2006-2007 NBA Thread

[Fran]

I have no idea what you're talking about. What's this 'avatar' business?

I can counter it with a Pistons avvy.

:cmad::csad::dry::ninja::trans:

If you show that you're angry, that just gives him more reason... don't encourage it.

:trans: fran :trans:

[Mister J]

I can counter it with a Pistons avvy.



If you show that you're angry, that just gives him more reason... don't encourage it.

:trans: fran :trans:
There was nothing to get angry about. I just wanted to use random smileys, capped off by that new wicked Transformers smiley. Have you seen it?:trans:

[Fran]

I've never heard of that Transformers smiley. Never even seen it :huh:

:trans: fran :trans:

[Mister J]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2707977
Gilbert Arenas has a new mantra.

The Washington Wizards guard, who used to say "hibachi" when his jump shot was in mid-flight, has started saying something different since his 60-point game in a 147-141 overtime victory against the Los Angeles Lakers last week.

"Ever since Kobe [Bryant] said I was lucky, I say 'quality shots,'" Arenas told the Washington Post on Saturday. "Maybe Kobe would say that was luck. It's luck when you score 30 or 40, but luck can't get you 50 or 60. Every game before the game, I make 10 3s from 10 spots on the court. That's 100 3s."
:dry:

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[Fran]

LOL

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[LastSunrise1981]

:cmad::csad::dry::ninja::trans:

I don't see what you're so cocky about. Only reason why Wade is scoring so much is because no one is playing any defense on him.

Put someone like a Bruce Bowen, a healthy Kobe, or even Artest and we'll see how many points can score then. Wade, much like Kobe, are nothing more than overrated drama queens who are all hype and can't do anything unless the officials give them the calls.

As for Farmer chiming in with his retorts, the Pistons still suck ass and will never win another championship. Be prepared Mister J and Farmer, both of your teams will be knocked out in the playoffs. :yay:

[Mister J]

I don't see what you're so cocky about. Only reason why Wade is scoring so much is because no one is playing any defense on him.

Put someone like a Bruce Bowen, a healthy Kobe, or even Artest and we'll see how many points can score then. Wade, much like Kobe, are nothing more than overrated drama queens who are all hype and can't do anything unless the officials give them the calls.

As for Farmer chiming in with his retorts, the Pistons still suck ass and will never win another championship. Be prepared Mister J and Farmer, both of your teams will be knocked out in the playoffs. :yay:
Excellent analysis. How has ESPN survived this long without hiring you?:huh:

[LastSunrise1981]

Excellent analysis. How has ESPN survived this long without hiring you?:huh:

No clue. Maybe it's because I actually see through the BS and call things as I see it? :oldrazz: :woot: :ninja: :trans:

[Mister J]

Careful. It's not too late for Stern to ruin your Christmas. Fix you good, he will.


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[LastSunrise1981]

Careful. It's not too late for Stern to ruin your Christmas. Fix you good, he will.


:trans:

Stop bursting my bubble. :csad:

[The Riddler]

gonna be tough for the rockets without yao and mcgrady.

they need to stay about .500 until yao and mcgrady return to have a chance to make the playoffs.

surprisingly they match up well against potential top seeds in the west when healthy like the spurs, jazz or mavs. suns are the absolute worst team to match up against the rockets, however.

[Mister J]

Dear Lord. :whatever:
Jackson Comments May Have Reignited Feud (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2708333)
It wouldn't be Christmas without a Shaq-Kobe feud, and now it seems Phil Jackson wants in on the tradition.

Jackson, who once upon a time seemed to favor his star center over his star shooting guard, on Sunday called out O'Neal, saying he was "the only person I've ever had that hasn't been a worker."

Shaq, who is rarely at a loss for words, was asked about Jackson's comments on Monday following Miami's 101-85 win over O'Neal's former team.

"How can Benedict Arnold be reliable in what he says?" the Big Aristotle was quoted as saying in Tuesday's edition of The Los Angeles Times. O'Neal declined to elaborate on his statement and, since he was in street clothes for the game, was not required to give a formal post-game interview.

O'Neal and Bryant had been feuding since O'Neal's trade to Miami following the 2003-04 season. But last year the two superstars stated publicly that they had reconciled their differences.

Then came Jackson's comments on Sunday.

"He's the one guy that didn't really like to work," said the coach who boasts nine NBA championship rings. "I know Pat [Riley] got him working here in Miami. We had a hard time getting him to work. All the other players -- Michael [Jordan], Scottie [Pippen], Dennis Rodman, all those guys that we had, Horace Grant, they're all hard-working practice and personal work players."

Of course, O'Neal was not the only player Jackson prodded. Speaking about Dwyane Wade, Shaq's new partner in crime and last year's NBA Finals MVP, Jackson said, "He travels on that spin move. He picks up that pivot foot … everybody knows it. Dwyane Wade can cover so much ground when he makes that move. As you know, he can go 20 feet with that spin move and get to the basket."

While Jackson's comments are sure to refuel a media frenzy that was threatening to die down, it did little to help his team, which has lost three of five.

[Ghostvirus]

You know I think Jackson has a point about Wade traveling. I noticed that I kept thinking he traveled in the game last night. With that said. I love how the media these days are like the school kid who goes around telling people stuff just to get some ***** started. That way they won't have to report on anything sports related.:whatever:

[Jerry]

Thats the way the media has always worked in sports for the most part.

[DarthRekal]

soory J conspiracy rant ahead:

how does wade get all them calls!???:huh:
and when turiaf made that dunk he was fouled by wade and nothing.. it was one sided officiating.. but thats what happens when you go against the POSTER CHILD on national tv:csad: and he did carry a couple times


with that said.. man flash is fast.. and some of them passes :wow: ...
y'all were just two steps quicker than us and were getting all the breaks.. "santa" wanted y'all to win yesterday... that's just how it goes... it would help if LUke would ever wake up from his coma...
good game J... we still got one at staples!:trans:




Ben.. your up next!

[LastSunrise1981]

Phil has been saying what I've said about Wade from the beginning.

He'll probably be fined for speaking out against $terns Golden Boy.

[Mister J]

soory J conspiracy rant ahead:

how does wade get all them calls!???:huh:
and when turiaf made that dunk he was fouled by wade and nothing.. it was one sided officiating.. but thats what happens when you go against the POSTER CHILD on national tv:csad: and he did carry a couple times


with that said.. man flash is fast.. and some of them passes :wow: ...
y'all were just two steps quicker than us and were getting all the breaks.. "santa" wanted y'all to win yesterday... that's just how it goes... it would help if LUke would ever wake up from his coma...
good game J... we still got one at staples!:trans:




Ben.. your up next!
The next game's kinda soon too (1/15). I wonder if Shaq (or Lamar for that matter) will be back. At any rate, I imagine the Viper will be keyed up for it, so maybe that backcourt duel I was looking forward to will materialize.

When did the Phil-Shaq relationship go bad? Big Chief Triangle was being asked to comment on how hard Mamba works and the first thing out of his mouth was to zing O'Neal. If Shaq was playing in the game or it was a playoff series, I could see it, but just outta the blue was weird.

[DarthRekal]

The next game's kinda soon too (1/15). I wonder if Shaq (or Lamar for that matter) will be back. At any rate, I imagine the Viper will be keyed up for it, so maybe that backcourt duel I was looking forward to will materialize.

When did the Phil-Shaq relationship go bad? Big Chief Triangle was being asked to comment on how hard Mamba works and the first thing out of his mouth was to zing O'Neal. If Shaq was playing in the game or it was a playoff series, I could see it, but just outta the blue was weird.

yeah pretty quick .. i hope BOTH are back in some capacity ..that will at least show some signs of the true teams capacity on both ends....

yeah the zen miesiter(at least from sports talk radio here in LA) is slighted from shaq calling riley the best coach he ever played for about a gajillion times after the HEAT won.... i understand why he said so i aint mad at him.. and phil should know the semantics of the sitch oh well.. should be good in jan:trans:

[Ben Urich]

I've got tickets to tomorrow's game. I don't care who wins as long as Kobe Bryant drops dead. :up:
Unfortunately, coming off an embarrassing loss to the Heat, I think the Lakers will be fired up. :csad:

[Mister J]

I :heart: this thread.:woot:

[Ben Urich]

The last time I saw a Lakers game, it was friggin' sweet... until the Magic started settling for jump shots and the Lakers came back and won it. :cmad::csad:
Still, I saw the dunk of my life... T-Mac broke Kobe's ankles and dunked rudely on some random stiff (Mark Madsen? :huh:).
The very next possession, Kobe went right at T-Mac, who was able to keep up, but eventually got dunked on. Hard. :csad: But Kobe, being the idiot that he is, pulled himself up on the rim and smacked the backboard with excitement, resulting in a technical foul. :woot:

[DarthRekal]

LOL gotta love ben!:woot:


you going tomorrow ? SWEEET!...

kobe should give you a show! :cwink: enjoy man

[Ben Urich]

Mom managed to score lower bowl seats, too. The last time I was lower bowl for a Magic game it was to see T-Mac and the Magic take on Alonzo Mourning (pre-kidney disorder) and the Heat. Damn, did I curse a lot that game. :woot::up:
It's been a while. :csad:

[DarthRekal]

so your record with the magic is pretty bad?


I'm eleven and one when i go to the games.. the one game was a season opener against the jazz after our first ring in 2000... so i dont count it...

but i'm pretty lucky for the lakes.. i was even at the game four victory last year:wow: :word: :woot:

[Ben Urich]

We ended up winning that game, but I still curse a lot. I let the officials know what's on my mind. :cmad:

I haven't kept track of my record at Magic games. It's probably somewhere around .500. I could go through my old game programs to get an approximation (I used to keep score :o) but I stopped buying them a few years ago so it'd be pretty rough.

Best thing ever: I was, like, 8 years old and I was outside with my dad at halftime at a Jazz game. Dad was smoking a cigarette and I was just standing there in my John Stockton jersey (and matching purple Jazz shorts :o) and this nice old guy just comes over and says says to me, "Would you like to sit with me for the 2nd half? I have seats right behind the Jazz bench." Obviously, I couldn't see my face, but Dad swears he's never seen me happier.

The Jazz ended up losing (Karl Malone made a shot at the buzzer that would've sent the game into overtime, but the officials waved it off :cmad: :csad:) but it was sweet seeing the game that close. Karl Malone dove for a loose ball and landed about 2 feet in front of me. I could have touched him :wow::woot:

[DarthRekal]

thats dope!

yeah i sat right behind the basket once and right behind jimmy smits another time and right where the lakers come out of the tunnel another.. thing about lakers games when they sellout theres always singles ..my wife god bless her lets me go by myself when i cant get the family in:woot:

its easier to get closer that way... but man that was tight ben musta been a huge lift and prolly made you a huge malone fan.. i HATED him for the longest that was of course til he sported the purple and gold armor..

then i took the hate goggles off and realized man this cat is GOOD:wow:

[Ben Urich]

I already loved Stockton and Malone. I had a poster of them together on my wall at that point. :up:
I was pissed when Malone left the Jazz, though. I don't care that he went to the Lakers, but the fact that he ruined his legacy by going to a second team really irks me. No one plays for a single team their whole career anymore. :csad:
Reggie Miller and John Stockton ftw :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

Mavericks win again. Granted it was against the Bobcats, but other than that a win is a win and I'm very happy. :) :up: :up:

[DarthRekal]

sunrise why didnt you tell me dirk didnt miss any games???:huh:

i had him on the bench!:csad:


oh well he's back in my lineup....

MAGIC tonight!

[Eddie Brock]

my poor Sixers lost again.....


as we say in Philadelphia, there's always next year

in the meantime, HELLO EAGLES!!

[LastSunrise1981]

sunrise why didnt you tell me dirk didnt miss any games???:huh:

i had him on the bench!:csad:


oh well he's back in my lineup....

MAGIC tonight!

I figured you already knew to be honest.

[L.A.]

An Artest-Maggette trade could be just what each team needs, and sources said the Clippers and Kings are motivated to move quickly.



Quote:
The Clippers hope to complete a trade before Friday's game against Sacramento at Staples Center, or in time for a six-game, 10-day Eastern trip that begins Monday.

Although General Manager Elgin Baylor is close with Maggette, Baylor wants to make a deal with Sacramento, sources said.

Baylor is resigned to trading Maggette because of the situation, and Artest is considered a better player than Maggette.

[DarthRekal]

that would be nice for the clips... i love ron rons game!


currently we are getting worked by the magic :csad: '


ben you are no longer allowed to go to LAKERS games :cmad:

[L.A.]

that would be nice for the clips... i love ron rons game!


currently we are getting worked by the magic :csad: '


ben you are no longer allowed to go to LAKERS games :cmad:
I dont see it at Kcal 9?

[DarthRekal]

I dont see it at Kcal 9?

its tape delayed ...you gotta listen to it right now ..or watch on the net :word:


46-47 magic at the half


cant see it on tv til 5.30 kcal 9 yup

[L.A.]

its tape delayed ...you gotta listen to it right now ..or watch on the net :word:


46-47 magic at the half


cant see it on tv til 5.30 kcal 9 yup
Watch it on the net? Where?

[DarthRekal]

Watch it on the net? Where?

espn.com

any sports page really

cant see it live but i watch the score go up and the gamecast on espn is pretty cool..

[L.A.]

espn.com

any sports page really

cant see it live but i watch the score go up and the gamecast on espn is pretty cool..
Ill do you one better http://www.download.com/TVUPlayer/3000-2194_4-10584889.html?tag=lst-0-1 Just go to channel O-TSN sports channel!

[DarthRekal]

Ill do you one better http://www.download.com/TVUPlayer/3000-2194_4-10584889.html?tag=lst-0-1 Just go to channel O-TSN sports channel!

sweet but im still at work i cant reall WATCH tv here but i will hold on to this link..good lookin out NOFX!

[Mister J]

What the hell happened to Miami in the 2nd quarter? Where in the sam hill is Wade? :huh:

[Fran]

Pistons win again, beat the Nets last night, 92-91.

:up:

[Mister J]

Great. Flash sprained his ****ing wrist and is out of the game. Oh, mighty gods on high, please don't let it be long term. :csad:

[Fran]

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

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[Mister J]

That hurt, ff ...well, it would if it weren't for that snazzy Transformers logo. :trans:

Good news is that the X-rays were negative and they're just being overly cautious. :up:

Bad news is that tonight's game is likely to be very ugly. :down:

But hey, they can't get beat by 42 again ...right? :confused:

[Fran]

It could be a loss by 43 points :up:

[Mister J]

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[Fran]

What can I say, other than, "I hate the Heat!"

:trans: fran :trans:

[Mister J]

You live in Michigan. You wish you had some heat right now. :rolleyes:

*re-reads ff's post*

Oh ...nevermind. :dry:

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[Fran]

You had to save yourself there, J.

:trans: fran :trans:

[Ben Urich]

:woot: - Trevor Ariza is still playing aggressively, even after returning to the bench. He scored 11 and pulled down 6 boards.

:yay: - My dad bought me a McFlurry after the game.

:dry: - Hedo Turkoglu played for the first time in 8 games after sitting out with an ankle injury. He started and scored 12... on 6 of 13 from the field, including 0 of 4 from 3-point range.

:cmad: - Andrew Bynum scored 13 points in 13 minutes off the Laker bench. Nice Defense, Darko Milicic.

:huh: - Smush Parker scored 18 of his 20 points in the 3rd period.

:up: - Kobe scored 27, but did not shoot well, going just 8 of 22. Keyon Dooling, Grant Hill, and Trevor Ariza played him well throughout the night.

:down - Down 10 with 6 minutes to play, the Magic's lineup looked like this:

PG - Carlos Arroyo
SG - Keyon Dooling
SF - Hedo Turkoglu
PF - Trevor Ariza
C - Darko Milicic


Did Brian Hill seriously think the Magic could rally with that team on the floor? Dooling (defense) and Turkoglu (outside shooting) make sense, but Jameer Nelson, Grant Hill, and Dwight Howard have go to be on the floor in that situation.

Game ball - Smush Parker. You earned it, man.

Sub of the game - Trevor Ariza for contributing energy and defense. When he wants to get to the basket, he gets to the damn basket.

Down the road - Magic @ Washington - The two teams are now tied atop the Southeast Division. The Magic are on a cold streak and have been letting opposing point guards (Baron Davis, Smush Parker) have their way. That does not bode well for them, as they will face the hottest point guard in the NBA, Gilbert Arenas, on the road.

[Mister J]

Stupid Ben Gordon. :mad: :down

What's going on at Madison Sqaure? Looks pretty good.

[Equinox]

Bullssss win :up:

[Fran]

The Pistons have had to go to 3 overtimes to the Knicks?!?!??!

[Fran]

Billups only has 17, while Rip has 51. Wow, how inconsistent.

[Equinox]

The Pistons have had to go to 3 overtimes to the Knicks?!?!??!

:eek: .. Anyone won yet?

[Ben Urich]

What if this ends in a tie?! :wow:
That'd be ****ing crazy.
I'm gonna need to record SportsCenter now :up:

[Fran]

Quick! I need Nazr to throw a punch!! :up:

[Fran]

Well, the Pistons lose a tough one in 3 Overtimes.

It was all the refs fault! They lost the game for us! I think the NBA is rigged to have the Pistons lose to the Heat! LastSunrise person is right! OMG! This sucks! There is no way a "good" team, like, say, the Mavericks would ever lose to the Knicks!

:dry: :dry:

:trans: fran :trans:

[NewYorkSpider]

The old blame it on the ref scheme. :up:

[Ben Urich]

Stephon Marbury flops like a sasquatch, etc. :o

[Fran]

The old blame it on the ref scheme. :up:

Notice the :dry: face.

I really don't believe any of the stuff. Pistons just didn't play good enough, and should have killed them in the first place. Rip had 50+ and Chauncey only gets around 17. :down Inconsistency like that will hurt them.

[Mister J]

The Nuggets brawl business has had some kind of Bizarro effect on the Knicks. They've won 4 out of 5 against good competition. Napoleonic Nate needs to come back soon and ruin the chemistry.

[Lobo]

What a game, Knicks should have won in regulation. Rip was amazing but his tech at the end is what really blew it for you guys. Also I'm glad Steph finally had his "break out" game offensively. I just want Q back and Nate can sit the rest of the year as far as I'm concerned

I'll be in Miami at the end of January, and I'm going to Heat vs Knicks :D

[Fran]

Thank God I got this new Detroit channel :up: I got to see the end at least.

[Fran]

What a game, Knicks should have won in regulation. Rip was amazing but his tech at the end is what really blew it for you guys. Also I'm glad Steph finally had his "break out" game offensively. I just want Q back and Nate can sit the rest of the year as far as I'm concerned

Lobo, may I say, "good game."

Whatever happened to Q?

[NewYorkSpider]

Notice the :dry: face.

I really don't believe any of the stuff. Pistons just didn't play good enough, and should have killed them in the first place. Rip had 50+ and Chauncey only gets around 17. :down Inconsistency like that will hurt them.

I was being sarcastic about my post.

Yeah, Inconsistency will lose you game. Rip had an outstanding game with 51 points and was 12/12 from the free throw line. From the looks of Billups, he played like crap. You can't keep taking 3pt shots and missing them.

[Lobo]

Lobo, may I say, "good game."

Whatever happened to Q?


He's out with Back spasms. he's listed as day to day. he was having a very good year too. And thanks, I nearly lost it when i thought Frye hit a 3 but it was just a looong 2

[Fran]

The Pistons are still the #1 seed in the East by 2 games, so that's still terrific :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

Notice the :dry: face.

I really don't believe any of the stuff. Pistons just didn't play good enough, and should have killed them in the first place. Rip had 50+ and Chauncey only gets around 17. :down Inconsistency like that will hurt them.

Oh bull****, you've been whining about the Heat and the officials ever since the off-season began. I stand by my opinion, my beliefs, and will not falter down in order to seem "cool" because some random fickle fan chimes in with his worthless opinion.

The Mavs lost the finals, I know that. They lost it due to phantom officiating and favortism to the Heat. Plain and simple. Many NBA experts said this, many fans believe this, and a lot fans truly believe that the NBA has the same credibiltity as the WWE. When your product is a real sport and isn't all about good guys vs. bad guys and is compared to professional wrestling, you know something is wrong and I believe what I believe. You don't like it? Tough luck.

It'll be a joy watching your sucky ass team lose to the Heat or the Cavs in the playoffs. Then you'll probably whine about the officials too.

Be prepared, your overrated team will never, ever win another trophy.

[Fran]

Edit... Why even bother with this idiot?

[Jerry]

Wow. Talk about whining.

[LastSunrise1981]

Edit... Why even bother with this idiot?

Translation: I lost the argument and was exposed. When the Heat won the championships, I too, also accused Wade of acting and said Stern was favoring the Heat to win the champions. I said this more than once and when I'm called on it I deny it so I can look cool in front of Mister J and other fickle NBA fans.

[LastSunrise1981]

Wow. Talk about whining.

And where did this newbie come from? :trans: :whatever:

[Ben Urich]

The Mavericks' losing had nothing to do with the Heat being a better team? :huh:
I know bad officiating can ruin games, but that alone isn't enough to swing an entire playoff series in favor of one team.

[Mister J]

You're trying to talk reason. That doesn't work well in the Land of Sour Grapes. Even Mark Cuban believes this 'the league is rigged' stuff to be nonsense. Of course, I suppose it's entirely possible for a random, bitter Mavs fanboy to have more insight to the ongoings and particulars of the NBA than the outspoken owner of the very team that's allegedly been victimized. Then again, this is the same poster who believed that the league suddenly shifted the Finals to a 2-3-2 format solely to give Miami an advantage, when anybody remotely paying attention knows it's been that way for years (1985 actually).

Can anybody shoot me a link to any of these supposed accounts by NBA experts that point to some insidious plot to get Miami a ring, 'cause I missed them. As a matter of fact, when I check out a Heat game or read something in relation to the Finals, it's usually about what a superlative performance Wade put on and how the Heatians persevered as a team to win that series, but I've clearly drank the Kool-Aid. It's easier to believe the big, bad officials and the callous Commissioner are out to get you rather than your team chose the sport's biggest stage to eat a colossal peanut butter sandwich and choke a title away.

Trying to talk reason with Sunrise takes away from his entertainment value. We musn't make a habit of it. Now, quickly...

LOOK INTO THE FACE OF EVIL!!!
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2707/stern99nbab874qp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Ultimate_Superman]

How bout those Wizards :D

[Ghostvirus]

How bout those Wizards :D

What about them?:ninja:

Well Mister J. The Bulls have beaten the Heat twice this year. only 2 more to go.:cwink: :ninja:

[Ultimate_Superman]

The Wizards are doing great this year don't hate on them Carnage. What really gets me though is the Knicks are not that far behind the Heat.

[Fran]

You're trying to talk reason. That doesn't work well in the Land of Sour Grapes. Even Mark Cuban believes this 'the league is rigged' stuff to be nonsense. Of course, I suppose it's entirely possible for a random, bitter Mavs fanboy to have more insight to the ongoings and particulars of the NBA than the outspoken owner of the very team that's allegedly been victimized. Then again, this is the same poster who believed that the league suddenly shifted the Finals to a 2-3-2 format solely to give Miami an advantage, when anybody remotely paying attention knows it's been that way for years (1985 actually).

Can anybody shoot me a link to any of these supposed accounts by NBA experts that point to some insidious plot to get Miami a ring, 'cause I missed them. As a matter of fact, when I check out a Heat game or read something in relation to the Finals, it's usually about what a superlative performance Wade put on and how the Heatians persevered as a team to win that series, but I've clearly drank the Kool-Aid. It's easier to believe the big, bad officials and the callous Commissioner are out to get you rather than your team chose the sport's biggest stage to eat a colossal peanut butter sandwich and choke a title away.

Trying to talk reason with Sunrise takes away from his entertainment value. We musn't make a habit of it. Now, quickly...

LOOK INTO THE FACE OF EVIL!!!
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2707/stern99nbab874qp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


:up: :up:

I've stopped talking to him because he is just that, J.... an idiot! :yay:

But Sunrise, before I edited that post, it was trying to talk reason to you. You think you are the only person that matters in this thread, when that sure as hell is not true. Great and logical posters like DarthRekal, NOFX, Ben Urich, Mister J, and myself actually have some sense of winning and losing. We don't always question the refs everytime we lose a game, like you sure as hell do. Everytime the Mavs lose a game, you come in here and b**** about your Stern/NBA rigging conspiracy theory. This is the last time I'm wasting a post on your sorry ass.

In summary, Sunrise: Get a reality check, and f*** you. :meow:

:trans: fran :trans:

[DarthRekal]

- Trevor Ariza is still playing aggressively, even after returning to the bench. He scored 11 and pulled down 6 boards.

- My dad bought me a McFlurry after the game.

- Hedo Turkoglu played for the first time in 8 games after sitting out with an ankle injury. He started and scored 12... on 6 of 13 from the field, including 0 of 4 from 3-point range.

- Andrew Bynum scored 13 points in 13 minutes off the Laker bench. Nice Defense, Darko Milicic.

- Smush Parker scored 18 of his 20 points in the 3rd period.

- Kobe scored 27, but did not shoot well, going just 8 of 22. Keyon Dooling, Grant Hill, and Trevor Ariza played him well throughout the night.

- Down 10 with 6 minutes to play, the Magic's lineup looked like this:

PG - Carlos Arroyo
SG - Keyon Dooling
SF - Hedo Turkoglu
PF - Trevor Ariza
C - Darko MilicicDid Brian Hill seriously think the Magic could rally with that team on the floor? Dooling (defense) and Turkoglu (outside shooting) make sense, but Jameer Nelson, Grant Hill, and Dwight Howard have go to be on the floor in that situation.

Game ball - Smush Parker. You earned it, man.

Sub of the game - Trevor Ariza for contributing energy and defense. When he wants to get to the basket, he gets to the damn basket.

Down the road - Magic @ Washington - The two teams are now tied atop the Southeast Division. The Magic are on a cold streak and have been letting opposing point guards (Baron Davis, Smush Parker) have their way. That does not bode well for them, as they will face the hottest point guard in the NBA, Gilbert Arenas, on the road.

nice synopsis.. upon further review you once again are allowed to go to lakers/magic games :cwink:


silver lining is you got a mcflurry... ahhh the wonderous joys of the mcflurry :up:


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regarding other incidents on this thread....

Knicks!.. good job guys but i agree it shouldnt last too long.. but i hope it does OUR sister city NY needs a winner...

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About the Heat winning..Besides Dallas fans... US(being Lakers Fans) are the most effected by the Heat "ship" I was originally blaming the refs too and yes there were questionable calls.. but i have to live by the great CHICK HEARNS mantra.. " You should never let the game get to the point where the officials CAN decide the game"

meaning its on you.. either outright win... or your play was questionable enough to be swayed...

the Mavs ultimatley didnt step up and lost their way

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that being said after the thumping D wade put on us on Xmas .. i cant say I'm not thrilled about the Heats demise ( i know J its the fanboy in me)
losing the game after and us whooping the magic..

it's almost as good as UCLA losing last night :woot:

[Mister J]

What about them?

Well Mister J. The Bulls have beaten the Heat twice this year. only 2 more to go.:cwink: :ninja:I'll gladly have them take them 4 victories now in exchange for 4 defeats come sometime around May. :woot:

Gordon had a hell of a game. I was checking it out on ESPN GameCast (which might be the most aggravating and nerve-wracking way to follow a basketball game) and his point total just kept jumping whenever Miami got close or took a small lead. He's that kind of player though. You just gotta give it to him.

The Wizards are doing great this year don't hate on them Carnage. What really gets me though is the Knicks are not that far behind the Heat. OK. What's gotten into Gilbert as of late? It's like the 'on fire' code to NBA Jam or something. Beyond that, there's still no sign of any mandate from the Commissioner's office to make them stop wearing those hideous alternative uniforms. They need to make a choice; either Gilbert can continue to go bananas or the Wiz can continue to compete with the University of Oregon's football team for Most Nauseating Uniform. They can't have both ...they just can't.
that being said after the thumping D wade put on us on Xmas .. i cant say I'm not thrilled about the Heats demise ( i know J its the fanboy in me)
losing the game after and us whooping the magic..

it's almost as good as UCLA losing last night
The inner fanboy is part of what makes it all fun. :woot:

Enjoy it now. Soon there will be 7'1, 300+ lbs. of Diesel helping to push the Heatians back up the ranks. :hyper:

...at least I hope it's soon. :( :ninja:

[Ultimate_Superman]

OK. What's gotten into Gilbert as of late? It's like the 'on fire' code to NBA Jam or something. Beyond that, there's still no sign of any mandate from the Commissioner's office to make them stop wearing those hideous alternative uniforms. They need to make a choice; either Gilbert can continue to go bananas or the Wiz can continue to compete with the University of Oregon's football team for Most Nauseating Uniform. They can't have both ...they just can't.:csad:This was suppose to be the jersey they would wear but the league told them no. They said it was to dark for a home jersey.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/sidelineapparel_1931_23110229

[raybia]

I wish I could get excited about the NBA but ever since Jordan retired (from the Bulls) I just cannot.

I really thought I was a Bulls fan but it was about Jordan the whole time. Even if the Bulls won another Championship or many, it wouldn't matter.

Now College Basketball is another story. I LOVE IT!

[DarthRekal]

The inner fanboy is part of what makes it all fun. :woot:

Enjoy it now. Soon there will be 7'1, 300+ lbs. of Diesel helping to push the Heatians back up the ranks. :hyper:

...at least I hope it's soon. :( :ninja:

The Diesel you speak of is running on 8 flat tires.. sure i would still take 50% of shaq over 100% of 99% of the centers in the L...

but i gotta feeling Shaq wont be in game shape until around the time playoffs start.. sure you're saying to yourself exactly when we want him..

but at this rate wade will run out of gas.. and you guys might not even make it in.. even in the east....

i'm not too worried about shaq anymore.. last yr proved its all about d wade... even though shaq is gonna take up space in the paint... he's not gonna require the double teams he used to and people will pull the Kobe defense and just focus on wade...

keep in my mind when people run the pick and roll when shaq is on the floor .. you guys will be severely at a disadvantage

[Mister J]

Wade's no doubt the lead dog, but Shaq coming back will help to shore up the inside defense, which has been killing them. They have to pack the paint to compensate when Mourning's not in (sometimes even when he is). You can only expect 20 or so minutes out of Zo and the other time, it's just cross your fingers and hope for the best. It's really screwed up their 3 pt and overall perimeter defense which is leading to a lot of these L's.

I think he'll still get the double teams, though not as frequently as the old days. He's shown that he can still make people pay otherwise. He was rolling in the playoffs until Avery decided just to have two 7-footers just camp out in the paint, no matter what. Wade is expending a lot of energy now, but from his talk, the rise of Wright and Kapono has kinda made things easier. He says he was more tired at the start of the season than he is now. I think he can make it through with enough juice for the final push, but the fingers are crossed on that one.

The pick & roll has been a sticking point for a while, but what they've tried to do as of late is have guys like Haslem, Wright or Posey switch off and hope the they're quick enough to influence the shot while the post defender recovers back to the basket. Not the most optimal strategy, but Shaq (or Zo) for that matter aren't going to be chasing guys out on the wing, so I guess they just gotta make do.

Too many questions. I need his big ass out on the floor, so I can see what they're dealing with. As poorly as they started the season, they're still only 3.5 games from the 2nd best record in the conference. Gotta love the East.

[Mister J]

This was suppose to be the jersey they would wear but the league told them no. They said it was to dark for a home jersey.
Well then, the league needs to reverse it's position. Assuming that the shorts looks similar, this is infinitely better than the alternative.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well then, the league needs to reverse it's position. Assuming that the shorts looks similar, this is infinitely better than the alternative.The shorts match the jersey. When we (my family) was at the meet the Wizards night I had Gilbert sign mines and he first asked where did I get this then said they were suppose to wear this but the league voted no. He is a cool person if you ever meet him in person. He is always at the local gyms through out NOVA/DC/MD.

[Ghostvirus]

I wish I could get excited about the NBA but ever since Jordan retired (from the Bulls) I just cannot.

I really thought I was a Bulls fan but it was about Jordan the whole time. Even if the Bulls won another Championship or many, it would matter.

Now College Basketball is another story. I LOVE IT!

I can kind of see where you are coming from. I had the same problem after MJ retired. Only my prob was that the Bulls didn't just dismantle after there sixth championship. They F-ing exploded! There was nothing left for me to hold onto, & I wasn't in the mood to learn an entirely new roster, so I took a few years off from watching. Finally after a few years I got back into it.

This new Bulls team is alot like a second wife. I love them & all, but they will never have all of my love.

[raybia]

This new Bulls team is alot like a second wife. I love them & all, but they will never have all of my love.


LOL! :woot:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Does matter which Bulls team it is the Wizards still own them (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c3-YEseq5c&mode=related&search=)

[Jerry]

I can kind of see where you are coming from. I had the same problem after MJ retired. Only my prob was that the Bulls didn't just dismantle after there sixth championship. They F-ing exploded! There was nothing left for me to hold onto, & I wasn't in the mood to learn an entirely new roster, so I took a few years off from watching. Finally after a few years I got back into it.

This new Bulls team is alot like a second wife. I love them & all, but they will never have all of my love.

Well it was hard after MJ, everyone left. But you still had Steve Kerr and Toni Kukoc. But then they left too :csad:. I tried watching them and it was right around Bill Cartwright's tenure when I stopped until Skiles started. All I remember from Cartwright was that he had this look on his face during every game, the whole game through.

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/cartwright_020104.jpg

[Ben Urich]

nice synopsis.. upon further review you once again are allowed to go to lakers/magic games :cwink:


silver lining is you got a mcflurry... ahhh the wonderous joys of the mcflurry :up:

I try to be objective. :o:up:
Here's a fact for you: The Magic's loss last night makes them 8-28 all-time against the Lakers, including just 2-15 on the road. That's the worst record for the Magic against any other NBA team.
Next year. :cmad:

[Ghostrider87]

It was great seeing my Bulls beat the Heat. It's great to knock off the defending Champs.

[Jerry]

You hear that bull**** that Riley was spewing afterwards? Saying that Hinrich was trying to injure Wade and that Posey wasn't trying to intentionally hurt Deng but was going for the basketball instead. What a crock of ****. First off, Hinrich would never intentionally hurt anyone, its not the kind of player he is. The replay proves that. Secondly Posey has a pattern of this flagrant **** he pulls. He did in the playoffs, he broke Tyrus Thomas' nose on Opening Night and now this with Deng. I hope Stern suspends him for 5 games. I'm sick of seeing that.

[Ghostrider87]

You hear that bull**** that Riley was spewing afterwards? Saying that Hinrich was trying to injure Wade and that Posey wasn't trying to intentionally hurt Deng but was going for the basketball instead. What a crock of ****. First off, Hinrich would never intentionally hurt anyone, its not the kind of player he is. The replay proves that. Secondly Posey has a pattern of this flagrant **** he pulls. He did in the playoffs, he broke Tyrus Thomas' nose on Opening Night and now this with Deng. I hope Stern suspends him for 5 games. I'm sick of seeing that.

I agree. Is it me or do Flordia sports teams and their fans just hate losing so much that they have to make excuses that are not true. It seems they are sore losers. If Hinrich was going to try and injure a player he would try and do a better job. Hinrich was not trying to injure Wade so get over it and lets move on with the rest of season.

[Fran]

It's really sad to see Pat Riley, one of the best coaches all-time, stoop to this level.

He can't just say, "Dwayne hurt his wrist, etc." He has to blame the other team. :down

All the more reason for me to disrespect the Heat and Riley.

[Ben Urich]

Y'think Pat Riley is regretting his decision to return this season?

[Fran]

He should have gone out on top.

[Mister J]

I don't believe Hinrich tried to hurt anybody. He doesn't come across as that type of player. He might have grabbed his hand or jersey, but that's hardly surprising. That type of thing happens all the time when guys are chasing screens. The injury was just a bad result.

Riley's running his mouth because he knows they might see Chicago in the playoffs. He's trying to court favor for future matchups. It's no different than when he did stuff like this with the Lakers or Knicks or when Phil Jackson does the same (most notably calling Bruce Bowen a dirty player) or when Jeff Van Gundy popped off in a similar format when he coached the Knicks or even when he calls out refs today being against Yao. Coaches snipe at refs, players and whoever else in terms of gamesmanship all the time. This isn't anything new and it's not a big deal (unless you have some TV airtime or a sports column to write).

[Ben Urich]

Allen Iverson and the Nuggets are on national TV in another half hour :up:

[Mister J]

Iverson's been out of his mind with the assists in his brief Nuggets run. I wanna see what he and Stop Snitchin' can do together.

[Ben Urich]

37 shot attempts to 23 assists in his first two games. :up:

[Mister J]

Yeah, he's been damn efficient too. It's kinda scary.

[Ben Urich]

Damn, LastSunrise must be going nuts right now. Terry hits a long 3 to give the Mavs a one-point lead.

[batman44]

Come on Mavs, lets win this.

Edit: nice clutch shot by Dirk. MAVS WIN!!

[Ben Urich]

Dirk nails an 18-footer to give the Mavs the lead with 1.3 second remaining.

[batman44]

That was a good game.

[Mister J]

Looks like I missed out. I left with around 6 minutes left. The comics shop was a' callin'. SportsCenter will have to do.

[Ben Urich]

This Nuggets/Sonics game is fun to watch. Cheryl Miller having to look down to interview Earl Boykins at halftime is hilarious :woot:

[LastSunrise1981]

WOOOOOOOOO!!!! Mavericks win it tonight against a very tough and overrated Phoenix team.

I still don't like the Suns being close enough to win the game. Dallas is a better defensive team than Phoenix, so they need to crack down on Phoenix and their running game.

All in all a great game and I am very happy. :)

[Ben Urich]

The Nuggets look dangerous. Really dangerous. :wow:
Another double-double for the Answer: 44 and 10. :up:

Congratulations to George Karl for win no. 800 :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

If Carmelo and Iverson manage to work together without any feuding or drama the Nuggets will be more dangerous. It definitely makes them better than they were before, however, they cannot contend with San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix, or even Los Angeles(Lakers).

I am happy that Dallas won though. That was a true nail-biter and when Dirk hit the game winning shot I jumped from my seat, screamed, yelled, and celebrated like crazy. I truly believe this is the year that Dallas goes all the way and actually wins the championship.

This time $tern will not be able to stop the Mavericks. So get the officials ready $tern, the Mavs are coming to put egg on your face and the face of the officials.

Go Dallas!!!!!

[Ben Urich]

That was a tough shot Dirk hit, too. He wasn't really square to the basket; he had to pivot to the left to avoid Shawn Marion.

[Fran]

You're trying to talk reason. That doesn't work well in the Land of Sour Grapes. Even Mark Cuban believes this 'the league is rigged' stuff to be nonsense. Of course, I suppose it's entirely possible for a random, bitter Mavs fanboy to have more insight to the ongoings and particulars of the NBA than the outspoken owner of the very team that's allegedly been victimized. Then again, this is the same poster who believed that the league suddenly shifted the Finals to a 2-3-2 format solely to give Miami an advantage, when anybody remotely paying attention knows it's been that way for years (1985 actually).

Can anybody shoot me a link to any of these supposed accounts by NBA experts that point to some insidious plot to get Miami a ring, 'cause I missed them. As a matter of fact, when I check out a Heat game or read something in relation to the Finals, it's usually about what a superlative performance Wade put on and how the Heatians persevered as a team to win that series, but I've clearly drank the Kool-Aid. It's easier to believe the big, bad officials and the callous Commissioner are out to get you rather than your team chose the sport's biggest stage to eat a colossal peanut butter sandwich and choke a title away.

Trying to talk reason with Sunrise takes away from his entertainment value. We musn't make a habit of it. Now, quickly...

LOOK INTO THE FACE OF EVIL!!!
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2707/stern99nbab874qp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Post of the year.

[LastSunrise1981]

Post of the year.

What do you expect Cuban to say? You all can ridiculue all you want, but seriously, the league knows what happened, the Mavs knows what happened, the fans know what happened, and the the Heat knows what happened.

You have had MANY NBA experts on television talk about how the officials gave the series to Miami. Barkley, Kenny Smith, Hubie Brown, Stephen A. Smith, Reggie Miller, and even Magic Johnson said that something wasn't right and that it seemed odd how Wade was getting call after call, especially when no one was near him.

Stephen A. Smith even called out the Commissioner and said he must've been drinking tequila and even said the refs were drunk as well. You have a lot of analysts and NBA experts who question the legitimacy of the 2006 Finals.

Bottom line is the Mavericks did lose. But they lost because of the officials and conspiracy by $tern to try and keep the better team down. He was also accused of fixing the games in 2000, 2001, and 2002 when the Lakers were dominating the competition.

I find it hilarious that Farmer all of a sudden changes his tune because he's scared of Mister J. Farmer, you were whining and screaming during the summer too, you're no better than I am and don't say you did it to make me feel better because during those times I rarely posted.

Mister J, on the other hand, is just a typical bandwagon fan. He only became a fan when Shaq jumped on board and the Heat became popular again. He's the definition of a fickle fan and he'll stop being a fan when the Heat get knocked out of contention this year. Oh yeah, it'll be a pleasure watching your team lose too Farmer.

Nice win by the Mavericks last night. You'll be seeing that again, again, and again. Come the championships they'll be holding up the trophy while you, Mister J, and the other fickle fans of the NBA sit around whining, complaining, and screaming about the officials too. :yay:

[LastSunrise1981]

Source- http://www.truehoop.com/2006-playoffs-66501-the-story-of-the-2006-nba-finals-will-sadly-always-include-this.html

http://www.82games.com/game5refs.htm

Along with some quotes from fans, non-fans, and NBA experts who question the credibility of the NBA during and after the 2006 Finals.

As someone who loves the NBA, I hate that Bennett Salvatore played such a prominent role game five pictured above. I can't shake the feeling that it hurt the league's credibility just a little--not to mention outraging plenty of people (who would, it appears, be wise to appoint Avery Johnson as their avenger-in-chief).

Say what you will about Bill Simmons (I am blacklashing against the Sportsguy backlash), but he has covered this story really well over the years. And, he particularly goes after Salvatore. Why the NBA lets him referee in the finals, or at all, sparks every conspiracy theory in the books. I blame the NBA for that, they have the responsbility to avoid even the appearance that games are fixed.


I love the NBA also, but I have that nagging doubt in my mind that not everything is always on the level.
I know a lot of the hardcore NBA fans have that same doubt in their minds. I may be wrong, since I'm only a casual fan of football, baseball, and hockey -- but it doesn't seem like the NFL, MLB, or NHL have these same credibility problems, at least not nearly to this extent. Why is that?

I wish David Stern would credibly address these doubts in some forum. Better yet, I wish he'd come up with a systematic/random process of assigning referees for big games that would help restore the league's credibility on that issue.

Unless he's guilty, completely out of touch, or so arrogant he doesn't care, all the conspiracy theories and suspicions about his league must bother him. I believe officiating credibility is the league's #1 problem, well ahead of what kind of ball they play with and all the non-fundamentally sound young players.

[Fran]

I find it hilarious that Farmer all of a sudden changes his tune because he's scared of Mister J. Farmer, you were whining and screaming during the summer too, you're no better than I am and don't say you did it to make me feel better because during those times I rarely posted.

Wow, you really couldn't be anymore wrong.

Mister J and I have always been cool with each other. I've never been scared of him, he's never been scared of me. We've insulted each other's teams back and forth, but it's all in good fun. You just think that it's your opinion that only matters, and anyone else can just f*** off. You call me a fickle fan, a nobody? The same can be said for you.

During the summer I was whining and screaming :huh: I had a three-month absence from the boards, from March until late June 2006. AND, I never posted in the community forum until late August. So, your theory is void.

Seriously, I've only seen you go two posts without using "overrated" somewhere in it. Nice... :whatever:

[LastSunrise1981]

Wow, you really couldn't be anymore wrong.

Mister J and I have always been cool with each other. I've never been scared of him, he's never been scared of me. We've insulted each other's teams back and forth, but it's all in good fun. You just think that it's your opinion that only matters, and anyone else can just f*** off. You call me a fickle fan, a nobody? The same can be said for you.

During the summer I was whining and screaming :huh: I had a three-month absence from the boards, from March until late June 2006. AND, I never posted in the community forum until late August. So, your theory is void.

Seriously, I've only seen you go two posts without using "overrated" somewhere in it. Nice... :whatever:

I am far from a fickle fan. I've always been there for the team I support. I don't run away, hide, or switch sides when Dallas loses a game. I stand my ground and continue to support them regardless if they win or lose.

Fans like you and Mister J are fickle fans. You're only a fan of a team because they're popular or happened to win a championship the year before or the year after. As for you saying that only my opinion matters? Only when it pertains to the NBA finals. I don't expect a Miami fan to understand since they were given the trophy, but to fans who respect the game, respect the NBA, and so forth they understand what happened and understand why many fans, non-fans, and NBA experts question the integrity of the NBA.

Had Miami won the series fair and square I wouldn't be upset. I'd take it with stride and not question it. The fact that they won it due to questionable means is what makes me angry. Basketball in general shouldn't be compared to professional wrestling, but it is now, so why hasn't Stern addressed these comments? Why hasn't Stern cracked down on the NBA officials? Why hasn't Stern actually listened to fans and actually accept that the league's credibility is questioned more than ever.

It was questioned during the MJ reign, it was questioned during the Lakers dominance, and it's being questioned again now.

I will not shut up or back down because some fans tell me I'm whining or want me to shut up because they're upset by the truth.

[Fran]

I am far from a fickle fan. I've always been there for the team I support. I don't run away, hide, or switch sides when Dallas loses a game. I stand my ground and continue to support them regardless if they win or lose.

Fans like you and Mister J are fickle fans. You're only a fan of a team because they're popular or happened to win a championship the year before or the year after. As for you saying that only my opinion matters? Only when it pertains to the NBA finals. I don't expect a Miami fan to understand since they were given the trophy, but to fans who respect the game, respect the NBA, and so forth they understand what happened and understand why many fans, non-fans, and NBA experts question the integrity of the NBA.

Had Miami won the series fair and square I wouldn't be upset. I'd take it with stride and not question it. The fact that they won it due to questionable means is what makes me angry. Basketball in general shouldn't be compared to professional wrestling, but it is now, so why hasn't Stern addressed these comments? Why hasn't Stern cracked down on the NBA officials? Why hasn't Stern actually listened to fans and actually accept that the league's credibility is questioned more than ever.

It was questioned during the MJ reign, it was questioned during the Lakers dominance, and it's being questioned again now.

I will not shut up or back down because some fans tell me I'm whining or want me to shut up because they're upset by the truth.

In my previous post, I never told you to shut up. I was just proving that you were wrong to that extent.

Fickle fan? If I was a fickle fan, would I have dumped the Pistons after all the years of being in the dumps, before Dumars put the team together again? After they got swept by the Nets in '03? After they lost game 7 to the Spurs? After losing Game 6 to the Heat last year? Or after Ben left, would I have left cheering for them? Yes. But, I am committed to this team. You don't have the right to question my faith in this team.

Sometimes, the way you post, it seems like your opinion is it, no one else matters. The way you post makes it seem that way, and that's why we get on you.

I respect you, I respect everyone on this thread. But please, just stop calling teams overrated... it's getting really, really old. Detroit is doing better than most analysts expected, and is still a solid team.

[Ben Urich]

Jesus, Hedo. Just keep shooting 3s. :wow:
4-4 from 3 in the first quarter. :up:

[DarthRekal]

currentyl the Lakes are frickin tied with Charlotte..

what the eff is it with the bobcats.. last year they thumped on us too :cmad:

[Mister J]

Source- http://www.truehoop.com/2006-playoffs-66501-the-story-of-the-2006-nba-finals-will-sadly-always-include-this.html

http://www.82games.com/game5refs.htm

Along with some quotes from fans, non-fans, and NBA experts who question the credibility of the NBA during and after the 2006 Finals.

As someone who loves the NBA, I hate that Bennett Salvatore played such a prominent role game five pictured above. I can't shake the feeling that it hurt the league's credibility just a little--not to mention outraging plenty of people (who would, it appears, be wise to appoint Avery Johnson as their avenger-in-chief). Excellent

Say what you will about Bill Simmons (I am blacklashing against the Sportsguy backlash), but he has covered this story really well over the years. And, he particularly goes after Salvatore. Why the NBA lets him referee in the finals, or at all, sparks every conspiracy theory in the books. I blame the NBA for that, they have the responsbility to avoid even the appearance that games are fixed.


I love the NBA also, but I have that nagging doubt in my mind that not everything is always on the level.
I know a lot of the hardcore NBA fans have that same doubt in their minds. I may be wrong, since I'm only a casual fan of football, baseball, and hockey -- but it doesn't seem like the NFL, MLB, or NHL have these same credibility problems, at least not nearly to this extent. Why is that?

I wish David Stern would credibly address these doubts in some forum. Better yet, I wish he'd come up with a systematic/random process of assigning referees for big games that would help restore the league's credibility on that issue.

Unless he's guilty, completely out of touch, or so arrogant he doesn't care, all the conspiracy theories and suspicions about his league must bother him. I believe officiating credibility is the league's #1 problem, well ahead of what kind of ball they play with and all the non-fundamentally sound young players.
*slow clap*

That was beautiful. I love the ramblings of a loon who hurls accusations at other people's fandom as if he has some insight as to what team they've pulled for over the years. I marveled over the masterful inclusion of fan comments as proof of a rigged league. God knows, there's a source of factual info. How astute in pointing out that Mark Cuban is the type of person to hold his peace when he feels wronged. It's truly in keeping with what we've seen of him. I can barely contain myself with the swell of pride that I feel from continually being mentioned in the whiny, puerile hissyfits that Sunrise has so graced us with. Now if you'll all excuse me, I have to go out and purchase some Spurs, Suns and Pistons gear. The life of a bangwagoner isn't easy.

In closing, God bless America. :up:

[Ben Urich]

currentyl the Lakes are frickin tied with Charlotte..

what the eff is it with the bobcats.. last year they thumped on us too :cmad:

The Bobcats have beaten good teams: Cleveland, San Antonio, Detroit, and Utah.

[Mister J]

How is Charlotte doing this without Paul?

[Fran]

Chris Paul = New Orleans Hornets.

[Mister J]

Umm ...that would do it. Stupid Charlotte-Hornets relationship.

Allow me to rephrase ...How is Charlotte doing this at all?

[Ben Urich]

Adam Morrison is 1-11 with 2 points.
Rookie of the Year, my ass.

[Fran]

Oh Mister J, you and your drugs :)

[DarthRekal]

yeah but the bobcats beat us when we were a BAD team.. GAH!:cmad:

Kobe has 31 pts in the third??:wow:

anyone watching??? whats luke walton doing?:huh:

[Ben Urich]

Looks like the Magic are doing their customary 3rd-quarter flop. We've scored just 10 points so far in the period. :down

[Mister J]

Miami's different. They usually have one quarter where they play like absolute crap. They ought to run a fan promotion to guess which one it'll be. Today, it's apparently the 3rd quarter. 23-6 is ridiculous, I don't care if Flash is there or not. They had a lead at halftime.

[Ben Urich]

Well, it looks like the Magic are just going to have to outscore the Wizards to get the win.
- Magic play-by-play announcer David Steele.

Thanks, David. The key to victory is scoring more points than the other team. :dry:

[Ben Urich]

Damn, this has been an exciting game. Magic and Wizards tied at 108 with under a minute to go. :up:
Perhaps a playoff preview? :huh:

EDIT: Wizards take a two-point lead, the Magic counter with.... a Hedo Turkoglu turnaround from the left wing...?! :huh:

Jamison sinks two free throws, Wizards have a four-point lead with 12.7 to play. Way to blow it, guys. :down

[Ben Urich]

... and it somehow comes down to the final shot, which red-hot Keyon Dooling ends up bricking. :down

[Mister J]

There's always one extended defensive lapse that kills Miami. Wade needs to be in there tomorrow night against Orlando.

[Ben Urich]

The Heat could start Mourning's kidney at center and still beat the Magic.

[Mister J]

Not the way they've played defense as of late. Without Wade, the offense is pretty spotty. I was looking for Jason Kapono to continue to be hot from outside tonight, but whenever you find yourself hoping for key production for Jason Kapono, it's a sign your team has a problem.

[Ben Urich]

It's hard for me to believe the Magic can lose a game in which their bench scores 47 points. :huh:

Oh, and Grant Hill had to sit out for a large part of the game after hurting his foot. Arenas stepped on it... and Hill was called for the foul. :dry:

Here we go again. :csad:

[Mister J]

Miami built a 49-46 lead before the Nets began their 5 1/2-minute run. The Heat went 0-for-4 with eight turnovers during the spurt; New Jersey went 10-for-11 to take a 67-49 lead.
:dry:

[Jerry]

And the Bulls win yet again.

[Ghostvirus]

And the Bulls win yet again.

Everyone might want to get used to this phrase.:cwink:

[Jerry]

Did you see that game against the Bobcats? Holy dog ****, 115 -75!! Yeah I know its the Bobcats. but still.

[Ghostvirus]

Yeah I saw it. There have been quite a few games that they have done this. It is really frustrating. One day they blow a good team out of the water, & the next they lose to the Knicks! WTFx100! Tonight they play Cleveland. I really hope that they win. I would really like them to start beating quality teams. No crappy teams like Miami.:ninja:

[Mister J]

Yeah I saw it. There have been quite a few games that they have done this. It is really frustrating. One day they blow a good team out of the water, & the next they lose to the Knicks! WTFx100! Tonight they play Cleveland. I really hope that they win. I would really like them to start beating quality teams. No crappy teams like Miami.:ninja:
:cmad:

:csad:

:trans:

[Ben Urich]

Damn, this is basically an exhibition game between the Heat and the Magic.
No Shaq, no Wade, no J-Dub, no Hill...
I mean, we started Keith Bogans. Keith Bogans.

[Mister J]

Seriously. Earl Barron logged some PT in the first half ...Earl Barron.

[Ben Urich]

The Bobcats are handing it to the Pacers behind the hot shooting of Adam Morrison, who is 7-12 from the field and 10-11 from the line.
Jesus, guys. If you're going to let the Bobcats beat you, let it be Emeka Okafor or something. Adam Morrison?!

[Mister J]

Looks like the Magic are doing their customary 3rd-quarter flop. :down
Flop? There was no stinkin' third quarter flop tonight! :trans:

[Ben Urich]

Trevor Ariza is the ****ing TRUTH. :wow::up:

[Mister J]

Christ, Miami. :(

[Ben Urich]

Sorry, J. I'm glad to see the Magic win. Sucks that it had to come against your team.

[Mister J]

Hey, a win's a win. I was expecting Howard to destroy everything in sight. 18/10 isn't shabby, but I thought he'd have :wow: numbers. Of course, that doesn't really matter when you get a 29-point W.

I'm hoping that with 3 days off, Wade will be recovered enough to line up against the Clips.

[Ben Urich]

He only played the first 3 quarters.
I'm pissed that Dorrel Wright fouled Redick on that fast break. Dude, your team is down 20+, Redick's a rookie who doesn't get into any games and he's about to dunk, or at least have a lay-in. What's your problem?! :cmad::csad:

[Fran]

F***ing Pacers. :down

[Ben Urich]

F***ing Pacers. :down

Hey! :cmad:
Watch that! :cmad:
... :csad:

[Fran]

I didn't watch the game at all, or even see a single second of footage. Did Jackson/O'Neal win it?

[Ben Urich]

No, they blew it. Adam Morrison scored 30. :cmad::o

[Fran]

I'm talking about the 93-92 Pacers/Pistons game, Pacers winning...

[Ben Urich]

Oh.
No, there was a loose ball, some guy with a name that starts with O fouled Darrell Armstrong while they were both diving for it. Armstrong missed the first free throw but drilled the second, giving the Pacers the win.
It was Armstrong's only point of the game. :o

[Fran]

You mean Carlos Delfino.

[Ben Urich]

Close enough. :o
Armstrong is ****ing clutch. He was awesome with the Magic :up:

[Ghostvirus]

:cmad:

:csad:

:trans:

I kid! I Kid!:word: Seriously though. They are really sucking right now.

Edit: Bulls won again. :up:

[Ben Urich]

Hey, can someone explain to me why the hell Mike Miller is wearing this stupid thing:
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/f2/full.getty-71796905jm011_raptors_grizz_11_08_03_pm.jpg

I mean, does he moonlight as a lunch lady or something? :huh:

[Mister J]

I kid! I Kid!:word: Seriously though. They are really sucking right now.

Edit: Bulls won again. :up:
Oh, they're definitely stinking it out right now. They scored 68 in the entire game tonight and Sacramento scored 74 in a half. It's insane.

Your boys are looking good though.

[Ghostvirus]

Oh, they're definitely stinking it out right now. They scored 68 in the entire game tonight and Sacramento scored 74 in a half. It's insane.

I am starting to wonder if even when Fu-Master Flex comes back. Whether or not they can recover.

Your boys are looking good though.

Yes they are. Sadly though I was looking at there Schedule for January. Not good. I may need to stock up on beer to get through next months schedule.:csad:

[Jerry]

And the Bulls win yet again.

And again. What a crazy game. The Bulls score like 24 unanswered points to mount a comeback only to have the Cavs make a good run at them in the 4th quarter, but its too little too late.

[Ben Urich]

Ben Gordon is a beast off the bench. :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

The Mavs win their 9th straight. They play New Years Eve(which is today obviously).

Either way winning 9 straight is a great thing. I truly thought that after beating the Suns they'd lose one after beating a team that will be there in the playoffs.

Great win for the Mavs.

:up: :up:

They play the Nuggets today which might be a little tough since they won the last game. Hopefully they pick up the win to close out 2006 on a high note.

Go Mavs!

[Jerry]

^ *yawn*

[LastSunrise1981]

Oh I know, anytime the Mavs win people get pissed and don't want to take them seriously.

Get used to it. You'll be hearing Mavs win quite a bit from me during the season and the playoffs. Obviously they won't win every game, but don't be mad because the Mavs are winning. :)

I know nothing would thrill you more than to watch the Mavs just get beat up and humiliated by Miami again, Detroit, Chicago, Phoenix, San Antonio, or Los Angeles(Lakers).

Who knows, you may get what you want. Very, very unlikely though. :)

[Ben Urich]

The only reason you get such hostility is because you come off as kind of obnoxious. I'm not saying you are, necessarily, but sometimes it seems that way.
Nothing personal. :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

The only reason you get such hostility is because you come off as kind of obnoxious. I'm not saying you are, necessarily, but sometimes it seems that way.
Nothing personal. :up:

I admit that I am obnoxious. I'm only throwing back what was dished out at me after the Mavericks lost in the 2006 Finals. I had posters like Mister J and other fickle Heat fans rub it in, make fun of the fanbase, and so I'm only doing what was done to me on the board. I admit that I've done a lot of the same things and still do it from time to time.

The things I say on this board are pretty much how I feel about Mister J, Farmerfan, MC, Jerry, and a host of others. 99.9% of the time is pretty much exactly how I feel about the current state of the game, the fans of Miami, Chicago, and Detroit.

So if I come out really aggressive, harsh, and rude it's because I'm dealing to them what they dealt to me in the past and they just can't handle it.

So they'll just have to deal with it. :up: :yay:

But you're a cool guy so I've never really had a problem with you.

[Ghostvirus]

I admit that I am obnoxious. I'm only throwing back what was dished out at me after the Mavericks lost in the 2006 Finals. I had posters like Mister J and other fickle Heat fans rub it in, make fun of the fanbase, and so I'm only doing what was done to me on the board. I admit that I've done a lot of the same things and still do it from time to time.

The things I say on this board are pretty much how I feel about Mister J, Farmerfan, MC, Jerry, and a host of others. 99.9% of the time is pretty much exactly how I feel about the current state of the game, the fans of Miami, Chicago, and Detroit.

So if I come out really aggressive, harsh, and rude it's because I'm dealing to them what they dealt to me in the past and they just can't handle it.

So they'll just have to deal with it. :up: :yay:

But you're a cool guy so I've never really had a problem with you.

:whatever: :down:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/mutant_circus/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

FYI. This is the last time that I acknowledge your sorry a**. People that you mentioned have respect for the game. I have come to the conclusion that you have no knowledge of the game what so ever, so you need to spout off crap. To cover up that fact. Enjoy Gloating when they win, & blaming Stern when they lose.

[Mister J]

I admit that I am obnoxious. I'm only throwing back what was dished out at me after the Mavericks lost in the 2006 Finals. I had posters like Mister J and other fickle Heat fans rub it in, make fun of the fanbase, and so I'm only doing what was done to me on the board. I admit that I've done a lot of the same things and still do it from time to time.

The things I say on this board are pretty much how I feel about Mister J, Farmerfan, MC, Jerry, and a host of others. 99.9% of the time is pretty much exactly how I feel about the current state of the game, the fans of Miami, Chicago, and Detroit.

So if I come out really aggressive, harsh, and rude it's because I'm dealing to them what they dealt to me in the past and they just can't handle it.

So they'll just have to deal with it. :up: :yay:

But you're a cool guy so I've never really had a problem with you. What a bunch of crap. I didn't remember any of it going down like that, so I dug up last year's NBA thread. It was entirely civil with people (you included) joking around and actually talking basketball until you started tripping after Game 3 about a conspiracy. At that point, there were a couple of replies like 'you can't be serious.' Then after Game 4 (a game were Dallas didn't even bother to show up) you went into full-blown Oliver Stone mode and practically everybody started asking what you were on. After Game 5, you totally lost it, slinging personal insults, questioning people's fandom without knowing a thing about them, talking about putting people on ignore, more conspiracy talk, saying you were leaving the thread (only to recant time after time), flaming other Dallas fans because they didn't buy your ridiculous Evil Commissioner routine and Odin knows how many of your posts were full of asterisks. You were so ridiculously obnoxious that Morg came in and threatened to close the thread.

You were so out of control you actually apologized for your tirades before Game 6. There were several other posters there who were pulling for Dallas and they managed to act like rational, while disappointed, and hope for the best for their team. Any flak you caught was result of people finding your reasons why Dallas lost utterly hilarious and it was limited to that and limited to you. Additionally, none of it was as juvenile, unfounded or over the top as anything you posted.

[Fran]

LOL. Wow.

[LastSunrise1981]

What a bunch of crap. I didn't remember any of it going down like that, so I dug up last year's NBA thread. It was entirely civil with people (you included) joking around and actually talking basketball until you started tripping after Game 3 about a conspiracy. At that point, there were a couple of replies like 'you can't be serious.' Then after Game 4 (a game were Dallas didn't even bother to show up) you went into full-blown Oliver Stone mode and practically everybody started asking what you were on. After Game 5, you totally lost it, slinging personal insults, questioning people's fandom without knowing a thing about them, talking about putting people on ignore, more conspiracy talk, saying you were leaving the thread (only to recant time after time), flaming other Dallas fans because they didn't buy your ridiculous Evil Commissioner routine and Odin knows how many of your posts were full of asterisks. You were so ridiculously obnoxious that Morg came in and threatened to close the thread.

You were so out of control you actually apologized for your tirades before Game 6. There were several other posters there who were pulling for Dallas and they managed to act like rational, while disappointed, and hope for the best for their team. Any flak you caught was result of people finding your reasons why Dallas lost utterly hilarious and it was limited to that and limited to you. Additionally, none of it was as juvenile, unfounded or over the top as anything you posted.

I apologized because I tried to be the bigger person. I received no apologies for your rudeness, your malicious and ridiculous insults towards me and the fact that my favorite team lost.

You rubbed it in and continued to call me a moron for daring to speak out of what I thought was and is a conspiracy. Farmerfan is quite hysterical to pretend he never said any of the sort, as he was calling it a conspiracy as well, so the fact that he's changing his tune to look "cool" in front of you and MC is laughable.

Those "Dallas fans" were fake Dallas fans. They ran away like little girls when Dallas lost the finals and didn't stay like a true fan would. I stayed and withstood the multitudes of insults and Heat fans rubbing it in because their overrated team won the championships. It is then and it is now a conspiracy to try and keep Dallas away from the championships.

Detroit and Miami are overrated crap teams who just happened to be lucky in winning the championships. You're just mad because I speak the truth and you can't handle when people are speaking against your overrated team.

It'll be a joy to watch you, your fickle fanbase, and Stern cry your little eyes out when Dallas wins the West next year and wins the championship. And yes, anytime Dallas loses to a team that isn't better than them is a conspiracy. Except if they lose to the Utah Jazz. All the other teams out there can go to hell for all I care. :)

And yes, it was a conspiracy last year. Don't like it? Tough. I stand by my beliefs that it was a conspiracy to give the Heat the trophy because of calls going to Wade and calls going to Shaq. Of course, you don't find it odd because you're a Heat fan. I find it odd that the minute Shaq gets there all the calls go their way and they get all the publicity because of Shaq and Wade being labeled the newer version of Shaq and Kobe.

If you don't care why do you get so defensive about me saying these things?

The Heat's 2006 championship has an asterisk.

By the way, it's a joy watching your team get their asses handed to them with Wade, with Shaq, or even without them.

[LastSunrise1981]

:whatever: :down:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/mutant_circus/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

FYI. This is the last time that I acknowledge your sorry a**. People that you mentioned have respect for the game. I have come to the conclusion that you have no knowledge of the game what so ever, so you need to spout off crap. To cover up that fact. Enjoy Gloating when they win, & blaming Stern when they lose.

I know and understand the game. I know more basketball than your little mind can even comprehend. I've read everything basketball related involving the likes of Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Jerry West, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, George Gervin, Wilt Chamberlain, Willis Reed, Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Connie Hawkins, and everything that involves the old school and the new school.

When I posted information involving old school basketball and why it's more respected than the new school it was ignored. Why? Because fans like you, Mister J, Farmerfan, and Jerry don't respect old school games where there was no favortism for either team and both teams played in a competitive nature that showed on the floor. Now the games are more commercialized, fixed, and it's the most popular who gets the calls or wins the championships.

It's okay, when Dallas wins the championship next year you'll be crying about conspiracy too.

I have followed basketball since I was 9 years old and have followed it ever since then. Do not try to tell me that I do not know basketball and don't discuss it.

You're probably just a bandwagon fan who stopped being a Bulls fan when Jordan retired and only became a Bulls fan again because they're winning again.

[Mister J]

If you don't care why do you get so defensive about me saying these things? It's not being defensive. It's pointing to the transparency of your groundless ravings, which in all fairness, isn't that tasking. My primary rationale is to see what twisted rationale you reply with. Another part of it is I'm waiting for the proverbial Candid Camera to reveal itself because this has got to be some sort of act. Then again, I thought the same thing about JAL, Hooters Pimp and numerous other loons. I will admit, it's not as funny as it once was. :(
The Heat's 2006 championship has an asterisk. I didn't know you were the league's bookkeeper. Can you at least do me the favor of making sure that the foot up Dallas' ass in the 2005-2006 Archives is reflected as a size 15? Some quick research revealed to me that's Flash size. :up:
By the way, it's a joy watching your team get their asses handed to them with Wade, with Shaq, or even without them. I would hope so. With all the bellyaching you've done, you should gather some enjoyment out of watching Miami struggle. It's all good though. Wins and losses count the same, regardless of who's out there. There's nothing to do but take the lumps and hope it gets better. You can rest assured though, that however the season turns out for the Heatians (or Dallas, for that matter), you won't see me crying about perceived injustices, let alone six months afterwards, like a toddler who got weened off Similac too early.

I'll give it to you, Sunrise's Fantasyland provided more than a few laughs. Although I know you have no intention to, if you decide to give up the career in fiction, me, all the other bandwagon fans, the 'stupid newbie pieces of crap' and the other 'maggots who can die' will all be hanging out here talking some b-ball.

Go Heatians. :)

:trans:

[DarthRekal]

how long is wade out for J?


man we just lost Kwame too!:cmad::csad:

regarding the bobcats loss man why even take them to 3ot if you aint gonna show up... damn you bobcats and your stronghold over us!:cmad:


currently we are beating the sixers though . they look ALOT diff without AI

i guess i coulod update my sig we are that far ahead

[Mister J]

how long is wade out for J?


man we just lost Kwame too!:cmad::csad:

regarding the bobcats loss man why even take them to 3ot if you aint gonna show up... damn you bobcats and your stronghold over us!:cmad:


currently we are beating the sixers though . they look ALOT diff without AI

i guess i coulod update my sig we are that far ahead
It's been day to day since the injury, but he's expected to go Wednesday against the Clips. Today's also six weeks to the day of Shaq's surgery when the healing time was supposed to be 4-6 weeks. I haven't heard anything and I doubt he'll go before mid-January.

Sucks about Kwame. You guys are already thin in the post. Looks like more time for Bynum. But that's good stuff about Philly. They've picked it up as of late (which hardly makes sense).

What the status on Lamar's return?

Everybody say goodbye to the composite microfiber experiment (at least for now) and welcome back Ol' Leather. :D

[SoulManX]

I apologized because I tried to be the bigger person. I received no apologies for your rudeness, your malicious and ridiculous insults towards me and the fact that my favorite team lost.

You rubbed it in and continued to call me a moron for daring to speak out of what I thought was and is a conspiracy. Farmerfan is quite hysterical to pretend he never said any of the sort, as he was calling it a conspiracy as well, so the fact that he's changing his tune to look "cool" in front of you and MC is laughable.

Those "Dallas fans" were fake Dallas fans. They ran away like little girls when Dallas lost the finals and didn't stay like a true fan would. I stayed and withstood the multitudes of insults and Heat fans rubbing it in because their overrated team won the championships. It is then and it is now a conspiracy to try and keep Dallas away from the championships.

Detroit and Miami are overrated crap teams who just happened to be lucky in winning the championships. You're just mad because I speak the truth and you can't handle when people are speaking against your overrated team.

It'll be a joy to watch you, your fickle fanbase, and Stern cry your little eyes out when Dallas wins the West next year and wins the championship. And yes, anytime Dallas loses to a team that isn't better than them is a conspiracy. Except if they lose to the Utah Jazz. All the other teams out there can go to hell for all I care. :)

And yes, it was a conspiracy last year. Don't like it? Tough. I stand by my beliefs that it was a conspiracy to give the Heat the trophy because of calls going to Wade and calls going to Shaq. Of course, you don't find it odd because you're a Heat fan. I find it odd that the minute Shaq gets there all the calls go their way and they get all the publicity because of Shaq and Wade being labeled the newer version of Shaq and Kobe.

If you don't care why do you get so defensive about me saying these things?

The Heat's 2006 championship has an asterisk.

By the way, it's a joy watching your team get their asses handed to them with Wade, with Shaq, or even without them.

So I take it your not worry about The Spurs:ninja:

[Fran]

Farmerfan is quite hysterical to pretend he never said any of the sort, as he was calling it a conspiracy as well, so the fact that he's changing his tune to look "cool" in front of you and MC is laughable.

Detroit and Miami are overrated crap teams who just happened to be lucky in winning the championships. You're just mad because I speak the truth and you can't handle when people are speaking against your overrated team.

Okay. Time for me to say some things... But then again, I'm just a "fickle fan," RIGHT? SOOO I guess it really doesn't matter to you... right? :whatever:

I only said I thought the Finals were rigged ONCE. When I read up on it and read Mark Cuban's blog, I came to the conclusion that it wasn't. So, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CHANGE MY WORDING.

I've never changed my tone. You hardly know me as a poster, I only really recognized you a month ago. :huh:

It's stupid, blind-sighted fans like you that make the NBA a disgrace. Fans that think THEY are right, that THEY are #1. Fans that think EVERY OTHER TEAM SUCKS and is crap. That's just dispicable and idiotic. :down

Detroit was the UNDERDOG. A team that many thought the Lakers would sweep. HOW THE HELL CAN THEY BE CRAP? They were a TRUE team that overcame the odds. If Dirk doesn't score at least 20 a game, the Mavs are screwed most nights. And, getting to the Finals 2 years in a row, being 10 minutes away from a repeat doesn't really help your "crap team" statement.

You DO NOT speak the truth to everyone here. The only person believing your s*** theories is the one typing them.

You are wrong, LastSunrise1981. You are wrong on every facet, but you'll never believe you are, which is really sad. :csad:

Happy New Year s***head. :meow:

[LastSunrise1981]

Hahaha, New Years has gotten a lot better. The Mavs got their 10th win tonight without Dirk in the line-up. All you Detroit fans and Miami fans can just enjoy your misery while Dallas wins.

I know you don't want to take the Mavs seriously since you hate them.

Go Mavs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Farmerfan- You said the series was fixed more than once. You said Wade was a great actor and the officials were giving him the calls to help Miami.

[Fran]

Well, I sure as hell haven't said it as much as your sore-loser ass does.

It's farmerfran. Here, since I think your intelligence also has an * asterisk by it, let me spell it out for you:

f a r m e r f r a n

There ya go! You get a gold star for at least trying. :star:

[Ghostvirus]

Well, I sure as hell haven't said it as much as your sore-loser ass does.

It's farmerfran. Here, since I think your intelligence also has an * asterisk by it, let me spell it out for you:

f a r m e r f r a n

There ya go! You get a gold star for at least trying. :star:

My first LOL. Of the year.:oldrazz:

[Fran]

:up:

LastSunrise1981 is the Ghostrider87 of this thread.

(NOT a compliment, LS.)

[Mister J]

:up:

LastSunrise1981 is the Ghostrider87 of this thread.

(NOT a compliment, LS.)
You know, GR87 actually posted in here a couple of times after Miami dropped that last game to Chicago. I was excited at the prospect of more comedy, yet frightened by the utter absurdity that is Hooters Pimp. It was a very confusing time. :csad:

:trans:

[Fran]

Stop using the :trans:! I started it first!! :cmad:

:trans: fran :trans:

[Mister J]

Stop using the :trans:! I started it first!! :cmad:

:trans: fran :trans: Curse you and your infallible logic! That damn Transformers smiley is just so snazzy. I can't help it.








:trans:
I'm sorry. :(

[Fran]

You know, I could go on a rant about the Pistons loss... but I show respect for this thread :up:

[Fran]

Curse you and your infallible logic! That damn Transformers smiley is just so snazzy. I can't help it.








:trans:
I'm sorry. :(

All is forgiven. It is pretty damn awesome. We shall all use it.

:trans: fran :trans:

[Mister J]

You know, I could go on a rant about the Pistons loss... but I show respect for this thread :up:
I don't like all this Phoenix stuff at all. Mr. Big Shot wasn't out there tonight (and I believe he would have bodied Nash's ass up and slowed him considerably), but still. Everybody's tripping all over the Suns like their the NBA's version of the Transformers smiley (:trans:). Is it me or are these not the same Phoenix Suns who couldn't play enough defense to stop a group of little old ladies from crossing the street? They're fun to watch, Nash is a great PG, but there's a HUGE Achilles Heel there and nobody's talking about it. They get bounced in the playoffs as soon as they play an elite team with a semblance of an halfcourt offense and some D. Why should this year be any different? I can't envision a scenario (barring key injuries to San Antonio, Dallas and possibly some sleepers) where they get out of the West. They don't play defense well (if at all). It's ...it's just not right.

[Fran]

They're pretty much the same team from last year... no need for Nash to win 3 in a row.

[Ben Urich]

I'm not even bothering to read the flames anymore. -_-
Trevor Ariza is the ****ing truth :up:
It bears repeating.
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/22/full.getty-71796903fm008_heat_magic_1_23_37_am.jpg
One of the top 5 dunks of the year so far. I encourage you all to head over to NBA.com to see it. :up:

EDIT: And J, I'm sorry it has to be your guys in the background. When Diesel comes back and dunks in Howard's face, I won't feel bad if you post it. I'll have deserved it. :csad::up:

[Mister J]

They're pretty much the same team from last year... no need for Nash to win 3 in a row.
If that happens, I truly believe I'll suffer an aneurysm. Between this and last year's thread, I've *****ed about this no less than 5 times. I don't care who it is; Lebron, Duncan, Wade, Big Shot Chauncey, Yao, Iverson, Stop Snitchin', Dirk, Redd or whoever. Hell, give another one to Magic or Jordan. Steve Nash cannot win three MVPs in a row. He'll join Russell, Chamberlain and Bird as the only ones to pull the consecutive trifecta and that simply cannot be. I like his game (outside of the glaring absence of any defense), but again ...it's just not right.

[Mister J]

Trevor Ariza is the ****ing truth :up:
It bears repeating.

One of the top 5 dunks of the year so far. I encourage you all to head over to NBA.com to see it. :up:

EDIT: And J, I'm sorry it has to be your guys in the background. When Diesel comes back and dunks in Howard's face, I won't feel bad if you post it. I'll have deserved it. :csad::up:
I just want him back. :csad:

[Ben Urich]

I just want him back. :csad:

You know he makes them instant contenders again, right?
I mean, he is the only person in the history of the NBA who can offset the total lack of talent around him. Antoine Walker? He has negative talent. Negative.

[Mister J]

You know he makes them instant contenders again, right?
I mean, he is the only person in the history of the NBA who can offset the total lack of talent around him. Antoine Walker? He has negative talent. Negative.
Oh, I still believe this thing can get turned around. Even at 34, I like the Diesel's effect in the lineup. Wade's been phenomenal, Haslem's added to his offensive game, Zo is giving 20-25 minutes of hell every night and Dorell Wright and Jason Kapono have been more than pleasant surprises. It just all needs to come together soon. Seeing my boys like this is killing me.

As far as 'Toine goes, I really can't call it. It's incredible how ineffective he's been. Riles continues to say that he hasn't been replaced/demoted in the lineup; that it's all a matter of chemistry as to why Wright and Kapono are logging more minutes, but Walker needs to step it up. He just looks disinterested.

[Ben Urich]

Pfft. I don't buy Riley's bull**** on that one. "Chemistry." If Walker could hit a damn shot and get into playing shape, "chemistry" wouldn't be a problem.

I'm really worried about the Wizards in the Southeast. They give us problems. The last thing we need is for the division to go down-to-the-wire against both Washington AND Miami.

[Mister J]

Honestly, I expected Orlando to hit a wall later in the season (possibly after the All-Star break). Young and playoff inexperienced teams tend to do so. They started out like gangbusters, but teams started to gear up for them when they saw their success. Having somebody like Grant Hill around should help the younger guys get wrapped around it all, but it's like on the job training. Future (including immediate) looks good for them though.

Washington's tricky because of that damn Agent Zero (Arenas). Outside of that, they've still got Jamison and Caron (wish he could have stay in Miami). They're a dangerous team. They score a lot, but they give up a lot. The East is mess and outside of Detroit, nobody seems to want it. The remainder of the season will certainly be interesting.

Perusing ESPN, I just noticed that Avery Johnson became the fastest coach to reach 100 wins. Good for the Little General. Liked him as a player. Like him as a coach. :up:

[Ben Urich]

Honestly, I expected Orlando to hit a wall later in the season (possibly after the All-Star break). Young and playoff inexperienced teams tend to do so. They started out like gangbusters, but teams started to gear up for them when they saw their success. Having somebody like Grant Hill around should help the younger guys get wrapped around it all, but it's like on the job training. Future (including immediate) looks good for them though.

I agree. I think their strong start actually hurt them, in some ways, because now everyone's expectations are going to be a bit too high. They're a playoff team, but certainly not top-4 (Pistons, Bulls, Wizards, Raptors [by virtue of leading their division :cmad:]). Their weakness has pretty much been exposed, at this point: they cannot beat a zone defense. Everyone expected Redick to have an immediate impact busting zones, but even when he gets into the game, he's not willing to take a shot. I mean, I'd wager he has more pump fakes than field goal attempts. The only player who can do anything against a zone is Ariza, and it has nothing to do with shooting skills: he straight-up drives around everybody and dunks. That's his move. He goes to the basket.

Howard's also been limited lately, mainly because the double- and triple-teams are forcing him out of his comfort zone. He hasn't developed the post skills to get around those, and until he does, we're going to have to hope he can pass out of them and find a decent jump shooter.

Washington's tricky because of that damn Agent Zero (Arenas). Outside of that, they've still got Jamison and Caron (wish he could have stay in Miami). They're a dangerous team. They score a lot, but they give up a lot. The East is mess and outside of Detroit, nobody seems to want it. The remainder of the season will certainly be interesting.

That trio is deadly. I would not want to face them in the playoffs.
And Caron Butler deserves an all-star berth. He won't get in through fan vote, but I think he's making enough noise that the coaches might notice and let him in. And as much as I'd like to say that the Wizards can't go anywhere without defense... well, look at last year's Mavs.

Perusing ESPN, I just noticed that Avery Johnson became the fastest coach to reach 100 wins. Good for the Little General. Liked him as a player. Like him as a coach. :up:

I like him, too. He's a sharp dresser. :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't like all this Phoenix stuff at all. Mr. Big Shot wasn't out there tonight (and I believe he would have bodied Nash's ass up and slowed him considerably), but still. Everybody's tripping all over the Suns like their the NBA's version of the Transformers smiley (:trans:). Is it me or are these not the same Phoenix Suns who couldn't play enough defense to stop a group of little old ladies from crossing the street? They're fun to watch, Nash is a great PG, but there's a HUGE Achilles Heel there and nobody's talking about it. They get bounced in the playoffs as soon as they play an elite team with a semblance of an halfcourt offense and some D. Why should this year be any different? I can't envision a scenario (barring key injuries to San Antonio, Dallas and possibly some sleepers) where they get out of the West. They don't play defense well (if at all). It's ...it's just not right.

I am not going to rant about the officiating. I will say that Phoenix's problem is that they don't really preach defense. They always have a great regular season because they can run, fast break, shoot a lot of three pointers, and have athletic amazing dunks on the breakway.

But when the playoffs come they fail miserably. It's one of the reasons why I'm shocked the Lakers didn't beat them in Round 1. It's common knowledge that when a team plays Phoenix in a half-court setting for 48 minutes or more, along with the pace being slown down to a reasonale tempo, Phoenix clearly shuts down physically and mentally as they're not used to having to play an actual set up offense.

As far as defense is concerned they're decent. Raja Bell, Amare, and Marion are your better defenders on the team. They're physical, athletic, and know how to shut players down at times, but they can't lay defense all the time by themselves.

Dallas, as much as I love them, I don't feel their defense is as good as it needs to be. It's decent, but it can always be better. The fact that the Suns were able to play close to them in the regular season is what bugs me a little bit. I was never sold on the Suns to begin with as I knew and still know that come Playoff time the results will be the same.

I think they got away with it when Nash returned to the team because he had something to prove and he got his revenge on Dallas.

[DarthRekal]

If that happens, I truly believe I'll suffer an aneurysm. Between this and last year's thread, I've *****ed about this no less than 5 times. I don't care who it is; Lebron, Duncan, Wade, Big Shot Chauncey, Yao, Iverson, Stop Snitchin', Dirk, Redd or whoever. Hell, give another one to Magic or Jordan. Steve Nash cannot win three MVPs in a row. He'll join Russell, Chamberlain and Bird as the only ones to pull the consecutive trifecta and that simply cannot be. I like his game (outside of the glaring absence of any defense), but again ...it's just not right.


Happy New Year Yall!!!!


First off

J- in response to this post... you forgot mamba hate to be a homer but he's picking it up slowly but surely ... last night he became the fourth leading scorer in the league and that SURe to go up.. since Lamar(answer to one of your other ?) isnt due back til mid to late this month.... If the "SHOW" makes it to one of the top 4 seeds and Kobe continues to put up numbers... he has a pretty good assist total too.. his filed goal percntg is up and so is his 3pt percentge...people have to stop hating on this guy.. honestly he should have won last year... the state of the lakes was deplorable but he single handedly carried us to the dance thats when we started playing like a team... also now with kwame down it means more time for bynum and turiaf which i like but i dont like the lack of depth as you pointed out :csad:

also i think you're right about phoenix...
but i think orlando will be fine.. i think they will make it to the dance


lastly i hated when we traded caron too... excellent character great teammate and a real baller... real class act... but we had a glut at the two and three at the time... he will always be a laker..he still gets cheered here...sucks that arenas doesnt he's an angelino

ben- dont worry the magic will be fine .. with a beast in the middle like howard and some decent guard play in the east anything can happen man... and dont be sad about the heat gettin whooped ..im not :oldrazz:
J is my boy and i wish him well but war is hell man! and no other team do i want to lost more than the heat.. because they have OUR center... damn you shaq and your hall of fameness


lastsunrise-dont bring up that laker loss it still kills me... one of the worst collapses in our history

[Eddie Brock]

the Sixers gotta stop winning....we're missing our chance at the 1st pick!
(of course next game should be interesting....Iverson VERSUS Sixers)

[Ghostvirus]

The Bulls play the Suns tomorrow. Should be interesting. Good Defense V.S. Good Offense.

[Ben Urich]

I wish they'd start Ben Gordon so Trevor Ariza could get serious consideration for Sixth Man of the Year.
Right now, I mean, just give to to Ben Gordon. Seriously.

[Lobo]

I wish they'd start Ben Gordon so Trevor Ariza could get serious consideration for Sixth Man of the Year.
Right now, I mean, just give to to Ben Gordon. Seriously.
I agree, but because I want David lee considered for 6th man of the year

[Ghostvirus]

I wish they'd start Ben Gordon so Trevor Ariza could get serious consideration for Sixth Man of the Year.
Right now, I mean, just give to to Ben Gordon. Seriously.

The reason why they don't start Gordon. Is because they already tried that last year, & part of this year. It didn't work out that well. A couple of seasons ago he got Sixth man. I think Skiles, & Gordon realized that he is best suited coming off the bench instead of starting.

[Mister J]

I am not going to rant about the officiating. I will say that Phoenix's problem is that they don't really preach defense. They always have a great regular season because they can run, fast break, shoot a lot of three pointers, and have athletic amazing dunks on the breakway.

But when the playoffs come they fail miserably. It's one of the reasons why I'm shocked the Lakers didn't beat them in Round 1. It's common knowledge that when a team plays Phoenix in a half-court setting for 48 minutes or more, along with the pace being slown down to a reasonale tempo, Phoenix clearly shuts down physically and mentally as they're not used to having to play an actual set up offense.

As far as defense is concerned they're decent. Raja Bell, Amare, and Marion are your better defenders on the team. They're physical, athletic, and know how to shut players down at times, but they can't lay defense all the time by themselves.

Dallas, as much as I love them, I don't feel their defense is as good as it needs to be. It's decent, but it can always be better. The fact that the Suns were able to play close to them in the regular season is what bugs me a little bit. I was never sold on the Suns to begin with as I knew and still know that come Playoff time the results will be the same.

I think they got away with it when Nash returned to the team because he had something to prove and he got his revenge on Dallas.
"They don't really preach defense" - that pretty much nails it. It's like they don't care. Phoenix gives up way too many points and is soft in the interior. An efficiently run halfcourt setup kills them. It's a glaring weak spot, has been for a while and gets exploited come May. I don't understand why this isn't talked about more.

Dallas' defense has looked pretty good the handful of times I've seen them. Their numbers for FG% defense and allowed points are top tier. Avery's really made that a focal point since he took over the top spot. Although, I can understand you wanting to see them ratchet it up even more for the title run.

J- in response to this post... you forgot mamba hate to be a homer but he's picking it up slowly but surely ... last night he became the fourth leading scorer in the league and that SURe to go up.. since Lamar(answer to one of your other ?) isnt due back til mid to late this month.... If the "SHOW" makes it to one of the top 4 seeds and Kobe continues to put up numbers... he has a pretty good assist total too.. his filed goal percntg is up and so is his 3pt percentge...people have to stop hating on this guy.. honestly he should have won last year... the state of the lakes was deplorable but he single handedly carried us to the dance thats when we started playing like a team... also now with kwame down it means more time for bynum and turiaf which i like but i dont like the lack of depth as you pointed out :csad: Yikes. It must subconscious with me. I didn't intend to leave Mamba's name off the 'Anyone Other Than Nash' list. I really don't have any gripes with him this year. He's shooting a career high FG%, the assists are good, D's never been a problem and they're winning. Bryant's also made notable efforts to be a better teammate. It's alot more than the Mamba Show these days. Not really a lot of material for me to snipe at him about ...outside of when he said he doesn't think Arenas has a conscious to jack up shots like does. That was comedic gold. :D
no other team do i want to lost more than the heat.. because they have OUR center... damn you shaq and your hall of fameness No doubt. Kupchak's on my Christmas list. No way that relationship should have deteriorated to that point, but the greedy Heatian fan loves it.:oldrazz:
The Bulls play the Suns tomorrow. Should be interesting. Good Defense V.S. Good Offense. I believe it's another sign of my ever-growing problem with Phoenix that leads me to openly hope Chicago beats them soundly.

If hell freezes over and Phoenix goes all the way, I'm gonna need counseling.:csad:

[Fran]

J, go to the NFL thread.

[LastSunrise1981]

"They don't really preach defense" - that pretty much nails it. It's like they don't care. Phoenix gives up way too many points and is soft in the interior. An efficiently run halfcourt setup kills them. It's a glaring weak spot, has been for a while and gets exploited come May. I don't understand why this isn't talked about more.

Dallas' defense has looked pretty good the handful of times I've seen them. Their numbers for FG% defense and allowed points are top tier. Avery's really made that a focal point since he took over the top spot. Although, I can understand you wanting to see them ratchet it up even more for the title run.
Yikes. It must subconscious with me. I didn't intend to leave Mamba's name off the 'Anyone Other Than Nash' list. I really don't have any gripes with him this year. He's shooting a career high FG%, the assists are good, D's never been a problem and they're winning. Bryant's also made notable efforts to be a better teammate. It's alot more than the Mamba Show these days. Not really a lot of material for me to snipe at him about ...outside of when he said he doesn't think Arenas has a conscious to jack up shots like does. That was comedic gold. :D
No doubt. Kupchak's on my Christmas list. No way that relationship should have deteriorated to that point, but the greedy Heatian fan loves it.:oldrazz:
I believe it's another sign of my ever-growing problem with Phoenix that leads me to openly hope Chicago beats them soundly.

If hell freezes over and Phoenix goes all the way, I'm gonna need counseling.:csad:

I think the reason why the Phoenix problem isn't addressed is because teams, experts, and fans know that they're nothing more than a regular season team that scores a lot points and plays little to no defense.

Sure, it's fun and exciting to watch fast breaks, crazy three pointers, and athletic displays that make them an exciting team. But come the playoffs what do they have to offer? Phoenix is absolutely horrible when it comes to playing a half-court offensive/defensive setting and their first three games with the Lakers proved it. I know Rekal hates being reminded of this, but seriously, the Lakers showed that once you slow down the pace and force them to actually set up their players rather than running they'll fold quicker than Chris Webber did in Michigan.

If they face the Lakers in Round one again, I expect the Lakers to beat them soundly and send them home packing. Phoenix, in my opinion, isn't good enough to beat San Antonio, Dallas, and definitely not Utah. You know for sure that Utah would really humiliate Phoenix if they were to play in the playoff opener.

Dallas I believe will win it all this year. They're playing great ball and they seem to be motivated by the failures of last year. I still believe the series was rigged and all, but from the perspective that I'm looking at, they seem to be playing with a new sense of motivation instead of having a subpar regular season like most teams have when they get close to the championships.

[Fran]

I like the Chris Webber shot, LS :up:

[Ben Urich]

http://static.flickr.com/27/93628583_d301537c0f_m.jpg

[Fran]

:up:

Bastards..

[L.A.]

2006-07 Power Rankings: Week 9
RANK (LAST WK) TEAM REC. COMMENT
1 (2) Mavericks 24-7 Cowboys have, what, one significant W in the Romo Era? The real title contender in town, meanwhile, rolls along with zero hoopla, even at 24-3 since that 0-4 start.
2 (1) Suns 21-8 Here's why a 15-game win streak is big no matter who Suns played: 15 teams in this league, including all five in the Atlantic, don't even have 15 wins yet.
3 (3) Spurs 23-8 If you were waiting for Pop's annual December rant about his team's lack of toughness, you got it at Christmas when he said Spurs have lost ''passion'' for D.
4 (5) Jazz 22-9 I know someone who isn't impressed with the five-game Northwest Division lead Jazz are taking into the New Year. Sloan's not afraid to tell them so, either.
5 (9) Rockets 19-12 In the event T-Mac's back has somehow been cured by that new specialist -- assuming chronic back woes can be cured -- maybe Yao's latest setback isn't a crisis.
6 (7) Wizards 17-13 Wiz fans should be thanking me for picking Redd over Arenas for East MVP of Trimester 1. We all know Arenas lives off snub fuel and he'll surely be inhaling this.
7 (8) Bulls 19-12 He might not like it, but this is why Bulls have to do what's best for them and use Gordon as a sixth man: Little Ben has scored 20 or more in 11 of his last 12 games.
8 (4) Pistons 18-11 Maybe they got away with one versus Nets, but Pistons would say things have more than evened out with narrow losses to Knicks and Pacers and Billups' getting hurt.
9 (6) Lakers 20-11 Phil has said plenty about Kwame lately, but make no mistake. Lakers need him back from Sunday's ankle sprain ASAP, only 10 games (5-5) into life without Odom.
10 (11) Pacers 17-15 Losing at home to Bobcats, right after winning in Detroit, was doubly discouraging for Indy, keeping it from going four games over .500 for the first time all season.
11 (17) Bucks 16-15 It was Redd's trimester -- you can't convince me otherwise -- but December also belonged to Mo Williams: 19.9 ppg, 6.6 apg, 5.8 rpg and 48.9-percent shooting.
12 (12) Warriors 16-16 Warriors contribute to the MIP muddle as much as anyone with three big progress-makers of their own: Ellis, Biedrins and the out-of-nowhere Matt Barnes.
13 (14) Cavaliers 17-12 Is this is a sign he's turning it up a notch? LeBron scores 30 or more in four of his final six games as a 21-year-old, after a run of seven straight games under 30.
14 (13) Nuggets 16-12 This doesn't happen every day: Camby's return from injury to team up with Iverson means Nuggets now have the top two picks from the 1996 draft in their lineup.
15 (10) Magic 18-14 Magic's darling status is gone, just like that, after they followed up a magical November (12-4) with a 6-10 mark in December, including five losses at home.
16 (19) Clippers 14-16 Funny how that works. Clips finally hook up with a couple East teams (Celts and Knicks) and suddenly have their first three-game win streak since starting 5-1.
17 (18) Timberwolves 13-15 If he's not going to be dealt away for Iverson, might as well give him the rock: Foye enters 2007 coming off his best five-game stretch so far, averaging 14.6 ppg.
18 (21) Kings 13-15 Pressing questions for 2007: Will Artest and/or Bibby last the season in Sac? And whose gold jersey will turn off more viewers: Sacramento's or Washington's?
19 (20) Raptors 13-18 Here's one Atlantic team with no need to apologize. Raps have played more road games than anyone (19) and are 6-6 w/out Bosh, compared to 1-11 last season.
20 (16) Heat 13-17 News flash: If D-Wade can't shake this wrist thing fairly soon, Shaq needn't rush back. Heat's title defense, without those two, would be over before the playoffs start.
21 (15) Trail Blazers 13-18 A 1-4 finish took some shine off Portland's surprising December, but I'm guessing Roy's return for the last six games cushions the blow somewhat. Doesn't it?
22 (22) SuperSonics 13-19 Rashard is out until February or March, true, but it wouldn't be all that surprising if Hill follows Fratello as the next coach to be ousted. Would it?
23 (25) Nets 13-18 Even without Krstic, Nets still have enough to win the Titanic . . . if Vince does more than we've seen in the past 10 games, six of them under the 20-point plateau.
24 (26) Knicks 13-20 If they remember anything fondly about a calendar year marked by two brawls -- Larry vs. Isiah and Knicks vs. Nuggets -- it'll be their 3-0 record in triple-OT games in 2006.
25 (29) Bobcats 9-21 When Carroll scores 27, Emeka rings up 22 and 25 and Stache comes back with 30 in Indy to complete a sweep of Lakers and Pacers, you can live with Kobe's 58.
26 (23) Hornets 12-18 Losing Peja, D-West and now Paul is a hideously painful run. But the deeper worry: Peja might have a season-ending back injury to go with that new contract.
27 (24) Celtics 10-19 No wins in five games since losing Pierce. No time to adjust to the old leather ball before Monday night's game in Portland. Not a very happy New Year, in other words.
28 (27) Grizzlies 7-25 What a difference a year (and a healthy Pau) makes. Fratello had the NBA's fourth-best record on Dec. 26, 2005, at 16-9. Just 367 days later, Grizz had a new coach.
29 (30) 76ers 8-22 This seven-game trip out West comes at a good time for Sixers fans rooting for extra ping-pong balls in the lottery. Not an easy place to find post-trade momentum.
30 (28) Hawks 9-20 Hawks' 4-1 start suddenly looks as meaningful as Philly's 3-0 launch. They've lost five in a row by double digits since blowing a 21-point lead at home to Utah on Dec. 20.

[DarthRekal]

how are we not ranked ahead of HOUSTON? didnt we own them twice?

[Ghostvirus]

How the F***k is Chicago in seventh?!?! They went 14-3 in december. This is a F-ing outrage man! OUTRAGE!!!!

[DarthRekal]

How the F***k is Chicago in seventh?!?! They went 14-3 in december. This is a F-ing outrage man! OUTRAGE!!!!


yeah i woulda put them ahead of the wiz and rox

[Jerry]

The reason why they don't start Gordon. Is because they already tried that last year, & part of this year. It didn't work out that well. A couple of seasons ago he got Sixth man. I think Skiles, & Gordon realized that he is best suited coming off the bench instead of starting.

If he were only about 5 inches taller and more consistent. But off the bench Ben Gordon can change the game. I remember a few times last season, once where he hit like 4 or 5 three pointers to beat, I think the Wizards maybe? Can't remember, but it was all in the fourth quarter. Then on his birthday he hit the game-winning shot at the buzzer, and Johhny "Red" Kerr starts screaming "OH BEN! OH BEN!! OH BEN! THATS GAME!!"

[Ben Urich]

The Clippers are wearing their blue alternate jerseys. Hot. :up:

[L.A.]

The Clippers are wearing their blue alternate jerseys. Hot. :up:
Those are my fav clipper jerseys! But seriously if there going to continue to play this well with those jersey's continue to wear it ****!

[Ghostvirus]

Suns 28
Bulls 40!

I figured if the Bulls won. It would be a Slobber Knocker. Its only in the second quarter, but dang!

[Jerry]

Bulls up 12 at half. We gotta get Luol Deng in that goddamn All Star game. Nice to see the Bulls be able to play these teams pretty well without Captain Kirk.

[Mister J]

Chicago's defense is lights out tonight. They've held Phoenix to 39% shooting, when the bastards average 50% (which is insane by the way).

[Ben Urich]

Magic rally to defeat the Clippers. :up:
Jameer Nelson scores a season-high 29 in the victory. :up:

[Ghostvirus]

:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[Jerry]

It was weird, just after the Bulls lost as Barbosa hit an impossible shot that he will never again hit if he had 10 more tries in that situation, my screwy satellite decided to switch channels to AMC where Ken Watanabe in the Last Samurai, who looks like an Asian Ben Gordon, was dying and uttered his last words
"They are all purrffect.."

I take that as a sign of some sort.

[Ben Urich]

Damn, the Sixers beat the Nuggets.

[Mister J]

Iverson got tossed with a little unde 2 minutes left, but I think the game was pretty much decided.

Seems like Seattle forgot there was a second half tonight ...or they actually did remember and it just didn't matter. Damn.

[Ben Urich]

God, the Sonics are awful.

[LastSunrise1981]

Awful or not, a win is a win and the Mavs won their 11th straight game. I am happy to see them on the winning road.

Go Mavs!

:up: :up:

[Ghostvirus]

It was weird, just after the Bulls lost as Barbosa hit an impossible shot that he will never again hit if he had 10 more tries in that situation, my screwy satellite decided to switch channels to AMC where Ken Watanabe in the Last Samurai, who looks like an Asian Ben Gordon, was dying and uttered his last words
"They are all purrffect.."

I take that as a sign of some sort.

LOL!

I guess the fact that they went toe to toe with the 2007 western conference champs (yeah I said it) means something.:csad:

[Ben Urich]

I didn't realize that the Mavs were so good on defense: only 88 ppg allowed in December. :wow:

[LastSunrise1981]

There's no way the Bulls should've lost to Phoenix. As much as I hate the Bulls, I hate the Suns more as they're the true definition of overrated and if they happen win it's usually a stroke of luck that goes their way for the night.

In the end Chicago is the better team and if they ever met in a championship situation Chicago would win hands down.

[Mister J]

I can't believe Barbosa hit the shot, nor how they came back in the 4th. They'll still flop in May.

[LastSunrise1981]

I can't believe Barbosa hit the shot, nor how they came back in the 4th. They'll still flop in May.

Depending on who they face. If they face the Clippers or Houston in the first round they might get by. If they face the Lakers, Dallas, San Antonio, or Utah in the First Round then they're screwed.

They're screwed either way. Getting out of the first round means running into the San Antonio, Utah, Los Angeles(Lakers), or Dallas. But you're correct when you say the results will remain the same as they had the same thought process that the Mavs had in 2001, 2002, and 2003.

Defense wins championships and we all know Phoenix can't play a lick of defense.

[DarthRekal]

:up: Damn, the Sixers beat the Nuggets.


yup mavs are on a win streak hope it continues til SUNDAY!:woot:

stupid bulls cmon guys..help us out!:word:

[Fran]

My poor Pistons... Billups is hurt :csad: :csad:

[Ben Urich]

Oh man, poor Mister J. :csad:
Pat Riley takes a leave of absence due to health issues. :csad:

[LastSunrise1981]

Wow, I'm looking at Dallas schedule this week and there are some tough games coming up. Tomorrow they play the Pacers, the next night it's the Spurs, Sunday night it's the Lakers, and the Jazz on the 9th.

If they can win the Pacers game and win the next night against the Spurs it will be a great thing. Either way it's going to be a tough test for them and I really hpe they win all of them.

The true test will be the Spurs, Lakers, and the Jazz though.

[Ben Urich]

What do you mean 'if' they can beat the Pacers? :csad:

[DarthRekal]

if we beat you on sunday sunrise..it would be amazing in all honesty.. we are without odom AND kwame now....:csad:

billups is gonna hurt you AND me fran.. he's on my fantasy :csad:


oh and poor mister j!:woot: :oldrazz:

[LastSunrise1981]

What do you mean 'if' they can beat the Pacers? :csad:

The Pacers are one of those teams that can win in a surprising fashion and they can definitely put up a fight.

@Rekal- Don't count the Lakers out. You guys stil have Kobe, Walton, Bynum, and Parker. All are very capable of playing their hearts, souls, and minds out to gain a victory. Just because they don't have Odom or Kwame doesn't make them any less of a threatening team as stranger things have definitely happened.

All of them are tests because Dallas can't let their guard down and they need to play with the same intensity, energy, and motivation that they've been playing with recently. I will say this though, I hope the Miami Heat have all of their players back and their coach back on the 21st. I don't want to hear any excuses from the Heat fanbase if Dallas wins the game on the 21st.

[DarthRekal]

oh no doubt sunrise... i still think we got a chance..but i see it remotely slipping away now..kwame and odam are OUR DEFENSE..thats it..kobe lacks lateral movement(knee injury)..smush is a turnstile.... and walton is good but undersized and bynum is still a baby as is farmar..... only mo evans i think is an NBA caliber defender.... so either we OUTSCORE you..with all your weapons its hard..UNLESS MAMBA BLOWS UP...or we stop you..see reasons for doubt above...

the defense revolves around odom and kwame... :csad:

this is a SERIOUS blow to us..i think we will ultimatley stay afloat as jackson has our heads right... but we wont be able to CONTEND til odom comes back as he is first due back...

i still think we will put up a fight on sunday and hopefully pull it off..but right now you gotta say we are the underdog(more so now than before as you guys were a better TEAM already)

[DarthRekal]

upon further review.. i think riley is PUNKING out... take your ball and go home riles ...


he punked out on the knicks before too..its not beneath him:o :cmad: :trans:

[DarthRekal]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2718996

Walker, Posey don't meet conditioning goals, must sit




mister j you might as well put a jersey and get on the court brother...

theres noone else playing or even in the building tonight



NOFX- if you're team dont win tonight you're bums brother:woot:

[L.A.]

NOFX- if you're team dont win tonight you're bums brother:woot:
Arghhhh! :mad:

[DarthRekal]

:wow: dude they have no coach no wade no shaq


they are only suiting 10 players.. how can you NOT WIN!???


and you barely took the lead right now :cmad: :woot: :whatever:

[DarthRekal]

clippers finally getting it done!:yay:


i almost.... ALMOST feel bad for miami:woot:

[Mister J]

What the hell? No Wade. No Shaq. Posey and Walker get benched for conditioning issues. Riles goes have surgery to scope out his knee and fix up his hip? Goddamn. When it rains, it pours and it's a friggin' torrential downpour right now.

*looks at the Clippers score*

Ouch!

Riles' hip/knee has been nagging him for a while now. He's wanted to hold it off until the offseason, but the rumor mill says he aggravated the situation by kicking a door or something after that beatdown at the hands of the Magic. He'll be back on the bench. From what I hear, he's planning to be in contact with the team during the rehab.

It's a blast from the past with Rothstein taking the reins. Granted, those days weren't very prosperous.

Between all this and Saban hauling ass for Alabama, it's been a pretty ****ty day, but it'll get better ...it has to.