Un-Masking supporters only.

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Like the Clone Saga thread, No bashing the unmasking in this thread.
Besides me, who else likes the fact that this is being done?

[ShadowBoxing]

Oh God....Quesada really split the internet in half :eek: :(

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Yep, he was actually correct for once.
:eek:

[Elijya]

I have absolutely no problem with this, it's something new being done with the character other than a cliche costume change.

I actually knew about this months ago, I assumed other people did too. I didn't know people were going to be this ridiculous about it.

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

But my only question is this: How does this benefit Peter Parker the man behind the mask? How does this enhance the popularity of Spider-Man the misunderstood superhero? How can this be a GOOD thing? Please, someone explain this to me. I hope my questions aren't viewed as being negative, or bashing.

[SonOfCthulhu]

I'm willing to see what stories come out of it. Can't turn out worse stories than when they let Todd Mcfarland script him. I'm for it.

[AlteredEgo]

i really am looking forward to seeing where this story is headed. :up:

[Rambo, John J]

But my only question is this: How does this benefit Peter Parker the man behind the mask? How does this enhance the popularity of Spider-Man the misunderstood superhero? How can this be a GOOD thing? Please, someone explain this to me. I hope my questions aren't viewed as being negative, or bashing.

Since when have any events in Peter Parkers life benefited him? He's always been hard done by - more often that not through his own actions.

In terms of enhancing his popularity, (in the Marvel universe) people have a face and name to go with the superhero identity. People who's life he has saved now have a person to thank. In the real world - from my own observations, people are talking about Spider-man 'coming out' and some have decided to read the new issues and buy back issues to catch up. A certain amount of bandwagoning, but i'm sure that's exactly what JQ wants.

As for how this can be a good thing... well, that depends on the writing. And also the fact that there is now a whole new avenue of storylines involving his public identity which previously just were not possible. But i'm sure we all know (and if some don't then you will in a second) that the second Civil War is finished, Spidey's identity will become secret again.

Make no mistake, this is a carefully marketed ploy to get the internet and other media abuzz and guess what, it's working. But as soon as Spidey's public identity stops causing waves it'll go back under wraps. Panic over. Disaster averted. Go about your business.

Move along.

Move along!

[mre]

I support the un-masking.

Started reading Civil War because of it. Excited for issue 3.
Where will they pick up the press conference? ASM? Or Civil War?

[Elijya]

pretty sure you'll see the next moments in ASM

Dan Slott told me he gets to cover JJJ's reaction in She-Hulk, so check there, too

[gildea]

i support it as long as its temporary

I should point out this isn't the first time this story has been done. Something many over reactors are ignoring.

[Webz14]

I wasn't strongly opposed to the heros unmasking TO THE GOV'T. Makes sense, and its probably how things would be in real life. But why are all the heros unmasking at press conferences? Couldn't Pete just have told SHIELD or someone instead of the whole world? It will be very interesting to see what comes of this....especially considering the cover to Civil War #5

:spidey:

[Webz14]

Also this is just a precursor to drive away MJ or have her killed.


Can't they let peter be happily married?!

[Elijya]

I wasn't strongly opposed to the heros unmasking TO THE GOV'T. Makes sense, and its probably how things would be in real life. But why are all the heros unmasking at press conferences? Couldn't Pete just have told SHIELD or someone instead of the whole world? It will be very interesting to see what comes of this....especially considering the cover to Civil War #5

:spidey:
He did it because Tony asked him to, because he wants Spider-Man to PUBLICLY show his support for registration to encourage other heroes to register as well.

[Electro UK]

As long as its temporary, I'm okay with it. I don't agree with the reasons he did it for, it seems he just totally ignored the fact doing this could lead to his familes death, but it'll be interesting to see what they do to the character. :up:

[gildea]

As long as its temporary, I'm okay with it. I don't agree with the reasons he did it for, it seems he just totally ignored the fact doing this could lead to his familes death, but it'll be interesting to see what they do to the character. :up:

true but his family live in the same tower as the sentry.

Its actually the best time to do this when they are so well protected.

[Superbeasto]

So, its true, Civil War is going to be one of the most relevant events in the history of comics...

[Elijya]

I like the idea of registration, I think it's an interesting story, and a practical evolution of how superheroes would really function in a society. I'll be much more upset if it gets taken back at the end of this

[Hobgoblin]

I'm always open to seeing new things done with a character. Who here hasnt wondered what would happen if Peter's ID were exposed? He has worried and fretted over this very possibility since Amazing Fantasy #15, and since I dont remember it ever actually happening (in what issues has this been done before, gildea?) I'm curious to finally see what would happen. After a while, a person will stop caring if Norman Osborn or Venom or whoever will expose Peter's ID, because we know it will never happen.

Oh and as long as Loki does his thing and makes all of this go away after its all said and done, all the better.

[Webz14]

I honestly think that they will let the unmaskings be. I doubt they will retract it because the cause of the retraction would have to be stupid. What keeps nagging at me is the memory of house of m...there was a something that slapped the marvel universe back in the face.

[The Question]

I have no problem with this myself. They're actually doing something new with the character. I mean, if we expect to get any good stories, we can't demand them to be the same stuff over and over again.

[JewishHobbit]

I've never wanted Spidey's I.D. to be revealed. When I heard the rumor of it happening during Civil War I was majorly against it (though I'm not a complainer, so I never said it here). I saw the end of Amazing Spiderman 532 and wondered if they'd go through with it... then as I read Civil War 2, I found myself enjoying the lead up and found myself really happy about the reveal (JJJ's reaction helped :)). Now I find myself extatic that it happened and I really want it to stick. The stories that can come from this are just huge, and I can't wait to read them. I don't think I've been so excited over spidey since I stopped reading him regularly after they retconned the clone saga. So yeah, I'm totally for this and am excited to see where this goes.

And I have a feeling judging by issue 2's ending, and the cover to Civil War 5, the villains are going to do just as everyone feared and they're going to go after Parker. My guess is that this will end with either MJ's death, or their separation for her own safety.

And by the way, I'm not a normal She-Hulker, but I am totally getting the reaction to JJJ!

[Themanofbat]

And by the way, I'm not a normal She-Hulker, but I am totally getting the reaction to JJJ!

What issue does this occur in?

Elijya, I'm looking at you for the answer....

:)

[USMC]

i really am looking forward to seeing where this story is headed. :up:


Here's a preview:


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[Elijya]

What issue does this occur in?

Elijya, I'm looking at you for the answer....

:)
probably next issue, #9, but I'm not 100% sure

[NHawk19]

I'm willing to give it a shot. . .

but they've accomplished their task with me anyway. I have to buy some issues to catch up.

[Themanofbat]

probably next issue, #9, but I'm not 100% sure

I'm shocked... :eek: :eek: :eek:

:(

[CaptainStacy]

I've never wanted Spidey's I.D. to be revealed. When I heard the rumor of it happening during Civil War I was majorly against it (though I'm not a complainer, so I never said it here). I saw the end of Amazing Spiderman 532 and wondered if they'd go through with it... then as I read Civil War 2, I found myself enjoying the lead up and found myself really happy about the reveal (JJJ's reaction helped :)). Now I find myself extatic that it happened and I really want it to stick. The stories that can come from this are just huge, and I can't wait to read them. I don't think I've been so excited over spidey since I stopped reading him regularly after they retconned the clone saga. So yeah, I'm totally for this and am excited to see where this goes.

And I have a feeling judging by issue 2's ending, and the cover to Civil War 5, the villains are going to do just as everyone feared and they're going to go after Parker. My guess is that this will end with either MJ's death, or their separation for her own safety.

And by the way, I'm not a normal She-Hulker, but I am totally getting the reaction to JJJ!

Pretty much the same for me, although Straz won me over with ASM #532...

I think Civil war has been dynamite so far....the regular series, and all the books leading up to it (Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts, Illuminatti, etc.,)

Marvel seems to be on the ball this time.
Let's hope they dont fall off when all is said and done.

[Webz14]

Just to show my support...

http://www.marvel.com/flashjunk/IronMan_425x100.jpg

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

I think that ASM #532 was written so well, that it definitely prepared you for the possibility of Peter unmasking. When he did, I was definitely shocked, but not upset. I think this leads the way for tons of story possibilities and I'm looking forward to see what comes out of it. Daredevil got outted as well, and his books have been amazing since.

[Superbeasto]

For those non suporters of spider man taking his mask off, its already done so... :o

[CaptainStacy]

Glad to hear that Dan Slott is handling Jameson's reaction...

Speaking of which; What are you guys expecting?

Will JJ be pissed off? Depressed? Forgiving?

Should Peter call him? Go see JJ in person and explain his reasons? Not see him at all?

Let's hear some thoughts.

[Spiderluke]

Glad to hear that Dan Slott is handling Jameson's reaction...

Speaking of which; What are you guys expecting?

Will JJ be pissed off? Depressed? Forgiving?

Should Peter call him? Go see JJ in person and explain his reasons? Not see him at all?

Let's hear some thoughts.
I think they should honestly have Jameson try to kick his ass. He'll fail, but it would be funny to see.

[El ASESINO]

I Have a question why are people so angry about this its just a comic?
no offense to anyone

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Looks like like I split the Internet in half :p

I formed one side.
WhatIfTales Started the other.

[Elijya]

I Have a question why are people so angry about this its just a comic?
no offense to anyone
some people feel invested in the characters and dislike most any change

[RogueLDN]

What if someone decided to take legal action against Peter for something hes done in the past?
could be interesting.

[Elijya]

What if someone decided to take legal action against Peter for something hes done in the past?
could be interesting.
She-Hulk's his lawyer :D

but yeah, seriously, moreso than anyone else Peter Parker could now be sued for a whole bunch of things

my only guess is that some sort of amnesty comes with registering

[Wams]

"Spider-Man No More" for Real.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CivilWar2_End.html
Pete wants MJ, Aunt May DEAD.
He wants to be sued by J.J.
He wants to never be able to get a Job.
Nobody would want to sit next to him on a bus or train
in fear of his enemies.
There is absolutely no reason for a costume ever...
Thus no reason to buy the book.
Marvel F**ked themselves...
Lame.:down

:spidey:
:supes:

[SpideyFan85]

"Spider-Man No More" for Real.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CivilWar2_End.html
Pete wants MJ, Aunt May DEAD.
He wants to be sued by J.J.
He wants to never be able to get a Job.
Nobody would want to sit next to him on a bus or train
in fear of his enemies.
There is absolutely no reason for a costume ever...
Thus no reason to buy the book.
Marvel F**ked themselves...
Lame.:down

:spidey:
:supes:
I thought there wasn't supposed to be any flaming in here? Hmmm... Btw, I support the un-masking... It will lead to some great stories, just you watch...

[Spiderluke]

I thought there wasn't supposed to be any flaming in here? Hmmm... Btw, I support the un-masking... It will lead to some great stories, just you watch...
I've been waiting awhile for a good story so I hope you're right.

[deemar325]

I'm all for ruining Spidey!!

[ben_reilly_s_s]

No unmasking bashing, you have your own thread for it.

[CaptainStacy]

Im interested in how the Daily Bugle will look in the public's eye...

Will they be laughing at Jameson, or acuse him of being in cahoots with Peter/Spider-Man the whole time in order to sell papers?

[crd1682]

If written well, this could be the best and most interesting thing that has happened to Spidey in a long time. It would be nice to finally read some Spidey tales without knowing exactly how they will turn out (I mean, Spidey dying in "The Other"? How could he NOT come back to life). I'm sure it will be retconned or whatever at the end of Civil War, or maybe I'm just in denial.

Oh well, till the end of Civil War I'll enjoy the ride.

[The Prowler]

Pretty much the same for me, although Straz won me over with ASM #532...

I think Civil war has been dynamite so far....the regular series, and all the books leading up to it (Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts, Illuminatti, etc.,)

Marvel seems to be on the ball this time.
Let's hope they dont fall off when all is said and done.

I agree 100%. Straz put together a fabulous issue in #532 that left me wondering about the possibilities if Spider-Man unmasked. To tell you the truth, I thought during the press conference something would happen to prevent Spidey from revealing his identity despite the fact he had come to the conclusion to do so. So I must give Marvel props for going through with it, and Civil War has been nothing short of AMAZING so far.

I certainly hope that this is leading to MJ's death in the near future, but I'm excited to see some change that doesn't involve messing enormously with 40-plus years of continuity (ie, Sins Past, Aunt May's "death," et al.).

Also I might add I'm somewhat beginning to like Spidey's new costume.

[AlteredEgo]

Here's a preview:


http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/toilet.jpg
EGAD MAN! SPOILER ALERT! :eek:

[AlteredEgo]

kinda an off-topic question but id rather ask it here then start a new thread on it. so at the end of this will there be some sort of compilation book or something coming out?

[Caliber]

I think this had to happen because CW would have no real affect if they didn't go there.

[Joker]

I like it...we all know they're somehow going to get it back to being secret in time like they do with ALL of these unmaskings (Iron Man, Daredevil seems to be going back to beign secret)...but even fi it were permanent, I'd still like it...nice twist on the character

[dan1]

I'm not for the un-masking, but obviously it's a split vote, so a lot of people like it.

But keep in mind, Peter is probably going to become an outlaw, a la Bruce Banner, and that has been done before:

Hulk anyone, Ben Reilly anyone.

I mean yes Spider-Man stories would be similar to early Web of Spider-Man, where he is traveling the country and even other countries, and saving the day, or one person, but yeah Peter Parker/Spider-Man can be put in any situation/theme and work it out.

It's just JMS, JoeQ decided to make him Bruce Banner/Hulk for awhile.

It will be fun for a year or two and then will get really boring, really quick,

and they will try to put the mask back on, so to speak, and they will have to come up with a really far fetched ret-con, and I thought ALL SIDES were tired of that already.

I mean, we all do agree on that, right? Retcon is a cop-out? HOw do you see Peter Parker as highway outlaw playing out 2 years down the road?

[littleredhat]

How come everyone only seems to care what JJJ and his enemies will do?

Everyone now knows who Spider-man is. He's going to answer all thier questions. The world he lives in will finally hear his story.

How will the general public react to Peter Parker?

I think they will fall in love with him. I mean we did.

Him and MJ are going to be hounded by reporters and paparazzi. There will be non stop interviews and movie,book and tv offers.

And what about MJ? How will this effect her carrer?

I'm in the boat that niether MJ nor May will be hurt. They are going to get personal bodyguards just like the families of other celebrities.

I think it will be Peter getting ambushed in his street clothes. Middle of the day just walking down the street spider-sense goes off,dog pile on Peter.:spidey:

I can't wait.:up:

[Webz14]

Ya know, the more I think about it, I kinda like this:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6058/ironman425x100copy3rx.jpg


I mean, I like the idea of change and to see where this is going, but then I think again that it's taking something away that was a "spidey classic."


A year from now we'll all be saying how shocking the next big idea at marvel is and be saying how we miss civil war :rolleyes:

[Tokyo Vigilante #1]

Parker revealed all and Jameson dropped to the ground like a stone. Fainted (maybe heart attack but I doubt it). A fitting initial reaction.

But what about long term? Hell, what about when these two meet face-to-face?

My mind jumps all over the place trying to picture this. I keep imagining like two or three pages of both characters, alone together, unable to speak. Just tons of facial expressions ranging many emotions and frustration trying say what needs to be said, but no words could really fit. Once one of these guys picks out something to say a new emotion would swoop in and the entire tone of the "conversation" would shift.

What could Jameson be thinking:
1.) I've been lied to. My worst enemy came in and scammed me. Took a paycheck from me to give pictures of himself -- what a scam -- and I took it. Made him famous, is what I did. He stood there in my office countless times as I ranted on what I had planned for Spider-Man in the editorial pages and he was/is Spider-Man. Like a spy. A spy I brought into my home and took money from me.
2.) How could you? I took you under my wing and you were this scumbag all along? I went to your wedding for God’s sake, hell you went to mine too! I brought you up in this second family of mine and…how could you?
3.) No way. It’s not him. I won’t hear it any other way, it’s just. Not. Him. Goodie-goodie little Parker? Criminal mastermind? Nah, Peter’s pulled this stunt before. Sure it’s on a bigger scale, but c’mon! It’s Peter Parker!
4.) You see this is why the masks have to come off! This is why! Journalists exist to keep people informed and that is a necessity in society. People need to know what’s going on in the world around them. We, as journalists, work to keep masks, both literal and figuratively, off schmucks and find their true intentions. And Peter Parker -- this wolf in sheep’s clothing -- is a perfect example. I treated this boy as not only a loyal employee, but also as a friend. Some around the office would even say: like a son. And because of masks he was able to walk around and pretend to be something he is not, a good human being, during the day and at night being the criminal he truly is.

And the famous vintage J.J. reaction:

5.) I knew it the whole time! Keep you friends close and your enemies, yadda, yadda, yadda -- that whole shtick. I’m telling you I knew! Real journalists always know. I was just testing these clowns in my bullpen, that‘s all. I’m telling you I knew!

And that’s just Jameson. What about Parker?:
1.) I’m so, so, so, sorry. I can’t believe I lied to the old guy for this long. Sure we had our problems, but…he doesn’t deserve to be hurt and embarrassed like this.
2.) Hey, did you hear the one about the employee who was actually a “masked menace” to New York? It’s a real zinger.
3.) Well, Jonah, you wanted to know. For years you were biting on my web heels to find out the secret of yours truly. Kind of sucks to know now, huh?
4.) Who’d you think it was? Your son? HA!

Or if this whole reveal backfires and Parker’s friends and family get attacked:

5.) You happy? You got what you wanted. My identity is out in the world. You won. Congrats to you. And now the person who you’ve know for the past decade is going to be the biggest target for every bad guy on the block. Every last one. Remember my Aunt May? Nice old lady. Baked you cookies and wheat cakes every Christmas and on your birthday without so much as a thank you? Yeah, that one. Uh, just saved her from getting attacked on the subway by Shocker and Hydro Man. She’s still shaking you know. Oh, and my wife M.J. You met her, right? You went to our wedding and all that, you ate fifty cocktail weenies and got sick and yelled at the cook -- good times. Anyway, she was just assaulted while doing he Broadway show by so mob guy I don’t think I’ve ever even heard of. Had to take her to the hospital where, guess what, she was attacked again by Rhino. Rhino. They guy that couldn’t find his own horn on top of his head is even smart enough to go after Mary Jane to get to me. And -- this was embarrassing -- on the way there he bumped into Tombstone, Boomerang, and like a dozen or so more guys that had the EXACT same idea. Can you believe it? “Great minds,” and all that.
But enough about my day. This is really YOUR day, isn’t it? It’s all about you, big guy. You finally got your way and now my identity’s out there. Kudos to you.

And that’s just Parker and Jameson. Could you imagine what the rest of the Bugle is going through? They’re suppose to be the top journalists around and they had the biggest story in New York under their nose for at least a decade! They must be laughing stocks in the media! Not as bad as the Daily Planet would feel if Clark came out, ‘cause of the whole glasses thing, but pretty damn close.

For Parker to come out and be under the Bugle’s nose for so long, it would have to be like the USA Today finding out Osama was writing their word jumbles this entire time. Or if the National Enquirer’s basement was a regular meeting place for a Tom Hanks/Steven Spielberg/Paris Hilton/Angela Joile/cast of Ocean’s Twelve orgy.

They’re either laughing stocks or being seen as scam artists who probably knew the whole time and that’s why they got such great photos. Like Jameson secretly sponsored Spidey or something. And Jameson’s rag goes from being the top newspaper for being such a strong force in the registration act, to being a joke you couldn’t give away.

*whew* My rant is done for now. Thoughts?

[GNR]

I like it.It's a big step forward and a big change.

[OzzyKP]

I am cautiously optomistic.

My heart sank when I first saw it "they can't do that! holy ****!"

But then again, if we fanboys demand that our star character never changes, never evolves, never breaks with tradition then that character loses something. If he loses the possibility of something big and momentus like revealing his identity to the whole fricken world, then each issue becomes isolated from every other. That just creates a weak character and a weak comic.

Peter graduated high school, graduated college, got married, Aunt May found out his identity, it's all part of his growth and evolution as a character. While difficult to imagine for us now, having a public identity is just one more aspect of the character's growth. Assuming they don't do a ridiculous retcon (please no) then I think this will be an intersting change in the long run - even if it's difficult to accept now.

[Webz14]

^I saw that exact same response in another thread :rolleyes:

[jayr727]

I am cautiously optomistic.

My heart sank when I first saw it "they can't do that! holy ****!"

But then again, if we fanboys demand that our star character never changes, never evolves, never breaks with tradition then that character loses something. If he loses the possibility of something big and momentus like revealing his identity to the whole fricken world, then each issue becomes isolated from every other. That just creates a weak character and a weak comic.

Peter graduated high school, graduated college, got married, Aunt May found out his identity, it's all part of his growth and evolution as a character. While difficult to imagine for us now, having a public identity is just one more aspect of the character's growth. Assuming they don't do a ridiculous retcon (please no) then I think this will be an intersting change in the long run - even if it's difficult to accept now.

Overall, I can say I feel the same way. But there are some moments where you have to think, "There is no way he would do that!" Nonetheless, the unmasking will bring interesting stories and that's coming from a guy who isn't completely against the unmasking, but definitely is very uneasy about it.

[amazingfantasy15]

Peter graduated high school, graduated college, got married, Aunt May found out his identity, it's all part of his growth and evolution as a character. While difficult to imagine for us now, having a public identity is just one more aspect of the character's growth. Assuming they don't do a ridiculous retcon (please no) then I think this will be an intersting change in the long run - even if it's difficult to accept now.

So in order for Spidey to grow he needs to give up his secret identity? How about having a kid or training someone to take over his work? That's seems a lot more like real life growth.

As for all the don't worry it'll get retconned responses. How does that make it better, that makes it a million times worse because it's another Marvel miniseries supposedly in continuity that doesn't matter.

"Outing" heroes can work if done well, Daredevil was outed and at great personal pain and sacrifice is trying to keep his secret. Iron Man is the other end of the spectrum Civil War Frontline is what the 3rd or 4th time Iron Man revealed himself in the past five years, everyone just seems to forget, so he has to remind them once every year or two?

[NateGray]

Sorry all but this is not splitting the internet in half if you like the unmasking you are a minority period end of discussion just check the lopsided poll....:down :eek:

[The Question]

3.) No way. It’s not him. I won’t hear it any other way, it’s just. Not. Him. Goodie-goodie little Parker? Criminal mastermind? Nah, Peter’s pulled this stunt before. Sure it’s on a bigger scale, but c’mon! It’s Peter Parker!


Since when has Jameson ever said that Spider-Man was a criminal mastermind? :confused:

[amazingfantasy15]

Or if this whole reveal backfires and Parker’s friends and family get attacked:

5.) You happy? You got what you wanted. My identity is out in the world. You won. Congrats to you. And now the person who you’ve know for the past decade is going to be the biggest target for every bad guy on the block. Every last one. Remember my Aunt May? Nice old lady. Baked you cookies and wheat cakes every Christmas and on your birthday without so much as a thank you? Yeah, that one. Uh, just saved her from getting attacked on the subway by Shocker and Hydro Man. She’s still shaking you know. Oh, and my wife M.J. You met her, right? You went to our wedding and all that, you ate fifty cocktail weenies and got sick and yelled at the cook -- good times. Anyway, she was just assaulted while doing he Broadway show by so mob guy I don’t think I’ve ever even heard of. Had to take her to the hospital where, guess what, she was attacked again by Rhino. Rhino. They guy that couldn’t find his own horn on top of his head is even smart enough to go after Mary Jane to get to me. And -- this was embarrassing -- on the way there he bumped into Tombstone, Boomerang, and like a dozen or so more guys that had the EXACT same idea. Can you believe it? “Great minds,” and all that.
But enough about my day. This is really YOUR day, isn’t it? It’s all about you, big guy. You finally got your way and now my identity’s out there. Kudos to you.

Yeah, but Peter wasn't pressured by JJJ to reveal his ID, so why lay a guilt trip like that on a guy that was completely uninvolved in his decision.

[deemar325]

No unmasking bashing, you have your own thread for it.

It's guys like you who allow Spidey to be ruined.

Anybody who relishes anything 'Clone Saga' should be b*tch slapped.

[SpideyInATree]

I didn't know people were going to be this ridiculous about it.

HAHA! Seriously, man.

"I'm dropping all Marvel titles now!!"

Ha.

And after it's died down some I've seen the "I'm dropping all Marvel titles!...Um, well, except Nextwave and Spider-Girl! BUT I'M DROPPING ALL MARVEL TITLES!!"

But I love that this has happened.

I've been waiting for them to unmask Spider-Man for like 13 years now. First of all, how regular everyday people in New York haven't figured out by now who Spider-Man really is has baffled me over the years.

Peter Parker takes pictures of Spider-Man....he's the same height, weight, and build as Spider-Man. But NO ONE NOTICES THIS?!?! :eek:

Hey, I'm all for the secret identity and it's helped make some entertaining stories for Spider-Man.

But he's had the mask and the secret identity thing has been around for 44 FREAKIN' YEARS NOW!!! Don't you think, temporarily at least, that maybe the guy can unmask and, we the fans, can get to see what Spidey's life is like when he takes the mask off.

Yes, I'd like this to be temporary and I would like to see the proverbial cat placed back into the bag...but for now we're going to be getting some exciting, interesting, and kick ass Spider-Man stories.

I'd rather have this going on then "OMG, Doctor Octopus is building a nuclear weapon! I must stop him!" "Oh no! Electro has drained the city of it's power, I have to stop him!"

At least we're getting something interesting and their actually having it make sense, as opposed to just having him randomly take off his mask. They did it, actually, in a nice respectful way to Spider-Man and Peter Parker.

I mean, they could have had Peter originally join the revolution side of things and then be hunted down by the heroes who support it and be unmasked THAT WAY!

But I'm in support of this and look forward to the intense stories that we're going to be getting.

What I don't understand though is the anger and animosity that some fans are showing.

Quesada and JMS are talking about a Lee/Ditko-esque Spider-Man. Jeph Loeb is coming to write an ongoing Spider-Man title. Now, is an unmasked Spider-Man a Lee/Ditko-esque Spider-Man? And do you really think that Jeph Loeb is going to write Spider-Man unmasked? In an Iron Man like costume? With a dead MJ or Aunt May?

For Spider-Man fans who have been demanding things to go back to how they've always been...they're really being unappreciative of what they're being handed here. A chance to take things back to what they want...

But I have to say, it is rather entertaining watching grown men freak out like little kids on a message board. :O

[supermarvelman]

***** slap me then.

[ben_reilly_s_s]

It's guys like you who allow Spidey to be ruined.

Anybody who relishes anything 'Clone Saga' should be b*tch slapped.
Ok, fine, whatever.
I left Marvel for what they did to Gwen.
Did me saving $1000.oo to $2000.oo a year on marvel, and them losing that much each year stop them from writing "The Other?"
NO.

No matter what we fans do or don't do, say or don't say, Marvel will do whatever they want, whenever they want.

It's their character, they can do whatever the hell they want to do with him.
It's make believe, not real.
most of you people have yet to realize this.

Some fans may not like some stories, some fans do.
Who cares. I don't really anymore, if I find something interesting, I'll give it a chance, if not I won't bother.
I'm only reading Civil War cause it sounds interesting.
I'm not so ga-ga over every little thing that happens or doesnt happen anymore, I grew up, you should too.

P.s.
I LOVE THE BEN REILLY SAGA.
so what if i do, how does me liking the Ben Reilly saga, impact you in any way? You fanboys made sure he was killed off, and your still B****ing about him.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Peter Parker takes pictures of Spider-Man....he's the same height, weight, and build as Spider-Man. But NO ONE NOTICES THIS?!?! :eek:

Come on now. Nit picking this is like complaining why can't anybody tell Clark Kent is Superman.

[Tokyo Vigilante #1]

Since when has Jameson ever said that Spider-Man was a criminal mastermind? :confused:

He's accused him of being in league with every villain on the planet just about. Said he was Electro, said he was working with the likes of Venom, Goblin, Kingpin, etc. It's not that hard to imagine.

[Tokyo Vigilante #1]

Yeah, but Peter wasn't pressured by JJJ to reveal his ID, so why lay a guilt trip like that on a guy that was completely uninvolved in his decision.

But JJ has been pressuring this agenda for years. I like to think Jameson has a little hand in this registration thing. The New Warrior thing was the final straw, sure. JJ was one of, if not THE, first guy in the MU to be anti-vigilante. He's like the godfather of this movement when you look back at the early days really.

And if Peter had his family attacked it's safe to say he'd be a bit on the emotional side. If he ran into JJ after that it would only be human for Peter to rip into him verbally. Especially if Jameson said something out of line, which...well it's JJ.

[AlteredEgo]

For Parker to come out and be under the Bugle’s nose for so long, it would have to be like the USA Today finding out Osama was writing their word jumbles this entire time.
*whew* My rant is done for now. Thoughts?lmao :D:up:

anyways, as for my thoughts, i think you brought up some really great points i never really thought of how betrayed JJJ could feel by the whole thing. :up:

[SpiderSangre]

I've changed sides. I was a mask on supporter, but I think I've figured out what their gonna do to fix this and I really like it.

If you're curious it's in the mask supporters thread.

[Webz14]

Come on now. Nit picking this is like complaining why can't anybody tell Clark Kent is Superman.

Anyway...he doesn't even have a mask, unless you count geeky glasses.

[OzzyKP]

It's guys like you who allow Spidey to be ruined.

Anybody who relishes anything 'Clone Saga' should be b*tch slapped.

I hated the Clone Saga, made me lose interest in comics for a while.

But I think this unmasking thing could be really good if done right. So far it looks like they are doing it right.

[Doc Destruction]

HAHA! Seriously, man.

"I'm dropping all Marvel titles now!!"

Ha.

And after it's died down some I've seen the "I'm dropping all Marvel titles!...Um, well, except Nextwave and Spider-Girl! BUT I'M DROPPING ALL MARVEL TITLES!!"


Actually, that has always been my stance, but thanks for being a prick about it. In those two cases, my love for the writers overrides the crap that is Marvel.

You're really being quite an elitist jerk, kiddo. I can't wait until something goes against what you like so I can return the favor.

[James"007"Bond]

How come everyone only seems to care what JJJ and his enemies will do?


I cant believe you sincerely asked this question.

[deemar325]

Ok, fine, whatever.
I left Marvel for what they did to Gwen.
Did me saving $1000.oo to $2000.oo a year on marvel, and them losing that much each year stop them from writing "The Other?"
NO.

No matter what we fans do or don't do, say or don't say, Marvel will do whatever they want, whenever they want.

It's their character, they can do whatever the hell they want to do with him.
It's make believe, not real.
most of you people have yet to realize this.

Some fans may not like some stories, some fans do.
Who cares. I don't really anymore, if I find something interesting, I'll give it a chance, if not I won't bother.
I'm only reading Civil War cause it sounds interesting.
I'm not so ga-ga over every little thing that happens or doesnt happen anymore, I grew up, you should too.

P.s.
I LOVE THE BEN REILLY SAGA.
so what if i do, how does me liking the Ben Reilly saga, impact you in any way? You fanboys made sure he was killed off, and your still B****ing about him.


I think I'm gonna stay immature on this one and say "Eat Me."


Have a nice day. :)

[SpideyInATree]

Actually, that has always been my stance, but thanks for being a prick about it. In those two cases, my love for the writers overrides the crap that is Marvel.

You're really being quite an elitist jerk, kiddo. I can't wait until something goes against what you like so I can return the favor.

Aw, poor baby. Did I hurt your feelings? :o

[Doc Destruction]

Hell no, that would insinuate that I give two craps about anything you say.

[Maximum Carnage]

pretty sure you'll see the next moments in ASM

Dan Slott told me he gets to cover JJJ's reaction in She-Hulk, so check there, too


.. As soon as we get a picture of Jameson's reaction, POST IT! Please.

[Won '08]

But my only question is this: How does this benefit Peter Parker the man behind the mask? How does this enhance the popularity of Spider-Man the misunderstood superhero? How can this be a GOOD thing? Please, someone explain this to me. I hope my questions aren't viewed as being negative, or bashing. So everything that happens to Peter has to be positive? Interesting concept.

[AlteredEgo]

I've changed sides. I was a mask on supporter, but I think I've figured out what their gonna do to fix this and I really like it.

If you're curious it's in the mask supporters thread.'k, i looked in the other thread for awhile but im not really sure what youre alluding to. if you could be more specific or just post it here that would help a lot. plus i dont like going in there more then i have to, they're like an angry lynch mob, i mean, if i had a quarter for every "let's hang Joe Q.!!!" post in there- well i would have quite a few quarters. :up:

[Won '08]

.. As soon as we get a picture of Jameson's reaction, POST IT! Please.he immediately fainted

[SpideyStu2]

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NJF2art/CIVWAR002_intPage31.jpg

[SpideyInATree]

Hell no, that would insinuate that I give two craps about anything you say.

And if you didn't care what I had to say you would have never come into the "Un-Masking supporters only" thread and responded to what I had to say.

But you did.

Therefore, meaning that you DO give two craps about what I say, especially about you. :)

[Doc Destruction]

Yeah, no. Since you had the cajones to call me out, I thought I'd explain my stance to those who DO matter around here, since it might sound hypocritical to those with less brain cells.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, no. Since you had the cajones to call me out, I thought I'd explain my stance to those who DO matter around here, since it might sound hypocritical to those with less brain cells.

Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that. As long as it makes you feel more justified. Remember, you're the one who's always responding to me. :)

[Doc Destruction]

And you can continue your martyr complex elitist crap up too. UH OH...I RESPONDED TO YOU!

[Nebins]

If anyone gets this in time right now on G4 they are doing a thing on Spidey unmasking for the next abotu 5 min.

[Nebins]

Oh and 41% of people said it would ruin the character and 59% said no. Just an interesting little factoid.

[Superbeasto]

Yeah, no. Since you had the cajones to call me out, I thought I'd explain my stance to those who DO matter around here, since it might sound hypocritical to those with less brain cells.
Its cojones, no cajones

[Spiderluke]

Its cojones, no cajonesWhen will people learn.:)

[Doc Destruction]

Its cojones, no cajones

Damn! Ah well...love that word though.

[dan1]

And you can continue your martyr complex elitist crap up too. UH OH...I RESPONDED TO YOU!

Yes, SIAT, finally someone has given us a neat little explanation of your glowing personality, "martyr elitist crap."

I can do better though I think..... "hypocrite."

Hey SIAT, want me to pull the "Dragon Cronicles" back out? Where he pounds you all over the thread, into submition? Let's see how much you care there, about what opposing views think, ha, you're a poser.

I told myself I'd repost those anytime you started getting on people with your "martyr elitist crap."

Maybe today, maybe tomorrow, but soon definitely.

[deemar325]

And if you didn't care what I had to say you would have never come into the "Un-Masking supporters only" thread and responded to what I had to say.

But you did.

Therefore, meaning that you DO give two craps about what I say, especially about you. :)

I care SpideyTree.
:)

[SpideyInATree]

Yes, SIAT, finally someone has given us a neat little explanation of your glowing personality, "martyr elitist crap."

I can do better though I think..... "hypocrite."

Hey SIAT, want me to pull the "Dragon Cronicles" back out? Where he pounds you all over the thread, into submition? Let's see how much you care there, about what opposing views think, ha, you're a poser.

I told myself I'd repost those anytime you started getting on people with your "martyr elitist crap."

Maybe today, maybe tomorrow, but soon definitely.

Its funny, you know. You guys are coming at ME. In the "Unmasking supporters" thread. From what I saw the two of you hate the idea that Spider-Man unmasked.

Now both you and Doc Destruction could easily PM me and we could hash our little problems out...but you decide to come in this thread and, basically, attack me.

Go ahead and post it again. Post it everyday if it really means that much to you, haha.

And you can continue your martyr complex elitist crap up too. UH OH...I RESPONDED TO YOU!

Well, you're the one saying you "don't give two craps". For a guy who doesn't care you sure like attacking me a lot.

[SpideyInATree]

I care SpideyTree.
:)

You complete me. :O

[deemar325]

You complete me. :O


:up:

Even though we dissagreed on things, I like that your cool about it. Your the one pro-unmasking guy I respect.

[SpideyInATree]

:up:

Even though we dissagreed on things, I like that your cool about it. Your the one pro-unmasking guy I respect.

I respect you too, along with many posters on here. Just because we disagree about Spider-Man doesn't mean we have to dislike one another.

[deemar325]

Now I got a 'man crush'.

[Doc Destruction]

Its funny, you know. You guys are coming at ME. In the "Unmasking supporters" thread. From what I saw the two of you hate the idea that Spider-Man unmasked.

Now both you and Doc Destruction could easily PM me and we could hash our little problems out...but you decide to come in this thread and, basically, attack me.

Go ahead and post it again. Post it everyday if it really means that much to you, haha.



Well, you're the one saying you "don't give two craps". For a guy who doesn't care you sure like attacking me a lot.

Yeah, remember that whole marytr thing I was talking about? Thanks for proving my point.

And remember, YOU called ME out by using me in your snide little remark about my buying habits.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, remember that whole marytr thing I was talking about? Thanks for proving my point.

And remember, YOU called ME out by using me in your snide little remark about my buying habits.

I don't recall ever using your name. I could be talking about anybody.

And it's spelled martyr...

[Doc Destruction]

Yeah right...anybody who dropped all titles but the exact ones that I mentioned.

Nice try to look innocent, though.

[CConn]

While I certainly don't know what was going through SIAT's head, I can say I use specific people as random examples quite frequently with no intention of "calling them out". Most of the time I don't even expect them to see the post. I just say whatever's fresh in my mind as an example.

[THEBIGBAD]

going to wait and see where the storys go then I will say.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah right...anybody who dropped all titles but the exact ones that I mentioned.

Nice try to look innocent, though.

But...I am innocent. You're the one who came in here and attacked me.

And, once again, for someone who doesn't really care too much you sure like responding back to me.

[Doc Destruction]

This conversation now bores me. Carry on.

[SpideyInATree]

This conversation now bores me. Carry on.

What conversation? You just came in here to attack me, haha.

In the words of Bugs Bunny, "What a MAROON!" :spidey:

[Doc Destruction]

Had to have the last word, eh? Damn, this is like talking to my wife. I said I was bored, so move on.

[SpideyInATree]

Had to have the last word, eh? Damn, this is like talking to my wife. I said I was bored, so move on.

But you're the one who said it was boring? And that you don't give two craps about what I say.

And it's not about getting the last word. There are like hundreds of threads we post around in here. It's not like we won't see each other again. :O

And if you're comparing me to your wife...wow, maybe you should get a divorce then.

[Doc Destruction]

Last word again, eh?

[SpideyInATree]

Last word again, eh?

Yes, Mr. I'm bored and don't care what SpideyInATree has to say. :)

[Doc Destruction]

whatever, last word boy.

[SpideyInATree]

Well, technically it would be you who is last word boy. You keep responding back. And then you say you're bored with the conversation and that you don't give two craps what I say.

But I guess you don't want to lose face in front of all your fellow Hype Spidey posters, now do you? :)

[Doc Destruction]

How could I possibly lose face to someone like you? And for the record, you did it again.

[SpideyInATree]

How could I possibly lose face to someone like you? And for the record, you did it again.

I didn't say me, I said your fellow Hype Spider-Man posters. Am I your fellow?

Oops, I did it again! :eek:

I thought that this conversation was boring. And that you didn't give two craps what I said? If you didn't care what I had to say then you wouldn't have asked me that question.

In fact, you would have put me on ignore a long time ago if you really didn't care what I had to say. :)

And I did it again. Oh well. I guess I'm just like your wife then, huh? So, how would it feel looking at your wife now and you'll think of me...wow, that must really suck now.

[Doc Destruction]

What a sad little child you are. I'll be the bigger man and stop now, I guess. And when you wonder why people on these boards ATTACK you so callously and without reason, take solace in the fact that you are so far above it all that nary a scratch will land on you.

Pathetic.

[Kevin]

i'm not gonna even try to read all of these posts. i'm kool with the unmasking. hopefully now, peter kicks flash's ass. i always kinda hated that guy. i started liking him when him and peter were friends, now he doesn't remember the time they were friends? there's no reason for me to like him. Peter, KICK HIS MOTHA F***ING ASS!! SHOW HIM JUST HOW PUNY PARKER REALLY IS!!!

[Kaleb]

im cool with the unmasking , honestly I dont see what the whole big deal about it is.

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

Since when have any events in Peter Parkers life benefited him? He's always been hard done by - more often that not through his own actions.

In terms of enhancing his popularity, (in the Marvel universe) people have a face and name to go with the superhero identity. People who's life he has saved now have a person to thank. In the real world - from my own observations, people are talking about Spider-man 'coming out' and some have decided to read the new issues and buy back issues to catch up. A certain amount of bandwagoning, but i'm sure that's exactly what JQ wants.

As for how this can be a good thing... well, that depends on the writing. And also the fact that there is now a whole new avenue of storylines involving his public identity which previously just were not possible. But i'm sure we all know (and if some don't then you will in a second) that the second Civil War is finished, Spidey's identity will become secret again.

Make no mistake, this is a carefully marketed ploy to get the internet and other media abuzz and guess what, it's working. But as soon as Spidey's public identity stops causing waves it'll go back under wraps. Panic over. Disaster averted. Go about your business.

Move along.

Move along!
Point well taken, so this is a non- "What-If?" type-thing then, huh? But for real until the thrill is gone? Don't get me wrong, i'm still gonna stand behind Spider-Man- and i'd be lying if i said i wasn't the LEAST bit intrigued as to how this is going to play out. I just hope this isn't a PERMANENT thing, is all.

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

I didn't say me, I said your fellow Hype Spider-Man posters. Am I your fellow?

Oops, I did it again! :eek:

I thought that this conversation was boring. And that you didn't give two craps what I said? If you didn't care what I had to say then you wouldn't have asked me that question.

In fact, you would have put me on ignore a long time ago if you really didn't care what I had to say. :)

And I did it again. Oh well. I guess I'm just like your wife then, huh? So, how would it feel looking at your wife now and you'll think of me...wow, that must really suck now.WHAT??!! I've never read a post by you like this SIAT! Straight gangsta! (LOL!) Actually lemme stop! But i haven't seen you get into it with anybody here in my 6 years on this board- so this is DEFINITELY a first for me! (Not saying you haven't, but i HAVEN'T seen it!)

[SpideyInATree]

WHAT??!! I've never read a post by you like this SIAT! Straight gangsta! (LOL!) Actually lemme stop! But i haven't seen you get into it with anybody here in my 6 years on this board- so this is DEFINITELY a first for me! (Not saying you haven't, but i HAVEN'T seen it!)

Doc Destruction seems to have something against me simply because I have a different opinion of Spider-Man than he does. And he actually compared me to his wife, which I find really humorous.

[Doc Destruction]

Wow, you just really didn't get that metaphor. I'll try not to use them in the future.

[Morg]

SpideyInATree and Doc Destruction, knock it off or else