Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[Darthphere]

I always have time to talk ****.

Maybe I should have clarified: I'm not going to spend what time I do have searching the intarwebs to appease someone else. :up:

Not even sexually?

[PhotoJones]

That would depend, I suppose. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

i'm pretty sure i have never heard hein state that "marvel can't move on without me" infact i've heard the exact opposite from him... saying " i dont know what marvel is doing at the moment" and he's even mentioned that they will probably look for a new writer and move on without him (though he would like to still be a part of it) Thats really been it. He's never requested it be his book only... thats marvel playing the waiting game

[PhotoJones]

i'm pretty sure i have never heard hein state that "marvel can't move on without me" infact i've heard the exact opposite from him... saying " i dont know what marvel is doing at the moment" and he's even mentioned that they will probably look for a new writer and move on without him (though he would like to still be a part of it) Thats really been it. He's never requested it be his book only... thats marvel playing the waiting game

From what I've read, Heinberg and Cheung were supposed to get to work on the second volume soon after the last one wrapped. When that didn't happen, he asked Marvel to hold onto it for him until he has time to get back to it. That was not originally thought to be this long of a wait, by Marvel or Heinberg himself.

[spideyboy_1111]

From what I've read, Heinberg and Cheung were supposed to get to work on the second volume soon after the last one wrapped. When that didn't happen, he asked Marvel to hold onto it for him until he has time to get back to it. That was not originally thought to be this long of a wait, by Marvel or Heinberg himself.

i could see him asking them to delay it for a little.. nothing is wrong with that, but A) thats not his fault persay because that little bit lasted longer then he thought and B) that's marvels job to go.. ok well you have this window of a break, if you surpass that, we need to find a new writer.

[PhotoJones]

i could see him asking them to delay it for a little.. nothing is wrong with that, but A) thats not his fault persay because that little bit lasted longer then he thought and B) that's marvels job to go.. ok well you have this window of a break, if you surpass that, we need to find a new writer.

See, I disagree. It's not Heinberg's place to be asking Marvel to bend it's publishing schedule to his will, for any length of time.

[spideyboy_1111]

See, I disagree. It's not Heinberg's place to be asking Marvel to bend it's publishing schedule to his will, for any length of time.

well again that'd be marvels fault for allowing it... plus you act like this is the first time it's ever happened... almost EVERY writer has delayed a comic... and many have had a book go on hiatus... give or take the ones that are over a year don't happen as often.. but still its the same principle

[PhotoJones]

well again that'd be marvels fault for allowing it... plus you act like this is the first time it's ever happened... almost EVERY writer has delayed a comic... and many have had a book go on hiatus... give or take the ones that are over a year don't happen as often.. but still its the same principle

Yes, it's Marvel's fault for allowing it, but it's also Heinberg's fault for asking it of them in the first place.

And just because it's happened before, that doesn't make it right. Where's the logic in that? :confused:

[spideyboy_1111]

Yes, it's Marvel's fault for allowing it, but it's also Heinberg's fault for asking it of them in the first place.

And just because it's happened before, that doesn't make it right. Where's the logic in that? :confused:

1) im saying most writers ask for a break... and i believe there entitled to a break (depending on length) and theres nothing wrong with that.

2) i was saying marvel should learn from the past "long" breaks and correct what is not right... im saying look at the past and fix it (thats marvels fault)

[PhotoJones]

1) im saying most writers ask for a break... and i believe there entitled to a break (depending on length) and theres nothing wrong with that.

Uh...no. Most writers have no problem meeting their schedule requirements. It's the artists who fall behind and need a break. And what Marvel should do is what the used to do. Instead of placing the book on hiatus, just throw a fill-in artist in there.

2) i was saying marvel should learn from the past "long" breaks and correct what is not right... im saying look at the past and fix it (thats marvels fault)

And I never disagreed with that.

[Dread]

From what I've read, Heinberg and Cheung were supposed to get to work on the second volume soon after the last one wrapped. When that didn't happen, he asked Marvel to hold onto it for him until he has time to get back to it. That was not originally thought to be this long of a wait, by Marvel or Heinberg himself.

See, I disagree. It's not Heinberg's place to be asking Marvel to bend it's publishing schedule to his will, for any length of time.

Yes, it's Marvel's fault for allowing it, but it's also Heinberg's fault for asking it of them in the first place.

And just because it's happened before, that doesn't make it right. Where's the logic in that? :confused:

I agree with all of these statements. The utter lack of momentum that the YA franchise has had since the end of the first volume (and their CW mini last summer) and now is both Marvel & Heinberg's fault. In a way I would blame Marvel because, to give Heinberg credit, he was an outsider and may not have known about the full realities and expectations of the comic biz. Marvel's editorial elite, however, DID, and they chose to put YA on a shelf, even after the mini by Zeb Wells and Caselli sold JUST AS WELL as Heinberg's often late last 2-3 issues of Vol. 1. Now, it was a team-up with the Runaways, so you can assume that some of the Runaways readers probably snapped it, but that book was about 24k on a good month back in '06, so that boost couldn't have been much.

In a way I see it as Marvel once again bending over backwards, against the better judgment of themselves and their fans, to service another Hollywood writer, much as they did with Kevin "Don't even Mention DAREDEVIL: TARGET" Smith, Brian "Been waiting Four years and counting for my 12 issues of Ultimate X-Men, no hard feelings for jumping off X3 for SUPERMAN RETURNS, by the way" Singer, or that guy from LOST who did a whopping 2 issues of ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK. Marvel is almost always taken for suckers by Hollywood writers, but they ALLOW themselves too, again and again.

Ironically, in terms of Heinberg & YA, the strike is the best thing that could've happened. It likely won't end before 2008 begins and if it lasts through January, many TV writers will be in deep crap and Heinberg may have the chance and time to write some issues, or at least co-plot or co-write a few.

I agree that you can blame both parties for the YA mess, I'm just saying Marvel at least should have known better.

But that is moot, I guess, with a new mini coming out to test the waters for a relaunch. Still, with various A-List writers on the book, that may artificially boost the numbers and expectations for an ongoing. But, who knows. Hopefully it will act as a prelude to more good things for YA, rather than too little, too late.

OMEGA FLIGHT is the poster child of how to literally kill a potentially sell-able franchise practically in the cradle with poor decisions.

[PhotoJones]

I think I'd feel a lot better if I knew that the purpose of this new miniseries is to act a primer for a new series. Instead, I think we're all just kind of hoping/assuming that.

[Dread]

I think I'd feel a lot better if I knew that the purpose of this new miniseries is to act a primer for a new series. Instead, I think we're all just kind of hoping/assuming that.

That is also true. It may also be a scrap thrown to fans who have been begging for it, rather than a proper meal.

[PhotoJones]

Honestly, that was my first impression after reading about it for the first time.

[Dread]

Honestly, that was my first impression after reading about it for the first time.

Mine too, but sometimes I attempt to not be cynical. Especially as Marvel's had a handful of good launches/titles/decisions worth bragging about as 2007 closes.

[PhotoJones]

There's nothing wrong with a little well founded cynicism. It's when you start to get retarded with it, problems arise.

[Dread]

There's nothing wrong with a little well founded cynicism. It's when you start to get retarded with it, problems arise.

Is that a hint? I'm never retarded with my cynicism. :o

[PhotoJones]

Sure, Dread. Sure.

[Anubis]

Is that a hint? I'm never retarded with my cynicism. :o


I wouldn't say that there Corky.

[T'Jai]

Uh...no. Most writers have no problem meeting their schedule requirements. It's the artists who fall behind and need a break. And what Marvel should do is what the used to do. Instead of placing the book on hiatus, just throw a fill-in artist in there.

Like Jon Malin. :grin:

[PhotoJones]

You just had to go there, huh?

[LouFerignoDemon]

I think it's been long enough that it's in good taste, if not slightly old by now.

[Dread]

Sure, Dread. Sure.

Least I'm not the one who honestly believes getting Nick Fury back as head of SHIELD would actually be handled with drama and suspence, rather than just reverting to a status quo within three months, four tops. ;)

I wouldn't say that there Corky.

I was being sarcastic. I know I put the "i" in "pessimism". :o

You just had to go there, huh?

Malin's overreaction aside, you brought it upon yourself. He is a perfectly mediocre artist suitable for a fill-in to keep NW's from missing yet another month, and you've portrayed his art as the downfall of modern society. Yet embrace Bachelo, who hasn't drawn anything that didn't look like a melted piece of colored crap since 2000, maybe. Penciller taste is subjective, though. :up:

[T'Jai]

You just had to go there, huh? c'mon man sometimes you have to go for the easy score :o

[T'Jai]

I think it's been long enough that it's in good taste, if not slightly old by now. I think that will be legal tender with Pj for a while... especially when apropos as in the current line of convo :oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

See, I disagree. It's not Heinberg's place to be asking Marvel to bend it's publishing schedule to his will, for any length of time.
I don't know if I'd be that vehement about it. If Heinberg wanted to pursue something else but assured Marvel he'd be back soon, I'm okay with Marvel waiting. There's a line between pandering to creators and just being accommodating to build the best product they can. They completed a volume of YA and there was a natural break in the story that allowed for some down time, so it's not like they were committed to a monthly schedule for YA anymore.

It was irresponsible of Heinberg to basically go back to TV full-time and neglect to tell Marvel that he wouldn't be coming back anytime soon. It was also irresponsible of Marvel for not declaring Heinberg a lost cause after the first year or six months and finding a new writer to handle Young Avengers. Instead, they've wasted a lot of the interest that built up in YA to months upon months of waiting around while Heinberg ignored them.

[Specter313]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=141588

[PhotoJones]

That woodgrain costume is ridiculous.

[Darthphere]

Is it supposed to be a nod to his name or something?

[BrianWilly]

It looks like he's naked at the sides. Which is just gay.

[Darthphere]

Perfect?

[PhotoJones]

Is it supposed to be a nod to his name or something?

Wiccan/Woodgrain? :confused:

[Anubis]

They worship trees don't they?

[PhotoJones]

I don't think so. :confused:

[Darthphere]

They worship trees don't they?

That's what I thought.

[PhotoJones]

Wikipedia says they worship the Sun and the Moon.

[Anubis]

Ah, I see. Buncha pussies. Only worshiping things they can see. :o

[PhotoJones]

Makes a lot more sense than worshipping things you can't see.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, it's nice to see that Speed was a complete afterthought...

:(

[PhotoJones]

Did you expect anything different? He was an afterthought in the original series.

[Anubis]

He is pretty forgettable.

[PhotoJones]

He's a hot-headed speedster. Whoa, originality. :whatever:

[TheCorpulent1]

I like him. He's only considered an afterthought because Heinberg was too concerned with stupid TV to get volume 2 out on time, too. If we'd had a second volume with some actual development for Speed to match that of the others, who've been there longer, he'd be everyone's favorite character. FAVORITE, goddamnit. :cmad:

[PhotoJones]

Favorite afterthought?

[Darthphere]

Favorite afterthought?

:up:

[Kevin]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=141588
Cool. I was almost afraid marvel forgot about RAS.

[CaptainCanada]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=141653

Newsarama full-colour (still wordless) five page preview of Young Avengers Presents #1, two the pages having already been seen before. The Katriot duo on the hunt for the Winter Soldier (who, of course, will be Captain America when they find him).

I really like Medina's art here; based on this, and his NXM stuff, I'd be very happy to see him work on the next volume.

Also, Eli is in school, which, really, how could he not be registered?

[BrianWilly]

Heheh. "Katriot."

S'funny.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Patriot in school, active in an anti-Initiative thing, and Iron Man NOT on top of this? Sorta odd. =/

[Dread]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=141588

I like him. He's only considered an afterthought because Heinberg was too concerned with stupid TV to get volume 2 out on time, too. If we'd had a second volume with some actual development for Speed to match that of the others, who've been there longer, he'd be everyone's favorite character. FAVORITE, goddamnit. :cmad:

I certainly liked him. A speedster who wasn't a weenie when it came time to blow someone up. Marvel has very few of those (Calamity is at least being cool in THE ORDER), so I wouldn't mind some elaboration in the future.

I hope the story does SOMETHING to redeem Wanda a little, who went from longtime Avenger heroine to plot-device psycho-broad in the span of a year.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=141653

Newsarama full-colour (still wordless) five page preview of Young Avengers Presents #1, two the pages having already been seen before. The Katriot duo on the hunt for the Winter Soldier (who, of course, will be Captain America when they find him).

I really like Medina's art here; based on this, and his NXM stuff, I'd be very happy to see him work on the next volume.

Also, Eli is in school, which, really, how could he not be registered?

That is a cool preview from Medina.

Eli is in PUBLIC school. Do you know how many bungles fall through the cracks every day? In NEW YORK!? Sheesh. He could outright pummel someone to death with his shield and the odds of the school reporting it to the police and the media are 50/50.

[PhotoJones]

I kind of which Marvel would stop playing up the counterpart thing between the Young and uh, Old Avengers. We got it the first time around. Let these guys develop into their own versions of themselves.

[Dread]

I kind of which Marvel would stop playing up the counterpart thing between the Young and uh, Old Avengers. We got it the first time around. Let these guys develop into their own versions of themselves.

That's fine. But things were also left hanging from Vol. 1, and besides, various options have arisen. Brubaker has the chance to insert Eli into the complex and revived Cap backstory that he has refreshed during his run. Hulkling's father is literally back from the grave. And both Clint and Hank have been able to find Wanda, so why not her seemingly long lost kids? I don't mind the mini stories so far.

Now, when an ongoing happens...if it happens...THEN that is the time to move off the old bandwagon. But that could be in 2009 for all we know.

[PhotoJones]

Brubaker seems to have a pretty good handle on the YA's in the little amount he's written them. I believe I read somewhere that he doesn't think there's any room for Eli, Josiah or Isaiah in CA, but I'd like to see it happen nonetheless.

[TheCorpulent1]

Brubaker hates black people?

[Red]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=141588
Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa: Wiccan could be the Marvel Universe’s version of Harry Potter. .”

Huh :huh:

[PhotoJones]

Brubaker hates black people?

You hadn't figured that out by now?

[Red]

He seems to like Falcon.

[PhotoJones]

You mean, he seems to like the Falcon being shot at and always being one step behind the white people?

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh :huh:
He's a kid who does magic. What, you mean there are other kids who do magic besides Harry Potter? Get outta here. :o

[chamber-music]

You mean, he seems to like the Falcon being shot at and always being one step behind the white people?

could be worst, he could be Bill Foster or Bedlam or Synch.

[PhotoJones]

None of those characters died because of their skin color, though.

[Darthphere]

Man, I miss Young Avengers.

For today, I'm hating on Allan Heinberg.

[T'Jai]

None of those characters died because of their skin color, though.
course not...collateral damage... acceptable losses ...lack of popularity...etc...

[PhotoJones]

You do know that white characters die all the time for worse reasons, right?

[TheCorpulent1]

That's probably more of that unconscious racism Priest talks about all the time. "Bill Foster died because Mark Millar needed yet another random third-stringer to kill off so Clor could look scarier--on the surface. But if you dig deeper, you'll find that Bill was really killed because he's black. So, in conclusion: Mark Millar hates black people."

[chamber-music]

None of those characters died because of their skin color, though.

You do know that white characters die all the time for worse reasons, right?

I know but the black characters are in the minority so you noitice when they die. Also they tend to stay dead when other characters come back.

[TheCorpulent1]

But now you've got Bill's nephew doing the legacy hero thing alongside Damage Control.

[T'Jai]

I know but the black characters are in the minority so you noitice when they die. Also they tend to stay dead when other characters come back.
ding

[PhotoJones]

But now you've got Bill's nephew doing the legacy hero thing alongside Damage Control.

Which I am in major support of. :up:

[T'Jai]

But now you've got Bill's nephew doing the legacy hero thing alongside Damage Control.
And in the hands of McDuffie no less a writer of no small skill

[chamber-music]

But now you've got Bill's nephew doing the legacy hero thing alongside Damage Control.

I would like to see him kick Starks ass

[T'Jai]

I would like to see him kick Starks assmeh... that shtick is getting old, sides the kid wouldn't stand a chance...

[chamber-music]

I'm never tired of Stark getting his ass handed to him.

[T'Jai]

I'm never tired of Stark getting his ass handed to him.:woot:

[CaptainCanada]

Brubaker seems to have a pretty good handle on the YA's in the little amount he's written them. I believe I read somewhere that he doesn't think there's any room for Eli, Josiah or Isaiah in CA, but I'd like to see it happen nonetheless.
In an earlier Newsarama interview, he was asked if we'd be seeing Eli in Captain America after this; Brubaker said he might use him more, but that the core cast is already pretty full these days.

[PhotoJones]

I know. That's more or less what I said.

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, it was. I thought you were just being a dick again, but it really is the exact same thing.

[PhotoJones]

I know. That's why I said it. :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

That's what I'm saying!

[PhotoJones]

You're moving up the ranks in the Agreement Club. :up:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Fair warning, since I decided to correct Morg's allegations against me in another thread, I'll probably not be back due to some sort of ban. :o

[PhotoJones]

What did the weasel do this time?

[LouFerignoDemon]

In an anime thread, some guy made a comment that he wanted his hair like some character or something, so I said "Lame." Simple, nothing too insulting, especially as in that thread, we end up joking around a lot. So a poster gets all holier than thou, and tells me to leave the guy alone and leave the thread or whatever or be reported. I tell the guy to report me, because I don't take righteous attitudes easily (It seems like no matter WHAT happens, I don't learn not to push back when it comes to arrogance against me). So Morg comes in and gives me a post about trolling and posting in a thread that I don't contribute to (which is bull****, because a page prior, I was listing all sorts of stuff about it, he just didn't look) And I wasn't really trolling by one post. =/

But I'm not banned yet, so I'll probably be fine. I'm sort of suprised, I figured that would get me banned no problem for standing up.

[PhotoJones]

Morg is such an awesome mod. Where would this place be without him? :heart:

[Anubis]

Akin to some sort of Spiritual Nirvana that is like that unto gazing upon a magnificent Tom Selleck like Stasch for the first time?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know if it'd rate a Selleck 'stache. Maybe a Carl Winslow 'stache at best...

[PhotoJones]

I just got my daily filling of Reginald Vel Johnson a couple hourse ago, courtesy of Die Hard. :up:

[Anubis]

I heard he and Uncle Phil from the Fresh Prince were lovers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Have you seen both of them? I'm not sure how the mechanics of that would even work. :dry:

[PhotoJones]

My hope for good dreams tonight has been shattered. :(

[Anubis]

Well, my job is done here.

[Anubis]

Have you seen both of them? I'm not sure how the mechanics of that would even work. :dry:

Who wants a Mustache ride?!?

[PhotoJones]

Well, my job is done here.

I hate you. Really, I do. :(

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm never tired of Stark getting his ass handed to him.

Bucky FTW

[spectre]

anyways im not sure if this was mentioned but i read on tom brevroorts blog about those Young Avengers Presents covers... that retro art of all the old school heroes behind the Young Avengers isn't just scans of old comics. jim cheung redrew all of them by hand in each individual artists style...wow, just wow.

and by the way...

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/996new_storyimage9402680_full.jpg

[Arkady Rossovich]

That's actually something that i always had in mind.I thought Patriot's original costume was best,when he had the full mask on.

[spideyboy_1111]

ya patriots costume change was the only one i didnt like

[The Geek Vault]

When is the Young Avengers presents out?

[Dread]

That Vision cover's pretty cool. And it is interesting that Cheung can imitate their old styles. :up:

[spectre]

i liked patriots old costume better than the one he has now. i liked vision's iron lad look better. i liked statures original costume at first cause it was a shout out to her dad and i really liked that costume but the one she has now has sorta grown on me. i liked hawkeye's original costume mostly because of the whole mishmosh of past avengers it incorporated, but i guess the new one's alright. i like hulklings new costume because his old one was just another black leather look (how many times have we seen that before?) and wiccan's new look is better too becuase it simplifies his original.

[CaptainCanada]

I like the new costumes better, with the exception of Cassie's.

[CaptainCanada]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=141900

Interview with Paul Cornell about his issue of Young Avengers Presents, focussing on the Vision. Also included are some pages of pencilled art, by Mark Brooks (New X-Men, Ultimate Fantastic Four).

Vision impersonates Iron Man to get Stature out of Camp Hammond and take her on a date (smooth, Vision, very smooth).

[TheCorpulent1]

anyways im not sure if this was mentioned but i read on tom brevroorts blog about those Young Avengers Presents covers... that retro art of all the old school heroes behind the Young Avengers isn't just scans of old comics. jim cheung redrew all of them by hand in each individual artists style...wow, just wow.

and by the way...

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/996new_storyimage9402680_full.jpg
Holy balls, I have a lot more respect for Cheung's work on these covers now.

[PhotoJones]

Have you seen the interiors? Equally as good. Mark Brooks rules.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's all right. Brooks draws Tony Stark's face like someone smashed it with a sledgehammer, but otherwise it's cool.

[PhotoJones]

No, he doesn't. :confused:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/YoungAvengers/Viz/YApage2pencils.jpg

[BrianWilly]

Waitaminute, since when does Vision shapeshift?

[LouFerignoDemon]

Since a while now after getting Kang's suit.

I like how he becomes young Kang, who Cassie had something going with. It's going to be another Scarlet Witch/Vision/Person the Vision is based on love thing.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Vision 2.0's been shapeshifting since he was created. He turned his original, green-and-yellow Iron Lad look into his current, almost-original-Vision look back in YA vol. 1.
No, he doesn't. :confused:
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/YoungAvengers/Viz/YApage3pencils.jpg

:o

[BrianWilly]

I don't recall Iron Lad or Vision ever changing into another person. Changing colors or collar cuffs hardly counts.

[TheCorpulent1]

Kang's armor can look like whatever it wants to. It changed from Kang's armor to Iron Lad's armor to a normal, humanoid body for the Vision. That's clearly shapeshifting given that all of those things look markedly different from each other.

[PhotoJones]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/YoungAvengers/Viz/YApage3pencils.jpg

:o

That just further cements my point. I don't see any hammer smashing in the face region, dude.

[BrianWilly]

I don't see how that's possibly the same thing. He was a robot-looking thing that turned into other robot-looking things. And now he's a human? What, is he going to grow boobs next?

Meh.

[PhotoJones]

He will if Bendis writes him next. :o :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Where does the current Vision's current body look like a robot? It's a perfectly normal human body and a cape. The only thing that doesn't look outright human about him is the colors, and we already know he can also change his colors, so it's no problem.

If it makes you feel better, the current Vision and the original Vision both made use of holograms. Just tell yourself he's using holograms to look human now. Better?

[BrianWilly]

I was mostly thinking about his face. It's one thing to change your clothes on a whim; anyone can do that. Storm can do that:(. But to mimic someone else's features entirely? I think that counts as a completely separate superpower.

Plus, Hulkling already does that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Holograms, you baby. Holograms. There, everything's all better now.

[BrianWilly]

Holograms are gay.

[PhotoJones]

This guy on NPR was talking about how we'll all be communicating via live hologram within 10 years.

[TheCorpulent1]

Holograms are gay.
So they're right up your alley. ;)

But really, you contradicted yourself right there. What the new Vision can do is shapeshifting, pure and simple. It has been from the very moment he changed his Iron Lad-looking self into a fully functional human body. It has nothing to do with his face in particular, since he's changed the physical shape of other parts of his body. Stands to reason he could map someone else's features onto his own face and change it to reflect them. He's changed his shape and he's changed his colors--that's shapeshifting and he's had it since an issue or two after his introduction. The fact that you overlooked it is kind of embarrassing, but it's on you. It's nothing shocking or new for the character.

[BrianWilly]

But how was his Iron Lad form any less of a "fully-functional human body" than his Vision form? It's more shiny and has glowing sht, but to me it was no different from armor changing into other armor. It's not like his Vision form is anything but superficially human anyway.

I see it like Illyria turning into Fred, really. You expect that Illyria might be able to turn into Fred, using the exact arguments as your "shapes and colors" idea, but if she all of a sudden turns into Wesley then, well, that'd be very weird.

Turning into other versions of yourself is one thing. Turning into other people entirely? I see how it builds off of the similar idea, but I don't see it as the same thing at all.

Regardless, I accept that this new power has been added to his arsenal and is now canon. I just see it as a new power.

[spideyboy_1111]

But how was his Iron Lad form any less of a "fully-functional human body" than his Vision form? It's more shiny and has glowing sht, but to me it was no different from armor changing into other armor. It's not like his Vision form is anything but superficially human anyway.

I see it like Illyria turning into Fred, really. You expect that Illyria might be able to turn into Fred, using the exact arguments as your "shapes and colors" idea, but if she all of a sudden turns into Wesley then, well, that'd be very weird.

Turning into other versions of yourself is one thing. Turning into other people entirely? I see how it builds off of the similar idea, but I don't see it as the same thing at all.

Regardless, I accept that this new power has been added to his arsenal and is now canon. I just see it as a new power.

illyria stopped turning into fred due to the effect it had on people... the "vision" look is the true form, plus his superhero costume..

[TheCorpulent1]

But how was his Iron Lad form any less of a "fully-functional human body" than his Vision form? It's more shiny and has glowing sht, but to me it was no different from armor changing into other armor. It's not like his Vision form is anything but superficially human anyway.

I see it like Illyria turning into Fred, really. You expect that Illyria might be able to turn into Fred, using the exact arguments as your "shapes and colors" idea, but if she all of a sudden turns into Wesley then, well, that'd be very weird.

Turning into other versions of yourself is one thing. Turning into other people entirely? I see how it builds off of the similar idea, but I don't see it as the same thing at all.

Regardless, I accept that this new power has been added to his arsenal and is now canon. I just see it as a new power.
And on that last point, you'd be wrong according to Wikipedia:
Nathaniel's Iron Lad armor is composed of neuro-kinetic bio-metal, and he could alter its appearance and shape with his thoughts.
I'm pretty sure either Iron Lad or Vision 2.0 manifested spikes from the armor at one point in vol. 1, too. It's always been capable of some degree of shapeshifting.

[BrianWilly]

illyria stopped turning into fred due to the effect it had on people... the "vision" look is the true form, plus his superhero costume.....Er, yeah?

[spideyboy_1111]

...Er, yeah?

... yes... illyria's true form isn't fred... tony stark or a "human look" is not visions. it's similar to Xavin on runaways... he changes to a female for karolina.. but doesn't exactly like staying a female

[TheCorpulent1]

The Vision's current look is not the "true" anything. The "true" form of the armor is the purple harness-looking thing that Kang wears. Iron Lad shapeshifted it into something similar to Iron Man's armor, Vision 2.0 shapeshifted it into something similar to the original Vision's look.

[PhotoJones]

This discussion is pointless. Iron Lad can shapeshift. It's canon.

[spideyboy_1111]

Kang's armor downloaded vision to it... Vision was programmed to look like vision

[TheCorpulent1]

No, Kang's armor downloaded the Vision's operating system. The current Vision then developed a personality based on Iron Lad's brain engrams, just like the classic Vision (who is a different character entirely, both body and mind) developed a personality based on Wonder Man's brain engrams and, later, Alex Lipton's brain engrams. The current Vision then reformatted the armor from Iron Lad's design to a more human body, similar to the classic Vision's, because his looking like Iron Lad upset Stature.

[spideyboy_1111]

Now im confused... i just know Iron Lad left the armor behind, Vision and it became 1, and has iron lads brain patterns

[TheCorpulent1]

Iron Lad says he just downloaded the "operating system" from the old Vision. I don't really know what that means, but I know the old Vision had a synthezoid body and the brain engrams of Wonder Man and the new Vision has Iron Lad's armor as a body and the brain engrams of Iron Lad. Different body + different "mind" = different characters.

[spideyboy_1111]

yes, but opperating systems are pretty much what makes everything work... imagine it as Iron Lads armor took Visions "hard drive" like from a computer

[spideyboy_1111]

basically ironlads armor has what makes vision tick

[CaptainCanada]

Regardless, I accept that this new power has been added to his arsenal and is now canon. I just see it as a new power.
It's not new; he did it in #10, when he impersonated a prison guard.

[BrianWilly]

Well then slap me silly and call me willy.

Corp, why didn't you just say that?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because I didn't remember any specific instances of the new Vision shapeshifting for sure, and I couldn't check because I'm at work right now.
yes, but opperating systems are pretty much what makes everything work... imagine it as Iron Lads armor took Visions "hard drive" like from a computer
An operating system is not the same as a hard drive. :dry:

They probably have similar base code, but the two Visions' minds and bodies still come from different people and materials, so they're two distinct characters. If all it took for the current Vision to be the same character as the classic Vision were an operating system and some spare parts, regardless of the fundamental changes to his personality and body, the classic Vision himself would be the same character as the original Human Torch. :o

[PhotoJones]

The operating system is the software, while the harddrive is the actual hardware, right?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes. Operating systems are installed onto hard drives.

[PhotoJones]

i dont no much about computerz.

[Colossal Spoons]

you big dum-dum

[PhotoJones]

i iz stoopid. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

ias31By60N8

[PhotoJones]

I can't see it. :(

[spideyboy_1111]

Because I didn't remember any specific instances of the new Vision shapeshifting for sure, and I couldn't check because I'm at work right now.

An operating system is not the same as a hard drive. :dry:

They probably have similar base code, but the two Visions' minds and bodies still come from different people and materials, so they're two distinct characters. If all it took for the current Vision to be the same character as the classic Vision were an operating system and some spare parts, regardless of the fundamental changes to his personality and body, the classic Vision himself would be the same character as the original Human Torch. :o

im very aware... just giving an example. the new vision has what made the old one tick... plus a completely different personality. one body is destroyed.. the other is sentient armor.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know what you're arguing here. You concede that they have different personalities and that the classic Vision's body is destroyed while the new Vision's body is sentient armor (i.e. different from the classic Vision's body), so you pretty much agree with me: they're two totally different characters.
I can't see it. :(
Just know it's funny and watch it when you go home.

[PhotoJones]

Yessir.

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't know what you're arguing here. You concede that they have different personalities and that the classic Vision's body is destroyed while the new Vision's body is sentient armor (i.e. different from the classic Vision's body), so you pretty much agree with me: they're two totally different characters.

Just know it's funny and watch it when you go home.

i know.. and never said they weren't

[TheCorpulent1]

Then quit making me get all up in arms for nothing. :cmad:

[spideyboy_1111]

Then quit making me get all up in arms for nothing. :cmad:

lol your the one who got up in arms for no reason :-P am i gonna have to get the key-lime martini lube out again?

[PhotoJones]

All I want to do right now is go home and watch The Sword and the Stone. :(

[TheCorpulent1]

I do, too. I gotta do that after I finish reading my comics. :)
lol your the one who got up in arms for no reason :-P am i gonna have to get the key-lime martini lube out again?
Hey, what happens in the Smash thread stays in the Smash thread. :o

[PhotoJones]

I do, too. I gotta do that after I finish reading my comics. :)

Was it you who had the other SatS avatar? I remember one with a dancing Merlin.

[BrianWilly]

SatS or SitS?

I just want to make sure there's not a mystery version that I haven't seen or something.

[PhotoJones]

Oops. It's the Sword in the Stone.

[TheCorpulent1]

Was it you who had the other SatS avatar? I remember one with a dancing Merlin.
Yep, that was me. I used this one now because I'd already used that one back when I made them.

[PhotoJones]

That one you've got now...wasn't Wart a red squirrel with his ladyfriend being a gray one?

[TheCorpulent1]

Not unless Merlin was his ladyfriend.

[PhotoJones]

Gay?

[TheCorpulent1]

No way, dude, Wart was straight as an arrow. Not that he'd find anything wrong with the gays.

[PhotoJones]

I was Wart for Halloween once. :up:

[TheCorpulent1]

A recent one?

[PhotoJones]

No. :(

[The Geek Vault]

When's young avengers presents #1 out?

[CaptainCanada]

Two weeks.

[Dread]

Cool.

[CaptainCanada]

That's not nearly verbose enough a reaction to the Vision preview, Dread. You have a reputation to maintain.

[The Geek Vault]

Excellsior!

[CaptainCanada]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/846/846201p1.html

A preview of #1, with words and everything!

Heh. "Tancredo." I wonder if that's a political statement.

Nice of Bucky to check in on Isaiah.

[Dread]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/846/846201p1.html

A preview of #1, with words and everything!

Heh. "Tancredo." I wonder if that's a political statement.

Nice of Bucky to check in on Isaiah.

Cool preview. The writing is good and Medina's art is crisp. Looks to be the treat we all thought it would be.

[TheCorpulent1]

Aw, Bucky's still listed as the Winter Soldier. I wish he were already Cap so we could see him in the costume and everything.

[CaptainCanada]

They're probably trying to keep that a "surprise", despite the fact that anyone actually reading the story knows what's going to happen.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, it's not a surprise as of Cap #33 anymore, but I get what you mean. The in-costume debut of Bucky has to be in the Captain America comic, and I think #34 comes out after this.

[CaptainCanada]

The week after.

What I meant was, I think Bucky will appear in costume in this, but they want it to be a "Surprise! Bucky is Captain America!" moment within YA:P.

[TheCorpulent1]

#34 comes out the week after YAP?

[CaptainCanada]

So Marvel's notoriously untrustworthy website claims.

[Star]

can not WAIT for this

[spideyboy_1111]

So Marvel's notoriously untrustworthy website claims.

really? there always seem to be right the week of and week before, at least for me

[King Kong]

can not WAIT for this

niether can I :csad:

[Dread]

Welcome to the Hype, King Kong.

We won't have to wait much longer for this, at least. ;) Only been almost 2 years since the last YA mini, too. :p

[King Kong]

Welcome to the Hype, King Kong.


Thanks :)

[Dread]

Thanks :)

No prob.

[TheCorpulent1]

So Marvel's notoriously untrustworthy website claims.
Well, there you go. They probably want the debut of the new Cap costume to actually be in a Captain America comic rather than just some random other series.

[PhotoJones]

Wouldn't that be pretty obvious?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes.

[PhotoJones]

Just checking. :up:

[Darthphere]

Well, there you go. They probably want the debut of the new Cap costume to actually be in a Captain America comic rather than just some random other series.

You mean like Kyle Rayner's new costume, and Superman Prime's new look and.....

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, they were originally intended to debut their new status quos in the SCW. The SCW just took a lot longer than expected and DiDio decided to let it slide.

[BrianWilly]

Come to think of it, has Kyle actually been given an on-panel reason to appear in Countdown, yet? That's a rhetorical question; I know the answer is hell to the no. His personal timeline is supposed to be that he went straight from SCW to living on Oa.

uyotrskrtay

[TheCorpulent1]

He has actually been given a reason for appearing in Countdown. He gave it right when he first appeared: the Guardians thought the Challengers' mission was important or something, so they dispatched Kyle to help them out.

My guess at how that syncs up with what we saw in GLC is basically that it's his first mission after settling down on Oa. We still don't really know when the SCW takes place relative to Countdown, do we?

[The Geek Vault]

Who's pumped!?

[BrianWilly]

He has actually been given a reason for appearing in Countdown. He gave it right when he first appeared: the Guardians thought the Challengers' mission was important or something, so they dispatched Kyle to help them out.

My guess at how that syncs up with what we saw in GLC is basically that it's his first mission after settling down on Oa. We still don't really know when the SCW takes place relative to Countdown, do we?I...highly doubt...that there's just going to be a massive hole in midst of the Kyle-related events in GLC where he's just going to be free to fly around the multiverse for weeks (months? Is Countdown still supposed to encompass a year or did we retcon that already?), especially seeing as he's most likely stuck in Countdown to the bitter end.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, we don't know that. We still don't know where SCW and the current GLC stuff takes place relative to Countdown except that they're some unspecified amount of time before.

[SLVRSR4]

Welcome to the Hype, King Kong.

We won't have to wait much longer for this, at least. ;) Only been almost 2 years since the last YA mini, too. :p

I bought this in trade so I didn't feel the effects of this till later but it is wrong!

[Colossal Spoons]

Who's pumped!?

Me!!11111111

[Arkady Rossovich]

A new YA comic? It's about time..

[The Geek Vault]

Me!!11111111
Me too!222222222 anyway how is this working? Are they in pairs I heard a rumor the characters would be in pairs? like Patriot and Hawkeye, Hulkling and Wiccan, Vision and Ant-girl etc.

[spectre]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/April08/yngavngsprsnts4.jpg

full color and everything! and here's the solicit...

Written by PAUL CORNELL
Penciled by MARK BROOKS
Cover by JIM CHEUNG

The Vision is going through changes. He's a passionate man. And an impulsive one, if his decision to go and visit Stature at her Initiative training camp is anything to go by. He's got some important things to tell her. But will getting intangibly stuck halfway through her body while A.I.M. are attacking put a damper on his ardour?

[Dread]

That's cool, but I've seen the Vision issue solict about 10 times by now.

[GNR]

Cheung redrew all the original art shown in the background of each cover.That's pretty good.

I just re-read YA.For all the crap Heinberg gets for being late,I certainly hope he does more comic work in the future.For a freshman effort in comics,I don't think anyone else has had a better start.His writing is so engaging and lively.

[Dread]

Cheung redrew all the original art shown in the background of each cover.That's pretty good.

I just re-read YA.For all the crap Heinberg gets for being late,I certainly hope he does more comic work in the future.For a freshman effort in comics,I don't think anyone else has had a better start.His writing is so engaging and lively.

Oh, I know he's good. But so good that it worth keeping a franchise that showed promise, even selling at the same rate in a crossover mini with the then-Top 85 selling RUNAWAYS and a writer named Zeb Wells, for 2 years?

With the writers' strike, it may be now or never to realistically get Heinberg back on to write or at least plot a Vol. 2 arc.

[CaptainCanada]

I wonder if we're going to get any advance information on the writers of the Stature and Hawkeye issues, or if they'll just wait until the solicits (so, this time next month for #5). I'll be very interested to see who handles those.

[GNR]

At least he was at the creative summit I guess.Doesn't mean anything,but at least he's in the thick of things.

Not related to the thread at all,but I'm predicting a Millar/Johns swap between the big 2 3 to 5 years down the road.

Millar has made it clear that he has a significant admiration for the big guns of the DCU,especially bug blue, and has notebooks packed with Superman and JLA stories.His exclusive runs out at the end of this year before he goes nuts with this creator owned books.

Johns, in a recent interview with CBR praised Marvel and mentioned how all of his friends are there.He also said that he wants to get his hands on Iron Man,and like Millar,has notebooks packed with ideas and stories.And seriously,Johns has been at DC for quite some time now nearly writing every heavy hitter and z lister.When his exclusive runs out in 2009 or 2010,I would be very surprised if he renews with DC.

[CaptainCanada]

Millar has a bunch of ideas, but in the past DC has been extremely reluctant to let him enact them (he wants to make some fairly significant changes to Superman, as I understand it).

[RockSP]

Johns, in a recent interview with CBR praised Marvel and mentioned how all of his friends are there.He also said that he wants to get his hands on Iron Man,and like Millar,has notebooks packed with ideas and stories.And seriously,Johns has been at DC for quite some time now nearly writing every heavy hitter and z lister.When his exclusive runs out in 2009 or 2010,I would be very surprised if he renews with DC.

He could always work at both like he did before he took the DC exclusive contract.

[PhotoJones]

So, Brooks is doing the Vision special and Medina is doing the Patriot special. Those are two top notch artists and I'm impressed Marvel went the quality route for this. Medina'a art in particular looks like he's come a really long way, even since his last New Warriors issue. Good stuff. Who's doing the art for the other issues?

[Darthphere]

Peter and Paul.

[PhotoJones]

I know it's a joke, but I'm too tired to get it.

[Darthphere]

I'm not sure I get it.

[CaptainCanada]

Who's doing the art for the other issues?
#2 is Harvey Talibao, #3 is Alina Urusov (sp?). And, as of Matt Fraction's WordBalloon interview this morning on Newsarama, we know he's writing #6 (Kate meets Clint) with art by Alan Davis (something of a step up in name recognition from the other artists, I must say).

[PhotoJones]

Alina Urusov should be doing one of these. She's awesome. Alan Davis on the other hand is not. He's definitely the odd (old) man out.

[Dread]

Fraction on YAP #6 should be good. I am interested in how he handles Kate Bishop.

I'd be cool with Urusov on something like that, too. But at least Alan Davis gets to draw something that isn't written by Claremont for once.

[PhotoJones]

Alan Davis is terrible for this book. :down

[CaptainCanada]

Alan Davis is right for pretty much anything, including this book.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like Davis, but I don't think he does kids particularly well.

[Dread]

I like Davis, but I don't think he does kids particularly well.

No, that he doesn't.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's like Andrea Di Vito or Michael Ryan. Both have had stints on teenager-centric books and both have done pretty mediocre jobs, despite being good artists otherwise. Just a creator/project mismatch, which is sad.

[Dread]

I like Di Vito. :up: Least his YOUNG AVENGERS issues were on time. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he's a great artist. He tends to kick the most ass on big, expansive stories like Stormbreaker, though. His teenagers all look like short yet inexplicably elongated adults.

[PhotoJones]

Alan Davis is right for pretty much anything, including this book.

False. Davis sucks, plain and simple. He's an example of an artist who has not grown or improved his craft one iota since breaking in. Plus, his style was never special to begin with. He sucks with unusual perspective shots and he apes Neal Adams. :down

[Arkady Rossovich]

So, Brooks is doing the Vision special and Medina is doing the Patriot special. Those are two top notch artists and I'm impressed Marvel went the quality route for this. Medina'a art in particular looks like he's come a really long way, even since his last New Warriors issue. Good stuff. Who's doing the art for the other issues?

Wait..i thought the comic was finally comming back. Or are we just getting a special that's just a one shot story with nothing really to do with the YA?

[Dread]

I'll repost my review YAP#1, with spoilers:

YOUNG AVENGERS PRESENTS: PATRIOT #1: Part one of a 6 issue mini, or rather a series of one-shots by various creators, to flesh out the YA franchise from recent events, give their fanbase something new to chomp on besides cameo appearances, and probably test the waters for a "Season 2", which is "supposedly" scheduled to start sometime this year. It has been about 13-14 months since the YA last were in something with their names on the title, and the last mini was a team-up with the Runaways for CW, and then a team-up with Winter Soldier, and so on. Allowing a once hot Top 35 seller to gain dust for over a year waiting on Heinberg has been universally noted as an unwise idea at best, considering that Wells & Caselli were able to duplicate Heinberg & Cheung's sales with their mini, and I doubt carryover from the then-25k selling RUNAWAYS helped much. While this format allows for some good writers & artists to work on the characters and re-introduce them to fans, it isn't the same as another ongoing, which will pick another co-writer and so on. There is the deeper fear that a second volume won't come through because Marvel will insist on waiting for a writer who couldn't even be timely for the Distinguished Competition, even though YA sold without him (and with Cheung doing only covers, I may add). We all watched internal decisions kill OMEGA FLIGHT and while there is still interest in YA, collecting dust is never a good idea. Hell, not even Wolverine one-shots are automatic Top 50 sellers anymore.
I began this review with the flaws of the editorial management, because the comic itself doesn't really have too many. We all expected Brubaker & Medina to tell a great story and they do. Medina likely had to leave NW for two issues to pencil this story, and I'd argue it was worth it. He makes Winter Soldier look a bit young, but that is a minor quibble (and to be fair, he is a man in his mid-late 20's, which isn't exactly "old", I'm just used to Epting, I guess). The story in a way serves as a sequel to the WINTER SOLDIER one-shot from Dec. 2006. Eli Bradley ends up getting suspended after getting into a fight with a student who didn't like his school report, which noted the Tuskegee experiments on African Americans (which is the poster child of unethical experiments; I had a test on it in one of my final social work classes last year), and Eli socked him. Naturally, while Eli no longer has anger towards Capt. America specifically after meeting him, he still has issues with the dirty past of American history towards minorities, and in the wake of CIVIL WAR and the oppressive enforcement of the SHRA (register or be pummeled into a coma by the Thunderbolts, basically), Eli doesn't feel quite right dressing in red, white & blue and calling himself "Patriot". Naturally this is a very understandable feeling especially during the Bush Presidency, as he has become the Nixon of our generation. I've read a slew of Marvel stories with the similar theme at the end as Brubaker makes here, but he does it so well that it doesn't really matter. Formula can work if done well and not elongated without purpose. After Eli spots Bucky riding off from his grandparents' house after a meeting with his grandfather Isiah ("the original Capt. America"), he hooks up with Kate/Hawkeye and seeks out to find him; a recap of Isiah Bradly is given, which is good for those who didn't know or have forgotten. Billy/Wiccan has a cameo, but merely to serve as transportation; however, it does come across that after CW, the team has splintered, especially since Cassie/Stature has firmly supported the Initiative. They run into a battle between Winter Soldier & AIM's MODOC Squad, which in a way feels repetitive of the last one-shot, but I didn't mind. The discussion between Eli & Bucky at the end is the highlight of the issue, especially when the original Patriot, Jeff Mace, is acknowledged. Brubaker is a man who knows his history and never complains about how "limiting" continuity or past development are, because he knows they are only tools to be utilized by a writer with the proper skill level. Winter Soldier gets to speak for Brubaker a little (at least I felt that way from some of his SPOTLIGHT interviews, which were in his Omnibus) by having Bucky essentially tear a hole through Sally Floyd's logic on Cap in FRONTLINE about Cap, which is always refreshing. In a way, Eli probably finds it easier to relate to Bucky than to Cap, as they're both trying to do what their mentors seemed to accomplish so easily. I suppose in a perfect world, Brubaker could write Bucky/New Cap leading the YA and call it GOOD AVENGERS, but that's like playing Fantasy Football at this rate. I appreciated the good one-shot and while the mini isn't the perfect solution to YA's ills, it will allow some top notch talent to get the YA back into the thick of things and answer some fan requests, much like Wells did with the Runaways team-up, and that's not too shabby indeed. And I still say so long as Clint Barton wants to serve as Bendis' Ronin-Lovechild, Kate Bishop is free to call herself Hawkeye, damn it. She graduated to making tracking devices quickly. It is cute that she has an "older man" crush on Buck. Another solid effort and if all of the issues are this good, we're in for some good stuff...at least for a bone thrown to fans.

In an interview that was in this issue, Grevioux from the NEW WARRIORS reveals that he will be writing the Cassie Lang/Stature issue.

[CaptainCanada]

Huh, I've never read anything by Grevioux; of all the YA, I think Cassie is the on who most urgently needs some spotlight time, given all the stuff that's happened to her in the time between v.1's conclusion and now.

[Dread]

NEW WARRIORS isn't perfect but it is pretty good. I think Grevioux can pull it off. Here is the segment of the interview that pertains to it:



MARVEL: "You're also tackling one of the Young Avengers, the biggest one, actually -- Stature, in the series of Young Avengers Presents. What is it about the character that draws her to you?"

KEVIN GREVIOUX: "One, I like her SIZE! I've always liked size-changers, especially giants, so working with them is always a blast. But more towards her actual character, I like the fact that she's struggling to find herself and to be understood. The fact that she finds herself in an almost untenable situation with her mother and her stepfather because of her wanting to be a superhero is one thing. But add to that the fact that she's also trying to live up to the legacy of her dead father, who she loves and misses immensely, and that she has chosen to break ranks with her fellow Young Avengers given that she has joined the Initiative and they have not, you have like this troika of conflict with her being pulled in different directions. That's enough for any kid her age to have to handle, but it makes for a great character template."

[TheCorpulent1]

False. Davis sucks, plain and simple. He's an example of an artist who has not grown or improved his craft one iota since breaking in. Plus, his style was never special to begin with. He sucks with unusual perspective shots and he apes Neal Adams. :down
Well, he definitely hasn't changed his style much in the years he's been in the industry, but I liked his style to begin with. It's smooth and dynamic. :up:

[PhotoJones]

Well, he definitely hasn't changed his style much in the years he's been in the industry, but I liked his style to begin with. It's smooth and dynamic. :up:

It's bland and flat.

[Colossal Spoons]

Billy kills me. He's got all this time on his hands, you'd think he'd be doing spells all day to get better right? "I've never done a locater spell before" Wtf? If I had his powers, I'd be conjuring up ham sandwiches and every other obscure thing you could think of.

[spectre]

well thats you.

[Colossal Spoons]

Damn, you're right

[Dread]

Billy kills me. He's got all this time on his hands, you'd think he'd be doing spells all day to get better right? "I've never done a locater spell before" Wtf? If I had his powers, I'd be conjuring up ham sandwiches and every other obscure thing you could think of.

Apparently his magic creates a bit of a lightshow and his mother seems to watch him like a hawk to make sure he isn't doing anything showy or illegal. After all, she noticed the light from his room (despite a closed door) when he was teleporting Eli & Kate. Or he may just be enjoying the break from heroics, especially after CW.

[spectre]

this is true, remember he and hulkling ARE NOT registered. even though they appeared in the initiatve, dan slott fixed that in she-hulk by saying that those were just a couple of a number of alternate earth versions of the characters who traveled to our earth. it was his brilliant way of fixing almost every continuity snaffu the fans spotted.

[P.J.]

So what's the deal with the Registration. Is it optional now, or what? Billy, Eli and Kate acted like it was a choice.

[spectre]

nope, officially they are unregistered superhuman combatants acting ilegally, outside of the law. but **** the registration act!

[Dread]

So what's the deal with the Registration. Is it optional now, or what? Billy, Eli and Kate acted like it was a choice.

They may have gotten some of those "pardons" for acting as Secret Avengers. According to Slott's last SHE-HULK arc, the ones that joined the Initiative were alternate-reality versions. But, so long as they aren't caught using their powers as heroes and are classified as "retired" or something, it is okay.

Plus, to be fair, with the war over, the enforcement of the SHRA has not been as zealous as it was during.

[P.J.]

But they're living at home. I mean, Stark must know hoe to find them. Maybe the laws have changed and you do not have to sign up if you agree to never use your powers or something. Either way, I think Marvel has some explaining to do.

[T'Jai]

are you looking for continiuity???



from Marvel???

[Dread]

But they're living at home. I mean, Stark must know hoe to find them. Maybe the laws have changed and you do not have to sign up if you agree to never use your powers or something. Either way, I think Marvel has some explaining to do.

Frankly, the exact specifics of the SHRA even nearly 2 years after CW have remained fudgy, or at least no two writers seem to have exactly the same understanding of them.

But from my understanding, "retiring" is a way to avoid registration and the Initiative. Firestar did it in FRONTLINE #2.

[T'Jai]

yeah but she left the country...

[spectre]

i think stark's got much more important things to deal with like the mandarin unleashing extremis, the symbiote invasion of nyc, and the impending skrull invasion to worry about the young avengers registering.

plus he can't actually legally prove that eli bradley is patriot or that billy kaplan is wiccan. sure he knows they are but there is no evidence. he tried this with iron fist in new avengers and said that he had video evidence in his armor that danny rand was an illegal superhero and his lawyer basically said "fine but we're gonna sopena every video record u have in ur armor" so he's basically caught up in a bunch of legal red tape.

[Colossal Spoons]

Apparently his magic creates a bit of a lightshow and his mother seems to watch him like a hawk to make sure he isn't doing anything showy or illegal. After all, she noticed the light from his room (despite a closed door) when he was teleporting Eli & Kate. Or he may just be enjoying the break from heroics, especially after CW.

this is true, remember he and hulkling ARE NOT registered. even though they appeared in the initiatve, dan slott fixed that in she-hulk by saying that those were just a couple of a number of alternate earth versions of the characters who traveled to our earth. it was his brilliant way of fixing almost every continuity snaffu the fans spotted.

So he never gets free time away from his mom? :huh:

[spectre]

uhm sure he does, he's a regular teenager like any other kid, he can go out and do stuff that regular people do.

[Colossal Spoons]

But they're living at home. I mean, Stark must know hoe to find them. Maybe the laws have changed and you do not have to sign up if you agree to never use your powers or something. Either way, I think Marvel has some explaining to do.

Yeah, that's what that Firestar lady did at the beginning of CW

[Colossal Spoons]

uhm sure he does, he's a regular teenager like any other kid.

He must just not be interested in practicing his magic

[spectre]

He must just not be interested in practicing his magic

hey i wasn't interested in practicing spanish in high school

[Dread]

So he never gets free time away from his mom? :huh:

If he does, he and Ted likely are off...well, not practicing magic. ;)

He must just not be interested in practicing his magic

Or maybe he's a slacker. :p

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, it's funny that his mother seems to have more of a problem with him practicing magic than liking men. Tolerance FTW!

[Dread]

Haha, it's funny that his mother seems to have more of a problem with him practicing magic than liking men. Tolerance FTW!

Yeah, parents are funny like that.

[spark627]

any word on when YA will return? (besides the mini)

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope. The hardcover of the entire first volume comes out next month, though. I pre-ordered it on Amazon. :up:

[spark627]

its out already, i bought it on wed :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Lame, Amazon says 2/18. :(