Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[supermarvelman]

Wait, are they meeting up or something?


No, but I would really like to see all 3 of these teams meet.

Hellion
Rockslide
Surge
Mercury
X-23
Dust
Elixir
Anole
Prodigy

Vision
Patriot
Hulkling
Wiccan
Speed
Hawkeye
Stature

Nico
Chase
Old Lace
Molly
Victor
Xavin

This would be one hell of a powerful team-up, they would have to take on somebody very very powerful, it would be awesome.

[supermarvelman]

I still say Santo would get his ass handed to him, and any other outcome would be bull.

I dont think he would get his ass handed to him, but I dont think he would be the victor either.

[Kevin]

I dont think he would get his ass handed to him, but I dont think he would be the victor either.
His stupidity alone would cause him to lose.

[Darthphere]

My favorite Young Avengers are Hulking, Patriot, Wiccan, Iron Lad, Hawkeye, Stature and Speed.

[Kevin]

...that's the whole team. Minus Vee 2.0

[Darthphere]

Yeah.

[LouFerignoDemon]

No, but I would really like to see all 3 of these teams meet.

Hellion
Rockslide
Surge
Mercury
X-23
Dust
Elixir
Anole
Prodigy

Vision
Patriot
Hulkling
Wiccan
Speed
Hawkeye
Stature

Nico
Chase
Old Lace
Molly
Victor
Xavin

This would be one hell of a powerful team-up, they would have to take on somebody very very powerful, it would be awesome.


And yet, the Hulk would probably still crush them.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah.

Didn't you also hate the idea of Vision going kid?

[Darthphere]

Didn't you also hate the idea of Vision going kid?

Not really.

[supermarvelman]

And yet, the Hulk would probably still crush them.

He probably would.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not really.


I must be thinking Harlekin then.

[The Geek Vault]

My favorite Young Avenger would probably be Hulkling followed by Wiccan. I want to see a Black Panther YA (again with my coal tiger idea). Also with this new young Masters of Evil, who were the masters of evil originally. I'd love to see a Young Black Knight.

[Colossal Spoons]

No, but I would really like to see all 3 of these teams meet.

Hellion
Rockslide
Surge
Mercury
X-23
Dust
Elixir
Anole
Prodigy

Vision
Patriot
Hulkling
Wiccan
Speed
Hawkeye
Stature

Nico
Chase
Old Lace
Molly
Victor
Xavin

This would be one hell of a powerful team-up, they would have to take on somebody very very powerful, it would be awesome.

Who could even write a story containing all those characters?

[SLVRSR4]

And yet, the Hulk would probably still crush them.


We don't know the limits of the Staff of One!!! As for Young Avengers I get called a racist but i liked Patriot's first costume better. I like everyone else's costume changes better especially Iron Lad resembling Vision even if that .... and so on... you get the idea... I'm sure i said this before but how the hell is patriot's first shield casually deflecting kang's guns but then the Kree gun goes right through it!!! I need an answer from anyone!:cmad:

[Kevin]

I like his first outfit better as well.

[Charlie No-One]

I just got a letter in the mail saying that Young Avengers has ended and my subscription has been transfered to Runaways. Prior to this letter, I got one saying that my Young Avenger's subscription would continue when the series starts up again. Did this happen to anyone else? Am I being transfered until it comes back or is YA now officially done and the second series has been canned?

[Muze]

I just got a letter in the mail saying that Young Avengers has ended and my subscription has been transfered to Runaways. Prior to this letter, I got one saying that my Young Avenger's subscription would continue when the series starts up again. Did this happen to anyone else? Am I being transfered until it comes back or is YA now officially done and the second series has been canned?

well that's depressing.

[LouFerignoDemon]

We don't know the limits of the Staff of One!!! As for Young Avengers I get called a racist but i liked Patriot's first costume better. I like everyone else's costume changes better especially Iron Lad resembling Vision even if that .... and so on... you get the idea... I'm sure i said this before but how the hell is patriot's first shield casually deflecting kang's guns but then the Kree gun goes right through it!!! I need an answer from anyone!:cmad:


Something that works only once, and only if correctly said. So, I guess with Victor, that might work once.

[LouFerignoDemon]

I just got a letter in the mail saying that Young Avengers has ended and my subscription has been transfered to Runaways. Prior to this letter, I got one saying that my Young Avenger's subscription would continue when the series starts up again. Did this happen to anyone else? Am I being transfered until it comes back or is YA now officially done and the second series has been canned?


That's called, "Boy, you got shafted". That's why I have someone pick up my comics for me, so this doesn't happen.

[Kevin]

It'd be great if it got canned altogether.

[SLVRSR4]

this has happened to me with x-men i clearly put ultimate and they sent me x-men then when that subscription was over they sent me a year of uncanny! I never got my ult. x-men! It's hard to get over but if you need to talk to someone i'm here:csad: :oldrazz:

[Charlie No-One]

Quite frankly, I don't really care about YA that much. By the time it came, I had already forgotten about it since all the delays. I am just wondering if it is canned or not.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Like I said, in person, you can't mess it up. Laziness always yields its own rewards.

[Charlie No-One]

Ok, well since series one of the book has ended, and I have all of the issues, I can't get anymore. I am asking if the second series is back on. This has nothing to do with getting the book through the mail or through person right now.

[spideyboy_1111]

Quite frankly, I don't really care about YA that much. By the time it came, I had already forgotten about it since all the delays. I am just wondering if it is canned or not.

:cmad: theres no delays without a set date... we just don't have a set date yet

[Charlie No-One]

I am talking about when it was running.

[Mr Sparkle]

Wiccan is a pretty stupid name though :dry: makes me think of half the chicks I met in college, like any minute he's going to bust out singing Sarah Maclachlan tunes and talking about commitment.

[spideyboy_1111]

I am talking about when it was running.

it was delayed like twice...

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, he's definitely the "lady" of the relationship so far, so I wouldn't be all that suprised.

[Charlie No-One]

it was delayed like twice...

Ok Mr. Know-it-all :p

All I am saying is that with the normal month between issues and the extra month that it was delayed made me forget about the characters.

[Kevin]

Well, he's definitely the "lady" of the relationship so far, so I wouldn't be all that suprised.
Don't you dare says he's the lady.:cmad: Seriously, that's something I rather not think about because either way would be upsetting.

[Charlie No-One]

Well it is the truth. He would be.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Don't you dare says he's the lady.:cmad: Seriously, that's something I rather not think about because either way would be upsetting.


Well, when I consider other relationships with women, one has to be the "man". O.o

[Kevin]

Well, when I consider other relationships with women, one has to be the "man". O.o
They are equal. dammit!!! :mad:

[supermarvelman]

Oh Hulkling definetly wears the pance in the relationship.;)

[Kevin]

You stop it!!!!!

[supermarvelman]

Well he does.;)

[Kevin]

Ahhhhhhhhhh! Stop! :)

[LouFerignoDemon]

They are equal. dammit!!! :mad:


No relationship is perfectly equal.

[Kevin]

I'm Not Listening!!!

[The Geek Vault]

Poor Comicboy...
Anywho! Of all the YA's which one do you think would make the most interesting solo comic? I'd say Hulkling make him older and in space with the long hair look. (The one with the long Jacket and the Long hair, its bad arse)

[Eros]

Poor Comicboy...
Anywho! Of all the YA's which one do you think would make the most interesting solo comic? I'd say Hulkling make him older and in space with the long hair look. (The one with the long Jacket and the Long hair, its bad arse)
?:huh:

[Kevin]

Poor Comicboy...
Anywho! Of all the YA's which one do you think would make the most interesting solo comic? I'd say Hulkling make him older and in space with the long hair look. (The one with the long Jacket and the Long hair, its bad arse)
Honestly? Kate.

[supermarvelman]

Either Vision 2.0 or Hulkling.

[The Geek Vault]

Can anyone find the sketches that I'm talking about? I got them when I got the TPB, in the back...
Comicboy,
you serios? Kate to me is a really boring character, I mean solo what could she do? A few adventures here, a few there... not much else. Hulkling is the son of Captain Marvel.

[supermarvelman]

And Vision is Vision.

[supermarvelman]

Can anyone find the sketches that I'm talking about? I got them when I got the TPB, in the back...
Comicboy,
you serios? Kate to me is a really boring character, I mean solo what could she do? A few adventures here, a few there... not much else. Hulkling is the son of Captain Marvel.

I dont have the TPB, was it ever used on a cover or in the comic or was it just a sketch? Cause I would like to see it.

[Kevin]

I don't like space people, really. And I don't get what's so great about Captain Marvel 1.:huh:

[GNR]

Poor Comicboy...
Anywho! Of all the YA's which one do you think would make the most interesting solo comic? I'd say Hulkling make him older and in space with the long hair look. (The one with the long Jacket and the Long hair, its bad arse)

Patriot and Kate.

[supermarvelman]

Vision would be the best, it would be a lot easier to see him interacting with a wide range of characters in the Marvel Universe.

[supermarvelman]

I don't like space people, really. And I don't get what's so great about Captain Marvel 1.:huh:

So your not into Annhilation?

Well he is supposedly coming back, so maybe you can see whats so great about him.

[The Geek Vault]

Patriot, I could see being interesting. Maybe someone hurts his grandpa and he goes after them?

[Kevin]

So your not into Annhilation?

Well he is supposedly coming back, so maybe you can see whats so great about him.
I... haven't ..r... read it.... WAIT! before you start beating me with sticks, I will give it a chance because I liked the Nova mini, but otherwise, except for UXM, space sucks.

[The Geek Vault]

Hahahaha Nice Reaction dude
*puts away stick*
Just on a side note how old is nova/was he ever a young avenger?

[supermarvelman]

No they are pretty new, but he was a New Warrior.

By the way, will one of the %0 teams in the initiative be called the Warriors?

[Charlie No-One]

I do not like Patriot. I would say Vision. Not my favorite character, but the only one I see on a solo basis.

[Eros]

a vision solo would last 5 issues.

[supermarvelman]

Vision has a lot of Connections, he could last way more than 5 issues. But really none of the Young Avengers should have a solo book anytime soon.

[Kevin]

Anyone know when the second YA trade is coming out? Did it already?

[Kevin]

So, I've been re-reading YA (So far 2-6) And I must say, The Cassie/Kang relationship is the dumbest... *sigh* She knew him for what, an Hour, hour and a half, maybe 2 hours at best, and they're kissing? She suddenly has all these ****ing feelings after less then 2 goddamn hours? Bull****. :down

Also, Billy is the girl, but I will never ever think of him as a... Taker. I will believe that if their relationship (His and Teddy's) Ever got any farther, that they would be equal. SEE?! this is what I don't wanna think about! Eeeewwww, I can't believe I said that.

[supermarvelman]

;) :p :D

[spideyboy_1111]

Well it is the truth. He would be.

you don't know gay relationships very well.. do ya:whatever:

[The Geek Vault]

Actually I just thought of something when Wiccan is flying Hulkling in on the bottom... lol
Anyway so now we know there's a confirmation of Young Masters of Evil...
What young masters of evil do you want to see? The originals Masters of Evil are Baron Zemo, Black Knight, Radioactive man, Melter (enchantress and excutioner joined later) I'd love to see a mini black knight and a mini radioactive man!

[Kevin]

Wait, Black Knight as in THE Black Knight? Dane Black Knight or some other Black Knight?

[Galact-Gal]

Wait, Black Knight as in THE Black Knight? Dane Black Knight or some other Black Knight?

The original Black Knight was a bad guy, and Dane Whitman's uncle. After being injured in a battle with Iron Man (I think), he got in touch with his nephew, revealed all, repented, & died. Dane decided to become a heroic Black Knight to make up for his uncle's deeds.

[CaptainCanada]

So, I've been re-reading YA (So far 2-6) And I must say, The Cassie/Kang relationship is the dumbest... *sigh* She knew him for what, an Hour, hour and a half, maybe 2 hours at best, and they're kissing? She suddenly has all these ****ing feelings after less then 2 goddamn hours? Bull****. :down

It's a bit rushed, but I still think it works fairly well; she's a teenager, after all. Anyway, falling in love in a really brief space of time is a standard fictional trope, so it doesn't bother me.

[Darthphere]

So, I've been re-reading YA (So far 2-6) And I must say, The Cassie/Kang relationship is the dumbest... *sigh* She knew him for what, an Hour, hour and a half, maybe 2 hours at best, and they're kissing? She suddenly has all these ****ing feelings after less then 2 goddamn hours? Bull****. :down

You've never watched Speed?

[Kevin]

You've never watched Speed?
I've blocked it out of my mind for some reason. I do that sometimes. I didn't like either.

[Darthphere]

after surviving the bus explosion]
Annie: You're not going to get mushy on me, are you?
Jack: Maybe. I might.
Annie: I hope not, 'cause you know, relationships that start under intense circumstances, they never last.
Jack: Oh yeah?
Annie: Yeah, I've done extensive study on this.

[Kevin]

It's a bit rushed, but I still think it works fairly well; she's a teenager, after all. Anyway, falling in love in a really brief space of time is a standard fictional trope, so it doesn't bother me.
It was six issues, and Maybe if it was a few day within those issues I could believe it, but less than 2 hours? Wow, Not even playing, but that's pathetic. And I've already stated my hate for Cassie, so it's all building up.

[Kevin]

The original Black Knight was a bad guy, and Dane Whitman's uncle. After being injured in a battle with Iron Man (I think), he got in touch with his nephew, revealed all, repented, & died. Dane decided to become a heroic Black Knight to make up for his uncle's deeds.
Thank you.

[Kevin]

after surviving the bus explosion]
Annie: You're not going to get mushy on me, are you?
Jack: Maybe. I might.
Annie: I hope not, 'cause you know, relationships that start under intense circumstances, they never last.
Jack: Oh yeah?
Annie: Yeah, I've done extensive study on this.
I hope when kang comes back he turns her evil.

[Charlie No-One]

you don't know gay relationships very well.. do ya:whatever:

As a matter of fact, I do. But since you are always right, and for your sake and mine....

[Eros]

As a matter of fact, I do. But since you are always right, and for your sake and mine....


your gay?

[Charlie No-One]

No, but know people who are.

[Muze]

The original Black Knight was a bad guy, and Dane Whitman's uncle. After being injured in a battle with Iron Man (I think), he got in touch with his nephew, revealed all, repented, & died. Dane decided to become a heroic Black Knight to make up for his uncle's deeds.

the original Black Knight was one of Dane's ancestors and they were heroic, actually.

[spideyboy_1111]

No, but know people who are.

Well i am... and i know in most cases its 50-50... so step off... lol, its not that black and white

[Silvermoth]

The originals Masters of Evil are Baron Zemo, Black Knight, Radioactive man, Melter (enchantress and excutioner joined later) I'd love to see a mini black knight and a mini radioactive man!


So heres a full list...

From Wikipedia.com

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masters_of_Evil&action=edit&section=2)] Heinrich Zemo's Masters of Evil

The original grouping, from Avengers (vol. 1) #6–7, #9–10, #15–16 (July 1964–May 1965)

Baron Heinrich Zemo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Zemo#Baron_Heinrich_Zemo) (leader) (died in Avengers #15)
Black Knight (Nathan Garrett) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_%28Marvel_Comics%29#Villainous_Black_ Knight) (died in Tales of Suspense #72)
Enchantress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enchantress_%28Marvel_Comics%29) (joined in Avengers #7; died in Thor volume two #80)
Executioner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executioner_%28comics%29) (joined in Avengers #7; died in Thor #362)
Melter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melter) (died in Avengers #263)
Radioactive Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_Man_%28Marvel_Comics%29)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masters_of_Evil&action=edit&section=3)] Ultron-5's Masters of Evil

From Avengers (vol. 1) #54–55, #83 (July 1968–December 1970)

Ultron-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultron), (leader, "died" in Avengers #57)
Black Knight (Dane Whitman) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_%28Dane_Whitman%29) (joined with the intention of betraying the Masters)
Klaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaw)
Melter (died in Avengers #263)
Radioactive Man
Whirlwind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlwind_%28comics%29)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masters_of_Evil&action=edit&section=4)] Egghead's Masters of Evil

From Avengers (vol. 1) #222, #227–230 (August 1982–April 1983)

Egghead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egghead_%28comics%29) (leader) (died in Avengers #229)
Beetle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Jenkins)
Moonstone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonstone_%28comics%29)
Radioactive Man
Scorpion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Gargan#Scorpion)
Shocker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocker_%28comics%29)
Tiger Shark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Shark_%28comics%29)
Whirlwind
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masters_of_Evil&action=edit&section=5)] Helmut Zemo's first Masters of Evil

From Avengers (vol. 1) #270–277, West Coast Avengers #16, and Amazing Spider-Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man) #283 (August 1986–March 1987)

Baron Helmut Zemo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Zemo#Baron_Helmut_Zemo) (leader)
Absorbing Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorbing_Man)
Goliath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Josten)
Blackout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_%28comics%29) (new recruit) (died in Avengers #277)
Black Mamba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mamba_%28comics%29) (associate, appears as Tanya Sealy)
Fixer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixer_%28comics%29)
Grey Gargoyle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Gargoyle)
Mister Hyde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Hyde_%28comics%29)
Moonstone
Screaming Mimi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_%28comics%29) (new recruit)
Tiger Shark
Titania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titania_%28Marvel_Comics%29)
Whirlwind
The Wrecking Crew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_Crew_%28comics%29) (Bulldozer, Piledriver, Thunderball, and Wrecker)
Yellowjacket (Rita DeMara) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowjacket_%28Rita_DeMara%29) (died in Avengers: The Crossing)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masters_of_Evil&action=edit&section=6)] Doctor Octopus's Masters of Evil


Dr. Octopus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Octopus) (leader)
Absorbing Man
Gargantua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gargantua_%28comics%29)
Jackhammer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackhammer_%28comics%29)
Oddball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oddball_%28comics%29) (died in Wolverine #167)
Powderkeg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powderkeg)
Puff Adder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puff_Adder_%28comics%29)
Shocker
Titania
Yellowjacket (Rita DeMara) (died in Avengers: The Crossing)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masters_of_Evil&action=edit&section=7)] Helmut Zemo's second Masters of Evil/Thunderbolts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolts_%28comics%29)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Masters_of_Evil_headshots.gif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Masters_of_Evil_headshots.gif) Baron Helmut Zemo's Masters of Evil, before they became the Thunderbolts



Baron Helmut Zemo (leader)
Beetle/MACH-1
Fixer/Techno
Goliath/Atlas
Moonstone/Meteorite
Screaming Mimi/Songbird


[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masters_of_Evil&action=edit&section=8)] Justine Hammer's first Masters of Evil

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Masters_of_Evil_VII.jpg/150px-Masters_of_Evil_VII.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Masters_of_Evil_VII.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Masters_of_Evil_VII.jpg)
Justine Hammer's Masters of Evil by Mark Bagley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Bagley) and Scott Hanna (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scott_Hanna&action=edit). From Thunderbolts #24.



Crimson Cowl (Justine Hammer) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Cowl_%28Justine_Hammer%29) (leader)
Aqueduct (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqueduct_%28comics%29)
Bison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_%28comics%29)
Blackwing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwing)
Boomerang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang_%28comics%29)
Cardinal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_%28comics%29)
Constrictor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constrictor_%28comics%29)
Cyclone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_%28comics%29) (Pierre Fresson)
Dragonfly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_%28Marvel_Comics%29)
Eel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eel_%28comics%29) (Edward Lavell)
Flying Tiger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tiger_%28comics%29)
Icemaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icemaster)
Jackhammer
Joystick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joystick_%28comics%29)
Klaw
Lodestone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodestone_%28comics%29)
Man-Ape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Ape)
Man-Killer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Killer)
Quicksand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksand_%28comics%29)
Scorcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorcher_%28comics%29)
Shatterfist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatterfist_%28Marvel_Comics%29)
Shockwave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shockwave_%28comics%29)
Slyde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slyde)
Sunstroke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunstroke_%28comics%29)
Supercharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger_%28comics%29)
Tiger Shark
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masters_of_Evil&action=edit&section=9)] Justine Hammer's second Masters of Evil


Crimson Cowl (leader)
Black Mamba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mamba_%28comics%29)
Cardinal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_%28comics%29)
Cyclone (Pierre Fresson)
Gypsy Moth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skein_%28comics%29)
Hydro-Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydro-Man)
Machinesmith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinesmith)
Man-KillerAlright, and I would like to see...
Baron Zemo- With MGH just like Patriot
MACH-IV- Awesome battles with Wiccan opputiornity here.
Absorbing Man- Great for Hulkling.
Young Kang
Grey Gargoyle- Brilliant for Tommy
Oddball- Great for the new Hawkeye
Blackout- For exiting in a hurry or what not

[Charlie No-One]

Well i am... and i know in most cases its 50-50... so step off... lol, its not that black and white


Why did I even try? See....you know everything....:whatever:

[LouFerignoDemon]

Some people are offended, when others make observations about their own type, that they don't necessarily find true.

Best course of action, don't provoke them.

[Charlie No-One]

Oh goodness. I don't know what he is talking about. I just agreed with someone who said Billy would be the girl in the relationship and he is all "50/50 chances are..."

[Muze]

potential young Masters of Evil


. Sonic Youth - a new character with sound based powers like Klaw

. Kristoff Vernard - yeah, he seems like a good kid but he's still got Doom's 'programming' in his head. would be interesting to see him clash with Cassie & the new Vision.

. Excavator - the Wrecking Crew kid from Runaways

. Cole Wittman - the Wizard's daughter from Fantastic Four

[Charlie No-One]

I could see Kristoff. That would be cool.

[Darthphere]

Well i am... and i know in most cases its 50-50... so step off... lol, its not that black and white

So I'm guessing you're the catcher?:o

[LouFerignoDemon]

Oh goodness. I don't know what he is talking about. I just agreed with someone who said Billy would be the girl in the relationship and he is all "50/50 chances are..."


I don't really care what happened. I'm just saying don't provoke them if you don't want the reaction. You knew he was going to get worse.

[AndThePickles]

Blah, since this past page looks like a bunch of arguing I don't feel like reading it all.

Anyone know when Young Avengers starts back up?

[LouFerignoDemon]

The fifteenth of Never.

[Charlie No-One]

I don't really care what happened. I'm just saying don't provoke them if you don't want the reaction. You knew he was going to get worse.

I didn't know he was going to go there. I am the only one he pointed out of all the people that said Billy would be the girl in the relationship.

[spideyboy_1111]

Oh goodness. I don't know what he is talking about. I just agreed with someone who said Billy would be the girl in the relationship and he is all "50/50 chances are..."

Don't play that way... your pushing buttons and you know it, or you wouldnt say that I think I'm "always right" i don't think that, but when i do know something like whether somethin is late or not when it doesn't even have a date or when it comes to homosexuality and someone says things that are wrong... then ya ill say something and correct them, your being a smart ass

[spideyboy_1111]

Some people are offended, when others make observations about their own type, that they don't necessarily find true.

Best course of action, don't provoke them.

exactly...

Billy and Teddy have been, so far... a very accurate portrayal of what many of us gay men and teens have gone through, heinberg does an amazing job at not making them stereotypical... theres a huge percentage of gay men that you would never tell unless you really knew them, they act like regular guys... the queeny fem stereotype is around only because there the most noticable. About 60-70 percent of the gay guys i know act like regular men, they love to build stuff, play sports go out drinkin and get dirty... you'd never know unless they were with or talked about a guy. And i in many cases know that a real devoted gay couple do go about sex 50/50 why? because its more intimate to share that way... and theres many very VERY masculine men who like to bottom

[Frico]

Wonder what this "Young" MOE is gonna be like

[spideyboy_1111]

So I'm guessing you're the catcher?:o

well since you brought it upon yourself... i do both, but i usually prefer pitching:o

[spideyboy_1111]

Wonder what this "Young" MOE is gonna be like

me too... i wonder if heinberg is going to take speed back to his trouble maker side, or go with the runaways cross over and make him more freespirited/fun... if hes a trouble maker... he might just defect to the MOE wich would be kinda interesting, being billy's twin and all

[Kevin]

exactly...

Billy and Teddy have been, so far... a very accurate portrayal of what many of us gay men and teens have gone through, heinberg does an amazing job at not making them stereotypical... theres a huge percentage of gay men that you would never tell unless you really knew them, they act like regular guys... the queeny fem stereotype is around only because there the most noticable. About 60-70 percent of the gay guys i know act like regular men, they love to build stuff, play sports go out drinkin and get dirty... you'd never know unless they were with or talked about a guy. And i in many cases know that a real devoted gay couple do go about sex 50/50 why? because its more intimate to share that way... and theres many very VERY masculine men who like to bottom
:up:

[Anubis]

Wow, leave a thread for a little while and everybodies talking about butt sex.

[Kevin]

Well, it is the ****.

[Anubis]

heh, you get an lol for that one.

[Charlie No-One]

And this is where I leave. Internet drama is headache inducing.

[Kevin]

But on the real, I don't know how this always happens.

[Kevin]

And this is where I leave. Internet drama is headache inducing.
Dude, you came on here to talk about YA, Right? Then talk about YA. There's no reason to leave because someone disagrees with you. Just ignore it if you must.

[Anubis]

But on the real, I don't know how this always happens.


Well there's plenty of ways, sometimes somebody bends over and then.....oh wait you mean the whole gay stereotype thing. My bad. :o

[spideyboy_1111]

:up:

thanks man...

Wow, leave a thread for a little while and everybodies talking about butt sex. you know.. it always makes me laugh.. most strait guys wanna stick it in a girls anyway... :whatever:

[spideyboy_1111]

But on the real, I don't know how this always happens.

its just because uneducated people say dumb things

[spideyboy_1111]

but anyway... back to the Young MOE :D

[deemar325]

What I miss? I was kinda zonked for a minute, American Idol.

[Colossal Spoons]

thanks man...

you know.. it always makes me laugh.. most strait guys wanna stick it in a girls anyway... :whatever:

Sign me up!



.....:dry:

Seriously though, this title needs to start up again.

[Colossal Spoons]

What I miss? I was kinda zonked for a minute, American Idol.

Tonight's was ridiculous. Big Red....wtf? :p

[deemar325]

Tonight's was ridiculous. Big Red....wtf? :p


LMAO the dude was whacked!!


Oh and Kenneth the 'Gollum' looking guy Simon called him a bushbaby WTF!!

[deemar325]

HOTNESS! That chick was rank.

[Colossal Spoons]

LMAO the dude was whacked!!


Oh and Kenneth the 'Gollum' looking guy Simon called him a bushbaby WTF!!

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/critters/images/lemur_small.jpg

Haha

[deemar325]

Yeah he looked like that with a little Steve Buscemi.

[Kevin]

And his fat friend Jonathan. *sigh*

[deemar325]

You know what it was like a live action SpongeBob Square Pants and Patrick the Star Fish.

[Colossal Spoons]

That show will be amusing until the people can start to actually sing.

[deemar325]

That show will be amusing until the people can start to actually sing.


The only time I watch it is the audition phase with the lames.

[Charlie No-One]

Dude, you came on here to talk about YA, Right? Then talk about YA. There's no reason to leave because someone disagrees with you. Just ignore it if you must.

I meant leave for the night. And I don't see how this even started. I said one thing that two other people said too, and I am the only to get picked on. I rather not talk about it anymore because there will just be more comments claiming I am "uneducated" and "pushing buttons". Neither of these things are true and I guess I can't voice my opinion.

And I would also like to add, that when I said he would be the girl in the relationship, I meant personality wise.

Anyway, what exactly is happening with Stature and the Civil War?

[Kevin]

Well, she's being a ****ing ****y *****.

[Charlie No-One]

I am guessing she is on the Pro side then?

[Kevin]

:woot:

[spideyboy_1111]

I meant leave for the night. And I don't see how this even started. I said one thing that two other people said too, and I am the only to get picked on. I rather not talk about it anymore because there will just be more comments claiming I am "uneducated" and "pushing buttons". Neither of these things are true and I guess I can't voice my opinion.

And I would also like to add, that when I said he would be the girl in the relationship, I meant personality wise.

Anyway, what exactly is happening with Stature and the Civil War?

I'm sorry about making a big deal out of it man, but what exactly makes billy seem "femmy" as compared to hulkling? both rush to eachothers aid the moment the other is hurt.. and both do whatever it takes to save the other... only ones got huge giant muscles... sooo not really seeing why you, or anyother person saw this other then one having muscles and the other being slim

[Charlie No-One]

No. That is not why I see it that way. I see it that way because Hulkling is confident and hung out with the football (or was it basketball) players. Billy was picked on and was emotionally weaker (and probably a bit weaker physically before he found his powers).

[LouFerignoDemon]

HOTNESS! That chick was rank.


Why would a girl who smells horrible, be hot? O.o

[spideyboy_1111]

No. That is not why I see it that way. I see it that way because Hulkling is confident and hung out with the football (or was it basketball) players. Billy was picked on and was emotionally weaker (and probably a bit weaker physically before he found his powers).

well see this is kinda the part i was trying to explain... Teddy had confidence... because he could physically look like the rest of the guys... if you look back at the annual he use to appear skinny and was an outcast, right until he "changed" to conform with everyone else. Billy on the other hand was shy, kept to himself... and because of this he was picked on, hell for all we know billy could have even been out of the closet in highschool.. and teddy most likely was not. I guess what i'm trying to say is weakness, emotionally or physically does not make someone more of a "woman", I've kinda come to find that alot of strait men feel that it is though... but it's just part of them growing up thinking "women are weaker" and that crap doesn't flow well with todays society.. it's very old school to think that. I don't mean to come off as im saying your wrong or saying your unintelligent, its just people need to get a better understanding of things... and in this case you, and the others who think billy is the "woman" need a better understanding. Wiccan is pretty strait acting... so to speak.. one proof of this is pretty simple.. what femmy gay guy have you ever seen wear a sports jersey? like Billy did in the issue where him and teddy came out to teddy's parents?

[Charlie No-One]

No, again, you a misunderstanding me as well. I don't think he is weaker anymore (like I said, he seemed so in when we saw him before the powers thing). I don't think he is girlish. I think out of the two, he seems the one that would be more comforting and having that loving touch that mostly women have in the relationship.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, he's already shown that, by using what would most likely be "woman patter". When he's commenting about how Teddy doesn't listen, and it must come from his parents, and such. Things "usually only" women would say in such a situation as the one they were in. He's the one who most likely requires comfort.

Just because the guy is a little more effeminate, doesn't mean that he must be a crossdressing "flamer" COMICBOY. I mean, in a lesbian relationship, hardly, if EVER, is there an obvious butch, and an obvious girly girl. And same with many male relationships. God knows I've only had a few girlfriends where the other was the physically obvious "lead", where most just looked like your normal, everyday girl. But that structure WILL exist in all relationships that last. One will be more submitful to the other. He may not do it every time you see him, but he will be the one that more or less follows the lead. And so far, Billy's been doing most of the following.

[spideyboy_1111]

No, again, you a misunderstanding me as well. I don't think he is weaker anymore (like I said, he seemed so in when we saw him before the powers thing). I don't think he is girlish. I think out of the two, he seems the one that would be more comforting and having that loving touch that mostly women have in the relationship.

well Teddy's came off the same way, both are gay and are in love... lol i think they both have been equally comforting to one another... we've just seen a tad bit more with wiccan due to him being there for teddy with his moms death.

[spideyboy_1111]

Actually, he's already shown that, by using what would most likely be "woman patter". When he's commenting about how Teddy doesn't listen, and it must come from his parents, and such. Things "usually only" women would say in such a situation as the one they were in. He's the one who most likely requires comfort.

Just because the guy is a little more effeminate, doesn't mean that he must be a crossdressing "flamer" COMICBOY. I mean, in a lesbian relationship, hardly, if EVER, is there an obvious butch, and an obvious girly girl. And same with many male relationships. God knows I've only had a few girlfriends where the other was the physically obvious "lead", where most just looked like your normal, everyday girl. But that structure WILL exist in all relationships that last. One will be more submitful to the other. He may not do it every time you see him, but he will be the one that more or less follows the lead. And so far, Billy's been doing most of the following.

agreed, but it does balance out, as i've come to find out, even though i typically like to "pitch" and be in control, other times i just don't, it's kinda nice to have not control over a part of my life sexually or not, sometimes its nice to indeed depend... and both have shown cases of that, Wiccan follows Hulkling cuz he loves him, that and hulkling rushes into things and wiccan doesnt want to see him get hurt so follows. But other times its Teddy who needs the comforting and to depend on wiccan.. so i really see it as a give or take thing, it was relationships are all about, its not as simple as "ones the man, ones the woman"

[Kevin]

well see this is kinda the part i was trying to explain... Teddy had confidence... because he could physically look like the rest of the guys... if you look back at the annual he use to appear skinny and was an outcast, right until he "changed" to conform with everyone else. Billy on the other hand was shy, kept to himself... and because of this he was picked on, hell for all we know billy could have even been out of the closet in highschool.. and teddy most likely was not. I guess what i'm trying to say is weakness, emotionally or physically does not make someone more of a "woman", I've kinda come to find that alot of strait men feel that it is though... but it's just part of them growing up thinking "women are weaker" and that crap doesn't flow well with todays society.. it's very old school to think that. I don't mean to come off as im saying your wrong or saying your unintelligent, its just people need to get a better understanding of things... and in this case you, and the others who think billy is the "woman" need a better understanding. Wiccan is pretty strait acting... so to speak.. one proof of this is pretty simple.. what femmy gay guy have you ever seen wear a sports jersey? like Billy did in the issue where him and teddy came out to teddy's parents?
I just read that issue (The coming out one) again today.

[GNR]

If it is Captain Marvel coming back,I want to see Hulking's reaction.

[Kevin]

Actually, he's already shown that, by using what would most likely be "woman patter". When he's commenting about how Teddy doesn't listen, and it must come from his parents, and such. Things "usually only" women would say in such a situation as the one they were in. He's the one who most likely requires comfort.

Just because the guy is a little more effeminate, doesn't mean that he must be a crossdressing "flamer" COMICBOY. I mean, in a lesbian relationship, hardly, if EVER, is there an obvious butch, and an obvious girly girl. And same with many male relationships. God knows I've only had a few girlfriends where the other was the physically obvious "lead", where most just looked like your normal, everyday girl. But that structure WILL exist in all relationships that last. One will be more submitful to the other. He may not do it every time you see him, but he will be the one that more or less follows the lead. And so far, Billy's been doing most of the following.
What the hell did I say??

[spideyboy_1111]

I just read that issue (The coming out one) again today.

it's a very good issue.. hate the art, but there coming out is classic

[spideyboy_1111]

If it is Captain Marvel coming back,I want to see Hulking's reaction.

me too

[Arkady Rossovich]

Can someone please give me a date when the second TPB volume of Young Avengers is comming out?Im getting conflicting dates as to when its being released.How much issues will it have?

[The Geek Vault]

It's already out dude, got it for christmas.

[Darthphere]

No, he wants the TPB, not the hardcover.

[CaptainCanada]

The paperback is due on April 18th, as I recall.

[supermarvelman]

well Teddy's came off the same way, both are gay and are in love... lol i think they both have been equally comforting to one another... we've just seen a tad bit more with wiccan due to him being there for teddy with his moms death.


I dont think they are in love.

[spideyboy_1111]

really? well its not lust, cuz they havent even had an on panel kiss... and billy certainly would have fulled me esp during the YA/Runaways cross over when he was trying to save teddy

[Kevin]

To be honest, I don't see them together in the future. I hope they can last as friends.

[spideyboy_1111]

i hope they stay together.. but hell marvel seems to shake up all relationships so wouldnt surprise me... if teddy and billy split ill be sad though... but i could see billy with anole, one of the x-students

[Kevin]

Really? He's green though.:oldrazz:

[Mr Sparkle]

No, he wants the TPB, not the hardcover.

I'm sooo geting the hardcover :up:

[ang_hulk]

which one of the inhumans was an avenger? was it crystal?

[Kevin]

Is it me, or does she and Sentry have the same outfit?:huh: Seriously.

[Harlekin]

Crystal was an Avenger yeah, and no, they do not have the same outfit.

[spideyboy_1111]

ya... there costumes look nothing alike.. there just yellow, thats all thats similar

[ang_hulk]

It be cool to have an inhuman/attilan on the team,shes been with quick silver enough and even hung with the black knight.

[Kevin]

'Cause I was reading the Sentry's NA cw tie in, and They looked alike to me.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not that much.

[LouFerignoDemon]

agreed, but it does balance out, as i've come to find out, even though i typically like to "pitch" and be in control, other times i just don't, it's kinda nice to have not control over a part of my life sexually or not, sometimes its nice to indeed depend... and both have shown cases of that, Wiccan follows Hulkling cuz he loves him, that and hulkling rushes into things and wiccan doesnt want to see him get hurt so follows. But other times its Teddy who needs the comforting and to depend on wiccan.. so i really see it as a give or take thing, it was relationships are all about, its not as simple as "ones the man, ones the woman"

I think we're trying to talk about two sides of the same coin here. No relationship is pure dominant/subserviant, but just the overlaying role of the relationship. One is more likely to be "in charge" of the relationship or the male role as it has come to over the years, and one will be the other, or the female role, as it has been known over the years.

While I agree, it's no absolute, always 100% of the time like that every second of the day. All relationships work that way, regardless.

[The_Hulk]

'Cause I was reading the Sentry's NA cw tie in, and They looked alike to me.

i thought they looked pretty similar too...

[Kevin]

i thought they looked pretty similar too...
I knew I couldn't be completely alone on this.

[spideyboy_1111]

ummm ones yellow with black "zigzags", the other... is yellow and blue... with a blue cape... blue gloves, blue boots, and a big blue belt... how do those look the same?

[Kevin]

Did you read the issue in question?

[i'm Spider-Man]

... i did. and seriously, they're not alike.

[Darthphere]

They look nothing alike:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/24/NA243.jpg

[Kevin]

*Sigh* Best example. My POV...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/RobinBlue_photos/NA2410.jpg

[Kevin]

Yes, they have their differences, but...

[Darthphere]

Yeah, they look nothing alike.

[Kevin]

And I think they do.

[Darthphere]

You think wrong, by your own admission.

[spideyboy_1111]

dude.. they only look alike in that pic cuz its a bad artist.. who for some reason made all but sentry's cape black

[Kevin]

dude.. they only look alike in that pic cuz its a bad artist.. who for some reason made all but sentry's cape black
I wasn't talking as a whole. I was talking about that issue, and mostly that panel.

[Kevin]

You think wrong, by your own admission.
Roger, do me a favor, please? Choke on something and Die. Seriously. Get hit by a train, don't care, Just go away.

[Darthphere]

Roger, do me a favor, please? Choke on something and Die. Seriously. Get hit by a train, don't care, Just go away.

That was mean.:csad:

[Kevin]

No. It. wasn't.

[Kevin]

The only way it would be mean is if, A) it hurt you, or B) I meant it.

[Darthphere]

Yes, you needed two posts for that. Good job.

[spideyboy_1111]

I wasn't talking as a whole. I was talking about that issue, and mostly that panel.

lol... you shoulda said that ahead of time.. all you said before was "the look like they have the same costume" when they dont... only in that pic do they look similar

[Kevin]

It was two different thoughts.

[Kevin]

lol... you shoulda said that ahead of time.. all you said before was "the look like they have the same costume" when they dont... only in that pic do they look similar
I probably should have. And I haven't read much with her in it anyway.

[Kevin]

Okay, so after re-reading the series over the last couple of week minus issue 1 which I don't own, but have read (What can I say, i'm a s low reader.) My final grade on YA is gonna have to be and A if not a B+. I really miss ths book, but at least we are still seeing the characters in other books. Now, I wish that we could've seen more in this series. What?

1) We've seen most of the kids' home life, but never their school life.

2) I keep hearing about Billy's little brothers, but we've never met them.

3) How was tommy's home life?

4) We met Teddy's mom that one time, but she's dead now. Will we have flashbacks about her?

5) Do any of them go to the same schools?

6) How long have Billy and Teddy known each other? It's hinted that they were friends before YA, but since they were children maybe?

7) Have Billy's parents met Eli, Kate and Cassie before Teddy's mom died? Same question about Eli's grandparents before Eli got shot.

8) And finally, Why won't Cassie go away? (J/k)

I guess these are things we may or may not get updated on until season 2. So I ask you guys, whats on your wishlist for next season?

[GNR]

I can't wait to see Hulking's reaction to the fact that his daddy is alive and well.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Should be very interesting!

I need to do some homework as to how he "died"

[Colossal Spoons]

According to Wiki: YA should return after Cheung is done w/ the Illuminati mini :up:

[Kevin]

Okay, so after re-reading the series over the last couple of week minus issue 1 which I don't own, but have read (What can I say, i'm a s low reader.) My final grade on YA is gonna have to be and A if not a B+. I really miss ths book, but at least we are still seeing the characters in other books. Now, I wish that we could've seen more in this series. What?

1) We've seen most of the kids' home life, but never their school life.

2) I keep hearing about Billy's little brothers, but we've never met them.

3) How was tommy's home life?

4) We met Teddy's mom that one time, but she's dead now. Will we have flashbacks about her?

5) Do any of them go to the same schools?

6) How long have Billy and Teddy known each other? It's hinted that they were friends before YA, but since they were children maybe?

7) Have Billy's parents met Eli, Kate and Cassie before Teddy's mom died? Same question about Eli's grandparents before Eli got shot.

8) And finally, Why won't Cassie go away? (J/k)

I guess these are things we may or may not get updated on until season 2. So I ask you guys, whats on your wishlist for next season?
...

[Colossal Spoons]

1. Heinberg's bringing in the Young Masters of Evil next season, I just hope he handles a group of antagonists well.

2. Wiccan to work on his non-verbal spells

3. Kate dies

[Darthphere]

2. Wiccan to work on his non-verbal spells

Why? I like magic users with certain limitations.

[CaptainCanada]

6) How long have Billy and Teddy known each other? It's hinted that they were friends before YA, but since they were children maybe?

I originally thought they knew each other for a while, but the Special that detailed origins doesn't give any indication of that.

5) Do any of them go to the same schools?

Kate goes to some private school, a Catholic one by her wardrobe; judging by the team's congregation to meet with Eli in #9, and his reaction, I'm guessing none of them go the same school as him; Cassie's younger then everybody else; Speed blew up his school, so obviously not; Billy and Teddy might go to the same school.

Anyway, things I'd like to see:

1. The roster stays stable, with no new additions or subtractions.

2. We've already seen the YA team up with the New Avengers in "Family Matters;" it would be cool for them to meet up with the MU's other major teams, the Fantastic Four and the X-Men as well.

3. A thorough explanation for Speed and Wiccan's family connections.

4. I'd like to see an issue dedicated to the YAs' situation during "Civil War," since their own series wasn't around, and the War should have seriously affected pretty much every character's situation, aside from the Vision.

[Colossal Spoons]

Why? I like magic users with certain limitations.

The limitation is that he still has to repeat things over and oever again. I'd say that's a pretty signifigant limitation regardless of it's verbal or nonverbal aspect.

[Darthphere]

The limitation is that he still has to repeat things over and oever again. I'd say that's a pretty signifigant limitation regardless of it's verbal or nonverbal aspect.

But even Dr. Strange verbalizes his spells. Its a limit. If they can just think a spell, thats 1)Boring 2) MAkes them way too powerful. Look at Zatanna.

[Colossal Spoons]

But even Dr. Strange verbalizes his spells. Its a limit. If they can just think a spell, thats 1)Boring 2) MAkes them way too powerful. Look at Zatanna.


I've seen Strange do things w/o speaking before. I just think that guy from the Runaways/YA crossover took him out waaay to easily.

[Darthphere]

I've seen Strange do things w/o speaking before. I just think that guy from the Runaways/YA crossover took him out waaay to easily.

Well Marvel Boy was moving at high speeds.:huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

Well Marvel Boy was moving at high speeds.:huh:

No no, I mean that mad scientist who put that contraption on his head to block him from hearing himself. I can't remember if he could still talk?

[Darthphere]

No no, I mean that mad scientist who put that contraption on his head to block him from hearing himself. I can't remember if he could still talk?

He was knocked out.:huh:

[supermarvelman]

1. Heinberg's bringing in the Young Masters of Evil next season, I just hope he handles a group of antagonists well.

2. Wiccan to work on his non-verbal spells

3. Kate dies


"Wonder Boy" will be on the Young Masters of Evil, wasnt Wonder Man tricked into being on the Masters of Evil?

[Colossal Spoons]

He was knocked out.:huh:

Heh, no I mean the fact that the helmet worked.

[Darthphere]

Heh, no I mean the fact that the helmet worked.

Why wouldn't it work?:huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

Why wouldn't it work?:huh:

The helmet prevented Billy from hearing his own voice via his ears. If he perfected his non-verbal spells, then he could just mutter them in his head. It was a genius idea that totally explaoited what I think Billy's main weakness is.

[Darthphere]

The helmet prevented Billy from hearing his own voice via his ears. If he perfected his non-verbal spells, then he could just mutter them in his head. It was a genius idea that totally explaoited what I think Billy's main weakness is.

Every hero has a weakness.:huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

and Billy has 2!

[Darthphere]

and Billy has 2!

Not really.

[supermarvelman]

But he has the most potential.

[Darthphere]

But he has the most potential.

See, Super gets it. He's easily the most pwerful member of the group.

[Colossal Spoons]

Not really.

1. Verbal spells

2. Mandatory repetition


:huh:

[Darthphere]

1. Verbal spells

2. Mandatory repetition


:huh:

I dont think its mandatory to repeat the spells. He just hasn't focused them correctly.

[supermarvelman]

By the time he is an adult, which will take about 40 years of real time, he should beable to do spelld without verbally having to repeat the spells.

[Kevin]

He can do some things without wording them. He can change his outfit (Issue 10) And he can make and fix **** out of thin air (Issue 12, Ant-man statue and such.) I'm sure he can do more.

[Darthphere]

And to add to my other post, thats still really one weakness because it involves being verbal.

[spideyboy_1111]

And to add to my other post, thats still really one weakness because it involves being verbal.

how often do you honestly think he's going to be bound and gagged, or given a inhibiter that stops him from hearing his own voice

[Darthphere]

how often do you honestly think he's going to be bound and gagged, or given a inhibiter that stops him from hearing his own voice

Thats kind of making my point.

[spideyboy_1111]

Thats kind of making my point.

please.. first you gotta get to him, and im sure every villain they face is going to have an inhibiter... weaknesses are a good thing anyway.. its why i hate superman... he just has a rock and magic.. "whoooo" :whatever: :o

[Colossal Spoons]

I dont think its mandatory to repeat the spells. He just hasn't focused them correctly.

I hope so, maybe we'll see in time.

[spideyboy_1111]

i thought heinberg explained it well... Wiccan's powers are based on desire... right now his greatest way to focus is saying it... its pretty simple his power is mental.. and at the moment he has better control of it when he repeats it over and over out loud to himself.. thats how i look at it..

[Kevin]

Pretty much how I see it, but like I said before, he doesn't always need to do it.

[Colossal Spoons]

It wasn't a major gripe of mine. Just something I'd like to see him get better at as time progresses :up:

[BrianWilly]

how often do you honestly think he's going to be bound and gagged, or given a inhibiter that stops him from hearing his own voiceThat's really gonna have to depend on Teddy, now, isn't it?

http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif

[Darthphere]

That's really gonna have to depend on Teddy, now, isn't it?

http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif

HIYO!:dry:

[Colossal Spoons]

You two! Go sing Fergalicious somewhere!

[Kevin]

That's really gonna have to depend on Teddy, now, isn't it?

http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/cwm/rcain.gif
*sigh*

[spideyboy_1111]

*sigh*

*bigger sigh*

[BrianWilly]

You all make it so easy. Then again, I am full of myself, so the bar is relatively skewed.

[spideyboy_1111]

You all make it so easy. Then again, I am full of myself, so the bar is relatively skewed.

well you are full of something, i'll give you that:o

[supermarvelman]

Whats he full of?

[Kevin]

****

[Colossal Spoons]

:dry:

[The Geek Vault]

um well this is interesting to read. Any new YA's news yet? Anyone else think Cassie's gonna bite it?

[Dread]

um well this is interesting to read. Any new YA's news yet? Anyone else think Cassie's gonna bite it?

I doubt it, but her being the only team member to join the pro-Reg's has to be fodder for in-team drama and strife.

[The Geek Vault]

eh idk I think that her dying would end CW because the whole point was to basically protrect teen heroes and when they kill one that will defeat the purpose.

[CaptainCanada]

eh idk I think that her dying would end CW because the whole point was to basically protrect teen heroes and when they kill one that will defeat the purpose.
Well, no, the point was to protect the public from teen heroes irresponsibly blowing stuff up.

[Anubis]

Plus, they already killed a giant person.

[Frico]

'Nubis, your avvy dude....:eek:

And back to the subject of the Young Master of Evil, anyone think of or came up with names for 'em? :o

Also, has Hienberg given any kind of update on the books return??

[Frico]

um well this is interesting to read. Any new YA's news yet? Anyone else think Cassie's gonna bite it?

Dunno, but i pretty much doubt it too. 'Specially since she's Prog Reg, I think it's gonna has some sort of effect with the rest of the YA, though.

[Colossal Spoons]

Also, has Hienberg given any kind of update on the books return??

Rumor has it, when Cheung's done w/ Illuminati

[Frico]

Rumor has it, when Cheung's done w/ Illuminati

Link? :o

[Colossal Spoons]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Avengers

[Frico]

Thanks, Spoons. :up:

[ihateusernames]

Bi-monthly?, Crap.

[supermarvelman]

Its better than missing out on them for the past couple of months.

[CaptainCanada]

Bi-monthly?, Crap.
Neither Cheung nor Heinberg are capable of doing a monthly anyway.

[Darthphere]

Sure they are. They just don't.

[BrianWilly]

As an aside, magic in the Marvel universe has specific rules. All magicians in the Marvel universe should be capable of telekinesis, telepathy, astral projection, and other personal powers (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showquestion.asp?faq=4&fldAuto=125), just by the nature of practicing magic. Gagging Dr. Strange is not going to do a thing unless the spell needs the aid of a "patron" to cast it. A lot of spells -- roughly one-third of all spells -- he literally could just think and it would happen.

Billy's limits are all self-imposed. That's what he gets from learning magic from a self-help book instead of an actual teacher. There shouldn't be any technical reason why he can't use his powers without hearing himself. And, in fact, considering that he can fly and throw lightning and erect (Heheheh. Ehehehe. Heheh.) shields without hearing himself speak, I'm wondering why exactly he couldn't just do that when he was captured.

*shrug*

[Colossal Spoons]

^:up::up:


Sure they are. They just don't.

Yeah, let's not make excuses for them :cmad:

[ihateusernames]

I know it's better than nothing at all...

I just hate the bi-monthly release thing. I don't know, i tend to stay away from books like that. I will, however, be buying YA.
I just hate getting to the end, having a cliff hanger.

By the time the books released, I've just lost intrest in what happened.

[The Geek Vault]

What does that mean if its released bi monthly?

[Kevin]

Every two months. And bi-weekly means every two weeks.

[CaptainCanada]

Sure they are. They just don't.
Heinberg, sure, but his history on the job suggests he won't.

Cheung's art style (at least, the one he uses now) can't fit a monthly title, from all appearances.

[Kevin]

I've already said how I feel about the bi-monthly thing some pages ago. I just want it confirmed and dated.

[supermarvelman]

As an aside, magic in the Marvel universe has specific rules. All magicians in the Marvel universe should be capable of telekinesis, telepathy, astral projection, and other personal powers (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showquestion.asp?faq=4&fldAuto=125), just by the nature of practicing magic. Gagging Dr. Strange is not going to do a thing unless the spell needs the aid of a "patron" to cast it. A lot of spells -- roughly one-third of all spells -- he literally could just think and it would happen.

Billy's limits are all self-imposed. That's what he gets from learning magic from a self-help book instead of an actual teacher. There shouldn't be any technical reason why he can't use his powers without hearing himself. And, in fact, considering that he can fly and throw lightning and erect (Heheheh. Ehehehe. Heheh.) shields without hearing himself speak, I'm wondering why exactly he couldn't just do that when he was captured.

*shrug*

Because he hasnt gotten over that mental hump yet. God damn if he was all powerful right off the bat, then people would just complain about him not having any limitations. He has unknowingly put up subconcious mental blocks that he has not gotten over yet. Like what Iceman did after House of M or what Cyclops has done to himself, it wasn't just the bump on the head that made him lose control of his powers. Eventually as Billy develops he will learn to use spells without using words, he basically isnt confident enough in his own abilities to do that yet.

[Darthphere]

Heinberg, sure, but his history on the job suggests he won't.

Cheung's art style (at least, the one he uses now) can't fit a monthly title, from all appearances.

Appearance can be decieving.

[supermarvelman]

I know it's better than nothing at all...

I just hate the bi-monthly release thing. I don't know, i tend to stay away from books like that. I will, however, be buying YA.
I just hate getting to the end, having a cliff hanger.

By the time the books released, I've just lost intrest in what happened.


Then your not that much of a fan if you lose interest that easy. When that happens to me, I pick up the previous issue skim through it, then I continue onto the new issue, its not that hard. I do that on comics that come out every month, or even comics that come out everyother week, it helps you to remember little details you might have forgotten.

[BrianWilly]

Because he hasnt gotten over that mental hump yet. God damn if he was all powerful right off the bat, then people would just complain about him not having any limitations. He has unknowingly put up subconcious mental blocks that he has not gotten over yet. Like what Iceman did after House of M or what Cyclops has done to himself, it wasn't just the bump on the head that made him lose control of his powers. Eventually as Billy develops he will learn to use spells without using words, he basically isnt confident enough in his own abilities to do that yet.It's not a matter of confidence. He literally has no training, the way he managed to learn magic was obviously the wrong way, and now he's stuck with a faulty method that he has to unlearn if he ever wants to become a real magician.

[supermarvelman]

It is a matter of confidence, he isnt secure in his ways of Magic. Because he's not cofident and because he learned his magic in the wrong way, is why there are mental blocks that he cannot get over.

[Kevin]

Really, it's not that big a deal, though.

[supermarvelman]

No it's not.

[BrianWilly]

It doesn't matter how confident he is. If he doesn't find someone to actually teach him magic, he's never going to break his bad habits and he'll just be confidently listening to himself mutter to cast spells.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Co-signed

[spideyboy_1111]

no offense.. but you guys are giving WAY too much of a hoopla about billy and his magic powers

[Darthphere]

I gotta agree.

Billy is who we thought he was, and we let him off the hook!

[GNR]

anybody else hear about this Teen Avengers animated film in the works?

no,these aren't the YA,they're using brand new characters made for the movie,sounds crappy to me