Could Jameson take Peter Parker to court.

[D-day]

Do you think that JJJ could take Peter to court?. Because he's been conning/selling him pictures of "Spider-man" for years, when he is infact Spider-man? It just seems like the sort of thing that he would do. :confused:

:unishr:

[dan1]

Sounds Lame.

No offense.

Peter was a vigilante anyway. Does the government pardon him and he becomes a civil servant?

Does he become a vigilante with the mask off and travel the country a la Hulk, more likely. That actually would be interesting, but again, the Hulk and Ben Reilly has been their, done that.

No talent hack JMS has to copy Hulk now, since he CAN'T WRITE SPIDER-MAN.

He can write, Star Trek, Highlander, Doc Strange, and probably a good Hulk(Maskless Peter) whoopity-do :rolleyes:

[D-day]

Whu...? :confused:

[dan1]

Whu...? :confused:

Don't know why you're confused. If the government pardons Spidey for all his past actions while living a double life, Jameson has no case and it would be thrown out. If not, then Maybe Peter goes on the run for a few years.

:thing:

[Captivated]

What con?! Peter sold JJJ pictures of Spider-Man in action. They WERE pictires of Spider-Man in action. He always said, don't ask me how I got them...

[spidey-dude]

yeah there does not seem to be any con jjj asked for pictures of spiderman and peter sold them to him, end of the day why would he sue he got better photo's from peter for his front page, im more interested to see what he will say to peter

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Of course, now that he's out he could finish suin' JJ fer libel...

[Doc Destruction]

THAT's what I want to read in comic books! LITIGATION! WHOO!

Zzzzzzzzz

[D-day]

Well I hate to say I told you so, but check out the preview of Amazing Spider-man #533 with JJJ taking Peter to court for $5million. I knew it! :o

:unishr:

[Effect]

Like others have said, where is the con? He asked for pictures of Spider-man. Peter Parker is Spider-man. He sold him pictures of himself. It's not like Peter isn't Spider-man and he just dressed up to take the pictures and sold them. Then it would actually be a con since he never gave JJJ what he wanted. In the end he actually gave JJJ what he requested. End of story. JJJ just didn't know that Peter was Spider-man. That isn't a con at all from how I understand things.

It will most likely be thrown out of court. Peter shouldn't even worry about it I feel, he didn't do anything wrong, just gave what was requested of him. Is it any different from say a actor selling a photograph of themselves to a fan or newspaper. Or selling photos of their family to hollywood magazines for PR when requested for them? What could JJ actually say that would allow him to sue Peter I wonder.

[ru8up75]

If he does sue JJJ better be careful before Pete sues him libel now that everyone knows who he is it could damage his image, not just his masked altar ego.

[spidey-dude]

surely jjj would have doubts whether or not peter is spiderman, he saw them togetehr in bens run

[Webz14]

SPOILER





Jameson IS taking peter to court, as revealed in ASM 533, for 5 million dollars

[D-day]

Dude! Read the posts, I already said that. :confused:

:unishr:

[Webz14]

:o I see. I think I missed that the first time

*blushes and runs*

[Spiderluke]

SPOILER





Jameson IS taking peter to court, as revealed in ASM 533, for 5 million dollars
Cant' wait to see that.

[spidey-dude]

just because he is trying to do it dosnt mean he will win....he is hotheaded and thinks too fast his natural reaction is too sue him, i dunno though i think that maybe jms is only using the surface of jamesons character, i seem to remember during the web of carnage (95?) that he said one of the bugles finest career moves was having peter, and jjj cares for peter, i know he would have mixed emotions as he hates spidey but he thought his own son was spidey and didnt hate his own son.....we shall see mayber im talking a load of bull

[Webz14]

just because he is trying to do it dosnt mean he will win....he is hotheaded and thinks too fast his natural reaction is too sue him, i dunno though i think that maybe jms is only using the surface of jamesons character, i seem to remember during the web of carnage (95?) that he said one of the bugles finest career moves was having peter, and jjj cares for peter, i know he would have mixed emotions as he hates spidey but he thought his own son was spidey and didnt hate his own son.....we shall see mayber im talking a load of bull

Actually, I think Jonah has a case. I mean how many times over the past 40 years has the bugle been trashed by spiderman? Too many. Then there was the incident with jonah adn spidey been bound together with a bomb...Meh, JJJ has something to go on.

But since Iron Man and Spidey are such good friends, IM can just pick up the tab. Yeah right.

[Trask]

Actually I think that Peter could bring up some very big charges against JJJ. Has everyone forgotten the number of times he has tried to kill him or has paid someone to kill him (remember Scorpion or Smythe and the spiderslayers).

[vegeta21]

Remember that Peter did convince Jonh that John was Spider-Man. That's a good case for fraud right there.

[Trask]

Remember that Peter did convince Jonh that John was Spider-Man. That's a good case for fraud right there.

I dont think JJJ will want to bring that up since, if I remember correctly, he did not give the whole reward to Peter (In fact he kept most of it himself), and since it was not his money and the person who put up the money wanted it to be given to the person who reveals Spider-Man's ID, what JJJ did could be seen as theft/fraud itself. Besides since Peter outed himself that reward should go to him now anyway (the whole 1 mil if I remeber correctly), so he could actually demand that JJJ give him the rest of the money.

[Silicon Surfer]

The creation of the Spider Slayers and the Scorpion are instances of conspiracy to commit murder not to mention the times that Jameson has libeled Spidey in his newspaper. Spidey stands a good chance of getting rich off of Jameson

[storyteller]

Well legally(given the original posters choice of what to sue for), the judge assuming he isnt a prick can not go in favor of Jameson.

What does jameson have to sue for?

He asked peter for pictures of spiderman. Peter gave him legit pictures of spiderman. Peter fullfilled his part of the bargain. Revelation of identity was not apart of the deal and so Jameson has no standing. Also jameson sold papers with peters pictures. So where are the damages? None, Jameson has no damages to settle with peter. If he does then peters pictures of himself will more then justify reimbursment. But given supervillains being actually responsible for those damages. Jameson has no bearing to sue.

Hell Peter can sue the Bugle efor all the libel against him .

[Trask]

Well legally(given the original posters choice of what to sue for), the judge assuming he isnt a prick can not go in favor of Jameson.

What does jameson have to sue for?

He asked peter for pictures of spiderman. Peter gave him legit pictures of spiderman. Peter fullfilled his part of the bargain. Revelation of identity was not apart of the deal and so Jameson has no standing. Also jameson sold papers with peters pictures. So where are the damages? None, Jameson has no damages to settle with peter. If he does then peters pictures of himself will more then justify reimbursment. But given supervillains being actually responsible for those damages. Jameson has no bearing to sue.

Hell Peter can sue the Bugle efor all the libel against him .

Actually Peter cant sue the Bugle for past libel's since he already sued the Bugle as Spiderman and decided to settle out of court, so JJJ is safe on that front.

What he can do is bring up charges of assualt and attempted murder against JJJ and sue him for damages in civil courts under those charges.

[ZeroCorpse]

Alright...

JJJ's lawsuit has no merit. He's claiming fraud and wants the money back for all the photos based on that. The problem is that there's no fraud involved. He paid Pete to take pictures of Spider-Man, and that is exactly what Pete did. The Bugle sold a lot of issues and made a lot of money on those photos, so no "damage" was done to JJJ. The only way this is fraud is if the photos turn out to be fake- i.e., not really Spider-Man.

This is not the case. The photos ARE Spider-Man. The photographer is the one who misrepresented himself, but that's no different than any other artist working under a professional alias. The value of the photos isn't judged based on who produced them, but on the subject and quality of the photos.

JJJ paid for photos of Spider-Man. JJJ got photos of Spider-Man. There's no fraud here.

Think about it this way: If Hulk Hogan set up a tripod and took a bunch of self-photos of himself in various Hulk Hogan poses, in the HH costume, and then sold them to Pro Wrestling Illustrated under his real name of Terry Bolea, would that be fraud? No. PWI is getting what they paid for, and there's no crime in taking photos of yourself and selling them under an assumed name, so we can logically state that there is no crime in taking photos of yourself under an assumed name and then selling them via your legal name.

Another point: As Pete has operated as Spider-Man for many years now, he's probably legally allowed to use "Spider-Man" as a name. After so many years in common usage, the courts accept "stage names" as legal names.

So Spider-Man sold pictures of Spider-Man to the Daily Bugle, and had the checks made out to Peter Parker. No crime. JJJ's out of luck.

Let me also point out that Tony Stark's lawyers would eat The Daily Bugle's lawyers for lunch, even if JJJ did have a case, which he doesn't.

[Cyclops]

Peter HAS faked Spidey photos before. Case in point Electro's first appearance. He made it appear that Spider-Man was Electro so he could get some easy money off of JJ.

[Happenstance]

I havent got around to reading the issue yet but does JJJ actually decide to take Pete to court or is it one of those spur of them moment things he would shout out after the shock of the reveal?

[Donald Thomas]

The creation of the Spider Slayers and the Scorpion are instances of conspiracy to commit murder not to mention the times that Jameson has libeled Spidey in his newspaper. Spidey stands a good chance of getting rich off of Jameson

Aloha,
Very good point. Also there was the trial that She Hulk was a part of. Peter should counter sue JJJ for all he's worth. Conspiracy to commit murder is no joke.JJJ should fry.
Spidy rules

[Donald Thomas]

Peter HAS faked Spidey photos before. Case in point Electro's first appearance. He made it appear that Spider-Man was Electro so he could get some easy money off of JJ.

Aloha,
Good point. All JJJ has to do is discover that from ...Electro? I don't think so. But you are right in the legal sense.
Spidey rules

[Cyclops]

It was brought up the time Spider-Man sued JJ in "She-Hulk"... that's why Spidey's lawyer decided to include Parker on the suit (and why Spidey decided to settle out of court).

[Donald Thomas]

It was brought up the time Spider-Man sued JJ in "She-Hulk"... that's why Spidey's lawyer decided to include Parker on the suit (and why Spidey decided to settle out of court).
Aloha,
Very true but in order for it to have any meaning for Spidey now it would require Marvel to practice crosss continuity:eek:
Spidey rules

[Shadowknight]

It'll never happen, but it would be vastly amusing if when Marvel decides to ditch the Iron Spidey suit, that it WAS because he lost it in the Spidey Suite (pun intended). Can you imagine Jameson walking around in a shapshifting spider-man suit? Comedy gold.

[Galactus]

Here's what JMS said about it:

Having worked as a journalist for a lot of newspapers and magazines
myself, there are a LOT of elements that JJJ can sue Peter over. Not
just sue, but win.

You sign a contract with a newspaper indemnifying them and giving them
certain guarantees concerning the nature of the material you're giving
them: that it hasn't been staged, that you have no personal stake in
the material being covered, that the representations made are honest,
that there was no collusion between you and the source of your piece,
and a bunch of other contractual requirements.

So Jonah can come after Peter for misrepresentation, fraud, breach of
contract, passing off, violating the clauses of his indemnification of
the newspaper, exposing the paper to ridicule, and about a dozen other
torts that would be slam-dunks in any court in the land.

jms

[Donald Thomas]

Here's what JMS said about it:

Having worked as a journalist for a lot of newspapers and magazines
myself, there are a LOT of elements that JJJ can sue Peter over. Not
just sue, but win.

You sign a contract with a newspaper indemnifying them and giving them
certain guarantees concerning the nature of the material you're giving
them: that it hasn't been staged, that you have no personal stake in
the material being covered, that the representations made are honest,
that there was no collusion between you and the source of your piece,
and a bunch of other contractual requirements.

So Jonah can come after Peter for misrepresentation, fraud, breach of
contract, passing off, violating the clauses of his indemnification of
the newspaper, exposing the paper to ridicule, and about a dozen other
torts that would be slam-dunks in any court in the land.

jms

Aloha,
wow. The only thing Peter could do is counter sue. Spider Slayers,Scorpion. JJJ financed those things with intent to do harm to Spider-Man. He financed a vigilante and killer robots. Also, JJJ has known on numerous occassions that Spider-Man was not guilty of a particular act-I woud say that Peter's lawyers could claim an ongoing campaign of slander and libel.He could get Robbie and others who would have to testify under oathe that on numerous occassions, they told JJJ that Spidey was not proven the guilty party, but JJJ ran the story anywayas if he was.
Spidey rules with laws and rules

[Dragon]

Here's what JMS said about it:

Having worked as a journalist for a lot of newspapers and magazines
myself, there are a LOT of elements that JJJ can sue Peter over. Not
just sue, but win.

You sign a contract with a newspaper indemnifying them and giving them
certain guarantees concerning the nature of the material you're giving
them: that it hasn't been staged, that you have no personal stake in
the material being covered, that the representations made are honest,
that there was no collusion between you and the source of your piece,
and a bunch of other contractual requirements.

So Jonah can come after Peter for misrepresentation, fraud, breach of
contract, passing off, violating the clauses of his indemnification of
the newspaper, exposing the paper to ridicule, and about a dozen other
torts that would be slam-dunks in any court in the land.

jms

Alot of those are bull as far as Peter is ocncerned and almost impossible for Jonah to prove in other cases.

Peter has as mentioned above faked photos. In the case of the Electro scenario however, he gave JJJ photos of Electro's being captured for free as an exchange. And JJJ knew about the Electro photos being faked, and accepted the real photos. So he has no case in that situation.

And then there are the fakes outting John as Spider-Man. that's another level that i chock up to bad editorial policy. Plain and simple Peter Parker (The real one) qwould never do such a thing. That whole story was a mass of terrible writing and I don't get how the boneheads at Marvel let that one through. That was a low even for the guys who made Sins Past.

As for the other stuff, Peter hasn't faked the battles and criminal captures, certainly has never placed the Bugle in a position for fraud or ridicule. If anything, Jonah with his baseless charages against Spider-Man has done that himself. And then there were the numerous, illegal attempts he'd made on Spider-Man's life, the damage to property, and endangering of the public by setting loose Spider slayers and villains like the Scorpion.

[stillanerd]

Alot of those are bull as far as Peter is ocncerned and almost impossible for Jonah to prove in other cases.

Peter has as mentioned above faked photos. In the case of the Electro scenario however, he gave JJJ photos of Electro's being captured for free as an exchange. And JJJ knew about the Electro photos being faked, and accepted the real photos. So he has no case in that situation.

And then there are the fakes outting John as Spider-Man. that's another level that i chock up to bad editorial policy. Plain and simple Peter Parker (The real one) qwould never do such a thing. That whole story was a mass of terrible writing and I don't get how the boneheads at Marvel let that one through. That was a low even for the guys who made Sins Past.

As for the other stuff, Peter hasn't faked the battles and criminal captures, certainly has never placed the Bugle in a position for fraud or ridicule. If anything, Jonah with his baseless charages against Spider-Man has done that himself. And then there were the numerous, illegal attempts he'd made on Spider-Man's life, the damage to property, and endangering of the public by setting loose Spider slayers and villains like the Scorpion.

Well said. But there was that one instance where Spider-Man DID fake a battle between himself and the Sandman in Amazing Spider-Man #4, in which after Spidey captured him, he realized he forgot to take photos of the battle, so he threw some sand in the air and took pictures of himself "punching" through it. But yeah, that's probably the only time that I can think of where Peter deliberately faked a photo.

However, if anything, the Daily Bugle is actually the one in trouble because the public might get the impression that since one of the Daily Bugle's photographers was in fact Spider-Man, Jameson was, ironically, making a publicity stunt to sell newspapers featuring Spider-Man, no matter how negative the articles were. "Besides" the public says, throwing Jolly Jonah's words back in his face, "Maybe Spider-Man and Jameson were partners?":)

[MyPokerShirt]

Anybody read She-Hulk #9? Looks like peter will get amnesty from the President of the United States because he unmasked. Minor spoilers: JJJ attacks She-Hulk with a spider slayer but then they become friends as she promises she can sue the pants off pete. Then she whispers to her hubby John that she'd keep it in the courts for years. So looks like this possible story thread is gone. Hope the spider-man writers realise its been covered in She-Hulk now and don't come up with a conflicting story.

[Donald Thomas]

Here's what JMS said about it:

Having worked as a journalist for a lot of newspapers and magazines
myself, there are a LOT of elements that JJJ can sue Peter over. Not
just sue, but win.

You sign a contract with a newspaper indemnifying them and giving them
certain guarantees concerning the nature of the material you're giving
them: that it hasn't been staged, that you have no personal stake in
the material being covered, that the representations made are honest,
that there was no collusion between you and the source of your piece,
and a bunch of other contractual requirements.

So Jonah can come after Peter for misrepresentation, fraud, breach of
contract, passing off, violating the clauses of his indemnification of
the newspaper, exposing the paper to ridicule, and about a dozen other
torts that would be slam-dunks in any court in the land.

jms
Aloha,
While this may be true of people with a contract. Peter is a Free lancer. He does not work for the Bugle and to my knowledge has no contract with the Bugle. He can be hired and fired at the whim of JJJ which he has.
SPidey rules

[Dragon]

Aloha,
While this may be true of people with a contract. Peter is a Free lancer. He does not work for the Bugle and to my knowledge has no contract with the Bugle. He can be hired and fired at the whim of JJJ which he has.
SPidey rules

Peter did take on a job as a staff photographer in ASM #99 but i'm not sure how long that status lasted. I'd guess until Wolfman's run when he started working at the Globe, but i could be wrong. So i suppose the contractual obligations would have applied there.

But again, the question of Jameson proving any actual wrong doing is the thing. Peter was never guilty of fraud, never staged anything and never put the Bugle in a position of being ridiculed, except for proving Jonah's theories about Spidey wrong.

[Dragon]

Anybody read She-Hulk #9? Looks like peter will get amnesty from the President of the United States because he unmasked. Minor spoilers: JJJ attacks She-Hulk with a spider slayer but then they become friends as she promises she can sue the pants off pete. Then she whispers to her hubby John that she'd keep it in the courts for years. So looks like this possible story thread is gone. Hope the spider-man writers realise its been covered in She-Hulk now and don't come up with a conflicting story.

Wait- he attacks her with a Spider Slayer, and she doesn't bring up the illagality of that?

[Donald Thomas]

Anybody read She-Hulk #9? Looks like peter will get amnesty from the President of the United States because he unmasked. Minor spoilers: JJJ attacks She-Hulk with a spider slayer but then they become friends as she promises she can sue the pants off pete. Then she whispers to her hubby John that she'd keep it in the courts for years. So looks like this possible story thread is gone. Hope the spider-man writers realise its been covered in She-Hulk now and don't come up with a conflicting story.
Aloha,
Also just read She Hulk #9. Peter doesn't own the Iron Spidey suit-Tony Stark does. Jen won't be the one keeping it in court for years-Starks lawyers will.
Spidey rules

[MyPokerShirt]

^what are you on about? you're just guessing at that. she says SHE'LL keep it in the court for years. anyway technically tony gave pete the suit so...

and yeah JJ acts like a complete bigoted racist dick. kept going on about her green skin. how inapropriate is that when she's your son's new bride?? anyway i think it was all for comic relief more than anything. maybe to tie up the law suit loose ends (they probs wont mention it in spideys main books)

[Shadowknight]

Wait- he attacks her with a Spider Slayer, and she doesn't bring up the illagality of that?
Because she's used to heroes beating each other up out of anger or some sort of mixup. More likely, she now has JJJ as her father in law and would rather not have him hate her non-stop. He went from cold and frigid to calling her the best daughter-in-law ever.

[MyPokerShirt]

He went from cold and frigid to raving lunatic to calling her the best daughter-in-law ever.
;)