What the Hell? Bumblebee a CAMARO!!??

[anubiscomplex]

So I see these 2 pages and ran across these details..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee_(Transformers)
-"In the upcoming live-action film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_%282007_film%29) Bumblebee will be a Chevrolet Camaro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Camaro)."

...AND...

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8127/-"Bumblebee will start out as a 1970s Camaro, but after some unannounced difficulties over the course of the film (http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8127/#), he gets rebuilt as a 2008/09 Camaro"

This is one of the most popular and remembered TF toy.
You mean to tell me they couldn't keep Bumblebee a Voltzwagon Beetle?
They JUST remade that model car not too long ago. I can already see where this is going..Please Mr. Bay, don't make this movie suck..

[CFlash]

Old news. VW suppossedly bailed out. What's worse is that Bumblebee received very little support from the "fans"... who see a hot-rod, obnoxious, "The Fast & The Furious" Bumblebee as somehow "cool." :rolleyes:

IMO, Bumblebee represented the heart of the Transformers Story with its environmental themes...

"...get with it! I only require a drop of fuel to run, so I'm going to explore this whole planet."
-Bumblebee - Transformers Issue #1

Apparently a gas-guzzling 8-cyl! muscle-car is somehow faithful to this vision.

[anubiscomplex]

Oh well..at least (VW pulling out of the deal) would be a good reason to not have the beetle...
wow..BAD move on VW's part.

Great Quote CFLASH, I conquer 100%

[zer00]

Old news. VW suppossedly bailed out. What's worse is that Bumblebee received very little support from the "fans"... who see a hot-rod, obnoxious, "The Fast & The Furious" Bumblebee as somehow "cool." :rolleyes:

IMO, Bumblebee represented the heart of the Transformers Story with its environmental themes...

"...get with it! I only require a drop of fuel to run, so I'm going to explore this whole planet."
-Bumblebee - Transformers Issue #1

Apparently a gas-guzzling 8-cyl! muscle-car is somehow faithful to this vision.

Attempt not to be a near sighted douchebag for 15 seconds and maybe your point would come across without hurting the IQ of others.

[Casius--J]

Oh VW dropped out, now it makes sense. I could not for the life of me figure out the point in changing bumblebee into a camaro.

[WalkingDead]

Oh VW dropped out, now it makes sense. I could not for the life of me figure out the point in changing bumblebee into a camaro.
Yeah VW won't let Hasbro have any rights to make any Transformer modeled after their products. VW doesn't want their products associated with any war-like toys and since TF's is about a war between two factions...well you see the point.

[Casius--J]

Yeah VW won't let Hasbro have any rights to make any Transformer modeled after their products. VW doesn't want their products associated with any war-like toys and since TF's is about a war between two factions...well you see the point.


Ah right that makes sense to me, gotta respect them for their decision although i dont like it.

[Otis Driftwood]

Yeah VW won't let Hasbro have any rights to make any Transformer modeled after their products. VW doesn't want their products associated with any war-like toys and since TF's is about a war between two factions...well you see the point.
I guess they've wised up considering their last war related products weren't exactly the best PR campaign ever.:D

[anubiscomplex]

Attempt not to be a near sighted douchebag for 15 seconds and maybe your point would come across without hurting the IQ of others.

What the heck was THAT??

[CFlash]

Attempt not to be a near sighted douchebag for 15 seconds and maybe your point would come across without hurting the IQ of others.

What's your problem dude? Get a life.

[Octoberist]

I don't see what's the big deal is with Bubblebee being a Camaro. I don't.

I can see how it's a big deal making...Megatron as a jet or a toaster, whatever, but to me this is not a big issue.

[CFlash]

I don't see what's the big deal is with Bubblebee being a Camaro. I don't.

I can see how it's a big deal making...Megatron as a jet or a toaster, whatever, but to me this is not a big issue.

Didn't you also say Transformers didn't have a mythology or philosophy? And was just about ROBOTS... THAT Transform into things?

Well, there was a mythology and there was a philosophy... with strong environmental protection themes. Bumblebee was kinda the main icon for that particular theme.

[SilentType]

I never knew there were fanboys for an 80's cartoon based on toys.
It never crossed my mind.
Are there also He-man and Thundercats groupies?

I'm not insulting you, btw. It's just as legit as any other form of fanboyism, I suppose. I just never realized there were 80's cartoon purists.

[WalkingDead]

I never knew there were fanboys for an 80's cartoon based on toys.
It never crossed my mind.
Are there also He-man and Thundercats groupies?

I'm not insulting you, btw. It's just as legit as any other form of fanboyism, I suppose. I just never realized there were 80's cartoon purists.
Yes their are fanboys for just about any 80's property.

I myself am a huge fan of Transformers as a whole (not just the old cartoon). I am also a fan of He-Man, Thundercats, Voltron, and a few others.

[CFlash]

Yes their are fanboys for just about any 80's property.

I myself am a huge fan of Transformers as a whole (not just the old cartoon). I am also a fan of He-Man, Thundercats, Voltron, and a few others.

While I loved all those other guys too... I think only really Transformers had the mature teen or tween vibe... more akin to TMNT (the comic) or stuff like that than anything else.

Like G.I. Joe, part of Transformers longevity stems from its successul comic book run which gave the rest of the franchise a sort of "credibility" that went beyond it being a simple "toon."

[Zombie-tastic]

I heard that VW pulled out because they didn't want their cars associated with war. Originally, they developed cars for the third reich and Hitler in WWII, so that is understandable. To be honest, I just hope that Bumblebee bears some resemblance to what he looked like for so many years.

From recent reports at the Hoover Dam, Bumblebee stands 25 feet tall and looks "awesome." We shall see about that.

http://superherohype.com/news/transformersnews.php?id=4374

[CFlash]

I heard that VW pulled out because they didn't want their cars associated with war. Originally, they developed cars for the third reich and Hitler in WWII, so that is understandable. To be honest, I just hope that Bumblebee bears some resemblance to what he looked like for so many years.

From recent reports at the Hoover Dam, Bumblebee stands 25 feet tall and looks "awesome." We shall see about that.

http://superherohype.com/news/transformersnews.php?id=4374

25 ft seems a bit tall... classically he was 15ft- not so super-imposing, which is why he was the human liason.

Though I guess even a 15 foot robot is imposing no matter what. So 25 ft isn't much of a stretch. I dunno.

[roach]

since he wont be a Beetle anything else they make him wont be faithful to the character's look.....so do they include BB as a different alt mode or not have him in the film.

[WalkingDead]

25 ft seems a bit tall... classically he was 15ft- not so super-imposing, which is why he was the human liason.

Though I guess even a 15 foot robot is imposing no matter what. So 25 ft isn't much of a stretch. I dunno.

It's funny...depending on the episode, comic artist, and/or writer...Bumblebee has been anywhere from 8ft to 16ft tall. As a general rule most consider him to be around 12-13ft tall these days.

[Speedball]

Who cares if he's a camaro or a beetle. He's yellow, and is a car. But then again, Hot shot is yellow, and would fit being a camaro more.
Anyway. As long as his personality is the same, i'm cool with it.

[Dope Nose]

here's a photo of Bumblebee that someone posted in another thread

http://www.flickr.com/photos/74043690@N00/162405466/in/set-72157594158652163/

[Arcturus]

Nice!

[Mal'Akai]

To all those complaining about Bumblebee being a Camaro in the movie, please direct your gripes toward Volkswagen. It's their fault, they wouldn't let the studio use their cars. Please go rant to them.

[CFlash]

To all those complaining about Bumblebee being a Camaro in the movie, please direct your gripes toward Volkswagen. It's their fault, they wouldn't let the studio use their cars. Please go rant to them.

Again with the VW thing?! *Sigh*
I couldn't care less if he was a Volkswagen.
I just don't think he should be a hotrod MUSCLE car. :rolleyes:

[GhostPoet]

I was never a HUGE fan of Bumblebee. I thought he was important to have in the story...but he certainly wasn't my favorite. I don't care what form he takes.

I only care that they ACT like themselves...and not cold machines. The Autobots have to have great character growth amongst themselves.

[WalkingDead]

I only care that they ACT like themselves...and not cold machines. The Autobots have to have great character growth amongst themselves.
That is the MAIN thing I want outta thsi film...is for the TF's to have good characterization and not be secondary machines that have no emotion or individual traits.

[ragdus]

Again with the VW thing?! *Sigh*
I couldn't care less if he was a Volkswagen.
I just don't think he should be a hotrod MUSCLE car. :rolleyes:

WE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[CFlash]

WE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:down :down :down :down :down :down

Apparently Ghostpoet didn't.

[ragdus]

Not everyone who addresses the VW topic is talking directly to you.

[CFlash]

Not everyone who addresses the VW topic is talking directly to you.

Not everyone who responds to the VW topic is talking to *you.* In fact, I wasn't.

[ragdus]

I never pretended you were.

[CFlash]

I never pretended you were.

You don't see me responding to Walking Dead's post above about his "want" for this movie with "Yeah, we know you said that already."... which is actually more polite than your post.

Try to keep your posts intelligent. Make a point about the movie. Don't make it personal.

[ragdus]

Don't make it personal.

come on now! like the whole camaro issue isn't intensely personal to you? let's call it like it is at least!

here's my point about the movie: i'll reserve judgement on the integrity of the film until I see it. i'm not going to pretend that bumblebee or any other transformer can't be true to character if they don't mimic their G1 alt mode.

maybe you ought to just chill a little and see how it plays out? your fears may very well be proven justified. and if so I'll be on here complaining right along side you at the poor quality of the film. but let's wait for a more appropriate time to do so.

[CFlash]

come on now! like the whole camaro issue isn't intensely personal to you? let's call it like it is at least!

here's my point about the movie: i'll reserve judgement on the integrity of the film until I see it. i'm not going to pretend that bumblebee or any other transformer can't be true to character if they don't mimic their G1 alt mode.

maybe you ought to just chill a little and see how it plays out? your fears may very well be proven justified. and if so I'll be on here complaining right along side you at the poor quality of the film. but let's wait for a more appropriate time to do so.

Hey. I capitulated on the BB thing already. As well as the "environmental" themes of the original TF story.
I was just responding to the VW fallacy... which some people state as "fact" when it's a fallacious argument and should be corrected... even by those that like the muscle-car, souped up, cooler-than-cool hot-rod BB.
That's all.

[WalkingDead]

those that like the muscle-car, souped up, cooler-than-cool hot-rod BB. That's all.

Okay...remember though CFlash...Bumblebee IS NOT going to be a suped-up, cooler-than-cool hot rod...he's a junker Camero...one that's beaten up, dented, scratched, rusted, and is RUMORED to have engine and axle problems.

He doesn't get suped-up and turned into a hot rod until after something major happens to him and he gets his newer alt. mode/upgrade. Which is EXTREMELY similiar to how Bumblebee was rebuilt into Goldbug. Goldbug was also faster (by a lot), had better maneuverability, MORE fuel-efficent, and stronger than Bumblebee ever was.

If all the rumors turn out to be true, Bumblebee isn't a hot rod at all...he's a junker car that's worse off than an old Beetle. It's not until his upgrade that he becomes a hot rod car...much like how Goldbug was much faster and stronger than Bumblebee ever was.

[Arcturus]

Since Bumblebee wont be a VW, would you kind folks prefer it if they made him a piece of **** station wagon that reeks of pot with some fat guy named Carl passed out in the drivers seat?

[WalkingDead]

Since Bumblebee wont be a VW, would you kind folks prefer it if they made him a piece of **** station wagon that reeks of pot with some fat guy named Carl passed out in the drivers seat?
LOL...
I can see a fight brewing on this one.

[Arcturus]

LOL...
I can see a fight brewing on this one.

If they take offense to that, then I don't know what to say. I think the debate on Bumblebee has been tried, tested and true. What else can be said?

Anyways;

I'd be more then happy if they kept bumblebee's original alt form, but for whatever reason they didn't. Am I upset about it? No. I'm fine with this new alt form. I just think people are blowing this out of proportion, sure they have a right to be upset, and they sure have a right to opinion. But so do I, and I don't think it's that big of a deal.

[ru8up75]

maybe they should have made him a Toyota Yaris

[ComicKoryn]

Bumblebee is more like Rodimus in this movie. It's like a mix of the two.

[Radford]

Porsche is the same way as VW these days.

they dont want their cars used in war-like fashion.


so Jazz, being my favorite as a kid, is more than likely ruined for me.


i understand the car companies decisions. but i dont like it. :down

[anubiscomplex]

If VW doesn't want their precious bug in this movie, fine. But not a Camaro/muscle car...yes I know, it's a 1970 busted up Camaro, but it ENDS up looking like a muscle car. Look at those pix man..it looks like something outta Tokyo Drift. Remember that Bumble is one of the smaller guys in TF. If Bumble is as big as a 70's Cam, he'd have to tranform and end up BIGGER than Jazz, Hot Rod, and most of the other car-guys. I mean if Sound Wave ends up 4 ft high to keep it believable, they gotta do the same for BB.

At least give this guy a small model body...like..Mini Cooper? Geo Metro?
Golf cart, shooping cart. W/e makes him smaller.
LIKE...

http://b.im.craigslist.org/pb/20/Ks5izvVYpNKfVmO4gzTS5xEoWJlh.jpg

It's even got the Yellow & Black design!

http://a.im.craigslist.org/wF/ts/r2KQFy2omo1jUJGrOcV3x2pFrJsF.jpg


Check out the comparison...

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/comparison/2006/mini.cooper.convertible/group.act.500.jpg

More acceptable than..

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/sallokin/PICT1245.jpg

or..

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/sallokin/PICT1217.jpg

[anubiscomplex]

Forgot to mention...
There's been about 10 people already, who have seen BumbleBee.

Why the hell have no pics been taken?
Does somebody need me to buy them a camera phone?
Cone on now...Let's get on the ball people!

[ragdus]

maybe BMW didn't want them using a mini either? who knows? who cares?

people it's not like the character of bumblebee can not exist outside the realm of compact passenger vehicles. the alt mode is not who the character is. it's just how he/she/it hides.

[CFlash]

maybe BMW didn't want them using a mini either? who knows? who cares?

people it's not like the character of bumblebee can not exist outside the realm of compact passenger vehicles. the alt mode is not who the character is. it's just how he/she/it hides.

Really?
Is it OK with you if Optimus transforms into a Trans-am?

[ragdus]

I'd prefer him to transform into a tree. A Redwood. It's large, majestic, and sends an excellent earth-friendly message.

seriously though, it's not like they're having lil ole bumblebee transform into a yellow aircraft carrier, flash. it's a moderate change. and as for going from junker to new & improved vehicle, there's already established precedent for it, so to me it's not akin to gleefully spooning satan.

[anubiscomplex]

...seriously though, it's not like they're having lil ole bumblebee transform into a yellow aircraft carrier, flash. it's a moderate change. and as for going from junker to new & improved vehicle, there's already established precedent for it, so to me it's not akin to gleefully spooning satan.

Yeah, but thats WAAAY to extreme a change..from a small earth friendly eco-saving VW to a gas guzzler power car..this is one change in particular that changes the whole persona of who Bumblebee is and stands for...

My take on this is...maybe Bay should read some TF comics or watch a couple of episodes...I mean really..how many poeple so far were expecting BB to be a VW? or equivalent? Bay should be the FIRST to interseed this..

[CFlash]

Yeah, but thats WAAAY to extreme a change..from a small earth friendly eco-saving VW to a gas guzzler power car..this is one change in particular that changes the whole persona of who Bumblebee is and stands for...

My take on this is...maybe Bay should read some TF comics or watch a couple of episodes...I mean really..how many poeple so far were expecting BB to be a VW? or equivalent? Bay should be the FIRST to interseed this..


I agree. In a time where hot-rods were quite popular (Knight Rider, Miami Vice, The Wraith, Back to the Future), I wonder why Jim Shooter and Bob Budiansky picked the little yellow minibot to be the main introductory character in Transformers. They were given free reign by Hasbro to create the "characters" and backstory.... they could have easily picked Windcharger- he was a hot-rod.

[ragdus]

Yeah, but thats WAAAY to extreme a change..from a small earth friendly eco-saving VW to a gas guzzler power car..this is one change in particular that changes the whole persona of who Bumblebee is and stands for...

My take on this is...maybe Bay should read some TF comics or watch a couple of episodes...I mean really..how many poeple so far were expecting BB to be a VW? or equivalent? Bay should be the FIRST to interseed this..

Again you just assume he has totally forgotten to think about it. Maybe there's an excellent reason he didn't just choose a modern compact? I mean, has anyone asked yet?

[Dope Nose]

I'd prefer him to transform into a tree. A Redwood. It's large, majestic, and sends an excellent earth-friendly message.

anyone remember the Go-Bots' Rock Lords? how ridiculous a concept was that?

[CFlash]

Again you just assume he has totally forgotten to think about it. Maybe there's an excellent reason he didn't just choose a modern compact? I mean, has anyone asked yet?

Cool factor? The Fast & The Furious factor? The appease NASCAR fans factor? Have-a-race-against-the-school-bully-and-get-the-girl factor?

I mean, what reason do you think he had?

[ragdus]

I agree. In a time where hot-rods were quite popular (Knight Rider, Miami Vice, The Wraith, Back to the Future), I wonder why Jim Shooter and Bob Budiansky picked the little yellow minibot to be the main introductory character in Transformers. They were given free reign by Hasbro to create the "characters" and backstory.... they could have easily picked Windcharger- he was a hot-rod.

Hey you're right. They chose the little yellow mini-bot. And there's nothing to indicate they haven't chosen a little yellow minibot here either. We haven't seen his robot mode, so you have no idea what his size is going to be when he transforms. It's certainly going to be significantly smaller and crappier than a semi-truck, I assure you that.

BB was the dumpy fixer-upper who probably didn't belong but hung in there anyway because he had character, heart and fortitude. Anyone see a photo yet that suggest what it really takes to pull off BB has been stripped away? So far we've got a dumpy yellow fixer-upper. Yeah, he goes glam apparently. So did BB. So hey it's sticking to existing source material. Just not the particular material that suits you. Which is fine. They'll probably do stuff I don't like that others will. It happens. They had to make some concessions once VW but the kibosh on the Beetle idea...

[CFlash]

Again you just assume he has totally forgotten to think about it. Maybe there's an excellent reason he didn't just choose a modern compact? I mean, has anyone asked yet?

Cool factor? The Fast & The Furious factor? The appease NASCAR fans factor? Have-a-race-against-the-school-bully-and-get-the-girl factor?

I mean, what reason do you think he had?

[GhostPoet]

I always thought the VW made him look fat. =)

[ragdus]

Cool factor? The Fast & The Furious factor? The appease NASCAR fans factor? Have-a-race-against-the-school-bully-and-get-the-girl factor?

I mean, what reason do you think he had?

Reasons I think he had:

Modern day compact cars don't represent the character of BB in any way other than they're small. A crappy aging vehicle that can't keep up with modern day engineering does. A decrepit Camaro looks more out of place next to modern cars, trucks, tanks, jets, and so on than a brand new Toyota Yaris or Chevy Aveo. If you see these modern cars, with a crappy beat up Camaro in the mix, you look at the Camaro and think "what's that doing there?" Just like you'd think of BB when it comes time to oppose the Decepticons.

Additionally, while perhaps it would have made sense to choose another aging car model from around the same time frame to insert instead of the Beetle, I think every one of us would have sighed if Sam's new car/bot was a K car. What the beetle had that those other small cars didn't was personality in spades. Sam isn't going to fall in love with a ****ty K car. He is going to fall in love with a Camaro, no matter how crappy it is, because it can be so much more. Again, just like BB. The beat up wreck of a car that'll rise above his shortcomings to be great.

But hey maybe none of that stuff counts...

[CFlash]

Hey you're right. They chose the little yellow mini-bot. And there's nothing to indicate they haven't chosen a little yellow minibot here either. We haven't seen his robot mode, so you have no idea what his size is going to be when he transforms. It's certainly going to be significantly smaller and crappier than a semi-truck, I assure you that.

BB was the dumpy fixer-upper who probably didn't belong but hung in there anyway because he had character, heart and fortitude. Anyone see a photo yet that suggest what it really takes to pull off BB has been stripped away? So far we've got a dumpy yellow fixer-upper. Yeah, he goes glam apparently. So did BB. So hey it's sticking to existing source material. Just not the particular material that suits you. Which is fine. They'll probably do stuff I don't like that others will. It happens. They had to make some concessions once VW but the kibosh on the Beetle idea...

AFAIK Goldbug was still a beetle... albeit possibly a pimped up one.

Anyway, I don't think you got my point. Windcharger was a minibot as well. A Trans-am no less... so he would be attainable and "desirable" by teenagers as a junker or otherwise. Why didn't Jim Shooter and Bob Budiansky choose him?

[CFlash]

Reasons I think he had:

Modern day compact cars don't represent the character of BB in any way other than they're small. A crappy aging vehicle that can't keep up with modern day engineering does. A decrepit Camaro looks more out of place next to modern cars, trucks, tanks, jets, and so on than a brand new Toyota Yaris or Chevy Aveo. If you see these modern cars, with a crappy beat up Camaro in the mix, you look at the Camaro and think "what's that doing there?" Just like you'd think of BB when it comes time to oppose the Decepticons.

Additionally, while perhaps it would have made sense to choose another aging car model from around the same time frame to insert instead of the Beetle, I think every one of us would have sighed if Sam's new car/bot was a K car. What the beetle had that those other small cars didn't was personality in spades. Sam isn't going to fall in love with a ****ty K car. He is going to fall in love with a Camaro, no matter how crappy it is, because it can be so much more. Again, just like BB. The beat up wreck of a car that'll rise above his shortcomings to be great.

But hey maybe none of that stuff counts...

Good point.

Though in response to this: "Modern day compact cars don't represent the character of BB in any way other than they're small."
Well, I think mini-coopers totally represent BB.
[edit]
I do see your fixer upper point... it's a good one... though I'm not sure I prefer that to the eco-friendly theme. I guess I'm more of a hippie than a greasemonkey.

[WalkingDead]

Hey you're right. They chose the little yellow mini-bot. And there's nothing to indicate they haven't chosen a little yellow minibot here either. We haven't seen his robot mode, so you have no idea what his size is going to be when he transforms. It's certainly going to be significantly smaller and crappier than a semi-truck, I assure you that.

BB was the dumpy fixer-upper who probably didn't belong but hung in there anyway because he had character, heart and fortitude. Anyone see a photo yet that suggest what it really takes to pull off BB has been stripped away? So far we've got a dumpy yellow fixer-upper. Yeah, he goes glam apparently. So did BB. So hey it's sticking to existing source material. Just not the particular material that suits you. Which is fine. They'll probably do stuff I don't like that others will. It happens. They had to make some concessions once VW but the kibosh on the Beetle idea...


Reasons I think he had:

Modern day compact cars don't represent the character of BB in any way other than they're small. A crappy aging vehicle that can't keep up with modern day engineering does. A decrepit Camaro looks more out of place next to modern cars, trucks, tanks, jets, and so on than a brand new Toyota Yaris or Chevy Aveo. If you see these modern cars, with a crappy beat up Camaro in the mix, you look at the Camaro and think "what's that doing there?" Just like you'd think of BB when it comes time to oppose the Decepticons.

Additionally, while perhaps it would have made sense to choose another aging car model from around the same time frame to insert instead of the Beetle, I think every one of us would have sighed if Sam's new car/bot was a K car. What the beetle had that those other small cars didn't was personality in spades. Sam isn't going to fall in love with a ****ty K car. He is going to fall in love with a Camaro, no matter how crappy it is, because it can be so much more. Again, just like BB. The beat up wreck of a car that'll rise above his shortcomings to be great.


I totally agree with you here...totally...despite BB becoming a camero, he's still got almost all of the qualities Bumblebee always had, from what I've heard/read from the rumors.

[ragdus]

And the new camaro is still a camaro, just a pimped out one. and if they had permission to use a beetle in this one, he'd have been a pimped out beetle instead of that camaro.

"The original toy that became Bumblebee was originally released by Takara in 1983 as part of the Micro Change subset of the Japanese Microman line. He was released in the US in 1984."

The Beetle was chosen because they already had a toy for it. Not because he was small. Not because he had fuel economy. Not because he represented all that was good and earth friendly. They shoehorned the persona into a preexisting character.

[CFlash]

The original toy that became Bumblebee was originally released by Takara in 1983 as part of the Micro Change subset of the Japanese Microman line. He was released in the US in 1984."

The Beetle was chosen because they already had a toy for it. Not because he was small. Not because he had fuel economy. Not because he represented all that was good and earth friendly. They shoehorned the persona into a preexisting character.

Huh? The Takara toy that would become Windcharger existed as well. Why didn't the Marvel writers commissioned by Hasbro have Spike/Buster's first car be Windcharger? That's the question.

[WalkingDead]

Huh? The Takara toy that would become Windcharger existed as well. Why didn't the Marvel writers commissioned by Hasbro have Spike/Buster's first car be Windcharger? That's the question.
You know why, everyone does...

It was cause of Bumblebee's persona. If BB's personality and character traits would have been given to Windcharger or Cliffjumper or hell, even Huffer...that character would have been the human liason character. But none of those characters had BB's traits...so BB was the main human relations character. Windcharger or Cliffjumper could have had BB's persona, but they didn't. And in reality it's a great thing they didn't.

[CFlash]

You know why, everyone does...

It was cause of Bumblebee's persona. If BB's personality and character traits would have been given to Windcharger or Cliffjumper or hell, even Huffer...that character would have been the human liason character. But none of those characters had BB's traits...so BB was the main human relations character. Windcharger or Cliffjumper could have had BB's persona, but they didn't. And in reality it's a great thing they didn't.

Dude, the marvel guys WROTE the characters! These toys were blank slates! They could have given Windcharger "BB"'s persona!!!!!

[edit]
What I'm saying is that the writers had a set of cars to write for.
They must have said "OK, we have a Trans-am (ironically also a Camaro in some molds) and a Beetle.... pretty much the only two in the bunch that a teenager could attain. Who do we want to make the human-relate one.... and let's write his bio and the story around him."

[WalkingDead]

Dude, the marvel guys WROTE the characters! These toys were blank slates! They could have given Windcharger BB's persona!!!!!
Re-Read what I said...
I said EXACTLY THAT.
So calm the frig down.


To Quote Myself:
If BB's personality and character traits would have been given to Windcharger or Cliffjumper or hell, even Huffer...that character would have been the human liason character.

[ragdus]

I don't know. You'd have to ask Hasbro.

[CFlash]

And to quote myself:

What I'm saying is that the writers had a set of cars to write for.
They must have said "OK, we have a Trans-am (ironically also a Camaro in some molds) and a Beetle.... pretty much the only two in the bunch that a teenager could attain. Who do we want to make the human-relate one.... and let's write his bio and the story around him."

I'm asking you why they didn't pick Windcharger? You're assuming they had "personalities" to write around and that's why they picked BB. They didn't. These toys had no pre-written personality.

So the question is: Why the Beetle and not the Trans-am (or the Camaro).

[CFlash]

I don't know. You'd have to ask Hasbro.

Not Hasbro. The Marvel guys commissioned to create the bios and backstory.

[WalkingDead]

I don't know. You'd have to ask Hasbro.
Well according to Bob Budiansky, the guy who wrote almost all the first 3 years of Tech Specs and writer of the early TF Comics, Hasbro didn't care how Marvel did it. They just wanted characters that could be marketable for young boys so that the original toyline would sale.

Bumblebee was given his persona, like everyone else and therefore because of what type of character he was and who he was...he was the introductory character for the comics.

As for the cartoon, Optimus Prime was a bit more of the introductory character, if you watch the first 3 episodes...Prime introduces the TF's to Sparkplug and Spike. Spike also talks more about Prime than the others. It wasn't until Transformers was picked up for a Full Season, after the first 3 episodes did so well ratings-wise that Bumblebee and Spike were paired up and Bumblebee was given a more human relations stance.

[ragdus]

Not Hasbro. The Marvel guys commissioned to create the bios and backstory.

And assuredly Hasbro had no input. I mean, if I'm the head of a toy company, and ultimately I want to sell toys, I certainly wouldn't want one of my most friendly and engaging characters to be one that was small, easy and cheap to manufacture in mass quantities for maximum profit.

[ragdus]

Well according to Bob Budiansky, the guy who wrote almost all the first 3 years of Tech Specs and writer of the early TF Comics, Hasbro didn't care how Marvel did it. They just wanted characters that could be marketable for young boys so that the original toyline would sale.

But that means they did care. See my previous post to see what I mean. I'm not claiming I'm right in my speculation, because it's just that. But it's just as likely an impetus as anything else.

[WalkingDead]

And assuredly Hasbro had no input. I mean, if I'm the head of a toy company, and ultimately I want to sell toys, I certainly wouldn't want one of my most friendly and engaging characters to be one that was small, easy and cheap to manufacture in mass quantities for maximum profit.
If memory serves me...Hasbro developers came up with who Optimus Prime was...I know Bob Bud had no control over Prime, since Prime's character was developed BEFORE he was hired to do anything with Transformers.

Also I think Megatron was developed before Bob Bub was hired too, but Bub re-did the character traits of Megatron. Though I could be a bit mixed up on this one...but I think that's how it went.

[WalkingDead]

Also, as an interesting side note...

Starscream & Skywarp's Tech Spec Data Numbers were mixed up.

Thundercracker was originally Sidewinder and had totally different abilities.

Sideswipe & Sunstreaker's Tech Specs were switched, which is why they have the weapons and abilities the other should have.

Hound & Mirage's Tech Specs were also switched.

Cliffjumper was originally called Gutcruncher, but was changed literally 3 days before release.

[CFlash]

Well according to Bob Budiansky, the guy who wrote almost all the first 3 years of Tech Specs and writer of the early TF Comics, Hasbro didn't care how Marvel did it. They just wanted characters that could be marketable for young boys so that the original toyline would sale.

Bumblebee was given his persona, like everyone else and therefore because of what type of character he was and who he was...he was the introductory character for the comics.

As for the cartoon, Optimus Prime was a bit more of the introductory character, if you watch the first 3 episodes...Prime introduces the TF's to Sparkplug and Spike. Spike also talks more about Prime than the others. It wasn't until Transformers was picked up for a Full Season, after the first 3 episodes did so well ratings-wise that Bumblebee and Spike were paired up and Bumblebee was given a more human relations stance.

It was actually Jim Shooter that did the original treatment and backstory... though Bob Budiansky did run with it and expanded on it.

And, I'm not sure if the chicken and egg thing is correct. "Bumblebee was given his persona, like everyone else and therefore because of what type of character he was and who he was...he was the introductory character for the comics."


I don't know. BB was the introductory character because they chose to make him so and wrote his bio accordingly. Jim Shooter or Bob already had this "puzzle" and backstory put together. They easily could have chosen Windcharger, given him BB's traits and be done. But they didn't. That's my point.

[CFlash]

And assuredly Hasbro had no input. I mean, if I'm the head of a toy company, and ultimately I want to sell toys, I certainly wouldn't want one of my most friendly and engaging characters to be one that was small, easy and cheap to manufacture in mass quantities for maximum profit.

BB was pretty much given away for free.

[WalkingDead]

It was actually Jim Shooter that did the original treatment and backstory... though Bob Budiansky did run with it and expanded on it.

And, I'm not sure if the chicken and egg thing is correct. "Bumblebee was given his persona, like everyone else and therefore because of what type of character he was and who he was...he was the introductory character for the comics."


I don't know. BB was the introductory character because they chose to make him so and wrote his bio accordingly. Jim Shooter or Bob already had this "puzzle" and backstory put together. They easily could have chosen Windcharger, given him BB's traits and be done. But they didn't. That's my point.
And I NEVER argued that point with you...I've been agreeing with you. Windcharger COULD HAVE been given BB's traits, but he didn't.

And Yes...Jim Shooter came up with Cybertron, the original 4-issue story arc, the war between the two Factions, the names Autobots & Decepticons, and plotted out most of the inital 4-issue story. Bob Budiansky wrote up almost all the characters himself though.

[ragdus]

You know it could have been decided on a coin flip. We don't know. The big thing is that ultimately it doesn't matter. BB should be a car that a kid would love, and that love is the bridge that connects two alien races. I think the junky Camaro we see can accomplish that.

Enjoy your day all! I'll get back to tossing this hot potato tomorrow perhaps!

[CFlash]

And I NEVER argued that point with you...I've been agreeing with you. Windcharger COULD HAVE been given BB's traits, but he didn't.

And Yes...Jim Shooter came up with Cybertron, the original 4-issue story arc, and plotted out most of the inital 4-issue story. Bob Budiansky wrote up almost all the characters himself.

I know. I'm not arguing either. I'm ASKING-- philosophically--- why you think BB was made the main character and given his "qualities" and not Windcharger? (keeping in mind that these toys were personality-less).

[edit]
Was it a coin toss like ragdus says? I don't believe that. I don't know any writer that works that way. I'm sure there were reasons. But who knows.

[WalkingDead]

I know. I'm not arguing either. I'm ASKING-- philosophically--- why you think BB was made the main character and given his "qualities" and not Windcharger? (keeping in mind that these toys were personality-less).

I have to say it like this...
Bumblebee got his persona, his character traits, and his abilities based on his robot design, his alt. mode, and his overall vibe. He was written as the smallest, when infact Cliffjumper and Gears were originally the same size...but BB was made the smallest to give him that underdog treatment to go along with his friendly nature and his hard-working, never give up ethic.

I've NEVER denied the fact that many of the original TF's were given their persona and traits because of their alt. modes. Many of them were given their personalities and abilties solely cause of what they turned into or how they looked overall. Bumblebee included. If you look at the toys, Bumblebee looks much weaker than say Huffer or Windcharger. The only one who looks as weak as BB is Cliffjumper, but story-wise Cliffjumper was not weak, he was a fast, hard-hitting little bot.


So the reason why Bumblebee had his persona is due to his look, alt. mode, and his overall feel. Which is what you've wanted to hear this whole time....
HOWEVER, I do NOT feel that Bumblebee can't still be who he is just because he's been given a new alt. mode....junker muscle car or not. Because unless they make a lot of radical changes, BB is still going to be the underdog...he's still gonna have the eager, friendly, and keep on trying attitude and personality we all know Bumblebee to have. His alt. mode isn't some suped-up mega race car that can dust everyone. IT'S A BEATEN UP JUNKER CAR...camero or not.

[CFlash]

I have to say it like this...
Bumblebee got his persona, his character traits, and his abilities based on his robot design, his alt. mode, and his overall vibe. He was written as the smallest, when infact Cliffjumper and Gears were originally the same size...but BB was made the smallest to give him that underdog treatment to go along with his friendly nature and his hard-working, never give up ethic.

I've NEVER denied the fact that many of the original TF's were given their persona and traits because of their alt. modes. Many of them were given their personalities and abilties solely cause of what they turned into or how they looked overall. Bumblebee included. If you look at the toys, Bumblebee looks much weaker than say Huffer or Windcharger. The only one who looks as weak as BB is Cliffjumper, but story-wise Cliffjumper was not weak, he was a fast, hard-hitting little bot.


So the reason why Bumblebee had his persona is due to his look, alt. mode, and his overall feel. Which is what you've wanted to hear this whole time....
HOWEVER, I do NOT feel that Bumblebee can't still be who he is just because he's been given a new alt. mode....junker muscle car or not. Because unless they make a lot of radical changes, BB is still going to be the underdog...he's still gonna have the eager, friendly, and keep on trying attitude and personality we all know Bumblebee to have. His alt. mode isn't some suped-up mega race car that can dust everyone. IT'S A BEATEN UP JUNKER CAR...camero or not.

Point taken. And I agree with you guys on the "personality" thing... at least I hope you're right and it turns out that way in the movie. I still don't see why him being a Camaro is necessary (no matter how you cut it's symbolically unfaithful... highly so) but if it works for the movie it works for the movie.

[Mic]

I hope they get Michael J Fox to do Bumblebees voice. That would rock.

[WalkingDead]

I hope they get Michael J Fox to do Bumblebees voice. That would rock.
Last rumor I heard was Billy West (Fry on Futurama, Honey Nut Cheerios Bee) was the main voice actor they were looking at for Bumblebee...though that's just a rumor.

[WalkingDead]

Point taken. And I agree with you guys on the "personality" thing... at least I hope you're right and it turns out that way in the movie. I still don't see why him being a Camaro is necessary (no matter how you cut it's symbolically unfaithful... highly so) but if it works for the movie it works for the movie.
I agree that a camero is NOT necessary...but I also can look past the fact it is a muscle car. Plus the alt. modes won't make or break this film for me at all...even if Optimus Prime is a mid-sized pick-up truck or a tow-truck or a hummer. The thing that will make or break this film for me is how the TF's personalities are handled.

[PERBOT]

Put some intake manifolds on the trunk and it looks alot like Sunsteaker to me!

[PERBOT]

Porsche is the same way as VW these days.

they dont want their cars used in war-like fashion.


so Jazz, being my favorite as a kid, is more than likely ruined for me.


i understand the car companies decisions. but i dont like it. :down

:spidey: I dont understand their decision at all!! "OMG a VW bug that transforms into a robot that can fire a gun, I think I will go declare war on some random faction, because if its ok for a fictional VW Bug from another planet that somehow transforms into a 16-25ft Talking Robot to be at war with other fictional robots its OK by us..!!" Come on people who thinks like that?...NO ONE...ITs a poor reason to not allow your automobile to be represented in a MOVIE!!

[Mister Gone]

You guys do know that Bay claims that all the names being used now are just code names, and will change in the film itself, right?

[CFlash]

You guys do know that Bay claims that all the names being used now are just code names, and will change in the film itself, right?

I think he said this was true of the Decepticons- who for the most part aren't referenced by name in the actual dialog. It's pretty much set in stone that the yellow Camaro is Bumblebee. Unless Bay decided to change the name to Windcharger in latter (unleaked) scripts. This would be a lot more faithful in terms of symbolism (he was a Camaro in some molds, Trans-am in others)... .... but not so much in terms of story (as Windcharger wasn't Spike's car or the human "liaison").

[Spark]

I don't think the alt-mode "upgrade" is so drastic they should change his name aswell. They've basically toughened up the character, and let's face it, in a world of Decepticon tanks/minesweepers/jets it won't make a whole lot of difference.

So basically he'll be able to handle the Decepticons in a similar way to Jazz and the other Carbots, which is important because he's the main Autobot besides Optimus and he'll probably grab the most screentime so there won't be much time for heroics if he's continually being pummelled by every Decepticon under the sun.

Not that a VW would've given him a tiny alt-mode but I guess the Camaro takes it up a notch (although personally I think a Bug could've worked).

[CFlash]

Not that a VW would've given him a tiny alt-mode but I guess the Camaro takes it up a notch (although personally I think a Bug could've worked).

I'm not even a big fan of VW Bugs (they're a bit effeminate). I think a Mini-Cooper would have worked a whole of lot better... A LOT.

Hell, a PT Cruiser would have been better (although that would undermine the whole fuel economy thing). Whatever.... just not a cliched hot-rod. *big eye roll* :rolleyes:

[WalkingDead]

I'm not even a big fan of VW Bugs (they're a bit effeminate). I think a Mini-Cooper would have worked a whole of lot better... A LOT.

Hell, a PT Cruiser would have been better (although that would undermine the whole fuel economy thing). Whatever.... just not a cliched hot-rod. *big eye roll* :rolleyes:

If we go by the Alternators toyline...
Hasbro couldn't get Porsche, Lamborghini, Volkswagen, and two other car companies (I can't remember the other two companies) to agree to allow them to make their products as Transformers.

EDIT: I believe it was BMW and Lexus that wouldn't agree to work with Hasbro on the Alternators toyline.


Hasbro has really good relations with GM, Ford, Dodge, and Jeep right now for their products and I doubt they'll push too hard for other car companies for the movie, since already they have a wide-range of cars to work with.

[bufo]

check out http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6482189053676903402&q=transformers, about 3/4 though it bummblebee is a volkswagon in a parking lot. It's from the comicon showing

[bufo]

check out http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=transformers (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6482189053676903402&q=transformers), about 3/4 though it bummblebee is a volkswagon in a parking lot. It's from the comicon showing

[bufo]

check out http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=transformers (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6482189053676903402&q=transformers), about 3/4 though it bummblebee is a volkswagon in a parking lot. It's from the comicon showing

[WalkingDead]

check out http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=transformers (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6482189053676903402&q=transformers), about 3/4 though it bummblebee is a volkswagon in a parking lot. It's from the comicon showing
That's a fan-made CGI thing that was made I believe about 3-4 years ago. And it's not Bumblebee...it's Jazz as the Beetle. It has Jazz's head, leg design, and crotch design.



What I love is the head design of Prime they show from the Movie Conceptual art. Oh, and the AWESOME cinematic of Camero Bumblebee getting chased down and trashed by Helicopter Soundwave. That Helicopter Soundwave look is so good. That part of the video is the friggin' best!!

[CFlash]

What I love is the head design of Prime they show from the Movie Conceptual art. Oh, and the AWESOME cinematic of Camero Bumblebee getting chased down and trashed by Helicopter Soundwave. That Helicopter Soundwave look is so good. That part of the video is the friggin' best!!

I agree. That stuff looked awesome. Shame you have to sit through a lot of fluff to see it. First time, I just FF through it and missed those cool scenes.

I love Steven Spielberg talking part. That guy will save this movie from the evil clutches of mediocrity Hollywood eye-candy schlock (I'm talking to you BAY! :mad: ).

[Spark]

It was Spielberg who wanted Bay involved. Infact the 'boy and his car' thing has got his name written all over it. ;)

[WalkingDead]

It was Spielberg who wanted Bay involved. Infact the 'boy and his car' thing has got his name written all over it. ;)
Yeah Spielberg always thought Bay was the good choice for this movie, since Bay's good at car chases, action-y moments, and has used a lot of explosions. I'm sure Speilberg will come in and make several changes towards the middle and end of production to compliment Bay's work.

[CFlash]

I'm sure Speilberg will come in and make several changes towards the middle and end of production to compliment Bay's work.

And with that, this movie is poised to become one of the best action/sci-fi movies of all time. Steven Spielberg has "the touch" that turns even seemingly "camp" stuff into golden drama/sci-fi (as in Men in Black- which he also Exec Produced). But, for Transformers at least, he needed someone like Bay to balance it out.

It was indeed an inspired decision (even if I personally think Bay makes brainless schlock).

Then again, I remember thinking Shumacher was going to *perfect* Batman (by making it even more serious and a true dark 'Detective' noir movie) because his credentials were absolutely top notch.... and look what he did. :down :)

[Casius--J]

And with that, this movie is poised to become one of the best action/sci-fi movies of all time. Steven Spielberg has "the touch" that turns even seemingly "camp" stuff into golden drama/sci-fi (as in Men in Black- which he also Exec Produced). But, for Transformers at least, he needed someone like Bay to balance it out.

It was indeed an inspired decision (even if I personally think Bay makes brainless schlock).

Then again, I remember thinking Shumacher was going to *perfect* Batman (by making it even more serious and a true dark 'Detective' noir movie) because his credentials were absolutely top notch.... and look what he did. :down :)


really? i didnt know shumacher was picked to be that kind of director for batman. damn wonder what happened there!!!

[bluejake01]

Then again, I remember thinking Shumacher was going to *perfect* Batman (by making it even more serious and a true dark 'Detective' noir movie) because his credentials were absolutely top notch.... and look what he did. :down :)

The problem was this...he was not a fan of comics, nor did he fully understand the character. The studio told him to make it more like the 60's TV series, brighter, less moody, more for kids. The studio was counting on revenue from toy sales, so they pushed for the changes that Shumacher made.

[CFlash]

The problem was this...he was not a fan of comics, nor did he fully understand the character. The studio told him to make it more like the 60's TV series, brighter, less moody, more for kids. The studio was counting on revenue from toy sales, so they pushed for the changes that Shumacher made.

I'm sure that's true. But if you look at a lot of his previous work (Flatliners, A Time to Kill, Falling Down and even Lost Boys- one of my fave movies of all time) he totally had the makings of creating a great- and serious- take on Batman.

But whereas Tim Burton researched all sorts of things Batman (he cited Frank Miller's Darkknight and Alan Moore's A Killing Joke as huge influences... as well as the campy TV show (for iconic reasons)).... Shumacker seems to have totally relied 100% on the TV Show.

Like you said, not being a fan-- or lIMO not loving the source(s)-- is what caused him to ruin Batman. I fear the same thing for TF as Bay seems to dislike every element so much as to change it completely.

[PROLIFIK1]

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[ragdus]

how many threads is that pic going to get closed? please someone post a sticky telling not to post that picture!

[UltimateJustin]

Bumblebee should be a VW because bumblebees are bugs. Germans are SO lame right now, you cant talk about Hitler or they will GO ALL HITLER on you over there. Like at soccer games or at war.

[ryan dube]

It makes sense people, damn; this was the next logical choice since he could not be a VW bug in this film:

http://storytrail.com/Dahnke/camarohist.htm


Move on with your lives, learn to just accept things that you have no creative input on.

Later

[combocaz]

A camaro??!!, god atleast make him a mini.

[tecnowraith]

http://www.streetracersonline.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10181/mitsubishi_nessie_manu_03.jpg

How about this for Bumblebee?

[ryan dube]

ummm they already started filming the movie ;)

[Nathan]

Well that uh... kinda sucks. I wasn't really a fan of Bumblebee, but I'm always for sticking as close as possible to the original source material.

Ok, so we didn't get a Beetle because VW dropped out, so why didn't they just look for other small cars? On my way home today I checked out some cars, and there were so many cars they could've used instead of the Camaro.

[ryan dube]

They made a deal with Chevy to introduce and showcase their new 2008 Camaro and since Bumblebee will get a majority of the screentime, that's who they gave it to...

[CFlash]

They made a deal with Chevy to introduce and showcase their new 2008 Camaro and since Bumblebee will get a majority of the screentime, that's who they gave it to...

It's all about the Benjamins. If Bay's last effort, The Island, is of any indication, then Product Placement might be pervasive in this movie.

[SpandexFan]

Yeah VW won't let Hasbro have any rights to make any Transformer modeled after their products. VW doesn't want their products associated with any war-like toys and since TF's is about a war between two factions...well you see the point.

VW = run by morons

people see a bug in the movie and think because there are cgi robots firing lasers at each other, the bug represents violence and won't buy it now????

the suits makes some wierd decisions

[Mentok]

Pitty he wont be the VeeDub anymore :(

[undraftedpacker]

maybe they should have made him a Toyota Yaris

How bout a ford festiva?

[xwolverine2]

http://www.streetracersonline.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10181/mitsubishi_nessie_manu_03.jpg

How about this for Bumblebee?
is that a real car?

[roach]

Well that uh... kinda sucks. I wasn't really a fan of Bumblebee, but I'm always for sticking as close as possible to the original source material.

Ok, so we didn't get a Beetle because VW dropped out, so why didn't they just look for other small cars? On my way home today I checked out some cars, and there were so many cars they could've used instead of the Camaro.


we dont know what other factors went into making him a camaro

[logansoldcigar]

So the question is: Why the Beetle and not the Trans-am (or the Camaro).

Im not gonna claim to be an expert in transformers, but i can answer that.

Beetle owners are..different. they fall in love with their cars. its traditional to name a beetle. for a beetle owner, its more than just a car. abeetle owner would rather have a beetle than a porsche. so when somneone wants a beetle, they will get a beetle. even if its next to trans am.

[roach]

so when somneone wants a beetle, they will get a beetle.

Unless you want one for a Transformers movie

[logansoldcigar]

well yeah, thats a given as VW only allow their tanks to be used for war.

[Dr Lee]

The only problem i have with Bumblebee is that they have got Saleen in to do stuff to the car. Saleen are Mustang modifiers not Camero modifiers.

[roach]

The only problem i have with Bumblebee is that they have got Saleen in to do stuff to the car. Saleen are Mustang modifiers not Camero modifiers.


Incorrect. Saleen does race cars and trucks. They became famous for the Mustang though

[Dr Lee]

oh ok Don't they just do ford cars or do they do other makes?

[roach]

They produced the S7(the race car from Bruce Almighty) but they have a contract with Ford and produced a Saleen Mustang, Focus and a new Sports Truck which looks to be a Saleen F-150


Saleen is working on that Camero and the Mustang that will be in this movie

[Bishop49]

This is off topic but does any know where too download the cartoon movie at?? If you know just pm me.. I've been in need of a flashback moment! lol thanks

[hex]

as I said in that post, this movie is going to suck BALLS! All the robot modes will look like friggin crappy ass gobots with sticks for hands and feet, and bionicle crappy Atari Ps2 Transformers and NOT how they should look. And they won't use the correct KICKASS transforming sound, simply becuz it's not in his vision. his meaning Michael I will piss off every transfan Bay.

[Dr Lee]

So don't go and see it then. Stop whining about how much you think you hate it.

[Yurka]

i couldnt care less about if bumblebee is a camaro or a freaking motorcycle, all i want is a megatron that looks awesome and kicks serious ass, and a prime that looks like the original

[WalkingDead]

as I said in that post, this movie is going to suck BALLS! All the robot modes will look like friggin crappy ass gobots with sticks for hands and feet, and bionicle crappy Atari Ps2 Transformers and NOT how they should look. And they won't use the correct KICKASS transforming sound, simply becuz it's not in his vision. his meaning Michael I will piss off every transfan Bay.
But that Bumblebee prop/animatronic has humanistic hands...you can see the right hand on the ground, it's got 4 fingers and an opposible thumb, from what I can tell. And it doesn't really look like a Bionicle to me, but I guess that's just difference in perceptions. Also Don Murphy (movie producer) and one of the writers said they were planning to update the original transformation sound, but keep it identifiable as the TF SFX.

[skorponok]

The Original Transforming sound, as it is, would sound stupid as hell in a live action film I'm sorry to say.

[Spark]

I don't think anyone's asking for a carbon copy (well maybe a few). People will expect it to be homaged in some way and I'm not just talking about the tens of thusands of people who keep track on the interweb.

Considering there's a whole new story there's very few ways they can keep the original's soul intact, and those would be a homage to the Transformation sound, Cullen/Welker, and maybe a nod in the score. Although personally I just hope Steve Jablonsky doesn't screw up if the bland trailer music is anything to go by.

[xwolverine2]

The Original Transforming sound, as it is, would sound stupid as hell in a live action film I'm sorry to say.
can somebody show me a youtube vid with that sound?

is it THAT ****ing important?

[MutantCircus]

actually i saw a youtube video with the tranforming sound laid over the photo-realistic optimus prime cgi video, and it was ****ing retarded. Too lazy to go look for it though, just try searching for it.

[hex]

So don't go and see it then. Stop whining about how much you think you hate it.

But isn't that the purpose of these message boards? To whine? :)

And quite simply, I know I will hate it, and yet I will watch it. Just like I watched Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, Spiderman, Spiderman 2, Armageddon, and ****. =D

[Dr Lee]

I thought that it was to have an intelligent conversation about stuff- in this case the movie.... looks like i was wrong :)

[hurley711]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/31/new-chevy-camaro-to-star-transformers-movie/

[borinquenknight]

Couldn't they make BumbleBee a Zion or Caliber. Something thats a little closer to the make and model? Thanks like turning Optimus into a miniVan.

[xwolverine2]

so bumblebee gets remade into a better car?...cool!

[CFlash]

Your dismissive posts are so annoying xw2. Troll-like.


IMO, indeed in the opinion of lots of mature people, a Camaro is not a "better" car. Now, if I made a living racing or something, maybe. And, that shallow, immature way of thinking is something I would definately not want to instill in my kids.

BorinquenKnight is on point. (There are Boricua's in Texas!? Yeah! Much love!). It is like turning Prime into a minivan. It's the "Complete Opposite" thing.

[xwolverine2]

Your dismissive posts are so annoying xw2. Troll-like.


IMO, indeed in the opinion of lots of mature people, a Camaro is not a "better" car. Now, if I made a living racing or something, maybe. And, that shallow, immature way of thinking is something I would definately not want to instill in my kids.

BorinquenKnight is on point. (There are Boricua's in Texas!? Yeah! Much love!). It is like turning Prime into a minivan. It's the "Complete Opposite" thing.
wtf are you talking about you crazy little man..... in the link above it shows a beat up old ugly car,then the camraro.so i take it he gets beat up the rebuilt.

if anything YOUR POST are troll-like!

[CFlash]

wtf are you talking about you crazy little man..... in the link above it shows a beat up old ugly car,then the camraro.so i take it he gets beat up the rebuilt.

if anything YOUR POST are troll-like!

It's about what the car itself represents... not its condition.
It's why original BB was what he was and not a Knight Rider Trans-Am- beat up or otherwise.

[ragdus]

This Bumblebee fixation has got to stop. The change has been made, and is not going to be unmade no matter how loud the nerd uproar. Can we please move on?

[CFlash]

This Bumblebee fixation has got to stop. The change has been made, and is not going to be unmade no matter how loud the nerd uproar. Can we please move on?

So why bother posting this? You don't have to read the thread.

[xwolverine2]

It's about what the car itself represents... not its condition.
It's why original BB was what he was and not a Knight Rider Trans-Am- beat up or otherwise.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT WILL HAPPEN TO HIM!....not w/e the hell your ranting on about!:o