Sensational Spider-Man 28 preview

[Watchman]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/713/713045p1.html

I can not wait for this one

[The Joker]

Awesome :up:

Ock looks mega pissed :D

[SpideyInATree]

DOC OCK~!!!!

:eek:

YES! This looks pretty freakin' awesome, man. I CANNOT WAIT until this book comes out.

And, yes, Thank you, Joe Quesada for making this decision. You're not going to hear it very often, or at all on this website, and I'm saying, damnit. This is probably the most exciting Spider-Man has ever been to me...EVER!

:up:

[supermarvelman]

The unmasking was a good dicision.

[storyteller]

I truely hate the art. Especially with the new suit. Its like the new suit is uber tight(never before has there been so much detail on spideys ass) and weird looking in body structure.

[Captivated]

Art is strange... hmmm... not sure what I think of it.

Yeah, we KNEW there would be the initial titillation of people's reactions. It's been something I always thought would be cool to witness... BUT it's along the same lines of wanting to find out what flying feels like and jumping off a cliff. Fun till gravity takes over... :(

[USMC]

Wow, that artwork is horrendous.

[Jack O'Lantern]

Ah, so this is the issue that will feature Ock's reaction to Peter's ID being revealed. I'll have to pick it up. You can bet anything that I'll be getting Norman's reaction. ;)

[Dyeathrose]

I liked Crain's stuff on Venom v. Carnage, though I still think he draws regular humans a little quirky, I still dig the art. Seeing Doc Ock's reaction has piqued my interest to give it a look-see. After all, that takes the wind out of his sails from being the first (that I remember) to unmask him.

Awesome :up:

Ock looks mega pissed :D

Couldn't sum it up better if I tried. :)

[imdaly]

Art looks very cool. Story seems very cool.

This made me think of something I haven't yet until now...how do the student's parents feel about their teacher being a superhero, and consequently, a target for supervillains?

If I were a parent and in that situation, I'm sure I'd have a problem knowing that my kid is walking into a target every morning for school.

[Spec Spider-Man]

Interesting.

[Kool-Aid]

That looks pretty RAD.










Yes I said Rad.

[PhotoJones]

clayton's insane. if he could pull that s*** on a monthly, i think i'd have to worship him.

oh and yeah, i'm digging the unmasking. :up:

[WolfCypher]

Doc Ock doesn't look so chubby anymore...Peter looks exactly like Pat Mulligan when they did Venom vs. Carnage using the exact same artstyle! And why did that blackboard say Venom's back?

[imdaly]

Doc Ock doesn't look so chubby anymore... Yes. I, for one, and very happy to see him go back to looking a little more classic by losing the long hair, trench coat, and suction-cup arms!

And why did that blackboard say Venom's back? Either:

1) Great way for Venom to tease Spidey by pretty much saying "I can get you while you're in class around the kids now"

or

2) A cruel joke by a kid who's ASKING for detention :p

[WolfCypher]

I would love to hear the Doctor comment on spidey's metallic arms!

[Dangerous]

I prefer when Medina is on art chores but Crain is also good.
I think these guys are just filling in for the other artist when he is slow because its odd how its turning out they swap each issue.
Cool to see Doc Ock again, can't wait to see what he does even tho I think the unmasking is a bad idea.

[Hunter Rider]

The art is stunning:eek: this can't get to TPB fast enough:up:

[MyPokerShirt]

awful, awful artwork. i'd rather see comics regress to overlapping silver-age colours and basic lines than "advance" to more realistic art forms if one of them is basically just CGI. never been a huge fan of doc ock, although negative exposure was cool. don't think i'll be buying it.

[Happenstance]

Its not gonna make sense to me if Peter is allowed to stay on as a teacher at the school. I know if I ran a school I wouldnt want a superhero who could potentially put the students in danger everyday.

[MyPokerShirt]

^yeah i wonder what the note in the preview was about? aaaaand why does the board say he went to fight venom when he went to fight doc ock. the only saving grace for the writer is that he appears to be saying how spidey's responsibilities negate Mr Parker's responsibilites to his students. which is good and old school (no pun intended!!)

[The Joker]

^yeah i wonder what the note in the preview was about? aaaaand why does the board say he went to fight venom when he went to fight doc ock.

Judging from his reaction, it doesn't look like he was expecting Ock to show up. He looks surprised to see him. You see him leaving home with a broadcast on TV about the villains going wild, with Ock on the screen.

It looks like Peter just missed it. Either that, or that's what he's leaving to respond to.

Either way I am psyched to see Ock's reaction to this. He unmasked Peter before, but didn't believe it was him:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/DoctorOck/ASM12unmask.jpg


He nearly became Peter's uncle, and he tried to force him to unmask himself in Times Square in Countdown. From the preview, you can see Ock is mighty pissed off :up:

[MyPokerShirt]

whatever happened with him in marvel knights? while all that venomous stuff was going on? the police were doing some kinda testing on him??

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

I'm glad to see that Aguirre-Sacassa pays attention to Spidey's past. This should be a fun arc, and I can't wait to read it!

The one thing I like the most about the unmasking is that instead of going back to try to rewrite history, they are creating it by doing something new. :up:

[James"007"Bond]

Missed a few issues, I need to catch up. This is the only book worth giving a damn about.

[James"007"Bond]

Awesome :up:

Ock looks mega pissed :D

Absoloutly.

[Dangerous]

Yeah the fact that Aguirre-Sacassa is hip to continuity will mean it is fun to read.

[MyPokerShirt]

Missed a few issues, I need to catch up. This is the only book worth giving a damn about.

FNSM is better

[Kraven]

I can't wait to hear what Doc Ock says and does in the issue. Should be exciting. Also, I'm loving how Sacasa is using the old rogues in his stories. It's quite fun.

[MyPokerShirt]

Its cool that old foes apart from venom and green goblin are used. i think its sad tho that the newest villain in "spideys greatest villains" is venom, really. perhaps carnage. shame we havnt hada new, instant-classic foe for a decade or two!

[deemar325]

Nice pics, that's all.

[Won '08]

My God. This art is Fantastic. Very Spidey-Esque. I think this guy should stay on.

[CaptainStacy]

This should be kick-ass. And i am SO happy to see a continuity-friendly writer handling the first meeting between Ock and the recently identity revealed Spider-Man.

[SpideyInATree]

The one thing I like the most about the unmasking is that instead of going back to try to rewrite history, they are creating it by doing something new. :up:

Agreed. I've seen comparisons between the Clone Saga and the unmasking and the big difference is that the Clone Saga tweaked with Spidey past history...this isn't.

It's also why Sins Past was such a huge disaster. Leave the past alone, move forward.

[spahn]

VENOM! I wonder if brock will be back?

and the art does take a little gettng used too. i'm not a big fan, but a little change every now and then doesn't hurt.

[WolfCypher]

It may have been a joke. Besides, Venom III is still around.

[The Joker]

Why on earth would he joke about something as serious as Venom being back in town, especially with his students who are still dealing with the fact that their teacher is Spider-Man?? I doubt it's Brock that's back though, because on the cover of Civil War #5 is Gargan's Venom.

There is a broadcast on TV about the villains going wild, and you can see Ock on it. I wonder if there is a mass escape or something. The way Ock is dressed, it looks like he just escaped from somewhere. I've never known him to go around shirtless.

One thing I'm glad about though, is that Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is supposed to be big into continuity. I hope Ock mentions the events of ASM #12 and the Countdown incident.

[MyPokerShirt]

One thing I'm glad about though, is that Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is supposed to be big into continuity.

i've heard that a lot, but just from these boards. any reason why thats being thrown about? is he a big fan/ is there any evidence?

[WolfCypher]

Why on earth would he joke about something as serious as Venom being back in town

Because Spidey always jokes around? Besides, Spidey hasn't taken Venom seriously since the late 90s. Remember how Peter would have panic attacks every time he heard that Venom was back in town? Recently, he acts as if Venom wasn't a big deal. And I'm refering to VENOM, not Scorpom.

[The Joker]

i've heard that a lot, but just from these boards. any reason why thats being thrown about? is he a big fan/ is there any evidence?

Well the fact that he mentioned in his interview on Newsrama about Ock being pissed off about the incident in ASM#12 when he first unmasked Spidey.That was my first indication. I'm guessing that will be brought up by Ock in Sensational #28.

Other reliable posters like CaptainStacy also vouch for him. That's good enough for me.

Because Spidey always jokes around?

Ummmm what is so funny about saying Venom is back?? I don't get it....

Besides, Spidey hasn't taken Venom seriously since the late 90s. Remember how Peter would have panic attacks every time he heard that Venom was back in town? Recently, he acts as if Venom wasn't a big deal.

That's because Venom hasn't been a big deal, or decently written since the early 90's. And it's worse than ever now.

And I'm refering to VENOM, not Scorpom.

Venom is not around right now, Scorpom is. Even though Gargan is now called Venom by Spidey.

[Nebins]

Looks awesome! I love the artwork!

[WolfCypher]

Let me explain my case...

Well the fact that he mentioned in his interview on Newsrama about Ock being pissed off about the incident in ASM#12 when he first unmasked Spidey.That was my first indication. I'm guessing that will be brought up by Ock in Sensational #28.

Other reliable posters like CaptainStacy also vouch for him. That's good enough for me.



Ummmm what is so funny about saying Venom is back?? I don't get it....

He could be using Venom as a joke excuse for not being in class? I dunno! Leave me alone!


That's because Venom hasn't been a big deal, or decently written since the early 90's. And it's worse than ever now.

Except in the Spectacular Spider-Man relaunch. And the following writers said fook all that! Lets ruin him again!


Venom is not around right now, Scorpom is. Even though Gargan is now called Venom by Spidey.

C'mon, Doc! I of all people know that! I only made the referrence in case someone else who doesn't keep up with Venom didn't know what we were talking about.

[Trask]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Peter will end up loosing his job as a teacher by the end of this arc?

[Kraven]

Where are you guys getting the info on the news report saying Venom's loose? Did they release the worded preview?

[The Joker]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Peter will end up loosing his job as a teacher by the end of this arc?

Well if your kid's science teacher was attracting super villains like Doc Ock to the school, would you want him working there?? ;)

Yeah, Peter probably will get fired. And get a few snide comments from parents too.

Where are you guys getting the info on the news report saying Venom's loose? Did they release the worded preview?

It's in the preview there tom, written on one of the classroom boards by Peter. There's a student reading it.

[Kraven]

Ooops, no wonder I missed that. I skimmed mostly all the pages except the Doc Ock ones.

[The Lizard]

Hmmm ... I'm noticing that no one seems to have made a thread about Sensational SM # 27 and the end of the "Feral" storyline. Does that mean that most of us were underwhelmed by the end of that storyline?

It was a pretty good story idea overall, but seeing Black Cat take down the Lizard - again :rolleyes: , seeing Stegron start crying at the prospect of loosing his meteorite, and seeing Spidey whip out those stupid stingers and go all Wolverine kind of soured it for me. Since when was Stegron able to be reverted back to a human as shown in that flashback? What about Billy now having the Lizard serum in his system? Will Black Cat quit making a pest of herself around Spidey now that she's hooked up with Puma, or will some other writer simply forget it ever happened?

"Feral" was a nice action-packed diversion from the weirdness going on in the other Spidey titles, but it remains a dim light in an otherwise dark sky of disappointing Spidey storylines. Final score: 7/10.

[MyPokerShirt]

seriously. everybody get FNSM 8-10

kicks sensational's ass

[Dangerous]

Hmmm ... I'm noticing that no one seems to have made a thread about Sensational SM # 27 and the end of the "Feral" storyline. Does that mean that most of us were underwhelmed by the end of that storyline?

It was a pretty good story idea overall, but seeing Black Cat take down the Lizard - again :rolleyes: , seeing Stegron start crying at the prospect of loosing his meteorite, and seeing Spidey whip out those stupid stingers and go all Wolverine kind of soured it for me. Since when was Stegron able to be reverted back to a human as shown in that flashback? What about Billy now having the Lizard serum in his system? Will Black Cat quit making a pest of herself around Spidey now that she's hooked up with Puma, or will some other writer simply forget it ever happened?

"Feral" was a nice action-packed diversion from the weirdness going on in the other Spidey titles, but it remains a dim light in an otherwise dark sky of disappointing Spidey storylines. Final score: 7/10.

Yeah, started off amazing, I enjoyed the whole thing but the ending seemed a little hastily wrapped. Look forward to more from the new team.

[shinlyle]

I was a little dissappointed with the end of "Feral" as well. It wasn't BAD by any means, but I expected more.

All in all, the fact that it didn't end with a "Shock" or "Startling revelation" makes it better than the other 2 Spidey books....until next month, when they all become worthless to me....:(

[Won '08]

Hmmm ... I'm noticing that no one seems to have made a thread about Sensational SM # 27 and the end of the "Feral" storyline. Does that mean that most of us were underwhelmed by the end of that storyline?

It was a pretty good story idea overall, but seeing Black Cat take down the Lizard - again :rolleyes: , seeing Stegron start crying at the prospect of loosing his meteorite, and seeing Spidey whip out those stupid stingers and go all Wolverine kind of soured it for me. Since when was Stegron able to be reverted back to a human as shown in that flashback? What about Billy now having the Lizard serum in his system? Will Black Cat quit making a pest of herself around Spidey now that she's hooked up with Puma, or will some other writer simply forget it ever happened?

"Feral" was a nice action-packed diversion from the weirdness going on in the other Spidey titles, but it remains a dim light in an otherwise dark sky of disappointing Spidey storylines. Final score: 7/10. Black Cat is an enhanced human you know. Also Stegron has been reverted a few times in his run ins with Pete. Annnd Billy got that when Curt gave him a blood transfusion I believe. YEAAAAAARS ago in an Annual I think.

[Themanofbat]

Hmmm ... I'm noticing that no one seems to have made a thread about Sensational SM # 27 and the end of the "Feral" storyline. Does that mean that most of us were underwhelmed by the end of that storyline?

It was a pretty good story idea overall, but seeing Black Cat take down the Lizard - again :rolleyes: , seeing Stegron start crying at the prospect of loosing his meteorite, and seeing Spidey whip out those stupid stingers and go all Wolverine kind of soured it for me. Since when was Stegron able to be reverted back to a human as shown in that flashback? What about Billy now having the Lizard serum in his system? Will Black Cat quit making a pest of herself around Spidey now that she's hooked up with Puma, or will some other writer simply forget it ever happened?

"Feral" was a nice action-packed diversion from the weirdness going on in the other Spidey titles, but it remains a dim light in an otherwise dark sky of disappointing Spidey storylines. Final score: 7/10.

I liked it... when BC took down the Lizard yet again, I smirked and thought of you. :D :(

My one complaint was when Spidey whupped out his "stingers" at the end, they were coming out "Wolverine style", and not through his wrists like it was originally shown... and they also had a Wolverine style curve to them.. :rolleyes:

But it was a nice action-packed tale... I've always like Stegron. :cool:

:)

[Kraven]

Black Cat is an enhanced human you know. Also Stegron has been reverted a few times in his run ins with Pete. Annnd Billy got that when Curt gave him a blood transfusion I believe. YEAAAAAARS ago in an Annual I think.

Actually, in #25 you will see that Conners injects it into his son somewhere near the beginning of the storyline. He also says "the Rock" told him to do it, which also makes me assume it was around the beginning of the story.

[Won '08]

Actually, in #25 you will see that Conners injects it into his son somewhere near the beginning of the storyline. He also says "the Rock" told him to do it, which also makes me assume it was around the beginning of the story. Good show.

[MyPokerShirt]

I liked it... when BC took down the Lizard yet again, I smirked and thought of you. :D :(

My one complaint was when Spidey whupped out his "stingers" at the end, they were coming out "Wolverine style", and not through his wrists like it was originally shown... and they also had a Wolverine style curve to them.. :rolleyes:

But it was a nice action-packed tale... I've always like Stegron. :cool:

:)


what??? you mean they came out of the back of his arms not his wrists?? thats awful, thats not even bothering to look at continuity :S

[spiderbob]

what??? you mean they came out of the back of his arms not his wrists?? thats awful, thats not even bothering to look at continuity :S

Well, the past several Spidey arcs haven't really bothered to look at continuity. It's kinda one of those sad things you regret but expect to happen.

As for the art of #28, I'm not too fond of the cover, the art just looks...off to me, but the art for the pages looks pretty good, especially the enraged Doc Ock.

[MyPokerShirt]

im actually enraged that they cud get something so simple so wrong

[Themanofbat]

im actually enraged that they cud get something so simple so wrong

No kidding.... somebody's editor was asleep at the wheel for that one. :mad: :mad: :mad:

:(

[wolvie2020]

My one complaint was when Spidey whupped out his "stingers" at the end, they were coming out "Wolverine style", and not through his wrists like it was originally shown... and they also had a Wolverine style curve to them.. :rolleyes:


You know, I don't think that those were his 'stingers,' I think that they came out of his all empowering 'Iron Spidey,' suit

The current Marvel editorial have a great idea of 'if you ignore it, lets pretend it didn't happen.' It'a happened with Sarah and Gabe of Sins Past, Zeke's ending, Tracer, Morluns return, weird Spider Woman thing. Only PAD has touched on Other continuity.

The stingers and Spidey's amped up strength have been very much ignored AND played down, (aside from one, maybe 2 mentions from PAD.)

The reasons I don't think that they're the stingers are;

1st off, the stingers come in random panic, he hasn't controlled them yet

2nd, they've only looked like bone B4, there's no way in hell that he can have metal stingers, and at the end of this story they clearly had a metal look.

3rd, We just saw Spidey turn his suit into molding metal alloy, (a la Terminator 2,) to cover the rock, and stop the mayhem. Surely Spidey could do the exact same thing to have blades Wolvie style, no?

To me, they were not the stingers, for all the above reasons. And I won't argue about this with anyone, as we all know it'll be a bit of a stupid conversation lol

[Themanofbat]

To me, they were not the stingers, for all the above reasons. And I won't argue about this with anyone, as we all know it'll be a bit of a stupid conversation lol

You know... I can accept that. :)

End of conversation. :D

;)

[CaptainStacy]

I liked it... when BC took down the Lizard yet again, I smirked and thought of you. :D :(


Lol, so did I!!!

Man, punked by the Black Cat TWICE in one story arc! How embarassing!

Conners must be a lover, 'cuz he sure aint a fighter.

(kidding, Liz)

Seriously; i absolutely loved this arc. Cant wait to see Doc Ock and the Chameleon (and friends) in upcoming issues.

[Captivated]

My one complaint was when Spidey whupped out his "stingers" at the end, they were coming out "Wolverine style", and not through his wrists like it was originally shown... and they also had a Wolverine style curve to them.. Better drawn THAT way than drawn like lumpy pieces of wood. May-be if they were shorter...

[MaraJanesSlave]

You know, I don't think that those were his 'stingers,' I think that they came out of his all empowering 'Iron Spidey,' suit

The current Marvel editorial have a great idea of 'if you ignore it, lets pretend it didn't happen.' It'a happened with Sarah and Gabe of Sins Past, Zeke's ending, Tracer, Morluns return, weird Spider Woman thing. Only PAD has touched on Other continuity.

The stingers and Spidey's amped up strength have been very much ignored AND played down, (aside from one, maybe 2 mentions from PAD.)

The reasons I don't think that they're the stingers are;

1st off, the stingers come in random panic, he hasn't controlled them yet

2nd, they've only looked like bone B4, there's no way in hell that he can have metal stingers, and at the end of this story they clearly had a metal look.

3rd, We just saw Spidey turn his suit into molding metal alloy, (a la Terminator 2,) to cover the rock, and stop the mayhem. Surely Spidey could do the exact same thing to have blades Wolvie style, no?

To me, they were not the stingers, for all the above reasons. And I won't argue about this with anyone, as we all know it'll be a bit of a stupid conversation lol

If they came from the suit, though, that would mean it wasn't an accident, and that Spidey "willed" them to come out, which irritates me. Spidey DOES NOT kill, maim, or mutilate, which could easily be done with those. So I'm not okay with it. But I'll have to live with it as I've had to live with everything else Marvel has thrown our way.

~Mara Jane

[The Lizard]

Black Cat is an enhanced human you know.
Enhanced by what, exactly? I know she used to be ranked as "athletic human" stength, so is she wearing some kind of strength-enhancing bodysuit that bumped her up a level or two? Even if that's the case, an "enhanced strength" character is still only about one-tenth as strong as the Lizard, who can lift 12 tons.
Also Stegron has been reverted a few times in his run ins with Pete.
The only other time I'm aware that Stegron was human again was at the beginning of the Lethal Foes of Spider-Man mini from 1993. He was a homeless catatonic wandering Central Park until he got blasted by some ray gun that dinosaur-ized him again. This didn't really make sense either, since in Marvel Team-Up vol 1 #20 (part 2 of Stegron's origin story), Curt Connors states very plainly that Stegron's mutation is irreversible. Sloppy research by the writers on both counts.

Annnd Billy got that when Curt gave him a blood transfusion I believe. YEAAAAAARS ago in an Annual I think.
As was already pointed out, Curt injected Billy for the first time with the Lizard formula as part of this "Feral" story because the meteorite "told him to." You were probably thinking of ASM # 365 where Lizzy (with the mind of Curt Connors) busts into Billy's birthday party and takes a blood sample so he can make a new antidote and turn back into a human.


So to review:

Black Cat's smackdown on the Lizard - still just an illogical plot device not based on any kind of continuity with her past abilities.

Stegron's reverting back to human - still unexplained as to how and why this happened (although not without precedent).

Billy being injected with the Lizard formula - still a big unaddressed issue glossed over at the end of "Feral". Is Billy now in danger of transforming if he's under stress from here on out? Since Curt has now infected his beloved son with the same "curse" that he himself can't get rid of, is Curt even more depressed and unstable than before?


Sloppy writing, research and editing remains the bane of Spidey stories these days.

[Themanofbat]

Enhanced by what, exactly? I know she used to be ranked as "athletic human" stength, so is she wearing some kind of strength-enhancing bodysuit that bumped her up a level or two? Even if that's the case, an "enhanced strength" character is still only about one-tenth as strong as the Lizard, who can lift 12 tons.

The only other time I'm aware that Stegron was human again was at the beginning of the Lethal Foes of Spider-Man mini from 1993. He was a homeless catatonic wandering Central Park until he got blasted by some ray gun that dinosaur-ized him again. This didn't really make sense either, since in Marvel Team-Up vol 1 #20 (part 2 of Stegron's origin story), Curt Connors states very plainly that Stegron's mutation is irreversible. Sloppy research on both counts.


As was already pointed out, Curt injected Billy for the first time with the Lizard formula as part of this "Feral" story because the meteorite "told him to." You were probably thinking of ASM # 365 where Lizzy (with the mind of Curt Connors) busts into Billy's birthday party and takes a blood sample so he can make a new antidote and turn back into a human.


So to review:

Black Cat's smackdown on the Lizard - still just an illogical plot device not based on any kind of continuity with her past abilities.

Stegron's reverting back to human - still unexplained as to how and why this happened (although not without precedent).

Billy being injected with the Lizard formula - still a big unaddressed issue glossed over at the end of "Feral". Is Billy now in danger of transforming if he's under stress from here on out? Since Curt has now infected his beloved son with the same "curse" that he himself can't get rid of, is Curt even more depressed and unstable than before?


Sloppy writing, research and editing remains the bane of Spidey stories these days.

You're just pissed at Lizzy's smackdown by the Cat. :D :D :(

I don't understand why current writers like to make BC more powerful than she really is. The only "powers" I ever recall her having were the "bad luck" powers she received by the Kingpin years ago.

But a "feral" Lizard should rip her to shreds... really. :mad: :(

[The Lizard]

You're just pissed at Lizzy's smackdown by the Cat. :D :D :(

I don't understand why current writers like to make BC more powerful than she really is. The only "powers" I ever recall her having were the "bad luck" powers she received by the Kingpin years ago.

But a "feral" Lizard should rip her to shreds... really. :mad: :(

Well, the real answer to why that happened was in the Marvel Spotlight interview with "Feral" writer Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa from a couple months ago. Aguirre-Sacasa said that Black Cat was one of his personal favorite supporting characters from the Spidey books. Thus, I think we saw some serious pro-BC bias in this story.

But again, I think the big focus on Felicia these days is still left over from Kevin Smith's Evil that Men Do mini. It doesn't make BC any less of a poor-man's Catwoman, but if she sells books its good enough for Marvel. :(

I'm going to get a writing gig with Marvel just so I can write a story where the Lizard beats up Venom and Carnage at the same time. Apparently if you've got enough name recognition you can do whatever.

[SpideyInATree]

But a "feral" Lizard should rip her to shreds... really. :mad: :(

I believe Puma told Cat that Lizard and Vermin were tired out from battling one another. Which was why it was so easy to take them both down.

I liked this story, it wasn't anything earth shattering but just a good straight forward Spider-Man story. Though it was good to see a writer utilizing the Iron Spidey suit for once. I think this is really the only writer I've seen use the suits many talents in one story arc.

[Norman Osborn]

I believe Puma told Cat that Lizard and Vermin were tired out from battling one another. Which was why it was so easy to take them both down.
.

True....but Liz did get b%$^& slapped in their first battle of the arc which in my opinion was silly enough, but having BC no sell a vicious tail swipe that should have sent her spleen through the top of her head was ridiculous......

...be that as it may...it was a good story

[SpideyInATree]

I didn't know that Lizard's vicious tail swipes would cause the spleen to be shot to the head...but I'll take your word for it. :)

[Spider-Man™]

For sure i'll be getting this.

[MyPokerShirt]

I believe Puma told Cat that Lizard and Vermin were tired out from battling one another. Which was why it was so easy to take them both down.

I liked this story, it wasn't anything earth shattering but just a good straight forward Spider-Man story. Though it was good to see a writer utilizing the Iron Spidey suit for once. I think this is really the only writer I've seen use the suits many talents in one story arc.


it hasnt really been around long enough. its been used every time a story has had a battle i think..

[spydermixx]

I thought Ock knew Peter was Spiderman? Didnt he save him from a virus (or try to at least), as he didn't want him to die like that? It was about the same time Daredevil "killed" off Matt Murdoch.

[The Joker]

I thought Ock knew Peter was Spiderman? Didnt he save him from a virus (or try to at least), as he didn't want him to die like that?

Yes, he unmasked him and cured him from the virus, because he wanted the privelege of killing Spidey himself. But shortly after that he was killed by Kaine.

When he was resurrected, his memories were only up to the time just before when he unmasked Spider-Man. Hence he no longer knows Spidey's identity.

[SpideyInATree]

Yes, he unmasked him and cured him from the virus, because he wanted the privelege of killing Spidey himself. But shortly after that he was killed by Kaine.

When he was resurrected, his memories were only up to the time just before when he unmasked Spider-Man. Hence he no longer knows Spidey's identity.

A little too convenient if you ask me. :o

[The Joker]

A little too convenient if you ask me. :o

Well that's Marvel for you. Always taking the shameful and easy way out. When the cheap shock value has worn off, they find a quick and easy cheap fix to the mess they made.

In this case, Ock not knowing Spidey's identity when he returned, so they could return their relationship to the way it always was, because they had foolishly thought fans would not mind Ock being dead. WRONG!!! They had to bring him back post haste.

A female Octopus is no substitute for Octavius.

[SpideyInATree]

Well that's Marvel for you. Always taking the shameful and easy way out. When the cheap shock value has worn off, they find a quick and easy cheap fix to the mess they made.

In this case, Ock not knowing Spidey's identity when he returned, so they could return their relationship to the way it always was, because they had foolishly thought fans would not mind Ock being dead. WRONG!!! They had to bring him back post haste.

A female Octopus is no substitute for Octavius.

Well, I wouldn't have minded if Doctor Octopus had stayed dead. There are plenty of past stories with him...it's not like he was a new character, haha.

But, yeah, it was a dumb decision. Just like the resurrection of Aunt May was a really dumb decision.

And going back on their original plan of having Ben Reilly be the one true Spider-Man. That was a dumb decision, in my opinion. But that one I will give them a little credit. The fans freaked out and they gave them, basically, what they wanted in the end. But I was a Ben fan, and it saddened me. :(

[The Joker]

Well, I wouldn't have minded if Doctor Octopus had stayed dead.

Well thank god that was a minority feeling.

There are plenty of past stories with him...it's not like he was a new character, haha.

Riiiiiight, so it's ok to kill off a classic cool character as long as there's plenty of old stories to read with them in it???

But, yeah, it was a dumb decision. Just like the resurrection of Aunt May was a really dumb decision.

Aunt May's death was touching and well written. Ock's death was cheap shock value. Kill off Ock?? Nevah!! He had to return. And he did.

And going back on their original plan of having Ben Reilly be the one true Spider-Man. That was a dumb decision, in my opinion.

:confused:

Peter Parker is the one true Spider-Man. Not some silly blonde clone. Be glad they went with that decision.

But that one I will give them a little credit. The fans freaked out and they gave them, basically, what they wanted in the end.

Yes, they did listen to the fans sometimes back then.

Wish they would now.

[SpideyInATree]

Well thank god that was a minority feeling.

Riiiiiight, so it's ok to kill off a classic cool character as long as there's plenty of old stories to read with them in it???

Aunt May's death was touching and well written. Ock's death was cheap shock value. Kill off Ock?? Nevah!! He had to return. And he did.

:confused:

Peter Parker is the one true Spider-Man. Not some silly blonde clone. Be glad they went with that decision.

Yes, they did listen to the fans sometimes back then.

Wish they would now.

I didn't say that it's ok to kill him because he had past stories. I said, I, me...myself...wouldn't mind if he stayed dead. There are enough past stories with Doc Ock I can read if he were to have stayed dead. That's all. I'm not JUSTIFYING it, haha. You love taking me out of context.

Yeah, his death was shock value. I don't know about cheap though. The story was pretty kick ass.

That's right, Peter Parker is the one true Spider-Man and Ben Reilly WAS Peter Parker, haha.

Actually, they kind of are. Quesada and JMS have said they want to take Spidey back to a Stan Lee-esque Spider-Man. Isn't that what many fans here want? No totems, unmaskings, Osborn twins, etc? No more constant shocking moments and all that? Just some straight forward Spider-Man stories?

I'm not saying that's what they PLAN to do. But that's what a Stan Lee-esque Spider-Man would be to me. Peter Parker balancing his life as Spider-man and Peter Parker, and keeping things simple.

[Démon]

Actually, in #25 you will see that Conners injects it into his son somewhere near the beginning of the storyline. He also says "the Rock" told him to do it, which also makes me assume it was around the beginning of the story.

You know Connors is messed up when he starts formulating his villainous schemes by watching wrestling.

:p

[MyPokerShirt]

actually the impression i got was that people didnt mind ock dying. it hekped further the character of kaine and yes, having good past stories easily would have made up for him being dead. there really is only so much you can do - the proof is how badly theyve used him since his return. i think what made them think they had to bring him back was becos some idiot decided an "ock" character was needed and made lady octopus, who was totally unneccessary and quite lame. now he's around im glad, but like may i wuda preferred him to stay dead.

[The Joker]

I didn't say that it's ok to kill him because he had past stories. I said, I, me...myself...wouldn't mind if he stayed dead. There are enough past stories with Doc Ock I can read if he were to have stayed dead. That's all. I'm not JUSTIFYING it, haha. You love taking me out of context.

No, I'm asking you is that how you feel. You think it's ok to see classic characters killed off, as long as you have plenty of old stories with them in it to read.

Wierd train of thought. That's all I'll say.

Yeah, his death was shock value. I don't know about cheap though. The story was pretty kick ass.

Story was great. Ending was cheap.

That's right, Peter Parker is the one true Spider-Man and Ben Reilly WAS Peter Parker, haha.

Ben was never Peter Parker. He just thought he was.

Actually, they kind of are. Quesada and JMS have said they want to take Spidey back to a Stan Lee-esque Spider-Man. Isn't that what many fans here want? No totems, unmaskings, Osborn twins, etc? No more constant shocking moments and all that? Just some straight forward Spider-Man stories?

A pity they didn't think of that before they did totems, unmaskings, Osborn twins and the Other nonsense they've done.

I'm not saying that's what they PLAN to do. But that's what a Stan Lee-esque Spider-Man would be to me. Peter Parker balancing his life as Spider-man and Peter Parker, and keeping things simple.

Oh how I yearn for those type of stories again.

actually the impression i got was that people didnt mind ock dying.

Shortest character death I've ever seen in Spidey. He was back in less than 2 years.

People minded.

[Dangerous]

No way BC is a poor mans Catwoman, Lizard.
Felicia is way cooler.

[MyPokerShirt]

Shortest character death I've ever seen in Spidey. He was back in less than 2 years.

People minded.

you're going on how quick he was back as to whether people minded? no no no no no. he was back so quick as coincidence. if u remember it was shortly before MJ died and around the same time Aunt May was back -- they were tryin to take the character back to the good ol' days due to sales falling. sales fell due to horrible end to clone saga with ben takin over the reigns. not really anything to do with ock himself, hence why he wasnt used(at least properly) for a good few years after he was back.

[MyPokerShirt]

you're name is actually Doc Ock. whats even the point in arguin this?

[The Joker]

you're going on how quick he was back as to whether people minded? no no no no no. he was back so quick as coincidence. if u remember it was shortly before MJ died and around the same time Aunt May was back -- they were tryin to take the character back to the good ol' days due to sales falling. sales fell due to horrible end to clone saga with ben takin over the reigns. not really anything to do with ock himself, hence why he wasnt used(at least properly) for a good few years after he was back.

No, Octavius himself was missed. His death did not have the spectacularism that Norman Osborn's did in ASM#122. He did not have a bitter son like Harry to carry on his legacy. No, they gave us a pink haired female Octopus.

The fans wanted the regular Ock back. Plain and simple. Yes it was one of the many mistakes they had to clean up from the clone saga.

you're name is actually Doc Ock. whats even the point in arguin this?

Well I can see there's no point in debating with you, since you judge people by their usernames, and therefore assume they're completely close minded to reasonable debate :rolleyes:

[spahn]

when did Doc Ock die?

[The Joker]

In Spectacular Spider-Man #221, during the clone saga:

http://www.spiderfan.org/cgi-bin/cover.pl?12312,spiderman_spectacular,221.jpg

[MyPokerShirt]

yeah but ur obv a big fan. i... just love my poker shirt... :s

[SpideyInATree]

No, I'm asking you is that how you feel. You think it's ok to see classic characters killed off, as long as you have plenty of old stories with them in it to read.

Wierd train of thought. That's all I'll say.

Story was great. Ending was cheap.

Ben was never Peter Parker. He just thought he was.

A pity they didn't think of that before they did totems, unmaskings, Osborn twins and the Other nonsense they've done.

Oh how I yearn for those type of stories again.

No, that's not how I feel. I told you I wasn't trying to justify it. He was killed, by Kaine. What do you want ME to do about it? There are like 30 odd years of Spider-Man stories that had many appearances of Doc Ock. I was just saying that maybe the character is dead in the current stories, but not dead to Spider-Man fans, who have plenty of back issues to choose from.

You may have thought the ending was cheap, I thought it was pretty intense.

Originally, Ben was the original Peter Parker. Remember that they changed it due to the fan outcry? I wasn't one of the fans angry about it. I was one of the fans who liked Ben Reilly and didn't mind. The way that the story was supposed to go, Ben was Peter. Therefore, the one TRUE Spider-Man. But, going on the notion of the actual storyline, yes...Ben was the clone. And it saddens me heavily. :(

You dislike the Totem storyline, but I don't. I loved it and thought it was a cool story. Should have never reintroduced it with The Other, it jumped the shark as I said in another thread. Book of Ezekiel was a fitting and proper ending to the storyline.

Sins Past was all right but it was just a really dumb idea. If you read those old stories it's actually quite impossible. And, yes, The Other wasn't the poster child of a well executed Spider-Man event, heh. As for the unmasking, that's to be decided. So far I've seen it handled with respect and no signs of trouble...yet. We'll see.

I know you yearn for those stories. You really love Stan Lee, haha. And the "haha" is to show I'm joking around/playing around.

[Themanofbat]

No, that's not how I feel. I told you I wasn't trying to justify it. He was killed, by Kaine. What do you want ME to do about it? There are like 30 odd years of Spider-Man stories that had many appearances of Doc Ock. I was just saying that maybe the character is dead in the current stories, but not dead to Spider-Man fans, who have plenty of back issues to choose from.

You may have thought the ending was cheap, I thought it was pretty intense.

Originally, Ben was the original Peter Parker. Remember that they changed it due to the fan outcry? I wasn't one of the fans angry about it. I was one of the fans who liked Ben Reilly and didn't mind. The way that the story was supposed to go, Ben was Peter. Therefore, the one TRUE Spider-Man. But, going on the notion of the actual storyline, yes...Ben was the clone. And it saddens me heavily. :(

You dislike the Totem storyline, but I don't. I loved it and thought it was a cool story. Should have never reintroduced it with The Other, it jumped the shark as I said in another thread. Book of Ezekiel was a fitting and proper ending to the storyline.

Sins Past was all right but it was just a really dumb idea. If you read those old stories it's actually quite impossible. And, yes, The Other wasn't the poster child of a well executed Spider-Man event, heh. As for the unmasking, that's to be decided. So far I've seen it handled with respect and no signs of trouble...yet. We'll see.

I know you yearn for those stories. You really love Stan Lee, haha. And the "haha" is to show I'm joking around/playing around.

I don't know... that "haha" sounded like a real kick in the nuts... :mad:

I'd watch yer back if I were you. :(

:D ;)

[SpideyInATree]

I don't know... that "haha" sounded like a real kick in the nuts... :mad:

I'd watch yer back if I were you. :(

:D ;)

If you haven't noticed on these boards already my back is in shreds.

[Themanofbat]

If you haven't noticed on these boards already my back is in shreds.

Yeah, I noticed that you get picked on a lot... :(

Maybe it's your user name... change it to SpideyEatingABanana :up:

:)

[SpideyInATree]

SpideyEatingADonut may be more fitting, heh

[The Joker]

Ok, who read this issue?? Was it any good??

Details, DETAILS please :)

[Captivated]

Ok, who read this issue?? Was it any good??

Details, DETAILS please :)
It wasn't what I was expecting... but, yeah, it was good.

It is told -- heavy on narration -- from the perspective of one of Peter's students. In short order we find a lot out about this kid, Jordon. He's into science, wants to be a marine biologist, and is counting on help from his teacher, Mr. Parker...

The morning after the big reveal, he and his mother are watching it replayed on the news. Shocked, to say the least. Jordon's lab partner -- a girl he has a mad crush on -- calls him for the first time, frantic and excited. They agree to meet in front of the school. She thinks Jordon will be interviewed and wants to be in on it, but he doesn't mind being used a little bit...

We see a few flash backs... we see how bugged Doc Ock is... the words "I've been Spider-Man since I was 15-years old" keeps going around in his head...

When Jordon gets to the school, his crush is waiting for him. There is panic in the streets, as Doc Ock is there, having a fight with Spider-Man.

Ock (like JJJ) thinks Peter, and his Aunt May, must have been laughing at him all these years. He recaps the story of the time he had Peter in his "arms" and let him go... because he didn't know. He's mad and pounds on Peter...

Jordon thinks he should DO something and goes to stand behind Ock. He speaks up. (I'm paraphrasing here.) "Yeah, if you had killed him back then, you wouldn't have been killing Spider-Man... you would have been killing a kid." Ock looks around... "And if you kill him now... you won't be killing Spider-Man, you'll be killing a teacher, and a family man... who has people who depend on him and love him..."

Ock turns to the kids and menaces... "Like you?"

What happens next is kinda cool... it ends rather quickly... but surely you don't want the WHOLE thing spoiled do you? :)

[MyPokerShirt]

yes. yes we do. u tease

[WolfCypher]

yes. yes we do. u tease

No need for subtlties. I can guess what happens...but I'm usually wrong anyway.

[The Joker]

It wasn't what I was expecting... but, yeah, it was good.

It is told -- heavy on narration -- from the perspective of one of Peter's student's. In short order we find a lot out about this kid, Jordon. He's into science, wants to be a marine biologist, and is counting on help from his teacher, Mr. Parker...

The morning after the big reveal, he and his mother are watching it replayed on the news. Shocked, to say the least. Jordon's lab partner -- a girl he has a mad crush on -- calls him for the first time, frantic and excited. They agree to meet in front of the school. She thinks Jordon will be interviewed and wants to be in on it, but he doesn't mind being used a little bit...

We see a few flash backs... we see how bugged Doc Ock is... the words "I've been Spider-Man since I was 15-years old" keeps going around in his head...

When Jordon gets to the school, his crush is waiting for him. There is panic in the streets, as Doc Ock is there, having a fight with Spider-Man.

Ock (like JJJ) thinks Peter, and his Aunt May, must have been laughing at him all these years. He recaps the story of the time he had Peter in his "arms" and let him go... because he didn't know. He's mad and pounds on Peter...

Jordon thinks he should DO something and goes to stand behind Ock. He speaks up. (I'm paraphrasing here.) "Yeah, if you had killed him back then, you wouldn't have been killing Spider-Man... you would have been killing a kid." Ock looks around... "And if you kill him now... you won't be killing Spider-Man, you'll be killing a teacher, and a family man... who has people who depend on him and love him..."

Ock turns to the kids and menaces... "Like you?"

What happens next is kinda cool... it ends rather quickly... but surely you don't want the WHOLE thing spoiled do you? :)

Wow, that sounds really cool. I particularly like Ock's reaction regarding Peter and May. Can't say I blame him for thinking like that.

I don't mind if you spoil the ending. I'm a spoilers man myself :)

Thanks Captivated. Much appreciated :up:

[Captivated]

yes. yes we do. u tease
Okay... you asked for it.

Doc Ock asks Jordon, "Are YOU one of those people who depend on Parker?"

He's a brave kid to answer Ock, who is towering over him (and his little girl-friend, Madeline) "Well... I'm one of his students, so yeah..." Madeline, hiding behind him says, "We both are."

Ock (who is mostly screaming here) points at Spider-Man, "And you think he actually CARES about you?"

Jordon, in a round about way answers, "yes," Madeline echos him.

Ock is impatient and a little incredulous... "And WHY, pray, should that matter to ME? In other words, why are you telling me these things?!"

Spidey -- who isn't on the ground anymore -- moves in behind Doc and says (with typical Spidey sarcasm) "Umm... just a guess... but, probably he was DISTRACTING you to buy me some time..."

Ock looks around..."What?"

It's the last thing Ock sees... Spidey, with his fist drawn back (perfectly mirrored in his goggles). With that Spidey knocks him into next week.

The kids are VERY impressed... Peter and Jordon exchange a few words and the narrator gives us an epilogue. It will make you smile. :)

[The Joker]

Okay... you asked for it.

Doc Ock asks Jordon, "Are YOU one of those people who depend on Parker?"

He's a brave kid to answer Ock, who is towering over him (and his little girl-friend, Madeline) "Well... I'm one of his students, so yeah..." Madeline, hiding behind him says, "We both are."

Ock (who is mostly screaming here) points at Spider-Man, "And you think he actually CARES about you?"

Jordon, in a round about way answers, "yes," Madeline echos him.

Ock is impatient and a little incredulous... "And WHY, pray, should that matter to ME? In other words, why are you telling me these things?!"

Spidey -- who isn't on the ground anymore -- moves in behind Doc and says (with typical Spidey sarcasm) "Umm... just a guess... but, probably he was DISTRACTING you to buy me some time..."

Ock looks around..."What?"

It's the last thing Ock sees... Spidey, with his fist drawn back (perfectly mirrored in his goggles). With that Spidey knocks him into next week.

The kids are VERY impressed... Peter and Jordon exchange a few words and the narrator gives us an epilogue. It will make you smile. :)

LOL! I love it. Man, Ock is such a nasty piece of work. He cares about nobody and nothing but himself :D

Thanks again Captivated. I'm really looking forward to this one now.

[Captivated]

LOL! I love it. Man, Ock is such a nasty piece of work. He cares about nobody and nothing but himself :D

Thanks again Captivated. I'm really looking forward to this one now.
No problem... let me know what you think of it when you finally read it. :)

[MyPokerShirt]

lol. brilliant. thanks captivated. poor stupid doc ock - sometimes its hard to tell he's a scientist. then again he's a MAD scientist so i guess a bit of idiocy can be explained away. i didnt like the previous cupla issues but think i'll be buying (/at least reading) this one.
jordan's gonna get the babe. geeks get the babes in the end :up: lol.

[Citizen_Kaine]

lol. brilliant. thanks captivated. poor stupid doc ock - sometimes its hard to tell he's a scientist. then again he's a MAD scientist so i guess a bit of idiocy can be explained away. i didnt like the previous cupla issues but think i'll be buying (/at least reading) this one.
jordan's gonna get the babe. geeks get the babes in the end :up: lol.

He does, the epilouge tells us, after seeing Peter do his thing, she develops, a thing for science nerds and that by the end of the week Madeline and Jordan are dating :up:

[The Joker]

No problem... let me know what you think of it when you finally read it. :)

Oh I'll be here tomorrow with my review :)

poor stupid doc ock - sometimes its hard to tell he's a scientist. then again he's a MAD scientist so i guess a bit of idiocy can be explained away.

How is he stupid??

What, because the students temporarily drew his attention by defending Parker?? Please. Ock just got a whopper of a shock about Spidey's identity. He's pissed off to the max. He feels cheated and betrayed. Then the students start defending Peter by spouting off about him being a family man etc.

It would attract ANY villain's attention. Nothing stupid about it at all.

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

I thought the issue was awesome. It gave a humanistic view of the entire unmasking thing. This goes to show that you can use continuity and things that happened in the past in a GOOD way. :up:

[MyPokerShirt]

How is he stupid??

What, because the students temporarily drew his attention by defending Parker?? Please. Ock just got a whopper of a shock about Spidey's identity. He's pissed off to the max. He feels cheated and betrayed. Then the students start defending Peter by spouting off about him being a family man etc.

It would attract ANY villain's attention. Nothing stupid about it at all.
ahahahaha. i only said that cos i saw your post 2 above mine. way to stay unbiased man ;) I just think it shows how crazy he is. doc ock from the movie (as in more realistic) would have probs battered the boy instantly. heck i would have battered the boy instantly, not go off on one. but whatever, i like ock mmmmmkay?

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

I would think the Doc Ock from the movie would be less likely to do that considering he was fighting the arms wishes for the entire movie.

[Spider-Man™]

Great issue.

[MyPokerShirt]

^ no he wasnt. what movie were you watching??? he only actually thought clearly enough to fight against the arms wishes right at the end. did you miss him threaten/ try to kill/ maim everybody?

[Doctor Octopus]

******

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

You must've missed the part when he didn't want to rob the bank, but the arms talked him into it.

[Spider-Man™]

In other words you're a troll :down

Just let his name do the talking.

[MyPokerShirt]

what is ur problem? i found it funny that doc ock fans jump to his defense. he was essentially beaten by a boy, is all. jeeesus, grow up willya, i LIKE doc ock and didnt say otherwise. doc ock (in the movie) fighting the arms was book ended. the robbing was to show who was in control and then at the end he gets that control back.didnt make him any less vicious in the movie itself.

[The Joker]

ahahahaha. i only said that cos i saw your post 2 above mine.

*GASP*

What a surprise :rolleyes:

way to stay unbiased man ;)

Way to be an troll man ;)

I just think it shows how crazy he is. doc ock from the movie (as in more realistic) would have probs battered the boy instantly.

Ock from the movie is less realistic and less likely to do that.

heck i would have battered the boy instantly, not go off on one.

That's the difference between you and a egotistical super villain.

but whatever, i like ock mmmmmkay?

Whatever.

Nice misquote of my name btw. Very original :rolleyes:

[MyPokerShirt]

thanx. thought it was worth a laugh. didnt know this thread was gona get so hostile and names were gona get thrown about. really what is ur problem?? just had a total lack of ppl to pick on since you dropped outta high school or summat? seriously, what did i do against you? all i ****ing did was say i thought it was a stupid way for ock to get beat, wasnt gona say it, but then wanted to see ur reaction -- which as usual is to start throwing names around and getting arsey. well done. now get back on topic.

let my name do the talking? what as opposed to ur extremely original name spider-man. well done *claps at sheep*. now get off my back willya??

ahem, now back on topic??

[gliderpilotgirl]

The first issue of Sensational I've ever read, and if they are all this good, I will keep it on my list. I liked the angle of "how it affects ordinary people in his life", it made me think, how would we all react if we found out something this weird about some person in our life...

[The Joker]

thanx. thought it was worth a laugh.

Well, we all make mistakes.

didnt know this thread was gona get so hostile and names were gona get thrown about. really what is ur problem??

I had none. Til you childishly misquoted my name.

just had a total lack of ppl to pick on since you dropped outta high school or summat?

Wow, it's like you see into my soul :rolleyes:

seriously, what did i do against you?

Well first you admit you tried to rile me up, then you misquote my name into an insult.

Grow up.

all i ****ing did was say i thought it was a stupid way for ock to get beat, wasnt gona say it, but then wanted to see ur reaction -- which as usual is to start throwing names around and getting arsey. well done.

Two things:

1. If you already knew what my usual reaction is, then why bother saying it??

2. Show me where I throw names around and get "arsey"

let my name do the talking?

Only if your name talks in a respectful manner.

what as opposed to ur extremely original name spider-man. well done *claps at sheep*.

You're mocking my screen name now??

LOL! Pathetic :D

now get off my back willya??

The words pot, kettle and black spring to mind here.

ahem, now back on topic??

Love to.

This issue sounds great, and I can't wait to read it myself :up:

[MyPokerShirt]

You're mocking my screen name now??

LOL! Pathetic :D


[getting back on topic:]

Love to.

This issue sounds great, and I can't wait to read it myself :up:

so: (1) you havnt even bloody read it yet? (downloads are beautiful)

and (2) how is YOUR name spider-manTM. wasnt addressing you -- he(spider-man TM) either thort that when someone posted 'moron' as my name it was (a) clever or (b) honestly thought that was name, which is pretty ****ing stupid.

where as (by the way) "Do cOck" was a typo that i left upon seeing it in all its hilarious glory. ALSO, way to get back on topic by splitting up what i said into many quotes and filling up more pages.


oh and editing out insults cos you know you shouldnt have sed them doesnt save you any face.

[MyPokerShirt]

The first issue of Sensational I've ever read, and if they are all this good, I will keep it on my list. I liked the angle of "how it affects ordinary people in his life", it made me think, how would we all react if we found out something this weird about some person in our life...


ppl have been praising it left, right and centre. i thought recently FNSM was better but yeah, looks like its on form.

[The Joker]

so: (1) you havnt even bloody read it yet? (downloads are beautiful)

I read Captivated's spoilers.

Did she leave anything out??

(2) how is YOUR name spider-manTM. wasnt addressing you -- he(spider-man TM) either thort that when someone posted 'moron' as my name it was (a) clever or (b) honestly thought that was name, which is pretty ****ing stupid.

You were addressing another poster in a quote directed at me???

Mmmmmkay, sorry for the mix up. But you were addressing me, and just dropped that into it. I assumed you were talking to me.

where as (by the way) "Do cOck" was a typo that i left upon seeing it in all its hilarious glory.

It was not a typo. You deliberately changed it, because the Hype automatically quotes the poster's name for you.

You went and changed it.

ALSO, way to get back on topic by splitting up what i said into many quotes and filling up more pages.

Pages?? It was all contained in one post.

And secondly, I'm not going to ignore the insults you threw at me.


oh and editing out insults cos you know you shouldnt have sed them doesnt save you any face.

Yes, I changed that ONE minor insult. Since I thought it best not to sink to your level. Even though I should be giving you a taste of your own medicine.

[MyPokerShirt]

i quick post quotes type: " [\(only other way around -- i dont want this quoted!)quote] pretty simple really:

[quote=whoever you damn well want]see? thankyou, come again.

[Rez]

I for one loved the entire Feral arc, and both of the artists on this book are fantastic. I wish they would trade arcs, however, not issues, for more uniformed storytelling.

Stegron is a personal favourite of mine, probably in my top 5. So I nearly pissed myself when he appeared. Great stuff.

[Citizen_Kaine]

I for one loved the entire Feral arc, and both of the artists on this book are fantastic. I wish they would trade arcs, however, not issues, for more uniformed storytelling.

Stegron is a personal favourite of mine, probably in my top 5. So I nearly pissed myself when he appeared. Great stuff.

Ditto, well... maybe not top 5

Hobgoblin
Kaine
Venom
Jackal
Kraven

But he's still pretty awesome eh?

Rez you read Clone Saga yet!!??

[Captivated]

i quick post quotes type: "[quote= whoever you damn well want] [\(only other way around -- i dont want this quoted!)quote] pretty simple really:
I would stop talking now, if I were you...

[Captivated]

The first issue of Sensational I've ever read, and if they are all this good, I will keep it on my list. I liked the angle of "how it affects ordinary people in his life", it made me think, how would we all react if we found out something this weird about some person in our life...
IMO, this was the best issue of Sensational so far. :up:

I really didn't get into the Feral arc... It had it's moments, but overall I thought it was tedious. And while Medina and his colorist are talented, his poor rendering of faces was so annoying, it was distracting.

[Rez]

Ditto, well... maybe not top 5

Hobgoblin
Kaine
Venom
Jackal
Kraven

But he's still pretty awesome eh?

Rez you read Clone Saga yet!!??


Yeah, he's great. Plus I'm big on dinosaurs, so he and Sauron automatically get some respect.

Haven't read the issue yet, but I read your summary in our thread. I have a lot of confidence that it will be great. In fact, quite recently I've changed my opinion on the Carnage arc, to some degree. I still feel as that- for Carnage, another villian high on my list- it was terrible. But as a love letter to the Clone Saga it works very well.
Basically, here's the deal: If Scarlet shows up, I don't care if the entire thing is garbage; I'll still be happy. If my precious blue hoodie doesn't appear, then the story better rock anyway.

[Maximum Carnage]

First time reading Sensational Spider-Man. Very nice read!

[Hobgoblin]

I don't know... that "haha" sounded like a real kick in the nuts... :mad:

I'd watch yer back if I were you. :(

:D ;)

Thats true, I wouldnt butt heads with Doc Ock. I've done it. It hurts. :( :down

[The Joker]

Ok, I just read issue 28. I really enjoyed it. Ock's reaction was everything I wanted it to be.

He was angry because Spider-Man was 15 years old when they first clashed. He felt humiliated and betrayed because he thought Peter and Aunt May had been laughing at him behind his back. But best of all, he was pissed because he missed the opportunity to snap Peter's neck when he unmasked him back in ASM #12.

And I loved how Peter was so freaked out by Ock's anger that he didn't get smart with him once. He didn't mock him, he didn't address him as Ock, or Octopus, or Doc or anything like that. He was that desperate to try and calm Ock down that he kept addressing him as Otto. Didn't help though :D

The Jordan kid and his girlfriend was an interesting angle on the story. You could see the similarities they were trying to show between Peter and Jordan. Liked the convo Jordan had with Peter about helping him become a Marine Biologist, and Peter assuring him that nobody knows Octopi like he does :D

Brave kid too confronting Ock. I was wondering what reaction he would evoke from Ock when he pointed out that if he kills Spider-Man, he'll be killing a family man who has people who love him and depend on him. Again, Ock's reaction did not disappoint as he didn't give a damn about any of that :D

The art was really cool. The writing was great. Ock was a badass. Great come back for my fav tentacled villain.

And best of all, just when he's captured in Sensational, he's been set free by Baron Zemo over in the pages of Thunderbolts. And is looking to get revenge on all the super heros :up:

[shinlyle]

Ok, I just read issue 28. I really enjoyed it. Ock's reaction was everything I wanted it to be.

He was angry because Spider-Man was 15 years old when they first clashed. He felt humiliated and betrayed because he thought Peter and Aunt May had been laughing at him behind his back. But best of all, he was pissed because he missed the opportunity to snap Peter's neck when he unmasked him back in ASM #12.

And I loved how Peter was so freaked out by Ock's anger that he didn't get smart with him once. He didn't mock him, he didn't address him as Ock, or Octopus, or Doc or anything like that. He was that desperate to try and calm Ock down that he kept addressing him as Otto. Didn't help though :D

The Jordan kid and his girlfriend was an interesting angle on the story. You could see the similarities they were trying to show between Peter and Jordan. Liked the convo Jordan had with Peter about helping him become a Marine Biologist, and Peter assuring him that nobody knows Octopi like he does :D

Brave kid too confronting Ock. I was wondering what reaction he would evoke from Ock when he pointed out that if he kills Spider-Man, he'll be killing a family man who has people who love him and depend on him. Again, Ock's reaction did not disappoint as he didn't give a damn about any of that :D

The art was really cool. The writing was great. Ock was a badass. Great come back for my fav tentacled villain.

And best of all, just when he's captured in Sensational, he's been set free by Baron Zemo over in the pages of Thunderbolts. And is looking to get revenge on all the super heros :up:

Ock, is this book worth my money, or should I cancel my subscription to it along with ASM and FNSM (which I haven't read in months)? Sounds like it may still be worth the money...

[pussywillow1972]

Enhanced by what, exactly? I know she used to be ranked as "athletic human" stength, so is she wearing some kind of strength-enhancing bodysuit that bumped her up a level or two? Even if that's the case, an "enhanced strength" character is still only about one-tenth as strong as the Lizard, who can lift 12 tons.

In PPTSSM #89, she received various powers from the Kingpin including the ability to generate bad luck for her opponents, increased agility, the ability to extend claws and other "cat-like" abilities. In the ASM #352-354 (I think,) arc where SPidey gives up his powers through a machine that muted his abilities, Black Cat lost those powers when Spidey used the machine to get his own back. She subsequently went to the Tinkerer in a future issue, (I can't remember the exact number,) and got some devices that mimicked those abilities, (agility, claws, etc,) incorporated into her suit.

Now considering that the machine that took her powers away only muted them, not removed them altogether, it's not a stretch to think that the machine's effect lessened over time and her abilities came back, enabling her to take on the Lizard, or to simply say she's still using the devices the Tinkerer made for her.

[The Joker]

Ock, is this book worth my money, or should I cancel my subscription to it along with ASM and FNSM (which I haven't read in months)? Sounds like it may still be worth the money...

In my humble opinion it's worth it. A good story to come out of a bad decision. I don't like the unmasking any more than you do.

But, this story was great. Ock's reaction to Peter's unmasking was handled very well. He was major pissed off over several things, as I hoped/expected him to be.

Great read IMO. Not to mention it's great to see Ock again. His appearances in Marvel Knights last year was not worthy of him. This one issue was a much better outing for him.

[Red]

Is he in character, Ock that is? I had fears that they wouldn't handle his reaction right.

[shinlyle]

In my humble opinion it's worth it. A good story to come out of a bad decision. I don't like the unmasking any more than you do.

But, this story was great. Ock's reaction to Peter's unmasking was handled very well. He was major pissed off over several things, as I hoped/expected him to be.

Great read IMO. Not to mention it's great to see Ock again. His appearances in Marvel Knights last year was not worthy of him. This one issue was a much better outing for him.

Well, it looks like this series gets another shot, then.

[Cullen]

Well, it looks like this series gets another shot, then.I might look into this issue, m'self. Doesn't sound that bad.

[The Joker]

Is he in character, Ock that is? I had fears that they wouldn't handle his reaction right.

Very much so.

He rants and raves, and viciously attacks Spidey. And there's a nice flashback to ASM 12, where Ock recalls where he had Spidey unmasked, and how he should have snapped his neck back then.

[Themanofbat]

Yeah... this issue was one of the BEST Spidey tales told in years. :up:

Ock acted very much like how I would have guessed he would have acted, and I absolutely loved the continuity notes with mentions of May and the scenes from ASM #3 & #12. :cool:

:)

[CaptainStacy]

Glad you guys liked it. I thought it was an excellent issue myself!

Heh, i KNEW Roberto was going to do great stuff in this book.

[SpideyInATree]

Read this issue this morning. Definitely a good story, and a great Ock reaction. Kudos to the references to the first Ock stories, especially when he unmasked Peter and just tossed him aside, thinking it was a joke.

And also how he thought he and his Aunt May were always laughing at him. Sacasa did a good job. Crain's work was pretty good in this issue, and I liked the flashback parts, he pretty much about nailed the stuff panel for panel, recapturing the Ditko pencils.

So far, so good with the unmasking in my eyes. Everything has been handled well and the continuity was there. Ock was actually still lifting weights when he found out, which shows that at least THEY'RE TRYING to have a tighter continuity. Hopefully, they can keep this up and not sputter out much like things seem to do lately. :O

But great issue, and a very nice story. The character of Jordan was also a nice touch, paralleling Peter in a way. :up:

[Rambo, John J]

As Doc Ock said, it was (IMO) a great story to come out of a bad decision. Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa shows again that he gets the character. He's clearly a fan writing for the fans, as opposed to making a name for himself via a big 'earth shattering' story. Just his bad luck that he's writing at a time when so many old school fans who would really appreciate his writing are ditching the titles in droves.