Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[LouFerignoDemon]

You know, he's still sane enough where euthanasia would be merciful. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

Alright, well i have a little bit of info from Heinberg.

I sent him this on myspace a couple of days ago

I just wanted to say, you and all the writers have my support during the strike, but i was also real curious in that since your on strike with the tv/movie industry, does that mean you finally have a chance to start working on Young Avengers right now? I know we (all your fans) would love for you to come back on the book, we all miss it very much, and are pretty much feeding off the team like vultures grabbing as is every book they appear in... and can't wait for the upcoming one-shots. We just know we were really excited to see your season 2 with the rumors of a young wonderman, and the rumored return of Iron Lad and young Masters of Evil... It just sounded amazing. Plus we were really looking forward to confirmation one weather Wiccan and Speed were indeed Wanda's children rather then some sick twisted red herring :-P

anywho, i wish you the best of luck...

your fan always,
-Justin

And He just responded with this.


Awww, Justin, you know JUST what to say.

Thanks for the encouragement. Marvel and I are talking about a project, but I probably won't commit unless the strike is still going on January 1st. I'd hate to commit and then have to head right back to GREY'S. But I'm really excited about it, if it does happen. I'll keep you posted.

- A

[Mogwai]

it's sad that YA is not really his priority..

[spideyboy_1111]

it's sad that YA is not really his priority..

Why? No offense, but thats about as big as a selfish fanboy comment as you can make... Writting a comic book is a monthly gig, that pays considerably less then TV... and i think its kinda wrong to think he should choose you over making a better noticed plus better paying gig. Writers don't make a whole lot as it is

[Mogwai]

i wasn't being that serious.

[Colossal Spoons]

Seriously

[AndThePickles]

:dry:

[TheCorpulent1]

Why? No offense, but thats about as big as a selfish fanboy comment as you can make... Writting a comic book is a monthly gig, that pays considerably less then TV... and i think its kinda wrong to think he should choose you over making a better noticed plus better paying gig. Writers don't make a whole lot as it is
TV writers? They make a pretty good amount of money. :o

Comic writers, not so much. I'm sure none of them are destitute if they've got multiple regular comics going, though, as Heinberg could easily have if he wanted them. I mean, it's not like they're teachers or anything. ;)

[spideyboy_1111]

TV writers? They make a pretty good amount of money. :o

Comic writers, not so much. I'm sure none of them are destitute if they've got multiple regular comics going, though, as Heinberg could easily have if he wanted them. I mean, it's not like they're teachers or anything. ;)

Tv writers make more then the average joe... but not a whole lot by comparison to the rest of the industry.

Plus TV writing is his main focus, always has been... he took on comic writing for his love of comics. So people saying he should choose comic writing over his main focus i just don't understand, other then the "we want our book back" factor

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, but it's kind of apples and oranges. You can't really compare writers to the stars because the stars are being paid, at least in part, simply for their celebrity. Actors, sports stars, anybody who entertains in front of the camera, really, makes a disproportionate amount compared to others in the industry. Plus they have endorsements and stuff to make even more money. They're the people we see, so they're the ones studios pay the most money to to bring fans in.

Still, writers make a pretty penny if they've got a regular gig. Frankly, if the current strike were just about money, I'd balk at them for not appreciating what they already have. But I support it on the basis that the shows are still their work, in large part, whether they're shown on the small screen, the internet, etc., and they should be compensated for it. The principle is on their side.

I also don't care either way whether Heinberg comes back to comics or not. I'd just like to see him and Marvel come down firmly on whether he's returning or going one way or the other so they can finally move forward on some new comics and bring the Young Avengers back. Heinberg wrote a great first volume but he's certainly not the be-all and end-all of the Young Avengers. Other writers could do great work on them too, if Marvel would just give them the chance instead of waiting around for Heinberg.

[spideyboy_1111]

I know, but it's kind of apples and oranges. You can't really compare writers to the stars because the stars are being paid, at least in part, simply for their celebrity. Actors, sports stars, anybody who entertains in front of the camera, really, makes a disproportionate amount compared to others in the industry. Plus they have endorsements and stuff to make even more money. They're the people we see, so they're the ones studios pay the most money to to bring fans in.

Still, writers make a pretty penny if they've got a regular gig. Frankly, if the current strike were just about money, I'd balk at them for not appreciating what they already have. But I support it on the basis that the shows are still their work, in large part, whether they're shown on the small screen, the internet, etc., and they should be compensated for it. The principle is on their side.

I also don't care either way whether Heinberg comes back to comics or not. I'd just like to see him and Marvel come down firmly on whether he's returning or going one way or the other so they can finally move forward on some new comics and bring the Young Avengers back. Heinberg wrote a great first volume but he's certainly not the be-all and end-all of the Young Avengers. Other writers could do great work on them too, if Marvel would just give them the chance instead of waiting around for Heinberg.

i wasnt really comparing them to just the actors though... but the industry as a whole, directors, producers, studios etc...

and the bolded line you bring up alot... we get your opinion which is fine, im not saying i only think he could do it.. just personally would prefer if he had a hand in it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Writing seems to be a step toward producing a lot of the time, actually. Lots of writers are credited as producers, even though they continue to primarily write for whatever production they're working on. But I see what you mean. I understand they're relatively low on the pay scale, but still, it's a really high pay scale to begin with so I still don't feel too bad for them.

I know I bring up my other point a lot as well. It just annoys me that Heinberg gets such special treatment for a property that is Marvel's from start to finish and is constantly losing steam every month they don't have a comic out. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if Young Avengers returned and just sputtered out to cancellation due to low sales from people not really giving a crap anymore, whoever's writing it.

[CaptainCanada]

http://www.marvel.com/news/comics.19...iaths~and~More

A couple of unlettered pages from Avengers: The Initiative #8: Cassie vs. Eric O'Grady (I doubt she'd be thrilled over the guy using her father's name, given his exploits).

So while the Alphans debate continues, she's still definitely there, at least. Also, given how much Slott loves mentioning minor continuity, I wonder whether there'll be any mention of her being abducted in Ms. Marvel.

[necross20]

The YA will be playing a big role in the upcoming Invasion event according to Bendis (think it was him) so we should get a reasonable fix of them if the YA is delayed even longer.

[PhotoJones]

Newsarama put up an interview with Brubaker about his Patriot issue of the YA miniseries. There's some nice Medina artwork, too.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139259

[GoldenAgeHero]

Why? No offense, but thats about as big as a selfish fanboy comment as you can make... Writting a comic book is a monthly gig, that pays considerably less then TV... and i think its kinda wrong to think he should choose you over making a better noticed plus better paying gig. Writers don't make a whole lot as it is


i agree with mogwai, the guy basically asked marvel not to let another writer continue the series because he still wanted to do it, if you're going to make a company and fans wait around for you, then you better make writing that comic a priority. It's selfish of him to continue the behavior he has,sure he likes comics but its pretty obvious he doesn't care for the medium that much...if he's going to play the sit and wait game with us. HE should take writing comics as serious as writing for tv, if he can't handle it then he should stick to tv and not come back until he's ready to commit to his projects.(wonder woman,anyone?). and It's pretty obvious he would've made a good chuck of money on writing comics,so i doubt he'll be laying in a street corner begging for scraps or going hungry.

[TheCorpulent1]

When did Heinberg ask that the series not be continued without him?

[PhotoJones]

He thought he was coming back?

[GoldenAgeHero]

it was in article either at newsarama or cbr..probably newsarama.

and as i recalled you linked me to it.

corp.

[Eros]

Heinberg can go to hell, or since hes a hollywood writer these days, he can go to rehab.

[Anubis]

Heinberg go to rehab? I say no, no, no.

[PhotoJones]

Heinberg can go to hell, or since hes a hollywood writer these days, he can go to rehab.

That's a mighty big implication.

[TheCorpulent1]

Newsarama put up an interview with Brubaker about his Patriot issue of the YA miniseries. There's some nice Medina artwork, too.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139259
Good interview. The panel with Isaiah flashing back to his WWII days was kind of awkward, but the rest of Medina's art looks great. I'm looking forward to Patriot meeting Bucky. Shame that there was no mention of Josiah X, though. I wish someone would use him for something.

[PhotoJones]

Patriot's already met Bucky, if you're refering to it being a first meeting. Bucky actually led the Young Avengers in battle once. :up:

[Anubis]

Nothing promotes bonding between superheroes like kicking Hydra ass.

[TheCorpulent1]

Patriot's already met Bucky, if you're refering to it being a first meeting. Bucky actually led the Young Avengers in battle once. :up:
Was that the Winter Kills one-shot? I forgot that **** and I haven't gotten back up to it in my super-sexy hardcover omnibus yet.

[CaptainCanada]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=139259
Looks awesome; Brubaker can seldom do wrong in my book. The art is nice, too (all Medina needs now is a guest-shot on Runaways and he'll have done all the big teen teams).

So Kate is tagging alone on Patriot's adventure (with an assist from Wiccan). So, they appear to be living at home, which seems to suggest "registered" to me, since if they were on the run, their homes seem like the most obvious places to look. Maybe they've not been sent to Hammond, or otherwise are on leave/vacation/whatever.

[TheCorpulent1]

Are the New Warriors a teen team? Most of the characters are in their twenties, aren't they?

[CaptainCanada]

Are the New Warriors a teen team? Most of the characters are in their twenties, aren't they?
A better word might have been "young" team, since, yes, most of the current team is older than that.

[PhotoJones]

Was that the Winter Kills one-shot? I forgot that **** and I haven't gotten back up to it in my super-sexy hardcover omnibus yet.

Yeah, it was. They know the Winter Soldier is Bucky, too.

Are the New Warriors a teen team? Most of the characters are in their twenties, aren't they?

It depends. Jubilee's age has been all over the map for most of her existence.

[Eros]

Jubilee is a timeless classic.

[Eros]

Are the New Warriors a teen team? Most of the characters are in their twenties, aren't they?

I like your "Future Tense" avatar from gargoyles, reminds me of what I want to do to Heinberg if I ever meet him.

[Anubis]

Do you often fantasize about punching homosexual Jews in the face?

[TheCorpulent1]

Why are generalizations so much funnier than specifics?

[Anubis]

The world may never know.

[Kevin]

Heinberg can go to hell, or since hes a hollywood writer these days, he can go to rehab.
Damn...
Heinberg go to rehab? I say no, no, no.Lmao. She needs help.:csad:

[Arkady Rossovich]

That comic won't be out until next month,but it's good to see that Marvel is doing something with the YA.

[BrianWilly]

Billy is a LotR fan.

http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-3.gif

[Dread]

That Brubaker interview/sneak peak on Newsarama is pretty good. Naturally, though, I expected no less with a one-shot that allows him to play with another element of Cap's legacy. The WINTER KILLS one shot was pretty cool and it will be interesting to see what Eli is going through; nearly as soon as he started respecting Steve Rogers, the man's murdered. Should be a good read.

Hopefully, though, the YA as a franchise will remain healthy despite some mismanagement.

[Havok83]

What is the deal with this series? Any news on it?

[TheCorpulent1]

The one-shots start in January.

[PhotoJones]

I think the bad taste in my mouth about the mismanagement of the Young Avengers book would finally go away if someone at Marvel (Quesada) just admitted that they could've handled things better.

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd go away for me if they did handle things better from now on. As in, getting a new ongoing set up quickly after the one-shots are done rather than waiting around for another year or more.

[PhotoJones]

If Cheung couldn't do the interiors, who would you have?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. Maybe Mark Brooks?

[PhotoJones]

He'd be good, yeah. I'd really prefer him on a Spider-Man book, though.

[CaptainCanada]

I like the look of Medina's art in the preview, and he was great on New Warriors and New X-Men; I wouldn't mind him doing it.

[Darthphere]

Bachalo. Lawl.

[PhotoJones]

I'd totally buy it.

[Darthphere]

I'd totally buy it.

I'd buy 3.

[TheCorpulent1]

Bachalo would be awesome. He draws teenagers really well.

[PhotoJones]

That he does. And after seeing some BND preview pics yesterday, he draws an awesome Dr. Strange, too. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I've never been much of a fan of biker-'stache Strange, but other than that he did look cool. They gotta put him back in Martin's costume, though. After being exposed to Strange as the suave, debonaire "gentleman sorcerer," I just can't look at his stupid flowing shirt and tights the same way. :(

[PhotoJones]

I didn't get a biker vibe, at all. :confused:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I've never been much of a fan of biker-'stache Strange, but other than that he did look cool.


You bashing on the stache? :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't get a biker vibe, at all. :confused:
I don't believe I've seen a handlebar mustache on anyone other than bikers and cops, myself.

[PhotoJones]

It looked more like a goatee, to me.

[TheCorpulent1]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Spider-Man/BND/WackerPreview/ASM555004_col.jpg

There's no beardage there. That's handlebars all the way. Besides, even goatee Strange doesn't look right to me. I like the thin, '50s-looking mustache that tapers off to points on either side.

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, he just looks like a suave ladies man, to me. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

A suave ladies biker cop, maybe. :o

[PhotoJones]

Quit projecting, dude. It's getting creepy.

[TheCorpulent1]

Handlebars are for bikers and cops, not Sorcerer Supremes. It's the way of the world.

[PhotoJones]

Says your gay subconscious, maybe. :o

[Mogwai]

what comic are those pics from?

[PhotoJones]

They're from Bachalo's contribution to BND.

[LouFerignoDemon]

You know, when YOU work your ass off to become Sorcerer Supreme, defender of the dimension, hammer of the Vishanti, future counterpart of Eternity, you can go on and make the stache rules Corpy, till then, take your inferiority complex and shove it. :o

[PhotoJones]

Whoa, wicked burn. :up:

[Darthphere]

Bachalo is just ****ing kicking ass man. Damn. He's totally in my top 5 right now.

[PhotoJones]

Bachalo is just ****ing kicking ass man. Damn. He's totally in my top 5 right now.

Word. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

You know, when YOU work your ass off to become Sorcerer Supreme, defender of the dimension, hammer of the Vishanti, future counterpart of Eternity, you can go on and make the stache rules Corpy, till then, take your inferiority complex and shove it. :o
That's always a stupid argument, no matter what it's applied to. If you guys love Strange's handlebar-'stache so much, my opinion of it shouldn't make a difference. So how about you quit projecting, Miss Inferiority, and admit that it looks like you could put Strange's 'stache on a bicycle and ride it around your block... IN HELL. :cmad:

[PhotoJones]

Christ. How about we all agree that Bachalo kicks ass?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes.

Except on Strange's 'stache.

[PhotoJones]

You should choke on your lunch today. Really, I hope it happens.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll chew my Triscuits carefully. :oldrazz:

[PhotoJones]

That's a shame.

[LouFerignoDemon]

That's always a stupid argument, no matter what it's applied to. If you guys love Strange's handlebar-'stache so much, my opinion of it shouldn't make a difference. So how about you quit projecting, Miss Inferiority, and admit that it looks like you could put Strange's 'stache on a bicycle and ride it around your block... IN HELL. :cmad:


RAWR!!!!!! :cmad:

[PhotoJones]

I'm ****ing hungry. What's for lunch, today?

[chamber-music]

Christ. How about we all agree that Bachalo kicks ass?

I always liked Bachalo. You go to some of the X threads and say this though and you'll get flamed for days :o

[Anubis]

Turkey Sandwich, a honey bun, and a cherry coke.

[PhotoJones]

That sounds deliciously simple. :up:

[Anubis]

I've taken to packing a lunch because the holidays always puts a hurting on my wallet. :(

[PhotoJones]

I've been packing my lunch, for the exact same reasons. :)

[Anubis]

It sucks being young, broke, and devoid of ambition.

[PhotoJones]

We are one.

[TheCorpulent1]

I had that idea, but I still buy lunch right now because I forgot to pick up all the necessary ingredients for my sandwiches. I can't abide a sandwich without some mayo and honey mustard. :o

[PhotoJones]

My tummy so hungry. :(

[Anubis]

mmmm honey mustard.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I need to think about what I want for lunch AND dinner. x.x

[T'Jai]

gonna do sushi for lunch today...just made the plans

[LouFerignoDemon]

That sounds good, maybe for dinner.

It'll at least give Desiree the night off. lol

[PhotoJones]

Sushi always looks cool and sounds cool, but everytime I eat it, it never tastes cool.

[spectre]

artists i'd like to see do YA interiors if Jimmy C can't return

Stefano Casseli: I loved the civil war runaways/YA crossover, Casseli had a good hold on the characters and manages to balance a cartoony kinetic energy with excellent facial drawing.

Paco Medina: Medina's recently been bouncing around marvel alot. he's consistenly getting better on every project he does and he has that energetic style that would suit the title well, not to mention he's proven that he can draw teen characters on new x-men

Chris Bachalo: I hadn't initially thought of Bachalo, just cause he' such an x-men guy. but he's definitely got the teen look down. i know he's very polarizing and his highly stylized look can get a little confusing sometimes, but he's been turnin in his best work during messiah complex so im confident in him.

Amanda Connor: A big longshot just because she's so entrenched at DC but her style is absolutely beautiful. she doesn't need to go superrealistic, instead she embraces the cartoony side of comics and gives it a real heart and emotion that most others can't.

[PhotoJones]

Amanda Connor's a weird choice, but kind of a cool one. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

Sushi always looks cool and sounds cool, but everytime I eat it, it never tastes cool.
That's because sushi sucks.

[T'Jai]

That's because sushi sucks.You've obviously been eating at the wrong restaurants :o

Amanda Conner... not bad not bad at all, and she is a part of the whole Quesada, Palmiotti crew :cwink:

[TheCorpulent1]

No, sushi as a whole sucks. I've never had good sushi, period.

[PhotoJones]

Amanda Conner... not bad not bad at all, and she is a part of the whole Quesada, Palmiotti crew :cwink:

There is no Quesada/Palmiotti crew anymore. :(

[T'Jai]

No, sushi as a whole sucks. I've never had good sushi, period.
can't bring culture to some people :o

There is no Quesada/Palmiotti crew anymore. :(:wow: what'd I miss where can I get the skinny??

[PhotoJones]

Joe and Jimmy apparently a pretty big falling out. Surprisingly, it was around the time Joe became the EiC.

[Darthphere]

Joe and Jimmy apparently a pretty big falling out. Surprisingly, it was around the time Joe became the EiC.

That's odd. Didn't they work together on that Painkiller Jane relaunch for Dynamite?:huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

can't bring culture to some people :o
It has nothing to do with culture. I love lots of other Japanese food. Sushi just sucks.

[PhotoJones]

That's odd. Didn't they work together on that Painkiller Jane relaunch for Dynamite?:huh:

No. Jimmy did. Quesada put his name on it because he's the co-creator.

[Darthphere]

No. Jimmy did. Quesada put his name on it because he's the co-creator.

I'm pretty sure he co-wrote that son of a *****. But whatever.

[PhotoJones]

It's not like they despise each other, or anything. I think they just went their separate ways.

[LouFerignoDemon]

can't bring culture to some people :o

:wow: what'd I miss where can I get the skinny??

Love sushi, HATE Japanese culture for the most part.

[PhotoJones]

Why the hate?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because they cube (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Square_watermelon.jpg) everything. :o

[chamber-music]

Love sushi, HATE Japanese culture for the most part.

You hate Japanese culture :huh:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/Artadius/ThatsRacist.gif



Just Kidding :cwink:
Had to bust out the kid.
Oh racist kid, why you so awesome !

[PhotoJones]

Because they cube (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Square_watermelon.jpg) everything. :o

That's reason to love Japanese culture. :confused:

[TheCorpulent1]

According to that pic, the cubed watermelon costs $300. That's reason to hate Japanese culture.

[PhotoJones]

You act like we don't have stupid, overpriced ****.

[TheCorpulent1]

But our stupid, overpriced **** is seldom cubed just 'cause.

[PhotoJones]

Please God, tell me you're joking.

[chamber-music]

Maybe she hates them because of their crazy take on black face and california girl culture :huh:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/26/92532741_9ec3a71583.jpghttp://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/programmes/japanorama/gallery/fullsize/39.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganguro

[TheCorpulent1]

Please God, tell me you're joking.
Look, here in Amar'ca, we leave things in the shapes they s'poze tuh be in, hear? As Gawd almahty intended! :cmad:

[PhotoJones]

Look, here in 'Marr'ca, we leave things in the shapes they're s'poze tuh be in, hear? As Gawd almahty intended! :cmad:

Just like Broccaflower, huh? Shut the **** up. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

That gets a pass. Divine inspiration, son.

[PhotoJones]

How about tomatoes spliced with flounder DNA? Shut. The. ****. Up. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

To that I ask you, who doesn't love the taste of tomounders in the morning?

[PhotoJones]

Enough people for organic tomatoes to outsell flounder-tomatoes for the first time ever. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

That's just because of the big organic fad passing through the country right now. Real tomatoes taste like flounder. :o

[PhotoJones]

Real tomatoes taste like tomatoes. :confused:

[RockSP]

I say tomato, you say tomounder.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Why the hate?


I was under contract to work there for a thing of unspecified tellings, and my credentials EASILY put me as the person who should be primarily designing the device (given that I had actually tampered with similar tech before, where nobody else on my assigned team had). Now, if I wasn't the primary designer, that doesn't bother me, at least have someone competent (the gentleman from Sweden was easily just as qualified), but instead, they put this Japanese guy who was basically the weak link of the entire team. Had zero experience in the field, and little to no training. Alright, I said I'd be cool, and figure that he was like me when I was in my teenage years, and just didn't have anything to prove where I was, and he was actually pretty good. Turns out, he wasn't good at it at all. Not one bit of his multiple designs could POSSIBLY be used for what it was ultimately going to be put in. In fact, stuff the Swedish guy and I were throwing together on coffee breaks were more functional (even though we were simply being mean by taking his designs, and making the obvious corrections) than that guy's. So the team and I started speaking up to our leader, telling him what's going on, who gets crazy and yells at us that we don't know what we're doing. (Keep in mind three of us were flown out of our native countries for this contract) So, we all just grumble and go about our work, which isn't getting turned in (as we have to give it to the team lead, who in turn, turns it in for us), and all of us are getting emails complaining that we're not doing the job.

So I get fed up (as I so easily do when I spend a month or three in mediocrity limbo), and calmly (actually calmly, not like seething, or explosive, but politely, as manners are a huge thing there) go to his office (with the team, as they were at their stations doing stuff) late one night (which totally sent the wrong signals, as a blonde woman in Japan is mainly just seen as a sexual thing), and after waving off his advances, stated I wanted to privately help him with his designs, so nobody had to know and that we could finally get what we're meant to be done done, and he woudln't have to leave leader position. So of course, he yells. First, for being the **** I obviously wasn't, and second, for not knowing my job and being a woman. Of course, I'm pissed, several times while I was in that country, my gender sort of backburned me in stores, restaurants, and junk like that, and now at work. So I just storm out of the guys office (which is common, as when I'm met with idiocy, I just storm out, letting EVERYBODY know I'm pissed, which usually leads to bad teamwork results, but I don't really care, since if the team was good, it wouldn't BE that way), and he follows me out, still calling me names, and saying it's a woman's problem and solution to not accept he is right, all the way to the elevator. So while waiting for the elevator, I -sort- of got tired of his yelling, and punched him. Granted, I'm taller, but he was pretty fat, and I'm not all that strong, but went down easily enough when the other teammates came along and tried to restrain us FROM each other. Either way, when I was being escorted out, as no files were being charged, and I had to turn in my badge, the security officer gave me some advice.

"A woman's place should have been to step down, and support his decisions no matter what."


And that's just the WORKING situation problems I had there. So suffice it to say, I hate Japan. :o

Them and their cucumber Pepsi.

[Star]

Cucumber Pepsi?!

[Star]

Also that story is horrible. At least you're out of that situation now though.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, cucumber Pepsi. They released it in the summer, thinking it would be refreshing or something.


Also, I did vow to never step foot in Japan again. Even if it must kill each and every last one of you (given the conditions are I step foot in Japan, or they rape and murder you), I will probably never go back there.

[Havok83]

The one-shots start in January.
who's doing it and is the series coming after that?

[CaptainCanada]

who's doing it
#1 - Ed Brubaker and Paco Media
#2 - Brian Reed and Harvey Talibao
#3 - Robert Aguire-Sacasa and ?
#4 - Paul Cornell and ?
#5 - ? and ?
#6 - ? and ?

and is the series coming after that?
We have no idea.

[Havok83]

#1 - Ed Brubaker and Paco Media
#2 - Brian Reed and Harvey Talibao
#3 - Robert Aguire-Sacasa and ?
#4 - Paul Cornell and ?
#5 - ? and ?
#6 - ? and ?

We have no idea.
its a series of one shots? Any info on them besides who's doing them? Is it set in current Marvel time, right after Season 1 left off, etc...?

[necross20]

I was under contract to work there for a thing of unspecified tellings, and my credentials EASILY put me as the person who should be primarily designing the device (given that I had actually tampered with similar tech before, where nobody else on my assigned team had). Now, if I wasn't the primary designer, that doesn't bother me, at least have someone competent (the gentleman from Sweden was easily just as qualified), but instead, they put this Japanese guy who was basically the weak link of the entire team. Had zero experience in the field, and little to no training. Alright, I said I'd be cool, and figure that he was like me when I was in my teenage years, and just didn't have anything to prove where I was, and he was actually pretty good. Turns out, he wasn't good at it at all. Not one bit of his multiple designs could POSSIBLY be used for what it was ultimately going to be put in. In fact, stuff the Swedish guy and I were throwing together on coffee breaks were more functional (even though we were simply being mean by taking his designs, and making the obvious corrections) than that guy's. So the team and I started speaking up to our leader, telling him what's going on, who gets crazy and yells at us that we don't know what we're doing. (Keep in mind three of us were flown out of our native countries for this contract) So, we all just grumble and go about our work, which isn't getting turned in (as we have to give it to the team lead, who in turn, turns it in for us), and all of us are getting emails complaining that we're not doing the job.

So I get fed up (as I so easily do when I spend a month or three in mediocrity limbo), and calmly (actually calmly, not like seething, or explosive, but politely, as manners are a huge thing there) go to his office (with the team, as they were at their stations doing stuff) late one night (which totally sent the wrong signals, as a blonde woman in Japan is mainly just seen as a sexual thing), and after waving off his advances, stated I wanted to privately help him with his designs, so nobody had to know and that we could finally get what we're meant to be done done, and he woudln't have to leave leader position. So of course, he yells. First, for being the **** I obviously wasn't, and second, for not knowing my job and being a woman. Of course, I'm pissed, several times while I was in that country, my gender sort of backburned me in stores, restaurants, and junk like that, and now at work. So I just storm out of the guys office (which is common, as when I'm met with idiocy, I just storm out, letting EVERYBODY know I'm pissed, which usually leads to bad teamwork results, but I don't really care, since if the team was good, it wouldn't BE that way), and he follows me out, still calling me names, and saying it's a woman's problem and solution to not accept he is right, all the way to the elevator. So while waiting for the elevator, I -sort- of got tired of his yelling, and punched him. Granted, I'm taller, but he was pretty fat, and I'm not all that strong, but went down easily enough when the other teammates came along and tried to restrain us FROM each other. Either way, when I was being escorted out, as no files were being charged, and I had to turn in my badge, the security officer gave me some advice.

"A woman's place should have been to step down, and support his decisions no matter what."


And that's just the WORKING situation problems I had there. So suffice it to say, I hate Japan. :o

Them and their cucumber Pepsi.

I'm so glad you punched the prick.
There's a saying that comes to mind, "The Japanese have perfected good manners and made them indistinguishable from rudeness."

[CaptainCanada]

its a series of one shots? Any info on them besides who's doing them? Is it set in current Marvel time, right after Season 1 left off, etc...?
The idea of the series is to update the status quo of the team, explain where everyone is, and tell some stories about them; so they'll be set in current continuity. Patriot's is #1, which Brubaker says is set between Cap #33 and #34, featuring Patriot seeking out the Winter Soldier; next is Hulkling in #2, meeting Captain Marvel, then Wiccan and Speed in #3, Vision in #4; we don't know anything about the final two.

[spideyboy_1111]

can't bring culture to some people :o

:wow: what'd I miss where can I get the skinny??

sushi's a fad people eat to try to make others think that have culture :o

[T'Jai]

sushi's a fad people eat to try to make others think that have culture :opsssch! horse pucky... I eat it cause it makes me feel manly to ingest raw meat :oldrazz:

[spideyboy_1111]

psssch! horse pucky... I eat it cause it makes me feel manly to ingest raw meat :oldrazz:

that'd make you feel girly... if you wanna feel manly pull the leg off a deer and eat it

[T'Jai]

that'd make you feel girly... if you wanna feel manly pull the leg off a deer and eat it
did that at the age of 11 :o

but it was a small deer...

[chamber-music]

I was under contract to work there for a thing of unspecified tellings, and my credentials EASILY put me as the person who should be primarily designing the device (given that I had actually tampered with similar tech before, where nobody else on my assigned team had). Now, if I wasn't the primary designer, that doesn't bother me, at least have someone competent (the gentleman from Sweden was easily just as qualified), but instead, they put this Japanese guy who was basically the weak link of the entire team. Had zero experience in the field, and little to no training. Alright, I said I'd be cool, and figure that he was like me when I was in my teenage years, and just didn't have anything to prove where I was, and he was actually pretty good. Turns out, he wasn't good at it at all. Not one bit of his multiple designs could POSSIBLY be used for what it was ultimately going to be put in. In fact, stuff the Swedish guy and I were throwing together on coffee breaks were more functional (even though we were simply being mean by taking his designs, and making the obvious corrections) than that guy's. So the team and I started speaking up to our leader, telling him what's going on, who gets crazy and yells at us that we don't know what we're doing. (Keep in mind three of us were flown out of our native countries for this contract) So, we all just grumble and go about our work, which isn't getting turned in (as we have to give it to the team lead, who in turn, turns it in for us), and all of us are getting emails complaining that we're not doing the job.

So I get fed up (as I so easily do when I spend a month or three in mediocrity limbo), and calmly (actually calmly, not like seething, or explosive, but politely, as manners are a huge thing there) go to his office (with the team, as they were at their stations doing stuff) late one night (which totally sent the wrong signals, as a blonde woman in Japan is mainly just seen as a sexual thing), and after waving off his advances, stated I wanted to privately help him with his designs, so nobody had to know and that we could finally get what we're meant to be done done, and he woudln't have to leave leader position. So of course, he yells. First, for being the **** I obviously wasn't, and second, for not knowing my job and being a woman. Of course, I'm pissed, several times while I was in that country, my gender sort of backburned me in stores, restaurants, and junk like that, and now at work. So I just storm out of the guys office (which is common, as when I'm met with idiocy, I just storm out, letting EVERYBODY know I'm pissed, which usually leads to bad teamwork results, but I don't really care, since if the team was good, it wouldn't BE that way), and he follows me out, still calling me names, and saying it's a woman's problem and solution to not accept he is right, all the way to the elevator. So while waiting for the elevator, I -sort- of got tired of his yelling, and punched him. Granted, I'm taller, but he was pretty fat, and I'm not all that strong, but went down easily enough when the other teammates came along and tried to restrain us FROM each other. Either way, when I was being escorted out, as no files were being charged, and I had to turn in my badge, the security officer gave me some advice.

"A woman's place should have been to step down, and support his decisions no matter what."


And that's just the WORKING situation problems I had there. So suffice it to say, I hate Japan. :o

Them and their cucumber Pepsi.

wow that guy sounds like a douche. I know some cool japanese people though. If it was in the west you probabley could have sued the guy for sexual harassement got his ass fired.

[Darthphere]

Take this for what you will, but take a look here:

LIVE From the Marvel Creative Summit! (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2105.LIVE_From_the_Marvel_Creative_Su mmit%21)

And this tidbit here:

"The Marvel Creative Summit in New York City is underway, with Joe Quesada, Brian Michael Bendis, Jeph Loeb, Allan Heinberg, Greg Pak, Dan Slott, Matt Fraction and the full Marvel editorial team all in attendance! Keep checking back on this page for continuous updates on what's going on inside the big meeting and what it means for the Marvel Universe!"

[PhotoJones]

I bet if the WGA strike ended tomorrow, so would Heinberg's involvement in that summit.

[TheCorpulent1]

I bet if the WGA strike ended tomorrow, so would Heinberg's involvement in that summit.
Which is exactly why I don't want to see him write more YA. New things, great; I have no attachment to them, so I can't be disappointed when he ultimately leaves for Hollywood again. But he left Young Avengers in a great place, and they could become really great characters if someone else took up the torch and reliably devoted time and energy to making them thus.

[PhotoJones]

Chris Gage. Make it happen.

[TheCorpulent1]

Seconded. :up:

[PhotoJones]

Co-writers seem to be the name of the game these days. In that case, I'll take any of combination of the following: Chris Gage, Dan Slott, Zeb Wells and Matt Fraction.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think Gage and Wells would knock this mofo out of the park. Gage has a great head for plotting and coming up with good stories, as his Wildstorm work shows. Wells is great with humor and has a good voice for teens, and his own stories certainly aren't shabby either.

[PhotoJones]

That's exactly what I was thinking, too. Gage is also really good with using past continuity instead of trying to change it to make his stories work.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he's like a Johns without the obsessive hard-on for the Silver Age.

[PhotoJones]

I'm hearing that Wells is making HFH a pretty decent read, which surprises me just for the fact that it's still being published. I keep telling myself that I should give it a shot.

[TheCorpulent1]

Not me. I'm perfectly content to pass on it. The only Heroes for Hire I cared about were Luke, Danny, and Ostrander's post-Onslaught team. Never did know or care much about Misty or Colleen, Felicia always annoyed me, and Shang-Chi always strikes me as a poor man's Iron Fist in the context of that team.

[PhotoJones]

That's harsh, dude. Shang-Chi is awesome. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

That's why I mentioned the context. Any martial artist would strike me as a poor man's Iron Fist on that team, really.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Dude, you downplay Shang-Chi in an unfair style. For shame, Corpy. :o

[Darthphere]

I bet if the WGA strike ended tomorrow, so would Heinberg's involvement in that summit.

While that may be true, sadly, it doesn't look like the WGA strike is going to end anytime soon.

Either way, if he somehow learned the ways of time management then I welcome him back with open arms.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I ought to slap you for raising people's hopes like that Dodge.

Heinberg learning time management. It's a scientific impossibility. :o

[Darthphere]

I ought to slap you for raising people's hopes like that Dodge.

Heinberg learning time management. It's a scientific impossibility. :o

It can happen.

[LouFerignoDemon]

If it happens, I'll drink a quart of motor oil.

[PhotoJones]

That's why I mentioned the context. Any martial artist would strike me as a poor man's Iron Fist on that team, really.

I'd kill to see Shang-Chi show up in IIF. Danny's obviously got more raw power, but Shang-Chi is way more skilled. It would be a good fight. I think Shang-Chi could take him, to be honest.

While that may be true, sadly, it doesn't look like the WGA strike is going to end anytime soon.

Either way, if he somehow learned the ways of time management then I welcome him back with open arms.

If he himself made a public commitment to do however many issues he committed himself to, and carried that out, I don't think I could hold anything against him. It's all that, "Yeah, I'm be back...soon...uh huh..." bull**** that gets to me.

[TheCorpulent1]

A commitment to do issues doesn't mean he'll do them in a timely fashion. He got all of the Wonder Woman issues he promised DC in; he just had ridiculously long delays in doing so.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Are you his spokesperson? Did he promise to give you a Thor mini or something? :o

[Darthphere]

Eh, I'm sure Marvel would wait until he had 6-10 scripts done before moving forward.

[TheCorpulent1]

Which still translates to a year or more of the Young Avengers sitting on a shelf with people losing what interest they had in them.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Except COMICBOY.

We'll get a "WHERE ARE THEY?!?!" thread. :o

[Darthphere]

Which still translates to a year or more of the Young Avengers sitting on a shelf with people losing what interest they had in them.

If you're a pessimistic *******, then yeah.

[LouFerignoDemon]

No no. REALISTIC at this point.

[Darthphere]

No no. REALISTIC at this point.

Anne Frank would believe he would get the issues out on time.

[LouFerignoDemon]

This isn't gonna turn into another fanboy fantasy fight between Anne Frank and Rosie O'Donnel, is it? :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Pff, Anne Frank would rock Rosie's goofy ass.

[LouFerignoDemon]

See, Corpy doesn't underestimate the wirey scrappiness of a survivalist. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Actually, things might go differently if we're factoring in different time periods and stuff. Anne might try to be clever and just pin her star on Rosie and wait for the Nazis to take her, in which case she's ****ed.

[deemar325]

It is a nice costume.

[Kevin]

Except COMICBOY.

We'll get a "WHERE ARE THEY?!?!" thread. :oNot really, I'm more than tired of waiting. They could be killed (for no reason in new x-men of all places) and It wouldn't actually upset me. I have more important things to worry about now, Like Spider-man and the X-men. The Avengers verse started to lose me some time ago.

[necross20]

Y'know, i'm thinking that no matter how good Shang-Chi or Iron Fist may be, the Cat could probably hand them their a$$e$ :o

[Savage]

Pfft. Yeah, right. Shang Chi whips that ass on a daily basis. :o

[PhotoJones]

Shang-Chi wipes the Cat's ass and a daily basis? :confused:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Kinky.

[PhotoJones]

Dirty.

[chamber-music]

vous devez faire d'urine

[Colossal Spoons]

Jamais!

[TheCorpulent1]

Bagette!

[LouFerignoDemon]

Shazam!

[The Geek Vault]

Coal Tiger!

[Colossal Spoons]

wtf is that? :(

[The Geek Vault]

Black Panther's name was coal Tiger for awhile when the real Black Panther's were big. I think Coal Tiger should be the name of the YA for Black Panther

[Colossal Spoons]

I can dig it :up:

[The Geek Vault]

I'm thinking of writing in to Marvel and suggesting it!

[Colossal Spoons]

I'll be the first to sign the petition

[PhotoJones]

I just reread the complete YA series and the whole thing just makes me sad. Seeing Steve and Tony getting along makes me sad. Seeing the YA's in action makes me sad. Seeing Cheung's pencils in a book that I can tolerate makes me sad. Seeing Jessica Jones in a role other than "Luke Cage's woman" makes me sad.

:(

[LouFerignoDemon]

Tony and Steve getting along makes you sad?

[Dread]

Because it seems like only yesterday when they were friends and allies, before they became mortal enemies, and then Steve was murdered. Throw in THOR #2 and the Avengers' "Big Three" is essentially destroyed forever. I can understand it making him sad.

Plus, the fact that a series with this much potential has sat on the shelf for so long is worth some sniffles, too. But it's comin' back, at least.

[PhotoJones]

Tony and Steve getting along makes you sad?

Hell yeah, it does. For the past year and a half they've either been at each other's throats or dead. I miss the old Avengers days.

[Kevin]

I just reread the complete YA series and the whole thing just makes me sad. Seeing Steve and Tony getting along makes me sad. Seeing the YA's in action makes me sad. Seeing Cheung's pencils in a book that I can tolerate makes me sad. Seeing Jessica Jones in a role other than "Luke Cage's woman" makes me sad.

:(
Now you know how I felt a few weeks ago when I re-read it.

[Colossal Spoons]

**** Tony and Steve getting along!

[PhotoJones]

**** Tony and Steve getting along!

No. **** you. :up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Hell yeah, it does. For the past year and a half they've either been at each other's throats or dead. I miss the old Avengers days.


Ah, it provokes old fond memories you enjoyed.

[PhotoJones]

What did you think I meant? :confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

No. **** you. :up:

Negro please

[PhotoJones]

I think it's time you went back to the X-boards.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm almost done my drink, in a minute :o

[LouFerignoDemon]

What did you think I meant? :confused:


Exactly what you said, that Tony and Steve getting along made you sad.

[PhotoJones]

Then why did you question it like it was odd, or something?

[LouFerignoDemon]

To me, it would be.

[PhotoJones]

Oh.

:confused:

[Darthphere]

Allan Heinberg made me attached to new characters in the matter of panels. I don't think I've felt that way about new characters ever*. Heinberg has incredible talent, ****ing Grey's Anatomy.


*Blue Beetle.

[chamber-music]

Black Panther's name was coal Tiger for awhile when the real Black Panther's were big. I think Coal Tiger should be the name of the YA for Black Panther

Coal Tiger is a terrible name.

Because it seems like only yesterday when they were friends and allies, before they became mortal enemies, and then Steve was murdered. Throw in THOR #2 and the Avengers' "Big Three" is essentially destroyed forever. I can understand it making him sad.

Plus, the fact that a series with this much potential has sat on the shelf for so long is worth some sniffles, too. But it's comin' back, at least.

I thing Ultimate steve and 616 Tony would get on great as they are both kinda jackass's.

[RockSP]

Coal Tiger is a terrible name.


Yep.

[PhotoJones]

Allan Heinberg made me attached to new characters in the matter of panels. I don't think I've felt that way about new characters ever*. Heinberg has incredible talent, ****ing Grey's Anatomy.

*Blue Beetle.

Fraction just did the same thing with Milo Fields in The Order. :up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Allan Heinberg made me attached to new characters in the matter of panels. I don't think I've felt that way about new characters ever*. Heinberg has incredible talent, ****ing Grey's Anatomy.


*Blue Beetle.

Some might think you invest too much emotional value into comics.

[PhotoJones]

And those people would be idiots. :up:

[Darthphere]

Fraction just did the same thing with Milo Fields in The Order. :up:

I'm going to pick up the trade on that one. I liked the first issue, but at the time I was so strapped for cash.

Some might think you invest too much emotional value into comics.

Maybe, but if I really didn't care whether a character lived or died, or if they ever got to meet their mother, I have no business reading any fictionalized stories.

And those people would be idiots. :up:

RockSp.:o :o :o :o

[LouFerignoDemon]

XD Dodge and PJ got my joke.

[Darthphere]

Because we love you.

[LouFerignoDemon]

And I didn't even have to pay you guys. I'd feel all warm inside if I had a soul. n.n

[RockSP]

RockSp.:o :o :o :o

Yeah, I'm an idiot because comic books are just comic books to me.:whatever:

[Darthphere]

Yeah, I'm an idiot because comic books are just comic books to me.:whatever:

Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery. :up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Let our love and care guide you to the path of true enjoyment of comic books. :heart:

[RockSP]

Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery. :up:

Hilarious:dry:

[Darthphere]

Hilarious:dry:

I know.


*carbon frozen*

[RockSP]

Let our love and care guide you to the path of true enjoyment of comic books. :heart:

Thanks but I've had "true enjoyment" since I've been able to read. Before that, really... just looking at the pictures in my big brother's comics.

[Colossal Spoons]

Aw, I don't think you're too big of an idiot RockSP. :cmad:

[RockSP]

Aw, I don't think you're too big of an idiot RockSP. :cmad:

Thanks, random stranger on the internet!

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r69/Rocksp/Funny/awesome.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I wonder if that guy knows he's the object of anonymous ridicule on the internet. :(

[Colossal Spoons]

He doesn't care. We're random strangers lol

[LouFerignoDemon]

He almost seems to be taking it personally. o.o

[RockSP]

He almost seems to be taking it personally. o.o

:huh: He looks like he's having a ball...hence the two thumbs up.

[Colossal Spoons]

Idk, there's this sarcastic "Put this pic on the internet and see if I care" look to him

[Darthphere]

http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/12/27/allan-heinberg-at-the-marvel-creative-summit/

[PhotoJones]

Oh my God, I can't watch videos at work. Is it good news?

[Darthphere]

Oh my God, I can't watch videos at work. Is it good news?

Not really any news. He talks about Young Avengers a bit, and being at the creative summit. Interesting tidbit is that Brevoort gives him early scripts with anything concerning the YA and as he says "Gives a little feedback".

[PhotoJones]

That's...it?

[Darthphere]

More or less, I'll watch it again and see if I missed anything. Either way, Heinberg being present is something that we should pay attention too. For all we know, he might be writing some YA One-****/Limited Series to tie-in to Secret Invasion, and that's the only reason he's there.

[PhotoJones]

Why is Marvel treating him like he owns the YA characters?

[Darthphere]

Why is Marvel treating him like he owns the YA characters?

They've learned their lesson after Ditko?:huh: :huh: :huh:

Either way, he created most of those characters (Whether you want to claim he didn't actually create Billy and Tommy, go ahead) and while he may not actually own them, I think it's cool that Marvel asks for his input. They don't owe him anything, but what can you say, I'm sure all Ronin appearances go by Bendis as well.:whatever:

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm sure most things Marvel go by Bendis anymore. :(

[PhotoJones]

It's not cool, though. It would be cool if he gave a **** about Marvel or the fans, but he clearly doesn't. If he did, he'd go ahead and give the okay for Marvel to continue the book without him, but he doesn't. Instead, he'd rather see it sit there, not making anyone any money, with the fans that supported the book being left in the dust. And Marvel bows to his wishes like a servant.

The YA gig was work for hire. He did his job and he didn't want to continue. That's fine. Thank you for your time, here's your check and there's the door.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Bendis?

[Darthphere]

It's not cool, though. It would be cool if he gave a **** about Marvel or the fans, but he clearly doesn't. If he did, he'd go ahead and give the okay for Marvel to continue the book without him, but he doesn't. Instead, he'd rather see it sit there, not making anyone any money, with the fans that supported the book being left in the dust. And Marvel bows to his wishes like a servant.

The YA gig was work for hire. He did his job and he didn't want to continue. That's fine. Thank you for your time, here's your check and there's the door.

Um dude, like you said, he doesn't own the characters. And I NEVER have heard anything about him not letting them continue with the book. The exact opposite actually. If Marvel wanted to continue without him, they would. They chose not to, and wait him out. That was their decision, not his. Don't let your hate cloud your judgment.

[PhotoJones]

Um dude, like you said, he doesn't own the characters. And I NEVER have heard anything about him not letting them continue with the book. The exact opposite actually. If Marvel wanted to continue without him, they would. They chose not to, and wait him out. That was their decision, not his. Don't let your hate cloud your judgment.

I don't hate him. I love his work. I just think he's being a douchebag in this instance. He asked Marvel to hold off on going on without him. That's a fact. That's douchebaggery.

[Darthphere]

Show me.

[Havok83]

I don't hate him. I love his work. I just think he's being a douchebag in this instance. He asked Marvel to hold off on going on without him. That's a fact. That's douchebaggery.
thats Marvel's fault for waiting bc YA is a cash cow. Im surprised they havent continued with it. I think Vaughan is one writer that would have done these characters justice

[PhotoJones]

Show me.

I'm fairly certain I read it in a Joe Friday.

thats Marvel's fault for waiting bc YA is a cash cow. Im surprised they havent continued with it. I think Vaughan is one writer that would have done these characters justice

Gage, Wells and Fraction are my top 3 choices.

[Darthphere]

I'm fairly certain I read it in a Joe Friday.

Wait, so it went from "fact" to "fairly certain". Again, show me.

[PhotoJones]

No, I'm certain I read it. I'm fairly certain I read it in a Joe Fridays thing.

[Darthphere]

No, I'm certain I read it. I'm fairly certain I read it in a Joe Fridays thing.

You're not showing me anything.


"I'm certain I read that Bendis wears women's underwear."

[Havok83]

I'm fairly certain I read it in a Joe Friday.



Gage, Wells and Fraction are my top 3 choices.
Im not familiar with their work

[PhotoJones]

You're not showing me anything.

"I'm certain I read that Bendis wears women's underwear."

I don't have to show you anything. :confused:

[Darthphere]

I don't have to show you anything. :confused:

Well then I'll just have to call it a fact that you're talking out of your ass, until you show me a direct quote from someone saying that Heinberg told them not to go forward without him.

[PhotoJones]

You can believe what you want to believe, dude. I really don't feel the need to prove anything to you. :up:

[Darthphere]

You can believe what you want to believe, dude. I really don't feel the need to prove anything to you. :up:

Then don't come on here and state things as facts when you can't back them up. :up:

Either way, again, even if he did say that, it's Marvel's fault for complying with his demands. For example, I can ask you to show me all the proof in the world, it doesn't mean you have to comply. Right?? Right???

[PhotoJones]

Then don't come on here and state things as facts when you can't back them up. :up:

Either way, again, even if he did say that, it's Marvel's fault for complying with his demands. For example, I can ask you to show me all the proof in the world, it doesn't mean you have to comply. Right?? Right???

I know it's Marvel's fault. That's why I originally asked why they were treating him like he owned the characters.

As far as posting facts without physical proof, well...welcome to a message board. It's what we do. How many times has someone referenced a specific page from a comic book and not had the scan? Plenty. In those cases, the skeptics can either believe it or take it with a grain of salt.

I'm at work. I don't have time to sift through weeks and weeks of NJF's to appease someone else on the internet. :up:

[Darthphere]

I know it's Marvel's fault. That's why I originally asked why they were treating him like he owned the characters.

As far as posting facts without physical proof, well...welcome to a message board. It's what we do. How many times has someone referenced a specific page from a comic book and not had the scan? Plenty. In those cases, the skeptics can either believe it or take it with a grain of salt.

I'm at work. I don't have time to sift through weeks and weeks of NJF's to appease someone else on the internet. :up:

But you have time to talk **** right?:o :o :o :huh: :brucebat:

Also, if they reference a specific page, someone can look it up. It's more of a "Yeah, the Hulk beat Jesus in that one comic!" I have a problem with.

[PhotoJones]

I always have time to talk ****.

Maybe I should have clarified: I'm not going to spend what time I do have searching the intarwebs to appease someone else. :up: