is the exact opposite of what you claim it would do. According to you the healing factor would cause deformities, despite the fact that it FIXES deformities. It doesn't cause damage, it repairs damage. Your reasoning makes no sense at all. Wolverine's healing factor is also highly adaptable. It allows him to evolve. This has been said many times. A more likely senario is that the healing factor attempts to allow the body to more easily conform to the new adamantium coating. Perhaps going so far as to make the bone tissue denser to be more like the extremely dense adamantium it is coated with. This would explain why Wolverine's organic bone was tougher after the adamantium than it was before.



his bone claws are claws and as far as i know they dont grow.Its true singer left the bone claws out and i think they should stay away but if its a good movie with bone claws theni guess its cool.

[cryptic name]

Some of you really need to check up on your comic facts.

All of you who complain that the bone claws are stupid because they are too fragile to be used as weapons are flat out wrong. Yes the claws have been broken, but in Wolverine's bio that Marvel used to insert on the first page of the comics it clearly states that Wolverine's claws are made of "super dense bone" which means that they are much, much stronger than normal human bones. The bones are super dense because Wolverine's healing factor makes his bones much stronger than a normal person, the same way it makes him much faster and stronger than humans.

If any of you read a Wolverine bio you would know that Marvel has stated that Wolverine's bone claws are naturally sharp and durable enough to cut through most natural substances, including rocks, trees, and most kinds of metal like solid steel.
Now for those of you in the "Stryker can't alter the shape of Wolverine's bones" Camp, you are wrong too. Every time Wolverine's bone claws were shattered or broken in the comics it would take several (days to weeks) issues for the claws to regrow to their natural length. In staying consistant with the comics then, it would be completely resonable for Stryker to shave down the claws to the Adamantium shape.

Movie Wolverine does not heal as fast as Comic Wolverine, therefor Stryker should have more than enough time to prepare the claws for the bonding process.

that's ridiculous.

[storm-x-fan]

I'd go for adamantun claws. :embarrassment:

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Actually, bone is one of the strongest materials ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone

Did none of you learn anything in PDHPE/Science?? :rolleyes:

[storm-x-fan]

Actually, bone is one of the strongest materials ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone

Did none of you learn anything in PDHPE/Science?? :rolleyes:

please!! keep science outa comics!! :o :cmad:

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

they get the mutation powers from scientific cellular mutations

wtf

contradiction much? :p

[storm-x-fan]

they get the mutation powers from scientific cellular mutations

wtf

contradiction much? :p

Bone si one of teh strongest metals ever. SO???

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

That made no sense, mainly coz of spelling...but let's just read it over, corrected:

Bone is one of the strongest metals ever. SO???

WTF

[storm-x-fan]

That made no sense, mainly coz of spelling...but let's just read it over, corrected:

Bone is one of the strongest metals ever. SO???

WTF

If I have to spell everything rightly, You too have to write the full form of WTF. :o :cmad:

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

:cmad:

[storm-x-fan]

^^ Shows tongue!!

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

*punches hole through storm-x-fan*

*laughs hysterically*

*contracts hepititus c*

*dies*

[storm-x-fan]

^^ Ok, lets end our quarrel and get back to the point-
Bone is one of the strongest metals ever. SO???

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

What's so about it?

[Grim Goblin]

http://mrlcomics.com/wolverine_mini_origin_covers/wolverine_mini_origin_cover_02.jpg

This picture does pose a problem with the movie version of Wolverine though. Based on what we've seen, I'd say that maybe bone claws could fit in the adamantium ones from the movies. However, in the movies the claws come from between the fingers instead of over them and there's barely enough space for them as it is. So if there were bones claws that were bigger than the adamantium ones, they would've mangled Logan's hands whenever he popped them out.

And yet, there's no logical explanation for Logan's ability to pop out the claws without natural means to do so. And there's no unquestionable proof in the movies so far to account that the claws are completely artificial.

Beast's comments are posturing and nothing more. It's a variation of the "I was doing so-and-so since before you were born" line.
As for Stryker's comment about giving Logan his claws, people just forget the context of the conversation and the lines that followed. Stryker was about to be killed by Logan so he played one of the aces up his sleeve: his knowledge of Logan's past. He gave him hints of info before saying the "I just gave you claws" bit and quickly followed by saying he would tell logan everything if he took them away from there. Giving him free info about his true nature would not have been in Stryker's advantage.

I personally like the bones claws but in the end, there's just as many factor to warrant their use as there are to remove them from the equation.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I still think it would work as a precursor to the adamantium claws, so I'm all for them

[Sturmwolf]

IMO...the whole bone claws thing was a stupid idea from the start till now.
They removed his adamantium but they wanted him to retain his claws, so they came up with this garbage.
Let's just clean up the continuity and forget about the bone claws.
Artifical cyberpunk claws as they where for years.

[Asteroid-Man]

When you quote somebody on here...it usually means that you are talking back to them. When you quote someone in real life...it helps to actually reference the speaker because not everyone in here knows every Quinten Terintino quote. But now that you mention it...I remember reading that and see it helps. Not everyone knows or thinks they know exactly what you are thinking.


And here is what I quoted from you when I said that I never wanted movies to be 100% like the comics

Now who is going to take that when you said "you", that you were actually referring to Quenten Terintino???

Oh yeah? I didn't quote Terintino?



Here's a quote from Quentin Tarantino from Wizard Magazine #155 "The reason I'll never do a comic book movie with, like, Flash or something like that is f--- those comic geeks, man. You can't please them. I might do a comic book movie, but I'd come up with my own characters where I'm God, and I'm the expert and not you guys."

To which you replied

Then why are you on here arguing for them???


then I said

Your missing the point. You want movies like the comics. Here's a chance to make it that way and your still not pleased?

And then you yelled at me for taking that at a direct attack. I then replied with "I was rewording what Tarantino said." and you said "how was I supposed to know"
How? Cause I posted it before and you knew about it cause you even replied to the quote!

[Rac]

Quenten Terintino http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9132/rofl1pq.gif

Sometimes I can't just believe the typos here.

And the bone claws rock, okay?

[chaseter]

IMO...the whole bone claws thing was a stupid idea from the start till now.
They removed his adamantium but they wanted him to retain his claws, so they came up with this garbage.
Let's just clean up the continuity and forget about the bone claws.
Artifical cyberpunk claws as they where for years.

I have said this forever. They rip out his adamantium but still want Wolverine as a major player and able to still hack and slash...so they write in this crappy bone claw idea. I don't like bone claws and think they are dumb. But there is merit to it. He would have to of had muscles to be able to protract and retract his metal claws...the scientits did not make muscles in his arm to be able to do that. So, he would have to have some sort of mutation that allows him to do that...which is bone claws that he was born with. I just hope they don't show them in the movie...it's still dumb.

[chaseter]

Oh yeah? I didn't quote Terintino?




To which you replied




then I said



And then you yelled at me for taking that at a direct attack. I then replied with "I was rewording what Tarantino said." and you said "how was I supposed to know"
How? Cause I posted it before and you knew about it cause you even replied to the quote!

WTF!?!?!?!?! You bring this back up after more than 6 months...I don't even remember what we were talking about.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Quentin Tarantino rocks :cool:

[Horhey]

I agree with Tarantino. If he did make a comic book movie, no matter how good it may be, the "fanboy elite" here in the forums will still find some imaginary or trivial reasons to cry about it.

[Sturmwolf]

They rip out his adamantium but still want Wolverine as a major player and able to still hack and slash...
With all his martial arts training and Japan background...
Why the heck didn't they just give him a f*n SWORD for the slashingpart?:ninja:
Can anybody tell me who wrote the comics at that time?
I need a name to blame.:oldrazz:

[jim_root_rules]

Quentin Tarantino rocks :cool:

very tru, i wonder what he could do with a comic book moive, u guys reckon he wuld do a good job? i could sorta see him doina deadpool movie for sum reason, i think he gets the humor aspect of violence pretty well

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

According to some nerds on here, it isn't about whether he would do a good job or not...it's about whether the nerds are pleased with what was put into the movie.

Seriously, comic book movies are movies. Comic books and books.

They are different. If I were him I'd **** the fans and do a comic book movie for myself

[Sturmwolf]

it isn't about whether he would do a good job or not...it's about whether the nerds are pleased with what was put into the movie.

Seriously, comic book movies are movies. Comic books and books.

They are different.
You got it, pal.:oldrazz:

If you adapt a book or comic or do a remake of an old movie, you have to concern about the original and do the tightropewalk between being true to the original and or own cinematic vision.
If you wanna do your own movie and "**** the fans" than write your own stuff.
If you make a X-Men Movie (or Wolverine or what ever) than you have to please the fans that made the original big!
If you want to do your own Wolverine don't call him Wolverine.

This isn't about being nerdy.
It was the original concept that made the fanbase, so you can't just ignore it and steal the name.
(Like "I robot")

[ICXCNIKA]

According to some nerds on here, it isn't about whether he would do a good job or not...it's about whether the nerds are pleased with what was put into the movie.

Seriously, comic book movies are movies. Comic books and books.

They are different. If I were him I'd **** the fans and do a comic book movie for myself

I think he does want to do a comic book movie of his own, maybe a slasher film, too, as I know he didn't want to make the movie Jason Voorhees.

I think bone claws are an awesome idea, are a crucial part of Wolverine's character, and judging by the fact that his movie claws are NOT razor thin, there's plenty of room for bone claws to fit underneath. Also, the adamantium coating on Wolverine's skeleton only needs to be paper thin, so it's even more likely that movie Wolverine has bone claws underneath the adamantium ones.

Movie Wolverine has bone claws, without them, what good is he? He's basically a useless character. Before it was ever imagined Wolverine would get his adamantium pulled out, it didn't matter whether or not he had bone claws. But he did get his adamantium pulled out, and went years fighting with the bone claws. And then Origin was made. Therefore, Wolverine's bone claws have become canon. It's essential to the character that he has claws, either bone or adamantium, that pop out of his hands. Again, without them, Wolverine (who's my favorite superhero) is useless.

When movie Spider-Man was altered from his comic book counterpart to have organic webbing, the character was actually strengthened. If movie Wolverine is altered, though, so that he has no organic bone claws beneath the adamantium ones, the character is weakened, and the entire Origin story can be thrown in the garbage, which would REALLY infuriate fans!

[Sturmwolf]

Movie Wolverine has bone claws, without them, what good is he? He's basically a useless character.
It's essential to the character that he has claws, either bone or adamantium, that pop out of his hands.
Again, without them, Wolverine (who's my favorite superhero) is useless.

When movie Spider-Man was altered from his comic book counterpart to have organic webbing, the character was actually strengthened. If movie Wolverine is altered, though, so that he has no organic bone claws beneath the adamantium ones, the character is weakened, and the entire Origin story can be thrown in the garbage, which would REALLY infuriate fans!
What kind of nonesense your talking about?
Useless?
With a healing factor like Logans?
With a martial arts training?
Special tactics training?
Assassinationskills?
Enhanced senses?
Clawy essential?
Why?
Because he had them since his first appearance in the comic book?
That because he had a background before.
Why would he be weakend?
If the movie Logan never gets de-adamantionized it's without any intrest.
The Originstory wouldn't be hurt if the claws become cybernatical implants again.
In fact...i think a lot of fans would be pleased, escacially me, if the boneclawgarbage is drop out of the canon.
They always lead to useless arguments.
Some dc-style-crisis should get rid of the boneclawsubject.
And the stupid writer who invented them in the first place should be beaten with a wet towel!
:oldrazz:

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

I think the bone claws are sort of pointless, especially in the films. X2 definitively establishes this line from Stryker: "You were an animal then and you're an animal now. I just gave you claws." Retconning things so that they fit the newest plot to be had in the films gives us another X3, which this film seriously needs to avoid if it hopes to have replay value of any kind.

From the script leak it would seem they're just going to go ahead with the bone claws anyway, so it really doesn't matter what we think. I still think it's not a good idea, though. I never really found the bone claws interesting and purposeless outside of giving him something to do when he doesn't have adamantium grafted to his skeleton. Unless they can explore early on what makes him become the gruff, wary individual he is through the claws and get rid of them quick enough I'd rather not see them. I'd rather they explore a Logan with a high healing factor and a metahuman level of strength who is cursed with the claws due to the project he had to endure.

[Chaos Bringer]

IMO...the whole bone claws thing was a stupid idea from the start till now.
They removed his adamantium but they wanted him to retain his claws, so they came up with this garbage.
Let's just clean up the continuity and forget about the bone claws.
Artifical cyberpunk claws as they where for years.

wow.
that's exactly how i feel.
marvel punked spidey with b.reilley too.
i hope daily one day arad will green light an 80s dallas tv style sequence with logan coming to in the shower...and the bone garbage is gone forever.

[WeaponXProject]

I feel differently, the bone claws keep the sense that Wolverine was always an animal in some ways. His rage, his ability to track a scent, his hearing, and his look. The bone claws kinda keep that animal in him so it seems like he was animal even before the Weapon X procedure.

[Infinity9999x]

Bone claws are logical. Why? Because before bone claws, Wolverine's claws were merely an "accident" of his adamantium grafting process. And frankly, that's even dumber then the bone claws explanation. Why?

Well, I could buy it that somehow the claws form inside his body, but if they're an accident, then he still wouldn't have any of the muscles in his arm required to move the claws. If the claws weren't already a part of him, they would be useless.

For the claws to work and not be a part of him, weapon X would have had to implant some kind of switchblade mechanisim that Wolverine could also somehow initiate mentally. Which would be extremely tough. But the problem with that was, they didn't. Before bone claws the explanation was simply "they were an accident, a side effect."

And like I said, by that explanation, Wolverine wouldn't be able to move the friggin things because he has no muscles in his arm that could move the claws. So Bone claws are the most logical things for Wolverine.

Not only that, Bone claws allow for the best recent Wolverine story to be told (even if only in breif flashbacks) which would be Origin. Bone claws played a big factor in that story.

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

I think if they just have it that was his mutation along with his healing abilities (think about it, otherwise him just having healing abilities is a bit iffy).
Having him have bone claws BEFORE the adamantium claws would make sense, if your opinion is the bone isn't as strong as adamantium...well, it goes without saying.

Do you get me? Like, Stryker just makes him more powerful sort of thing. I'd buy that.

[Sturmwolf]

Bone claws are logical. Why? Because before bone claws, Wolverine's claws were merely an "accident" of his adamantium grafting process. And frankly, that's even dumber then the bone claws explanation. Why?

Did I miss something?
"Accident"?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
But the old story (before bone claws) was that they were cybernatically implanted adamantium blades with a muscle triggered switchblademechanism, like in the Shadowrun RPG.
The new story was that he always had the claws as a part of his natural skeleton, so that he can trigger them with his natural muscles, like every other animal with retracable claws and they were covered with adamantium during the weapon X project.
Right?
In either way, the trigger is explained.
What's your frickin point, man??

[ICXCNIKA]

What kind of nonesense your talking about?
Useless?
With a healing factor like Logans?
With a martial arts training?
Special tactics training?
Assassinationskills?
Enhanced senses?
Clawy essential?
Why?
Because he had them since his first appearance in the comic book?
That because he had a background before.
Why would he be weakend?
If the movie Logan never gets de-adamantionized it's without any intrest.
The Originstory wouldn't be hurt if the claws become cybernatical implants again.
In fact...i think a lot of fans would be pleased, escacially me, if the boneclawgarbage is drop out of the canon.
They always lead to useless arguments.
Some dc-style-crisis should get rid of the boneclawsubject.
And the stupid writer who invented them in the first place should be beaten with a wet towel!
:oldrazz:

O.K. If a Wolverine/X-Men film never brings up the subject of why Wolverine has claws, and Magneto never rips the adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton (which will probably never happen on film, thank goodness), then fine, leave the bone claws story out. But the odds are, at some point in a Wolverine/X-Men film, the issue of why exactly Wolverine has claws will be brought up, and if they make it whereby he was born without bone claws, when so many will expect the bone claws idea to be included, it will destroy the character. Back in the day, when the idea of Wolverine losing his adamantium skeleton was inconceivable, and the idea of Wolverine's origin being revealed was inconceivable, then fine, the idea of bone claws was useless. Eventually, however, Wolverine did lose his adamantium skeleton, and his origin was revealed, and his having bone claws is now canon, and a great improvement on the character.

And yes, the Origin storyline used in a movie will have to be left out completely if movie Wolveine doesn't have natural bone claws. They're the most important part of Origin!

And yes, when up against a powerful mutant foe like Sabretooth, Apocalypse, or Omega Red, etc., Wolverine, without claws, I'm sorry to say, is useless, or near useless! His healing factor and samurai training will just keep him alive a little longer before he gets utterly slaugtered! Can you imagine Wolverine and the X-Men going into battle against Apocalype, and all Wolverine has is his instantaneous healing factor, temper, hightened animal senses, martial arts training, and a non-adamantium samurai sword?! What's he gonna do?! He'll be the first X-Man to die, and not to mention be the least superhero-looking of all the characters! It's awesome when Wolverine pops his claws, adamantium or bone! It's expected! It freaks the villains out, not to mention any onlookers! It makes Wolverine all the more animal-like! It's an iconic image! Plus, what if Wolverine drops this samurai sword, or it breaks?! What an utterly inconvenient weapon! At least if he has bone claws, he has six of them, and can keep going even if a few get broken. Not to mention he can't drop them. Plus, Wolverine looks awesome fighting with all broken bone claws, anyway! Wolveine without bone claws can't even defeat Sabretooth!

Wolverine having natural bone claws was one of the greatest comic book ideas ever!

Think of it this way: If you were Wolverine, wouldn't you want natural bone claws?! Or if you were Spider-Man, wouldn't you want organic webbing?! How can a person be opposed to superheroes having these awesome extra powers?!

[ICXCNIKA]

Bone claws are logical. Why? Because before bone claws, Wolverine's claws were merely an "accident" of his adamantium grafting process. And frankly, that's even dumber then the bone claws explanation. Why?

Well, I could buy it that somehow the claws form inside his body, but if they're an accident, then he still wouldn't have any of the muscles in his arm required to move the claws. If the claws weren't already a part of him, they would be useless.

For the claws to work and not be a part of him, weapon X would have had to implant some kind of switchblade mechanisim that Wolverine could also somehow initiate mentally. Which would be extremely tough. But the problem with that was, they didn't. Before bone claws the explanation was simply "they were an accident, a side effect."

And like I said, by that explanation, Wolverine wouldn't be able to move the friggin things because he has no muscles in his arm that could move the claws. So Bone claws are the most logical things for Wolverine.

Not only that, Bone claws allow for the best recent Wolverine story to be told (even if only in breif flashbacks) which would be Origin. Bone claws played a big factor in that story.

I agree with you, completely! I love bone claws, too! My question is, in the comics, was it really an "accident" that Wolverine had adamantium claws?! The Weapon X technicians couldn't possibly be that stupid--but being that Wolverine trashed the facility, I guess they were, or were unprepared for the violence Logan was actually capable of, particularly with adamantium claws! I believe, as with the X-Men/Wolverine films, the Weapon X technicians/Stryker saw the bone claws and grafted the adamantium on top of them, and just let Wolverine think they were an accident of the experiment, or as in the case with Stryker, there intentionally. I'm sure that's the case in the movies, as it should be in the comics.

However, it looks like Wolverine killed some Weapon X people in the movies. But I guess they lost control of him. Or, Stryker let him do that. The guy's evil, anyway. Those Weapon X guys Wolverine killed could even have been cyborgs--who knows?!

Bone claws rule, though, and are an essential part of the character!:woot:

[ICXCNIKA]

I feel differently, the bone claws keep the sense that Wolverine was always an animal in some ways. His rage, his ability to track a scent, his hearing, and his look. The bone claws kinda keep that animal in him so it seems like he was animal even before the Weapon X procedure.

Exactly!

[ICXCNIKA]

I think the bone claws are sort of pointless, especially in the films. X2 definitively establishes this line from Stryker: "You were an animal then and you're an animal now. I just gave you claws." Retconning things so that they fit the newest plot to be had in the films gives us another X3, which this film seriously needs to avoid if it hopes to have replay value of any kind.

From the script leak it would seem they're just going to go ahead with the bone claws anyway, so it really doesn't matter what we think. I still think it's not a good idea, though. I never really found the bone claws interesting and purposeless outside of giving him something to do when he doesn't have adamantium grafted to his skeleton. Unless they can explore early on what makes him become the gruff, wary individual he is through the claws and get rid of them quick enough I'd rather not see them. I'd rather they explore a Logan with a high healing factor and a metahuman level of strength who is cursed with the claws due to the project he had to endure.

I appreciate your thoughts, but in regards to the Stryker line, he could easily have been lying.

[Infinity9999x]

Did I miss something?
"Accident"?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
But the old story (before bone claws) was that they were cybernatically implanted adamantium blades with a muscle triggered switchblademechanism, like in the Shadowrun RPG.
The new story was that he always had the claws as a part of his natural skeleton, so that he can trigger them with his natural muscles, like every other animal with retracable claws and they were covered with adamantium during the weapon X project.
Right?
In either way, the trigger is explained.
What's your frickin point, man??


No, the explanation, as given in the Barry Windsor Smith Weapon X storyline was that the claws were an accident the scientists didn't forsee. They were surprised by the emergence of his claws and thought they were a side effect of the transformation process.

Not only that, even with a switchblade explanation, how would he have been able to activate it? It would have had to respond to him mentally, because he can't move a random muscle in his arm to activate it, or else it might go off accidentally.

And my point was, the only explanation for Wolverine's claws that make sense is that the claws were natural, not put in him. That was the point of my entire post.

[Sturmwolf]

...
and a great improvement on the character.
...
They're the most important part of Origin!

And yes, when up against a powerful mutant foe like Sabretooth, Apocalypse, or Omega Red, etc., Wolverine, without claws, I'm sorry to say, is useless, or near useless! ...Can you imagine Wolverine and the X-Men going into battle against Apocalype, and all Wolverine has is his instantaneous healing factor, temper, hightened animal senses, martial arts training, and a non-adamantium samurai sword?! ...

Wolverine having natural bone claws was one of the greatest comic book ideas ever!
...
Hold your fire man...
I do realize that you are pretty amazed by the bone claw thing...
but you just talking trash anyway.
The bone claws are NO improvement.
What for?
Just in case he get deadamantiumnized?
After they trashed the story with the first appearance of them, they HAD to mention them into the origin story.
They just tried to make sense into it anyhow.
If they had him left without claws after the Magneto rip out, they wouldn't be mentioned in the origin story.
(My god...are my gramatical times correct?!)
And nobody would have ever missed them!

About uselessness...enhanced senses, reflexes, strength, durability, combattraining....??
Sounds like, Daredevil...Captain America...Spider Man...or a dozend other full fledged heros of the marvel universe.
And a lot of them fight major villains.
And none of them has a healing factor compareable to Wolverines or an unbreakable skeleton.
In a hundred fights Wolverine was forced NOT to use his claws by his teammates, was he useless then?

Sorry, but I can't agree you.
Bone claws were one of the most stupid comic book ideas ever!

[Sturmwolf]

No, the explanation, as given in the Barry Windsor Smith Weapon X storyline was that the claws were an accident the scientists didn't forsee. They were surprised by the emergence of his claws and thought they were a side effect of the transformation process.

Not only that, even with a switchblade explanation, how would he have been able to activate it? It would have had to respond to him mentally, because he can't move a random muscle in his arm to activate it, or else it might go off accidentally.

And my point was, the only explanation for Wolverine's claws that make sense is that the claws were natural, not put in him. That was the point of my entire post.
Okok....I never read that.^^
But it sound so funny to me.
Funny...not in an entertaining way...but more like blooper funnny.
The scientist "didn't forsee it"?
They missed to notice that their subject has a lot of extrabones in his arms?
Couldn't Wolverine use them before?

And the "only" explanation point thing...
what makes the cyber claws explanation impossible in your mind?
And why does it have to be "mentally" activated?
It is a trained muscle activation.
Nobody said that the claws are easy to use.^^

[Infinity9999x]

Okok....I never read that.^^
But it sound so funny to me.
Funny...not in an entertaining way...but more like blooper funnny.
The scientist "didn't forsee it"?
They missed to notice that their subject has a lot of extrabones in his arms?
Couldn't Wolverine use them before?

And the "only" explanation point thing...
what makes the cyber claws explanation impossible in your mind?
And why does it have to be "mentally" activated?
It is a trained muscle activation.
Nobody said that the claws are easy to use.^^

Yeah, I thought the accident solution was a bad explanation too.

Well, the problem I saw with cyber claws was always, what muscle in his arm did they teach to activate his claws? The human body doesn't have a muscle in it's arm that can do that, and with the cyber claw explanation neither does Wolverine. Did they somehow train another muscle in his arm to do that? And if they did, how did they rework his anatomy that way? Which is why I always thought that if it were cyber, they would have had to connected the claws to his brain in a way he could mentally activate them.

The bone claws always seemed the most logical explanation to me.

[Sturmwolf]

Yeah, I thought the accident solution was a bad explanation too.

Well, the problem I saw with cyber claws was always, what muscle in his arm did they teach to activate his claws? The human body doesn't have a muscle in it's arm that can do that, and with the cyber claw explanation neither does Wolverine. Did they somehow train another muscle in his arm to do that? And if they did, how did they rework his anatomy that way? Which is why I always thought that if it were cyber, they would have had to connected the claws to his brain in a way he could mentally activate them.

The bone claws always seemed the most logical explanation to me.
First of all...we're talking about comics...and you ask which muscle exactly trigger the switchblademechanism??
We accept that a spiderbite could rearrange a persons DNA but debate about the muscle to trigger the claws??

And what difference would bone claw make?
They have to be triggern 2?

[ICXCNIKA]

Hold your fire man...
I do realize that you are pretty amazed by the bone claw thing...
but you just talking trash anyway.
The bone claws are NO improvement.
What for?
Just in case he get deadamantiumnized?
After they trashed the story with the first appearance of them, they HAD to mention them into the origin story.
They just tried to make sense into it anyhow.
If they had him left without claws after the Magneto rip out, they wouldn't be mentioned in the origin story.
(My god...are my gramatical times correct?!)
And nobody would have ever missed them!

About uselessness...enhanced senses, reflexes, strength, durability, combattraining....??
Sounds like, Daredevil...Captain America...Spider Man...or a dozend other full fledged heros of the marvel universe.
And a lot of them fight major villains.
And none of them has a healing factor compareable to Wolverines or an unbreakable skeleton.
In a hundred fights Wolverine was forced NOT to use his claws by his teammates, was he useless then?

Sorry, but I can't agree you.
Bone claws were one of the most stupid comic book ideas ever!

First of all, Wolverine's my favorite superhero, and I'm not talking trash. Second of all, claws, bone or adamantium, make the character! That's the whole point of Wolverine! Do you think that after Wolverine got his adamantium pulled out, and the writer's decided to have him clawless, his popularity would be the same as if he had claws?! No! The character would lose readers fast, and then the writer's would have to give him back mechanical claws.

I know Wolverine's still tough with or without his claws. There's no debating that. But who cares?! I agree; he's not exactly useless without his claws, but he's a boring character to watch and/or to read about without his claws! His having claws, bone or adamantium, hidden in his forearms, that he extracts like switchblades when going into battle, is the fun part of the character!

Look, if Wolverine never got his adamantium pulled out, and the story of his bone claws was never created, then yes, I agree, it's a great idea that his claws were purely mechanical and given to him in the Weapon X project, and that he considers them a "curse," more or less, and that with or without them, he's the best and toughest character ever. Although this still doesn't explain how the Weapon X technicians could create a mental trigger to activate the claws. But nevertheless, the writers eventually gave us the bone claws story. And quite frankly, I think it was a better and more efficient idea than Logan having purely mechanical claws.

Again, if you were Wolverine, wouldn't you want natural bone claws, too?! I sure would. Like Kevin Smith discussed, it's the convenience of Wolverine's weapons that's so awesome.

[Infinity9999x]

First of all...we're talking about comics...and you ask which muscle exactly trigger the switchblademechanism??
We accept that a spiderbite could rearrange a persons DNA but debate about the muscle to trigger the claws??

And what difference would bone claw make?
They have to be triggern 2?

Well you see, if the claws were natural, as the bone claws are, then he would always have a extra muscle group in his arm that would allow him to extract/retract his claws, as do all animals born with claws.

The mechanical explanation just wasn't as logical, and the one offered in the comics wasn't at all (the whole accident thing.) Though, if they had kept his claws purely added, and used the explanation you said, I probably wouldn't question it. But since we got a crap explanation in the comics instead, and then they changed it to him having bone claws, I've just always thought the bone claws more logical. And I really like the origin story, so I think he should keep the bone claws.

So really, bone claws weren't one of the stupidest comic ideas ever. They were logical, because they made more sense then the explanation offered before they were introduced. Making Spider-man get his powers from a "spider-god" and having Gwen Stacy boink Norman Osborn.....those are some of the dumbest ideas ever.

But you also have a point, arguing the logic in a comic is a silly thing to do, but then, if we didn't, we would have much to talk about would we? :woot:

[ICXCNIKA]

No, the explanation, as given in the Barry Windsor Smith Weapon X storyline was that the claws were an accident the scientists didn't forsee. They were surprised by the emergence of his claws and thought they were a side effect of the transformation process.

Not only that, even with a switchblade explanation, how would he have been able to activate it? It would have had to respond to him mentally, because he can't move a random muscle in his arm to activate it, or else it might go off accidentally.

And my point was, the only explanation for Wolverine's claws that make sense is that the claws were natural, not put in him. That was the point of my entire post.

Totally!

[Sturmwolf]

@ICXCNIKA
If u reduce Wolverine to just all about having claws, ur right.
But I think u miss 90% of the charachter.
And most fans wouldn't.
There are hundreds of comic and movie heroes with a steady fanbase.
But anyway...I thing you downgrad the character that way.
And asking to having bone claws or not, when I have adamantiom claws nonetheless is pointless.
That's no argument.
It's a choice about having claws or not.
That would be yes.
And if i have the choice...gimme the adamantium thingys.^^
Coz in the old story, at least they had been keen edged, not like the horny things nowadays.

@Infinity9999x
Please read some Cyberpunkstuff...
and talking logic...no natural claws come out at the knuckles or are rested in the forearm.
They are nailextentions.
So...no logic about that.
Artifical claws of that design a much more plausible.
And concidering the real life modern prosthesis the trigger would be the least problem.

btw...we still debate about the garbage the deadamantium story forced on us.
Can't we just agree on beating up the writer who came up with this ***** if me ever meet him?
:oldrazz:
(Bone claws not the stupidest comic idea ever...but close.)

[Infinity9999x]

@Infinity9999x
Please read some Cyberpunkstuff...
and talking logic...no natural claws come out at the knuckles or are rested in the forearm.
They are nailextentions.
So...no logic about that.
Artifical claws of that design a much more plausible.
And concidering the real life modern prosthesis the trigger would be the least problem.

btw...we still debate about the garbage the deadamantium story forced on us.
Can't we just agree on beating up the writer who came up with this ***** if me ever meet him?
:oldrazz:
(Bone claws not the stupidest comic idea ever...but close.)

Question, what's Cyberpunkstuff and why should I read it? J/W, because I really don't see what it has to do with the whole claw thing.

And no, no claws are housed in the forearms, but saying he's a mutant with natural claws still makes more sense then the explanation offered in the comics before that, which was that the claws were accidental. And what about the real life prosthesis, I still don't see how he could trigger the claws, if they were added into his skeleton, without it having to be mental, which in a comic wouldn't be that out there of an explanation, and still would have made more sense then the "accident" one they gave us, but I'm just saying.

I really never minded bone claws, like I said, they made more sense then the offered explanation in the oomics. Now, if the comics had gone with the explanation you offered, with the claws being cyborg like with somekind of advanced triggering mechanisim, then I would have thought the bone claws stupid, because that would have been throwing out a perfectly plausible explanation.

[Sturmwolf]

Question, what's Cyberpunkstuff and why should I read it? J/W, because I really don't see what it has to do with the whole claw thing.

Because cyberclaws like Wolverines (or other implanted weaponry) have been a pretty common motive in this genre.
Retractable razorblades under the fingernails, etc.
See movies like Johnny Mnemonic or read books like Neuromancer.
Perhaps the concept of artifical claws comes easier to you.
;)

[Infinity9999x]

Because cyberclaws like Wolverines (or other implanted weaponry) have been a pretty common motive in this genre.
Retractable razorblades under the fingernails, etc.
See movies like Johnny Mnemonic or read books like Neuromancer.
Perhaps the concept of artifical claws comes easier to you.
;)

Oh ok. I haven't seen Johnny Mnemonic or read Neuromancer, maybe I'll check them out.

And Like I said before, the whole cyber claws thing really wouldn't have been a bad explanation for his claws, actually it would have been a better one then what was first given. That was the only reason I said bone claws made more sense, because they made more sense then the first "accident" explanation.

[Turtle-Man]

He already has claws. Good enough. We don't want the spin-off movie to be about "how he got his claws". We want it to be a continuation of the story. We've already discovered his claws, now let's get to the plot.

OMG! 'X' YEARS OF HYPE AND WE GOT A MOVIE ABOUT WOLVERINE'S HAND! WAAH! :csad::csad::csad:

[D-day]

Holy cow!! I started thie Topic last summer and havent been back since and its still going strong.... nice one guys!!

:unishr:

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

:up:

[ICXCNIKA]

He already has claws. Good enough. We don't want the spin-off movie to be about "how he got his claws". We want it to be a continuation of the story. We've already discovered his claws, now let's get to the plot.

You know the movie's a prequel, right? So, "how he got his claws," may play an important role in the story.

[ICXCNIKA]

Oh ok. I haven't seen Johnny Mnemonic or read Neuromancer, maybe I'll check them out.

And Like I said before, the whole cyber claws thing really wouldn't have been a bad explanation for his claws, actually it would have been a better one then what was first given. That was the only reason I said bone claws made more sense, because they made more sense then the first "accident" explanation.

Yes, the cyber claws idea would have been better than the initial "accident" explanation. But still, I don't see how anyone can hate the idea of bone claws. It makes far more sense than either the "accident" or cyber claws ideas, and makes the character even more ferocious and animal-like! If bone claws are not incorporated into movie Wolverine's character, then movie Wolverine will have a completely different origin than his comic book counterpart. Do you people want the X-Men movies to deviate farther from the comic books than they already have?!!

[Sturmwolf]

Yes, the cyber claws idea would have been better than the initial "accident" explanation. But still, I don't see how anyone can hate the idea of bone claws. It makes far more sense than either the "accident" or cyber claws ideas, and makes the character even more ferocious and animal-like! If bone claws are not incorporated into movie Wolverine's character, then movie Wolverine will have a completely different origin than his comic book counterpart. Do you people want the X-Men movies to deviate farther from the comic books than they already have?!!
What's the matter?
Different people, different opinions.
I do hate the bone claw story.
The concept is that Wolverines mutantpowers made it possible to enhance him with the bonelacing and the artifical claws.
Ferocity has nothing to do with claws.
Take a man like...say...Bill Romanowski...that man is a human beast!^^
This is a state of mind, not about some claws.
And I do think that the movies should stick to the comics...BUT...
an audience unfamiliar with the deadamantium-story won't swallow the bone claw thing!
It is downright ridiculous.
Unbelievable.
The regular cinemaaudience will laugh about it.
Comicreaders had gone a long way to get used to the story, from the point where the adamantium was pulled out till the originstory finally appeared.
But it would trash the movieverse Logan.

[Infinity9999x]

What's the matter?
Different people, different opinions.
I do hate the bone claw story.
The concept is that Wolverines mutantpowers made it possible to enhance him with the bonelacing and the artifical claws.
Ferocity has nothing to do with claws.
Take a man like...say...Bill Romanowski...that man is a human beast!^^
This is a state of mind, not about some claws.
And I do think that the movies should stick to the comics...BUT...
an audience unfamiliar with the deadamantium-story won't swallow the bone claw thing!
It is downright ridiculous.
Unbelievable.
The regular cinemaaudience will laugh about it.
Comicreaders had gone a long way to get used to the story, from the point where the adamantium was pulled out till the originstory finally appeared.
But it would trash the movieverse Logan.

Wrong, that's what I've been saying the entire time. The bone claws make more sense then the implanted claws. Why? A few reasons.

1. The audience isn't familiar with any cybertechnology. Going the cyberclaw way is even more complicated then the bone claw way. Why? Because as I've said, not only would they have had to implant a switchblade mechanisim, the mechanisim would have to be mentally activated, because he would have to learn to move invouluntary muscles in his arm in a way they've never been moved before to activate the switchblade mechanisim, and I don't even think that's possible. Besides, explaining the cybertechnology would be more complicated then saying "he already had the claws"

2.Bone claws are logical, they get rid of a long explanation of extremely advanced claws that scientits implanted, and simply say, he's a mutant born with retractable claws. That's simple, and not hard to digest at all.

3. There is no reason at all for the audience not to digest it. We've seen a mutant with wings, mutants that can shape change, mutants that can demolecularize people, mutants that that control your mind, but say "Wolverine always had his claws before the adimantium, just like he always had his bones before the surgery," and that's too hard to digest?

4. Bone claws are going to be even easier for the audience to digest then comic fans, because there wasn't 30 years of history where people believed the claws were added. People who really like Wolverine already know the bone claws have been part of his history for 10 years, it won't be hard to accept at all.

I understand you dislike the bone claws, and I can see the reason why, but saying that it'll be too hard for the audience to digest is simply false. If they can digest that a man can control metal, or fly, or suck the life force out of you, they won't have troubble believing one can be born with claws.

[ICXCNIKA]

Wrong, that's what I've been saying the entire time. The bone claws make more sense then the implanted claws. Why? A few reasons.

1. The audience isn't familiar with any cybertechnology. Going the cyberclaw way is even more complicated then the bone claw way. Why? Because as I've said, not only would they have had to implant a switchblade mechanisim, the mechanisim would have to be mentally activated, because he would have to learn to move invouluntary muscles in his arm in a way they've never been moved before to activate the switchblade mechanisim, and I don't even think that's possible. Besides, explaining the cybertechnology would be more complicated then saying "he already had the claws"

2.Bone claws are logical, they get rid of a long explanation of extremely advanced claws that scientits implanted, and simply say, he's a mutant born with retractable claws. That's simple, and not hard to digest at all.

3. There is no reason at all for the audience not to digest it. We've seen a mutant with wings, mutants that can shape change, mutants that can demolecularize people, mutants that that control your mind, but say "Wolverine always had his claws before the adimantium, just like he always had his bones before the surgery," and that's too hard to digest?

4. Bone claws are going to be even easier for the audience to digest then comic fans, because there wasn't 30 years of history where people believed the claws were added. People who really like Wolverine already know the bone claws have been part of his history for 10 years, it won't be hard to accept at all.

I understand you dislike the bone claws, and I can see the reason why, but saying that it'll be too hard for the audience to digest is simply false. If they can digest that a man can control metal, or fly, or suck the life force out of you, they won't have troubble believing one can be born with claws.

I agree with you, completely! Bone claws are the only way to go!:woot: :up:

[ICXCNIKA]

What's the matter?
Different people, different opinions.
I do hate the bone claw story.
The concept is that Wolverines mutantpowers made it possible to enhance him with the bonelacing and the artifical claws.
Ferocity has nothing to do with claws.
Take a man like...say...Bill Romanowski...that man is a human beast!^^
This is a state of mind, not about some claws.
And I do think that the movies should stick to the comics...BUT...
an audience unfamiliar with the deadamantium-story won't swallow the bone claw thing!
It is downright ridiculous.
Unbelievable.
The regular cinemaaudience will laugh about it.
Comicreaders had gone a long way to get used to the story, from the point where the adamantium was pulled out till the originstory finally appeared.
But it would trash the movieverse Logan.

I appreciate your comments, but three points come to mind: 1.) If movie Wolverine's claws are strictly mechanical, how could a mental link have been created to trigger them? That seems a little extreme to me, even by comic book standards. 2.) Without movie Woverine having natural bone claws, Origin will have to be thrown out, or severely altered. I, personally, loved Origin, and I hope the Wolverine/X-Men movies would incorporate this story into movie Logan. And Origin largely revolves around Wolverine's bone claws. If movie Logan has mechanical claws, Origin cannot be used, because Wolverine would always remain rich kid, James Howlett, and never become the "Logan" we all know. 3.) Why would audiences laugh at movie Wolverine having natural bone claws? Clearly, most people who see an X-Men-based movie generally, or seriously, know who these characters are, and thus, many are quite familiar with the bone claws story, and would even expect it. Which would cause many fans, including myself, to feel ripped off if it weren't included. But again, why would the typical movie-goer laugh at the bone claws idea?

Granted, Wolverine's ferocity is not all about his claws. However, when Wolverine was first introduced, why did he become so popular so quickly? It was both because of his ferocity, and the fact that he had claws that popped out of his hands! Many characters are ferocious--Hulk is ferocious--but these switchblade-like weapons of Logan's were the real selling point. And that's why when Wolverine got his adamantium pulled out, the writers had to find a way to give him claws again. So, they made them bone. A concept I believe makes far more sense than either the "accident" or "cyber claws" idea. The story of Wolverine getting his adamantium pulled out would not have been written if the character would then be clawless. Why? Not because Wolverine wouldn't manage without them, but because no one wants to read a Wolverine story where he doesn't have claws! That's the whole point of Wolverine! Those who don't like the bone claws idea, and think Wolverine's popularity and awesomeness is purely in his attitude, might as well suggest Wolverine shave his head, lose the mutton-chops, and stop wearing plaid shirts!

Bone claws were a brilliant idea, and made Origin the tremendous success that it was!

[Sturmwolf]

...1.) If movie Wolverine's claws are strictly mechanical, how could a mental link have been created to trigger them? That seems a little extreme to me, even by comic book standards. 2.) Without movie Woverine having natural bone claws, Origin will have to be thrown out, or severely altered.... 3.) Why would audiences laugh at movie Wolverine having natural bone claws? Clearly, most people who see an X-Men-based movie generally, or seriously, know who these characters are, and thus, many are quite familiar with the bone claws story, and would even expect it. ....
Bone claws were a brilliant idea, and made Origin the tremendous success that it was!
1)Get rid of the idea of a "mental link...to trigger"!
I don't get why you fix yourself on that thing.
Modern prothesises could explain a muscle or nerve trigger.
It is unnecessary to ride that dead pony.
2)Why do you reduce the whole Origin on the stupid BONE claws??
He has medically altered...pretty cuesome experiments...abused to a point where he lost his memory.
The claws are the least interesting part in the character growth.
Besides the laughable accident that they miss the additional bonestructure in his arms.
Another dead pony....:whatever:
3)Wrong!
You can't expect that the movieaudience is familiar with the comics!
The mainstreamaudience is seldom familiar with the original.
Like remakes, a lot of people didn't even know that they watch a remake.
[4)]The CLAWS are an essential part of the success.
NOT the material they are made of.

Please don't bring this points up against me anymore.
I regard them as invalid.
I accept them as your opinion, but don't bring them as arguments against my point of view anymore.
You force me to reexplain that in new words everytime.
:whatever:

PS:
Wolverine is one step closer to the real life than a lot of his teammates.
The movieverse Wolverine is therefore the character to associate for the audience.
He is a cinematically tool to link the real life audience to the movie-/marvelverse.
Therefore he has to be more believable than the rest.(IMO)

[superkong 500]

Well to start off didn't the script review said that wolverine would pop his bone claws first in a scene in which he's picked on as a teenager? Anyway boneclaws are a logic thing to logan. He has animalistic qualities so why not have natural retractable claws Its not far fetched or anything like that. As a matter of fact it would be more realistic than having scientists implant claws on him. They would just have to polish them and cover them with adamantium.

[ICXCNIKA]

Well to start off didn't the script review said that wolverine would pop his bone claws first in a scene in which he's picked on as a teenager? Anyway boneclaws are a logic thing to logan. He has animalistic qualities so why not have natural retractable claws Its not far fetched or anything like that. As a matter of fact it would be more realistic than having scientists implant claws on him. They would just have to polish them and cover them with adamantium.

Exactly correct! Bone claws are essential to Wolverine's very nature, being the bloodthirsty animal that he is. The character must have natural retractable bone claws. It makes perfect sense!:up:

[ICXCNIKA]

1)Get rid of the idea of a "mental link...to trigger"!
I don't get why you fix yourself on that thing.
Modern prothesises could explain a muscle or nerve trigger.
It is unnecessary to ride that dead pony.
2)Why do you reduce the whole Origin on the stupid BONE claws??
He has medically altered...pretty cuesome experiments...abused to a point where he lost his memory.
The claws are the least interesting part in the character growth.
Besides the laughable accident that they miss the additional bonestructure in his arms.
Another dead pony....:whatever:
3)Wrong!
You can't expect that the movieaudience is familiar with the comics!
The mainstreamaudience is seldom familiar with the original.
Like remakes, a lot of people didn't even know that they watch a remake.
[4)]The CLAWS are an essential part of the success.
NOT the material they are made of.

Please don't bring this points up against me anymore.
I regard them as invalid.
I accept them as your opinion, but don't bring them as arguments against my point of view anymore.
You force me to reexplain that in new words everytime.
:whatever:

PS:
Wolverine is one step closer to the real life than a lot of his teammates.
The movieverse Wolverine is therefore the character to associate for the audience.
He is a cinematically tool to link the real life audience to the movie-/marvelverse.
Therefore he has to be more believable than the rest.(IMO)

Did you actually read Origin?!! Young James Howlett's murdering Thomas Logan forced James and Rose to run away, leading James to forget his past (due to the trauma), become "Logan," and finally become the carnivorous animal we all know as "Wolverine." Without bone claws, there'd be no Wolverine. That's why I "reduce" Origin to bone claws.

And about "the laughable accident that they miss the additional bonestructure in his arms.", the original "accident" explanation for why Wolverine has adamantium claws in the first place is even more laughable. I'm not suggesting the Weapon X lab technicians missed the bone structures in his arms. As with the movies, I'm suggesting they saw the bone claws, and laced them with adamantium, too, but that they underestimated the strength and rage of Wolverine, leading Wolverine to slaughter a multitude of armed guards, and then escape. You see, it all works perfectly.:oldrazz:

[Infinity9999x]

1)Get rid of the idea of a "mental link...to trigger"!
I don't get why you fix yourself on that thing.
Modern prothesises could explain a muscle or nerve trigger.
It is unnecessary to ride that dead pony.
2)Why do you reduce the whole Origin on the stupid BONE claws??
He has medically altered...pretty cuesome experiments...abused to a point where he lost his memory.
The claws are the least interesting part in the character growth.
Besides the laughable accident that they miss the additional bonestructure in his arms.
Another dead pony....:whatever:
3)Wrong!
You can't expect that the movieaudience is familiar with the comics!
The mainstreamaudience is seldom familiar with the original.
Like remakes, a lot of people didn't even know that they watch a remake.
[4)]The CLAWS are an essential part of the success.
NOT the material they are made of.

Please don't bring this points up against me anymore.
I regard them as invalid.
I accept them as your opinion, but don't bring them as arguments against my point of view anymore.
You force me to reexplain that in new words everytime.
:whatever:

PS:
Wolverine is one step closer to the real life than a lot of his teammates.
The movieverse Wolverine is therefore the character to associate for the audience.
He is a cinematically tool to link the real life audience to the movie-/marvelverse.
Therefore he has to be more believable than the rest.(IMO)

No, modern prothesises could not explain the non mental trigger link. A HUMAN CANNOT MOVE AN INVOLUNTARY MUSCLE VOLUNTAIRLY. Wolverine, in effect, to trigger a switchblade mechanisim in his arm, would have to somehow learn to consciously move an involuntary muscle and like I said, I don't even think that's possible.

But really none of this is the point, what is is your claim that you think somehow, audiences would think bone claws laughable, and to put it mildly, you're simply wrong.

Lets forget the whole argument about why I thought bone claws were more logical and all that. Will put that aside for now. What I find incredulous is that you think that audiences, who have seen in the past X-men movies people who can fly, almost wipe out the entire human race telepathically, control metal with their minds, teleport, have blue skin and demon like looks, suck out people's life forces, or demolecularize people, would somehow find a man with claws unbelievable.

I'm sorry, but your logic there is just wrong. The audience has been displayed with examples that are far more mind boggling then natural claws.

You may think that they would somehow be confused because of the experiment that laced his skeleton with metal? Why? They don't think his skeleton is completley metal, why would they think his claws were. It's not illogical to think that his claws were part of his skeleton and simply laced with adamantium as the rest of him was.

I can understand you not liking the bone claws, there's a perfectly valid reason for you not to, but don't try to say that the bone claws are somehow illogical, or would be too hard for an audience to take in, because as I've pointed out, that's just not the case.

[Sturmwolf]

Did you actually read Origin?!!
Actually not.
I do know the story, but frankly I think it sucks.
And I won't spend any time or money on something I won't like at all.
I my eyes it is a patchwork concept to get the garbage straight that was made with this character.
They might have managed that in an aceptable way.
Toleratable by any newbie,but I will not like it.
Best put the blanket of forgetfulness about the whole bone claw thing and get on with the comics.
Only sad thing that it has to be dragged back to public with a Wolverine prequel.
:whatever:

[Sturmwolf]

and to put it mildly, you're simply wrong.
Kindergarten.^^
Your wrong...no you...
I made my point clear, believe it or not.
If you bring a new arguments or points of view I will answer.
If you just keep repeating yourself read my old postings again.
:whatever:

[Infinity9999x]

Kindergarten.^^
Your wrong...no you...
I made my point clear, believe it or not.
If you bring a new arguments or points of view I will answer.
If you just keep repeating yourself read my old postings again.
:whatever:


Well, actually I brought up several points to which you have not responded. I'm not referring to the triggering mechanisim, I'm referring to the reasons about why I believe you're wrong when you say that an audience will not accept a Wolverine with natural claws.

A claim I believe you made that stemmed from your dislike of bone claws, which, as I've said, you have a perfectly valid reason for. But to reiterate myself, you never did reply to those postings, so I don't quite understand why you say I have not brought up no no postings. I'll repost them again if you may have missed them.

Lets forget the whole argument about why I thought bone claws were more logical and all that. Will put that aside for now. What I find incredulous is that you think that audiences, who have seen in the past X-men movies people who can fly, almost wipe out the entire human race telepathically, control metal with their minds, teleport, have blue skin and demon like looks, suck out people's life forces, or demolecularize people, would somehow find a man with claws unbelievable.

I'm sorry, but your logic there is just wrong. The audience has been displayed with examples that are far more mind boggling then natural claws.

You may think that they would somehow be confused because of the experiment that laced his skeleton with metal? Why? They don't think his skeleton is completley metal, why would they think his claws were. It's not illogical to think that his claws were part of his skeleton and simply laced with adamantium as the rest of him was.

I can understand you not liking the bone claws, there's a perfectly valid reason for you not to, but don't try to say that the bone claws are somehow illogical, or would be too hard for an audience to take in, because as I've pointed out, that's just not the case.
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You see, my point in all that was, the audience has been exposed to many more mindblowing ideas then a man born with claws, so your reasoning that bone claws will somehow be too hard for an audience to grasp simply doesn't fit.

Hopefully that fixed up any confusion you may have had.



p.s. And if you haven't read Origin, it really is quite good. I know with your predisposition to bone claws, it may be hard for you to like it, but if you ignore that fact, it's really a nice Wolverine story. It really gets into his character nicely, showing that Wolverine is at heart a good person, just faced with many hardships. It also isn't completley overblown as some of the stories today are....like having Wolverine heal back from a skeleton :(

[The_Guyver]

In my opinion, bone claws make the most sense in terms of what the core essence of the character is. A wild animal. LONG before Magneto ever ripped out the adamantium from his skeleton, I thought Wolverine should've had bone claws in the first place, just as I thought Spider-Man should have organic web-shooters. Those concepts just made the most sense to me. Why should a man who has the powers of a spider need to make artificial web-shooters? When Sam Raimi introduced the idea in the first film, I was very happy. It makes sense for Spider-Man to have organic web-shooters, hence, HIS DAMN NAME. As far as bone claws not being indestructible in the way adamantium claws are, had they been written as such in the first place due to his uncharted bone density making his skeleton indestructible, they would've been accepted as readily as the adamantium concept was. When it was canon that Wolverine was GIVEN his claws as part of an experiment, to me it linked him too closely to technology, which is not something I associate with wild animals, unless it's what's keeping them captivated or controlling them. When Bryan Singer's first X-Men film introduced Wolverine's claws popping out from between his knuckles instead of his forearms/wrists, I thought it was excellent as it was what I had envisioned was best for the character for a long time. It made the most sense to me in terms of having him use muscle triggers to make them pop out and giving him optimum leverage when he attacked. Now, had Wolverine's claws popped out from his nails when he was first introduced, he would never have had the same impact he's had since. The claws, more specifically the manner in which they popped out, gave him an instant cool factor unique to him and only him. In the Marvel Universe, there are many characters with healing factors, so hypothetically, any of them could be given adamantium claws. There also plenty of tough guys and martial artists, so any one of them could take the place of a clawless Wolverine in a given story. The claws are only part of what make Wolverine who he is, but they are a BIG part. They make him the unique, feral animal we've come to know and love. The fact that he always had bone claws solidifies the fact that NOBODY made him what he is. He was born with unique gifts, it was no curse thrust upon him by a failed science experiment. He is equipped with all the tools he'll ever need to survive in a harsh environment, just as all wild animals are. This is why Wolverine is at the very top of the Marvel food chain. Right after Spider-Man, of course. Bone claws and organic web-shooters all the way baby!

[Sentinel X]

I don't know why people think the audience will be so stupid that they cannot understand the concept of bone claws. Its pretty simple, If you have an IQ of 70 and up you should be able to understand :dry:

[storm-x-fan]

I don't know why people think the audience will be so stupid that they cannot understand the concept of bone claws. Its pretty simple, If you have an IQ of 70 and up you should be able to understand :dry:

eyah i agree with u on that. and i think the movies should also anrate the concept and amke people undrstand. but the way the directors handle the movies, i dont think they can make non-x-men fans realise......:dry:

[Zombie_samurai]

the bone claws are too comic bookish for the movies, but we'll just have to wait and see what happens

[TwilightPro101]

the bone claws are too comic bookish for the movies, but we'll just have to wait and see what happens

Too comic bookish? This is a world where a man has a healing factor and metal overlacing his skeletons and people can fly and do so many other things.

Besides that if one follows Origin, it's a given that the bone claws were a natural part of his mutantion.

[cushe83]

Im at a lost for te logicv ome of you are using interm of thee films.. People don t think its nessecery to go far enough back into his life to reveal he has bone claws.....in...an...origin movie?

And I have to love the logic that wolverines bone claw would be to thin to be fitted underneath the adamantium claws despite the fact that his bones are laced with adimantium. Lets jut forget the fact that his claws are totally with in reason to have been laced with adamantium as well. I'm an on off fan and I knew this quite frankley Im suprised nobody else has seemeds to think of this.

[Bren]

Going WAAAY back, here goes.
1: The bone claws are reasonably formed, but quite small and thin. But yes, superdense and much stronger than normal bone.
2. Striker sees them when x-raying Logan before the procedure, and goes, "Hmmm, let's make them a little more useful, since everything required is already there. And there's enough space to make the adamantium 'extensions' longer..."
3. The body will REJECT foreign objects, so if Logan starts growing bone spurs, his body will fight and nuetralise them. Get rid of them, in other words. And we know his body is pretty good at protecting itself!
4. This will fit in with Logan replying to Rogue (X1) that it's sore "every time" he uses his claws. Take it a little further and say these slight yet-to-be destroyed bone spurs cause a bit of damage going through his forearm too!
5. Striker could have said "I only gave you claws" for a couple reasons. A) He's making his role far more important. Remember, he wanted Wolverine to come with him (very likely) or B) He's saying he made them useful! See point 1.

I mean, I don't read ANY comics (gasp shock), and trying to say a MUTANT in a world where people can teleport, control metal and turn into an ice man cannot have bone claws? Are you kidding?

Bone claws. Yes.

[cryptic name]

Actually not.
I do know the story, but frankly I think it sucks.
And I won't spend any time or money on something I won't like at all.
I my eyes it is a patchwork concept to get the garbage straight that was made with this character.
They might have managed that in an aceptable way.
Toleratable by any newbie,but I will not like it.
Best put the blanket of forgetfulness about the whole bone claw thing and get on with the comics.
Only sad thing that it has to be dragged back to public with a Wolverine prequel.
:whatever:

the fact that you cast an opinion on something you've never read, and disregaurd its significance based on this unfounded opinion kind of invalidates your argument.

[YJ1]

I do hate the bone claw story.

I still thoroughly HATE the bone claw concept. I refuse to acknowledge that they ever existed. (Just like the Spider-Man clone and teenage Tony Stark, that bone crap is easy to mentally block out)

Bone claws in the movie would be truly awful. This is different then the organic web shooter debate or Galacticloud.

[cushe83]

I still thoroughly HATE the bone claw concept. I refuse to acknowledge that they ever existed. (Just like the Spider-Man clone and teenage Tony Stark, that bone crap is easy to mentally block out)

Bone claws in the movie would be truly awful. This is different then the organic web shooter debate or Galacticloud.


Your right it is different , due to the fact that it was a major story arc with in the characters history. It cant be ignored simple as that.

[odiin]

I still thoroughly HATE the bone claw concept. I refuse to acknowledge that they ever existed. (Just like the Spider-Man clone and teenage Tony Stark, that bone crap is easy to mentally block out)

Bone claws in the movie would be truly awful. This is different then the organic web shooter debate or Galacticloud.

I hate it too, but it does make sense from an entertainment standpoint. People aren't going to be rushing into theaters to see a movie about Wolverine if he doesn't have his signature claws in some form. So I'm willing to deal with it even if I don't like it.

[Chaos Bringer]

i think the bone claws are 'el stupido' and it isn't what claremont would've wanted.

[co2]

I'm an oldschool fan admittedly, but I'm open minded. Heck I even think organic web-shooters are better than mechanical.
But I have always HATED the boneclaw concept that came about in the 90's. 90's were a bad time for comics and this was one of the very bad ideas that came from this time. I always thought it was more tragic for Wolverine to have the claws be an aspect of being converted into a weapon. More interesting. The bone claw thing makes him less appealing to me and more silly.