Marvel September 2006 Solicitations.

[Darthphere]

HERE! (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Sept06/solicitations.html)


Full solicitations will be up by Tuesday, in the mean time.

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AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #536
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Pencils & Cover by RON GARNEY
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
“THE WAR AT HOME”
With Civil War in full-throttle mode, Spider-Man follows his conscience... and fast becomes a lightning rod for controversy. Unmasked and venerable, this is Spider-Man as you've NEVER seen him!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

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CIVIL WAR #5 (of 7)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Pencils & Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
Variant Cover by MICHAEL TURNER
Featuring villains, villains, villains! Sides change and chaos reigns as the evildoers of the Marvel Universe make their presence felt in a new and shocking way! But when the underworld gets involved, can the Punisher be far behind?
32 PGS./Cardstock Cover/ Rated T+ ...$2.99
NOTE: There will also be a 1 for 75 Turner sketch variant cover

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CIVIL WAR FILES
Written by ANTHONY FLAMINI, STUART VANDAL, RONALD BYRD, ERIC MOREELS, MICHAEL HOSKIN, CHRIS BIGGS, MARK O’ENGLISH, MIKE FICHERA & MADISON CARTER
The legislation has been passed. The battle lines have been drawn. The opening shots have been fired. Now, as the controversial Super Hero Registration Act continues to divide America’s superhuman community, Tony Stark – head of the President’s Super Hero Task Force – has created the CIVIL WAR FILES, in-depth dossiers analyzing the potential threat posed by the nation’s most prominent superhumans. What does Stark know about Captain America? Who is the new Ant-Man? Can the Commission for Superhuman Activities be trusted? The CIVIL WAR FILES is the U.S. government’s primary source of superhuman intelligence!
48 PGS./NO ADS/ Rated T+ ...$3.99

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CIVIL WAR: FRONT LINE #7 & #8 (of 10)
Written by PAUL JENKINS
Penciled by RAMON BACHS & STEVE LIEBER
Cover by JOHN WATSON
In “Embedded”: Hot on the trail of a revelation that could explode the rift between the pro-registration and anti-registration heroes and forever change the nature of the Registration Act, the Daily Bugle’s Ben Urich and Sally Floyd have the story. Can they bring the power to the people?
In “The Accused”: His powers are gone, he’s been held culpable for the worst super-human disaster in history, and every super-villain in prison is looking to take a piece of Speedball. Will he make it out alive, and with hundreds of deaths on his conscious, does he want to? Also featuring true tales of war time in Civil War “Correspondence!"
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #3 (of 4)
Written by DAVID HINE
Penciled by YANICK PAQUETTE
Cover by JUAN DOE
It’s X-Man vs. X-Man! But who fired the first shot and why? Bishop and the X-Men battle for the 198, but will Cyclops be able to contain the power yearning to burst from his body?
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

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CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #3 (of 4)
Written by ZEB WELLS
Penciled by STEFANO CASELLI
Cover by JIM CHEUNG
The Young Avengers don’t like the Runaways, and the feeling is more than mutual! But when the full fury of Marvel’s Civil War is brought down on them, they must work together or be destroyed!
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99


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CAPTAIN AMERICA #22
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Penciled by MIKE PERKINS
Cover by STEVE EPTING
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
The first of a 3-part Civil War tie-in by Ed Brubaker and Mike Perkins!
While Cap has fallen into the conflict of the Civil War, in a clash with his government and his friends, the people close to him have suffered in their own ways. In Part One of “The Drums of War” we take a look inside S.H.I.E.L.D., and how Cap’s girlfriend Agent 13’s life is torn apart as her divided loyalties are used against her by her superiors. Also, a new villain emerges, and the Red Skull begins to make himself known...
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

[Darthphere]

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WOLVERINE #46
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM
Pencils & Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
“VENDETTA”
Featuring the return of the cult favorite, DAMAGE CONTROL! But have they gone from cleaning up disasters to causing them? And what is their connection to the Stamford disaster? To find out, Wolverine will take no prisoners. Part 5 (of 6)
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$2.99


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FANTASTIC FOUR #541
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Penciled by MIKE MCKONE
Cover by ADI GRANOV
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
Things get worse for Marvel’s First Family. Much worse...
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99


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HEROES FOR HIRE #2
Written by JIMMY PALMIOTTI & JUSTIN GRAY
Pencils & Cover by BILLY TUCCI
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
As Civil War threatens to tear the super hero community apart, the newly formed Heroes for Hire have a confrontation with Iron Man and begin their hunt for the country’s most prominent fugitive--Captain America!
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99


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PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #1
Written by MATT FRACTION
Art & Cover by ARIEL OLIVETTI
Hey there, Marvel Universe. He’s back...with a vengeance. Taking no prisoners. Literally. With Civil War in full throttle mode, Frank Castle is feeling the heat. His safe houses have been raided, his munitions seized, and he’s square in the crosshairs of a Marvel Universe big gun who always gets his man. Until now, this wasn’t Frank’s war. But when Spandex-clad baddies start carrying badges...well, lets’ just say that’s something the Punisher can’t abide. Brought to you by rising star Matt Fraction (THE LAST OF THE INDEPENDENTS), with eye-popping art by superstar artist Ariel Olivetti (LAST AVENGERS STORY).
32 PGS./NO ADS/ Rated T+ ...$2.99

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PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #1 - BLACK & WHITE VARIANT
Written by MATT FRACTION
Art & Cover by ARIEL OLIVETTI
The entire first issue in glorious black & white!
32 PGS./NO ADS/ B&W/ Rated T+ ...$2.99

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MS. MARVEL #7
Written by BRIAN REED
Penciled by ROBERTO DE LA TORRE
Cover by DAVID MACK
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
Ms. Marvel and WONDER MAN team-up to track down a pair of rogue heroes -- one of them is an ex-Avenger! Meanwhile, guest star ARANA not only begins training with Ms. Marvel, but must also reveal her double life to her father!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99


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NEW AVENGERS #24
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Art & Cover by ADI GRANOV
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
New Avengers disassembled continues!!
He has the power of a thousand exploding suns!! He has the power to end the civil war! Who’s side are you on?? More like who’s side is THE SENTRY on?? A choice is made!!! This issue ties New Avengers, House of M, Civil War and Son of M together! Be there for this very important chapter fully painted by the amazing Adi Granov! Guest-starring the Inhumans!!!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

CABLE & DEADPOOL #32
Written by FABIAN NICIEZA
Penciled by STAZ JOHNSON
Cover by AMANDA CONNER
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
The CIVIL WAR really hits home! What happens when CABLE and DEADPOOL find themselves on opposite sides of the fence and both refuse to budge? What else... THEY FIGHT! But it’s not just your usual fun super hero teeth-chipping spittle-snarling battle... it will change the lives of these two characters forever!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

[PhotoJones]

i like humberto ramos a lot, and i've defended his style more than once....but damn....that wolverine is just....wow....that one's not his best.

[DBM]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Civil War has the worst cover design ever.

[Darthphere]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Civil War has the worst cover design ever.


I have to disagree. It gives the books a more sophisticated, novel type of look and really stand out on the comic book stands. It makes the books seem respectable.

[Tropico]

Hmmm, so Ben is definitely on the resistance part.
Punisher joins in because Marvel's "non-corrupt" government is giving badges to villains.COOL!:D:up:
Here's hope against hope that Speedball will make a comeback from that prison thing and doesn't commit suicide.:(

[PhotoJones]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Civil War has the worst cover design ever.

i don't mind it.

[Doc Destruction]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Civil War has the worst cover design ever.

Yeah, I'm not feeling it either. And that Ms. Marvel art is real real horrible.

[Darthphere]

Yeah, I'm not feeling it either. And that Ms. Marvel art is real real horrible.


Its David Mack, his style only really works in certain cases.

[PhotoJones]

two more things:

1. billy tucci is a hack. i cannot stand his art.

2. ariel olivetti's work is stunning. i hope he can handle a monthly.

[Ben Urich]

Civil War designs are ****. Love the David Mack cover for Marvel Girl, though. :up:

EDIT:
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It's the mother****in' STILT-MAN! :D:up:
****in' a, that's awesome.

[Darthphere]

Heres some Punisher:War Journal art.

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[Tropico]

Looks like he's gonna get a crotch full of rocket!:eek:

[Doc Destruction]

Stilt-Man has guns now?

[Darthphere]

Stilt-Man has guns now?


Why not? He needs all the help he can get.

[jaydawg]

I've never cared for the Punisher.... but seeing him put the actual costume back on is.... wow. I like the Civil War design myself, althought I liked it better when it only took up a quarter of the cover. Now its like 40%.

[Dread]

The thing I like about CIVIL WAR at the very least is that its really involving almost all of the Marvel Universe; NOT just the X-Men or the Avengers or so on, but figures who haven't done much in years. I mean, Shroud, Prowler, Wonder Man on MS. MARVEL's CW tie-in? When was the last time THEY did anything major (especially the first two; last I heard of Prowler was during IDENTITY CRISIS in the Spider-titles during the 90's, maybe 7-8 years ago). And I must say Punisher has some justification, as I'd be pissed off at the government "handing villians badges" too. I've brought it up a few times; CW does everything to control and penalize superheroes, but does absolutely nothing towards super-VILLIANS, the reason why heroes need to exist. I mean, look at how tactical and efficient the SHIELD "anti-rogue hero" troopers were in taking down Patriot & the Young Avengers in CW #2; where is this sort of stuff when Rhino's rampaging through wall street? When Ultron invades a state? When Graviton plays "gravity blackmail" or so on? Good lord, if those agents hunted down supervillians half as efficiently as they are gunning for "vigilantes", most superheroes could probably retire. :rolleyes:

Alas, this sort of spoiles the "shocking arrest" planned for CW, as it will probably be Capt. America. To be fair, though, it seemed obvious beforehand, and Millar's written this before in ULTIMATES 2 #9. In CW, it may at least be handled better.

Funny how the NEW AVENGERS only needed 2 years to "disassemble", considering the "old" Avengers hung tough longer, and were fully assembled more than twice.

The F4 issues seem to add fuel to the theories that Reed & Sue are edging towards divorce in Joe Q's fanatical obsession with ridding all superheroes of marriage, except for the marriage of Black Panther & Storm, manufactured out of NOTHINGNESS to try to appeal to black audiences. I wonder if its working, because I'm white and even to ME it seems like pandering. Between Reed & Sue and the current editorial opinion believing it was marrying MJ, and not the Clone Saga or endless attempts to "change and revamp" Spider-Man that "ruined" him, I seriously wonder how happy the marriages of many comics writers are. Because they all HATE them, see them as being more rotten than being mutilated and killed by Black Mask (yes, a Spoiler reference, over in DC). I know marriage tends to go against the "Cambellian Hero" archetype, but for god's sakes, can't a hero's achetype EVOLVE since the damned Roman era!?

The CIVIL WAR covers depicted are misleading because when they actually print, the bars won't be black for most tie-ins, but other colors; baby blue for WOLVERINE and red for SPIDER-MAN and so on, which makes them look worse, actually.

[Darthphere]

The thing I like about CIVIL WAR at the very least is that its really involving almost all of the Marvel Universe; NOT just the X-Men or the Avengers or so on, but figures who haven't done much in years. I mean, Shroud, Prowler, Wonder Man on MS. MARVEL's CW tie-in? When was the last time THEY did anything major (especially the first two; last I heard of Prowler was during IDENTITY CRISIS in the Spider-titles during the 90's, maybe 7-8 years ago). And I must say Punisher has some justification, as I'd be pissed off at the government "handing villians badges" too. I've brought it up a few times; CW does everything to control and penalize superheroes, but does absolutely nothing towards super-VILLIANS, the reason why heroes need to exist. I mean, look at how tactical and efficient the SHIELD "anti-rogue hero" troopers were in taking down Patriot & the Young Avengers in CW #2; where is this sort of stuff when Rhino's rampaging through wall street? When Ultron invades a state? When Graviton plays "gravity blackmail" or so on? Good lord, if those agents hunted down supervillians half as efficiently as they are gunning for "vigilantes", most superheroes could probably retire. :rolleyes:

Alas, this sort of spoiles the "shocking arrest" planned for CW, as it will probably be Capt. America. To be fair, though, it seemed obvious beforehand, and Millar's written this before in ULTIMATES 2 #9. In CW, it may at least be handled better.

Funny how the NEW AVENGERS only needed 2 years to "disassemble", considering the "old" Avengers hung tough longer, and were fully assembled more than twice.

The F4 issues seem to add fuel to the theories that Reed & Sue are edging towards divorce in Joe Q's fanatical obsession with ridding all superheroes of marriage, except for the marriage of Black Panther & Storm, manufactured out of NOTHINGNESS to try to appeal to black audiences. I wonder if its working, because I'm white and even to ME it seems like pandering. Between Reed & Sue and the current editorial opinion believing it was marrying MJ, and not the Clone Saga or endless attempts to "change and revamp" Spider-Man that "ruined" him, I seriously wonder how happy the marriages of many comics writers are. Because they all HATE them, see them as being more rotten than being mutilated and killed by Black Mask (yes, a Spoiler reference, over in DC). I know marriage tends to go against the "Cambellian Hero" archetype, but for god's sakes, can't a hero's achetype EVOLVE since the damned Roman era!?

The CIVIL WAR covers depicted are misleading because when they actually print, the bars won't be black for most tie-ins, but other colors; baby blue for WOLVERINE and red for SPIDER-MAN and so on, which makes them look worse, actually.


Great post as usual. Though I disagree about the last part. I like the silver/grey for Frontline and the Green couldve been toned down for the She-Hulk issue but really it doesnt bother me. COnsidering, I dont buy comics for their covers in the first place.

[Dread]

Great post as usual. Though I disagree about the last part. I like the silver/grey for Frontline and the Green couldve been toned down for the She-Hulk issue but really it doesnt bother me. COnsidering, I dont buy comics for their covers in the first place.
Yeah, some of the covers look fine. Baby blue for a hard-edged character like WOLVERINE just makes it dopey. That and the art makes it almost like a super-Smurf out of control.

[Darthphere]

Yeah, some of the covers look fine. Baby blue for a hard-edged character like WOLVERINE just makes it dopey. That and the art makes it almost like a super-Smurf out of control.


I dont buy WOlverine so I havent noticed but theres another title with a blue cover as well, its a darker blue though.

[CaptainStacy]

I have to disagree. It gives the books a more sophisticated, novel type of look and really stand out on the comic book stands. It makes the books seem respectable.


I agree. It looks very moody. Very pleased to see it on all the tie-in books.

And like Dread was saying; It's very cool seeing all the second and even third tier characters (Black Cat, Shang Chi, Prowler, Daughters of The Dragon, etc.,) being utilized to support the overall storyline.

Not sure how i'll feel when all is said and done, but right now, i give Marvel's efforts regarding this project an "A+"...

[Darthphere]

I see Marvel is still trying to get us to like their hot new character Arana.


I have something to say. I hate New Avengers, but the solicit for #24 is tempting me to buy that issue at least.

[Dread]

As for the cover of ASM#536, if the Thing was trying to grab MY crotch, I'd be a bit worried. :eek:

[Darthphere]

As for the cover of ASM#536, if the Thing was trying to grab MY crotch, I'd be a bit worried. :eek:


Or excited.

[Dread]

Or excited.
Speak for yourself. :p

[Darthphere]

Speak for yourself. :p


I am.:o

[Dread]

Stilt-Man has guns now?
Stilt-Man often carried gas or other trick pistols in the past. Besides, this is a yet-unnamed NEW Stilt-Man (as the original retired in DAREDEVIL some years ago); maybe he figured he'd up the ante.

[Marcdachamp]

No one mentioned Damage Control? That Wolverine arc looks better and better.

[Darthphere]

No one mentioned Damage Control? That Wolverine arc looks better and better.


Problem for me is:


That wolverine art looks worse and worse.

[Marcdachamp]

Problem for me is:


That wolverine art looks worse and worse.
I actually liked Ramos last issue. His Wolverine without the mask sucked, but he looked badass when it was on, imo.

[PhotoJones]

Problem for me is:


That wolverine art looks worse and worse.

it's like ramos is devolving into crap.

[Ben Urich]

it's like ramos is devolving into crap.

how can he devolve into crap when he already was crap? :confused:

[PhotoJones]

how can he devolve into crap when he already was crap? :confused:

i liked "crimson"'s artwork, a lot. and "out there" wasn't bad either.

but that wolverine cover is just bad.

[Dread]

I'm not keen on Ramos' art for WOLVERINE, but the writing was up to par so far, so its a Pryic tradeoff in some ways.

[samurai black]

HERE! (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Sept06/solicitations.html)

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CIVIL WAR #5 (of 7)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Pencils & Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
Variant Cover by MICHAEL TURNER
Featuring villains, villains, villains! Sides change and chaos reigns as the evildoers of the Marvel Universe make their presence felt in a new and shocking way! But when the underworld gets involved, can the Punisher be far behind?
32 PGS./Cardstock Cover/ Rated T+ ...$2.99
NOTE: There will also be a 1 for 75 Turner sketch variant cover

I knew it was the Punisher holding that gun!! It'd be cool for marvel to have rescue spidey and give him this "See what happens when you don't kill the bad guys and trust the government!" speech. I'm still all for him killing off Scorpion/Venom bc he's a lame rip-off of a great character.

[TheCorpulent1]

No one mentioned Damage Control? That Wolverine arc looks better and better.
Crap, you mean to tell me I might actually have to buy a Wolverine comic again? With Ramos on art duty, no less? God. Damn. It. :(

I can't say I like the fact that the Punisher's gone back to the white gloves. If anyone rocked the civvies look, it was the Punisher. Oh well, hopefully the gloves won't stop him from killing Stilt-Man. I really want to see him give Stilt-Man a face full of rocket for some reason. :D

[Ben Urich]

Hey, has Stilt Man ever kicked anyone? I imagine it'd hurt.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he could totally, like, kick a hundred guys in the nuts simultaneously if he got the angle right. :up:

[Ben Urich]

I wanna know what the original guy (Wilbur Day?) was thinking when he decided on Stilt Man. Were all the good animal names taken or something? :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe he invented the stilts first and just didn't have the vision to go with a clown motif.

[Speedball]

ok. Adi Granov doing the art for New Avengers.
My dream has nearly come true.
now all i need is Alex Ross to do the Art for The new Justice League and i will die happy.

[Marcdachamp]

ok. Adi Granov doing the art for New Avengers.
My dream has nearly come true.
now all i need is Alex Ross to do the Art for The new Justice League and i will die happy.
Just buy Justice, it's better than anything else DC puts out. Note: This isn't an attack on quality, rather a compliment.

It's weird. I can't wait for each issue of Civil War, but I don't want it to end, either. Damn Marvel...

[Darthphere]

ok. Adi Granov doing the art for New Avengers.
My dream has nearly come true.
now all i need is Alex Ross to do the Art for The new Justice League and i will die happy.


I guess if you want to wait 6 months between issues that would be great.

[Darthphere]

Full SOlicitations.


HERE! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=7616)

[stillanerd]

CIVIL WAR: FRONT LINE #7 & #8 (of 10)
Written by PAUL JENKINS
Penciled by RAMON BACHS & STEVE LIEBER
Cover by JOHN WATSON
In “Embedded”: Hot on the trail of a revelation that could explode the rift between the pro-registration and anti-registration heroes and forever change the nature of the Registration Act, the Daily Bugle’s Ben Urich and Sally Floyd have the story. Can they bring the power to the people?
In “The Accused”: His powers are gone, he’s been held culpable for the worst super-human disaster in history, and every super-villain in prison is looking to take a piece of Speedball. Will he make it out alive, and with hundreds of deaths on his conscious, does he want to? Also featuring true tales of war time in Civil War “Correspondence!"

WOLVERINE #46
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM
Pencils & Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
“VENDETTA”
Featuring the return of the cult favorite, DAMAGE CONTROL! But have they gone from cleaning up disasters to causing them? And what is their connection to the Stamford disaster? To find out, Wolverine will take no prisoners. Part 5 (of 6)
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$2.99

PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #1
Written by MATT FRACTION
Art & Cover by ARIEL OLIVETTI
Hey there, Marvel Universe. He’s back...with a vengeance. Taking no prisoners. Literally. With Civil War in full throttle mode, Frank Castle is feeling the heat. His safe houses have been raided, his munitions seized, and he’s square in the crosshairs of a Marvel Universe big gun who always gets his man. Until now, this wasn’t Frank’s war. But when Spandex-clad baddies start carrying badges...well, lets’ just say that’s something the Punisher can’t abide. Brought to you by rising star Matt Fraction (THE LAST OF THE INDEPENDENTS), with eye-popping art by superstar artist Ariel Olivetti (LAST AVENGERS STORY).

All those sections I bolded lead me to think one thing: that the Riverbank Massacre was not what it seemed. I'll bet that by the time Civil War is over, it will be revealed that Nitro KNEW that the New Warriors were coming and was ordered to cause the explosion at Stamford by the "shadow government" that created the super-villains, the same one Scorpion told Spider-Man about back in Mark Millar's run on Marvel Knights Spider-Man. Also, it will probably be revealed that Maria Hill and maybe Baron Zemo are in on the conspiracy. After all, people are asking why are they going after just the heroes? Could it be that Hill was ordered not to?

[Dread]

All those sections I bolded lead me to think one thing: that the Riverbank Massacre was not what it seemed. I'll bet that by the time Civil War is over, it will be revealed that Nitro KNEW that the New Warriors were coming and was ordered to cause the explosion at Stamford by the "shadow government" that created the super-villains, the same one Scorpion told Spider-Man about back in Mark Millar's run on Marvel Knights Spider-Man. Also, it will probably be revealed that Maria Hill and maybe Baron Zemo are in on the conspiracy. After all, people are asking why are they going after just the heroes? Could it be that Hill was ordered not to?
I actually got an impression that Stamford may have been anything BUT an accident in FRONTLINE #1, when Sally claimed that the incident was all but "a gift to politicians who've wanted to pass a SHRA for a good long time", or something like that.

To connect that to real-world leftest zeal, there are a good many on the fringe level of Liberalism who still believe that Pres. Bush and/or his administration somehow "caused" 9/11 due to either purposeful negligence or even outright "JFK/Magic Bullet"-level super-corruption that almost never exists in real life. I've even heard such theories from a professor in college (for a "Social Welfare" course no less). The reason, of course, was for an excuse to invade Iraq either as "revenge for Daddy" or "for the oil" (of course, if we're looting Iraqi oil, then why are prices so high? Because we're not, obviously). To be fair, one could step down from the extremist perch and claim that the administration perhaps "overreacted", rightfully or wrongly, to the threat Saddam posed to the world at large and used that to their motive to war.

Getting back on track, its a common comic book staple not only to favor the liberal side over the conservative one, but also to depict most government as being as corrupt as befitting a story without delving too much into Fascism (unless the story demands it, like V FOR VENDETTA). So if it turns out that Stamford was "manufactured", I wouldn't be surprised, and it could actually provide for a very effective "hook" and bring some new angles and emotions to the story if played off well. The trick would be to play it off in a way where it doesn't seem like extremist breast-beating, as the typical issue of ULTIMATES 2 usually reads. Thankfully, CIVIL WAR's not nearly as extremist as ULTIMATES 2 has been, probably because its a product of many cooks instead of one.

[Themanofbat]

The reason, of course, was for an excuse to invade Iraq either as "revenge for Daddy" or "for the oil" (of course, if we're looting Iraqi oil, then why are prices so high? Because we're not, obviously).

I wouldn't say that it's obvious that "you're not"... If anything, if BushCo. & friends now have control of Iraq's oil, prices could remain as high if not higher because people will pay the prices and those in charge of this oil (BushCo. & friends) are going to make more money.

:(

[stillanerd]

I actually got an impression that Stamford may have been anything BUT an accident in FRONTLINE #1, when Sally claimed that the incident was all but "a gift to politicians who've wanted to pass a SHRA for a good long time", or something like that.

Not to mention Ben Urich wanting to ask How the Riverbank Massacre happened, not to mention Wolverine wanting to find the bad guy while no one else seems interested, as well as S.H.I.E.L.D. focusing their efforts on nabbing HEROES rather than the villains.

To connect that to real-world leftest zeal, there are a good many on the fringe level of Liberalism who still believe that Pres. Bush and/or his administration somehow "caused" 9/11 due to either purposeful negligence or even outright "JFK/Magic Bullet"-level super-corruption that almost never exists in real life. I've even heard such theories from a professor in college (for a "Social Welfare" course no less). The reason, of course, was for an excuse to invade Iraq either as "revenge for Daddy" or "for the oil" (of course, if we're looting Iraqi oil, then why are prices so high? Because we're not, obviously). To be fair, one could step down from the extremist perch and claim that the administration perhaps "overreacted", rightfully or wrongly, to the threat Saddam posed to the world at large and used that to their motive to war.

Exactly. And, considering Mark Millar's politics, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this is the impression he is trying to convey onto his readers under the pretense that it's a superhero slugfest, which really says a lot about his mindset--if he truly believes in that "9/11 conspiracy" theory that's been adopted by the radical far left.

Getting back on track, its a common comic book staple not only to favor the liberal side over the conservative one, but also to depict most government as being as corrupt as befitting a story without delving too much into Fascism (unless the story demands it, like V FOR VENDETTA). So if it turns out that Stamford was "manufactured", I wouldn't be surprised, and it could actually provide for a very effective "hook" and bring some new angles and emotions to the story if played off well. The trick would be to play it off in a way where it doesn't seem like extremist breast-beating, as the typical issue of ULTIMATES 2 usually reads. Thankfully, CIVIL WAR's not nearly as extremist as ULTIMATES 2 has been, probably because its a product of many cooks instead of one.

One would hope so, anyway.

[Dread]

Not to mention Ben Urich wanting to ask How the Riverbank Massacre happened, not to mention Wolverine wanting to find the bad guy while no one else seems interested, as well as S.H.I.E.L.D. focusing their efforts on nabbing HEROES rather than the villains.
Indeed. Although an outright "superheroes vs. the U.S. government" thing probably isn't realistically on the table for 616, so it may turn out to be a "rogue faction" or something. I mean, that always worked for various revamped Sentinal programs (before GUNDAM, I mean SENTINAL SQUAD O*N*E*).

Exactly. And, considering Mark Millar's politics, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this is the impression he is trying to convey onto his readers under the pretense that it's a superhero slugfest, which really says a lot about his mindset--if he truly believes in that "9/11 conspiracy" theory that's been adopted by the radical far left.
To be fair, Mark Millar is hardly the first or only Marvel writer, or comic book writer in general, to have a "left-leaning bias". That's old news, ever since comics were made one could claim. Its part of the genre every bit as much as the capes and the laser blasts, and that's fine so long as the stories don't get so overshadowed by political drum-beating. That's happened, unfortunately, to ULTIMATES 2, a story Millar has total control over. CIVIL WAR, on the other hand, he has less individual control because everything had to be planned by Marvel's think-tank and approved. Hence, its not as extremist so far and is striking more of a balence (the SHRA side so far hasn't been depicted as being outright evil).

[Darthphere]

You guys are ruining this thread with your long discourses. Its supposed to be Ooooo this cover looks cool.:(

[deemar325]

I'm not keen on Ramos' art for WOLVERINE, but the writing was up to par so far, so its a Pryic tradeoff in some ways.

I like Ramos on Spidey, it fits to me.

[stillanerd]

You guys are ruining this thread with your long discourses. Its supposed to be Ooooo this cover looks cool.:(
Oooo this cover STILL looks cool.
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Sept06/CIVWAR005_cov_col.jpg

Oooo, this cover we've already seen.
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Sept06/CIVIL_WAR_Files.jpg

And oooo, this cover reminds me of every John Woo film ever made--
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Sept06/covers/cabdpl032_cov_col.jpg

--although some John Woo films are cool.

How's that? :)

[SonOfCthulhu]

Eek that FF cover is horrible. What's up with Sue's out of proportion arm? I thought that Reed was the one who stretched.

[kiuju2k]

Man do any of these books explain how patriot is superhuman again???? Last I checked he got shot and was hurt? WTf marvel wtf.

[Marcdachamp]

Man do any of these books explain how patriot is superhuman again???? Last I checked he got shot and was hurt? WTf marvel wtf.
I'm guessing we'll find out in Young Avengers #12. Keep your pants on.

So much good looking stuff. That Astonishing cover is funny. I think everyone expects Emma to be responsible for the Breakworld's destruction, but I think Whedon's gonna pull a fast one and make it turn out to be Colossus or Kitty. Piotr brings a nice Twilight Zone-esque twist, while Kitty would be interesting considering Whedon's love for her.

Looks like Karolina's Skrull friend will be sticking around. Wonder what that'll mean for the warring empires.

It's too bad I don't read Marvel Adventures. Fin Fang Foom, Thanos and Mar-Vell? That's pretty damn cool.

I wonder if Matt will be back as DD by that issue or if it will still be Hawkeye... I mean... the mystery Daredevil. Looks cool either way.