Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[CaptainCanada]

Thor Girl?

Zzzzzzz...

If you want to get rid of anyone, get rid of Hulkling; he's the only member of the team I've never really found that interesting.

[spideyboy_1111]

Thor Girl?

Zzzzzzz...

If you want to get rid of anyone, get rid of Hulkling; he's the only member of the team I've never really found that interesting.

you do realize wiccan and hulking esp there relationship are MAJOR draws for many fans to the book right? lol... hell id go out on a limb and say there the 2 most popular. Marvel isn't getting rid of hulkling

[spark627]

Especially when Billy's around.

Thank yew, Thank yew..you're too kind...


haha love it. but seriously, Billy and Teddy are the best thing about this book.

[CaptainCanada]

you do realize wiccan and hulking esp there relationship are MAJOR draws for many fans to the book right? lol... hell id go out on a limb and say there the 2 most popular. Marvel isn't getting rid of hulkling
They're not getting rid of anyone, so it's a purely academic discussion.

The last thing the team needs is any more characters; they've got seven mains (plus Iron Lad/Kang floating in the background waiting to be revisited at some point) who've had only a couple of stories told with them; in the case of Vision and Speed, they joined midway through the second story (particularly Speed).

[spideyboy_1111]

They're not getting rid of anyone, so it's a purely academic discussion.

The last thing the team needs is any more characters; they've got seven mains (plus Iron Lad/Kang floating in the background waiting to be revisited at some point) who've had only a couple of stories told with them; in the case of Vision and Speed, they joined midway through the second story (particularly Speed).

well.... i still think they could put one more in... but knowing marvel, one will eventually be killed off :o:csad:

[Colossal Spoons]

Here's hoping Cassie or Kate gets killed next :up:

[RockSP]

Something you wanna tell us...? Regarding your hatred of women??!!!!??:cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Cassie, sure. Kate I actually like when people aren't calling her "Hawkeye" and forcing me to throw the comic across the room in disgust. Give her a different name, make her the leader, and let her do her thing. :up:

Tarene would be kind of awkward on the Young Avengers. Besides, she's off in Georgia now, so I'm sure we'll never see her again.

[Colossal Spoons]

Something you wanna tell us...? Regarding your hatred of women??!!!!??:cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

That all the women on that team bore me.

[RockSP]

Tarene would be kind of awkward on the Young Avengers.

Why?

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't give a specific reason, since we've never seen her actually interact with anyone at length other than Trauma and Thor. It's just a vague feeling I get, like she's a piece that doesn't fit the YA puzzle. Then again, I'm pretty happy with the YA as they are--including Cassie. You've gotta have a hateable member on every major team, otherwise they get along too well and become boring.

[spark627]

I just want new issues... this YA Presents mini isn't cutting it. I feel like they are putting it out so people don't forget the series but nothing is really going on in the series bc of whatever plans Heinberg has... if any.

[TheCorpulent1]

Heinberg has plans. He's just too busy making real money to go slumming in the comics industry again.

[spark627]

I guess you're right, as much as I hate the delay, I want him to write the series. No one handles the characters like he does and I obviously Marvel knows that.

[RockSP]

That all the women on that team bore me.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r69/Rocksp/Funny/ThatsRacist.gif

[spideyboy_1111]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r69/Rocksp/Funny/ThatsRacist.gif

it needs to be changed to sexist.... *yawn...



now when i say patriot bores me.... that gif makes most sense.

my order of likes... would be.

Hulkling
Wiccan
Ironlad
Speed
Vision
Hawkeye
Cassie
Patriot

[spark627]

I like Patriot, he has a cool story. I just wish he wasn't so angry all the time, a lot of black male character get the Angry Black Man syndrome, I hope he grows beyond that.

[moraldeficiency]

my order (I like Patriot):

Patriot
Speed
Vision
Hulkling
Kate
Wiccan
Cassie
Ironlad

[RockSP]

it needs to be changed to sexist.... *yawn...

Women are a species all unto themselves, homey.

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess you're right, as much as I hate the delay, I want him to write the series. No one handles the characters like he does and I obviously Marvel knows that.
Oh no, I don't think Heinberg needs to write the Young Avengers. I'd be more than happy to see someone who doesn't treat comics like a hobby take over the series and give us their vision of the characters. Waiting over a year after the planned return of the series for the writer to deign to revisit his creations is just ridiculous.

[spark627]

Well, I agree that YA should have a writer that respects deadlines, the book itself and the fans (he did this same crap with WW, although that wasn't half as good as YA), but I really like the way he writes the book and I feel like eventually it will be worth the wait. Maybe we can bombard him on his Myspace :)

[CaptainCanada]

I like Patriot, he has a cool story. I just wish he wasn't so angry all the time, a lot of black male character get the Angry Black Man syndrome, I hope he grows beyond that.
He usually isn't that angry (throughout the original run, he was angry with Captain America, but he got over that, and since then he's basically been the level-headed leader).

[TheCorpulent1]

I still think Kate's natural leadership ability is well beyond Patriot's. She's just letting him lead because she likes him. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

I still think Kate's natural leadership ability is well beyond Patriot's. She's just letting him lead because she likes him. :o

agrees, she shows no weakness, she kicks ass and takes names. Patriot's a weak leader who honestly doesn't lead much at all

[RockSP]

If you have a shield and a flag motif, you lead. Simple as that.

[spideyboy_1111]

If you have a shield and a flag motif, you lead. Simple as that.

then he needs a new costume... because he's done a piss poor job at leading:o

[TheCorpulent1]

If you have a shield and a flag motif, you lead. Simple as that.
That does seem to be the rule of thumb, unfortunately.

[RockSP]

Battlestar being the exception...

[TheCorpulent1]

Uh... I guess.

[RockSP]

What's to guess? He's never led jack squat.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, the character Battlestar. I thought you were making a Battlestar Galactica reference. :o

[RockSP]

Less weed, please.

[TheCorpulent1]

I've never smoked weed in my life. :cmad:

I have, however, been drinking.

A lot.

[moraldeficiency]

I've never smoked weed in my life. :cmad:

I have, however, been drinking.

A lot.

bong water?

[TheCorpulent1]

Ew, no. Liquor. Like a man. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

haha

[Dread]

Oh no, I don't think Heinberg needs to write the Young Avengers. I'd be more than happy to see someone who doesn't treat comics like a hobby take over the series and give us their vision of the characters. Waiting over a year after the planned return of the series for the writer to deign to revisit his creations is just ridiculous.

Plus, in addition to this point, I think there is more than enough material to showcase that other writers can write the YA capably. Zeb Wells did well with that CW Runways team-up when absolutely NO ONE expected him to. At the very least, YAP has showed that Brubaker, Reed, and even whoever did the Vision issue who I never heard of before can write it passably. There are some new franchises that are so different, so off the wall that replacing the creator behind it seems doomed to lower quality....basically, this is RUNAWAYS. But there are other franchises more in line with the rest of 616 that any writer who cares enough about it can dive in and do a good show.

The strike is over and Marvel couldn't even get an outline from Heinberg. YAP is selling at LEAST 50% less than the CW mini-series precisely because they let the heat leave this once-hot franchise, and with a different creator on every issue, the sales will bob up and down. It should be beyond debate that Marvel simply cannot wait any longer to announce a non-Heinberg regular writer on a second volume of YA.

Of course, they may have no intention of ever doing that by simply releasing mini after mini at a clip of 1-2 a year. Which is just band-aid solutions. This is what absolutely disgusts me about Marvel (and DC too, because they do this, to), and that is they are such scared suck-up wussies that they fear "offending" some of the Hollywood talents who see comics as a hobby gig for the weekends or insomnia and then leave the ball hanging again...and again...and again...and again...and AGAIN. Marvel and DC talk a big game about being out of the shadows and into the mainstream, but they pretty much let any outside talent waltz in and break their hearts without even so much as a whimper in protest. Marvel is that poor schmuck who really believed that his "date" wants to "do it again sometime" despite the fact that she never answers his calls, so they keep clogging the voice-mail and hanging to a dream. Any writer who has done any movie or TV show can walk in, steal the gig from someone more deserving, be months or years late and barely produce any work, yet if they came a-knockin' one day, Marvel (or DC) will always answer. If comics ARE in the mainstream, then for ****'s sake, Joe Q & DiDio, show some ****ing dignity for your craft and your fans and expect nothing less than professionalism from anyone and everyone you hire, regardless of the resume.

Y'know, like REAL LIFE! :angry:

Marvel has allowed a fresh franchise to all but evaporate all of it's buzz and more than half of it's fanbase because they can't commit to a decision or risk offending some Hollywood flake. That is ****ing embarrassing and pathetic beyond words. We should be amazed that Joe Q wasn't born when Ditko and Lee split on ASM, otherwise the web-slinger'd probably be in the dustbin of history.

[TheCorpulent1]

Paul Cornell wrote the Vision issue. Same guy who's writing Captain Britain and MI-13.

[CaptainCanada]

Arrives tomorrow: can't wait.:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

I know, I'm so excited! Black Knight is second only to Thor in my comic character heart of hearts.

[Dread]

Paul Cornell wrote the Vision issue. Same guy who's writing Captain Britain and MI-13.

Really? Cool then.

And I look forward to nabbing it tomorrow as well. :up:

[CaptainCanada]

Couple of links:

IGN preview of various SI-related covers, including the final Runaways/Young Avengers one (http://comics.ign.com/articles/874/874298p3.html).

Newsarama interview with Chris Yost about said series (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=157180).

[TheCorpulent1]

Couple of links:

IGN preview of various SI-related covers, including the final Runaways/Young Avengers one (http://comics.ign.com/articles/874/874298p3.html).

Newsarama interview with Chris Yost about said series (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=157180).
**** (http://comics.ign.com/dor/articles/874298/secret-invasion-revelations-part-five/images/secret-invasion-20080515111302246.html) yes. (http://comics.ign.com/dor/articles/874298/secret-invasion-revelations-part-five/images/secret-invasion-20080515111313558.html)

[Dread]

Couple of links:

IGN preview of various SI-related covers, including the final Runaways/Young Avengers one (http://comics.ign.com/articles/874/874298p3.html).

Newsarama interview with Chris Yost about said series (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=157180).

Glad Chase has his Fistigons back.

Although with Whedon & Ryan's run STILL not finished, the continuity may be fuzzy. Oh, well.

[Savage]

**** (http://comics.ign.com/dor/articles/874298/secret-invasion-revelations-part-five/images/secret-invasion-20080515111302246.html) yes. (http://comics.ign.com/dor/articles/874298/secret-invasion-revelations-part-five/images/secret-invasion-20080515111313558.html)

HAHA! NICE! *chanting* Thooors gooonna kiiill you. Thooors gooonna kiiill you. :woot:

[CaptainCanada]

Preview for #5 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=347&disp=table)

I don't know about the purple lipstick, Kate.

The "this is your conscience" line made me laugh.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is it bad that I'm 100%, completely, utterly sick of Cassie at this point? I wish she'd just die already so the rest of the Young Avengers can continue to be awesome without her periodic interruptions of lameness.

[Anubis]

Bah, theres nothing wrong with Cassie.

[TheCorpulent1]

Cassie is a giant, walking mass of wrong. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Although with Whedon & Ryan's run STILL not finished, the continuity may be fuzzy. Oh, well.

I'm pretty sure this crossover is going to be 40000x more interesting, entertaining, and relevant that that garbage Whedon is writing. :down:

Is it bad that I'm 100%, completely, utterly sick of Cassie at this point? I wish she'd just die already so the rest of the Young Avengers can continue to be awesome without her periodic interruptions of lameness.

I'm right there w/ you brother. She's nearing Molly levels and since she's older, I can wish more ill on her and not get looked at like an evil kid-hater.

[Anubis]

You guys just hate vaginas is all.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeeeaaahh....

[Anubis]

"yeeeeaaaah" as in "yeah right" or "yeeeeaaaah" in the Lil Jon sense expressing enthusiastic agreement?

[TheCorpulent1]

"Yeah" as in "Yeah, Cassie sucks."

[Colossal Spoons]

and Yeah...Molly's 8 so her vagina is a non-issue.




Unless you're Franklin Richards, he needs to get up in that :up:

[Savage]

and Yeah...Molly's 8 so her vagina is a non-issue.




Unless you're Franklin Richards, he needs to get up in that :up:God, so wrong and yet I laughed so hard.

[TheCorpulent1]

Frankie's all about Katie Power, my friend.

[Colossal Spoons]

She's a whore and I hope she gets left out of the PP movie! :cmad:



P.S. I have no idea who she is

[TheCorpulent1]

http://bp3.blogger.com/__wZthD9t00w/R32_PbRTgtI/AAAAAAAAACs/OhuYJTz_0wI/s1600-h/f_14.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

:sigh:

[TheCorpulent1]

She's cuter than Molly and less annoying. :)

And if that's still not enough, she's got a little ****ing unicorn pony!

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok, that is pretty effing cute

[Kevin]

I'm pretty sure this crossover is going to be 40000x more interesting, entertaining, and relevant that that garbage Whedon is writing. :down:



I'm right there w/ you brother. She's nearing Molly levels and since she's older, I can wish more ill on her and not get looked at like an evil kid-hater.
F*** that. Molly needs to get a wolvie claw down her throat. And kicked in the c*nt by the tarantula.:cmad:

[Anubis]

..Jesus..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/dude.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Wowzers.

[Kevin]

She's honestly the reason the I won't read the book, ATM. Maybe I'll read the new issue 1, but more likely not.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm going to give the new volume an arc to see if Moore's story is worth stomaching Ramos' art.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'll read it with severe enthusiasm just b/c Whedon's off the book :o

[Charlie No-One]

I just read the Hulkling and Wiccan Presents.

They were excellent. I really miss the YA. :(

[spark627]

I'm re-re-re-reading my YA Hardcover, so great. I want new issues so bad. Its crazy that such a great and successful book is being forgotten.

[The Geek Vault]

Comic Shop Run this weekend! Going to get the new ish! Also my english teacher lost my TPB of YA volume 1 he ordered it on Ebay so yay!

[Dread]

At the very least, YA & RUNWAYS will finish on time. Whedon & Ryan have taken over a year for a 6 issue storyline, which is ****ing atrocious. Atop of taking over 4 years to finish a 25 issue run on AXM. All while Whedon cares enough about BUFFY to get in scripts on time or set up fill in writers when he can't. If Marvel hires Whedon again for anything beyond a one-shot, they prove they see their fans as nothing but dollars.

Now we're comparing Cassie to Molly now!? I don't get all the Cassie hating, but I probably am more annoyed by Molly than Cassie. At least Cassie has a legacy. Really, it all went to hell when Millar decided to have her abandon her friends in the middle of CW and then the other writers had to deal with it. It was OOC but he of course didn't care. Why couldn't Slott have made THAT action akin to the "alternate reality tourists" in SHE-HULK!?

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I didn't have too much of a problem with her going pro-reg. She lost her father to completely preventable circumstances in the superhero trade. Kids are taught that figures and institutions of authority are there to protect them, too. Plus, really, the Young Avengers are still relatively blank slates overall; we can't really say that some things would be totally out of character for them because the current writers are still forging their characterization to some extent.

[Dread]

It still seemed odd, and it created all her wangst problems that people seem to be tiring of now.

Besides, "preventable" if you believe that Wanda was growing crazy over the years when she clearly wasn't since the 90's. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

"Wangst"? Et tu, Dreadus?

[Dread]

"Wangst"? Et tu, Dreadus?

It's the slang du jour.

[Majik1387]

These one shots are not satisfying my need for continuation to the YA story.:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Probably because they're not "continuing" much of anything in the sense of progressing any characters' stories. They're just basically checking in on the characters so we can watch them spin their wheels a bit before Heinberg deigns to grace us with a second volume.

[Dread]

Probably because they're not "continuing" much of anything in the sense of progressing any characters' stories. They're just basically checking in on the characters so we can watch them spin their wheels a bit before Heinberg deigns to grace us with a second volume.

Which, as I have ranted before, is an utterly clueless and ball-less strategy. Stand up for yourselves, Marvel!

[The Geek Vault]

I still wanna see Iron Lad,,,, I miss Iron LAd

[Mogwai]

^^heard he was returning in the second volume.

[Varient]

I still wanna see Iron Lad,,,, I miss Iron LAd

^^heard he was returning in the second volume.

I expect he'll be changing his name?

Maybe:

Lesser Kang
Iron
Metalman?

Something better than "IronLad"

[Majik1387]

I'm happy with the name Iron Lad

[Varient]

I'm happy with the name Iron Lad

No heat,.. I just thought "Lad" gives pictures of a pre teen,.. or at best,.. a 13 year old.

[TheCorpulent1]

It makes me think of the Legion, who adopted similarly campy names for similar reasons.

[RockSP]

Iron Lad and Ferro Lad are cousins.

[CaptainCanada]

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.3842.Young_Avengers~colon~_Hawkeye_Sq uared

Intervew with Matt Fraction about #6, with some coloured art.

[Hans]

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.3842.Young_Avengers~colon~_Hawkeye_Sq uared

Intervew with Matt Fraction about #6, with some coloured art.

Nice. :up:

I like the subtle coloring, especially on the first page. Davis does a good Kate.

[Anubis]

sweet.

[TheCorpulent1]

Whoa, Speed/Kate lovin'? Go, Tommy. :up:

[The Geek Vault]

How old are the kids in the book do you guys think?

[Anubis]

14 to 16 years old.

[Colossal Spoons]

Nice preview but can we get Clint out of that Ronin costume please? Please? :(

[CaptainCanada]

How old are the kids in the book do you guys think?
Cassie's the only one who's got a definite age, at 14 (15 in June); everybody else strikes me as being in the 16-17 range.

[spideyboy_1111]

cassie is also the youngest i think most are between 16-18

[Dread]

Nice preview but can we get Clint out of that Ronin costume please? Please? :(

Don'tcha know, it's Clint's latest fetish to dress in the costumes of women he sleeps with now. Think about it.

Yeah, Ronin = Lame, but Bendis is in no rush to change. I just figure, the fewer lines that Clint gets in Bendis books by playing ninja, the better chance he has of not being written poorly. ;)

[Colossal Spoons]

^ lol true

[TheCorpulent1]

cassie is also the youngest i think most are between 16-18
Who do you think is 18? I think of Kate as 17 at most and the rest of the Young Avengers as 15 or 16. Except Cassie, who's definitely 14, and Vision Jr., who's about 6 months old.

[Hans]

Have their ages been referenced anywhere? Because I'd say that Cassie's definitely older than 14. I see Kate as probably being the oldest at 18, with Cassie, Billy, Tommy and Teddy being around 17. I'd put Eli as being the youngest at 16.

[TheCorpulent1]

You think Eli's younger than Cassie? My speculation (and it's just that) is as follows, from youngest to oldest:

Vision, Jr. - 6 months (tops)
Cassie - 14
Billy - 15
Tommy - 15
Elijah - 16
Teddy - 16
Kate - 17

[Hans]

Well, I don't count the Vision II as being any certain age, at least by American teenaged standards. But yeah, I see Eli as being the youngest of the group. He's the angriest, for sure, but I think he's a lot more idealistic than the others and I see that as stemming from his being the youngest and maybe the most naive of the bunch.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm, I saw that coming more from his upbringing. He's lived with his poor, unappreciated grandfather for his whole life while Captain America's been getting all the glory. That was the only thing he was really angry about; once he got over that, he calmed down considerably. He is still naive, but you can be naive at any age.

[Hans]

True. But I see his anger coming from his upbringing, and idealism coming from his age.

[CaptainCanada]

Eli's the leader; I'd place him as one of the oldest.

Cassie, regardless, is definitively the youngest (Eli objects to her being on the team because of her age, even, when they first meet, and she's stated to be 14).

[Hans]

I don't see age has having anything to do with being the leader. Eli's just the most proactive member and the guy to take charge when something comes up. Truth be told, Kate could probably lead better than Eli. As for Cassie, I always saw her as older than 14.

[RockSP]

As for Cassie, I always saw her as older than 14.

She's 14, but really she shouldn't even be that old. Before Young Avengers she was a pre-teen.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, she was around Franklin Richards' age, I think.
Truth be told, Kate could probably lead better than Eli.
I personally think Kate is leading the team when it really matters. She's just doing it in a way that Eli still thinks he's in charge. She manipulated him into talking to Cassie pretty easily in the last YAP one-shot, for example.

[Hans]

I personally think Kate is leading the team when it really matters. She's just doing it in a way that Eli still thinks he's in charge. She manipulated him into talking to Cassie pretty easily in the last YAP one-shot, for example.

Yeah, that's a pretty good description of her role on the team. I can't wait to see what Fraction does with her.

Now that I think about it, though, I could see a situation where Eli realizes Kate's strengths and concedes official leadership to her. I think he's grown enough to be capable of that.

[TheCorpulent1]

I could see that too, but I think it's likelier that Eli will grow to be a better leader himself and Kate will just let him take the reins completely. I think Kate wants Eli to lead, she just doesn't think he's quite up to it just yet.

[Hans]

Probably. Any word on an actual Young Avengers series starting up again?

[spark627]

At one of the conventions about 2 weeks ago they said something was coming from Heinberg and they would announce it soon. I can't imagine it is anything besides YA

[Anubis]

They should let Fraction take over.

[TheCorpulent1]

I would be down with that.

[Anubis]

Of course you would.

[TheCorpulent1]

Denny Crane!

[Anubis]

Denny Crane.

[moraldeficiency]

Denny Crane?

[Anubis]

Denny.Crane.

[moraldeficiency]

デニスクレーン!!!

[Anubis]

Кран Denny.

[CaptainCanada]

She's 14, but really she shouldn't even be that old. Before Young Avengers she was a pre-teen.
Her age was tinkered with a bit over the years; she was eight when she debuted, and during the DeFalco FF years she was approaching her current age; in the late 90s through early 00s, in things like Johns' Avengers, they kind of made her a bit younger. If you go by the loose "4 years equal 1 year" rule, her age is basically right on.

[spideyboy_1111]

i always got the vibe teddy and billy were the same age... bid dont think billy and tommy are 15 at all.. they definately dont act it

i personally think it goes

Kate-18 (or very close to it)
Teddy-16-17
Billy-16
Tommy-16
Eli-16 or 15-16
-Cassie-14

[TheCorpulent1]

Do people really act that differently at 16 than they do at 15?

[Anubis]

No. Hell, 15 and 16 ain't much different than 20-24. It all depends on the person. I know a 14 year old that's more responsible than her 45 year old mother.

[TheCorpulent1]

Exactly. Which, really, makes this whole age discussion moot in the first place.

[moraldeficiency]

Please, when I was 15 I was just a kid, but by 16 I was completely prepared to lead a superhero team against Kang the Conquerer.

[TheCorpulent1]

At least by 16 you could legally run him over with a car.

[moraldeficiency]

I think you just wrote a far better ending for that conflict.

[TheCorpulent1]

It occurred to me as I was typing. Screw Heinberg's late ass, Marvel. Hire me.

[Dread]

It occurred to me as I was typing. Screw Heinberg's late ass, Marvel. Hire me.

Or Me! That way Stat from the wonky Crazy 8 could join and Wonder Man would have a "kid version-sorta" there.

On a related topic, which writer from the mini so far do you think would be best in terms of an ongoing, in terms of quality and not being swamped?

[CaptainCanada]

Of the five we've seen, Cornell gets my vote, although I expect Fraction's work will be good enough to force a tie, at minimum.

[TheCorpulent1]

I enjoyed Patriot's one-shot most so far, but I don't think he'd be that great on a long-term Young Avengers stint.

[CaptainCanada]

I liked Brubaker's story too, but this series, as a long-term project, doesn't really strike me as Brubaker's sort of thing.

[Dread]

Of the five we've seen, Cornell gets my vote, although I expect Fraction's work will be good enough to force a tie, at minimum.

Yeah. Fraction's rarely disappointed.

I enjoyed Patriot's one-shot most so far, but I don't think he'd be that great on a long-term Young Avengers stint.

I liked Brubaker's story too, but this series, as a long-term project, doesn't really strike me as Brubaker's sort of thing.

That was what I meant by the "not being swamped" category. Brubaker's probably tapped out at this rate, although he just got off co-writing IRON FIST. But, yeah, Brubaker, Cornell, and Fraction may be the cream of the crop.

Now that Todd Nauck is being wasted on AMERICAN DREAM, I wouldn't mind seeing him draw young heroes for Marvel here. ;)

[Arkady Rossovich]

I'm starting to think that another writer being on YA Vol.2 would not be such a bad idea,Heinberg would object..but I doubt it would matter. It's been a long time,and it would be nice for things to get rolling again.

[Dread]

I'm starting to think that another writer being on YA Vol.2 would not be such a bad idea,Heinberg would object..but I doubt it would matter. It's been a long time,and it would be nice for things to get rolling again.

Frankly, if Heinberg objected, if Marvel had any balls, they'd tell him to put up or shut up.

But they don't. They suck up to Hollywood types worse than nerds suck up to cheerleaders.

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't see how Heinberg would object unless he's a complete ***hole. The company controls the characters.

[Dread]

I can't see how Heinberg would object unless he's a complete ***hole. The company controls the characters.

Exactly.

I mean if he really wanted to be involved, he could take an hour or so on his lunch break to type out a guideline, fax it over to Marvel and get a "co-plotter" credit before going back to his "day job". :p

Plus, while 12 issues is only a year's worth of stories (and an annual), he wrote more of his character's stories than McKeever did for GRAVITY.

[spideyboy_1111]

well i've talked with the Hein before about that... he didn't object to it passing on to someone else... infact he said "he doesn't know what marvel wants at the moment" soo.. he's not the one holding it back.. most likely marvel just wants him to do it. Hein has no problem with another talented writer working on it (least thats what i've got from our convo)

[TheCorpulent1]

That's good. I wish Marvel would listen to him and tap Zeb Wells or someone.

[spark627]

Has there been any YA news from WWC? I thought I read that someone said Allan was writing something with Scarlet Witch. I doubt Marvel would have him write anything besides YA...?

[CaptainCanada]

*dusts off*

Joey Q suggests there's been some actual movement on this file: (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=422429789)
2) Writer Allan Heinberg and artist Jim Cheung are already hard at work on a project that heavily involves the Young Avengers that we're not ready to tell you about yet. But until we are ready, I expect the team will be turning up around the Marvel Universe as the situation demands.

3) We'll see Kang next in the Allan Heinberg project we're not ready to tell you more about just yet.

[Anubis]

Aw geez.

[The Geek Vault]

hopefully it's good

[Kevin]

hopefully it's not another mini...

[Dread]

Hopefully we get it out before the year 2050. :rolleyes:

[KangConquers]

YES KANG RETURNS!!!! I've been waiting for this moment for 3 years!

[The Geek Vault]

YES KANG RETURNS!!!! I've been waiting for this moment for 3 years!
hahaha you would

[spark627]

*dusts off*

Joey Q suggests there's been some actual movement on this file: (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=422429789)

Heavily involves the YA? Doesn't really sound like Vol 2....hmm

[Colossal Spoons]

Fantastic :up:

[Dread]

The question is, if Heinberg & Cheung reunite for a YA comic, even if it is only a mini, will the sales rebound? Because they've fallen about 50% over the years, and that's a generous figure.

If they don't, then the delay may have truly been dire for the franchise. Still, even as a B-List franchise, it at least always sells within the Top 80 or better, which is more than some comics can say. Plus, the editorial landscape is committed to it.

[Anubis]

Until it's not profitable anymore.

[Dread]

Until it's not profitable anymore.

There's that, yeah.

[CaptainCanada]

*Dusts off again*

According to Joey Q's latest MySpace interview (he's back to doing them himself), Allan Heinberg actually handed in some actual script. Excerpted (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=436250851):
CAPTION (WICCAN): In the beginning, nobody really knew what to make of us.

CAPTION (WICCAN): Seven super-powered Avengers fanboys—and girls—who had only come together because the Avengers had fallen apart.

CAPTION (WICCAN): Since then we've fought KANG THE CONQUEROR -- and the KREE and SKRULL armies. We've been on both sides of a superhero CIVIL WAR -- and somehow survived the SECRET INVASION of Earth.

CAPTION (WICCAN): So you'd think maybe the Avengers would learn to TRUST us by now...

CAPTION (WICCAN): ... but we're still struggling to prove we're worthy of calling ourselves YOUNG AVENGERS

[TheCorpulent1]

Only they're kinda not. Just about all the important people have accepted the Young Avengers at this point--Captain America (both of them), Nick Fury, Hawkeye, Iron Man (well, he's accepted some of them, anyway), etc.

[CaptainCanada]

It's kind of hilarious how much the MU has changed since these kids last had a series.

[TheCorpulent1]

4 years is a long time in comics. Actually, it'll probably be closer to 5 years (at least) by the time this sees print. I'm sure Heinberg won't care that they're a fully established, respected superhero team at this point, though.

[spideyboy_1111]

4 years is a long time in comics. Actually, it'll probably be closer to 5 years (at least) by the time this sees print. I'm sure Heinberg won't care that they're a fully established, respected superhero team at this point, though.

There respected, but they've only been used imo because they've had to be. They've had very little character development in terms of there older peers and what they think of them. with SI and CW they pretty much were thrusted into battle. I'm sure when things calm down, people like ironman will still want them to lay off a bit and have some what of a childhood.

[KangConquers]

It's kind of hilarious how much the MU has changed since these kids last had a series.

Thank God their enemy is absolutely uneffected by current events; Kang doesn't care what's happened in the world around them. So they can still basically do the originally planned sequel of a young Kang starting a Young Masters of Evil.

[Dread]

Dan Slott in SHE-HULK claimed that alternate reality versions of the YA joined the Initiative, so only Stature joined that team. But, I do agree; they are more accepted to a degree than they were before. Stature has been part of the Initiative for a while now. And while the rest are unregistered and considered "retired" officially, they are battling alongside the Avengers right now against the Skrulls. And yeah, Nick Fury is aware of them.

I still don't think Iron Man likes them a whole lot. A lot HAS happened since they had a series, but I sincerely doubt the editors are going to dare tell Heinberg how "his babies" have changed in the last 4-5 years. They'll be desperate for however many scripts he hands in and if Heinberg actually works with the continuity, which he should, then it's because he wanted to.

He's a Hollywood type, and Marvel always bends over backwards like the nerds who pine to be accepted by the same jocks who use them for test answers and lunch money before forgetting they exist, rather than stand up for their audience and make sure these folks hand in scripts or are cohesive with the rest of the line. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

[Mogwai]

man, i miss this series...

[spectre]

If anybody's interested I'm writing a fan-fic, "Young Avengers: Time to Change." I figured since Marvel's not doing much with the series I figured I'd give it a shot. It's still a work in progress.

here it is...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=311347

[Colossal Spoons]

man, i miss this series...

Yeah, dude

[SLVRSR4]

He's a Hollywood type, and Marvel always bends over backwards like the nerds who pine to be accepted by the same jocks who use them for test answers and lunch money before forgetting they exist, rather than stand up for their audience and make sure these folks hand in scripts or are cohesive with the rest of the line. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.[/quote]

This hurts the soul. Read through the first issues and remember someone saying they thought Patriot might be mexican, while he had the mask on.:o

[CaptainCanada]

Dark Reign: Young Avengers (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6809.NYCC_~apos~09~colon~_Dark_Reign~ colon~_Young_Avengers) miniseries by Paul Cornell and Mark Brooks, the team behind Young Avengers Presents #4 (Vision spotlight).

Fitting, giving the times, to pit the team against the Young Masters of Evil (calling themselves the Young Avenger). They seem to be mixedly inspired by the original Masters and the YA lineup:

Melter = Melter/Eli
Enchantress = Enchantress/Kate & Billy
Big Zero = 12th Baron Zemo/Cassie
Egghead = Vision
Coat of Arms = Black Knight/Kate
Executioner = Executioner/?

No speedster for Tommy (and only six members, on top of that).

I'm glad they're doing a full team story; I think, overall, YAP would have been better if they'd just had one creative team do a six-issue story about the whole group together.

[Dread]

The notion of a Young Masters of Evil has been kicked around editorially since Heinberg was writing it; it seems that the company may be moving ahead with long term ideas they had, just not committing to an ongoing at $3 an issue anymore.

It will be interesting seeing the "whole" YA team, since Vision and Stature are also supposedly going to be a part of the Mighty Avengers team. Note this is the same Marvel that told Slott that Beast couldn't be in two books at once.

The only niggle is that it would have been fun to throw in that Wrecking Crew kid from RUNAWAYS vol. 2 #1. The kid with the shovel. That might have been fun. But, Cornell probably just wanted to invent a bunch of kids, which is fine.

Looks good so far.

[spideyboy_1111]

Dark Reign: Young Avengers (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6809.NYCC_~apos~09~colon~_Dark_Reign~ colon~_Young_Avengers) miniseries by Paul Cornell and Mark Brooks, the team behind Young Avengers Presents #4 (Vision spotlight).

Fitting, giving the times, to pit the team against the Young Masters of Evil (calling themselves the Young Avenger). They seem to be mixedly inspired by the original Masters and the YA lineup:

Melter = Melter/Eli
Enchantress = Enchantress/Kate & Billy
Big Zero = 12th Baron Zemo/Cassie
Egghead = Vision
Coat of Arms = Black Knight/Kate
Executioner = Executioner/?

No speedster for Tommy (and only six members, on top of that).

I'm glad they're doing a full team story; I think, overall, YAP would have been better if they'd just had one creative team do a six-issue story about the whole group together.

very interesting

to me though, it goes...

Melter = Hulking/Speed (both not the leader, but power wise i think he makes a good villain for them (theres also the billy/teddy and melter/enchantress parallel)
Enchantress = Billy
Big Zero = Cassie
Egghead = Vision
Coat of Arms = Kate
Executioner = its hard to say, but kate and patriot fit him best

[Colossal Spoons]

I'll buy it :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Interesting concept. I look forward to it. Hopefully it sells well and Cornell can take over for Heinberg's useless ass as long-term YA writer. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

What's sad is that I'd rather see my YAs written poorly than not at all

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, too bad for you 'cause Cornell will probably write them well. :oldrazz:

[Dread]

Yeah, Cornell is writing CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI-13 well and his 4th issue of YA PRESENTS was pretty good. Not as good as the Brubaker or Fraction issues, but better than the Reed and Grevioux issues.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm not picky anymore

[CaptainCanada]

Marvel has just greenlit a new YA series by Daniel Way and Rob Liefeld.:up:

[TheCorpulent1]

What if the new writer had Molly join the Young Avengers?

EDIT: Oh snap, CaptainCanada's taunting of Spoons totally rocked mine. :(

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm going to die guys :(

[TheCorpulent1]

Aw. Make sure I get an invitation the wake. :up:

[Dread]

I'm going to die guys :(

Bummer. We need all, like, 5 Colossus fanboys that exist if the metal guy is ever going to do something decent.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, good luck with that, guys. Better trade up to Hercules or the Hulk. :oldrazz:

[Dread]

I'm onto INCREDIBLE HERCULES. :p

Maybe Colossus would stop being "a boring moper" if Marvel stopped killing anyone and everyone he loves.

Or he has rebound sex with Psylocke or something.

[TheCorpulent1]

Illyana needs to come back and they need to have a mini-series where she and Piotr have to fight popular Russian folk/fairy tale characters. Call it Colossus and Magik in the Mysterious Land of Buyan or something. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Bummer. We need all, like, 5 Colossus fanboys that exist if the metal guy is ever going to do something decent.

I skimmed X-MenvsHulk in the shop today. Pete was extra-ineffective against Mean&Green :down:

Yeah, good luck with that, guys. Better trade up to Hercules or the Hulk. :oldrazz:

Red Hulk?

I'm onto INCREDIBLE HERCULES. :p

Maybe Colossus would stop being "a boring moper" if Marvel stopped killing anyone and everyone he loves.

Or he has rebound sex with Psylocke or something.

He'll have just gotten over Kitty when that big bullet will come back with an evil Kitty inside :(

[Colossal Spoons]

Illyana needs to come back and they need to have a mini-series where she and Piotr have to fight popular Russian folk/fairy tale characters.

Illyana's being quite stubborn in X-Infernus right now :whatever:

[Dread]

Illyana needs to come back and they need to have a mini-series where she and Piotr have to fight popular Russian folk/fairy tale characters. Call it Colossus and Magik in the Mysterious Land of Buyan or something. :up:

Did anyone "demand" Illyana back? Seriously?

Anyway, there are no popular Russian mystical creatures. Unless you count RULK beating all those Commie superhumans way back.

I skimmed X-MenvsHulk in the shop today. Pete was extra-ineffective against Mean&Green :down:

He'll have just gotten over Kitty when that big bullet will come back with an evil Kitty inside :(

The inner geek in me would have found it cool if Nova had found Kitty and somehow managed to revive her.

Funny story; I flipped through X-MEN VS. HULK too and it didn't thrill me, especially not for $4. So on the shelf it stayed. Claremont's BIG HERO 6 #5 from Jan. may end up being the first mainstream Marvel superhero title to not sell within the Top 300. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

The Baba Yaga is a pretty well known Russian folk character. She's also a heinous b**** who would make as great a villain for Colossus and Magik as she has for the Fables cast and Hellboy.
Illyana's being quite stubborn in X-Infernus right now :whatever:
I know. She needs to get past this super-evil phase. But still, in another year, maybe: Colossus and Magik in the Mysterious Land of Buyan. Cebulski could write it. I'm sure he'd love researching Russian folklore and myth.

[Dread]

I know. She needs to get past this super-evil phase. But still, in another year, maybe: Colossus and Magik in the Mysterious Land of Buyan. Cebulski could write it. I'm sure he'd love researching Russian folklore and myth.

But, no one will read it, so it won't matter.

Colossus needs to rule Breakworld and join WAR OF KINGS or something. :p

[Colossal Spoons]

My ideal Russian book: Colossus, Magik, the Winter Guard, and Omega Red keeping Russia safe. OR would be on the team kind of like how Sabretooth was on Carey's X-Men. Can't turn your back on him for too long but will fight when he needs to :up:

[Kevin]

Not. Interested.

[Dread]

My ideal Russian book: Colossus, Magik, the Winter Guard, and Omega Red keeping Russia safe. OR would be on the team kind of like how Sabretooth was on Carey's X-Men. Can't turn your back on him for too long but will fight when he needs to :up:

Shouldn't Colossus be fighting Omega Red? It always behooved me that the 90's cartoon was the first place where someone figured that out.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wolverine stole OR as one of his own villains :whatever:

[TheCorpulent1]

Carbonite vs. adamantium trumps national pride.

[Colossal Spoons]

Glad Marvel got over it's metal fetish. After creating Cyber, I bet they had to go out for a smoke :o

[Vanguard07]

I actually liked the Colossus vs Hulk fight in that one shot. It was pretty well done. My only complaint is that the writer seemed to forget that Pete doesnt need to breathe when he's armored up but that was a minor thing.

So regarding Young Avengers... is anything even happening with them in the future. I never got into the title before and i'm usually not too big on digging up past issues of stuff.

Basically when am I gonna get another chance to get to know the YA?

[bryanss3]

from Newsarama NYCC dark reign panel

Dark Reign: Young Avengers is a new five-issue mini-series beginning in May that will have focus on what the young heroes do when the Dark Avengers and New Avengers are at odds -- because they are at odds with a new band of young people who steal their name. It will be written by Paul Cornell with art by Mark Brooks.

Cornell said the mini-series will be about superheroes that live in New York. A slide showed heroes named Enchantress, Egghead, Coast of Arms, Executioner Melter, and Dig Zero. They have grabbed the Young Avengers name during Dark Reign. And Eli and the rest of the Young Avengers are put into exactly the same position that the New Avengers were put into when the Dark Avengers took their name. "I'm loving it," the British writer said to cheers.

[Vanguard07]

That sounds interesting. I'll give it a shot.

Haha coast of arms sounds hilariouls. Like hands across america for fishermen or something.

Am I to assume you meant Coat?

[chamber-music]

Cornell+ YA= I'm so getting this.

[TheCorpulent1]

from Newsarama NYCC dark reign panel

Dark Reign: Young Avengers is a new five-issue mini-series beginning in May that will have focus on what the young heroes do when the Dark Avengers and New Avengers are at odds -- because they are at odds with a new band of young people who steal their name. It will be written by Paul Cornell with art by Mark Brooks.

Cornell said the mini-series will be about superheroes that live in New York. A slide showed heroes named Enchantress, Egghead, Coast of Arms, Executioner Melter, and Dig Zero. They have grabbed the Young Avengers name during Dark Reign. And Eli and the rest of the Young Avengers are put into exactly the same position that the New Avengers were put into when the Dark Avengers took their name. "I'm loving it," the British writer said to cheers.
Haven't the Dark Avengers technically stolen the Mighty Avengers' name? They were the official Avengers team. The New Avengers haven't technically been the Avenges in any public or official capacity since Civil War.

[Dread]

I actually liked the Colossus vs Hulk fight in that one shot. It was pretty well done. My only complaint is that the writer seemed to forget that Pete doesnt need to breathe when he's armored up but that was a minor thing.

So regarding Young Avengers... is anything even happening with them in the future. I never got into the title before and i'm usually not too big on digging up past issues of stuff.

Basically when am I gonna get another chance to get to know the YA?

The "writer" of X-MEN VS. HULK was Chris Claremont, the guy who basically wrote in a lot of Colossus' powers, like his not needing to breathe and even his immunity to some black magics. But, the guy probably forgets stuff now.

A young Masters of Evil was inevitable. I am willing to see how it goes, and am glad Mark Brooks is aboard for art. I have faith in Cornell. Plus, it will increase his profile in Marvel while everyone is denying rumors of CAPTAIN BRITAIN'S cancellation.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm going to die guys :( Can I go with you?

[TheCorpulent1]

The "writer" of X-MEN VS. HULK was Chris Claremont, the guy who basically wrote in a lot of Colossus' powers, like his not needing to breathe and even his immunity to some black magics. But, the guy probably forgets stuff now.

A young Masters of Evil was inevitable. I am willing to see how it goes, and am glad Mark Brooks is aboard for art. I have faith in Cornell. Plus, it will increase his profile in Marvel while everyone is denying rumors of CAPTAIN BRITAIN'S cancellation.
It's been a long time coming. We have tons of teenage heroes but, really, we have almost no teenage villains. They're always either bumped up to the adult leagues or forgotten. The only one I can even remember off the top of my head besides Marvel Boy is the son of one of the Wrecking Crew guys, and he appeared for, what, 3 pages in a Runaways comic?

[Dread]

It's been a long time coming. We have tons of teenage heroes but, really, we have almost no teenage villains. They're always either bumped up to the adult leagues or forgotten. The only one I can even remember off the top of my head besides Marvel Boy is the son of one of the Wrecking Crew guys, and he appeared for, what, 3 pages in a Runaways comic?

Gravity also had a fire-themed villain who was around his age. But, yeah, he last popped up in BEYOND! #1 for a few pages.

The idea of adult heroes pummeling teen villains probably seems too controversial.

But, yeah, Heinberg was taking about a Young MOE years ago and I am glad they are finally moving on with some of those long term goals.

[Colossal Spoons]

I actually liked the Colossus vs Hulk fight in that one shot. It was pretty well done. My only complaint is that the writer seemed to forget that Pete doesnt need to breathe when he's armored up but that was a minor thing.


Yeah, he could have sat in that quicksand all day :o

Can I go with you?

Sure. There's room in the coffin if we lie head to toe :up:

[Vanguard07]

Gravity also had a fire-themed villain who was around his age. But, yeah, he last popped up in BEYOND! #1 for a few pages.

The idea of adult heroes pummeling teen villains probably seems too controversial.

But, yeah, Heinberg was taking about a Young MOE years ago and I am glad they are finally moving on with some of those long term goals.


I dont know about you but to me, controversial or not, the idea of adult heroes pummeling teen villains is f***ing HILARIOUS!

[spideyboy_1111]

Gravity also had a fire-themed villain who was around his age. But, yeah, he last popped up in BEYOND! #1 for a few pages.

The idea of adult heroes pummeling teen villains probably seems too controversial.

But, yeah, Heinberg was taking about a Young MOE years ago and I am glad they are finally moving on with some of those long term goals.

i don't know if its just me, but these new MOE seem a lil lack luster, i wonder if there brand new ideas? or if alot of them come from heinbergs ideas. For some reason i feel like he could have done more interesting MOE villains

[Dread]

I dont know about you but to me, controversial or not, the idea of adult heroes pummeling teen villains is f***ing HILARIOUS!

Yeah, but we're probably not editors. They tend to like sticking things in "categories". Teen villains for teen teams, adult villains for adult teams, etc.

Are you dense? Are you retarded or something? It's the god-damned pigeon-holing. ;)

(Frank Miller ref)

[TheCorpulent1]

(Frank Miller ref)
Thanks, we never would've gotten that. ;)

[bryanss3]

I thought it was a Batman ref

[CaptainCanada]

Interview with Mark Brooks (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020920-Brooks-Young-Masters.html) about the character designs for the 'Young Masters'.

The most interesting part:
NRAMA: Enchantress?

MB: Enchantress is your standard Asgardian goddess mixed with Paris Hilton. She's very sexual. And we come to find out in the book that Enchantress and Melter are lovers.

NRAMA: And what are her powers?

MB: You'll have to wait to see that. But she is the Asgardian god Enchantress. She's the only one on the team that has a past in the Marvel Universe that people could look up. Everyone else is new, and you'll kind of learn more about them as time goes on. And you'll learn where she's been and what's been going on with her.

I'm guessing the conceit here is that she came back mixed up after Ragnarok, which is something that the Thor book itself had Loki suggest as a guise, but hasn't actually depicted (everybody's basically like they used to be).

[TheCorpulent1]

Blurgh, really? She's the actual Enchantress? :(

We've seen a couple other characters come back slightly different. Heimdall can peer into people's souls now, enhancing his senses to the realm of supernatural perception. Um... okay, I guess that's pretty much it.

Oh, maybe the Enchantress' f***ed up return in this case isn't her return from Ragnarok, it's her return from attempting to restore Skurge at the cost of all reality by re-growing him from the World Tree. I don't think we saw what happened to her after that.

[Harlekin]

Why even act like the allegiance of the Young Masters will be a secret? First they'll fight, then they'll end up walking the line.

[TheCorpulent1]

Whatever happens to them, I hope the Enchantress comes to her senses and grows back up pretty soon. "Paris Hilton" is never a good descriptor for any character.

[RockSP]

We've seen a couple other characters come back slightly different. Heimdall can peer into people's souls now, enhancing his senses to the realm of supernatural perception. Um... okay, I guess that's pretty much it.

Fandral has superspeed now. Or he did for one issue at least.

[Harlekin]

Whatever happens to them, I hope the Enchantress comes to her senses and grows back up pretty soon. "Paris Hilton" is never a good descriptor for any character.
Yeah, I know. I facepalmed when Millar described the Torch as a male Paris.

[TheCorpulent1]

Fandral has superspeed now. Or he did for one issue at least.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. But that mostly just made me miss Thialfi. :(

[Anubis]

Blurgh, really? She's the actual Enchantress? :(

We've seen a couple other characters come back slightly different. Heimdall can peer into people's souls now, enhancing his senses to the realm of supernatural perception. Um... okay, I guess that's pretty much it.




What's his name's got super speed now. The pretty boy from the warriors three.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thanks. Little late to the party, though, chief:
Fandral has superspeed now. Or he did for one issue at least.
:oldrazz:

Yeah, I just gloated on Rock's behalf. What? :o

[RAMORE]

I was Surfing DA and came upon these designs:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2rm1etk.jpg
I like the design especially eggheads but I bet the book will be shortlived but you never know.

Artist's Comments
Marvel Comics is relaunching Young Avengers in May to coincide with the Dark Reign story line going on throughout the Marvel universe. Paul Cornell will be writing it with me on art chores and will introduce a new group of superpowered people called the Young Masters.
I got the character descriptions from Paul and had to do the visual designs before starting issue #1. Th is what I came up with and Marvel approved so you will start seeing these new characters in the pages of Young Avengers starting in May. Until then I will continue updating DA with more images as well as sneak peeks of upcoming covers and some behind the scene stuff. if you want to read more about the book click the link to Marvel's website and read the article- [link]

Hope you dig!
-Mark




So I find this on Marvel:
NYCC '09: Dark Reign: Young Avengers
The Young Avengers discover a world after Osborn in DARK REIGN: YOUNG AVENGERS

Posted: 2009-02-06 Updated: 2009-02-11 10:44:24

With H.A.M.M.E.R. up and running and his own team of Avengers being given a hero's welcome, Norman Osborn has come to believe there's nothing he cannot command, no one's life he cannot mold.

The Young Avengers find out in the limited series DARK REIGN: YOUNG AVENGERS, written by Paul Cornell and drawn by Mark Brooks, just how right he may be. The question of how much he can truly control provides the catalyst for the series.

"They're suspicious of Osborn, but they don't really know the details," states Cornell of the Avengers' young protégés. "They're about to become dragged down into them, and find out more about who they are and what they stand for as a result.

"This is a ride through funhouse mirrors for them, as they encounter a new team of Young Avengers. [Patriot is] very certain that the name belongs to them, but the others aren't so sure. And how can anyone decide on that sort of stuff, anyway?"


Character
designs by
Mark Brooks

These new Young Avengers represent a cracked mirror version of the team just as the "Dark" Avengers warp the whole Avengers tradition.

As Cornell puts it, "They hang out at their invisible mansion in Central Park and 'fight crime'. Or fight crime. Depending on who you ask."

From Cornell, the pretender Young Avengers lineup consists of…

The Melter: "A kid who can melt anything with a gesture, the leader of the team but is very unsure of himself and his powers."
The Enchantress: "His girlfriend, sort of, who claims she's from Asgard but who can't handle Asgardian speech patterns and is frighteningly offhand with her magic."
The Executioner: "An urban vigilante who kills the scum of the streets, exactly, exactly, exactly like the Punisher."
Big Zero: "A white power skinhead girl who can grow to giant size or shrink to microscopic and is raising an army in the Microverse to topple the federal government."
Coat of Arms: "A cutting edge artist with a surreal coat who put the team together to participate in 'scenes' like foiling a bank raid of battling another hero team."
Egghead: "Their cracked android, who wants to examine the human condition intimately, with livers in his hands, and shares Big Zero's mattress."

The man bringing these poseur heroes to four color life will be artist Mark Brooks. This limited series represents a reunion for its creators, as worked together on YOUNG AVENGERS PRESENTS #4: THE VISION in April of last year. For both of them, it has proven a happy team-up.

"Paul is an amazing writer and really knows how to get the visuals across in his script," says Brooks. "It's rare that an entire issue is effortless in visualizing each panel before it's drawn but Paul seems to be able to do with every page. I might be spoiled after this."

"I said onstage at [a convention] Dublin that I really wanted to work with [Mark Brooks] again," remarks Cornell. "There's something about his work that's very satisfying to the eye, a touch of the Buscemas there, and I can think of no higher praise."


DARK REIGN:
YOUNG
AVENGERS
preview art by
Mark Brooks

Along with Cornell and Brooks reuniting, so too do the Young Avengers.

"The team is whole again," Cornell confirms, "Working together against the Skrulls and the new atmosphere under Osborn [has] made that the natural order of things. These guys always wanted to be friends."

"I love stories that focus [on] a few select characters out of a larger group because it allows the reader to see a little deeper into the psyche and learn things they might not have known before," Brooks admits, "Still though, drawing a large cast always keeps things interesting. Just when you get bored drawing 'character X,' the scene changes and you have a whole new group to focus on. Variety is the spice of life and this book is no exception."

While both creators thrill to having a chance to work with the Young Avengers again, the tone of the book will fit in with the impending sense of dread that "Dark Reign" has brought to the Marvel Universe.

"This is hopefully a very dark, troubling series, illuminated by the light of the [Young Avengers] themselves," Cornell comments.

Still, amongst the darkness readers should find moments of undeniable dark comedy to sink their teeth into. Or, as Brooks puts it:

"Promiscuous gods, heavily armed vigilantes, fee fi fo fum, and the melting elderly. Where do I start!?"

[Harlekin]

I believe there's already a thread on this somewhere.

[moraldeficiency]

They'll eventually be the young masters of evil and those designs look kick ass. I normally prefer the less spandex look.

[Mr. Green]

The Enchantress is hundreds, if not thousands, of years old. How is she young?

And why the hell would you call yourself evil? Even Hitler didn't do that.

[moraldeficiency]

I would, I'd be Evil McEvilson if I was a villian (middle name Badass). The enchantress is apparently changed in this incarnation or something.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Enchantress is hundreds, if not thousands, of years old. How is she young?

And why the hell would you call yourself evil? Even Hitler didn't do that.
There's been talk of the Enchantress being mentally f***ed up, which, I imagine, is why she's even hanging out with these losers in the first place.

[Brainiac 8]

You'd think she would be way above these guys in her mind...I also don't see her sleeping with one of them. I'm sure he's quite happy about it...but still.

[moraldeficiency]

hey, hey, hey, that melter guy's wearing a spider-man t-shirt. If that's gonna be his villian uniform that's all sorts of badass.

[Brainiac 8]

It's probably a Venom as Spider-Man shirt. :p

[TheCorpulent1]

You'd think she would be way above these guys in her mind...I also don't see her sleeping with one of them. I'm sure he's quite happy about it...but still.
I actually could see the Enchantress sleeping with anyone. I mean, she loves sex and she can't get any diseases, so why not?

[Brainiac 8]

Maybe she likes his virility.

[moraldeficiency]

It's probably a Venom as Spider-Man shirt. :p

Clearly a red and blue, and I think that's awesome. Image lex luthor facing off against superman while wearing a batman t-shirt, it instantly makes the story 39.7% better.

[TheCorpulent1]

Good thing it's not a Cap shirt. Patriot would f*** that dude up.

[moraldeficiency]

Be extra funny if he was a spider-man fan like that upgrade guy is (I forget his name).

[TheCorpulent1]

Upgrade guy?

[moraldeficiency]

Just checked his name is overdrive, he pimps out rides (seriously, that's his power) and he's a big spider-man fan which makes their fights much more amusing (it's pretty much the only saving grace to the character, after he gets away he brags about getting his ass kicked by spider-man).

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, from the Spider-Man comics. No wonder I never heard of him.

[RAMORE]

Sorry I was looking for a thread didn't see one that I thought would apply since you know Dark avengers got it's own thread so I thought this should too.


The character i'm WTH about is this one:
Big Zero: "A white power skinhead girl who can grow to giant size or shrink to microscopic and is raising an army in the Microverse to topple the federal government."

So she's a skin head fighting crime while plotting to overthrow the government she works for all while sleeping with robot egghead:confused:

[RAMORE]

By the way Corp did you get my PM?

[TheCorpulent1]

I did. I haven't read it yet because I forgot when I got home last night. :o

[RAMORE]

Sokay it's pretty long:D

[The Geek Vault]

Where are you guys getting the info on these Dark Young Avengers?

[TheCorpulent1]

Various comic news websites. There's also a post one page back that has a bunch of information.

[Colossal Spoons]

Billy is going to be seriously outclassed if Enchantress is to be his nemesis. Unless, of course he's been practicing his magic like I've been wishing for ALL ALONG! :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Supposedly, he's one of the most powerful mages evarr or something now. Kind of lame that both he and Niko got bumped up to such high power levels so early, but whatev.

[Colossal Spoons]

Oh, well that is dumb. Especially Niko, that cow is rapidly running out of words. Billy won't get any props from me until he learns some non-verbal spells :o

[TheCorpulent1]

"Cow"? What are you, Bendis' shoddy impression of Dr. Doom?

[Anubis]

It's fast becoming the best insult to throw at a woman who wont sleep with you.

[The Geek Vault]

Can someone link one of the websites?

[Anubis]

Interview with Mark Brooks (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020920-Brooks-Young-Masters.html) about the character designs for the 'Young Masters'.

The most interesting part:

I'm guessing the conceit here is that she came back mixed up after Ragnarok, which is something that the Thor book itself had Loki suggest as a guise, but hasn't actually depicted (everybody's basically like they used to be).

here you go.

[Kevin]

Oh, well that is dumb. Especially Niko, that cow is rapidly running out of words. Billy won't get any props from me until he learns some non-verbal spells :o
Oh yeah. I forgot that was her power. I hate the runaways now.

[The Geek Vault]

Oh, well that is dumb. Especially Niko, that cow is rapidly running out of words. Billy won't get any props from me until he learns some non-verbal spells :o
really? I always liked that that's how his spell casting works.

[RAMORE]

Cover to Dark Young Avengers#1
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ntzfon.jpg

[RAMORE]

Did anybody else think this was weird?

Sorry I was looking for a thread didn't see one that I thought would apply since you know Dark avengers got it's own thread so I thought this should too.


The character i'm WTH about is this one:
Big Zero: "A white power skinhead girl who can grow to giant size or shrink to microscopic and is raising an army in the Microverse to topple the federal government."

So she's a skin head fighting crime while plotting to overthrow the government she works for all while sleeping with robot egghead:confused: