Gen13 Appreciation/Discussion Thread

[NixNightingale]

My boyfriend is really into Gen 13 comics. He has the whole series, except for a handful of the different issues of #1. Our 1 year anniversary is coming up and I want to find these for him as a surprise. I tried nonchalantly asking rndom facts about the issues, and I could only get a limited amount of information without making him suspicious. I believe he said there were about 15 different covers for this issue.(?) Could anyone give me the names of the covers so I know I'm not getting the wrong ones... or so I know that people on Ebay aren't pulling my chain? Any info you can give would be a tremendous help. Characteristics of the covers and/or pictures would be great as well...

Thx,
~Nix
:)

[Elijya]

your best source for minutia like this is usually www.milehighcomics.com

in fact, they have an entire section, dedicated to the varient covers of #1 (I'm, fairly certain it's #1 of the first ongoing series and not the original miniseries)

btw, don't trust MHC prices for comics they don't have instock, there're almost always inflated, which is why they're always on "sale" when they are instock (the "sale" price is usually close to what you would expect to pay at a comic store or on ebay). But still, Mile High is probably your best place to find these specific issues

they also have seperate listings for "signed" versions of comics. Ignore these, you can just as easily meet the creators at conventions and have them sign it as payhowever many extra dollars for their signed versions (plus, it's much cooler to actually meet the people)

ok, so, according to http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=34686623206&snumber=1 we have...

there is a 3D cover they don't have a pic of, but they say they have in-stock

there's cover 1A, called "Charge" which they have in stock. I think this is thje most common one
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.A.CHARGE.gif

this is cover 1B, which they call "Thumb Up". They have a normal and a signed instock
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.B.THUMB.UP.gif

there is a cover C which they do not have a picture of but say they have in stock. IT's called "Lil Gen" so I assume it's probably kid versions of the group

this is the chrome cover.
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.CHROM-CAMP.gif
the chrome cover was avilable as signed by one of 4 artists: Jim Lee, J. Scott Campbell, Brandon Choi, or Alex Garner. These covers were not available unsigned. MHC has none os these instock, but list a NM value of $120 for all but the Jim Lee signed on. The Jim Lee signed one they have valued at $146

[Elijya]

this is cover 1D with title BARB (likely for barbarian) they don't have any instock, but list the value as $20
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.D.BARB.GEN.gif

they list a 1E cover, but don't have a picture of it. It's title is SPD GRUN and they have it in stock. You can email them to ask what the cover looks like if you'd like to compare it to the ones you know your boyfriend has


this is cover 1F, which they have in stock
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.F.GEN.MADS.gif

this is cover 1G, which they don't have in stock
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.G.LIN.GEN.gif

cover 1H, none in stock
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.H.GEN.JACK.gif

cover 1 I. instock
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.I.THAT.GEN.gif

[Elijya]

cover 1 J, called DOLL. in stock
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.J.ALL.DOLL.gif

cover 1 K, called VERT. instock
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.K.VERT.GEN.gif

cover 1 L, instoick, but not in nearmint condition
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.L.PCFC.GEN.gif

This is the sketch cover, as you can see, it's mostly blank. This was likely given out at a convention or appearence of one of the creators with the intention that the creators would either isgn their names, or draw something for the person who brought it up to them. There are different values for if it is untouched, signed, or has a sketch on it. Currently, there are none in stock. This may be the hardest one to find
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.M.DOIT.GEN.gif]


and, that should be them all! hope that helps

[Anubis]

Jesus Christ thats a lot of f**king covers.

[Elijya]

yeah, whenever you wanna give marvel or DC **** for alternative covers, jsut come back here and you'll shut your mouth

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but it's not really a fair comparison since Image represented everything that was wrong with comics in the '90s for a long time...

[Elijya]

that's true and it's not. For one thing, Image more firmly established the concept of creators with contol over their creations, and were the first company to take a legitimate chunk of market share to compete with the big two, marvel and DC

and then on the other hand, you have artists with no respect for writers, controlling everything, and valuing substance over style. Gen 13 came after the initial flood of the other Image titles, and wasn't as bad as earlier first year Image titles

[SpideyInATree]

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.B.THUMB.UP.gif

I have this one. That is definitely a blast from the past for me...I remember those covers at the comic store I used to go to and deciding which one I wanted.

It wasn't a bad series from what I recall of it. I'm pretty happy that they are going to be putting out a new one with Gail Simone as the writer, I'm looking forward to it. :up:

[Dwarf lord]

I really like Simone, so I'm thinking about getting the new series. What is Gen 13 about?

[Guy Gardner]

This is the sketch cover, as you can see, it's mostly blank. This was likely given out at a convention or appearence of one of the creators with the intention that the creators would either isgn their names, or draw something for the person who brought it up to them.
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/34686623206.1.M.DOIT.GEN.gif This seems like a really cool concept, though I can imagine it was a pain in the ass for whatever artist was at the show.

[Elijya]

I really like Simone, so I'm thinking about getting the new series. What is Gen 13 about?
it's kinda/sort of similar to X-Statix in tone and theme, though not quite as tongue in check.


this'll tell you more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen13

[NixNightingale]

Thanks for your help guys... especially Elijya. I really appreciate it!
<3

[aaasss1]

Ok, I have all the image gen 13 comics up to about 30 or so I believe and the mini series comics released around the same time. Now what I want to know is what came after the image comics, when did wildstorm start making them, what number are they even up too now?

I would really like to catch up on the series, BTW I have NO wildstorm Gen 13's. If anyone has any insight I would appreciate it.

Thanks

[KingOfDreams]

All I know is that Wildstorm cancelled the book a few years ago.

[Anubis]

And now they're bringing it back written by Gail Simone later this year.

[1987olds442]

These are the issues under the DC/Wildstorm not including mini/one shots

GEN 13 (1999-2001)
37-77

GEN 13 (2002-2003)
0-16

[KingOfDreams]

And now they're bringing it back written by Gail Simone later this year.

Yeah, that's right. I'm looking forward to it. Now if only we could get Cybernary back. I'm not sure how many of you have read both of those minis. One was under Image and one under Wildstorm. I only read the Image one but it seemed to me like the character could definitely carry an ongoing series.

[Anubis]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/other%20stuff/Chiodo.jpg

[Silver Sable]

Who's that?

[Anubis]

Cybernary

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC%20II/20651375186.gif

[aaasss1]

Wow, great answers. Hey 1987olds442, where did you get that info? Is the 0-16 have a subtitle or just gen 13? Anyone know a good place to find these wildstorm issues?

BTW, im glad to hear they are bringing gen 13 back what else has gail simone written?

[Anubis]

Villians United, Deadpool, Agent X, Birds of Prey, and currently shes doing a six issue run on JLA Classified. And of course, other stuff.

[1987olds442]

Wow, great answers. Hey 1987olds442, where did you get that info? Is the 0-16 have a subtitle or just gen 13? Anyone know a good place to find these wildstorm issues?

BTW, im glad to hear they are bringing gen 13 back what else has gail simone written?
I use http://www.comicspriceguide.com/ to keep track of my comics, and I just looked up the DC/Wildstorm issues there :up:

The issues 0-16 are just listed as Gen 13 vol. 3

I just noticed that there was a Gen 13 Fantastic Four crossover in 2001

GEN 13: FANTASTIC FOUR (2001)

http://www.comicspriceguide.com/images/covers/4256/1.gif

[Silver Sable]

And there was a Spidey one too

[Bullseye]

Didn't Adam Hughes draw the Gen 13 series?

[1987olds442]

Gary Frank drew several issues in vol. 2

[1987olds442]

SUPERMAN/GEN 13 (2000)
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/images/covers/1002/1A.jpg

Gen 13/generation X (1997)
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/images/covers/5135/1.gif

SPIDER-MAN/GEN 13 (1996)
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/images/covers/10038/1.gif

[TheCorpulent1]

Didn't Adam Hughes draw the Gen 13 series?
I'm pretty sure Hughes only drew covers and maybe some interiors here and there. J. Scott Campbell was the original penciler/creator, as far as I know.

[Elijya]

Now what I want to know is what came after the image comics, when did wildstorm start making them,
Wildstorm was always making them. When Image was founded, each of the seven founders had their own little "universe" that they owned and controlled, but that could crossover with all the other universes. Wildstorm was Jim Lee's wing of Image. Eventually, he decided to remove Wildstorm from image and sell it to DC

and since it is a DC title, moving....

[SpideyInATree]

When does the new Gen 13 series start? :confused:

I thought I remember Wizard saying Jan or Feb.

I'm really looking forward to this reboot and Gail Simone writing it and I have NO IDEA when it's coming out. :eek:

[XwolverineX]

Wildstorm was always making them. When Image was founded, each of the seven founders had their own little "universe" that they owned and controlled, but that could crossover with all the other universes. Wildstorm was Jim Lee's wing of Image. Eventually, he decided to remove Wildstorm from image and sell it to DC

and since it is a DC title, moving....



Wow really? I never knew that, so there was Top Cow, Image, Wildstorm.. And what else?

[Heretic]

Oh come on! CYBERNARY?!
Cant we all just as one say "DONT FORCEFEED US!" The 80's nostalgia thing was great, and it was natural...but its kind of over now...so the companies are attempting to convince us on a 90's nostaligia boom...it isnt gonna happen..most of these series will tank...don't be stupid people.

[SpideyInATree]

Oh come on! CYBERNARY?!
Cant we all just as one say "DONT FORCEFEED US!" The 80's nostalgia thing was great, and it was natural...but its kind of over now...so the companies are attempting to convince us on a 90's nostaligia boom...it isnt gonna happen..most of these series will tank...don't be stupid people.

Yes, people are stupid for enjoying something that you don't. Because you must be some kind of comic book God or genius. :eek:

[Elijya]

Wow really? I never knew that, so there was Top Cow, Image, Wildstorm.. And what else?
with the original seven founders, it went like this:

Extreme Studios, owned by Rob Liefeld
Highbrow Entertainment, owned by Eric Larsen
ShadowLine, owned by Jim Valentino
Todd McFarlane Productions, owned by Todd McFarlane
Top Cow Productions, owned by Marc Silvestri
Wildstorm Productions, owned by Jim Lee

Whilce Portico opted not to become a partner and did not own his own studio. He (Eventually) put out his book Wetworks through Wildstorm

Rob Liefeld was kicked out of Image not long after it's founding and his studio went with him (eventually collapsed, and Liefeld started up several different companies under several different names over the following years, taking whatever characters he'd created with him each time)

Jim Lee, again, split off and sold Wildstorm to DC

Top Cow briefly split off in 1996 but returned


more details here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_comics

[Heretic]

Im no genious..trust me...and its nothing personal against Gen 13 or Cybernary...but Jim lee announced the 90's comics craze was about to begin...the 80's craze was never announced, it just happpened...but before a single book is shipped we have Cyberforce, and a plethora of other books that died a quick death once people realized that they sucked.
I mean seriously, how many issues of WildC.A.T.s (series 1) shipped before the book was no longer a hit? this isn't GI Joe or transformers, its freakin Wetworks! And I for one am not going to be TOLD that I am craving a 90's comic resurgence.

[SpideyInATree]

Im no genious..trust me...and its nothing personal against Gen 13 or Cybernary...but Jim lee announced the 90's comics craze was about to begin...the 80's craze was never announced, it just happpened...but before a single book is shipped we have Cyberforce, and a plethora of other books that died a quick death once people realized that they sucked.
I mean seriously, how many issues of WildC.A.T.s (series 1) shipped before the book was no longer a hit? this isn't GI Joe or transformers, its freakin Wetworks! And I for one am not going to be TOLD that I am craving a 90's comic resurgence.

Ok. :confused:

Good for you. Do you want a cookie or a medal or something?

I'm sorry but people like what they want to like. And if they want to like something that was part of "The 90's craze" then they are perfectly allowed to do that. Doesn't make them stupid or dumb or idiots. Means they like it.

[Heretic]

If they liked it then why did all of those books die so quickly once we all found out that it was just pretty art with no story? NONE of the books that are coming back had any real longterm impact at all...and when i say long term I mean over a years worth of fame.
The vast majority of Image books were GARBAGE. And it really didnt take the world too long to see that and stop buuying the books...
last year there was no call for a Wetworks or Cybernary or Gen 13 or Wildcats or Cyberforce or any of that...now all at once, every book from that era is being announced...
Our memories have faded regarding the piss-poor quality of these books. And we arebeing suckered into wanting to buy them again.

[KingOfDreams]

Oh come on! CYBERNARY?!

I thought it was cool in a William Gibson sort of way.

[SpideyInATree]

If they liked it then why did all of those books die so quickly once we all found out that it was just pretty art with no story? NONE of the books that are coming back had any real longterm impact at all...and when i say long term I mean over a years worth of fame.
The vast majority of Image books were GARBAGE. And it really didnt take the world too long to see that and stop buuying the books...
last year there was no call for a Wetworks or Cybernary or Gen 13 or Wildcats or Cyberforce or any of that...now all at once, every book from that era is being announced...
Our memories have faded regarding the piss-poor quality of these books. And we arebeing suckered into wanting to buy them again.

Ok. I don't think you really get it.

It's 2006. It's not the 90's. These books are getting another chance because the creators and/or company want to get the characters back out there for the fans of the characters.

Ok, the books got cancelled. Doesn't mean that NOBODY WAS READING THEM AT ALL!!!!! :eek:

Spider-Girl is getting cancelled over at Marvel and it's got a small rabid fanbase. Just because something isn't selling 200,000 copies doesn't mean that its "crap".

PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE GONE FOREVER!!!! :eek: THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD THAN JUST YOU!!!!

Nobody is holding a gun to your head telling you that you need to pick these books up. Everybody has a choice in the matter. If you don't like that these books are coming back....DON'T READ THEM!!!! It's not that difficult.

[Elijya]

I never read any of it, but appearently Wildcats did have some good stories in it's later years. And Gen13 was popular for a LONG time, at least 3-5 years. IT also wasn't a launch book, though, it came some years later

The only notable Image books within it's first few years were Mike Grell's Shaman's Tears and Sam Keith's Maxx

[Elijya]

Im no genious
hehe...

[Heretic]

what is wrong with you people? What a bunch of snobs...I think im the only person here who doesnt take himself too seriously.

Do the characters deserve a second chance? Sure...why the hell not...but they are all coming at once, in a multi-company promotional blitz designed to convince us that THE 90'S ARE BACK BABY!!!!! I just recognize that this is all more of a desire to grab some of those Transformers dollars than any real desire to bring back beloved characters...

[SpideyInATree]

what is wrong with you people? What a bunch of snobs...I think im the only person here who doesnt take himself too seriously.

Do the characters deserve a second chance? Sure...why the hell not...but they are all coming at once, in a multi-company promotional blitz designed to convince us that THE 90'S ARE BACK BABY!!!!! I just recognize that this is all more of a desire to grab some of those Transformers dollars than any real desire to bring back beloved characters...

There isn't anything wrong with me. And what would make me a snob?!

So what if the titles are coming at once? And who cares if it means, The 90's are Back, Baby! The only person I see saying that IS YOU!

I'm saying these books are coming back because they have a fanbase. Whether you don't think so or not...they do...or they wouldn't be coming back. And I think you're just going to have to live with the fact that they ARE returning.

I don't see what's so snobby about what I'm saying. You just don't seem to really understand the fact that people enjoy different things than you do.

[Elijya]

what is wrong with you people? What a bunch of snobs
I'm gonna ask you know to tone it down and respect other people's opinions. No one's insulted you, and no one's insulted your opinion, we're just requesting that you not

hell, I even agree with you that I don't think much of early 90s Image stuff, but I'm fully sympathetic that maybe there are some people who did, and they really would like to see some of those characters revived. This will be good news to them. But meanwhile, it doesn't affect me, or you, in the least, so there's no reason to get upset about it

[TheCorpulent1]

I never read any of it, but appearently Wildcats did have some good stories in it's later years.
Wildcats vol. 1 had some good stories from Alan Moore. Wildcats vol. 2 had some great stories, especially "Serial Boxes." Wildcats Version 3.0 was a great concept and had a pretty steady stream of good stories. "Serial Boxes" is probably the best Wildcats story, in my opinion.

[Elijya]

but they are all coming at once, in a multi-company promotional blitz designed to convince us that THE 90'S ARE BACK BABY!!!!!
they're not trying that hard to convince us, I've barely heard that these were coming back

[Heretic]

then you didnt read the article where Jim Lee announced months ago that the 90's nostalgia boom was coming...

Im not trying to step on toes...maybe Im just used to message boards with attitude...my bad...

But yeah, Jim Lee announced that we would all crave a return of 90's books, every company then jumped on his word...and together they are marketing the trend...its a false trend...thats my only point...buy the books if you want...but understand that if people really wanted any of these books then they would have been slowly coming back over the years instead of being preceded by a press release informing us of what we want...

[TheCorpulent1]

Morrison seemed to imply that the revamped Wildstorm books were aiming for an equal combination of the art-dominated mentality of the '90s and the writing-dominated mentality of current comics.

[XwolverineX]

with the original seven founders, it went like this:

Extreme Studios, owned by Rob Liefeld
Highbrow Entertainment, owned by Eric Larsen
ShadowLine, owned by Jim Valentino
Todd McFarlane Productions, owned by Todd McFarlane
Top Cow Productions, owned by Marc Silvestri
Wildstorm Productions, owned by Jim Lee

Whilce Portico opted not to become a partner and did not own his own studio. He (Eventually) put out his book Wetworks through Wildstorm

Rob Liefeld was kicked out of Image not long after it's founding and his studio went with him (eventually collapsed, and Liefeld started up several different companies under several different names over the following years, taking whatever characters he'd created with him each time)

Jim Lee, again, split off and sold Wildstorm to DC

Top Cow briefly split off in 1996 but returned


more details here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_comics



Oh, I C, thanks man.

[Elijya]

Im not trying to step on toes...maybe Im just used to message boards with attitude...my bad
no problem, we're nicer around here :)

and again, I agree with you -these relaunches PROBABLY WILL FAIL. But they're not gonna know until they try, will they? Maybe there is a market for them, and they're just trying it out. And even if they do only last a short time, I'm sure fans who've missed the characters will enjoy seeing them again, if just briefly.

Marvel does a similar forumla every couple of years, it's called "let's throw alot of **** against a wall and see what sticks". Back in 1997 we got a new wave of a whole bunch of new Number ones: a new Marvel-Team Up, a new Alpha Flight, Kazar, and a few others. Most of them lasted about a year, and were not very good. But you know what we got out of that? Thunderbolts and Deadpool

Next year, Marvel Knights wave one: we got a crappy Punisher book, but we got the Daredevil relaunch, Christopher Priest's Black Panther, and the Inhumans maxiseries, all great books.

next year, 1999, another wave of new books: we got the crappy Marvel Knights Team Book, but we got the Kick Ass Punisher by Ennis and Dillon, along with PAD's Captain Marvel

2003, marvel tries another whole bunch of new number ones. We get an inferior Inhumans, Human Torch, and Namo series, Sentinel and Mystique, which were both "ok"... and an awesome book like Runaways

[TheCorpulent1]

no problem, we're nicer around here :)
We're really not. :p
and again, I agree with you -these relaunches PROBABLY WILL FAIL.
That seems a bit premature. Jim Lee's work tends to sell pretty well and Grant Morrison is writing Wildcats and The Authority. Seems like a good recipe for success to me.

[Heretic]

Youre right, with a slew of garbage there usually is some good (like out of all the Image books we had The Maxx, and Savage Dragon before it jumped the shark).

So, since there is no REAL demand its hard to say which will survive...Morrison will be doing good stuff on Wildcats so that has the best shot...and unlike the rest Gen 13 actually was a legitimate hit the first time around...the rest are simply riding the coattails of what they hope will be a trend and will likely be the Battle Of the Planets to Wildcats Gi Joe...

[TheCorpulent1]

Wildcats seemed like more of a hit than Gen13 to me under Image. It had a cartoon and everything.

[Heretic]

Savage Dragon had a cartoon as well...speaking of books put out by Malibu...Ultraforce had a cartoon...

Wildcats had tremendous initial success, as did all of the first wave of the Image books...but after issue 2 came out about 5 months after originally sceduled, and the writing was crap it didnt take long to fall...Gen 13 stuck around, though I had given up on Image by then and have only read the Gen 13 issues with Bone and Madman and the other indy characters in it...so I cant even give an opinion on quality.

[Anubis]

I really fail to see your point in all this. Just because a book "Sucked" when it first came out doesn't mean it can't be made better with a good writer/art team. Hell, I'd love to see what could be done with stuff like Ultraforce with someone like Grant Morrison reinventing the characters. I hope they bring back all the stuff from the 90's and revamp them with a better story with more focus on writting than the pretty pictures that they had years ago. That seems to be the main difference between then and now. Putting some substance behind all the flash.

[Heretic]

Id love to see an Ultraverse book too! And I guess Ultraforce would be the way to go...
My point is that when the characters debuted they had horrible writing...other than pretty pictures there was nothing of depth or substance to the books...so why should we care about them at all?
I want to see good characters! I do not care about bad characters being made good for the first time. That about sums it up.

[Anubis]

Because there are no bad characters, just bad writers.

[Elijya]

I really fail to see your point in all this. Just because a book "Sucked" when it first came out doesn't mean it can't be made better with a good writer/art team. Hell, I'd love to see what could be done with stuff like Ultraforce with someone like Grant Morrison reinventing the characters. I hope they bring back all the stuff from the 90's and revamp them with a better story with more focus on writting than the pretty pictures that they had years ago. That seems to be the main difference between then and now. Putting some substance behind all the flash.
It's not ultraforce, but it looks like we'll be seeing this same kind of thing since Marvel decided to give the New Universe to Warren Ellis

[Heretic]

yeah...and Im supposed to be excited about characters that have never had good writing behind them...

Dont get me wrong, you put Kurt Busiek on Youngblood and I'll help unload the truck to get a copy of it!

But I would look at them as brand new characters...Im not going to go OH MY ITS THE RETURN OF YOUNGBLOOD!!!!

Were being hyped up on the return of characters who have been crap their entire existence...screw your pretty pictures and the "history" behind them. If someone were to say, "hey, Grant and Jim are doing a book and Im excited to see it" Then i can accept that...but the concept of OOH GRIFTER IS BACK! just doesnt make sense to me.

[Anubis]

Don't they still have problems with the creators still owning the rights to the characters? Like they had with Leifeld and Cable/Deadpool/X-Force?

[Elijya]

yeah...and Im supposed to be excited about characters that have never had good writing behind them...

Dont get me wrong, you put Kurt Busiek on Youngblood and I'll help unload the truck to get a copy of it!

But I would look at them as brand new characters...Im not going to go OH MY ITS THE RETURN OF YOUNGBLOOD!!!!

Were being hyped up on the return of characters who have been crap their entire existence...screw your pretty pictures and the "history" behind them. If someone were to say, "hey, Grant and Jim are doing a book and Im excited to see it" Then i can accept that...but the concept of OOH GRIFTER IS BACK! just doesnt make sense to me.
Like we said, Wildcats actually did have some great storytelling with them after the initial bad launch. So did Stormwatch, when Warren Ellis took over, and eventually turned them into The Authority. Supreme may have been a Rob Liefeld character, but ****ing Alan Moore wrote him for awhile

these characters don't all have the totally pathetic pasts you may think they do

and again, heretic, we're all just playing devil's advocate here. I have no interest in the least of picking any of these up, and I don't think anyone else here does either

[Heretic]

Stormwatch ended up being a good book! thats a good example of a company saying "you know, maybe we should make the book GOOD and see if people buy that!" Despite Alan Moore I never thought Supreme was any good. I read every issue he wrote (actually the TPB) and did not enjoy it at all.

[Elijya]

Don't they still have problems with the creators still owning the rights to the characters? Like they had with Leifeld and Cable/Deadpool/X-Force?
pretty sure the necessary copyright holders are all involved here


Rob never owned the rights to those characters. It was some arcane back-end situation. It basicly went "If during the run of a particular title, the title EVER sold more than X number of copies, you must pay the creator of that title X amount for the remainder of that titles run" or some such. It was only a small fee, but by simply switching the titles of those books, it nulled the contract

[Elijya]

Stormwatch ended up being a good book! thats a good example of a company saying "you know, maybe we should make the book GOOD and see if people buy that!"
and from what I understand, pretty much the same thing happened with Wildcats after awhile
Despite Alan Moore I never thought Supreme was any good. I read every issue he wrote (actually the TPB) and did not enjoy it at all.
never read em myself, but I'd heard not-so-bad things

[Anubis]

yeah...and Im supposed to be excited about characters that have never had good writing behind them...

Dont get me wrong, you put Kurt Busiek on Youngblood and I'll help unload the truck to get a copy of it!

But I would look at them as brand new characters...Im not going to go OH MY ITS THE RETURN OF YOUNGBLOOD!!!!

Like Spidey in a tree said, thats your opinion. I'm sure there are a few that would say that. Does the fact that such people exsist somehow offend you? If so then, get a f**kin life.

Were being hyped up on the return of characters who have been crap their entire existence...screw your pretty pictures and the "history" behind them. If someone were to say, "hey, Grant and Jim are doing a book and Im excited to see it" Then i can accept that...but the concept of OOH GRIFTER IS BACK! just doesnt make sense to me.

First of all, Wildcats has been very good in all its incarnations scince Wildcats 2.0. 3.0 was a fantastic series, but Joe Casy wasn't a big enough name to push the series I guess. Either that or there really are alot of people that are too short sighted to see that things can change. The Wildcats are currently featured in two very good mini series, and both of which have presented the team in a refreashing light. And lets not forget Majestic's current series where many members of the Wildcats have already appeared and have been extreemly well written. The Wildcats have become far more that the original style over substance mess they may have been in the early 90's.


Secondly, I really don't see where all this "Hype" is that you speak of. I haven't read much of anything except one interveiw Morrison and Lee did and thats about it. Obviously we have different definitions of the word "Hype". Either that or your obvious dislike of the characters is somehow making any thing said about the upcoming series seem like a bulls**t stunt. And that would mean it's really your problem.


For me, characters aren't all that important. You give me a good creative team and a decent discription of whats it going to be about and I'll spend my cash on it. It may seem weird to the character driven masses, but it's worked for me. I've read a ton of great stuff because I didn't only read stuff with I don't know, Spider-man or Wolverine in it. Because I took a chance on seeing improvement were others only see whats come before.

[Anubis]

pretty sure the necessary copyright holders are all involved here


Rob never owned the rights to those characters. It was some arcane back-end situation. It basicly went "If during the run of a particular title, the title EVER sold more than X number of copies, you must pay the creator of that title X amount for the remainder of that titles run" or some such. It was only a small fee, but by simply switching the titles of those books, it nulled the contract

Well, I hope they do use em. I'd love to see what a decent writer could do with some of those characters. Prime in particular.

[Heretic]

First of all, Wildcats has been very good in all its incarnations scince Wildcats 2.0. 3.0 was a fantastic series, but Joe Casy wasn't a big enough name to push the series I guess. Either that or there really are alot of people that are too short sighted to see that things can change. The Wildcats are currently featured in two very good mini series, and both of which have presented the team in a refreashing light. And lets not forget Majestic's current series where many members of the Wildcats have already appeared and have been extreemly well written. The Wildcats have become far more that the original style over substance mess they may have been in the early 90's.

Secondly, I really don't see where all this "Hype" is that you speak of. I haven't read much of anything except one interveiw Morrison and Lee did and thats about it. Obviously we have different definitions of the word "Hype". Either that or your obvious dislike of the characters is somehow making any thing said about the upcoming series seem like a bulls**t stunt. And that would mean it's really your problem.

For me, characters aren't all that important. You give me a good creative team and a decent discription of whats it going to be about and I'll spend my cash on it. It may seem weird to the character driven masses, but it's worked for me. I've read a ton of great stuff because I didn't only read stuff with I don't know, Spider-man or Wolverine in it. Because I took a chance on seeing improvement were others only see whats come before.

BOY! I talk smack about some crappy fictional characters and you get personally offended! Whew, maybe I AM at an overly sensitive board...if so, go buy some diapers and cry.

For the record, I do not currently buy any Spider-man titles and I avoid Wolverine like the plague. Though I do appreciate your attempt to come off as indy when referring to Wildcats...
My favorite books of all time are Madman, Stray Bullets, Optic Nerve, Strangers In Paradise and Bone, I understand the concept of not uying something just because its a big title.

And youre right, as someone who buys comics for the story, it is difficult for me to imagine buying a book with empty characters and lack of an intriguing story. Perhaps theres been some good Wildcats stories...okay...thats not really my point. You get the right writer and they make a decent story about anyone.

What do you say we just agree to disaggree...you enjoy your pretty books, and I'll enjoy Astro City or something...

[Elijya]

Secondly, I really don't see where all this "Hype" is that you speak of. I haven't read much of anything except one interveiw Morrison and Lee did and thats about it. Obviously we have different definitions of the word "Hype". Either that or your obvious dislike of the characters is somehow making any thing said about the upcoming series seem like a bulls**t stunt. And that would mean it's really your problem.

I agree, the "hype" has been minimal


Like Spidey in a tree said, thats your opinion. I'm sure there are a few that would say that. Does the fact that such people exsist somehow offend you? If so then, get a f**kin life.
I don't see this inhis original post, did he edit this out Anubis?

[Elijya]

BOY! I talk smack about some crappy fictional characters and you get personally offended! Whew, maybe I AM at an overly sensitive board...if so, go buy some diapers and cry.

what do you say I give you an official warning to calm down and not insult people when they're being civil with you, or else you get probation?

You seem like an ok chap, Heretic, but please calm down. No one is insulting you.

[Heretic]

No, the poster said that TO ME...

[Heretic]

let me get this straight..someone suggests I slit my wrists...I respond with go buy diapers and cry and IM WRONG???

[Elijya]

OIC

Anubis, cut it out. Keep it civil. We're all grown ups here

[Elijya]

let me get this straight..someone suggests I slit my wrists
where did he say that?

forget it, it doesn't matter. Insults end now. Next person to throw one out gets a warning

[Heretic]

Can I still insult Rob Liefeld? Hes a crappy artist AND he stole my girlfriend! He deserves it!!






Okay, i admit it, Ive never had a girlfriend

[Silver Sable]

Lol!

[Elijya]

Can I still insult Rob Liefeld? Hes a crappy artist AND he stole my girlfriend! He deserves it!!

oh, we love Liefeld bashing around here. We have a whole thread dedicated to it. Come join us: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133059

[Heretic]

GOOD! Im going to accuse Liefeld of the same stuff Ive been ranting about in this thread! Plus I'll figure out a way to work in herpes!


ps: Annoyance is my superpower!

[Anubis]

I don't see what you guys are talking about. I've been civil. I didn't insult anybody either. But fine, agree to disagree. (I hate saying that, it's such an empty phrase, like, I'm sorry and your welcome.)

[Heretic]

your welcome

[Anubis]

And lets not forget I love you and she meant nothing to me.

[Heretic]

Anubis, you are the only star in my sky

[Anubis]

Heritic, you are the wind beneath my wings.

[Heretic]

Youre the best sex Ive ever had

[Anubis]

No, I don't think those pants make your ass look big.

[XwolverineX]

Now that's just gross. And what Hype are you talkin' 'bout?

And what is so wrong with bringin' theese characters back? A good writer can make any character good, and a bad one can make any characters bad, even Batman. So all theese characters aren't "bad" their writers were. So why does it bother you so much that they're comin' back? Example: Catman. A CRAP character I had barely ever heard of, became....EXCELLENT!! Why? 'Cause he had a good writer backin' him up in Gail Simone. This same thing can happen with Gen13, Wildcats and other characters.

[Heretic]

Your penis? HUGE!

[Anubis]

It's your baby.

[XwolverineX]

O.K, bannem both Eliyja.

[Anubis]

heh, silly noob.

[XwolverineX]

heh, silly noob.


:eek: I am hurt!

[Anubis]

I'm sorry.

See what I mean? Absolutely meaningless phrase. I'm not sorry.

[XwolverineX]

I'm sorry.

See what I mean? Absolutely meaningless phrase. I'm not sorry.




You should be :mad:

[SpideyInATree]

Im not trying to step on toes...maybe Im just used to message boards with attitude...my bad...

There is nothing wrong with an attitude. But when you're trying to make people feel inferior or wrong for enjoying something that you don't. Well, that's a completely different story and it really makes you look like a troll.

Though the Spider-Man comics forums are overrun by people who can't wrap their minds around the fact that people MAY enjoy something they don't. So, I put up with this type of thing all the time. The difference between them and you is that...well, at least you admit when you've gone too far. Those guys will steal your babies in the night if you don't agree with them that The Other wasn't good. :eek:

[TheCorpulent1]

But "The Other" wasn't good. :confused:

[XwolverineX]

But "The Other" wasn't good. :confused:


Exaclty..:down

[SpideyInATree]

But "The Other" wasn't good. :confused:

Well, maybe it wasn't good, BY YOUR STANDARDS. But I liked it. And I'm not alone.

[Heretic]

Well, that's a completely different story and it really makes you look like a troll.


OKAY! THIS HAS TOO FAR!!!!!

Saying Im wrong is one thing, but this guy is VERY CLEARLY comparing me to Troll, and calling me a Rob Liefeld creation is just BEYOND THE PALE!

I demand action against this person for the shame and humiliation he has brought upon me!


and for record...the message board I usually go to is brutal...they let EVERYTHING fly, except posting another persons phone number...I'll try to find a happy ground with bringing The_Funny and being what is considered more appropriate here.

[SpideyInATree]

OKAY! THIS HAS TOO FAR!!!!!

Saying Im wrong is one thing, but this guy is VERY CLEARLY comparing me to Troll, and calling me a Rob Liefeld creation is just BEYOND THE PALE!

I demand action against this person for the shame and humiliation he has brought upon me!


and for record...the message board I usually go to is brutal...they let EVERYTHING fly, except posting another persons phone number...I'll try to find a happy ground with bringing The_Funny and being what is considered more appropriate here.

There is really something wrong with you. :confused:

If you love your brutal message board of doom, go back there and be a trolling moron, I really don't care.

I was just trying to point out to you that you can express the things you want to without making other people feel like their as small as Ant-Man or something.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, maybe it wasn't good, BY YOUR STANDARDS. But I liked it. And I'm not alone.
It was a joke. Geez, lighten up. Heretic's right, you Hypesters are totally oversensitive. ;)

[Heretic]

I guarantee you are the only human being on earth that didnt get that my post was a joke...

[Elijya]

go back there and be a trolling moron, I really don't care.
spidey, he's joking now. Drop it.

[Elijya]

O.K, bannem both Eliyja.
no way, that **** was funny

[Heretic]

Besides, this Elijya dude is smart enough to know that without my trolling, horrible typing skills and prison sex jokes, this board just wouldnt be the same.

[Elijya]

yes it would. Don't think for a moment you're any sort of exception. I'm just being reasonable ;) :)

come join us in here
http://superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120377

[SpideyInATree]

spidey, he's joking now. Drop it.

Well, it's rather difficult to tell.

[Heretic]

Elijya, be reasonable...where else will you find a poster whos "X" section in his comic box ONLY includes Xenozoic Tales and Dark Horse's X?

Where else will you find a poster who is passionately praying for the return of Haywire?

Where else will you find a poster whos is convinced that if he had to, Mr. Spook from Beanworld could kick Wolverines butt?

Lets face it pal, Im not just here for my sex appeal!

[XwolverineX]

Well, maybe it wasn't good, BY YOUR STANDARDS. But I liked it. And I'm not alone.


Actually, I think ya might just be.. :p

[Silver Sable]

In your opinion guys, should there be a crossover between Gen13 and X-Men?

[Anubis]

Where else will you find a poster who is passionately praying for the return of Haywire?



And here I thought I was the only one.

[1987olds442]

In your opinion guys, should there be a crossover between Gen13 and X-Men?They kind of already did...

They had a crossover with Generation X.

GENERATION X/GEN 13 (1998)
http://www.comicspriceguide.com/images/covers/2778/1.gif

[Spectre722]

hey just need some info here.

question one: how exactly did the gen-13ers gain their abilities? i know there was some kind of shady government agency involved.

question two: what are flashsuits? are they kinda like unstable molecules?

[Elijya]

gen13's owned by DC

this'll give you their origin, dunno if whatever a flashsuit is is listed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen_13

[GyLocke]

I like my girls in fleshsuits.

[fifthfiend]

^I think someone watched Silence of the Lambs one time too many.

[Doc Destruction]

It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose again!

[GyLocke]

Oh, I read it wrong. A Flashsuit can be found in the ring of Wally West.

And yeah. I would explain that with unstable molecules. It still wouldn't make sense though.

[fifthfiend]

Of course it doesn't make sense, it's SCIENCE!

[Arkady Rossovich]

Without a doubt,one of my favorite comic`s in the 90`s.Was Gen13,i have nearly every issue of it.But i stopped reading it around Issue 25,when the gang got back from space.

What happened to it now?Is it still around?What happened to Fairchild,Rainmaker,Grunge,Burnout and Freefall?

[Harlekin]

You have nearly every issue but you stopped at 25? Dude, that isn't even half of that series' run.

[hulkamania85]

I heard it was supposed to come back pretty soon. I only have the first trade, though.

[TheCorpulent1]

This should be in the DC forum, since Gen13 is a Wildstorm title.

Anyway, I never read much Gen13, though I became familiar with a few characters through hearsay. Question: did Gen13 change a lot over its run(s)? That seems to be a common thing for Wildstorm titles. StormWatch had spin-offs and evolved into the Authority, WildCATS evolved into a corporate drama with superheroics as a secondary concern at best, etc. Did Gen13 get major changes to its core concepts and characters too?

[Silver Sable]

I'm starting to get into the comic.Burnout seems interesting :O

[Mr. Walters]

I heard it was supposed to come back pretty soon. I only have the first trade, though.

It is? That's awesome. Gen 13 was one of my favorites too. It would be nice to see this book come back, but what made Gen 13 stand tall was the artwork of J. Scott Campbell. When other artists took over, it began to suffer. Any cahnce of Campbell doing the art if and when Gen 13 comes back?

[Elijya]

I read it for the first 30 issues or so, but only because it was the "hot" comic at the time (and plus I was a young teenager and the boobies didn't hurt). But really I never enjoyed the stories or the characters, they all seemed pretty insipid to me.

[Tropico]

This should be in the DC forum, since Gen13 is a Wildstorm title.

Anyway, I never read much Gen13, though I became familiar with a few characters through hearsay. Question: did Gen13 change a lot over its run(s)? That seems to be a common thing for Wildstorm titles. StormWatch had spin-offs and evolved into the Authority, WildCATS evolved into a corporate drama with superheroics as a secondary concern at best, etc. Did Gen13 get major changes to its core concepts and characters too?

TYes, there was a point where they changed the whole cast only one of them was from the original team (I can't remember who). I can't remember if they also tried doing the "years later" thing where the original cast was a little older.

Regarding the new Gen13...writer: Gail Simone, artist: Talent Caldwell.

[TheCorpulent1]

I almost want to read it for Simone's dialogue, if nothing else, but Caldwell and my general lack of interest in Gen13 is more than enough to keep me away.

[kiuju2k]

Isn't wildstorm doing a huge revamp of all their titles this september? Or was I just reading the whole captain atom thing incorrectly.

[Tropico]

Isn't wildstorm doing a huge revamp of all their titles this september? Or was I just reading the whole captain atom thing incorrectly.

Yes, they're restarting their universe.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yep. Jim Lee mentioned on the last page of Captain Atom: Armageddon that most of the creators have decided to just take a lot of the existing elements and characters that they liked and revamp them into the "new" stuff, though, so it's not like the new Wildstorm stuff will be totally foreign to Wildstorm fans.

[Cap1970]

Gen 13 got boring very quickly after the first mini-series. I collected it to about #25 or so and stopped - just hoping it would get better. Kinda like Cyberforce, too. Good starts and went down hill really quickly.

[batnkevlar]

Yeah, Gen13 isn't that good... it's awrite...

[Mr. Walters]

That's funny Cap. I thought the mine series was boring. I didn't think the comic got good until after the mine series.

[Mr. Walters]

Gen 13 got boring very quickly after the first mini-series. I collected it to about #25 or so and stopped - just hoping it would get better. Kinda like Cyberforce, too. Good starts and went down hill really quickly.

Weird. I thought the mini series was boring. I didn't think it got good until after the mini series. Funny.

[Web Slinger CK]

Anyone know anything about Gen 13, if so please post it here.

[JackBauer]

isn't it easier to just go to wikipedia?

[Anubis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen_13

[SpideyInATree]

Gen 13 is supposed to get rebooted soon isn't it? Gail Simone and Talent Caldwell are supposed to be the creative team...well, that's what I read a while back.

I hope it comes out soon, I've got some extra slots to fill in my pull list since I've dropped a few titles.

[Anubis]

Supposed to be coming out in September along with the big Wildstorm reboot. All of them should be great. Talent like Grant Morrison, Ennis, Jim Lee. Man, I can't wait.

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, I'm really surprised that they are putting so much great talent into the Wildstorm reboot. Grant Morrison on WildCATS...hmmm...while I was never interested in that book back in the 90's, I might just have to pick it up because Morrison is absolutely insane, and I mean that in a good way.

But I'm mostly looking forward to Gen 13. :up:

[Anubis]

You should go back and check out some of the more recent Wildcats runs. I know for sure 3.0 was freakin sweet!

Morrison is also gonna be on the Authority. So that rocks. And Garth Ennis on a midnighter solo book! I'm so freakin there.

[EdContradictory]

Any word on them finishing collecting Warren's run?

[GL1]

Wow. I can pretty safely say I'm the only one who liked the "new" Gen13 with Ale Garza's four new creations. It had faults, but it was my formal introduction to Gen13 and I loved every second of it. I thought their powers were incredibly diverse and different if not outright creative and enjoyed the mystery of the whole thing... and for once... teenagers looked like teenagers. I missed that book.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Gen13 may be one of the few Wildstorm reboots I'll be ignoring. Simone's disappointed me as often as she's dazzled me lately, and Talent Caldwell is an irredeemable hack trained by that other irredeemable hack Michael Turner. Plus, I never really cared much about Gen13 before anyway.

[SpideyInATree]

Wow, you really don't like Talent Caldwell. I'm looking forward to seeing how well he does considering I really liked his artwork from Specatcular Spider-Man, on that one issue where Spidey was at The Thing's poker game.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I generally can't stand bad artists.