2006-2007 NBA Thread

[DarthRekal]

let the healing begin!:up: :)



what is your team gonna do this offseason.... what do you want them to do??????


will the Heat Repeat?


can the Mavs keep their team together?


What about the debacle that is the PISTONS????


Lets not talk about the Knicks(sorry equint) :)


Most of all How bout them LAKERS!:up: :D

[Equint77]

let the healing begin!:up: :)



what is your team gonna do this offseason.... what do you want them to do??????


will the Heat Repeat?


can the Mavs keep their team together?


What about the debacle that is the PISTONS????


Lets not talk about the Knicks(sorry equint) :)


Most of all How bout them LAKERS!:up: :D

you'd actually be doing me a favor. :confused:



:(

[DarthRekal]

is larry really a dead man walking??????

are you guys gonna be trading steph or francis??????



who do you think you guys draft????

[Equint77]

is larry really a dead man walking??????

are you guys gonna be trading steph or francis??????



who do you think you guys draft????

He's deader than dead

my wish would be to trade them into the sun. :(

LOL @ number 20 and 29???? After the season we had????
I have a better chance of Lohan mounting me tonight than the Knicks gettting anyone useful.. but then again they picked up David Lee at 29 last year so who knows. :o

[Darthphere]

Heat can repeat, if they will is another question.

[Lobo]

Steph will be tarded and the knicks will be better, but then again how could they get worse ? :(

[DarthRekal]

its a shame really you guys have some decent young talent ... if you guys can miraculously clear some cap you could be a force....

[Equint77]

its a shame really you guys have some decent young talent ... if you guys can miraculously clear some cap you could be a force....

that's what they were going for till they decided to bring in Jalen Rose and Francis. :confused:

WHAT THE ****?!?!???!!

[DarthRekal]

Heat can repeat, if they will is another question.

yeah i thinkso too... but someteams will be stronger next year i.e phoenix...cleveland.... the bulls.. and the wiz....


the thing about the heat (no more hate from me) is what about wade they HAVE TO extend or sign him at max..with him and shaq..it will make them lakers v.2 no cap room.... hope riles is as good a gm as west was

[DOG LIPS]

Knicks need to fire all their players and get KG. Then they will be a much better team. Just KG.

[reggiebar]

As a life-long Knick fan who was watching Bernard King tear it up long before we even drafted Ewing, I wish that somehow we could start this whole team from scratch. It is painful. So, so painful.

[DarthRekal]

no way ...im still holding out hope of hopes for the lakes to get KG..its the only way we get back the ship!...


but with cupcrap at the helm ..im skeptic:(

[cornernat]

Mavs make it back to conference finals and lose to the suns.
Heat will not repeat. i say 1 in 15 chance they will repeat.
I think the suns will win it all.....even though my favorite team is the mavs

[Equint77]

who's gonna **** Kobe's wife this year?

Lebron or Dwayne.

[DOG LIPS]

Mavs make it back to conference finals and lose to the suns.
Heat will not repeat. i say 1 in 15 chance they will repeat.
I think the suns will win it all.....even though my favorite team is the mavs
Pfft... Mavs all the way next year. Spurs will MURDER the Suns then lose to the Mavs again. :p

[DOG LIPS]

who's gonna **** Kobe's wife this year?

Lebron or Dwayne.
Both. And Shaq.


And Miami.

[DarthRekal]

As a life-long Knick fan who was watching Bernard King tear it up long before we even drafted Ewing, I wish that somehow we could start this whole team from scratch. It is painful. So, so painful.

oh man..bernard king was the ISH!:up: ..sorry knick fans.... i wish yall could blow up the team too..i would love an LA NY finals...imagine that

[DarthRekal]

:down Both. And Shaq.


And Miami.

no miami and shaq.. effed the whole LAKERS org this year...:mad: :( :(

[Ultimate_Superman]

Let the season of the 06-07 champs Washington Wizards Begin. :up:

[DOG LIPS]

I wonder what team KG will end up on? You know he wants a ring and he's not getting one anytime soon with the T's unless they make some big changes.

[DOG LIPS]

Let the season of the 06-07 champs Washington Wizards Begin. :up:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.


..Oh wait.... sorry. :(

[Ghostvirus]

I really hope that before Shaq retires that we see a Miami V.S. L.A. showdown in the Finals.

[Equint77]

:down

no miami and shaq.. effed the whole LAKERS org this year...:mad: :( :(

anyone seen's Shaq's wife? she's like 4ft tall and she's married to the ****ing Juggernaut. Shaq's pipe is probably bigger than one of her legs... I bet she looks forward to giving birth more than she does everytime Shaq gets horny. :confused: :(

[Ultimate_Superman]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.


..Oh wait.... sorry. :(Thats no joke next season belongs to the Wizards. We will own the NBA:mad::up::up::up::up::up:

[Lobo]

As long as the Knicks keep Frye and Lee I dont care what they do

[Immortalfire]

Little early aren't we? :rolleyes:

Go Hawks. :(

[DarthRekal]

I really hope that before Shaq retires that we see a Miami V.S. L.A. showdown in the Finals.

i would love that too!:up: ....


and dog lips..i hope kg comes HERE!:)

[Equint77]

Thats no joke next season belongs to the Wizards. We will own the NBA:mad::up::up::up::up::up:

All Star... who's in your avatar?

[DarthRekal]

Little early aren't we? :rolleyes:

Go Hawks. :(

nope the 05-06 season is officially over.... the new season/off season begins today :)


sorry about the hawks..imagine them with j terry .... boris diaw and the young talent they have:eek:

[Ultimate_Superman]

Sarah Carter(she looks just like my wife when my wife has blonde hair of course).

[Equint77]

Sarah Carter(she looks just like my wife when my wife has blonde hair of course).

hmm.. never heard of her but she looks ****-i-licious :o :up:

[cornernat]

Pfft... Mavs all the way next year. Spurs will MURDER the Suns then lose to the Mavs again. :p



i agree, at least i have someone on my side. .......For the mavs at least. would of said mavs all the way but i'm still a little heart struck

[DOG LIPS]

i agree, at least i have someone on my side. .......For the mavs at least. would of said mavs all the way but i'm still a little heart struck
Mavs should be a much better team next season. Many of their young players like Harris needed a finals kick in their ass to make them more mature and make them want it more. Hell, they all did. :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

hmm.. never heard of her but she looks ****-i-licious :o :up:Thats an insult to my wife :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[DarthRekal]

think the mavs will sign terry again?..if not ..we got a good home for him

[Ghostvirus]

2 Predictions listen people this is imprtant!

Keving Garnett & Big Ben Wallace will go to Chicago!

*Wakes Up*

Damnit I was sleep typing again. In all Seriousness I really hope Da Bulls nab one of these two guys, or even Jermaine O'Neil would be cool as well.

[DOG LIPS]

I get a feeling many big names will be jumping teams this offseason in an attempt to get a ring.

[Immortalfire]

sorry about the hawks..imagine them with j terry .... boris diaw and the young talent they have:eek: Thing about it, we had Terry. I was ticked when we traded him :(

[DarthRekal]

thats what i meant yall had a squad.... the hawks deserve some love...i really wish they would find a way to blow up..i miss the NIQUE years

[Immortalfire]

Amen to that.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I am so glad that the Heat won and...
































The HEAT WILL REPEAT!

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I just hope that Steve Nash doesn't get the MVP again...this is starting to get silly.

[LastSunrise1981]

I wonder what team KG will end up on? You know he wants a ring and he's not getting one anytime soon with the T's unless they make some big changes.

According to Stephen A. Smith's "sources" he said Dallas and I think he did say that New Yorks looks interesting. It's already been reported and confirmed that KG isn't happy in Minnesota anymore.

The problem lies that no one is going to gut their team just to get KG.

I could see maybe Toronto or Indiana making a play for him. One thing is for sure, if they do end up trading KG, it won't be to a Western Conference team.

The Heat will not repeat. Zo will retire, Payton will be gone, and more than likely Detroit or the Cavs will knock them out of the playoffs next year.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Sounds like Sour grapes to me.

[LastSunrise1981]

Sounds like Sour grapes to me.

Not really. I don't think the Heat will repeat next season. I think the teams in the East that will give them the most trouble are Detroit and Cavs.

Now if Chicago or Indiana happens to get KG or Ben Wallace, then watch out.

[LastSunrise1981]

Sounds like Sour grapes to me.

Not really. I don't think the Heat will repeat next season. I think the teams in the East that will give them the most trouble are Detroit and Cavs.

Now if Chicago or Indiana happens to get KG or Ben Wallace, then watch out.

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm sorry for the double post. My internet was lagging and I didn't expect it to double post like that.

Has the Hype been having some issues as well?

[DarthRekal]

sunrise has some points... i think the east is getting stronger and if kg moves east it only deepens..the west is slowly becoming weak..with only a handful of standout teams... i think the clippers ( i love em) will fall back to the wayside..its the clippers after all... the lakers need serious help...the suns should be fine.. the spurs are always okay and the mavs should be as well...other than them three its a toss up on who will be good

[Equint77]

Thats an insult to my wife :mad::mad::mad::mad:

your wife is booty-licious. :o

[samurai black]

This year's playoffs gave us a good glimpse of what to expect next year. I see in the east the cavs and wizards becoming serious contenders, while detroit continues to slip. The Heat without ZO and payton will still be the best team in the east, it'll just be harder to get back to the finals(notice i said get back) In the west, I'm rootin' for the lakes and clips to advance at least to the conf finals, Mavs will the best team out there, but the suns will be oh sooo badass with the return of amare (man i can't wait to see him embarass duncan again) Unless KG goes to the mavs, i don't see him making any other team automatic contenders for a title. Next years MVP will probably be either Lebron/Kobe/Wade, these are the 3 best players in the league.

[Ultimate_Superman]

This year's playoffs gave us a good glimpse of what to expect next year. I see in the east the cavs and wizards becoming serious contenders, while detroit continues to slip. The Heat without ZO and payton will still be the best team in the east, it'll just be harder to get back to the finals(notice i said get back) In the west, I'm rootin' for the lakes and clips to advance at least to the conf finals, Mavs will the best team out there, but the suns will be oh sooo badass with the return of amare (man i can't wait to see him embarass duncan again) Unless KG goes to the mavs, i don't see him making any other team automatic contenders for a title. Next years MVP will probably be either Lebron/Kobe/Wade, these are the 3 best players in the league.This is true.

[DarthRekal]

yeah samurai is pretty sound in his perceptions.... miami heat fans are not that bad... i will say you guys are not sore winners.... well some of you anyway....i think detroit will be dismantled this year i see ben going somewhere else.... and the team just doesnt look right to me

[Ghostvirus]

Don't cound out Chicago y'all. Seriously. they have my balls tingling.

[DarthRekal]

i said chi town will be nice next year..specially if they get ben or JO:eek:

[Equint77]

what's the big deal about JO... he's on the downside of his career, he's injury prone and he's inconsistant in the playoffs.

plus whoever trades for him is gonna end up giving more than they want.... leave him in Indy and go for someone like Harrington in Atlanta.

[DarthRekal]

i would love to get bosh outa toronto ..but with colangelo there..it will be hard now

[Equint77]

i would love to get bosh outa toronto ..but with colangelo there..it will be hard now

he's a solid GM... don't be surprised if he straightens them out.

[ScottyBBadd]

Pfft... Mavs all the way next year. Spurs will MURDER the Suns then lose to the Mavs again. :p

My thoughts exactly.

[jusblaze21]

So where are all the Sixer fans?

[Ultimate_Superman]

The Knicks fired Larry Brown and replaced him with Thomas. More to come.

[LastSunrise1981]

My thoughts exactly.

I think the Suns will beat the Spurs, but possibly lose to the Mavs in the WCF again.

[Immortalfire]

Goodbye Larry :)

[DarthRekal]

yup larry brown was axed!.. isiah is now in his place

[Kipobe]

Lakers get Garnett... team goes bananas and the NBA explodes. David Stern becomes porn star, and a team from the developmental league becomes champions by default:confused:

[DarthRekal]

lakers better get someone!:mad:

[Super_Ludacris]

yo what the **** dunn we got an offseason thread as well you know?

**** is up with all these NBA threads after the season is over?

Anyways, it's like this *****s, Amare needs to come back and just dominate the league. T-Mac need to come back and be healthy and teams like San Antonio, The Lakers, Pistons and the Mavs need to be motivated like MJ in the summer of 95 and just handle there business....

one and nullus

[U.S War Machine]

Knicks need to fire all their players and get KG. Then they will be a much better team. Just KG.KG is going to be a free agent? Man I would think he would stay with the Wolves.

[Mister J]

KG and McHale have both said there is no trade possibility. I suppose things could always change, but I don't see it happening.

[LarryLegend]

KG can opt out of his contract in 2007. If I was him, I'd do it and then go to Cleveland or Miami.

[DOG LIPS]

KG can opt out of his contract in 2007. If I was him, I'd do it and then go to Cleveland or Miami.
Miami can't afford him. Can they? :confused:

[Mister J]

Miami can't afford him. Can they? :confused: It'd most likely have to be a veteran's exception like Mourning and GP took. Shaq is pulling down 20M/year, D-Wade will likely get a 5 yr/75M extension this summer and Miami is on the line for 6 yrs/53M for Walker.

[Tangled Web]

Jordan Farmar is the best pg in this draft.

[Mister J]

Jordan Farmar is the best pg in this draft.
Randy Foye and Marcus Williams might disagree with that.

[ScottyBBadd]

I think the Suns will beat the Spurs, but possibly lose to the Mavs in the WCF again.

It does not matter who wins between Phoenix and San Antonio, either will lose to Dallas.

[The Riddler]

Jordan Farmar is the best pg in this draft.
DAMN EFFING STRAIGHT.

i can't believe someone else agrees with my view! :eek:

[The Riddler]

Randy Foye and Marcus Williams might disagree with that.
farmar's 42 inch vertical leap(tops at the combine), sub 4% body fat, pass first mentality and impressive court vision make him the best nba pg.

[Tangled Web]

Randy Foye and Marcus Williams might disagree with that.
I believe Jordan's Final Four ring disagrees with them. Jordan is a born leader and as Riddler pointed out, a freakish athlete.

[Super_Ludacris]

It does not matter who wins between Phoenix and San Antonio, either will lose to Dallas.


Disagree, Dallas struggles defensivley against impact fowards, they could bareley contain Duncan in there series and Amare murked them in the paint last year. San Antonio has a more organised defense and are known for it and won titles with it what they did against the Suns last year was let Amare run and turn up the offense on there own cause they knew Phoenix couldnt defend the ball. Mavs I worry for because they struggle with counter offense sometimes as seen in the finals when Dirk there go to guy was struggling. Which in itself was odd because I thought he would step up a litttle more and be aggressive but he wasnt and usually settled for the outside shot. He's still one of the top players in the league but he needs to be agressive especially against an Amare Stoudemire when it comes to the playoffs.

[Mister J]

farmar's 42 inch vertical leap(tops at the combine), sub 4% body fat, pass first mentality and impressive court vision make him the best nba pg. He did do well for himself at the combine, yet alot of mock-ups still have Foye and Williams listed ahead of him. Williams was great at distributing at UConn, leading the nation in assists and had an impressive assist/TO ratio. He too, has good vision and can make all the passes. Foye is a combo guard, but he'll run the point. People like his offensive game and intensity on D. I'd still go with a Williams-Foye-Farmar ranking.

I believe Jordan's Final Four ring disagrees with them. Jordan is a born leader and as Riddler pointed out, a freakish athlete.
They're all leaders and athletes. What does the Final Four ring have to do with who's better? How much good is a Final Four ring doing for Dee Brown's draft status? Should Taurean Green have entered the draft?


Dear God, why am I getting into this with two Bruin fans? :(

[The Riddler]

He did do well for himself at the combine, yet alot of mock-ups still have Foye and Williams listed ahead of him. Williams was great at distributing at UConn, leading the nation in assists and had an impressive assist/TO ratio. He too, has good vision and can make all the passes. Foye is a combo guard, but he'll run the point. People like his offensive game and intensity on D. I'd still go with a Williams-Foye-Farmar ranking.
i think farmar will surprise some people and will be the best pg in the draft.

who knows though, they are all good.

[Tangled Web]

Dear God, why am I getting into this with two Bruin fans? :(
Hey, Jason Kapono was the key to the Heat's success and you know it! :mad:

[NOFX]

anyone seen's Shaq's wife? she's like 4ft tall and she's married to the ****ing Juggernaut. Shaq's pipe is probably bigger than one of her legs... I bet she looks forward to giving birth more than she does everytime Shaq gets horny. :confused: :(
LMAO!

[NOFX]

I think the only thing hurt the Clippers in the playoffs was the inexperience. If the clips keep the same squad this look for them to advance at least to the wcf!

[Mister J]

i think farmar will surprise some people and will be the best pg in the draft.

who knows though, they are all good.
He surprised alot of people with that run to the Final Four. Good instincts, agressiveness and ball-handling. The only knock I saw on him was sometimes he gets a little too eager to make the spectacular play, but I never saw it really cost his team. That combine did nothing but up his stock in a draft class with a lot of room to move. He's even caught a few teams off guard with the strength he showed in private workouts. He'll go later than he should, because the other two PGs are bigger names and people are more familiar with them. He liable to be a steal.
Hey, Jason Kapono was the key to the Heat's success and you know it!
There's actually talk that Miami may release him this offseason. I hope not, 'cause I think he can play a little. He showed some progression in Charlotte before landing with the Heat. He can be a solid guy off the bench.
I think the only thing hurt the Clippers in the playoffs was the inexperience. If the clips keep the same squad this look for them to advance at least to the wcf!
We'll see if your boy, Donald Sterling continues with his recent string of opening the checkbook or if he goes back to being Stingy Sterling. Livingston is the definitely the future, but Cassell is needed there.

[NOFX]

We'll see if your boy, Donald Sterling continues with his recent string of opening the checkbook or if he goes back to being Stingy Sterling. Livingston is the definitely the future, but Cassell is needed there.
Well the Clippers just re-signed Sam Cassel and Signed Tim Tomas. I think Tim Tomas is a far better player than Radmonvic. I like Radmonvic but the Clippers have young rookie last year that they need to play and he reminds me alot like Peja and Radmonvic. I honestly believe that the Clippers are serious title contenders next year! They loaded in almost every position, and I think bringing Tim Tomas brings another Vet that the clippers desperatly need to get over the hump! Clips baby!

[Tangled Web]

There's actually talk that Miami may release him this offseason. I hope not, 'cause I think he can play a little. He showed some progression in Charlotte before landing with the Heat. He can be a solid guy off the bench.


He was a great Bruin. He, Baron Davis, and Earl Watson should all have NCAA championships, but Steve Lavin couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.

[Immortalfire]

Preseason has begun. Hawks beat Memphis, 108-91 today.

[Fran]

Pistons owned the Heat.

I'm glad the media is already down on the Pistons. It just adds fuel to the fire.

GO PISTONS FOR 2006-07. :up:

[Equint77]

lol.. @ Ben Wallace mouthing off on his ex coaches...

what a ********.

[Fran]

Yeah, I think it was time for Big Ben to go. Nazr will be a great help on offense, and we can survive on defense. We've got Dyess, Flip and Sheed to help downlow and get Nazr help.

[NOFX]

edit

[Fran]

^ Idiot.

[Ghostvirus]

Bulls beat the Wizards. I can't wait until the opening game. I love that the Bulls are playing the Heat right out the gate. It will be a good measuring stick to the rest of the season.

[NOFX]

^ Idiot.
Whoops my bad, I thought the title said 2005-2006:o

[Alpha and Omega]

What do you guys think about Amare's knees?

[Jerry]

Bulls beat the Wizards. I can't wait until the opening game. I love that the Bulls are playing the Heat right out the gate. It will be a good measuring stick to the rest of the season.

I have tickets to the opening home game, its going to be awesome. The intros are still the best, except I m always expecting to hear "Annnnd coming out of North Carloina, 6'6 216 lbs guard...." Ahh memories.

[NOFX]

What do you guys think about Amare's knees?
Jury still out, we wont know if he's 100% until he played 15-20 reg season games.

[NOFX]

Apparently the Clips are interested in looking to trade Maggette for Lou Deng from the Bulls. I think its a good trade for both teams. Bulls need more scoring, Clippers need more defense.

[Fran]

Whoops my bad, I thought the title said 2005-2006:o

You're good. :up:

[Ben Urich]

Go Pacers! :up:
http://www.indiana.edu/~kines2/assmp/images/pacers%20logo.jpg

[Equinox]

I have tickets to the opening home game, its going to be awesome. The intros are still the best, except I m always expecting to hear "Annnnd coming out of North Carloina, 6'6 216 lbs guard...." Ahh memories.

Opening home game of the Bulls?

I got em too.. Cant wait for Nov 3rd :woot:

[Fran]

Go Pacers! :up:
http://www.indiana.edu/%7Ekines2/assmp/images/pacers%20logo.jpg

Their new logo should be a P for Pistol. Not to mention a fist. :o

[LastSunrise1981]

Did anyone hear how the league is cracking down on how a player reacts to being called for a foul? Basically there will be no punching or slamming the ball down out of frustration, pouting and throwing up their hands in the air, and so forth.

Also they're not allowed to celebrate in a taunting fashion after a dunk or making a shot in general.

Of course all of those rules will apply to everyone except Shaq and Wade.

[Mister J]

Did anyone hear how the league is cracking down on how a player reacts to being called for a foul? Basically there will be no punching or slamming the ball down out of frustration, pouting and throwing up their hands in the air, and so forth.

Also they're not allowed to celebrate in a taunting fashion after a dunk or making a shot in general. Sheed is already complaning

Of course all of those rules will apply to everyone except Shaq and Wade. Damn skippy. :up:

[Ghostvirus]

I have tickets to the opening home game, its going to be awesome. The intros are still the best, except I m always expecting to hear "Annnnd coming out of North Carloina, 6'6 216 lbs guard...." Ahh memories.

I know right. I still can't help but get jazzed when I hear that music. I am really pumped about this season. If nothing the Bulls will definetely scare some teams. Then next year however....

Go Pacers! :up:
http://www.indiana.edu/~kines2/assmp/images/pacers%20logo.jpg

LOL!!!!x5 The Pacer's are only headed to one court this year.....The court room. ZING!:up:

Did anyone hear how the league is cracking down on how a player reacts to being called for a foul? Basically there will be no punching or slamming the ball down out of frustration, pouting and throwing up their hands in the air, and so forth.

Also they're not allowed to celebrate in a taunting fashion after a dunk or making a shot in general.

Of course all of those rules will apply to everyone except Shaq and Wade.

This rule sounds completely lame. Earlier in Shaqs career he taunted, but I don't really notice him doing any on court taunting, & I have yet to see Wade even taunt on or off the court. He seems to be a pretty humble guy.

Can't wait until his contract is up, & he comes to Chicago. You Heat fans no it in your heart. That is what is going to happen. Enjoy these moments Heatians.

EDIT: LastSunrise - I can't wait until Dirk keeps getting called for the stupid growl thingy he does to the camera everytime he makes a "big" shot.

[Ben Urich]

Their new logo should be a P for Pistol. Not to mention a fist.

For realz. :csad:
I miss this lineup:
PG - Mark Jackson #13
http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10033000/10033479.jpg
SG - Reggie Miller #31
http://nbaflash.free.fr/photos/miller03.jpg
SF - Jalen Rose #5
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/2000/playoffs/news/2000/06/16/lakers_pacers/t1_rose_ap_01.jpg
PF - Dale Davis #32
http://www.nba.com/media/pacers/davis_chat_050403.jpg
C - Rik Smits #45
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/1999/1207/photo/a_pacers.jpg

Those uniforms were awesome, too.
Every uniform in the NBA now is friggin' boring. Looks like they came from college. :down

[Mister J]

EDIT: LastSunrise - I can't wait until Dirk keeps getting called for the stupid growl thingy he does to the camera everytime he makes a "big" shot.
Those are hilarious. Although, I'm a fan of a higher level of Dirk's intensity, like the kind he displayed in the Finals; punting the ball into the stands and ruthlessly attacking exercise bikes. Now that's passion. :up:

[Fran]

I hate how the Heat get slack on their fouls.

After watching the Finals, I started to believe the NBA is corrupt.

[Mister J]

I think Sunrise's Conspiracy Club meets on Wednesdays. :up:

[The Riddler]

houston rockets have a shot at the title this year.

[Fran]

houston rockets have a shot at the title this year.

:dry:

[Mister J]

Provided both their key players can remain healthy (big if given recent history), they'll be a good team, but neither one of them has ever been out of the first round. San Antonio, Dallas and Phoenix will still be better. They'll do well to get home court in the first round.

[The Riddler]

:dry:
are you surprised?

do you watch basketball?

[CrypticOne]

I just know that the Denver Nuggets are going to do good this year.

[NOFX]

houston rockets have a shot at the title this year.
Not when Tim Duncan is playing at Center when he is obviously the best center in the league!:oldrazz:

[The Riddler]

Provided both their key players can remain healthy (big if given recent history), they'll be a good team, but neither one of them has ever been out of the first round. San Antonio, Dallas and Phoenix will still be better. They'll do well to get home court in the first round.
you can't say any team is better without them even playing one regular season game. :huh:

also, the rockets matchup well against the spurs and mavs.

the suns have athleticism that gave houston fits, but we'll see how things go this year.

[Fran]

are you surprised?

do you watch basketball?

Well, the Rockets have a chance, but I don't think they have a good shot.

I do watch basketball :mad:

I am a diehard Pistons fan, and am glad they are putting my team on the backburner... that's how they won the title.

[The Riddler]

Not when Tim Duncan is playing at Center when he is obviously the best center in the league!:oldrazz:
you can keep believing it until the season starts.

then beware YAOWNAGE.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/ColGuile/YAOWNED.jpg

[Mister J]

you can't say any team is better without them even playing one regular season game. :huh:

also, the rockets matchup well against the spurs and mavs.

the suns have athleticism that gave houston fits, but we'll see how things go this year.
You just said Houston has a shot a title without them playing a game.

Barring some kind of unforseen implosion, I don't think it's that far off to believe the top pecking order of the West stays intact. Of course, none of that is definitive. We don't have anything else to gon on but speculation right now.

[The Riddler]

You just said Houston has a shot a title without them playing a game.

Barring some kind of unforseen implosion, I don't think it's that far off to believe the top pecking order of the West stays intact. Of course, none of that is definitive. We don't have anything else to gon on but speculation right now.
i didn't say anything about specifics.

i just think they have a good shot this year with their new roster.

[Mister J]

They have the potential to do some damage. Still can't believe that trade for Battier though. Swift wasn't that bad, let alone the help Rudy Gay might have brought. I wish Yao was held out of the World Championships. They're wearing the man out and I'd like to see him go the season without injury.

[The Riddler]

They have the potential to do some damage. Still can't believe that trade for Battier though. Swift wasn't that bad, let alone the help Rudy Gay might have brought. I wish Yao was held out of the World Championships. They're wearing the man out and I'd like to see him go the season without injury.
swift was trash, and gay is potential.

battier gives them defense, hustle and some 3 pt. shooting now.

[Mister J]

It seems hasty for them to dump Swift one year after they ponied up 4 yrs/22M for him. That team wasn't intact last year with the injuries to Yao and McGrady and even though Swift was disappointing, he might have been closer to the team's expectations with a full complement of players. Battier's better, but they're fairly comparable. Tossing in the #8 pick is what gets me. Granted Gay could be a bust, but they had to think highly of the guy taking him a such a premium spot.

[NOFX]

Yes the lakers on tv!!! Ahhhhh basketball!

[NOFX]

Farmer playing really well running the team. Kwame Brown showing some nice passses but still havent shown the Power in Power Foward. Kobe still injured.

[NOFX]

you can keep believing it until the season starts.

then beware YAOWNAGE.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/ColGuile/YAOWNED.jpg
Something Yao Ming doenst have! NOT EVEN ONE!

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/05_Spurs_Champ_Album/Images/05DuncanTim_05Finals_MVP.jpg

[The Riddler]

It seems hasty for them to dump Swift one year after they ponied up 4 yrs/22M for him. That team wasn't intact last year with the injuries to Yao and McGrady and even though Swift was disappointing, he might have been closer to the team's expectations with a full complement of players. Battier's better, but they're fairly comparable. Tossing in the #8 pick is what gets me. Granted Gay could be a bust, but they had to think highly of the guy taking him a such a premium spot.
uhhh swift is nowhere near battier in terms of anything useful to a team.

secondly, gay is potential and the rockets have a period of 1-3 years to make a run at the finals. no time for him to develop.

[The Riddler]

Something Yao Ming doenst have! NOT EVEN ONE!

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/05_Spurs_Champ_Album/Images/05DuncanTim_05Finals_MVP.jpg
in due time, young padawan.

[The Riddler]

Farmer playing really well running the team. Kwame Brown showing some nice passses but still havent shown the Power in Power Foward. Kobe still injured.
farmar is awesome.

i hope he can start over smush.

[NOFX]

uhhh swift is nowhere near battier in terms of anything useful to a team.

secondly, gay is potential and the rockets have a period of 1-3 years to make a run at the finals. no time for him to develop.
Swift looking good right now! Defintely one of the fav's for Rookie of the year!

[The Riddler]

Swift looking good right now! Defintely one of the fav's for Rookie of the year!
what the hell are you talking about?

[Immortalfire]

Stephen Jackson may face prison time (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-pacers-jackson&prov=ap&type=lgns).

Just another day at the office for the NBA.

[NOFX]

what the hell are you talking about?
LOL! I meant Gay:woot:

[LastSunrise1981]

Those are hilarious. Although, I'm a fan of a higher level of Dirk's intensity, like the kind he displayed in the Finals; punting the ball into the stands and ruthlessly attacking exercise bikes. Now that's passion. :up:

Get cocky all you want, the Heat will not repeat this year and if David $tern attempts to screw Dallas or any other team out of the championship then fans will drop the NBA like a bad habit.

The Heat was handed the trophy by $tern and you know it, the fans know it, and a lot of NBA experts and Legends have come out and stated those same exact sentiments.

Either way it'll be hilarious watching Chicago, Detroit, or possibly Cleveland take out the overrated Heat.

IF the Heat do repeat it'll just further confirm that the league is definitely fixed and they want to make Shaq/Wade into the second version of Shaq/Kobe.

[Ghostvirus]

Get cocky all you want, the Heat will not repeat this year and if David $tern attempts to screw Dallas or any other team out of the championship then fans will drop the NBA like a bad habit.

The Heat was handed the trophy by $tern and you know it, the fans know it, and a lot of NBA experts and Legends have come out and stated those same exact sentiments.

Either way it'll be hilarious watching Chicago, Detroit, or possibly Cleveland take out the overrated Heat.

IF the Heat do repeat it'll just further confirm that the league is definitely fixed and they want to make Shaq/Wade into the second version of Shaq/Kobe.

Good god! The season hasn't even started, & you are ranting. What if another team wins this year. Like Pheonix, or Chicago? What about Houston, or San Antonio. Is it still a conspiracy? Maybe, just maybe. Dallas doesn't have what it takes to be champs. Ever think of that?

[LastSunrise1981]

Good god! The season hasn't even started, & you are ranting. What if another team wins this year. Like Pheonix, or Chicago? What about Houston, or San Antonio. Is it still a conspiracy? Maybe, just maybe. Dallas doesn't have what it takes to be champs. Ever think of that?

Dallas has what it takes, they were just screwed over by the officials and gave Wade all the calls. Anyone who gets a no touch foul towards the end of the game and costs Dallas the game/series, you know something is wrong.

Like I said, it's not just me feeling this way. Barkley, Hubie Brown, Magic Johnson, Stephen A. Smith, and Scottie Pippen have said the officials suck and screwed Dallas over.

Of course I'm pulling for Dallas to win, but if any other team wins it, then that means $tern knows people are on to him so he'll have another team win it to quiet down the conspiracy accusations. Perfect example would be the 2003 Lakers season and how the Spurs knocked them out, then the next year Malone and Payton were signed and they made it all the way to the finals.

$tern knew that if that Laker team won the championship then people would say it was fixed for sure, so he had Detroit win it though.

My opinion? I think $tern is trying to push for a Lakers/Heat championship, and anyone who denies that really gives the league too much credit and underestimates them.

So yes, I think the series was fixed and I'm not changing my tune. If your team Chicago loses to the Heat you'll be complaining too.

[Mister J]

This guy is hysterical. :D
Seriously, did anyone see these alleged conspiracy remarks by the guys he mentioned. I watched a lot of post-game/post-series/post-asswhipping reports and I must have missed it. :whatever:

On the bright side, The Finals weren't all bad for Dallas. There was all that endoresement money from the varied peanut butter makers in lieu of the choke job they pulled. I mean, I know the Mavs' aren't hurting for money, but it's something. :up:

[Ghostvirus]

Dallas has what it takes, they were just screwed over by the officials and gave Wade all the calls. Anyone who gets a no touch foul towards the end of the game and costs Dallas the game/series, you know something is wrong.

Like I said, it's not just me feeling this way. Barkley, Hubie Brown, Magic Johnson, Stephen A. Smith, and Scottie Pippen have said the officials suck and screwed Dallas over.

Of course I'm pulling for Dallas to win, but if any other team wins it, then that means $tern knows people are on to him so he'll have another team win it to quiet down the conspiracy accusations. Perfect example would be the 2003 Lakers season and how the Spurs knocked them out, then the next year Malone and Payton were signed and they made it all the way to the finals.

$tern knew that if that Laker team won the championship then people would say it was fixed for sure, so he had Detroit win it though.

My opinion? I think $tern is trying to push for a Lakers/Heat championship, and anyone who denies that really gives the league too much credit and underestimates them.

So yes, I think the series was fixed and I'm not changing my tune. If your team Chicago loses to the Heat you'll be complaining too.

To a certain point yes. I might even get upset at some of the calls, but to say it was all a conspiracy is just looney tunes!

I really think that what you are suggesting is a huge instult to the players of the NBA. Who have worked hard to get to the big leagues. Only to have people like you say that there skills don't matter, because it is all fixed.

I am going to save some of what I want to say for later. We have long season ahead, & I feel we will be bumping heads the whole way. It is going to be a long one.:csad:

[Mister J]

Oh for Zeus' sake, Sunrise. It's been over a hour. Is that it? Where's the tenacity?, the drive?, the zeal? There's no need to pace yourself.
I was hoping this conspiracy stuff would get back up to full steam, but that last attempt was rather passive. Tell me that extended probation didn't take all the fight of ya, buddy. We still have a while before the season kicks up and this is as good entertainment as any.

Fellow NBA fans, I give you a brief tribute to our own resident Fox Mulder. Let us harken back to the memorable post-Game 5 meltdown...
The last "foul" on Wade wasn't a foul. That was a gimmie call and this game goes to the officials again. I watched the replay and that was definitely not a foul, and the fact that the officials called it proves it's a conspiracy.

Oh yeah, and Stackhouse being suspened? Definitely a move enforced by $tern to give the Heat an advantage. I'm hating the NBA more and more.

Congrats Heat fans, you more likely will win the series due to $tern and the referees. **** you and **** the NBA greediness.

This is the last time I'll post in this thread. I've had it with the NBA and I've had it with $tern, the NBA commercialism, and the conspiracy in helping the bigger teams due to Shaq and Wade being "superstars".

Screw the NBA.

Oh yeah, and screw Avery for that chokejob in calling a timeout. This loss can be pinned on the officials, $tern, and Avery for calling a timeout after the first free throw and then chewing out Marquis Daniels about it.

Again, congrats you bandwagon Heat fans, you can thank $tern and the officials for giving you 3 home games to help you win the series.

So I say **** you and you all mean as much to me as a can of maggots.

I changed my mind. I will remain posting and I will continue voicing my disgust with the NBA, the moronic NBA Heat fans, and the overall commercialism that is the NBA today.

I know I said I won't post in this thread anymore. But I've had it with the bandwagon Heat fans here, the conspiracy put together by $tern and the league itself.

You can thank $tern for allowing Shaq and Wade to mug players like Dirk and Terry with no fouls going against them. You can thank $tern for not suspending Shaq when he purposely elbowed Dirk, Stackhouse, and Dampier.

Again, you Heat fans are so stupid and moronic that you want to win a series by hook or crook. I bet if Dallas won you all would be crying conspiracy too. Don't get mad or cry because I'm telling the truth.

This series is living proof that this is a conspiracy, and if no one else will say it, then I'll say it.

**** you, **** the NBA, and **** $tern.

Oh shut the hell up, you will be placed on ignore again you stupid piece of crap of a newbie.

No one else will say it because they're too scared. The other Dallas "fans" were nothing more than bandwagon fans as well, proving that they'll tuck their tail between their legs and run when the going gets tough.

I'm speaking the truth. This is a conspiracy and this series flat out proves that no matter what happens, Shaq and Wade will always be protected by the higher powers of the league.

Those powers being $tern obviously. The fact that this mysterious 2-3 format is living proof they did this to help the Heat.

I'm crazy because I speak the truth? Well, then so be it. I'll continue voicing my opinion that the NBA is rigged.

You Heat fans are morons and bandwagon maggots. You all need to go to hell.

Okay, I'm through with this board for good. I really mean it this time. I'm tired of the bandwagon fans, I'm tired of the stupidity by Maverick "fans" who talk **** and run when Dallas loses, and I'm tired of the stupidity of Heat fans who deny this conspiracy by $tern and the league.

Congrats to the Heat. See you next year. Hopefully $tern will be gone and a better commissioner will come in and give the league back its dignity.


The no-touch foul that Flash drew. If you think you see Dirk with his hand in Wade's back or Harris slapping Wade across the arm, it's because Stern is using his magnificent powers of hypnotism. Fight it!
Then again, these are probably just random shots of a regular season matchup. Wade didn't get touched once in Game 5. FREEDOM!!!!!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9224031&postcount=5142
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9224055&postcount=5145

Just for fun: The Passion of the Dirk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848MEfUEZUs


Sunrise, it's a high precedent to follow, but I know you can pull it off. I beseech you. I need the drama. Now quickly, regale us with tales of how Godfather Stern is tainting ramen noodles at the source in an attempt to dull the brain activity of today's youth so that they are more susceptible to his insidious plans. MWAHAHAHAHAHA! :cmad: :up:

Please.

[Ghostvirus]

Thanks for the flashback Mister J. Brings back memories. Actually I think this quote was actually directed towards me at the time.


Oh shut the hell up, you will be placed on ignore again you stupid piece of crap of a newbie.

[Mister J]

Yeah, he ripped into you, me and GoWebGo something fierce. I've never been the same. :csad:

[Ghostvirus]

No worries man. Your team won. Cuban is still a douche.

[LastSunrise1981]

Oh for Zeus' sake, Sunrise. It's been over a hour. Is that it? Where's the tenacity?, the drive?, the zeal? There's no need to pace yourself.
I was hoping this conspiracy stuff would get back up to full steam, but that last attempt was rather passive. Tell me that extended probation didn't take all the fight of ya, buddy. We still have a while before the season kicks up and this is as good entertainment as any.

Fellow NBA fans, I give you a brief tribute to our own resident Fox Mulder. Let us harken back to the memorable post-Game 5 meltdown...

















The no-touch foul that Flash drew. If you think you see Dirk with his hand in Wade's back or Harris slapping Wade across the arm, it's because Stern is using his magnificent powers of hypnotism. Fight it!
Then again, these are probably just random shots of a regular season matchup. Wade didn't get touched once in Game 5. FREEDOM!!!!!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9224031&postcount=5142
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9224055&postcount=5145

Just for fun: The Passion of the Dirk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848MEfUEZUs


Sunrise, it's a high precedent to follow, but I know you can pull it off. I beseech you. I need the drama. Now quickly, regale us with tales of how Godfather Stern is tainting ramen noodles at the source in an attempt to dull the brain activity of today's youth so that they are more susceptible to his insidious plans. MWAHAHAHAHAHA! :cmad: :up:

Please.

Mock and laugh all you want, but I meant every word of it in the past and I mean every word of it now.

Bottom line $tern fixed the championships this year and I won't be surprised if he tries to do it again, which he will more than likely. The first three Laker championships are living proof that the league and the games are fixed for certain teams.

You say that it was a rightly called foul? Video replays and angles clearly show that no one touched Wade at all. Therefore it was a foul that was just called by the refs and was confirmed by the refs in order to help Miami.

@Maximum Carnage- You say it's an insult to the players to say the game is fixed? Perhaps you're right and say I agree with you. However, I think it's even more insulting to flat out admit that the superstars get the calls and that the most popular ones will benefit from the officials. To me I think that's even more insulting to the games, the players, and the fans.

Anytime you have a game that's being compared to professional wrestling now, you know something is wrong.

I still believe that you're a bandwagon Heat fan anyways Mister J. You more likely became a fan when Shaq came on board and the Heat became popular again. Go ahead and laugh it up now, I'm sure Chicago, Detroit, or Cleveland will be the ones having the last laugh next year.

[Ben Urich]

Shut the **** up already. Jesus.

[LastSunrise1981]

Shut the **** up already. Jesus.

No. I will not shut the up because you tell me to.

I'm going to continue speaking my mind and not backing down because some Heat fans get upset. If you don't like what I have to say, then simply place me on ignore or don't come into the thread.

It's as simple as that.

Poor officiating and phantom calls have been cited as secondary contributors to their loss to the Heat, especially concerning Game 5.

I don't know if anyone remembers the 2003 NBA Playoff series between Minnesota and the Lakers. Game 3 in Los Angeles was called in favor of the Lakers, while even though Minn won the game, it was living proof that the officials were trying to help the Lakers in that particular game.

They show it every once and a while, but it was a exact replication of what happened in the Dallas/Miami series.

[Ben Urich]

No. I will not shut the up because you tell me to.

I'm going to continue speaking my mind and not backing down because some Heat fans get upset. If you don't like what I have to say, then simply place me on ignore or don't come into the thread.

It's as simple as that.

http://www.tommychang.net/uploaded_images/heat_champions_1-759389.jpg

They won.
Deal with it.

[Mister J]

Sunny, Sunny, Sunny, I take it you didn't look at those pics of the Wade foul in that last post. Oh, right. I nearly forgot. The hypnotism. My bad. :dry:

And yes, I am a bandwagon fan. I am the driver of the bandwagon. As a matter of fact, in some areas, it's called the Mister J-wagon. YEAH!
Actually, I'm not a fan of the game at all. Godfather Stern blessed me by birthright to be one of his acolytes. I spread the gospel. It is my mission to condition you all according to his will.

I'm glad I dug around the old thread. I almost forgot about your earlier claim that Stern changed the Finals format to 2-3-2 just for the Heat last year. That one was gold.

If somebody knocks off the Heat this year, naturally I'd be disappointed. However, the memory of that sweet 4 game straight beatdown will last for sometime, so I'm sure I'd get over it without launching into a continual hissyfit of corruption and injustice. :up:

It's good to have you back, man.

[LastSunrise1981]

http://www.tommychang.net/uploaded_images/heat_champions_1-759389.jpg

They won.
Deal with it.

I know they won and I am dealing with it. I stand by my beliefs on it being fixed and that they're thanking $tern right now. :yay:

Want to know what you should deal with? Me voicing my opinion, me not backing down, and other fans voicing their displeasure as well. I will say that the other Dallas "fans" on this forum were bandwagoners as well.

Much like the Heat fans they only jumped on because the Mavericks and the Heat were popular. Once the Mavs lost those same "fans" ran away from the forum never to be seen or heard from again, but I am still here and I'm still standing.

So you might as well deal with it, because when the Heat lose this year you'll be crying and whining too. Then again, you, Mister J, and quite a few others were saying the Mavs were helped by the officials against the Spurs and the Suns. :yay:

[LastSunrise1981]

Sunny, Sunny, Sunny, I take it you didn't look at those pics of the Wade foul in that last post. Oh, right. I nearly forgot. The hypnotism. My bad. :dry:

And yes, I am a bandwagon fan. I am the driver of the bandwagon. As a matter of fact, in some areas, it's called the Mister J-wagon. YEAH!
Actually, I'm not a fan of the game at all. Godfather Stern blessed me by birthright to be one of his acolytes. I spread the gospel. It is my mission to condition you all according to his will.

I'm glad I dug around the old thread. I almost forgot about your earlier claim that Stern changed the Finals format to 2-3-2 just for the Heat last year. That one was gold.

If somebody knocks off the Heat this year, naturally I'd be disappointed. However, the memory of that sweet 4 game straight beatdown will last for sometime, so I'm sure I'd get over it without launching into a continual hissyfit of corruption and injustice. :up:

It's good to have you back, man.

That's because the NBA is corrupted in general. Back in the days of Pistol Pete, Jerry West, Walt Frazier, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and of course Reggie Miller, it was all about competition and about proving who was and is the best.

Now it's more or less about the dunk, how many points an individual player scores, and how much money the players are getting paid. Where's the competition? Where's the format of proving that one team is the best?

As I said, when analysts and legends are saying the league officials are screwing over other teams and are pretty much admitting that the superstars get the calls then something is wrong. I'm one of those fans who will speak up against it and call it for what it is.

[Mister J]

Superstars have long gotten calls, dude. Off that list of players you ran off, people made the same claims. Find a few Knicks or Pacers fans and ask them if Jordan and Chicago got calls. The better players get the benefit of the doubt. That's not anything new.

[Ben Urich]

I know they won and I am dealing with it. I stand by my beliefs on it being fixed and that they're thanking $tern right now. :yay:

Want to know what you should deal with? Me voicing my opinion, me not backing down, and other fans voicing their displeasure as well. I will say that the other Dallas "fans" on this forum were bandwagoners as well.

Much like the Heat fans they only jumped on because the Mavericks and the Heat were popular. Once the Mavs lost those same "fans" ran away from the forum never to be seen or heard from again, but I am still here and I'm still standing.

So you might as well deal with it, because when the Heat lose this year you'll be crying and whining too. Then again, you, Mister J, and quite a few others were saying the Mavs were helped by the officials against the Spurs and the Suns. :yay:

Why would I whine if the Heat lose? :huh: If you had been paying attention, you'd know that my favorite team is the Pacers.
I'm not here to support the Heat; I'm here to make sure you know that you're a ****ing idiot. :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

Superstars have long gotten calls, dude. Off that list of players you ran off, people made the same claims. Find a few Knicks or Pacers fans and ask them if Jordan and Chicago got calls. The better players get the benefit of the doubt. That's not anything new.

Exactly, and it shouldn't be that way. I still think during those times the game was still competitive and wasn't such a big billion dollar machine like it is now.

I just want the game to have its dignity back. There's no integrity or pride in the game anymore, it's all about the dunk and popularity contests. The only way it'll change is when $tern leaves the NBA and someone who knows the game takes over.

The Olympics is living proof how much the NBA players suck when the officials aren't bailing them out, see how horribly Wade did in the games?

[NOFX]

Top 10 Centers in the league and its not Yao Riddler! :D

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6050160

[Mister J]

So the game will get its integrity back when it loses the guy who presided over it's most prominent era an is hailed by many as the best sports league leader ever? OK. :dry:

Regarding the World Championships, the only horrible things I saw were ridiculous inconsistencies in terms of defense and shooting that plagues the whole team. I didn't see Wade, James or Anthony embarass themselves and I doubt anyone else did either.

Btw, I doubt if I claimed Dallas was helped by the refs against SA or Phoenix. I mentioned a close call for Dirk (against Gino I believe), but it wasn't anything catastrophic. Although, it does beg the question that if the Spurs are Stern's pet project, why let Dirk send Game 7 in SA to overtime, when he could just screw them there and get it over with. Who needs the ref's whistle against Phoenix? It's not like they play defense.

[Mister J]

Top 10 Centers in the league and its not Yao Riddler! :D

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6050160
Good article. One of the better ones that I've seen on the subject recently. Just further reinforces the dearth of centers in the League today. Seriously, look at the names at 6-10.

[Jerry]

Superstars have long gotten calls, dude. Off that list of players you ran off, people made the same claims. Find a few Knicks or Pacers fans and ask them if Jordan and Chicago got calls. The better players get the benefit of the doubt. That's not anything new.

You could find a few Bulls fans and ask them too. Reggie Miller definently got that when he blatantly pushed Michael Jordan away for a winning 3 pointer in a playoff game. Sucks, but the Pacers eventually losing the series anyways makes it all better.:yay: Still I was furious at the time.

[Mister J]

The famous off the screen, Reggie two-handed shove. It was unreal. I couldn't do anything but laugh at the time.

[Tangled Web]

MisterJ here's the link
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253324

[Mister J]

Yeah, I found it. I thought you were coming in here to defend Reggie Miller pushing off because he went to UCLA. I'm mildly disappointed. :csad:

[Tangled Web]

Reggie Miller was great. He lead us to an NIT title over Bobby Knight.

Yeah, I wish he would have gotten a ring. And MJ was a flop artist and he gambled too much. :p

[Jerry]

Reggie Miller was great: NIT title over Bobby Knight

Michael Jordan was a flop artist and gambled too much: Six championships, greatest player in NBA history.

I'll take the latter.

[Immortalfire]

LastSunrise is funny :D

[Alpha and Omega]

Exactly, and it shouldn't be that way. I still think during those times the game was still competitive and wasn't such a big billion dollar machine like it is now.
Major league sports are the only legal monopoly in this country.

Actually, that's probably why a lot of people have turned to college sports; the atmosphere at a college game (baseball, football, basketball) is always in a state of pandemonium. There's a lot of energy in those type of settings. Going to a professional game (at least around my area - with the exception of pro-football) is sort of lackluster.

The Olympics is living proof how much the NBA players suck when the officials aren't bailing them out, see how horribly Wade did in the games?

The world has narrowed the gap or even rendered it extinct in terms of a talent/player comparison for the US vs other countries, but this olympic match wasn't a failure for the US. Actually, it was a success.

The Greek team who ousted them had played together for 10 consecutive seasons. Team US had less than several months to prepare, other than the fact that FIBA rules are closer to those of the collegiate level.

I agree that the game isn't what it used to be though.


I just want the game to have its dignity back.
hahahahahaha.:woot:

There's no integrity or pride in the game anymore, it's all about the dunk and popularity contests. The only way it'll change is when $tern leaves the NBA and someone who knows the game takes over.
That's not necessarily the sole fault of Stern. The league has a new generation of fans, and people are more interested in certain things.

Ex: The rule changes that encourage offensive play and simultaneously harm what a defensive player can and can't do. I think that it only contributes to bad calls by officials.

[NOFX]

Amare looks like he still has hops! But he looks like he lost some weight, I swear he looks like a SF than a PF

[Ben Urich]

Good article. One of the better ones that I've seen on the subject recently. Just further reinforces the dearth of centers in the League today. Seriously, look at the names at 6-10.

Don't laugh at Brad Miller. :cmad:

[NOFX]

Don't laugh at Brad Miller. :cmad:
Yup and Chris Kaman is going to be a good/solid center in the league if he isnt already.

[LastSunrise1981]

Why would I whine if the Heat lose? :huh: If you had been paying attention, you'd know that my favorite team is the Pacers.
I'm not here to support the Heat; I'm here to make sure you know that you're a ****ing idiot. :up:

As a Pacer fan you should know what it feels like to be screwed over. In my opinion, I feel Indiana was definitely screwed out of the championships in 2000.

From my perspective they were the better team and the Lakers were getting the benefit of the calls in 2000. So as a fan and seeing how close your favorite team was to winning, you should know what it feels like to see them get to close and then watch them get screwed by the officials.

I'm just saying the game needs to change. I miss the days where players could actually play defense and not be called for a foul. I miss the days when the officials and the league just let the players play and them decide who is the best.

Now it appears if you breath or go near a Shaq, Wade, Kobe, Duncan, Lebron, or an Amare then you'll be called for a foul. It's superstar calls like those that ruin and make people question the integrity of the game. Don't get me wrong, I know Jordan, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, and Hakeem got a lot of those same biased superstar calls too.

But it just didn't seem like they were overshadowing the game and both teams still had a shot to win it all.

In the end the Heat are the 2006 champions even though I still believe and feel their trophy as an asterisk.

[NOFX]

As a Pacer fan you should know what it feels like to be screwed over. In my opinion, I feel Indiana was definitely screwed out of the championships in 2000.

From my perspective they were the better team and the Lakers were getting the benefit of the calls in 2000. So as a fan and seeing how close your favorite team was to winning, you should know what it feels like to see them get to close and then watch them get screwed by the officials.

Hahahahahaha Number 1they had no answer's to Shaq If you want to scare the Lakers at all you have slow him down a little bit, and they couldnt even do that!. Number two people forget Kobe was injured in game 1 and didnt come back until game 4 and he wasnt even 100% and still the paces couldnt beat the Lakers. Please leave the nostalgia trip to yourself!

[LastSunrise1981]

Hahahahahaha Number 1they had no answer's to Shaq If you want to scare the Lakers at all you have slow him down a little bit, and they couldnt even do that!. Number two people forget Kobe was injured in game 1 and didnt come back until game 4 and he wasnt even 100% and still the paces couldnt beat the Lakers. Please leave the nostalgia trip to yourself!

You're entitled to your own opinion. :yay:

Kobe being "injured" is simply an excuse Laker fans use whenever their team loses a game or a series. But continue to believe what you want my friend.

[NOFX]

You're entitled to your own opinion. :yay:

Kobe being "injured" is simply an excuse Laker fans use whenever their team loses a game or a series. But continue to believe what you want my friend.
Give me your address so I show my recorded tapes of the Lakers/Pacers Finals! When Shaq dominates no one has a chance!

[Ghostvirus]

LastSunrise1981 - Just admit it. You don't care about the integrity of the league. You are just pissy because your team got beat. Here are some facts for ya!

Fact - If it wasn't for Stoudamire being injured, & Duncan not being 100%. Dallas wouldn't even of been to the finals.

Fact - Dirk is not as good as people make him out to be.

Fact - Wade is the future.

Fact - When Shaq is on. You still can't stop him. It is already being proven the only thing that can stop him is age.

Fact - As long as Cuban is running the Mavs, & acting like a R-Tard. They will not get over the hump.

Fact - If they do get near the Hump there are plenty of teams that will escort them back to Kenney's fishing boat.

Look you can keep repeating the same thing over, & over again, or you can just suck it up. Dust yourself off, & hope that maybe it will happen this year.

[Mister J]

That's one of the few times I've seen someone suggest that the Pacers were better than the Lakers in 2000; the others were Pacer fans. Honestly, I believe Indy did well to win 2 games that year. That's the Diesel in his prime. It was lights out for any and everybody. Shaq and Kobe with some of the best role players in the game? Yikes.

I'm glad O'Neal and Bryant couldn't get along and Buss felt the need to pick one or other. They still could have been raising hell today.

[LastSunrise1981]

LastSunrise1981 - Just admit it. You don't care about the integrity of the league. You are just pissy because your team got beat. Here are some facts for ya!

Fact - If it wasn't for Stoudamire being injured, & Duncan not being 100%. Dallas wouldn't even of been to the finals.

Fact - Dirk is not as good as people make him out to be.

Fact - Wade is the future.

Fact - When Shaq is on. You still can't stop him. It is already being proven the only thing that can stop him is age.

Fact - As long as Cuban is running the Mavs, & acting like a R-Tard. They will not get over the hump.

Fact - If they do get near the Hump there are plenty of teams that will escort them back to Kenney's fishing boat.

Look you can keep repeating the same thing over, & over again, or you can just suck it up. Dust yourself off, & hope that maybe it will happen this year.

The Spurs had a chance and took the Mavs to a 7 game series. Truthfully, I think the Suns would've lasted A LOT longer had they not gone 7 games with the Lakers.

Part of me feels the Suns were just burnt out after that.

Yes, I do want the game to have its integrity back. We'll see how you feel if Chicago happens to get screwed over by the officials this year. :yay: I'll save and keep in mind a lot of what you told me, that way if it happens I'll just say the same things that you're telling me now.

The game needs to go back to the era of Jordan, Bird, Magic, Thomas, Robertson, Maravich, and West.

Those were the days when the game was about heart, competition, and toughness. You call it whining and crying, I call it realistic facts.

I felt Indiana got screwed in 2000 and I DEFINITELY feel Sacramento got screwed in 2002. The only teams that I feel will make much of a dent in the west will be the Lakers, Suns, Sacramento, Rockets, and Dallas.

I don't see San Antonio being a major threat at all this year. I definitely say watch out for the Lakers though, it's only a matter of time before they click and make noise in the playoffs.

[Mister J]

Don't laugh at Brad Miller. :cmad:
Yup and Chris Kaman is going to be a good/solid center in the league if he isnt already.
Brad Miller and Chris Kaman? Really? Miller and Kaman? ...:dry:

The fact that both of them are legitimately top 10 centers is worthy of a head-scratch. God, I hope Yao pans out. There needs to be at least one badass center left after Shaq Daddy hangs 'em up.

[NOFX]

Brad Miller and Chris Kaman? Really? Miller and Kaman? ...:dry:

The fact that both of them are legitimately top 10 centers is worthy of a head-scratch. God, I hope Yao pans out. There needs to be at least one badass center left after Shaq Daddy hangs 'em up.
Look on the brightside, Greg Oden will be in the NBA next season!

[Mister J]

I so want him to flop. He's been in flippin' high school and I've had to hear about him for two years. Lebron playing on the perimeter was one thing. This guy in the paint is another. This can't work. It just can't.

[NOFX]

I so want him to flop. He's been in flippin' high school and I've had to hear about him for two years. Lebron playing on the perimeter was one thing. This guy in the paint is another. This can't work. It just can't.
You want to give up on the guy already? He hasnt even played a college game yet!

[Alpha and Omega]

Brad Miller and Chris Kaman? Really? Miller and Kaman? ...:dry:

The fact that both of them are legitimately top 10 centers is worthy of a head-scratch. God, I hope Yao pans out. There needs to be at least one badass center left after Shaq Daddy hangs 'em up.

:) lmao.

Well, you know, there's always Nene and Michael Olowakandi(sp? ah, does it even matter?).:woot:

[Mister J]

You want to give up on the guy already? He hasnt even played a college game yet!
I don't know what he'll do in actuality. I'm just sick of hearing about him. All the hype may well be deserved, but I want to him to flop so I can laugh. Besides, I can't stand Ohio State.

[NOFX]

Well Donald Sterling again silence the critics that he's for real signing a 5 year 50 Million dollar extension Center Chris Kaman. Its about what I expected, considering the other overpaid centers in the league.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/clippers/la-sp-cliprep16oct16,1,3157588.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-clippe&ctrack=1&cset=true

[Mister J]

Hey, if Jerome James can get 5Y/30M and Erica Dampier can get 7Y/73M, this doesn't seem out of line at all. At least Kaman is productive.

[NOFX]

Hey, if Jerome James can get 5Y/30M and Erica Dampier can get 7Y/73M, this doesn't seem out of line at all. At least Kaman is productive.
DAMPIER GOT 73 MILLION???!!! Thats not just stupid, thats ****ing evil!:whatever:

[Mister J]

Hey, he's the self-proclaimed 2nd best center in the NBA. :rolleyes:

God, he couldn't even make that top 10 list. He should be fined if he says it again.

[Ben Urich]

Brad Miller and Chris Kaman? Really? Miller and Kaman? ...:dry:

The fact that both of them are legitimately top 10 centers is worthy of a head-scratch. God, I hope Yao pans out. There needs to be at least one badass center left after Shaq Daddy hangs 'em up.

Miller is tenacious on D and has a great jumper :cmad:

[Ben Urich]

DAMPIER GOT 73 MILLION???!!! Thats not just stupid, thats ****ing evil!:whatever:

Remember Jim McIlvane?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/91/040511_mcilvaine.jpg/180px-040511_mcilvaine.jpg
Seven years, $34 million. Career ppg: 2.7, RPG 3.1.

[NOFX]

Remember Jim McIlvane?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/91/040511_mcilvaine.jpg/180px-040511_mcilvaine.jpg
Seven years, $34 million. Career ppg: 2.7, RPG 3.1.
I would have been pissed too Shawn Kemp!

[LastSunrise1981]

DAMPIER GOT 73 MILLION???!!! Thats not just stupid, thats ****ing evil!:whatever:

As much as I love the Mavericks, please tell me Dampier isn't getting paid 73 million. I mean he did pretty decent I guess this year, but he's definitely not worth 73 million as he plays like a old man.

[Fran]

Holy ****. Poor Mark Cuban :csad:

[NOFX]

Holy ****. Poor Mark Cuban :csad:
How does he sleep at night:huh:

[Ben Urich]

How does he sleep at night:huh:

With five virgins on sheets made of Benjamins. :o

[NOFX]

With five virgins on sheets made of Benjamins. :o
But a good percentage of those Benjamins went to Eric Dampier:(

[Ben Urich]

But a good percentage of those Benjamins went to Eric Dampier:(

Hey, he's averaging 7 ppg in the preseason so it's a good investment. :whatever:

[NOFX]

Hey, he's averaging 7 ppg in the preseason so it's a good investment. :whatever:
Thats 6 points too much!

[DarthRekal]

I'm glad O'Neal and Bryant couldn't get along and Buss felt the need to pick one or other. They still could have been raising hell today.
:cmad: i hate you mister j!:csad:


on the bright side...our young cats look GOOD!


turiaf!

devin green!


bynum!




FARMAR is tha TRUTH!

[DarthRekal]

Farmar is the truth!.... he got under Nash's skin...



Tipoff against the Kings tonigh 7pm PST:word:

[Mister J]

I might have to try to find some of this Laker preseason action. Everybody's running their mouth about Farmar.

[Alpha and Omega]

The Lakers play the Clippers on Thurs. 10:30 on TNT, I believe.

[Mister J]

Furthering the forementioned sign of the impending Apocalypse...

Erick Dampier

Signed a 7 year, $73 million contract 8/25/04
Free agent: Summer 2011
Contract breakdown:
2004-2005 $7,700,000
2005-2006 $8,662,500
2006-2007 $9,625,000
2007-2008 $10,587,500
2008-2009 $11,550,000
2009-2010 $12,112,500
2010-2011 $13,075,000

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1867027

[NOFX]

The Lakers play the Clippers on Thurs. 10:30 on TNT, I believe.
Its not on local tv:( I might have to go to a bar to see it.

[DarthRekal]

I might have to try to find some of this Laker preseason action. Everybody's running their mouth about Farmar.

keep in mind he's a rookie and he's like 19...but dude is ready to go!...:wow:

[NOFX]

keep in mind he's a rookie and he's like 19...but dude is ready to go!...:wow:
He has such poise as a rookie. He plays like he's been in the league for 10 years!

[NOFX]

Josh Howard upset after being offered 5 year 27.5 Million

[Mister J]

In all fairness, I hear that deal would have been for 5M more if Howard hadn't called that time out late in Game 5.

[Equint77]

alright... 23 wins... the larry brown debacle..... still a knick fan... and I have to say this.... I was pissed the Knicks drafted Renaldo Balkmon but the guy won me over in july at the summer league and into pre-season has continued to impress me.

They look good so far.... which doesn't say so much but it's a totally different vibe from that muther****ing larry brown... more talking, the players seem to want to work together. I'm not afraid to say I'm optimistic... and after last year... it can't get any worse.

[NOFX]

I was just about to write a lengthy post about the non existent Knicks fans! :D

[Equint77]

I was just about to write a lengthy post about the non existent Knicks fans! :D

you gonna flip flop again this year?

[NOFX]

you gonna flip flop again this year?
Nope Lakers/Clippers will always be my teams!:cool:

[Equint77]

Nope Lakers/Clippers will always be my teams!:cool:

lol.. what a tool. :whatever:

[NOFX]

lol.. what a tool. :whatever:
I support whatever team is in L.A! If the NFL had a team in L.A. I would support them since they dont I dont watch football!

[Immortalfire]

Nope Lakers/Clippers will always be my teams!:cool: Is that even possible? :eek:

[NOFX]

Is that even possible? :eek:
Yes! For example I have a younger brother and a half brother but there still my brothers:o

[Mister J]

I support whatever team is in L.A! If the NFL had a team in L.A. I would support them since they dont I dont watch football!
There's always the L.A. Avengers. :up:

[NOFX]

There's always the L.A. Avengers. :up:
LOL!

[Equint77]

I support whatever team is in L.A! If the NFL had a team in L.A. I would support them since they dont I dont watch football!

you guys don't even have any teams.... San Diego can't afford to keep a team... and god knows why Minny lost the Lakers...

[Equint77]

Yes! For example I have a younger brother and a half brother but there still my brothers:o

you're all a bunch of half-breeds..

mutant scum. :ninja:

[NOFX]

you guys don't even have any teams.... San Diego can't afford to keep a team... and god knows why Minny lost the Lakers...
We have the dodgers, Angels, Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Mighty Ducks, Galaxy, just to name a few.

[NOFX]

you're all a bunch of half-breeds..

mutant scum. :ninja:
Call my half bro that, not me! Im 100% Indonesian!:cool:

[Equint77]

We have the dodgers, Angels, Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Mighty Ducks, Galaxy, just to name a few.

the dodgers - originated in Brooklyn
the lakers - originated in Minnesota
the clippers - originated in San Diego
the galaxy??? who the **** are they? your lacross team?

you guys have so much vacant space that you can afford to recycle franchises. :ninja:

[Immortalfire]

We have the dodgers, Angels*, Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Mighty Ducks, Galaxy, just to name a few. Anaheim.


*despite what their idiot owner thinks

[NOFX]

the dodgers - originated in Brooklyn
the lakers - originated in Minnesota
the clippers - originated in San Diego
the galaxy??? who the **** are they? your lacross team?

you guys have so much vacant space that you can afford to recycle franchises. :ninja:
Thats what L.A! We take organizations that were nothing into Greatness!!! Only in L.A. Baby!:cool:

[NOFX]

Anaheim.


*despite what their idiot owner thinks
I go with the official title "Los Angeles Anaheim Angels".

[Immortalfire]

I go with the official title "Los Angeles Anaheim Angels". Someone tell them to please make up their mind.

[Equint77]

Thats what L.A! We take organizations that were nothing into Greatness!!! Only in L.A. Baby!:cool:

aside from the Lakers (I won't go there.. too smart for that)

the dodgers haven't done dick since they won the world series.. in brooklyn.

and the clippers? aside from the last 2-3 years... do I even need to bring them up?

and the Galaxy... I have no ****ing idea what they do... but I'm sure they're your local chess team.

[NOFX]

aside from the Lakers (I won't go there.. too smart for that)

the dodgers haven't done dick since they won the world series.. in brooklyn.

and the clippers? aside from the last 2-3 years... do I even need to bring them up?

and the Galaxy... I have no ****ing idea what they do... but I'm sure they're your local chess team.
Dodgers won the world series in the 80s!
Angels won the World series couple of years ago!
Clippers are destined to be title contenders
The Galaxy is a soccer team which has the championship twice I believe!
And If im not mistaken there was one year when Angels, Lakers, Sparks, and Galaxy won the championship all in one year!:cool:

[LastSunrise1981]

Dodgers won the world series in the 80s!
Angels won the World series couple of years ago!
Clippers are destined to be title contenders
The Galaxy is a soccer team which has the championship twice I believe!
And If im not mistaken there was one year when Angels, Lakers, Sparks, and Galaxy won the championship all in one year!:cool:

The Clippers are good, but they're not title contenders. Mavericks, Spurs, Lakers, Suns, and Houston would easily dispatch them in a heartbeat.

Now if the Clips had Ben Wallace along with Brand, Cassell, and etc then they'd be a worthy title contender. Of course this is simply my opinion.

[Fran]

Watch out for the Pistons.

[MiracloFiend]

:cmad: double post

[MiracloFiend]

the dodgers - originated in Brooklyn
the lakers - originated in Minnesota
the clippers - originated in San Diego
the galaxy??? who the **** are they? your lacross team?


The Clippers actually originated in Buffalo with the Buffalo Braves.

McAdoo, Walton, and Adrian Dantley, baybee...

http://www.thebestlinks.com/images/8/8e/BuffaloBraves.png

[Fran]

Holy double post, Batman!

[Equint77]

i stand corrected.....

[Mister J]

Watch out for the Pistons.
I'm looking forward to seeing them this year. With all this talk of Flip's new up-tempo offense and the loss of Afro Man, I really don't know what to make of them.

[Fran]

I think they'll surprise people. They've still got a good shot at the title, especially since all the attention is off them. That's how they shocked the world the first time!

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm looking forward to seeing them this year. With all this talk of Flip's new up-tempo offense and the loss of Afro Man, I really don't know what to make of them.

The only problem is how defensive minded Ben was. The combination of him and Sheed really made them a deadly team.

I think with Nazr in the mix it gives them a bit more athletic ability and an offensive center since Nazr is a good free throw shooter, can make the jump-shot, and is brings some much needed speed to the offense/defense of Detroit.

I think they'll do very well obviously, they'll miss Ben though.

[Equint77]

The only problem is how defensive minded Ben was. The combination of him and Sheed really made them a deadly team.

I think with Nazr in the mix it gives them a bit more athletic ability and an offensive center since Nazr is a good free throw shooter, can make the jump-shot, and is brings some much needed speed to the offense/defense of Detroit.

I think they'll do very well obviously, they'll miss Ben though.

as someone who's seen nazr play (briefly in NY) he's not anything you can hope for... he's a backup center and there are times he can put up decent numbers but it's few and far between.... he had a good stretch in SA but reverted to his old self..... he played with Duncan for god's sake and he couldn't boost his numbers.

I'm not trying to bring Piston's fans down... but you guys have a gaping hole at center. They have the players to play uptempo... and as long as Rip, Chauncey and Prince stay healthy... they'll be alright.

[Mister J]

The only problem is how defensive minded Ben was. The combination of him and Sheed really made them a deadly team.

I think with Nazr in the mix it gives them a bit more athletic ability and an offensive center since Nazr is a good free throw shooter, can make the jump-shot, and is brings some much needed speed to the offense/defense of Detroit.

I think they'll do very well obviously, they'll miss Ben though.
Nazr definitely brings some offense and speed to the table, but I was primarily thinking about their defense. Ben's intimidating presence helped a lot on the perimeter in terms of how aggresive Detroit could be. Consider how lazy they looked on D in the playoffs (they didn't rotate as well, their traps were less effective, etc.) and it's like they'll have to win in an entirely different fashion.

I don't think they'll have a fall off like some are predicting, but an up-tempo Detroit team? ...it just sounds weird. I'm just wondering how they'll adapt to not having that defensive lockdown mode to go into when they make their runs.

[Equint77]

Nazr definitely brings some offense and speed to the table, but I was primarily thinking about their defense. Ben's intimidating presence helped a lot on the perimeter in terms of how aggresive Detroit could be. Consider how lazy they looked on D in the playoffs (they didn't rotate as well, their traps were less effective, etc.) and it's like they'll have to win in an entirely different fashion.

I don't think they'll have a fall off like some are predicting, but an up-tempo Detroit team? ...it just sounds weird.

it's the new NBA trend.. uptempo basketball... hell even Van Gundy is gonna speed up Houston's offense... something I thought would NEVER happen.. the man lives in the half court sets.

and if the Defense was flat... you have to look at Flip... it's the same team that LB coached....hell with a slighter edge in getting a backup like Antonio.

But think of things this way... you can only play uptempo bball if you get the rebound.... unless it's a team effort or Sheed decideds he's gonna focus on the boards... The Pistons aren't gonna be running as much as they'd like.

[NOFX]

The Clippers are good, but they're not title contenders. Mavericks, Spurs, Lakers, Suns, and Houston would easily dispatch them in a heartbeat.

Now if the Clips had Ben Wallace along with Brand, Cassell, and etc then they'd be a worthy title contender. Of course this is simply my opinion.
Hahahahaha Suns took 7 games to beat the clips. Lakers would take 7 games as well but the series will be toss up. Houston would be toss up. Clippers would give the mavs well but in the Mavs would win 6 games. Same with spurs. But like I said the Clippers will soon be title contenders. There one piece away.

[Equint77]

Hahahahaha Suns took 7 games to beat the clips. Lakers would take 7 games as well but the series will be toss up. Houston would be toss up. Clippers would give the mavs well but in the Mavs would win 6 games. Same with spurs. But like I said the Clippers will soon be title contenders. There one piece away.

why are you laughing at the Suns... they did that without Amare....

are you out of your mind????

[NOFX]

why are you laughing at the Suns... they did that without Amare....

are you out of your mind????
Im laughing at the fact sunrise thinks the suns will dominate the Clippers! Clippers could have easily won Game 3 or 5 but lost due to mental errors(Lack of experience). WIth Amare u know dont know what he can do this year? From what I've saw him against the Lakers is that he's still atheletic but lost alot of weight! He really looks like a SF and he suppose to be playing at center! Clippers will give problems to any team they play in the playoffs! Like I've said before one piece away from real title contenders. I think one more trade for someone like A.I, Paul Peirce, Or even Ray Allen will become real title contenders.

[Jerry]

the clippers - originated in San Diego....


...discovered of course by the Germans in 1954. They called it San Diego, which of course translated means a whale's vagina.

[Equint77]

Im laughing at the fact sunrise thinks the suns will dominate the Clippers! Clippers could have easily won Game 3 or 5 but lost due to mental errors(Lack of experience). WIth Amare u know dont know what he can do this year? From what I've saw him against the Lakers is that he's still atheletic but lost alot of weight! He really looks like a SF and he suppose to be playing at center! Clippers will give problems to any team they play in the playoffs! Like I've said before one piece away from real title contenders. I think one more trade for someone like A.I, Paul Peirce, Or even Ray Allen will become real title contenders.

that's right you don't know what the suns can do this year with Amare back... but you're acting like going the distance in order to beat the clips last year is something to laugh at..... especially when the suns were missing one of the most important players on their team.

And how the hell are the clips gonna get any one of those players... especially since they're all max contracts.... and let's assume they do manage to get one of them... kiss Elton goodbye.....

I would have agreed if you said you guys need a decent swingman... but jesus... you named all-stars... last I checked it took Elgin Baylor 20 years to get to this point...

[NOFX]

that's right you don't know what the suns can do this year with Amare back... but you're acting like going the distance in order to beat the clips last year is something to laugh at..... especially when the suns were missing one of the most important players on their team.

And how the hell are the clips gonna get any one of those players... especially since they're all max contracts.... and let's assume they do manage to get one of them... kiss Elton goodbye.....

I would have agreed if you said you guys need a decent swingman... but jesus... you named all-stars... last I checked it took Elgin Baylor 20 years to get to this point...
What are you talking about? we almost got Ron Artest last year! If Maggette wasnt injured he would be a clip and the Clips would be instant title contender! One intersting thing to look at is Chris Kaman. Thats one player thats very attractive to alot of teams because he's a young center that produces from the offensive and defensive side! We have SOFA aka baby shaq who's becoming one of the best players in Europe! We can package a sign in trade deal with Kaman+Maggette to get a legit all-star ala Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, A.I, hell even KG would work. Like I've said Clippers are on the rise! I havent even mentioned Shaun Livingston great play this pre-season!

[Equint77]

What are you talking about? we almost got Ron Artest last year! If Maggette wasnt injured he would be a clip and the Clips would be instant title contender! One intersting thing to look at is Chris Kaman. Thats one player thats very attractive to alot of teams because he's a young center that produces from the offensive and defensive side! We have SOFA aka baby shaq who's becoming one of the best players in Europe! We can package a sign in trade deal with Kaman+Maggette to get a legit all-star ala Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, A.I, hell even KG would work. Like I've said Clippers are on the rise! I havent even mentioned Shaun Livingston great play this pre-season!

i'm guessing you think NBA trades are as easy in real life as they are in LIVE...

So basically if you're boston, Seattle, Philly or Minny.. you trade a sub-par center and a talented (although injury prone SF) for your franchise player... hmm interesting. And who are these teams who are interested in Kaman? Who have they offered up?

And Artest gonna be shipped out no matter what... and guess what Indiana got for him... Peja.... Also making a trade that dramatic doesn't mean you'd have success over night.. hell sometimes even a season.. and why jeopordize what they have done simply to trade for a SG with a name.

And yeah... Livingston is a solid player but he's still wayys off from being prime-time.... not to mention the fact that Cassell is now a year older and it's just a matter of time before his body starts to really break down.

[NOFX]

i'm guessing you think NBA trades are as easy in real life as they are in LIVE...

So basically if you're boston, Seattle, Philly or Minny.. you trade a sub-par center and a talented (although injury prone SF) for your franchise player... hmm interesting. And who are these teams who are interested in Kaman? Who have they offered up?

And Artest gonna be shipped out no matter what... and guess what Indiana got for him... Peja.... Also making a trade that dramatic doesn't mean you'd have success over night.. hell sometimes even a season.. and why jeopordize what they have done simply to trade for a SG with a name.

And yeah... Livingston is a solid player but he's still wayys off from being prime-time.... not to mention the fact that Cassell is now a year older and it's just a matter of time before his body starts to really break down.
This is the NBA! I never thought Shaq would get traded but he did! Trades happen more often than you know! Elgin Baylor almost pulled the trade with A.I. but didnt because he knows Livingston will be a star! The propose trade was for A.I./Andre Igodudla for Maggette/Mobley and Livingston. Livingston is has been playing sick this pre-season! I look for him if him to be one of the top candidates for 6th man and most improved player! And about Kaman, any coach would see he's a very productive center who's due to have a breakout year! Look for him to average 14-15ppg and 10rpg! What GM wouldnt want those stats at center!!! I look for Clippers to stick with the team they have right now. Stay healty and lets see what we can really do this year! After that I think they will decide do we want win right now? or stick with our young guys and continue to develop. Overall things are looking good for the Clips!

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This is the NBA! I never thought Shaq would get traded but he did! Trades happen more often than you know! Elgin Baylor almost pulled the trade with A.I. but didnt because he knows Livingston will be a star! The propose trade was for A.I./Andre Igodudla for Maggette/Mobley and Livingston. Livingston is has been playing sick this pre-season! I look for him if him to be one of the top candidates for 6th man and most improved player! And about Kaman, any coach would see he's a very productive center who's due to have a breakout year! Look for him to average 14-15ppg and 10rpg! What GM wouldnt want those stats at center!!! I look for Clippers to stick with the team they have right now. Stay healty and lets see what we can really do this year! After that I think they will decide do we want win right now? or stick with our young guys and continue to develop. Overall things are looking good for the Clips!

all you keep saying is "almost"... and yes.. trades do happen.. but you seem to think they're all lopsided.

and now you're just confusing fan optimism with delusion.... and it's not like I don't want the clips to do well... it actually makes no difference to me. If Kaman can get those numbers without taking anything away from Brand... awesome... but what are the chances of that happening.

You also contradicted yourself... first you say you need a swingman... and now you're saying the team is fine the way it is. You trade for Ray Allen... you're gonna lose a lot... either in depth or a player of equal value or contract. But hell it's your team... you know them better.

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all you keep saying is "almost"... and yes.. trades do happen.. but you seem to think they're all lopsided.

and now you're just confusing fan optimism with delusion.... and it's not like I don't want the clips to do well... it actually makes no difference to me. If Kaman can get those numbers without taking anything away from Brand... awesome... but what are the chances of that happening.

You also contradicted yourself... first you say you need a swingman... and now you're saying the team is fine the way it is. You trade for Ray Allen... you're gonna lose a lot... either in depth or a player of equal value or contract. But hell it's your team... you know them better.
Im not contradicting myself I've always said the Clips are a team on the rise! One piece away from being title contenders! Unless there's some offer clips cant pass up, the clips will stick with there current players. The Clips Plan I believe is to stick to the team we have right now and see what we can do this year and then decide from there if they need changes to get to the next step. The clippers have a nice team where they can trade guys without losing Brand or Livingston. Two guys who I think is untradeble unless there getting a superstar like Lebron or Wade but thats very unlikely. Next year look for them to get an all star or a big scorer at the SG or SF someone like Ray Allen, Rashaed Lewis, Lou Deng(Rumored), Paul Perice, Stephen Jackson, Josh Howard, Caron Butler, etc...

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Im not contradicting myself I've always said the Clips are a team on the rise! One piece away from being title contenders! Unless there's some offer clips cant pass up, the clips will stick with there current players. The Clips Plan I believe is to stick to the team we have right now and see what we can do this year and then decide from there if they need changes to get to the next step. The clippers have a nice team where they can trade guys without losing Brand or Livingston. Two guys who I think is untradeble unless there getting a superstar like Lebron or Wade but thats very unlikely. Next year look for them to get an all star or a big scorer at the SG or SF someone like Ray Allen, Rashaed Lewis, Lou Deng(Rumored), Paul Perice, Stephen Jackson, Josh Howard, Caron Butler, etc...

now you're getting realistic.... and it would be stupid for any team to make drastic changes after the year the clips had... if anything you sign free agents to build rather than trade for change's sake.

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now you're getting realistic.... and it would be stupid for any team to make drastic changes after the year the clips had... if anything you sign free agents to build rather than trade for change's sake.
If I was Elgin Baylor I would really take advantage of Sonics situation. There not looking to win and there actually looking to sell there franchise! If somehow we can deal Maggette for a Rashard Lewis that would be GOLD for us! But thats for next year;)

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If I was Elgin Baylor I would really take advantage of Sonics situation. There not looking to win and there actually looking to sell there franchise! If somehow we can deal Maggette for a Rashard Lewis that would be GOLD for us! But thats for next year;)

lol... that's very JAL-ish grammar.

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lol... that's very JAL-ish grammar.
He's my half brother that I mentioned earlier:o