Villain Opportunities from Unmasking AKA: 101 ways to torture Peter Parker

[Carnage 707]

So say your a Spider-Man villian in the comics, time and time again that pesky wallcrawler has foiled your bank heists, stopped your plans for world domination, and made fun of your mother.

Then during civil war your greatest foe reveals his identity. All along it was just some average-looking guy you couldn't pick out of a crowd. Not a millionare, not an alien, not even a government agent. You couldn't hurt Spider-Man, the superhero, but now you have a chance to hurt Peter Parker, the Husband, Nephew and Friend. What do you do?

Add to the list as ya see fit.

1. Hack Parker's bank account and ruin him financially.

2. Kill possibly horribly disfigure his wife, she can't be protected EVERYWHERE, right?

3. Make life a living hell for all of his friends, until they all leave him from fear.

4. Dig up uncle Ben's decaying corpse and take pictures of him in a yellow dress and high heels.

5. Pull the dog-crap-in-a-burning-paper-bag trick on him

6. Call him at 3:00am to ask if his refrigerator is running.

[JackSkellington]

4. Dig up uncle Ben's decaying corpse and take pictures of him in a yellow dress and high heels.
LMAO!

That's both sick & funny at the same time. :D:up:

[Effect]

You know has anyone considered the possiblity that villians wouldn't even bother going these extra steps? Think about it, they've fought Spider-man before and know how strong he is and what he can do. Do you think they'd seriously go the trouble of trying to make his life so hard that it pushes him the bring that he'll very likely kill them after he hunts them down?

One has to look at the other side. Would it really be in a villians best interest to bother with Spider-man's personal life? Would it really matter to them when all they want is money and power? Isn't Norman the only one that's really gotten personal with Spider-man and wants to make him suffer? I'm still trying to figured out why Norman wants to make him suffer anyway. Does anyon else beside him have anything to gain? Would they honestly take the time away from their crime planning, etc to try and make Peter and his families life a problem?

Sure they can do something to stop him from getting in the way but most likely they can pull of their crimes and Spidey not show up and they get caught if he happens to be in the area or he tracks them down. What about the other heroes who's ID become known? Why would they automaticly single Spider-man out, what about other street level foes or not so street level ones?

I'm starting to think what Aunt May said about judges, lawyers, policemen, etc makes sense. They have families and fight criminals but dont' wear mask. Their familes at risk as well, perhaps more so then Aunt May and MJ. Think of all the hate those type of people get from the different gangs or high profile criminals that get arrest or even get off or have contact with their past gang members. Are they not in at risk just as well as Aunt May and MJ?

I don't see what makes May and MJ being at risk so special.

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'm starting to think what Aunt May said about judges, lawyers, policemen, etc makes sense. They have families and fight criminals but dont' wear mask. Their familes at risk as well, perhaps more so then Aunt May and MJ. Think of all the hate those type of people get from the different gangs or high profile criminals that get arrest or even get off or have contact with their past gang members. Are they not in at risk just as well as Aunt May and MJ?

I don't see what makes May and MJ being at risk so special.


Yeah except the criminals that judges, lawyers and policemen put away can't punch through walls with a single punch, they can't send bolts of electricity through the streets, or turn into sand and slip under locked doors. They don't have mind control powers or access to gadgets and weaponry powerful enough to level a city block. They haven't been foiled by the same person for enough YEARS to develop a massive hard-on for said person.

See the difference?

[SpideyInATree]

I have no idea what's going to happen in Civil War or how any villains of Spidey's will really react. But there are a few things set up.

For starters Peter Parker/Spider-Man is part of the Avengers. Yes, The Avengers. He's not solo loner superhero this time around.

You're a super villain watching the press conference. You see Tony Stark, who just said he was Iron Man, and you're going to try and attack Spidey? Go after him? And bring the hammer down of all the other super heroes? And be hunted down by the others just for going after Peter Parker because you're a bad guy and couldn't take that a guy kept stopping you from being a bad guy?

I expect some villains would be pissed about the revelation. Just the way Vulture reacted in Marvel Knights Spider-Man to seeing Peter's face, even though it was all beat up...Vulture freaked out because Peter was just some everyday looking dude and Vulture was expecting more.

If anything...most of the rogues will be disappointed, heh.

The villain who is most important is Green Goblin, in my opinion. He's the one who's going to be the most pissed about the revelation.

So, if you're a villain in the MU and Spidey reveals his identity...and you see that his homeboy is Iron Man who, just on national television, showed he had control of an armada of other Iron Men...well, you're going to probably have some second thoughts.

Once again, Spidey has other heroes behind him who have his back. Even though the heroes will be divided...they are going to be hunting the super villains as well, if they aren't...then sorry.

It will definitely be an exciting read to see how things go. :up:

[Upset Spideyfan]

^^^

But Peter might not always be an Avenger and he should have taken that into account.


And not all villains have to leave evidence. All a guy like Fusion has to do is go up to May or MJ and tell them to walk into traffic.

[SpideyInATree]

^^^

But Peter might not always be an Avenger and he should have taken that into account.


And not all villains have to leave evidence. All a guy like Fusion has to do is go up to May or MJ and tell them to walk into traffic.

No, he may not always be an Avenger but it's not like he's going to be hated by every single other superhero in the Marvel Universe either. Who knows, maybe that will happen. I don't know.

And why would Aunt May and MJ be walking around by themselves after Peter reveals his identity? You don't think that they're going to go into some type of protection?

You make it seem like he takes the mask off and every single living Spider-Man villain is going to jump up, unite, and attack all at once or something. Chances are most of them are going to be too busy feeling stupid to think of a way to kill him or his family.

Once again, this is just part of the story that's going to make it interesting. Yeah, it could mean bad news...it's the risk that he's taking for believing in Tony Stark and the Registration Act. Remember...

Peter is also going to have the United States Government on his side, not to mention SHIELD. So, you know...it's not like he's going to unmask and everybody is going to say, "Ok, Peter, time to go move back into your tiny apartment in Soho! Good luck staying alive without any armor or shields on the walls, HA!! SUCKER!"

[Upset Spideyfan]

You make it seem like he takes the mask off and every single living Spider-Man villain is going to jump up, unite, and attack all at once or something. Chances are most of them are going to be too busy feeling stupid to think of a way to kill him or his family.

Nevertheless, some of them are going to have serious axes to grind and if it takes a week or a month or a year they'll go after them, it's naive to think they'll find out PP is SM, say "Crap, he's part of the Avengers" throw up their hands and forget about him.



Peter is also going to have the United States Government on his side, not to mention SHIELD. So, you know...it's not like he's going to unmask and everybody is going to say, "Ok, Peter, time to go move back into your tiny apartment in Soho! Good luck staying alive without any armor or shields on the walls, HA!! SUCKER!"

Which he may not be after Civil War.

[SpideyInATree]

Nevertheless, some of them are going to have serious axes to grind and if it takes a week or a month or a year they'll go after them, it's naive to think they'll find out PP is SM, say "Crap, he's part of the Avengers" throw up their hands and forget about him.



Which he may not be after Civil War.

They're not going to be like that, but I could understand a lot better if maybe Aunt May still lived in the house in Queens and Pete and MJ lived in an apartment.

But, as of right now and when Peter is making his decision, they're living in Avengers Tower which has lots of defense on it, I'm sure...Stark owns it...so you know.

If we do look into the future of the story. First of all, I'm sure Peter is going to find out Stark was pulling his leg. Pete will get mad that he revealed his ID, basically, to help Tony with his own agenda. And Pete will be mad, and change sides.

Yeah, you're probably right. But this is a story. And in the here and now of the situation and in the mind set of the character Peter Parker he's standing up for what he believes is the right thing to do and standing beside the man who has given him so much, Tony Stark. The character can't see into the future just like when you or I make large decisions we cannot see what is ahead of us. We don't have an Internet that reveals spoilers about our lives.

[Upset Spideyfan]

We don't have an Internet that reveals spoilers about our lives.

You don't?


;)


Anyway, I'll concede you have some good points. Ultimately, if this situation is not going to fall out of control by the end, the writers have to be very careful and that's what scares me the most.

[SpideyInATree]

You don't?


;)


Anyway, I'll concede you have some good points. Ultimately, if this situation is not going to fall out of control by the end, the writers have to be very careful and that's what scares me the most.

I agree. They do need to be very careful and tread lightly. I'm really thinking they've already got a back door worked out to get him back in the mask.

But this is Marvel of 2006, heh. We see they don't really have much PLANNING, haha.

But as Tom Defalco stated about the Clone Saga, it needs a back door so that you don't write yourself into a losing situation, and that's what ended up happening to the Clone Saga.

And it could happen with this storyline. And hopefully the boys at Marvel have already worked out a backdoor...and hopefully one that doesn't piss anybody off further.

[Effect]

Yeah except the criminals that judges, lawyers and policemen put away can't punch through walls with a single punch, they can't send bolts of electricity through the streets, or turn into sand and slip under locked doors. They don't have mind control powers or access to gadgets and weaponry powerful enough to level a city block. They haven't been foiled by the same person for enough YEARS to develop a massive hard-on for said person.

See the difference?

Sure they can't but they can have their gangs gun down the lawyer, judge, etc. They have their other friends do horrible things in their place eventhough they are behind bars. What about the cops or lawyers that make it their life work to stop a certain gang, end up knowing the details about that gang? Or the gang members that end up knowing the names of the cops that are always arresting them or arresting their friends, etc? Cops, etc live in normal everyday neighborhoods and people around them very well know what they do. Gathering info on them wouldn't be hard but they get up everyday and do their job and their families go about their lives. Either it be a hand gun or getting run over by a car or having someone like the Shocker attacking you the end result is going to be the same. Danger and risk are still the same I feel.

[shinlyle]

Well, according to what we know about the upcoming issues, the next arc in Sensational Spider-Man deals with the ramifications of Spidey's "monumentous decision". Apparently, Chameleon organizes a group of villians to go ater Spidey. I'd imagine that this will be the fall out from Peter revealing his identity....and it will one id a long line of stories about this subject matter.

Also, it's preposterous to even think that the villians wouldn't go to all of the trouble of tormenting Peter. He's beaten and humiliated them time and again. Ock alone would be willing to do whatever it takes to make Spider-Man suffer. There last real encounter in SSM, where he attempted to force Peter to unmask, that alone would be enough to make him want Peter to suffer (although, that arc reinforces why Peter would NEVER willingly reveal id ID to the public.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Sure they can't but they can have their gangs gun down the lawyer, judge, etc. They have their other friends do horrible things in their place eventhough they are behind bars. What about the cops or lawyers that make it their life work to stop a certain gang, end up knowing the details about that gang? Or the gang members that end up knowing the names of the cops that are always arresting them or arresting their friends, etc? Cops, etc live in normal everyday neighborhoods and people around them very well know what they do. Gathering info on them wouldn't be hard but they get up everyday and do their job and their families go about their lives. Either it be a hand gun or getting run over by a car or having someone like the Shocker attacking you the end result is going to be the same. Danger and risk are still the same I feel.


Listen not to lessen the threat that real law enforcment figures face but there's a serious difference between the danger that this represents:

http://www.tactical-ems.com/images/gang%20small.jpg



and the danger that somebody like this poses:

http://members.fortunecity.com/dm_bishop2/marvel/electro002.JPG

[roach]

You know has anyone considered the possiblity that villians wouldn't even bother going these extra steps? Think about it, they've fought Spider-man before and know how strong he is and what he can do. Do you think they'd seriously go the trouble of trying to make his life so hard that it pushes him the bring that he'll very likely kill them after he hunts them down?

One has to look at the other side. Would it really be in a villians best interest to bother with Spider-man's personal life? Would it really matter to them when all they want is money and power? Isn't Norman the only one that's really gotten personal with Spider-man and wants to make him suffer? I'm still trying to figured out why Norman wants to make him suffer anyway. Does anyon else beside him have anything to gain? Would they honestly take the time away from their crime planning, etc to try and make Peter and his families life a problem?

Sure they can do something to stop him from getting in the way but most likely they can pull of their crimes and Spidey not show up and they get caught if he happens to be in the area or he tracks them down. What about the other heroes who's ID become known? Why would they automaticly single Spider-man out, what about other street level foes or not so street level ones?

I'm starting to think what Aunt May said about judges, lawyers, policemen, etc makes sense. They have families and fight criminals but dont' wear mask. Their familes at risk as well, perhaps more so then Aunt May and MJ. Think of all the hate those type of people get from the different gangs or high profile criminals that get arrest or even get off or have contact with their past gang members. Are they not in at risk just as well as Aunt May and MJ?

I don't see what makes May and MJ being at risk so special.

if I gave you a million dollars to fight Superman would you do it??????
would you do it if I gave you Kryptonite boxing gloves?????
Peter's identity represents the one weakness he has...his family. Just like in the movie when Goblin told him "someone was gonna come by with a sick choice". How soon will it be before someone targets MJ and May???? He's a government agent now he just cant go off and get revenge

[SpideyInATree]

(although, that arc reinforces why Peter would NEVER willingly reveal id ID to the public.

This was also before the Superhuman Registration Act and Spider-Man was on the Avengers and he was employed by Tony Stark.

So, things change...just like a lot of things you would never think you would have done in your life...you've done...because people, ideas, and things change around us everyday.

[Idio]

Civil War has completely split apart the heroes, the Avengers are at half force, all of Spidey's foes uniting and attacking the mansion in force, I'm sure as **** that they'd rip apart what was left of the Avengers and get to Peter's family. People like Ock, Electro, Sandman, Carrion, etc, would want Peter to suffer more than anything and would do anything to make that happen.

****, this would be the one thing where villains would set aside their differences and work together to bring Peter down.

This doesn't even have to come down to personal either, Hydra could come after Spiderman simply because he's been such an annoyance to them. All those gangsters who have had their drug deals/business ruined by Spiderman would do nothing but send wave after wave of goons after him to kill him and his family.

Hell random people off the street who want street cred would just sit outside Avengers mansion and wait to pick off his family. Could you imagine being part of a gang and saying you were the one who killed the legendary Spiderman's wife or aunt?

It was a horrible decision on Peter's part, he lost Gwen because ONE villain found out his identity. Marvel made a poor decision.

If Peter doesn't lose something serious from this, its just poor writing. Mary Jane and Aunt May have to go.

[Dyeathrose]

You know has anyone considered the possiblity that villians wouldn't even bother going these extra steps? Think about it, they've fought Spider-man before and know how strong he is and what he can do. Do you think they'd seriously go the trouble of trying to make his life so hard that it pushes him the bring that he'll very likely kill them after he hunts them down?

One has to look at the other side. Would it really be in a villians best interest to bother with Spider-man's personal life? Would it really matter to them when all they want is money and power? Isn't Norman the only one that's really gotten personal with Spider-man and wants to make him suffer? I'm still trying to figured out why Norman wants to make him suffer anyway. Does anyon else beside him have anything to gain? Would they honestly take the time away from their crime planning, etc to try and make Peter and his families life a problem?

Sure they can do something to stop him from getting in the way but most likely they can pull of their crimes and Spidey not show up and they get caught if he happens to be in the area or he tracks them down. What about the other heroes who's ID become known? Why would they automaticly single Spider-man out, what about other street level foes or not so street level ones?

I'm starting to think what Aunt May said about judges, lawyers, policemen, etc makes sense. They have families and fight criminals but dont' wear mask. Their familes at risk as well, perhaps more so then Aunt May and MJ. Think of all the hate those type of people get from the different gangs or high profile criminals that get arrest or even get off or have contact with their past gang members. Are they not in at risk just as well as Aunt May and MJ?

I don't see what makes May and MJ being at risk so special.

I've been trying to figure out what makes MJ and May being at risk so special to the reader, actually, as it is cited quite a bit. My personal theory is because of another complaint I've seen (and I have) about the lack of the secondary supporting characters that Peter/Spidey was so well known to have. Literally, almost all that's left is MJ and May, as they are the two that are focused on the most, so if they are taken out of the picture, to me it loses the flavor that made Spider-man special. Without the double identity he's spent his time trying to balance, he becomes another guy in tights fighting more men and women in tights.

Quite a few ploys that I remember fondly have to do with the danger of his loved ones, actually. Or at least their risk. From the most cited Gwen's death to Aunt May almost marrying Doc Ock, heck even Marvel Knights had GG dragging MJ back to that bridge. It supposed to feed into the reader's emotions, since Peter cares about them, we are supposed to as well.

With them in the Avenger's Tower, there is no doubt they will have as much protection as (the writers) can be provided, but then they lose their own freedom. MJ can't do any gigs from the tower, though May does have it a bit better, considering Jarvis is there. However, were the Avenger's Tower not an option, I see May's elluding to the everyday hero (police, fire fighters, etc) a bit more in context. I've seen a wife of a police officer worry for the safety of her husband, but still conduct life; she doesn't hide in fear of relatiation, and neither does he. Even with that said, the fine line of real life and fantasy is blurred; I don't like bringing it together to point one out to another, since for me to even begin reading any comic, I have to bend the laws of reality. Plus, there are a million examples of real life that can slice one example in fantasy to shreds.

Norman/GG has been twisted to the point of obsession over Spider-man, and when he found out Peter, it became much more personal for him (though, that depends on the writer). I'm sure villians wouldn't mind terrorizing Peter at the heart of it, ones like Electro who are already publically (legally) known as criminals don't have much else to do in society but cause trouble.

At least, that's my take on it.

[Compi716]

Spidey's identity has been revealed, in what I feel is the stupidest move in comic book history. Now, fans are left wondering "How in the HELL is Marvel going to make this work?" I think I've come up with a semi-solution (or potential solution).

Spider-Man: BORN AGAIN.

Yes, that is the title of the CLASSIC Daredevil story, where his identity was revealed to his greatest foe. And what happened to Murdock? He disappeared. Nobody knew where he was. He was REBORN.

Spidey's enemies know his true identity. Osborn, Kingpin, hell, even the return of Eddie Brock/Venom (we know it's going to happen for the 2007 movie!)...these villians can do SOMETHING do Parker. I think it could be time for some brilliant story telling. Whatever the story may be, I think that Spider-Man needs to "die" and be "reborn."

He needs to be BORN AGAIN.

This, I feel, may be the only way to save our favorite hero. I can only hope that whatever Marvel does, they pull it off.

[SpideyInATree]

Civil War has completely split apart the heroes, the Avengers are at half force, all of Spidey's foes uniting and attacking the mansion in force, I'm sure as **** that they'd rip apart what was left of the Avengers and get to Peter's family. People like Ock, Electro, Sandman, Carrion, etc, would want Peter to suffer more than anything and would do anything to make that happen.

****, this would be the one thing where villains would set aside their differences and work together to bring Peter down.

This doesn't even have to come down to personal either, Hydra could come after Spiderman simply because he's been such an annoyance to them. All those gangsters who have had their drug deals/business ruined by Spiderman would do nothing but send wave after wave of goons after him to kill him and his family.

Hell random people off the street who want street cred would just sit outside Avengers mansion and wait to pick off his family. Could you imagine being part of a gang and saying you were the one who killed the legendary Spiderman's wife or aunt?

It was a horrible decision on Peter's part, he lost Gwen because ONE villain found out his identity. Marvel made a poor decision.

If Peter doesn't lose something serious from this, its just poor writing. Mary Jane and Aunt May have to go.

First of all, all of that happening. All the villains wanting to come after Spider-Man because he revealed his ID. Wouldn't that kind of make things a little exciting? It's exciting to me. And it's also fun. It's basically what I've been waiting for out of the Spidey books in a long time. The last time the Spidey books were fun was earlier in JMS' run during the Ezekiel stuff. After the Book of Ezekiel Spidey's books haven't really been too exciting to me.

Yeah, his family will be in danger.

And who is the one who basically told him to go out there and tell the world who he is? Not Tony Stark. Stark let Peter make the decision himself. No, I believe it was Aunt May who made the decision for Peter.

And maybe someone will die. Maybe somebody won't. But do you really think that they're going to have Peter reveal his identity and just leave Aunt May and Mary Jane sitting completely by themselves in a room in the Tower? :confused:

Who's to say that they don't move them to a secret location?

Pete's got the government on his side now by registering, and then also going public with his identity. Do you think they're going to let something happen to his loved ones? Or his friends? That they're just going to let the supervillains walk right in?

I know the first thought is that some villains will go after his family, etc. But, NO DUH!!! It's what is going to make the story really exciting because you have NO IDEA what is going to happen. And that's what I love.

When everything is predictable and easy to figure out the book really becomes dull, much like it has been for the past few years now. This injects excitement and intensity back into The Amazing Spider-Man. And whether you hate it or love it...it's going to be one hell of a ride. A ride I've been looking forward to for 13 years.

[Grim Goblin]

Exactly what part of "Peter's villains coming after him en masse now that they know who he is" not predictable?

yeah, the government is going to watch over Peter's family. Because they already did such a bang up job protecting citizens in Stamford.

Thank god that at least the Avengers are there to back him up. Oh wait, they're busy getting their asses kicked by the Hand!

I'm fine with people liking this story, but so far I find the reasons given as to why this is something good quite debatable.

[Grim Goblin]

and as for the topic of this thread:

7) Chameleon takes Peter's shape and get some sweet MJ love

[D-day]

Have any of you guys seen the cover to Civil War #5? It gives you a big clue as to what Spideys life will be like for the next couple of years. :(

:unishr:

[SpideyInATree]

Have any of you guys seen the cover to Civil War #5? It gives you a big clue as to what Spideys life will be like for the next couple of years. :(

:unishr:


Who said that it was going to be for a couple years?

[deemar325]

This whole thing is a mess.

[USMC]

I have no idea what's going to happen in Civil War or how any villains of Spidey's will really react. But there are a few things set up.

For starters Peter Parker/Spider-Man is part of the Avengers. Yes, The Avengers. He's not solo loner superhero this time around.


You're a super villain watching the press conference. You see Tony Stark, who just said he was Iron Man, and you're going to try and attack Spidey? Go after him? And bring the hammer down of all the other super heroes? And be hunted down by the others just for going after Peter Parker because you're a bad guy and couldn't take that a guy kept stopping you from being a bad guy?


I expect some villains would be pissed about the revelation. Just the way Vulture reacted in Marvel Knights Spider-Man to seeing Peter's face, even though it was all beat up...Vulture freaked out because Peter was just some everyday looking dude and Vulture was expecting more.

If anything...most of the rogues will be disappointed, heh.

The villain who is most important is Green Goblin, in my opinion. He's the one who's going to be the most pissed about the revelation.

So, if you're a villain in the MU and Spidey reveals his identity...and you see that his homeboy is Iron Man who, just on national television, showed he had control of an armada of other Iron Men...well, you're going to probably have some second thoughts.

Once again, Spidey has other heroes behind him who have his back. Even though the heroes will be divided...they are going to be hunting the super villains as well, if they aren't...then sorry.

It will definitely be an exciting read to see how things go. :up:


Yay, so now Spidey has to be an Avenger for the rest of his life to keep the bad guys away.

Pure crap.:down

[USMC]

No, he may not always be an Avenger but it's not like he's going to be hated by every single other superhero in the Marvel Universe either. Who knows, maybe that will happen. I don't know.

And why would Aunt May and MJ be walking around by themselves after Peter reveals his identity? You don't think that they're going to go into some type of protection?

You make it seem like he takes the mask off and every single living Spider-Man villain is going to jump up, unite, and attack all at once or something. Chances are most of them are going to be too busy feeling stupid to think of a way to kill him or his family.

Once again, this is just part of the story that's going to make it interesting. Yeah, it could mean bad news...it's the risk that he's taking for believing in Tony Stark and the Registration Act. Remember...

Peter is also going to have the United States Government on his side, not to mention SHIELD. So, you know...it's not like he's going to unmask and everybody is going to say, "Ok, Peter, time to go move back into your tiny apartment in Soho! Good luck staying alive without any armor or shields on the walls, HA!! SUCKER!"


Point is: MJ and May SHOULD be able to walk around without the Avengers Secret Service around them the rest of their lives. Spidey is no longer the "everyman"... which is what his appeal is as the flagship Marvel superhero.

[USMC]

Peter Parker he's standing up for what he believes is the right thing to do and standing beside the man who has given him so much, Tony Stark.


What in God's name besides an ugly ass costume did Tony ever give to Peter?

[deemar325]

Yay, so now Spidey has to be an Avenger for the rest of his life to keep the bad guys away.

Pure crap.:down

Dude I think you might be my long lost twin brother.

:up:

[Kanon]

So, the only chance for MJ to be safe is Peter being an avenger/SHIELD agent for the rest of his life... Seem like ol' petey sold his soul...

[SpideyInATree]

What in God's name besides an ugly ass costume did Tony ever give to Peter?

He gave Peter and his family a place to live and a new job as his assisstant.

[SpideyInATree]

Point is: MJ and May SHOULD be able to walk around without the Avengers Secret Service around them the rest of their lives. Spidey is no longer the "everyman"... which is what his appeal is as the flagship Marvel superhero.

He's still very much the "everyman" that he's always been. People just get blinded by writers, editors, creators, interviews, comments, debating....and they don't actually look at the story that's right in front of them.

[SpideyInATree]

Yay, so now Spidey has to be an Avenger for the rest of his life to keep the bad guys away.

Pure crap.:down

Right now it seems that way. This is the Marvel Universe where Peter Parker got bit by a radioactive spider and had the strength and agility of a spider. There are a ton of things they can do to put the cat back into the bag.

[USMC]

He gave Peter and his family a place to live and a new job as his assisstant.


What exactly has Peter done as IM's "assistant"?

[SpideyInATree]

What exactly has Peter done as IM's "assistant"?

Since Peter has experience in the science field Tony thought that if Peter were working for him, as a research assistant, that it wouldn't compromise his identity...of course, this was before the Superhuman registration stuff.

Peter went with Tony to Washington to face some politicians about the Superhuman Act.

Basically, it was a story to show that Stark is pulling some strings behind the scenes and acting very shady.

But to give a straight answer to your question, in the comic book, they haven't shown Peter really do ANYTHING as his assistant. But it was to be taken that Peter is to also be helping Stark in the lab as well as accompanying him on trips.

[USMC]

So like a sidekick then.

[SpideyInATree]

So like a sidekick then.

HAHAHA!! Well, if that's how you want to put it, just like everybody else, then be my guest.

I don't view it that way. I view it like Peter wanting to find a place on the team and the only person on the team he can identify with is Tony. They share the same interests. Peter is looking for a friend, basically. Who wouldn't be in a new situation like he's in?

Yes, Tony is acting weird, but to Peter Parker...Stark has been nothing but giving and helpful to him. What would you expect Peter to do to Tony? Say, "Ew, get that newly improved suit out of my face! Thanks for nothing, you arrogant jerk! You even made it into your colors! YOU FREAK!"

No, that's not in Peter to do that. He accepted Tony's gift, tried it out, and enjoys it. And it can change into any suit he desires if the red and yellow bother him that much.

But once Peter finds out what's really going on with Tony Stark...the doo doo is gonna hit the fan. And all the people who were saying, "Peter Parker is Iron Man's sidekick" are going to be leaping out of their seats when Peter rips the armor off of Tony's back.

[Norman Osborn]

But once Peter finds out what's really going on with Tony Stark...the doo doo is gonna hit the fan. And all the people who were saying, "Peter Parker is Iron Man's sidekick" are going to be leaping out of their seats when Peter rips the armor off of Tony's back.

Hey SIAT

Listen you do realize that :

1/ The dissenters to the IM Pete relationship are aware that's what's going to happen?

2/ The dissenters to the IM Pete relationship will cheer when the suit is finally up Stark's ass

........that's not the problem....the problem is the vast number of Spidey titles we've had to drudge through watching Pete look like a complete and utter dork...remember washington?,,,"duhh I did bad huh boss"

...it's like if Superman was replaced by...oh I don't know...let's say Daffy Duck....and all the Super-man fans have to watch this speech impaired moron flying around crashing into buildings and having his beak shot off......be rest assured...the Super-man fans will rejoice and cheer when their Man of Steel returns, has a little duck a l'orange for lunch and returns to his crime fighting ways....hell they'll declare that day a national holiday......but that doesn't mean they have to have enjoyed the Super-Daffy era does it?...just checking :)

[SpideyInATree]

Hey SIAT

Listen you do realize that :

1/ The dissenters to the IM Pete relationship are aware that's what's going to happen?

2/ The dissenters to the IM Pete relationship will cheer when the suit is finally up Stark's ass

........that's not the problem....the problem is the vast number of Spidey titles we've had to drudge through watching Pete look like a complete and utter dork...remember washington?,,,"duhh I did bad huh boss"

...it's like if Superman was replaced by...oh I don't know...let's say Daffy Duck....and all the Super-man fans have to watch this speech impaired moron flying around crashing into buildings and having his beak shot off......be rest assured...the Super-man fans will rejoice and cheer when their Man of Steel returns, has a little duck a l'orange for lunch and returns to his crime fighting ways....hell they'll declare that day a national holiday......but that doesn't mean they have to have enjoyed the Super-Daffy era does it?...just checking :)

Well, if you do know those things then what's the problem?

Yes, Peter said "boss" way too many times throughout some of the books. Yes, I remember the trip to Washington, it was only a few months ago, haha. And it was only in the Amazing Spider-Man, not ALL THE TITLES!

But he's not acting out of character or like Super-Daffy Duck.. :confused:

He's acting like Peter Parker and that's all I expect him to act like.

Hey, you're not happy seeing Peter play second fiddle to another character. I mean...Peter isn't the know all and say all of the Marvel Universe. He isn't the strongest character or the smartest character. He's the everyman of the Marvel Universe. The guy who's for the little people.

And if you're going from all those years as a loner superhero onto a team of heroes, all of a sudden, and this guy...Tony Stark has been so wonderful to you...you're going to feel a sense of loyalty. Peter sees a friendship between himself and Tony. And in the latest issue of Amazing Spider-Man he even stretches it farther than just a friendship, that Tony has been like a father figure to Peter.

Yes, the Peter Parker who lost his parents and lost his Uncle Ben at an early age.

I lost my father at the age of 13 years old. Peter lost his father figure, Uncle Ben, at the age of 15 years old. I can SERIOUSLY identify with that kind of loss, my friend. And the way Peter is acting with Tony, a man who he REALLY looks up to, it makes a lot of sense...to me especially.

I understand why people are upset and showing concern. Marvel hasn't made a lot of great decisions with Spidey the past few years.

But for once, Marvel is actually sitting down...giving the readers a story and and some emotion to get behind for once, instead of just randomly tossing something at you and saying, "Hey, react to this!". And readers are getting mad because Peter doesn't look like he's the smartest guy in the room. And he doesn't look like the strongest one.

And I think that's why some people get upset because they think since Spider-Man is so popular with people that he has to be the best, toughest, and brightest in the Marvel Universe. And he's NOT! He's the EVERYDAY GUY of the Marvel Universe. And that's where people seem to be getting confused, in my opinion.

Hey, as I said in the opening of the post. If you and other fans already know what they have going down with Iron Man and Spider-Man...why are some posters getting so venomously mad and saying it's a mischaracterization? It's not. It just doesn't fit with many fans' mold of what THEY expect Spider-Man to be. And he'll never be that.

[USMC]

HAHAHA!! Well, if that's how you want to put it, just like everybody else, then be my guest.

I don't view it that way. I view it like Peter wanting to find a place on the team and the only person on the team he can identify with is Tony. They share the same interests. Peter is looking for a friend, basically. Who wouldn't be in a new situation like he's in?

Yes, Tony is acting weird, but to Peter Parker...Stark has been nothing but giving and helpful to him. What would you expect Peter to do to Tony? Say, "Ew, get that newly improved suit out of my face! Thanks for nothing, you arrogant jerk! You even made it into your colors! YOU FREAK!"

No, that's not in Peter to do that. He accepted Tony's gift, tried it out, and enjoys it. And it can change into any suit he desires if the red and yellow bother him that much.

But once Peter finds out what's really going on with Tony Stark...the doo doo is gonna hit the fan. And all the people who were saying, "Peter Parker is Iron Man's sidekick" are going to be leaping out of their seats when Peter rips the armor off of Tony's back.


Ok, not a sidekick. A p ussy.

[SpideyInATree]

Ok, not a sidekick. A p ussy.

I don't see it that way either, but you can if you want. Heh.

[Upset Spideyfan]

But for once, Marvel is actually sitting down...giving the readers a story and and some emotion to get behind for once, instead of just randomly tossing something at you and saying, "Hey, react to this!".


That's EXACTLY what they're doing.

[The Lizard]

Now that Pete's revealed his identity to the public, something tells me that we're never going to get a flashback explanation of how Curt Connors found out Pete was Spidey back in 2004. :rolleyes:

[Abaddon]

THe whole purpose of him keeping his identity a secret was so that he wouldn't put his loved ones in danger.Guess thats not important anymore.

[NateGray]

Well, if you do know those things then what's the problem?

Yes, Peter said "boss" way too many times throughout some of the books. Yes, I remember the trip to Washington, it was only a few months ago, haha. And it was only in the Amazing Spider-Man, not ALL THE TITLES!

But he's not acting out of character or like Super-Daffy Duck..

He's acting like Peter Parker and that's all I expect him to act like.

Hey, you're not happy seeing Peter play second fiddle to another character. I mean...Peter isn't the know all and say all of the Marvel Universe. He isn't the strongest character or the smartest character. He's the everyman of the Marvel Universe. The guy who's for the little people.

And if you're going from all those years as a loner superhero onto a team of heroes, all of a sudden, and this guy...Tony Stark has been so wonderful to you...you're going to feel a sense of loyalty. Peter sees a friendship between himself and Tony. And in the latest issue of Amazing Spider-Man he even stretches it farther than just a friendship, that Tony has been like a father figure to Peter.

Yes, the Peter Parker who lost his parents and lost his Uncle Ben at an early age.

I lost my father at the age of 13 years old. Peter lost his father figure, Uncle Ben, at the age of 15 years old. I can SERIOUSLY identify with that kind of loss, my friend. And the way Peter is acting with Tony, a man who he REALLY looks up to, it makes a lot of sense...to me especially.

I understand why people are upset and showing concern. Marvel hasn't made a lot of great decisions with Spidey the past few years.

But for once, Marvel is actually sitting down...giving the readers a story and and some emotion to get behind for once, instead of just randomly tossing something at you and saying, "Hey, react to this!". And readers are getting mad because Peter doesn't look like he's the smartest guy in the room. And he doesn't look like the strongest one.

And I think that's why some people get upset because they think since Spider-Man is so popular with people that he has to be the best, toughest, and brightest in the Marvel Universe. And he's NOT! He's the EVERYDAY GUY of the Marvel Universe. And that's where people seem to be getting confused, in my opinion.

Hey, as I said in the opening of the post. If you and other fans already know what they have going down with Iron Man and Spider-Man...why are some posters getting so venomously mad and saying it's a mischaracterization? It's not. It just doesn't fit with many fans' mold of what THEY expect Spider-Man to be. And he'll never be that.

Sorry it is in any title where Ironman shows up, he just shows up in ASM more than the other titles.:spidey:

Sorry yes he is acting out of character and the super-daffy is a good comparison.:spidey:

The key word here is what YOU expect him to act like unfortunatly for you most polls show you in the minority liking this craptastic unmasking so you liking it is what the miniority likes it not the majority.:spidey:

See above response most people are not happy, and he has not been an everyman since joining the avengers also Peter is one of the smartest people on the planet so yes he is one of the smartest character's.
He is also usually one of the strongest I mean only real heavy hitters are stronger than him and he has other powers that put him on par with even the heavy hitters liks say spider sense....:spidey:

Umm and what about his loyality to say umm Captain America????? somehow its ok they just threw out those parts they were developing his releationship with CA.:spidey:

Again see above most people are upset with this see any common polls.

Umm huh they are just throwing crap at fans and going here react to this??? and again see above he is one of the smartest in any room he is in and usually one of the strongest as well also see above.:spidey:

Umm see above already answered he is one of the smartest and strongest....:spidey:

Umm we are upset because a minority thinks its not a mis-characterization while the majority says it is go figure the numbers are on our side so i guess by the numbers we are right and it is a mis-characterization....:spidey
:

[Norman Osborn]

Well, if you do know those things then what's the problem? /

Did you stop reading after the list?....cause I aint going through it again:(


Yes, Peter said "boss" way too many times throughout some of the books. Yes, I remember the trip to Washington, it was only a few months ago, haha. And it was only in the Amazing Spider-Man, not ALL THE TITLES!

But he's not acting out of character or like Super-Daffy Duck.. :confused:

I didn't say he was acting like Daffy Duck.....simply using an analogy to show how a strong ending to a story, that may well be enjoyed by many if not all, does not excuse a poor story that led to it!

He's acting like Peter Parker and that's all I expect him to act like.

I'm going to stop it here because there's clearly no room for either of our opinions to move if you believe he's acting like Peter Parker and my belief is that he hasn't acted like Pete since well before the Molten Man rip off....(Hydra Arc being the exception)

[SpideyInATree]

Sorry it is in any title where Ironman shows up, he just shows up in ASM more than the other titles.:spidey:

Sorry yes he is acting out of character and the super-daffy is a good comparison.:spidey:

The key word here is what YOU expect him to act like unfortunatly for you most polls show you in the minority liking this craptastic unmasking so you liking it is what the miniority likes it not the majority.:spidey:

See above response most people are not happy, and he has not been an everyman since joining the avengers also Peter is one of the smartest people on the planet so yes he is one of the smartest character's.
He is also usually one of the strongest I mean only real heavy hitters are stronger than him and he has other powers that put him on par with even the heavy hitters liks say spider sense....:spidey:

Umm and what about his loyality to say umm Captain America????? somehow its ok they just threw out those parts they were developing his releationship with CA.:spidey:

Again see above most people are upset with this see any common polls.

Umm huh they are just throwing crap at fans and going here react to this??? and again see above he is one of the smartest in any room he is in and usually one of the strongest as well also see above.:spidey:

Umm see above already answered he is one of the smartest and strongest....:spidey:

Umm we are upset because a minority thinks its not a mis-characterization while the majority says it is go figure the numbers are on our side so i guess by the numbers we are right and it is a mis-characterization....:spidey
:

Basically you're saying that I'm wrong because the majority of the posters here don't agree with me? That doesn't make me wrong.

Most of the posters around here don't like ANYTHING.

[Spiderluke]

Basically you're saying that I'm wrong because the majority of the posters here don't agree with me? That doesn't make me wrong.

Most of the posters around here don't like ANYTHING.You're not wrong. You just have differen't views. Whose to say who is right or wrong anyways?

[Norman Osborn]

Basically you're saying that I'm wrong because the majority of the posters here don't agree with me? That doesn't make me wrong.

Most of the posters around here don't like ANYTHING.

That's simply not true....most of the posters dislike what's happening in the spidey-verse but I cannot think of one poster on this entire board that hates everything...."Herr Logan" comes close but he at least uses intelligent dialogue to explain his stance....and if I'm not mistaken he's a fan of the "Doom" books.......

....but to prove a point.....I'll start a thread devoted to this very subject!!......:up:

[SpideyInATree]

That's simply not true....most of the posters dislike what's happening in the spidey-verse but I cannot think of one poster on this entire board that hates everything...."Herr Logan" comes close but he at least uses intelligent dialogue to explain his stance....and if I'm not mistaken he's a fan of the "Doom" books.......

....but to prove a point.....I'll start a thread devoted to this very subject!!......:up:

Seeing that this thread is in the Spider-Man comics forum I was refering to "Anything Spider-Man". I'm sure some people have a lot of fun with other titles. But being in this comic forum for as long as I have...a lot of posters here haven't liked ANYTHING. And I'm talking even before Sins Past.

[Norman Osborn]

Seeing that this thread is in the Spider-Man comics forum I was refering to "Anything Spider-Man". I'm sure some people have a lot of fun with other titles. But being in this comic forum for as long as I have...a lot of posters here haven't liked ANYTHING. And I'm talking even before Sins Past.

Gotcha!......:up:

although I've never heard a complaint about "Hydra" or "Feral"....

[SpideyInATree]

Gotcha!......:up:

although I've never heard a complaint about "Hydra" or "Feral"....

I have.

[Norman Osborn]

I have.

From "MOST" of the posters?:spidey:

[SpideyInATree]

YUP! :spidey:

[Norman Osborn]

YUP! :spidey:

I'll need a list....then a definition of most :D

[SpideyInATree]

I'll need a list....then a definition of most :D

Hey, you know where to go to find what you need. I can't do all the work for you! :eek: