Is this movie keeping in smallville continuity?

[The PhantaZm]

I sure as hell hope not. In an interview bryan singer seemed to be suggesting that they were. I'm not a fan of the show, so I hope they stay as far away from it as possible.

I'm not to big on the idea of having this movie be somewhat of a sequel to superman 2 either. I'd rather they just scrap everything and start from scratch like BB, but thats a lesser gripe.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Vague History is the word I keep hearing.

But....Smallville is an elseword tale. It's a modern take on Superboy......remember that.

[afan]

Vague History is the word I keep hearing.

But....Smallville is an elseword tale. It's a modern take on Superboy......remember that.


:up:

[Kal-El 8]

But....Smallville is an elseword tale. It's a modern take on Superboy......remember that.

AMEN :up: :up: :supes:

[Superman4ever]

I agree with chrisbale, but I sorta have a feeling that Smallville is trying to tie into SR. Just look at the evolution of the Daily Planet from Smallville, with each episode it looks more and more like SR's Daily Planet.

The FOS looks oddly familiar, Jonathan Kent and his whole situation, Zod, the look of the Phantom Zone, Kryptonian Crystals.

Just to illistrate what I'm talking about:

http://www.smallville-news.com/svcaps/exposed/wmplayer%202005-11-04%2019-39-11-68.jpg

http://www.smallville-news.com/svcaps/vengeance/wmplayer%202006-02-06%2021-42-44-62.jpg

And these are only MID-season screen caps.

[matthooper]

Superman Returns will follow Smallville about as much as Batman Begins followed the Adam West Batman show. Just coincidences with the mythology.

At least the Batman TV show was intentionally funny. Smallville is usually just bad funny.

[Trooper]

smallville is not an elseworld tale
and it has its own continuity but superman returns wont 'tread' over smallville as bryan said him self, smallville will now try add storylines which will work along side the new movie in their next season. this is because as far as bryan is concerned
superman returns is an amalgamation of all the superman mythos up to date. :up:

[dabilee01]

smallville is not an elseworld tale
and it has its own continuity but superman returns wont 'tread' over smallville as bryan said him self, smallville will now try add storylines which will work along side the new movie in their next season. this is because as far as bryan is concerned
superman returns is an amalgamation of all the superman mythos up to date. :up:

any interpretation of superman outside the current comics line (AOS, MOS, S, AC) is considered an elseworld's tale.

elseworld's does not mean it's wrong/right, it's just a different interpretation of the character.

you could even say that SR is an elseworld's tale of superman, because it does in fact lie outside the world of the comics.

but yes, smallville is definitely an elseworld's tale. superman canon shows that clark didn't meet lois until he started at the dp (unlike smallville), shows no evidence that there were meteor freaks-of-the-week, etc.

again, it's not wrong or right. just a different take on the story.

[Trooper]

any interpretation of superman outside the current comics line (AOS, MOS, S, AC) is considered an elseworld's tale.

elseworld's does not mean it's wrong/right, it's just a different interpretation of the character.

you could even say that SR is an elseworld's tale of superman, because it does in fact lie outside the world of the comics.

but yes, smallville is definitely an elseworld's tale. superman canon shows that clark didn't meet lois until he started at the dp (unlike smallville), shows no evidence that there were meteor freaks-of-the-week, etc.

again, it's not wrong or right. just a different take on the story.

sorry but you cant call all interpretations of superman outside the AOS, MOS, S, AC comic line 'else-world tales' i mean theres several inconsitancies within those comics aswell due to the different interpreations of superman within the comic titles - spanning over the several decades of different writers over different story archs, it doesnt mean its elseworld so your wrong.

[NotFadeAway]

smallville is not an elseworld tale
and it has its own continuity but superman returns wont 'tread' over smallville as bryan said him self, smallville will now try add storylines which will work along side the new movie in their next season. this is because as far as bryan is concerned
superman returns is an amalgamation of all the superman mythos up to date. :up:

Superman Returns, no matter how good it is, is not an amalgamation of the enitre Superman mythos. It is a follow up on the Donner film with Fleischer cartoon like imagery. There are no post-crisis comic elements, nothing from the Timm Animated Series, nothing from Smallville, L&C, or Superboy, and nothing from Birthright. No matter how good this film might be, it disregards everything from 78 on.

By the way, S:TAS is way better than Fleischer:)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's a modern take on Superboy, that's why it's an Elseworld tale.

Elseworld means something that is dramatically different from the normal continuity.........alot of things are different in Smallville compared to the comics.

Smallville does a nice job of blending in STM elements with PRE-CRISIS material as well. Phantom Zone, The look of the FOS, and Pa Kent dying....things like are from the old films.

I don't see how SR could follow SV's foot steps if it's trying to follow STM.

One thing I could totally dig, is a past friendship between Lex and Clark.

[Emrys]

Superman Returns, no matter how good it is, is not an amalgamation of the enitre Superman mythos. It is a follow up on the Donner film with Fleischer cartoon like imagery. There are no post-crisis comic elements, nothing from the Timm Animated Series, nothing from Smallville, L&C, or Superboy, and nothing from Birthright. No matter how good this film might be, it disregards everything from 78 on.

By the way, S:TAS is way better than Fleischer:)

Only in your opinion.

[NotFadeAway]

About the Animated Series being better or the whole post? Cause my response to your post could go two different ways.

[Emrys]

About the Animated Series being better or the whole post? Cause my response to your post could go two different ways.

About TAS being better than Fleischer.

[NotFadeAway]

The you are correct, that is just my opinion. I truly feel the characterizations and storylines are way over Fleischers head.

[SuperLee]

I thought SR was kind of like a soft reboot to the Superman series. So in a way it does take everything else out of continuity, but it takes a little bit of everything. ie, Superman/Lex past, Superman/Lois past, etc.

[Emrys]

The you are correct, that is just my opinion. I truly feel the characterizations and storylines are way over Fleischers head.

I personally hate TAS with a passion it embodies everything that is wrong with Post-Crisis: Superwhimp, bad storytelling etc. Heck, the most idiotic idea is making Brainiac an A.I from Krypton.

Oh and the art work also sucked.

[Kal-El 8]

Well in my opinion

When I think of SUPERMAN the list is

(1) The Comic book version [Post Crisis]

(2) Christopher Reeve - [SUPERMAN movies]

(3) Tim Daly - [SUPERMAN : The ANIMATED SERIES]

(4) George Reeves - [The Adventures of Superman]

[5] George Newbern - [Justice league & JLU cartoon]

[6] Clayton 'Bud' Collyer - [Fleischer Superman Cartoons]

[7] Kirk Alyn - [Superman Movie Serials]

[8] Dean Cain - [Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman]



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I see Smallville as an Elseworld tale of superboy from smallville.

[NotFadeAway]

I personally hate TAS with a passion it embodies everything that is wrong with Post-Crisis: Superwhimp, bad storytelling etc. Heck, the most idiotic idea is making Brainiac an A.I from Krypton.

Oh and the art work also sucked.

I geuss thats your opinion!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Wow....that's the firs tguy I ever met who hates TAS..

[CConn]

SR is...very odd.

The novelization, the prequel comics, and basically everything else that expands on SR's story links SR directly to STM, if not S2 as well. But, it seems like the actual film is set up so you can basically tie it to whatever you want to tie it to. It could fit with Smallville, if you want it to. If could have nothing to do with Smallvillie, if you want it to. The concept may be quite brilliant, or quite crazy, but either way, it's definitely confusing.

[CConn]

Wow....that's the firs tguy I ever met who hates TAS..You have to understand...Emrys is a communist.

[NotFadeAway]

You have to understand...Emrys is a communist.

lol

[MoviesKickAss]

As long as these new Movies never mention the fact that Clark met & knew Lois, Lex & Perry when he was younger & Lex at one point was his best Friend. This could actually fit in with Smallville in various ways :o BUt again they have to stay away from those faces. Hell Smallville could have been the Prequel to Lois & Clark but in that Series he met Lois & Perry at the Planet for the very first time not back at home. In some ways Superman Returns CAN be a Smallville continuation as long as they ignore certain facts

[The Kid]

well I don't thint it's in smallville's continuity. Martha's so old... other little things also probably won't link up. although bosworth's lois reminds me of durance's in the taxi scene. Inspiration's being drawn mostly from the donner movies, but also from the fleischer serials too. I've noticed supes, like in those serials will be saving lois from the clutches of an evil villian with no super powers and do some amazing physical feats to save the day. should be fun.

[MoviesKickAss]

well no, it's not in smallville's continuity

I never said it 100 % was but this Movie Series CAN BE in some ways (it depends what the People watching understand) as long as they ignore some facts

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I like that plan actually, CConn. It includes everyone....and doesn't exclude anyone. If you want to fit into something, then it works for me. It's brilliantly crazyily confusing.....yay.

[The Kid]

I never said it 100 % was but this Movie Series CAN BE in some ways (it depends what the People watching understand) as long as they ignore some facts

sorry that wasn't a response to your post actually. I typed that before your reply was updated onto my screen. I re-edited it to not seem like it was directed to yours. It's just generally my reply to the topic itself.

[CConn]

I like that plan actually, CConn. It includes everyone....and doesn't exclude anyone. If you want to fit into something, then it works for me. It's brilliantly crazyily confusing.....yay.Oh, I like it too. Of course, it could be messed up a bit by some dialogue referencing STM and such ("You're father once told you...", etc.), but those would be minor quibbles.

[Emrys]

You have to understand...Emrys is a communist.
huh:confused: that's a new one to me... thanks for telling me I'd not have noticed otherwise.

[Emrys]

Well in my opinion

When I think of SUPERMAN the list is

(1) The Comic book version [Post Crisis]

(2) Christopher Reeve - [SUPERMAN movies]

(3) Tim Daly - [SUPERMAN : The ANIMATED SERIES]

(4) George Reeves - [The Adventures of Superman]

[5] George Newbern - [Justice league & JLU cartoon]

[6] Clayton 'Bud' Collyer - [Fleischer Superman Cartoons]

[7] Kirk Alyn - [Superman Movie Serials]

[8] Dean Cain - [Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman]



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I see Smallville as an Elseworld tale of superboy from smallville.

My list is

1.) Superman the movie

2.) Fleischer toon

3.)For the Man who has everything and late silver age.

4.)Byrne Supes

5.)Most elseworld superman tales.

everything else I don't like.

Oh I liked a few parts of Birthright, the african part and the take on Krypton, allthough I prefer the movie version of Krypton over any other incarnation. My least fave Krypton is the silver age one followed by Byrnes.

[newmexneon]

Smallville takes small bits of Continuity from the Reeve movies, such as the design of the FOS and the Phantom Zone. But for the most part it has nothing to do with them.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, not really CConn......since Smallville does kinda take some stuff from the movies.

[charl_huntress]

I hope nothing from Smallville makes its way into this movie. I was highly pissed to read about the super hormone charged heat vision which is a direct correlation to Smallville. I don't want to see Chloe at all in the comics, and I'd prefer not to see Lana, especially if her purpose is to be involved in some useless triangle involving Lois and Superman's child. That's way too much....even for my girly radar.

[NotFadeAway]

1 : Superman: The Animated Series - Best interpretation ever and should have been adapted into a live action film IMO

I also am willing to go against the grain and say that I like John Byrne's Man of Steel. The only thing I didn't like was how cold and emotionless Krypton was or atleast it seemed to me.

[Kane]

The only major difference characterization-wise between STAS and Superman Returns is 'Lex' and 'Metropolis Clark'

SR Lex is a fusion of precrisis and postcrisis; as Mike and Dan said hes 'part politician, part mad scientist'. In essense he'll likely end up as something totally new interpretation-wise.

The STAS Metropolis clark would NOT be believable on live action screen. It would be like Dean Cain's duality in Lois and Clark; more or less the same personality for both of them.

They needed to make Metropolis Clark and Superman drastically different and they have in this film; Routh seems to have grasped that and may be the only actor who will be able to make it believeable in the context of how the two personalities are written.

John Bryne's Man of Steel.....retconned for a reason; but we get the nice Space Plane rescue from MOS, nice nod.

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's a modern take on Superboy, that's why it's an Elseworld tale.

Elseworld means something that is dramatically different from the normal continuity.........alot of things are different in Smallville compared to the comics.

Smallville does a nice job of blending in STM elements with PRE-CRISIS material as well. Phantom Zone, The look of the FOS, and Pa Kent dying....things like are from the old films.

I don't see how SR could follow SV's foot steps if it's trying to follow STM.

One thing I could totally dig, is a past friendship between Lex and Clark.

by your logic SR is an elseworlds tale too since it has next to nothing to do with the modern comic continuity.

[MoviesKickAss]

since it has next to nothing to do with the modern comic continuity.

Superman has left the earth in Comics before & there are more exambles not just this


This Movie IS following Superman Comics. But like with Smallville some things are & the key word here is "different"

[fangrl06]

I don't like Smallville and I think most true Superman fans would agree they could have made that show so much better. So, I don't really care if the SV fans are happy or not.

[Kane]

SR is just the continuation of the Donner vision from the first. Donners original film didnt match up with the comics at the time exactly either but eventually alot of key aspects of the comics parallelled it.

That may already be happening with Returns.

SV is just Elsewords. The key difference is while SR moves the story forward and add a few elements to the mythos that push it forward.....

Smallville goes back, changes and reinterpretes the origins, changing and altering the past; ex Lois Lane in Smallville etc..

Thats why so many regard SV as Elseworlds.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Superman has left the earth in Comics before

great. Superman also wears a suit as clark in the comics, yet that one plot point doesnt mean he's following the character continuity


This Movie IS following Superman Comics. But like with Smallville some things are & the key word here is "different"

SR has nothing to do with the current comic continuity. It's taking a "vague" story from a 28 year old movie that itself has gone out of comic continuity

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's not actually my logic, it's what it says on the page flap of nearly every DC Comics elseworld tale......

I think this film having more in common with the STM films, instead of being a restart, is one of the gripes of the fanboys. It's something to debate, really.....but, I'd be hard pressed to want Singer to only cater the comic fans anyway. But, like someone said....there are comic similarities. There's alot of history....so there are things from the comics for sure.

I believe the good word to use could be ADAPTATION. Since, apparently, Elseworld is a dirty, dirty word.......heh.

But.....most films seem to stray from the current regular comics anyway, so to speak. Spider-Man, X-Men.....even those films aren't based on the regular comics.

[Venom71]

Lets not turn this into a SR Vs.SV thread please....from what I understand the only thing they have in common is the FOS.

[MoviesKickAss]

SR has nothing to do with the current comic continuity. It's taking a "vague" story from a 28 year old movie that itself has gone out of comic continuity

Smallville has more in common with the Superboy Comics then Superman Comics (the lawsuit prooves that)

One can say Smallville is simply following the Superboy Comics & is also taking borrowing things from the Movie

[charl_huntress]

This incessant LOVE for STAS which is warranted because it is a great series is a little overwrought.

Bruce Timm is the biggest Batman fan alive, and though he's a good cartoon guy...I don't completely trust him with the MOS.

JL Season one, anyone????

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's not actually my logic, it's what it says on the page flap of nearly every DC Comics elseworld tale......

I think this film having more in common with the STM films, instead of being a restart, is one of the gripes of the fanboys. It's something to debate, really.....but, I'd be hard pressed to want Singer to only cater the comic fans anyway.

I believe the good word to use could be ADAPTATION. Since, apparently, Elseworld is a dirty, dirty word.......heh.

But.....most films seem to stray from the current regular comics anyway, so to speak. Spider-Man, X-Men.....even those films aren't based on the regular comics.

I wasnt disagreeing with the definiton, just stating that if you apply it literally, SR and most any other live action incarnation of the characters could be considered "elseworlds".

[Kane]

There is no Elseworlds in the comics anymore either. Its been discontinued.

Which is a smart move.

[MoviesKickAss]

I wasnt disagreeing with the definiton, just stating that if you apply it literally, SR and most any other live action incarnation of the characters could be considered "elseworlds".
Anything that does not follow the Comics decently enough pretty much = Else Worlds. Like X-Men The last Stand :o

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, in a way you could.

But, for example.......I would consider BATMAN to be an elseworld......and Batman Begins to be continuity.

Really, b/c Begins is true to the comics......and takes alot of inspiration from the comics.

I don't think the film needs to copy everything from the comics to be true to it......just have themes, characteristics, and maybe plot points...along with some scenes....and it could do justice.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Smallville has more in common with the Superboy Comics then Superman Comics (the lawsuit prooves that)

And that has what to do with my point about SR being an "elseworlds" so to speak as well? I didnt even say anything about SV in ANY of my posts.

that being said the lawsuit proves nothing, other than the fact that Siegel's family thinks SV is about Superboy. Just because someone claims it, doenst mean it's true. There have been no factual findings as of yet in that case, just a ruling that a judge will let it go to trial/.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

There is no Elseworlds in the comics anymore either. Its been discontinued.


The what is BATMAN YEAR 100 classified as?

[MoviesKickAss]

There is no Elseworlds in the comics anymore either. Its been discontinued

Tell that to every single Comic Book Fan

[The Incredible Hulk]

Anything that does not follow the Comics decently enough pretty much = Else Worlds. Like X-Men The last Stand :o

None of the X-Men films followed comic continuity. Whats your point? :confused:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

lol.....

I don't know if Elseworld's exist in Marvel Comics.

I think they might be called "What If..." for them.

[Kane]

I believe Returns will do it justice, but we wont know till the 30th.

I cant say the same about SV, thats why it will always be Elseworlds to be.

Its pretty much the Supes mythos reinterpreted into a teen soap, the same way Lois and Clark was Superman reinterpreted into a romantic sitcom.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

X-MEN and Spider-Man is kinda funny.........they seemed to follow more in tune with the ULTIMATE line.

[Kal-El 8]

I don't like Smallville and I think most true Superman fans would agree they could have made that show so much better. So, I don't really care if the SV fans are happy or not.

Fangirl06, You've just become my new friend .

[MoviesKickAss]

SR & SV both borrowing things from the Movies
SV is borrowing things from SR
& who knows what kind of nod SV will probably eventually give to SR (bound to happen)

[Kane]

Tell that to every single Comic Book Fan

Hey, the words came from Dan Didio himself. Hes tired of the constant reinterpretations and wants to stick to one universe.

Fortunately, SR is currently having a strong impact on the Superman comic universe; Up, Up and Away is the beginning of SR's influence.

[Kane]

X-MEN and Spider-Man is kinda funny.........they seemed to follow more in tune with the ULTIMATE line.

I agree. I'll always consider them very true to the feel of Ultimates.

[fangrl06]

Fangirl06, You've just become my new friend .
:up:
You think they could have done more too?

[MoviesKickAss]

None of the X-Men films followed comic continuity

Like you said so far none really has so there is no point :o

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, I think SMALLVILLE is an elseworlds for a number of reasons.

For one, all the meeting with these incredible villians.....I mean, current Superman mythos has us believe that Clark had a pretty normal life in Kansas......although, I've heard rumors that might change since IC.

Meeting Lois before he get to Metropolis, getting to the Fortress of Solitude while not being Superman, an added character like Chloe.......those are just dramatic changes.....and honestly, calling it an elseworld makes sense for comic fans, and it's what keeps a couple from going crazy over it.

[Kane]

The what is BATMAN YEAR 100 classified as?

Beats me. He said as of 2006, theyre ending it (the point of IC was to solidify the DC universe once and for all).....it also makes me wonder whats gonna happen to All-Stars too.

[fangrl06]

I agree. I'll always consider them very true to the feel of Ultimates.
:confused: Why do you say that?

[MoviesKickAss]

we wont know till the 30th

You mean 29th

Its Midnight / 10:00 Premiere is the 28th

[The Incredible Hulk]

I believe Returns will do it justice, but we wont know till the 30th.

I cant say the same about SV, thats why it will always be Elseworlds to be.

Its pretty much the Supes mythos reinterpreted into a teen soap, the same way Lois and Clark was Superman reinterpreted into a romantic sitcom.

who the **** let you back on the Hype?

[Kane]

Meeting Lois before he get to Metropolis, getting to the Fortress of Solitude while not being Superman, an added character like Chloe.......those are just dramatic changes.....and honestly, calling it an elseworld makes sense for comic fans, and it's what keeps a couple from going crazy over it.

:) Dont forget Jor-El being an evil bastard and Clark's foolishness leading to Jonathan Kent's death.

Also Lana being the love of Clark's life.. Taking the classic Clark/Lana thing to an extreme.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Hey, the words came from Dan Didio himself. Hes tired of the constant reinterpretations and wants to stick to one universe.


Dido is nuts.....

Like you said so far none really has so there is no point :o

The thing is continuity is the most confusing thing to really define for comics.....it's like this huge debate, and it's really a pain at time....

[Kane]

who the **** let you back on the Hype?

Thats not relevant to this discussion.

[fangrl06]

:) Dont forget Jor-El being an evil bastard and Clark's foolishness leading to Jonathan Kent's death.

Also Lana being the love of Clark's life.. Taking the classic Clark/Lana thing to an extreme.
:) ......:up:

[Kane]

Dido is nuts.....


Eh Hes a cool guy. I think e knows this stuff really well after seeing him in person and has a good gauge on what is in DC's best interests.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, there's hints that Lana was his high school sweetheart, in the comics.

SV just made it so ****ing heavy though......

[The Incredible Hulk]

:) Dont forget Jor-El being an evil bastard and Clark's foolishness leading to Jonathan Kent's death.

Also Lana being the love of Clark's life.. Taking the classic Clark/Lana thing to an extreme.

I guess it's a good thing SR isnt taking any liberties with any of the characters then

[Kane]

:) ......:up:

I could go on but meh. You get the drift.

It just doesnt appeal to me. I mean to be fair, SR has the potential not to appeal to me if its a complete departure from the mythos also... and I'm prepared to be very disapointed if that happens.

But I'm holding out faith that it isnt the case....Superman is about hope afterall.

[fangrl06]

Well, there's hints that Lana was his high school sweetheart, in the comics.

SV just made it so ****ing heavy though......
Yeah....and after awhile that whole love story started to bug the hell out of me.

[MoviesKickAss]

I guess it's a good thing SR isnt taking any liberties with any of the characters then

I dont think any Comic Book Movie will follow any Comics until the Comic Book Company starts making them like Marvel is starting to do

[Kane]

I guess it's a good thing SR isnt taking any liberties with any of the characters then

Liberties are fine. Its all in the execution and how respectful they actually are.

I'm judging how Dan and Mike executed them when I see the film.

Batman Begins worked the liberty of Ras and Ducard being the same character well; better than the comics.

[charl_huntress]

Why do you guys even attempt disagree with Kane. He has made his mind up, and it is not going to change. Let him have his opinion. It's his and he obviously believes in it. I just hope he doesn't end up liking the movie for all the reasons he would claim to hate it, or he will sound like a hypocrite.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Lana's a whore too.........

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Kane doesn't seem to be hating on SR....

[The Incredible Hulk]

I think theres a big difference between disagreeing with someone and trying to change their minds.

[fangrl06]

I dont think any Comic Book Movie will follow any Comics until the Comic Book Company starts making them like Marvel is starting to do
You mean like with X-Men3? It was good but we shouldn't make that movie a model for all superhero movies....I mean come on.....

[fangrl06]

Lana's a whore too.........
lol, say what?

[The Kid]

As long as they keep using marvel's best directors for dc movies, everything will be fine.

Also let Nolan handle more dc characters if possible.

edit: Lana has had a new boyfriend each season I think... she's like my sister. Out with the old.. etc...

[MoviesKickAss]

You mean like with X-Men3?

FOX made X-Men 3 not Marvel. FOX owns the Movie Rights not Marvel. Marvel has NOT made THEIR OWN MOVIES YET. Marvel is working on getting together THEIR OWN MOVIE STUDIO Marvel has had little to no say with these Movies

[Kane]

Why do you guys even attempt disagree with Kane. He has made his mind up, and it is not going to change. Let him have his opinion. It's his and he obviously believes in it. I just hope he doesn't end up liking the movie for all the reasons he would claim to hate it, or he will sound like a hypocrite.

:confused: What the heck are you talking about?

All I said was liberties are all about the execution and I shall judge the execution of SR's liberties in the film.

Who said i'm gonna blindly hate SR? C'mon now :supes:

We're on the same page here.

[Kal-El 8]

Its pretty much the Supes mythos reinterpreted into a teen soap, the same way Lois and Clark was Superman reinterpreted into a romantic sitcom.

True, But The difference between, Lois & Clark & Smallville is

(1) SUPERMAN exist

(2) Lois & Clark for the most part stayed true to the comics,

Until that Good damn awful Clone eating Frog Lois Lane storyline :mad:

(3) The Main theme of The Show was about SUPERMAN . Then Lois & Clark journey from The Daily Planet rivials to Good/Best Friends to Finally Super lovers .


In Smallville

(1) SUPERMAN doesn't exist yet {And by that I mean you don't see a Man Flying around in a Red cape & Blue tights saving The world & Lois Lane .}

(2) Smallville doesn't stay true to The SUPERMAN comics in every episode . They follow the Superboy road .

(3) The Main theme is suppose to be about Clark's journey from The Farmboy from smallville {With alot of issue} To THE MAN OF STEEL of METROPOLIS . {THE WORLD's GREATEST HERO}. Instead for the past 5 season it's been about Clark damn teenager love life & him not accepting & Embracing his DESTINY . smallville focus too much on the teen Soap opera drama & not on Bring Clark becoming SUPERMAN .

[fangrl06]

As long as they keep using marvel's best directors for dc movies, everything will be fine.
lol.....I'd hardly call Singer one of Marvel's best directors...

[The Incredible Hulk]

for someone who who apparently dislikes SV so, you spend an AWFUL lot of time cavorting in the forums over there.....

[The Kid]

AAAAAAAAAAHHhhhhhhhh whhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa???????????

*cough*

*cough* sorry, need to catch my breath..

not... best... director?.....

[MoviesKickAss]

for someone who who apparently dislikes SV so, you spend an AWFUL lot of time cavorting in the forums over there.....

Talking to me Hulk :confused:

[Kane]

Okay I'll give you at least that Kal-El 8. Lois and Clark was very reflective of the 90's Era Bryne Superman; the quirky romantic comedy, the marriage, the zaniness.

It wasnt my preference as I consider the 90s...Superman at his worst (after the Death/Return saga) but ya, it was reflective...I admit.

[fangrl06]

AAAAAAAAAAHHhhhhhhhh whhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa???????????

*cough*

*cough* sorry, need to catch my breath..

not... best... director?.....
Raimi's better.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Talking to me Hulk :confused:

uhhh no, you havent even been on the site a month, I was talking to Kal-EL 8

[Kane]

Raimi's better.

I disagree. When it comes to capturing character-driven stuff, I'd put Singer on a notch above Raimi.....It's Singer's defining trait and the media tends to acknowlegde that.

Raimi was great for SM2, Spiderman 1 wasnt that spectacular to me.

X-Men had this depth and social relevance in Singer's style that I liked. It seemed real while Spiderman seemed cartoony.

So personally I prefered Bryan.

[The Kid]

Raimi's better.

freaky loo wackadoo.

well he is the better action/spectacle director. true... Oh, except for the nightcrawler battle. that > anything in spider-man.

but I have to challenge that the x-men movies are much better handled character-wise.:down

[charl_huntress]

:confused: What the heck are you talking about?

All I said was liberties are all about the execution and I shall judge the execution of SR's liberties in the film.

Who said i'm gonna blindly hate SR? C'mon now :supes:

We're on the same page here.

Are we? You seem to have some very negative views about how things will play. I can understand concerns, but...idk...it just seems like your are not a fan of innovation. Yet, you continually harp on STAS being the best version of Supes ever...and Bruce Timm took so many liberties (and IMO callous disregard) with Supes that I'm not sure where you stand.

I agree. It's all in execution, but to be open to any sort of innovative execution you have to be open minded. Maybe I haven't been here long enough, but you don't seem to be very open minded.

[charl_huntress]

for someone who who apparently dislikes SV so, you spend an AWFUL lot of time cavorting in the forums over there.....

Are you talking to me...it's not reallly clear:confused:

[MoviesKickAss]

Are you talking to me...it's not reallly clear:confused:

lol he answered that I got confused to pay attention :o

[fangrl06]

Raimi did a great job of capturing human emotions. My ex got all watery eyed in SM2 when Aunt May was talking to Peter, then again my ex was a *** ***** *** ****.

[Kane]

Are we? You seem to have some very negative views about how things will play. I can understand concerns, but...idk...it just seems like your are not a fan of innovation. Yet, you continually harp on STAS being the best version of Supes ever...and Bruce Timm took so many liberties (and IMO callous disregard) with Supes that I'm not sure where you stand.

I agree. It's all in execution, but to be open to any sort of innovative execution you have to be open minded. Maybe I haven't been here long enough, but you don't seem to be very open minded.

Wow..... :confused:

Just wow, you must be new cause you've totally got me wrong.

Trust me, I've even been banned for advocating SR and promoting it in other forums. I'm a fan of how the picture is shaping up.

I just wasnt a fan of AICN's nonsense and doubt the validity of their statements.

And I dont recall saying STAS was the best version ever? It definately was on Television.....

But my hope is holding out that SR will be the best ever.

[charl_huntress]

Wow..... :confused:

Just wow, you must be new cause you've totally got me wrong.

Trust me, I've even been banned for advocating SR and promoting it in other forums. I'm a fan of how the picture is shaping up.

I just wasnt a fan of AICN's nonsense and doubt the validity of their statements.

I am new. The date says it all. I'm just going on the few things I've read from you lately. Be assured...I'm not going to re-read all of your posts to find out. I just wanted to know because I, obviously, wasn't sure.

[charl_huntress]

lol he answered that I got confused to pay attention :o

Me too :)

[Kane]

Ya.. you over-reacted majorly yesterday.

Believe me, if I hated SR.....I wouldnt be coming on here practically every day; that wouldnt be very logical.

We're on the same page.

[MoviesKickAss]

if I hated SR.....I wouldnt be coming on here practically every day; that wouldnt be very logical.

I guess Desk does not understand logic :o

[fangrl06]

wow....so everyone thought he was talking about them(including me). we must have a guilty conscience or something....

[fangrl06]

I guess Desk does not understand logic :o
Who is this 'Desk'? I hear people bash him a lot.

[Nivek]

there are a few more then who do not have a logical POV about posting constantly about a project you have no emotional investment in.

[Kal-El 8]

for someone who who apparently dislikes SV so, you spend an AWFUL lot of time cavorting in the forums over there.....

Hulk, I don't hate Smallville, I would just like To see My Favorite Iconic characters LOIS LANE, CLARK KENT, & LEX LUTHOR be given The Respect they deserve .

I want to see Clark in more SUPERMAN Mythology bound episodes that will show me this boy will Become The Man He's DESTINED to become .

I want to see Lois get more involed in episodes that will bring her to The Journalism world. Where we see her become The iconic Top Ace Reporter for The Daily Planet .

I want to see Lex become THE SOB he's DESTINED to become, I want to see him in METROPOLIS beginining to build his EMPIRE LexCorp before the arrival of SUPERMAN.

I want to see a change in the direction of The show, from focusing on Teen love life of Clark's {that's DESTINED to fail} To more solid Mythology bound episodes .

[The Kid]

Raimi did a great job of capturing human emotions. My ex got all watery eyed in SM2 when Aunt May was talking to Peter, then again my ex was a *** ***** *** ****.

Oh that scene... yeah two good actors with too good performances. that was actually great, but imagine that scene but as a entire movie instead of just the one scenea and that's what I think singer does.

I tentatively take back what I said about raimi being the better action director. from the clips and trailers I've seen frame by frame, this movie will top all superhero movies currently out in the action department. :up: it just has to. It's superman.

[Nivek]

Who is this 'Desk'? I hear people bash him a lot.

I wouldn't say bash, he plays his broken record, people either respond to the attention bait or just point out how redundant his "critisms" really are.

[MoviesKickAss]

Who is this 'Desk'? I hear people bash him a lot.

You dont want to know

[fangrl06]

Oh that scene... yeah two good actors with too good performances. that was actually great, but imagine that scene but as a entire movie instead of just the one scenea and that's what I think singer does.

I tentatively take back what I said about raimi being the better action director. from the clips and trailers I've seen frame by frame, this movie will top all superhero movies currently out in the action department. :up: it just has to. It's superman.
What about the train scene? Name a single action scene better than that. If there is one it would be GG and SM final battle in SM1 (because of the emotions).

[charl_huntress]

Ya.. you over-reacted majorly yesterday.

Believe me, if I hated SR.....I wouldnt be coming on here practically every day; that wouldnt be very logical.

We're on the same page.

Really...did I:confused:

You read that entire thread again, and see how it's possible that I over-reacted. You didn't seem to be on the side of romance, and it was implied (though you didn't state it directly) that there was some soft-core porn elements to the notion of romance in a Superman movie. I mean, why else post that in that thread instead of the caption thread? It seemed to me that you were trying to hint that everyone who wants to see that wants soft-corn porn in Superman. Forgive me if I was wrong and I did take things too far; however, I have yet to read anything positive about this movie from you. And...remember I haven't been here that long.

Most of your post are on and on about things you don't even know will happen. Like I said...I could be wrong, and I could have misread somethings...but...well...let's just leave it at that.

[fangrl06]

Really...did I:confused:

You read that entire thread again, and see how it's possible that I over-reacted. You didn't seem to be on the side of romance, and it was implied (though you didn't state it directly) that there was some soft-core porn element to the notion of romance in a Superman movie. I mean, why else post that in that thread instead of the caption thread? It seemed to be that you were trying to hint that everyone who would want to see that wants soft-corn porn in Superman. Forgive me if I was wrong and I did take things too far. However, I have yet to read anything positive about this movie from you.

Most of your post are on and on about things you don't even know will happen. Like I said...I could be wrong, and I could have misread somethings...but...well...let's just leave it at that.
damn.....you're very.....passionate.

[Kane]

Really...did I:confused:

You read that entire thread again, and see how it's possible that I over-reacted. You didn't seem to be on the side of romance, and it was implied (though you didn't state it directly) that there was some soft-core porn element to the notion of romance in a Superman movie. I mean, why else post that in that thread instead of the caption thread? It seemed to be that you were trying to hint that everyone who would want to see that wants soft-corn porn in Superman. Forgive me if I was wrong and I did take things too far. However, I have yet to read anything positive about this movie from you.
.

No. Wow you missed it entirely.

I said I dont want Sexploitation in a Superman film, theres a difference between that and Romance. Romance is fine if done in a classy, tasteful way.

Sexploitation is like (eg; Lana turning into a sexual charged lesbian-kissing vampire in Smallville or Lois Lane stripping for ratings).

Thats the stuff I dont like.... that isnt romance and thats what I was refering to.

[fangrl06]

No. Wow you missed it entirely.

I said I dont want Sexploitation in a Superman film, theres a difference between that and Romance. Romance is fine if done in a classy, tasteful way.

Sexploitation is like (eg; Lana turning into a sexual charged lesbian-kissing vampire in Smallville or Lois Lane stripping for ratings).

Thats the stuff I dont like.... that isnt romance and thats what I was refering to.
SV went wayyy down hill in season 4.

[charl_huntress]

damn.....you're very.....passionate.

Always an eternally...there is no other way to live life except passionately...though this doesn't apply to the MBs. I was just a little heated from that dang pic:)

[fangrl06]

Always an eternally...there is no other way to live life except passionately...though this doesn't apply to the MBs. I was just a little heated from that dang pic:)
lol....what pic?

[charl_huntress]

No. Wow you missed it entirely.

I said I dont want Sexploitation in a Superman film, theres a difference between that and Romance. Romance is fine if done in a classy, tasteful way.

Right, and I agree. But, you didn't state that. You just showed a picture of Superman with hoes hanging on his feet and his big schlonger of a gun...obviously hinting at what he can do.

Believe me, I don't want Superman exploited sexually, but the love that he feels and the human like passion that inspires it is not something to be mocked...at least I don't think so.

As you can probably guess, I found that picture highly offensive to Superman and the notion of Superman having romantic love. I just hate people trying to portray it that way, and that was what it seemed you were trying to do.

Sexploitation is like (eg; Lana turning into a sexual charged lesbian-kissing vampire in Smallville or Lois Lane stripping for ratings).

Thats the stuff I dont like.... that isnt romance and thats what I was refering to.

Sexploitation is different from romantic love, and I know we agree on that, so I'm feel better. However, you haven't even seen a HINT of that in SR. I could see if some SV stuff was being shown, but it's all been pretty tame. It seems to me you are afraid that the romantic nature of the love between Lois and Clark/Superman will overshadow all other elements. Yet, you haven't even seen anything that supports that.

It's just getting a little crazy, and please in the future. Post those nasty pics of Supes in the caption thread where I will be sure to find some humor in them. I didn't find any humor in that pic when posted in a thread that questions whether there is too much intimacy or not enough in a Superman Returns.

[Kane]

lol umm...that pic was in no way designed to insult romance...

It was designed to insult 'sexploitation'

It was friggin Superman as Orgasmo. If youve seen that film, u'd get the joke.

And yes, I DID state I dont have a problem w romance if done in a classy way...and I hate sexploitation....

I said that in that thread, I guess you missed it.

[Kane]

lol....what pic?

Eh dont worry about it. Jokes dead.

[Kane]

SV went wayyy down hill in season 4.

Agreed bigtime.

Is that Kate Bosworth in your display>?

[charl_huntress]

lol umm...that pic was in no way designed to insult romance...

It was designed to insult 'sexploitation'

It was friggin Superman as Orgasmo. If youve seen that film, u'd get the joke.

And yes, I DID state I dont have a problem w romance if done in a classy way...and I hate sexploitation....

I said that in that thread, I guess you missed it.

Not familiar with Orgasmo...not really trying to be either. But thanks for the heads up.

I did read that you don't have a problem with romance. It just seems that from reading a few of your other post in other threads that I didn't replay too...you obviously have a hard time distingishing the difference.

Whatever...not worth going into any longer. I just thought you should know what my original gripe was all about.

[fangrl06]

Agreed bigtime.

Is that Kate Bosworth in your display>?
Yes it is.:) I don't think she'll be playing Superman's cousin though, now that she is playing his baby's mama.....

[Kane]

Oh trust me I know the difference.

SR will prove the difference, showing how romance can be done in a classy, elegant, timeless way.

The thread asked whether there should be more sexiness in it (like Kate stripping down etc).....I said absolutely not, it would ruin the integrity of the film and compromise the romantic aspect.

[Kane]

now that she is playing his baby's mama.....

;) We'll see about that.

[Mentok]

Michael Rosenbaum... Thats the only good thing I can say about Smallville :o

[Kane]

Oh and Charl, the pic was also an in-joke to this infamous thread:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226706

Most dudes got it, but I forgot you were new.

[The Kid]

What about the train scene? Name a single action scene better than that. If there is one it would be GG and SM final battle in SM1 (because of the emotions).

I liked the x-jet flight sequence better. although raimi's over the top comicbook brawl at the end of sm1 is really up there above most of what singer's done like that in greatness, except for tobey's sissy squealing and the ridiculous, what was it... some sort of sword weapon goblin pulled out of nowwhere.

[Kane]

Michael Rosenbaum... Thats the only good thing I can say about Smallville :o

Ah, you mean Lexodiac.

[fangrl06]

;) We'll see about that.
ewww.....this is Metropolis not Texis....J/k......please don't hurt me......

[charl_huntress]

Oh and Charl, the pic was also an in-joke to this infamous thread:

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226706

Most dudes got it, but I forgot you were new.

and I'm not a dude:)

[Kal-El 8]

Ah, you mean Lexodiac.

WTF is Lexodiac ?????:confused:

[Kane]

ewww.....this is Metropolis not Texis....J/k......please don't hurt me......

W t f :confused:


I missed that.

[fangrl06]

W t f :confused:


I missed that.
*sigh*....n/m.....i'm not funny today.......

[Kane]

WTF is Lexodiac ?????:confused:

Lex + Brainiac's abilities + The Ghost of Zod = Lexodiac.....thats the nonsense SV has created for the finale/premiere.

[Kal-El 8]

Lex + Brainiac's abilities + The Ghost of Zod = Lexodiac.....thats the nonsense SV has created for the finale/premiere.

Oh you've got to be kidden me . :o See this is a prefect example to what I said earler in this thread .

The writters of Smallville don't have respect for The Iconic character like Lois & Clark, Lex Luthor,Martha Kent and Miss Lang , that have a huge DESTINY that will affect the world [two of them will bring alot of good to the world in The Future] [While the other will try to Destory all that is good in The World]

[Fanticon]

I kinda remember hearing Singer say he wasn't totally discrediting Smallville but what exactly does that mean?...and when I was in the thread about the preview to SR's soundtrack...someone wrote that in either track 2 or 3 that the Smallville theme was layered into it...so maybe thats all we're going to get...it doesn't matter to me either way...I can easily separate the two without thinking..."what? Oh they screwed that one up"

[TheBat812]

What they're doing is making it so that they don't clash. Neither will discredit the other, but neither will utilize anything from one another.

[NotFadeAway]

S:TAS was the best Superman ever. Bruce Timm was one of the best things to happen to Superman. Fleischer is boring in comparison mainly becuase the characters aren't as good. Why Singer used something from the 50's as an influence boggles my mind, ecspecially when he is making a film that is a continuation of a movie from 1978. Singer could have atleast used the storyline from S:TM and the characters of the Animated Series.

Byt anyway, I wish peple would just see Smallville for what it is. Smallville is a retelling of Superman's origin, and because Singer used the S:TM origin, it won't have any influence. People harp on Smallville for FOTW episodes and teen romance elements, but you have to understand they got 22 episodes a year to film. They can't go from point A to point B every episode or it woulds be over in one season. There also on the WB/CW, this is like a haven for the teen romance crap. I honestly would really be interested to see what Gough and Miller would do given the chance to do a pure, true blue Superman story.

Oh, and after reading the novel, Smallville's Lex owns Singer's Lex. Notice I didn't compare actors either.

[Steelsheen]

SR is...very odd.

The novelization, the prequel comics, and basically everything else that expands on SR's story links SR directly to STM, if not S2 as well. But, it seems like the actual film is set up so you can basically tie it to whatever you want to tie it to. It could fit with Smallville, if you want it to. If could have nothing to do with Smallvillie, if you want it to. The concept may be quite brilliant, or quite crazy, but either way, it's definitely confusing.

aye, confusing is the word.

[Eros]

S:TAS was the best Superman ever. Bruce Timm was one of the best things to happen to Superman. Fleischer is boring in comparison mainly becuase the characters aren't as good. Why Singer used something from the 50's as an influence boggles my mind, ecspecially when he is making a film that is a continuation of a movie from 1978. Singer could have atleast used the storyline from S:TM and the characters of the Animated Series.

Byt anyway, I wish peple would just see Smallville for what it is. Smallville is a retelling of Superman's origin, and because Singer used the S:TM origin, it won't have any influence. People harp on Smallville for FOTW episodes and teen romance elements, but you have to understand they got 22 episodes a year to film. They can't go from point A to point B every episode or it woulds be over in one season. There also on the WB/CW, this is like a haven for the teen romance crap. I honestly would really be interested to see what Gough and Miller would do given the chance to do a pure, true blue Superman story.

Oh, and after reading the novel, Smallville's Lex owns Singer's Lex. Notice I didn't compare actors either.

Isn't smallville Lex dead now, and his body "Possed" but the spirit of General Zod?:confused: :down

[NotFadeAway]

Yea he is, but that won't last more than two episodes. It's sad to see they were to cheap to cast an actor, but at the same time I don't care. They have made Krypton more of a mystically powered place in Smallville, and I don't care. It doesn't always turn out great, but atleast they take chances.

[Nivek]

Oh you've got to be kidden me . :o See this is a prefect example to what I said earler in this thread .

The writters of Smallville don't have respect for The Iconic character like Lois & Clark, Lex Luthor,Martha Kent and Miss Lang , that have a huge DESTINY that will affect the world [two of them will bring alot of good to the world in The Future] [While the other will try to Destory all that is good in The World]


At the rate Smallville is going, Clark can never become Superman. Too many people who should know him as Superman already know him as Clark Kent. As soon as I realised that, the show just became worse than Lois and Clark AND Superboy (in a Superman context) in my eyes. At least those other two shows respected the characters.

[Eros]

all that "mystical" technology[Time travel,space flight,power inducers,etc], and they could not predict their Planets own destruction[or stop it, or get off the planet in time]? do you really buy that garbage Venom?

[Kane]

Yea he is, but that won't last more than two episodes. It's sad to see they were to cheap to cast an actor, but at the same time I don't care. They have made Krypton more of a mystically powered place in Smallville, and I don't care. It doesn't always turn out great, but atleast they take chances.

Then dont be so quick to jump the gun about SR's characterization of Lex Luthor if your advocating taking chances......that would be hypocritical. See how it plays out first.

In that Lex case, the worst part of it for me is the fact its obviously temporary and Lex likely wont remember discovering Clark having powers yet again (for like the 5th time he gets a mindwipe -_-); hes turning into quite a tool.

[Kane]

all that "mystical" technology[Time travel,space flight,power inducers,etc], and they could not predict their Planets own destruction[or stop it, or get off the planet in time]? do you really buy that garbage Venom?

Well in Smallville's version; ZOD destroyed Krypton and killed Jor-El and the rest...

but somehow after he killed them; they put his ghost in the Phantom Zone and destroyed his body...

And then Jor-El sent phophesies to Lionel Luthor that one day the ghost of Zod would break free and inhabit another....

:confused: No this is all true.

[NotFadeAway]

There is no chance taking when it comes to Luthor in Superman Returns.

[Nivek]

There is no chance taking when it comes to Luthor in Superman Returns.


Why? If you can accept anything on Smallville or the animated series that was done, why not Spaceys take? He's like the 10th guy to play the role in one form or another, and they are all different.

[Kane]

There is no chance taking when it comes to Luthor in Superman Returns.

Then youre a hypocrite about advocating taking chances.

[Pickle-El]

There is no chance taking when it comes to Luthor in Superman Returns.


Aren't you one of the guys who talks smack about SR in the Smallville forums? :o

[NotFadeAway]

I don't like Singer's take because it keeps in line with the 78 Lex. TAS and Smallville's are both superior to that version. Spacey may be great at playing this role how it should be played, but from what I gathered in the novel, everything was very much like Donner's Lex. Yea he is way pissed at Superman, but thats it. Everything else is basically the same.

I don't see how Im a hypocrite either, although if you personally consider bringing the 1978 Lex Luthor back to the big screen than I can see the point your trying to make.

And yes, in the Smallville forum I posted that the Smallville Lex was superior to Singer's Lex, notice there is no comparison between the actors just the takes on the characters, and I stand by my statement. I also said it was ironic that Routh and Bosworth both tested for Smallville but lost to Welling and Kreuk, and now there in the movie.

Again, Im going off what Ive read in the novel, and I did re-read it again, what ive seen in the trailers, the fairly accurate fact that this film is a continuation plus some fleischer images, production notes, character notes, and blogs.

[jensmith]

At the rate Smallville is going, Clark can never become Superman. Too many people who should know him as Superman already know him as Clark Kent.

Yes, that drives me nuts. Lois Lane shouldn't have been brought in to Smallville. There is no way when Clark puts on the tights, she won't know who he is.

Lex Luthor in Smallville was the worst part of Birthright for me, and I was one of those who liked it. They tried to explain why Luthor wouldn't know and it just made no sense at all.

[Kane]

Lex acted like such a whiny baby in Birthright in Smallville, it was annoying.

[Kane]

I don't see how Im a hypocrite either, although if you personally consider bringing the 1978 Lex Luthor back to the big screen than I can see the point your trying to make.


You are though. You were advocating the show for taking chances that may or may not work; then you condemn taking the chance of doing an original Lex Luthor characterization for the film.......when the film isnt even out yet.

That doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

[jensmith]

Lex acted like such a whiny baby in Birthright in Smallville, it was annoying.

I agree.

[NotFadeAway]

You are though. You were advocating the show for taking chances that may or may not work; then you condemn taking the chance of doing an original Lex Luthor characterization for the film.......when the film isnt even out yet.

That doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

Listen Kane, after I read the novel, I sat down and truly thought about what kind of Lex it was. Personally, the conclusion that I came to was it's Hackmans Lex, with the only thing different being how pissed Lex was at Superman. Everything else about the character was the same to ME, therefor making it un-original in my eyes.

[Eros]

i do agree with you on some level Venom420, Tom welling and Michael Rosenbuam should of been superman and Lex in the movies. I can't get over how much Tom welling looks like a real life superman! anyone who hates smallville has to admit they could imagine welling in the suit, before they could Routh. I like Routh, but he just doesn't fit. Im not sure if its Rouths smaller physiue [compared to Wellings superior body] im not sure if its wellling cheek bones lol, but Routh coemes of wrong for the part. Every time i see him in a trailer, i get a very bland feeling.

[explode7]

Thanks for your input. Do try again!!!

[DC & Marvel]

This is how Smallville will end

Clark to Jor El

Clark - "Hey Jor El do me a favor"
Jor El - "What is it"
Clark - "I need another time Crystal"
Jor El - "I told you about that Son"
Clark - "No wait here me out. I want to travel to the future, where I can be fully grown up thanks to time traveling Lana will be stuck in Smallville, Lex will be my nemesis & you know how you always wanted me to accept my destiny, well if I go to the future & we skip all of the boring stuff I would have embraced my destiny by then"
Jor El - "Heres your Time Crystal

Then the last thing we will see is a big White Flash saying "The End"

[LostSon88]

Well based on that shot in TV Spot #12, it seems as if Singer took the inspiration from SV in regards of Superman's "look" of heat vision.

[DC & Marvel]

Well based on that shot in TV Spot #12, it seems as if Singer took the inspiration from SV in regards of Superman's "look" of heat vision.

Singer has said many times that there were "homeages" perhaps that is one of them

[BareKnucklez]

sorry but you cant call all interpretations of superman outside the AOS, MOS, S, AC comic line 'else-world tales' i mean theres several inconsitancies within those comics aswell due to the different interpreations of superman within the comic titles - spanning over the several decades of different writers over different story archs, it doesnt mean its elseworld so your wrong.

Actually anything other then the original comics by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster is considered an elseworld tale unless the storylines which were created by Siegel & Shuster is continued by another writer for comics or picked up to be made into a movie or tv show...

So in other words everything which has ever come out to live media has been an elseworld tale for they dont tell the storylines exactly how they were written by S&S.

Lois & Clark was an else world, Smallville is an elseworld, and Superman Returns is also an elseworld movie.

[Steelsheen]

^^ that's an awfully strict way of looking at it but you are correct.


but then half the stuff that made the Superman lore so rich and memorable were ideas contributed by other writers and from other medium.

[retconned]

I do not believe that silver age Superman was as character rich as the new stuff of today. Writers then didn't really understand the importance of good character development.