Amazing Spider-Man #533 Spoilers [Archive]

stillanerd

06-23-2006, 05:16 PM

From the Spider-Man message boards at comicboards.com

got it in the mail today.
1. jjj is pissed.. the bugle is sueing pete for no less than 5 million.
2.reed called pete while he and mj and may were on the phone... it was stupid... just filler material.
3.flash thompson does NOT believe its true.
4.edwin brock is lying in the hospital while doc ock, vulture, and lots of villians and heroes watch it on tv.vulture says this is gonna cause spidey alot of problems...(duh)
5.tony stark is on tv saying he has the identities of 137 heroes. if they do not come forward they will be hunted down, imprisoned....without exception. says he has a strike team which consists of reed richards, hank pym, and spiderman. which pete takes exception to.
6. some guy trys to shoot pete but pete... out of costume.. in a crowd.. webs the gun and it blows up in the guys hand.
7.spidey confronts iron man and iron man shows him a room with all the pro registration people in it. i dont know who all of them are but the ones i know are doc samson, she hulk, the fantastic four minus torch, yellow jacket, the wasp+ 5 more people i don't know.

http://www.comicboards.com/smb/view.php?trd=060623215423

One quesion: If the government already had the identities of 137 heroes (which means S.H.I.E.L.D. also had them) then what is the point of registering heroes? I know quite a few people pointed this out. Also, once again, Iron Man is being portrayed as the "heavy" despite Marvel's claims of there being "no right or wrong side."

Idio

06-23-2006, 06:10 PM

You mean Eddie Brock?? So this confirms he didn't die.

stillanerd

06-23-2006, 06:35 PM

Apparently.

MajinShenron

06-23-2006, 06:42 PM

No, knowing the identities doesn't mean it's over. They have to be under Shield's eye remember?

The Joker

06-23-2006, 07:17 PM

LOL! Classic Jameson. Peter has saved his ass more times than he cares to remember, Jameson creates super villains and uses spider slayers to kill Peter, and now he's sueing Pete for 5 million dollars :D

Glad it shows the villain's first hand reactions to the unmasking. Looking forward to that. Though what the hell is the Vulture doing?? He was captured at the beginning of Civil War #2.

I hope the writers don't start screwing stuff up with all these crossovers.

Dyeathrose

06-23-2006, 07:47 PM

Glad it shows the villain's first hand reactions to the unmasking. Looking forward to that. Though what the hell is the Vulture doing?? He was captured at the beginning of Civil War #2.

I hope the writers don't start screwing stuff up with all these crossovers.

Maybe the villians including Vulture are watching the television from prison? Just guessing, and it would explain why some people were commenting Ock looked like he was coming for somewhere rather quickly (IE: being shirtless for no reason).

The Joker

06-23-2006, 07:54 PM

Maybe the villians including Vulture are watching the television from prison? Just guessing, and it would explain why some people were commenting Ock looked like he was coming for somewhere rather quickly (IE: being shirtless for no reason).

I don't think so. Looking at that link posted there, the guy said in one of his replies that Ock was in a warehouse when he watched the unmasking broadcast.

Hopefully Vulture is in jail. He didn't specify where he was.

CaptainStacy

06-23-2006, 08:00 PM

Sounds every bit as interesting as i was hoping for!

Im really interested in seeing Joe Robertson's stance on the current revelation...wonder if he will support JJ, and if so, for how long?

And like Shinlyle mentioned recently; How cool would it be if Deb Whitman showed up and confronted Peter about this?

Things are definitely heating up!

Upset Spideyfan

06-23-2006, 10:48 PM

I'm really getting sick of this Iron Man is an evil bastard theme.

Carnage 707

06-23-2006, 11:49 PM

Well, at least a positive thing to come out of this is that we now have canonical evidence Eddie is alive (then again, alot of good continuity and canon does with Marvel nowadays.)

stillanerd

06-24-2006, 01:59 AM

No, knowing the identities doesn't mean it's over. They have to be under Shield's eye remember?

True. But technically, if they already have the identities of 137 superheroes in their database, wouldn't they automatically be registered by deflaut? After all, Joe Quesada said that since O.N.E. has the 198 files on the mutants, then they were registered by deflaut. So shouldn't the other 137 superheroes be as well? Which means that since they already had their names on file, technically, S.H.I.E.L.D. could've contacted some of them without the use of troops. Unless of course they didn't have the list of the 137 superheroes and somebody gave it to them--most likely Tony Stark himself. And if that's the case, then he's REALLY crossed the line into villain territory by selling out people who were his friends and colleagues.

Themanofbat

06-24-2006, 08:08 AM

True. But technically, if they already have the identities of 137 superheroes in their database, wouldn't they automatically be registered by deflaut? After all, Joe Quesada said that since O.N.E. has the 198 files on the mutants, then they were registered by deflaut. So shouldn't the other 137 superheroes be as well? Which means that since they already had their names on file, technically, S.H.I.E.L.D. could've contacted some of them without the use of troops. Unless of course they didn't have the list of the 137 superheroes and somebody gave it to them--most likely Tony Stark himself. And if that's the case, then he's REALLY crossed the line into villain territory by selling out people who were his friends and colleagues.

But the spoiler doesn't say that the government has the identities of 137 heroes... it says that Tony makes that statement. And I think it means that he's identified 137 heroes and they all need to comeforth.

That's how I'm looking at it...

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Captivated

06-24-2006, 11:30 AM

JJJ sues on what grounds?! Peter sold him pictures of Spider-Man, and they WERE pictures of Spider-Man. Don't see what he can sue him for.

But that is so typical of JJJ... that he would be angry... but I hope they go deeper. That's surface. That can't be all he is feeling. Inspite of all Jonah's blustering he liked Peter. He must be feeling a lot of different things...

His reaction is complicated somewhat by the storyline where he believed Spider-Man was his son... he didn't get angry that his son had been "keeping secrets."

Arach Knight

06-24-2006, 11:49 AM

I still think this was one of the worst things to happen to Spidey in recent history, which is a pretty long track record sadly. I can't even say slowly but surely. It's been a rapid fire bone-a-thon of Spider-Man's legacy for the past four years.

-Powers aren't science related. Instead, they derive from cosmic nature god's that hold sway of the fate of all of the Spider-Men in history.

-Gwen Stacy was not a paragon of innocence, and instead cheated on Peter Parker with his worst enemy, for no apparent reason.

-After having been the Man-Spider once, being the Man-Spider this time, has given Peter the near useless and borderline Aquaman type ability, to speak to small insects/arachnids and the such.

-Iron Spidey suit that turns Peter into Iron-Man lite. Complete with symbiote style camo and all kinds of telescopic and armored capabilities.

-His apartment burns down and so does his aunts house, forcing him to move into the Avengers tower, which is completely funded by Tony Stark, thus meaning that Peter no longer has to really have a job, beyond being Spider-Man. His joe schmoe life is destroyed, in favor of essentially making him into Robin. Hell, he even has the yellow trim and youth to match. He doesn't have a utility belt, but his new costume can sure do a whole hell of a lot more than chuck out spidey tracers and hold film rolls and web cartridges.

Amazing to think that Stan Lee spent a decade writing Spider-Man stories from the early 60's to the early 70's...but it has taken only half of that time to destroy nearly everything that made the character who he was. And now, they are using Spidey's own mantra of great responsibility, to burn him even worse. I'm glad Stan Lee is still with is, becase I shudder to think that if not, he would be rolling in his grave at this very moment.

Dragon

06-24-2006, 12:13 PM

MaxCarnage

06-24-2006, 12:22 PM

They are definitely setting this reveal up to be retconned. I have no doubt about that now.

Citizen_Kaine

06-24-2006, 12:38 PM

Peter took money (I forget how much) when he falsely outed John Jr. as Spider-Man in MKSM #8.

500 grand. As well there is just the small little fact, of "Spider-Man selling photo's of himself" that will probably cripple the Bugles credibility and readership. JJJ's right, Peter's was being a ****ing git. JJJ would probably prefer to have Spider-Man's identity secret over that. (Just wait a couple of months JJJ, and this whole publicity stunt of a storyline will be retconned, back to plot thread hell, where it belongs)

CaptainStacy

06-24-2006, 01:14 PM

JJJ sues on what grounds?! Peter sold him pictures of Spider-Man, and they WERE pictures of Spider-Man. Don't see what he can sue him for.

But that is so typical of JJJ... that he would be angry... but I hope they go deeper. That's surface. That can't be all he is feeling. Inspite of all Jonah's blustering he liked Peter. He must be feeling a lot of different things...

Agreed. They MUST do a scene where Peter and Jonah meet face to face, and in private. Maybe the Bugle offices, after hours...that way, there is no one around for Jonah to "keep up gruff appearances for", and he can speak from the heart...

stillanerd

06-24-2006, 03:07 PM

But the spoiler doesn't say that the government has the identities of 137 heroes... it says that Tony makes that statement. And I think it means that he's identified 137 heroes and they all need to comeforth.

That's how I'm looking at it...

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Well if that's the case then Iron Man just sold out a bunch of his friends and colleagues, which pretty much reinforces the notion that he's one of the "bad guys" in Civil War and that the readers are not supposed to be rooting for the registration side of things.

Thirteen Shadows

06-24-2006, 03:24 PM

YES! Eddie Brock isn't dead! (at least if the guy who wrote this meant Eddie and not Edwin)

Now to get the symbiote off of Gargan so Venom can reign supreme again!

:venom:

ZeroSuit

06-24-2006, 03:50 PM

i may be alone on this. and i hate hate hate sins past, and i hate hate hate the other. i absolutly do.

but i think this civil war thing...

its interesting.

im excitied to read more.

Captivated

06-24-2006, 03:59 PM

Peter took money (I forget how much) when he falsely outed John Jr. as Spider-Man in MKSM #8.Hmmm... you could be right. Peter did manufacture evidence...

BUT, if I remember right, the backing behind that "prize" money was shady at best, and the whole thing caused several deaths... does JJJ REALLY want that examined closely?

Dragon

06-24-2006, 04:04 PM

Hmmm... you could be right. Peter did manufacture evidence...

BUT, if I remember right, the backing behind that "prize" money was shady at best, and the whole thing caused several deaths... does JJJ REALLY want that examined closely?

I agree that JJJ's lawsuit against Peter is tenuous, and Peter could even countersue because of JJJ's hiring of hitmen and so forth to kill Peter. Peter might even be able to site duress for the John Jr. thing, as it was JJ's mission to ruin Peter's life. But you know JJJ is going to try.

Themanofbat

06-24-2006, 08:01 PM

Well if that's the case then Iron Man just sold out a bunch of his friends and colleagues, which pretty much reinforces the notion that he's one of the "bad guys" in Civil War and that the readers are not supposed to be rooting for the registration side of things.

But, but... the Pro-Legislation heroes ARE the bad guys. :confused:

:(

Maximum Carnage

06-24-2006, 08:39 PM

Spidey vs. Iron Man. I sense it.

Thirteen Shadows

06-24-2006, 09:39 PM

^ hopefully. :D

stillanerd

06-24-2006, 10:37 PM

But, but... the Pro-Legislation heroes ARE the bad guys. :confused:

:(

That's right. So much for the notion that there's "no right or wrong side" in Civil War. Course, there were hints that Marvel was stacking the deck in supporting the anti-registration side long before now, even though, realistically, holding superheroes accountable for their actions makes far more sense than simply "tradition."

Doc Destruction

06-25-2006, 01:25 AM

Superhero lawsuits. RIVETING action. Precisely what turned me on to comic books in the first place.

Not.

Miss Webb

06-25-2006, 05:19 AM

Well, I went to my comic store today and tried to get my copy of CW#2. No luck, it was sold out. Even the manager couldn't get a copy for himself. So I have to wait another week. Meanwhile...

I've waded through around 500 threads on the Civil War topic here. Hmmm...I'm neutral. Sure, I'm not cool with the unmasking, but I can see where this will make a lot of energetic storylines down the road (at least until the status quo returns). I'm seeing a lot of hysteria about changes. okay, fine. But the world didn't tilt yesterday, and the sun didn't blow up. I can see Peter turning on Stark for several reasons. Obviously, if there is a deception he is unaware of he will rebel. Another possibility is the fallout among friends in the superhero community. There's a complexity here that a lot of people are missing (lost in all the screeching). Sure the new costume is ugly but so what? I'm not gonna go into a long speech about it. I can see it now...Spidey confronts Stark all tattered after fighting nonstop for a week...

"You lied to me!"

"Peter, I did what was necessary. You agreed to stand by my side!"

"It was a mistake. I didn't think it through! Now no one trusts me again."

"I'm sorry. They've ruined the suit. Even the arms are broken."

Peter (smiles wierdly) "It doesn't matter. I never needed the toys."

"I never said you did, but-"

"Besides, spiders are masters of camoflague. It occurs to me I can do these things myself."

"Impossible!"

"Fool. I'm the FREAKING SPIDER! Why wear phony arms..."

*Swipswipswip*

"When I can grow my own?!"

Stark (starts running) "NOOOOOOOOooo..."

Dangerous

06-25-2006, 09:30 AM

What are the Spidey books coming to... Spider-man unmasking just further destroys the whole mythos.
I seriously hope this all gets retconed soon, but the more crap that mounts up the less hopefull I become.

Captivated

06-25-2006, 12:21 PM

That's right. So much for the notion that there's "no right or wrong side" in Civil War. Course, there were hints that Marvel was stacking the deck in supporting the anti-registration side long before now, even though, realistically, holding superheroes accountable for their actions makes far more sense than simply "tradition."I was thinking the same thing... training... accountability... there is nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with them having that with their superhero identities alone.

The extremes here don't really make sense. :(

Dyeathrose

06-25-2006, 12:58 PM

I don't think so. Looking at that link posted there, the guy said in one of his replies that Ock was in a warehouse when he watched the unmasking broadcast.

Hopefully Vulture is in jail. He didn't specify where he was.

That's what happens when I reply before looking through all the replies. ;) I do hope Vulture is in jail too, since contradictions within the actual story wouldn't look very good, no matter how convulted Civil War is in terms of comics. I'm kind of curious to see what other villians he was elluding to, or if they were just kind of in the shadows and grouped around a TV.

Won '08

06-25-2006, 01:26 PM

Dangerous

06-25-2006, 03:25 PM

Glad my disarray amuses you Won, wish I could be as nonchalant about it all.

stillanerd

06-25-2006, 04:53 PM

I was thinking the same thing... training... accountability... there is nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with them having that with their superhero identities alone.

The extremes here don't really make sense. :(

Dan Slott once made a very good point with regards to Civil War: If you believe that the Marvel Universe is a place where someone like the Hulk can rampage through city streets, knock down buildings and yet those buildings are empty and no innocent bystanders are accidently killed (which is the conceit in comics) then Captain America's position is right. However, if you believe that the Marvel Universe is similar to the real world in which battles between heroes and villains can result in innocent bystanders getting killed (say like what happened in Stamford), then Iron Man postion is automatically right. End of discussion.

However, this debate over "vigilantism vs. authority" is being overshadowed by a "civil liberties vs. security" argument, not to mention wanting to make it relevant to today's political climate with regards to the "war on terrorism," September 11th, Guantanemo Bay, etc. As a result, Civil War is so far is painting the "anti-registration" side as being the "protagonists" and the pro-registration side the "antagonists," despite the claims from Marvel that there wouldn't be a "right or wrong side." After all, by all indications such as Iron Man manipulating Peter and the public unmasking, we are supposed to be getting the impression that Spider-Man has sided with the wrong group and that he'll see the error of his ways and switch. Like I said, I get the feeling Marvel is playing with a stacked deck.

Webz14

06-25-2006, 06:47 PM

I support the unmasking. I mean, its new, bold, and daring. And makes interesting stories like this.

Then how come everytime I look at the last pages of Civil War #2 I shake my head in shame?

Miss Webb

06-26-2006, 09:45 AM

What was the cover showing Spidey about to lay into Iron man's ass? Was that before or after the unmasking?

Spectre722

06-26-2006, 10:22 AM

i was hoping jonah's response would be a little more mature. i had this whole conversation planned out, like how i would write it.

Webz14

06-26-2006, 10:58 AM

Man, I just finished ASM #533 and I'm am a hair away from becoming a keep the mask on supporter.

SPOILERS AHEAD

I can't believe how things are turning out...I mean everyones now like "hey its peter parker! Lets sue him for all he's worth!" And Iron man's all like "well beat up the other guys or we'll have to beat you." Things are going to crap! I just pray that Spidey will kick the living tar out of that Iron-Butt.

shinlyle

06-26-2006, 11:13 AM

RAMORE

06-26-2006, 12:54 PM

i was hoping jonah's response would be a little more mature. i had this whole conversation planned out, like how i would write it.

but jonah is just a kid immature really when it comes to spidey.

Spiderluke

06-26-2006, 01:11 PM

I support the unmasking. I mean, its new, bold, and daring. And makes interesting stories like this.

Then how come everytime I look at the last pages of Civil War #2 I shake my head in shame?Because you know there are hundreds great of ideas they could make but like the last couple of years of Amazing, are going to be sub-par stories and alot of hype.

Spiderluke

06-26-2006, 01:12 PM

but jonah is just a kid immature really when it comes to spidey.Which is one of the all time greatest things about Spider-man. JJJ is such a little baby when he comes to Spider-man. I love it.

MyPokerShirt

06-26-2006, 02:30 PM

Superhero lawsuits. RIVETING action. Precisely what turned me on to comic books in the first place.

Not.

its supposed to be funny. calm down...

Captivated

06-26-2006, 05:44 PM

Well, this sounds mildly entertaining. I'll probably read it at the con this weekend. Not planning on buying any Spidey stiff until this is retconned (and it will be).

I must profess that it'll be interesting to see what happend between JJJ and Peter. Jonah has every right to sue, seeing as how Peter is now guilty of COUNTLESS acts of fraud by selling pictures of himself to the Bugle.

Of course, it could be argued that, sense doing so defamed himself (through Jonah's countless editorials), that the damage was done, and that the Bugle reaped more benefits from the situation than Parker ever did.

Of course, that won't help him with the John Jameson thing...
How do you figure? It would only be fraud if Peter took pictures of himself and sold them as being of Spider-Man, and he WASN'T Spider-Man. He IS Spider-Man, so it's not fraud. (Except for what he did in regards to John Jameson... but that whole contest was shady to begin with)

Anger can be the overt experssion of many different emotions, all of which I'm sure JJJ must be feeling...

I imagine JJJ feels a little betrayed... in his own way he cared for Peter, and Peter let him burn with anger for years over Spider-Man, without ever trusting him with the truth. (Of course, he just thought his son did the same thing and he didn't go ballistic...)

He's probably feeling embarrassed too.... He doesn't yet know how the whole thing began... and may wonder if Peter/Spider-Man wasn't just laughing at him the whole time... at the irony. This is unfortunately compounded with Peter tricking JJJ concerning his son...

Where Spider-Man was concerned JJJ has also felt fear, and he has felt inadequate... all of which translated into anger.

JJJ has hated Spider-Man so long, it started to define who he is... it's going to be very hard for him to let go of that. It's going to take him awhile to separate his feelings for Spider-Man and for Peter, and to know what's real... He and Peter seriously need to have a heart to heart. Peter needs to tell him about Uncle Ben, his motivation, the reason for the secret, and his desire all these years, inspite of everything, to have JJJ's approval...

It could be so good, if they take the time and don't just deal with the surface... JJJ is mad... yeah, yeah, so what else is new? Go deeper!

Trask

06-26-2006, 09:45 PM

Dan Slott once made a very good point with regards to Civil War: If you believe that the Marvel Universe is a place where someone like the Hulk can rampage through city streets, knock down buildings and yet those buildings are empty and no innocent bystanders are accidently killed (which is the conceit in comics) then Captain America's position is right. However, if you believe that the Marvel Universe is similar to the real world in which battles between heroes and villains can result in innocent bystanders getting killed (say like what happened in Stamford), then Iron Man postion is automatically right. End of discussion.

Well that is not of much help since we know that there have been innocent casualties in Heroes Vs Villans battles before. In MK: SM there were innocent deaths in the fight between SM and Electro (Some of which were even children). In IM we have seen civilian casualties in his fights with villans, so it is not as clear cut as that.

stillanerd

06-27-2006, 12:47 AM

Well that is not of much help since we know that there have been innocent casualties in Heroes Vs Villans battles before. In MK: SM there were innocent deaths in the fight between SM and Electro (Some of which were even children). In IM we have seen civilian casualties in his fights with villans, so it is not as clear cut as that.

Sure it is. By your own examples the Marvel Universe is a place where innocent people can get killed if caught in a fight between superpowered people. Therefore, there should be accountability for the "collateral damage" caused as a result, meaning there is merit in the registration of superbeings.

Trask

06-27-2006, 07:21 AM

Sure it is. By your own examples the Marvel Universe is a place where innocent people can get killed if caught in a fight between superpowered people. Therefore, there should be accountability for the "collateral damage" caused as a result, meaning there is merit in the registration of superbeings.

Yes but anyone can see that the way Civil War is going it looks like the pro-registration group are going to be the "villans" of the story while the anti-registration are going to be the "heroes". By your argument it should be the other way round since it has already been shown that there are "collateral damage" (as you put it).

littleredhat

06-27-2006, 09:27 AM

Oh man I can't wait for the JJJ vs Peter lawsuit to go to court. It'll all seem like Peter is doomed until Aunt May takes the stand.
She'll talk about how often she used to scold Peter for complaining about JJJ and that without the money he gets from the Spider-Man photos they would both be on the streets. She would finish up by saying how proud she was of Peter for being so tolerent of Jonah and that she would have quit long ago.
Then she would give JJJ the look. :mad:

Norman Osborn

06-27-2006, 10:17 AM

He and Peter seriously need to have a heart to heart. Peter needs to tell him about Uncle Ben, his motivation, the reason for the secret, and his desire all these years, inspite of everything, to have JJJ's approval...

....damn...that dialogue, if done well, would be worth the selling price of the entire Civil War arc alone!!...here's hoping

stillanerd

06-27-2006, 05:13 PM

Yes but anyone can see that the way Civil War is going it looks like the pro-registration group are going to be the "villans" of the story while the anti-registration are going to be the "heroes". By your argument it should be the other way round since it has already been shown that there are "collateral damage" (as you put it).

And I agree with you. Despite Marvel's claims of saying there is "no right or wrong side" in Civil War, the pro-registration group are obviously the "villains" or "antagonists" in the story because, lets face, the government is ALWAYS the "bad guys" in comics about 99.5% of the time. I'm not necessarily saying that they should be the "good guys," but it would have been a far more interesting dynamic if Captain America, against his better judgement, was leading the pro-registration heroes--as was originally planned BTW--and him trying to help train and organize the registered heroes while seeing and trying to end the corruption of Agent Hill and S.H.I.E.L.D. from the inside; Iron Man leads the anti-registraion side but is still doing things in an underhanded Machiavellian way; and Spider-Man is conflicted in that while against registration because he believes in keeping secret identities secret in order to protect his loved ones, he finds that the anti-registration side are becoming akin to the very supervillains and criminals they are supposed to be fighting.

MyPokerShirt

06-27-2006, 06:25 PM

Captivated

06-28-2006, 02:52 PM

AmaznSpider-Fan

06-28-2006, 03:55 PM

I loved it, loved it, loved it. It's issues like this that validate why Spidey unmasking was a good idea. Loved how Spidey told Stark, "I call you boss because I know it bugs you,don't start taking it too seriously. Can't wait to see what happens next!"

It's good to see that most of his rogue's know now, even Edwin Brock. :rolleyes: Things should be very interesting for a while.

CaptainStacy

06-28-2006, 04:16 PM

Just read this issue and I actually liked it...

I noticed that the Internet finally crashed over Spidey... LOL.

It was so appropriate for Peter's first reaction after the press conference to be hurling in the bathroom.

I loved the following scene between him and Iron Man. But shouldn't they have had this conversation BEFORE the press conference?

JJJ and Robbie's dialog was good too... although I think Robbie should have had his suspicions. It's more what I was looking for.

The phone conversation in the limo was funny.

I think it made more sense for Peter and MJ to head for the roof tops than an alley, but then we couldn't have had them accosted by the press...

Liked that Peter got tough with Tony... especially the boss comment. About time.

Pretty much my sentiments as well...

However, I think Tony publicly committed Peter to his strike force without asking first as a way of putting Peter between a rock and a hard place. If Peter backs out, it makes him look wishy washy in the press....(which is whats going to happen, anyway..)

Yeah, this was a great issue. Loved Aunt May's dawning horror at the prospect of Peter and Captain America coming to blows...

The Joker

06-28-2006, 04:39 PM

Hey Captain, do we see any villain's reactions in this??

CaptainStacy

06-28-2006, 05:02 PM

Hey Captain, do we see any villain's reactions in this??

Kinda....

We see Eddie Brock watching tv from a hospital bed...

Doc Ock watching from an abandoned warehouse...

And Vulture from somewhere....he's the only one who made a verbal threat out loud towards Peter and family...

I thought of you when i saw Doc Ock...looked like he was doing something interesting...pick the issue up and come back here so we can discuss!

Also; Frontline #2 has Osborn's reaction from prison. Priceless.

Captivated

06-28-2006, 05:09 PM

Also; Frontline #2 has Osborn's reaction from prison. Priceless.
Who was there with him... showing him the video? Didn't it sound like they were threatening Peter?

The Joker

06-28-2006, 05:10 PM

We see Eddie Brock watching tv from a hospital bed...

Doc Ock watching from an abandoned warehouse...

And Vulture from somewhere....he's the only one who made a verbal threat out loud towards Peter and family...

Cool. But I thought Vulture had been captured though at the beginning of Civil War #2 :confused:

I thought of you when i saw Doc Ock

LOL! I wonder how many people who know me here actually do that when they see Ock :O

looked like he was doing something interesting

Nice :up:

pick the issue up and come back here so we can discuss!

I live in Ireland. And over here in Europe, we get the new comics the day after you guys. So I'll have it tomorrow :)

Also; Frontline #2 has Osborn's reaction from prison. Priceless.

Frontline is out too?? Cool. I didn't notice it on the diamond list.

CaptainStacy

06-28-2006, 05:28 PM

Cool. But I thought Vulture had been captured though at the beginning of Civil War #2 :confused:

LOL! I wonder how many people who know me here actually do that when they see Ock :O

Nice :up:

I live in Ireland. And over here in Europe, we get the new comics the day after you guys. So I'll have it tomorrow :)

Frontline is out too?? Cool. I didn't notice it on the diamond list.

Oh you're from Ireland? Cool. Years ago, my wife and i went to Spain on our honeymoon, and were planning a UK trip for the next year, but she got pregnant, lol.

Maybe we'll get there one day.

Anyway, yeah; There are bars behind Toomes, so i think he's still in lock-down.

CaptainStacy

06-28-2006, 05:33 PM

Who was there with him... showing him the video? Didn't it sound like they were threatening Peter?

A bit yes. I thought they were SHIELD agents...couldnt quite make out the insignia on their shoulders...

Dont remember if Osborn was put in SHIELD custody or not in MK:SM...i'll have to check later on...

Kraven

06-28-2006, 05:54 PM

A bit yes. I thought they were SHIELD agents...couldnt quite make out the insignia on their shoulders...

Dont remember if Osborn was put in SHIELD custody or not in MK:SM...i'll have to check later on...

I could've sworn he escaped... they never found his body in the river if I recall correctly.

Captivated

06-28-2006, 06:05 PM

I could've sworn he escaped... they never found his body in the river if I recall correctly.
You're right. I guess someone found him...

Superbeasto

06-29-2006, 04:30 PM

What do you guys think of JJ seuing (i dont know if i wrote this right) Peter Parker??? I just finished #533 and the public reaction to Peter is overwhelming

Dope Nose

06-29-2006, 04:35 PM

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Superbeasto

06-29-2006, 04:36 PM

One way or another JJ has to find a way to make Pete's life a living hell

SpideyInATree

06-29-2006, 04:57 PM

Wow. Read ASM # 533 a little bit earlier, along with Frontline...simply because of the Osborn reaction. Sweet Jesus was that reaction from Osborn freakin' awesome. "YOU BROKE THE RULES!!!!" Things are about to get CRAZY. And what's up with those SHIELD agents, anyway? They actually seemed to be on OSBORN'S SIDE! Or maybe it was just the way I read it.

But, man, ASM # 533. Definitely a well crafted issue by JMS, in my opinion. Peter throwing up in the bathroom after the conference. Getting a bit tiffed at the double conversation between Reed/Sue and MJ/Aunt May. How Peter pretty much OWNED Tony Stark in this issue. Telling him that if anything happens to his family that Tony is gonna get it.

The quick reactions of some of the villains were cool, leaves a bit more excitement to see how things actually play out with them. I kind of liked Doc Ock's one, personally. He was just hanging out in an empty warehouse pumping some iron while he watched his greatest nemesis show his face. I cannot WAIT to see what Ock does, almost more than Osborn.

I have a brutal feeling now that something bad is going to happen to Aunt May or MJ. Or Tony is going to do something because they seem to be hugely hinting that Pete and Tony are gonna throw down. Because I don't see Peter taking on Captain America over this. Things are just BEGINNING to get interesting.

Though the Flash Thompson reaction pissed me off. First of all, I was pissed they took Flash back to his, "Puny Parker" phase. They probably did that just for this reason, but it just seems weird. And like Paul Jenkins story was pretty much meaningless. Though it was kind of funny with Flash thinking that Spider-Man was just trying to trick his enemies, heh.

Definitely a good issue. And even if you're against the unmasking at least give it a shot, it's a pretty good read. At least just to see Pete own Tony the way he did. :up: :up:

Maximum Carnage

06-29-2006, 04:59 PM

Damn. You mentioned everything perfectly, SpideyInATree. :up:

Which side are you people on? I'll always be with Spidey of course, but am I the only one wanting Iron Man to eat it sooner or later?

Captivated

06-29-2006, 05:02 PM

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THAT was a good scene! That's more how I envisioned it... http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9299823&postcount=45

But Robbie... he has always been portrayed as having a clue. I hope this innocent act is just for JJJ.

The Joker

06-29-2006, 05:15 PM

I thought of you when i saw Doc Ock...looked like he was doing something interesting...pick the issue up and come back here so we can discuss!

Ok, was Ock lifting weights in that panel?? I saw him holding what looked like weights, and there was weights in the background too.

Not to mention he looks quite buff in the Sensational preview.

SpideyInATree

06-29-2006, 05:20 PM

He was definitely pumping that iron! :up:

Trask

06-29-2006, 08:34 PM

He was definitely pumping that iron! :up:

He is suffering from Ultimate Ock envy :)

Thirteen Shadows

06-29-2006, 09:18 PM

I kind of felt sorry for JJJ, he seemed so broken that Peter was really Spider-Man.

That line, "In a world built on lies, I thought, he's the only one who's always been straight with me. The last honest guy in town."

It sounded as if he was really fond of Pete and now he hates him.

So sad.....:(

Gamma Burst

06-29-2006, 09:27 PM

What an amazing read!Looking forward to AMZ#534!:spidey:

MyPokerShirt

06-29-2006, 11:07 PM

im so happy you guys are happy :) Is that a bit weird? Its just people bash ASM and now theres a really good issue which, seein as its circumstances are unique, will probs be remembered fondly for a while and you guys are back on board with ASM :up: wicked.

Kraven

06-29-2006, 11:23 PM

Wow, the scene with Jameson is truly touching. I really feel bad for him, although I'm not sure he deserves my sympathy at times.

Vile

06-30-2006, 02:17 AM

I hope they dont recon this. Whats the point of doing something this huge...only to sweep it under the rug? It's stupid.

Granted, it should never have been done at all...but if you are going to do something, stick with it.

MyPokerShirt

06-30-2006, 04:49 AM

^the thing is, u guys think too small for marvel. yes theyre always looking for the next shock, the next twist, but thats what comics have always been about. things will change and theyll change back. just the way it is

CaptainStacy

06-30-2006, 06:42 AM

Ok, was Ock lifting weights in that panel?? I saw him holding what looked like weights, and there was weights in the background too.

Not to mention he looks quite buff in the Sensational preview.

Yeah! Everyone is SO health-concious these days!

Nebins

06-30-2006, 05:00 PM

Is it just me or did Spidey have organic webbing at the end of this issue? I didn't see any webshooters and he had a T-shirt on. Is this another change to the character or just lazy artwork?

Dope Nose

06-30-2006, 05:05 PM

Captivated

06-30-2006, 05:16 PM

Is it just me or did Spidey have organic webbing at the end of this issue? I didn't see any webshooters and he had a T-shirt on. Is this another change to the character or just lazy artwork?
Spider-Man has had organic webs for quite awhile now... one change that never bothered me. (I don't care... it just didn't.)

Changes to his ORIGIN (a la Spider-gods), now THAT was offensive.

After the movies Stan was quoted as saying... organic webbing, now why didn't I think of that. But, I'd BET good money he doesn't ever say... Peter, just one of many, chosen by some mystical spider-god, oh THAT's much better than that whole science accident...

Nebins

06-30-2006, 05:45 PM

When did the organic webs thing happen and the understanding insects? Was that part of the Other or before? What issue did he figure it out?

Kraven

06-30-2006, 06:04 PM

The insect understanding thing happened in The Other, but the organic webs came before that, in Spectacular vol. 2 I think.

Captivated

06-30-2006, 06:07 PM

Spectacular Spider-Man Vol. 2 #20; "Changes, Part 4" - Spider-Man develops new powers, such as organic webbing and the ability to read the minds of insects. That latter change I have not really seen since it happened. I like to think it faded away...

Sloth7d

06-30-2006, 07:24 PM

I think in the end something big will happen and everyone will forget Peter Parker is Spiderman. Maybe Madame Webb will erase their memories. Did you guys read SSM#27. Madame Webb said something abot Peters life becoming very interesting before the comic ended. Even though originally I thought Madame Webb had died. I smell retcon in the air.

Sloth7d

06-30-2006, 07:36 PM

Because didn't Madame Webb die during the gathering of five?

stillanerd

06-30-2006, 07:44 PM

^^^
Nope. She just got younger I believe. But then "House of M " and "Decimation" made her old again. See this entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Web

Spectacular Spider-Man Vol. 2 #20; "Changes, Part 4" - Spider-Man develops new powers, such as organic webbing and the ability to read the minds of insects. That latter change I have not really seen since it happened. I like to think it faded away...

Me too, Captivated. Kind of like I hope Sins Past eventually will be. Although it's not nearly as useless as his ability to identify various species of spiders. Other reasons why I think the "insect communication" ability is being ignored:

1. Someone at Marvel realized that spiders are archanids, not insects.
2. It makes Spidey seem a lot like Aquaman in terms of being able to communicate with a certain species of the animal kingdom--and let's face it, Aquaman sucks. Of course, this didn't stop them from having Spidey imitate Wolverine by giving him bone-like "stingers." And notice how those have barely been used afterwards except in one issue of Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.
3. "Changes" was just a lously story. Of course it didn't stop Marvel from doing "The Other: Evolve or Die" where we basically had a retread of the whole dies and regenerates into a new body. Maybe they thought "We'll get it right the second time" not realizing bad ideas are, in fact, bad ideas.

I think in the end something big will happen and everyone will forget Peter Parker is Spiderman. Maybe Madame Webb will erase their memories. Did you guys read SSM#27. Madame Webb said something abot Peters life becoming very interesting before the comic ended. Even though originally I thought Madame Webb had died. I smell retcon in the air.

Hmm, I forgot about Madame Web, perhaps because I really don't like her, considering she really doesn't gel with Spidey's world. Considering she was a character created in the Spider-Man comics, it might make more sense to use her for any sort of massive "memory wipe" than Dr. Strange--if Marvel decides to relent and use one that is despite Joe Q saying they wouldn't use a "mindwiping ray" anytime soon (although he never said a "mindwiping psychic").

SpideyInATree

06-30-2006, 07:49 PM

Hmm, I forgot about Madame Web, perhaps because I really don't like her, considering she really doesn't gel with Spidey's world. Considering she was a character created in the Spider-Man comics, it might make more sense to use her for any sort of massive "memory wipe" than Dr. Strange--if Marvel decides to relent and use one that is despite Joe Q saying they wouldn't use a "mindwiping ray" anytime soon (although he never said a "mindwiping psychic").

Remember, Quesada is the same guy who, just a few years ago, was saying, "Dead is dead". So, you know....

Sloth7d

06-30-2006, 08:08 PM

Double post.

Sloth7d

06-30-2006, 08:10 PM

The gathering of five was very confusing. Everyone ended up with a different power than they originally thought. Now I find Webbs got a different gift too.

stillanerd

06-30-2006, 08:16 PM

Remember, Quesada is the same guy who, just a few years ago, was saying, "Dead is dead". So, you know....

Exactly. Not to mention that there is "no right or wrong side" in Civil War.

Nebins

07-01-2006, 02:23 AM

Exactly. Not to mention that there is "no right or wrong side" in Civil War.

Civil war would be a lot more interesting if the line was a bit more blurred between right and wrong. They say there is no right or wrong side but all they show are the problems of registration.

Dangerous

07-01-2006, 08:24 AM

I can't believe how things are turning out...I mean everyones now like "hey its peter parker! Lets sue him for all he's worth!" And Iron man's all like "well beat up the other guys or we'll have to beat you." Things are going to crap! I just pray that Spidey will kick the living tar out of that Iron-Butt.

Venom, GG etc will come gunning for PP, MJ and May and then Spidey will kick Starks ass, and leave Avengers. Dunno what will happen about the long term implications of his identity going public tho...