Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[Darthphere]

anybody else hear about this Teen Avengers animated film in the works?

no,these aren't the YA,they're using brand new characters made for the movie,sounds crappy to me

I thought it was pretty much like A-Next.

[Kevin]

anybody else hear about this Teen Avengers animated film in the works?

no,these aren't the YA,they're using brand new characters made for the movie,sounds crappy to me
That's.... what people said about young avengers...

[supermarvelman]

Yea everybody was like "that ish is gonna suck"

[spideyboy_1111]

well if its not YA characters i dont give a hoot...

[Kevin]

Open minded. YAY!

[spideyboy_1111]

Open minded. YAY!

well avengers next sucks.. and we already got young avengers... i dont really need to see another young cap (whos not patriot), kid thor (whos not wiccan), teen hulk (whos not hulking) and iron boy whos not (iron lad).... anything thats not avengers next or YA will just seem kinda like a rip off

[deemar325]

They should've just made a YA animated film.

[spideyboy_1111]

ya, a YA film would be great.. but due to it being geered torwards kids.. the whole billy/teddy thing would be dropped... wich would suck :(

[GNR]

They should've just made a YA animated film.

that's what I'm saying

[CaptainCanada]

I posted this in the film thread, but I think the primary problem with using YA in an animated film, especially one aimed at young audiences, is that the whole series is built on Marvel continuity, a huge amount of obscure (to general audiences), convoluted backstory.

A reasonably faithful adaptation would have to fill the audiences in on:

- The basic history of the Avengers.
- Truth: Red, White, and Black.
- The events of the Kree-Skrull War.
- The basic history of Kang the Conqueror.
- The Scarlet Witch's kids plotline.
- Avengers Disassembled.

For a standalone feature aimed at young audiences, that's an enormous exposition dump just to establish the backstory of the film, before you even get to the actual plot.

[spideyboy_1111]

I posted this in the film thread, but I think the primary problem with using YA in an animated film, especially one aimed at young audiences, is that the whole series is built on Marvel continuity, a huge amount of obscure (to general audiences), convoluted backstory.

A reasonably faithful adaptation would have to fill the audiences in on:

- The basic history of the Avengers.
- Truth: Red, White, and Black.
- The events of the Kree-Skrull War.
- The basic history of Kang the Conqueror.
- The Scarlet Witch's kids plotline.
- Avengers Disassembled.

For a standalone feature aimed at young audiences, that's an enormous exposition dump just to establish the backstory of the film, before you even get to the actual plot.

sounds like it... but its called flashbacks.. thats the way they filled in alot of marvel coninuity in the past cartoons, from fantastic 4 to spidey, to x-men... for instance they did an episode of FF4 with frankie raye, showing a flashback to the original human torch and her fathers experiments

[CaptainCanada]

sounds like it... but its called flashbacks.. thats the way they filled in alot of marvel coninuity in the past cartoons, from fantastic 4 to spidey, to x-men... for instance they did an episode of FF4 with frankie raye, showing a flashback to the original human torch and her fathers experiments
TV has a lot more room than a single animated film. I agree it could be done, but I think the huge amount of backstory is the primary obstacle to filming this series.

[deemar325]

I posted this in the film thread, but I think the primary problem with using YA in an animated film, especially one aimed at young audiences, is that the whole series is built on Marvel continuity, a huge amount of obscure (to general audiences), convoluted backstory.

A reasonably faithful adaptation would have to fill the audiences in on:

- The basic history of the Avengers.
- Truth: Red, White, and Black.
- The events of the Kree-Skrull War.
- The basic history of Kang the Conqueror.
- The Scarlet Witch's kids plotline.
- Avengers Disassembled.

For a standalone feature aimed at young audiences, that's an enormous exposition dump just to establish the backstory of the film, before you even get to the actual plot.


Recap page. :woot: :o

[spideyboy_1111]

well to be honest alot would be changed anyway... i think YA could be done without dissassembled... and everyones origins could just be mentioned... it'd be kinda stupid to think they wouldnt change anything anyway... but it still could be done, just assume people know about it esp if it doesnt serve the story, consider them easter eggs and nods.. they did that alot in the tv cartoons.. and yes you might say tv has more room... but 75% - 80% of the cartoon episodes were single episode stories.. they told in 30 min with a flashback.. .so dont see how thats much more room... esp if it wasnt a continued story

[deemar325]

Look at the Teen Titans cartoon they didn't go into their origins at all, hell most of the time your never sure which Robin is staring on the show.

[supermarvelman]

True

[deemar325]

So YA could just get right to the story and action and worry about the other origin crap later.

[spideyboy_1111]

exactly

[deemar325]

Oh and Mark Steven Johnson should direct it!!

[spideyboy_1111]

umm we were talking animated... lol ... a YA live action movie wont happen for SEVERAL years, if ever... the avengers movie most of all would have to be made first... and a live action movie you really can't get away with flashbacks and "easter egged" back story like you can with an animated show/movie

[supermarvelman]

Well now that Marvel has its own Production Company.

[deemar325]

umm we were talking animated... lol ... a YA live action movie wont happen for SEVERAL years, if ever... the avengers movie most of all would have to be made first... and a live action movie you really can't get away with flashbacks and "easter egged" back story like you can with an animated show/movie

I'm joking I hate MSJ with a passion. Just watching the tv spots for GhostRider piss me off at how campy and non-menacing the movie seems.

[BrianWilly]

no offense.. but you guys are giving WAY too much of a hoopla about billy and his magic powersYeah, everyone should just stop talking on-topic.

:dry:

[Colossal Spoons]

I know I'm gonna :o

[spideyboy_1111]

Yeah, everyone should just stop talking on-topic.

:dry:

yes because this thread is called "whats wrong with billy's powers":whatever: no its a YA thread and the people complaining about his powers sound like whiney fanboys who are so repressed on waiting that they've resorted to nit picking.. wich they will continue to do till the release of the "new season" and by that point they won't like the book because of all the faults they have created

[BrianWilly]

It's a YA thread. We're talking about YA, and Billy's powers are a completely relevant topic. The idea that it's some sort of repressed fanboy whining is absurd beyond the measure of words to tell.

Sorry that we're not talking about the parts of YA that you want to talk about. Please, do go on.

[spideyboy_1111]

It's a YA thread. We're talking about YA, and Billy's powers are a completely relevant topic. The idea that it's some sort of repressed fanboy whining is absurd beyond the measure of words to tell.

Sorry that we're not talking about the parts of YA that you want to talk about. Please, do go on.

hey, it was fine when it started but it seems to pop up and never go away.. and its not going anywhere.. and sounds like a bunch of whining... i cant help it if your whining so stop

[BrianWilly]

Your complaints are getting more and more ridiculous which each new post. I didn't even understand what you were objecting about in the first place, and I don't now.

So please, don't mind me. Just go on and talk about Young Avengers. We'll make sure to conform our discussion to whatever you want. Okay? Go ahead:).

[Colossal Spoons]

yes because this thread is called "whats wrong with billy's powers":whatever: no its a YA thread and the people complaining about his powers sound like whiney fanboys who are so repressed on waiting that they've resorted to nit picking.. wich they will continue to do till the release of the "new season" and by that point they won't like the book because of all the faults they have created

As the person who first brought up the thing about Billy's powers; you couldn't be more wrong.

[spideyboy_1111]

As the person who first brought up the thing about Billy's powers; you couldn't be more wrong.

well its getting pretty drawn out... i feel like all you say is the same thing over and over

[Kevin]

yes because this thread is called "whats wrong with billy's powers":whatever: no its a YA thread and the people complaining about his powers sound like whiney fanboys who are so repressed on waiting that they've resorted to nit picking.. wich they will continue to do till the release of the "new season" and by that point they won't like the book because of all the faults they have created
But it is their choice to do so. If they choose to not pick up next season because of nit picking, so be it.

[supermarvelman]

Your complaints are getting more and more ridiculous which each new post. I didn't even understand what you were objecting about in the first place, and I don't now.

So please, don't mind me. Just go on and talk about Young Avengers. We'll make sure to conform our discussion to whatever you want. Okay? Go ahead:).


Well your pretty much trying to tell us what not to talk about so, how about we conform for you? How about no, if some people are having a discussion that is at all relavent to the name of the thread, whats the big deal. We where talking about Wiccan, who is part of the YA, it's not like we're off topic. Do you want us to start a whole new thread dedicated to Wiccan and his power? Probably not, so deal with it, if you want to talk about something else YA related than bring it up, maybe people will catch on, dont tell people what not to talk about.:whatever:

[supermarvelman]

hey, it was fine when it started but it seems to pop up and never go away.. and its not going anywhere.. and sounds like a bunch of whining... i cant help it if your whining so stop


Bring up another topic, instead of *****ing yourself, you ever thought of that.:oldrazz:

[Colossal Spoons]

^See, I always thought that was kind of implied on a message board. :o

well its getting pretty drawn out... i feel like all you say is the same thing over and over

With that, what would you like to talk about?

[Kevin]

Rainbows and Fireflies? Either that or Pimping out that Ho Aunt May.

[Colossal Spoons]

and her sweet ass lol

We'll just keep throwing idead against the wall until we find one that spideyboy approves of.

[The Geek Vault]

So um who is picking up the next season of YA's?

[Zaptoitnow]

Not me, Billy's powers are dumb.

lol

[blud_knight]

I love the artwork in theses imageshttp://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/july05/YNGAVN006_COVx.jpg
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0606/youngaven1210.jpg

[ang_hulk]

as do i.

[supermarvelman]

^See, I always thought that was kind of implied on a message board. :o



With that, what would you like to talk about?


I could understand people getting upset if we where talking about how Hellions powers worked and his limitation, cause he is a New X-Man not a Young Avenger, that would make sense to me, but to get upset over a topic that, that has everything to do with the Young Avengers in just plain dumb.

[supermarvelman]

So um who is picking up the next season of YA's?


I'm picking it up, no doubt.

How would you guys rank these 3 teams, from most favorite to least favorite.

1)New X-Men
2)Young Avengers
3)Runaways

[Colossal Spoons]

So um who is picking up the next season of YA's?

Not me, Billy's powers are dumb.

lol

HEY! We're done talking about that...

[blud_knight]

Did you guys read Truth: Red White and Black?

[ang_hulk]

I'm picking it up, no doubt.

How would you guys rank these 3 teams, from most favorite to least favorite.

1)New X-Men
2)Young Avengers
3)Runaways



when you say new xmen who do you mean?

[supermarvelman]

I mean the New X-Men, the young mutants.

Hellion
Rockslide
Mercury
Surge
Dust
X-23
Elixir
Prodigy

[supermarvelman]

Did you guys read Truth: Red White and Black?


No what is it?

[blud_knight]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/Umbrax2/truthatar.jpg
the us gov tested the serum on 300 black enlisted men, and only 5 survived. This is the story of one of them.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah

[supermarvelman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/Umbrax2/truthatar.jpg
the us gov tested the serum on 300 black enlisted men, and only 5 survived. This is the story of one of them.


What is this a mini, or just a random comment? I take it that this is Truth: Red, White, and Black.

If it's a mini, is it already out or is it coming out, cause I never seen anything for it in any preview magazine.

Was Battlestar 1 of the 5?

[blud_knight]

don't know. I have not read it myself, I was wondering if anyone had, and if it was any good. I guess one of the young avengers was suposed to the kid of that guy.

[supermarvelman]

It's Patriot, but he is the grandson of that guy Isaiah Bradley.

I would like to read Truth: Red, White, and Black, when did it come out?

[The Geek Vault]

I was thinking last night and in the second TPB of YA's we see the flash back of Patriot when he first starts taking the MGH, how old is he? He looks a lot younger? Also anyone think it would be cool to see the YA's fight Penance of the T-bolts because he's a young hero too! I really hope that the young black knight becomes a good guy.

[BrianWilly]

Well your pretty much trying to tell us what not to talk about so, how about we conform for you? How about no, if some people are having a discussion that is at all relavent to the name of the thread, whats the big deal. We where talking about Wiccan, who is part of the YA, it's not like we're off topic. Do you want us to start a whole new thread dedicated to Wiccan and his power? Probably not, so deal with it, if you want to talk about something else YA related than bring it up, maybe people will catch on, dont tell people what not to talk about.:whatever:Thanks for agreeing with me so passionately:confused:.

[blud_knight]

not sure when truth came out. it was two or three years ago. check your local comic shop. They might have it with the rest of the trades

[Kevin]

I'm picking it up, no doubt.

How would you guys rank these 3 teams, from most favorite to least favorite.

1)New X-Men
2)Young Avengers
3)Runaways
1) New X-men
2) Young Avengers
3) Runaways

[CaptainCanada]

How would you guys rank these 3 teams, from most favorite to least favorite.

1)New X-Men
2)Young Avengers
3)Runaways
1)Young Avengers
2)New X-Men

I don't read Runaways.

[supermarvelman]

So you favorites are just like mine COMICBOY.

[supermarvelman]

1)Young Avengers
2)New X-Men

I don't read Runaways.

So that would make them #3

[Galact-Gal]

Well, I'm not interested in the New X-Men (and me an X-Fanatic :yay: !).

Of the others, I'd rate Young Avengers as #1. I do like Runaways, but I like YA better.

[supermarvelman]

So for Galact-Gal it's

Young Avengers
Runaways
New X-Men

[spideyboy_1111]

I could understand people getting upset if we where talking about how Hellions powers worked and his limitation, cause he is a New X-Man not a Young Avenger, that would make sense to me, but to get upset over a topic that, that has everything to do with the Young Avengers in just plain dumb.

im just sayin it was repetitive cuz it was just the same people saying the same thing and it really wasn't going anywhere is all

[spideyboy_1111]

so anyways... anyone else think iron lads return will be that he will be the leader of the Young MofE

[Kevin]

You know, I never liked Iron Lad all that much.

[supermarvelman]

so anyways... anyone else think iron lads return will be that he will be the leader of the Young MofE


That would be pretty cool. It would be even cooler if the YMofE had a teen Wonder Boy on the team.:woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Well they did say he wouldn't be returning as 'Iron Lad"

[Kevin]

Well they did say he wouldn't be returning as 'Iron Lad"
Yeah, because he's Kang now.

[Colossal Spoons]

I dunno if that's what he meant. I assumed that he'd be returning as a teenager, just not in his IL costume :huh:

[Kevin]

Well last time we saw him, (Young Kang) He pretty much looked like a teen. (YA special) Either way, I don't care too much for it. But that's just me.

[supermarvelman]

He has to eventually become Kang, so he cant stay good forever, I think the Kang leading the Young Masters of Evil is a very good idea.

[Frico]

But didn't Hienberg say we'd see IL again? Maybe someone new in the suit though? :confused:

[Kevin]

What's the pont of a new Iron lad when We have Vision?

[Darthphere]

They need an arc called: "To Catch a Predator" and would be about Adult Kang being in love with Cassie Lang, getting married and calling herself Cassie Kang.:dry:

[Kevin]

Or Cassie Richards.

[Anubis]

I smell an Eisner. :up:

[Eros]

I'm joking I hate MSJ with a passion. Just watching the tv spots for GhostRider piss me off at how campy and non-menacing the movie seems.

Its not MSJ fault, its the studios marketing at fault.I have seen the commercial and they make the movie feel like some swashbuckling action adventure or the theatrical Daredevil movie.

[Darthphere]

I smell an Eisner. :up:

At the end of the issue we'd get a guest shot Chris Hansen with the Avengers behind him.

"I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we're here to kick your ass!"

*giant splash page*

[Eros]

At the end of the issue we'd get a guest shot Chris Hansen with the Avengers behind him.

"I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we're here to kick your ass!"

*giant splash page*

LOL

[Eros]

At the end of the issue we'd get a guest shot Chris Hansen with the Avengers behind him.

"I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we're here to kick your ass!"

*giant splash page*

double Post.

[spideyboy_1111]

it'd just be cool to see an evil teen kang, wich would play with cassies heart.. would be interesting because vision has ironlad/kangs heart... whle kang looks like iron lad..

[Colossal Spoons]

What's the pont of a new Iron lad when We have Vision?

See, I always wondered about this. I wasn't reading Avengers when Tony and Vision were on the same team so I dunno how they differed(if anybody could explain, I'd love that). But Vision and IL would essentially be the same perspn unless Vision started using his powers differently and left all the blasting to Iron Lad.

[deemar325]

Its not MSJ fault, its the studios marketing at fault.I have seen the commercial and they make the movie feel like some swashbuckling action adventure or the theatrical Daredevil movie.


It kinda is, you wouldn't be able to come up with the crappy camp tv spots if it wasn't a pg-13 walking dog filmed by MSJ. I mean it's nothing how I pictured a movie about a demon possessed superhero with a flaming skull would be.

I think MSJ is a nice enough guy, but he needs to stick to Simon Finch type movies. He doesn't have the vision and cinematic style for a movie like this. Steven Norrington or David Fincher would have made a kick ass rated 'R' Ghost Rider movie.

[The Geek Vault]

1) YA's
2) Runaways
3) New X-men

[supermarvelman]

Which team would win in a 3 way fight?

New X-Men
Young Avengers
Runaways

I say New X-Men take the cake, Runaways get schooled, it would basically be YA vs NXM. NXM have to many weapons, they are the strongest most powerful team. What do you guys think.

[Silvermoth]

Which team would win in a 3 way fight?

New X-Men
Young Avengers
Runaways

I say New X-Men take the cake, Runaways get schooled, it would basically be YA vs NXM. NXM have to many weapons, they are the strongest most powerful team. What do you guys think.

Oh I don't know. I bet the Runaways would wait for YA and New X-men to duke it out, then pick off the "winners". Might make for an interesting crossover idea

[ang_hulk]

I like iron lad not only for the suit mods but for his character.I think he looked better with the team and vision seems to get boring at times.

[Darthphere]

See, I always wondered about this. I wasn't reading Avengers when Tony and Vision were on the same team so I dunno how they differed(if anybody could explain, I'd love that). But Vision and IL would essentially be the same perspn unless Vision started using his powers differently and left all the blasting to Iron Lad.

They are still two different people though.

[Anubis]

Like the difference between Wonder Man and Vision. They might essentially be the same person, but due to their different experiences, they've become two completely different people, with completely different personalities.

[Darthphere]

I love you Anubis.

[The Geek Vault]

Vision has the memories of Iron Lad, does that mean he has the memories of Kang? Since Iron Lad saw everything that happened to Kang.

[La The Darkman]

Which team would win in a 3 way fight?

New X-Men
Young Avengers
Runaways

I say New X-Men take the cake, Runaways get schooled, it would basically be YA vs NXM. NXM have to many weapons, they are the strongest most powerful team. What do you guys think.

Woah woah woah, While i do think NXM would win in a fight they are not the most powerful team. Wiccan, Hulkling, and Vision are more powerful than some adult heroes...NXM does have far more training and experiance though.

[Anubis]

I love you Anubis.


And I have a great deal of Guy-Love for you as well.

[Darthphere]

And I have a great deal of Guy-Love for you as well.

:heart:

[supermarvelman]

Oh I don't know. I bet the Runaways would wait for YA and New X-men to duke it out, then pick off the "winners". Might make for an interesting crossover idea

I dont think they'd beable to pick off the winners though, I really think that the runaways would stand no chance in this 3way fight, not even a 2way fight with one of the teams weakened. I like Runaways but I think they would get a big reality check.

[Eros]

I dont think they'd beable to pick off the winners though, I really think that the runaways would stand now chance in this 3way fight, not even a 2way fight with one of the teams weakened. I like Runaways but I think they would get a big reality check.

It only matters what the writer thinks.

[Anubis]

Vision has the memories of Iron Lad, does that mean he has the memories of Kang? Since Iron Lad saw everything that happened to Kang.


He has the memory of having seen Kang's entire history through the eyes of a frightened teenager looking at the monster he will one day become.

[La The Darkman]

I dont think they'd beable to pick off the winners though, I really think that the runaways would stand now chance in this 3way fight, not even a 2way fight with one of the teams weakened. I like Runaways but I think they would get a big reality check.

I don't know about that, I mean Victor and Karolina are pretty impressive at times...They other teams do seem to just come across as smarter and better put together though.

[BrianWilly]

Really, if Heinberg hadn'd explicitly stated that Iron Lad and Vision 2.0 shared the same thought patterns, I don't think I would have picked it up. Imo, their personalities aren't really that similar.

[supermarvelman]

Just like Vision and Wonder Man, although they had the same thought patterns, they were nothing alike.

[Kevin]

I like Vision better.

[Galact-Gal]

Has anybody else noticed that in YA vision is drawn to look like a teenager (which is reasonable if he was made from Iron Lad's armor), but in other comics he's usually drawn like an adult. I find that very...disconcerting.

[Darthphere]

I know, it keeps me up at night.

[BrianWilly]

Thinking about teen Vision keeps me up at night, too.

[Galact-Gal]

Poor babies! Try drinking warm milk and listening to Muzak. :yay:

[Galact-Gal]

Thinking about teen Vision keeps me up at night, too.

Comicboy, is that you?
(Sorry, I just couldn't resist.)

[Kevin]

:mad::p

[Kitsune]

Poor babies! Try drinking warm milk and listening to Muzak. :yay:

Hot bathes seem to work for me. Be glad they haven't made him into a woman.... yet.

[Varient]

What is this a mini, or just a random comment? I take it that this is Truth: Red, White, and Black.

If it's a mini, is it already out or is it coming out, cause I never seen anything for it in any preview magazine.

Was Battlestar 1 of the 5?
(scary)

[Dread]

Has anybody else noticed that in YA vision is drawn to look like a teenager (which is reasonable if he was made from Iron Lad's armor), but in other comics he's usually drawn like an adult. I find that very...disconcerting.

Some artists aren't good at drawing teenagers seperately from young adults. And I am sure some miss the actual Vision and there could be confusion.

[supermarvelman]

(scary)

Whats scary?

[supermarvelman]

Has anybody else noticed that in YA vision is drawn to look like a teenager (which is reasonable if he was made from Iron Lad's armor), but in other comics he's usually drawn like an adult. I find that very...disconcerting.

Big deal, artist interpret characters different, sometimes Hulk looks way bigger than how some other people draw him, it's as simple as that.

[Dread]

Big deal, artist interpret characters different, sometimes Hulk looks way bigger than how some other people draw him, it's as simple as that.

I agree. Just sometimes there should be some across the board mandates, although like I said, sometimes stuff happens and/or some artists don't do well differentiating teenagers with adults.

The character who REALLY needs an editorial mandate on how to look is Beast. Every artist seems to have a different idea of what kind of feline he is supposed to resemble. Quietly went with a more Lion-esque approach, but Cassaday goes for housecat, I've seen others go for Thundercat or puma and they do NOT all look the same. Compared to that, Vision 2.0's had it light.

[spideyboy_1111]

Has anybody else noticed that in YA vision is drawn to look like a teenager (which is reasonable if he was made from Iron Lad's armor), but in other comics he's usually drawn like an adult. I find that very...disconcerting.

its just a pore artist... usually when vision is drawn as an adult.. so are most of the YA's... wich pisses me off.... the artist obviously cant draw a teen compared to a 20 something adult

[spideyboy_1111]

I agree. Just sometimes there should be some across the board mandates, although like I said, sometimes stuff happens and/or some artists don't do well differentiating teenagers with adults.

The character who REALLY needs an editorial mandate on how to look is Beast. Every artist seems to have a different idea of what kind of feline he is supposed to resemble. Quietly went with a more Lion-esque approach, but Cassaday goes for housecat, I've seen others go for Thundercat or puma and they do NOT all look the same. Compared to that, Vision 2.0's had it light.

o you know what was worse? it was either civil war X-men beast.. or phoenix: warsong can't remember wich... but the first issued i think of one of them, had him with a sorta "mouse" ears :(

[The Geek Vault]

I've always thought that artists wouldn't have that hard of a time drawing Vision. I think that the hardest to draw for an artist would be Hulkling.

[Arkady Rossovich]

I went to a Avengers website recently,and they had a interesting question.I answered no,but what do others here think..

"If Alan Heinberg and Jim Cheung did not return for a revamp of Young Avengers would you still support[buy] the comic?"

[Tropico]

I agree. Just sometimes there should be some across the board mandates, although like I said, sometimes stuff happens and/or some artists don't do well differentiating teenagers with adults.

The character who REALLY needs an editorial mandate on how to look is Beast. Every artist seems to have a different idea of what kind of feline he is supposed to resemble. Quietly went with a more Lion-esque approach, but Cassaday goes for housecat, I've seen others go for Thundercat or puma and they do NOT all look the same. Compared to that, Vision 2.0's had it light.

I think a few months back George Perez had said in an interview that they had given him a position where he did exactly that, make the guide pages for how the heroes were supposed to look. Apparently it didn't take.:(

[spideyboy_1111]

I went to a Avengers website recently,and they had a interesting question.I answered no,but what do others here think..

"If Alan Heinberg and Jim Cheung did not return for a revamp of Young Avengers would you still support[buy] the comic?"

that doesnt mean anything if its a fan site and not marvels official site

[Dread]

o you know what was worse? it was either civil war X-men beast.. or phoenix: warsong can't remember wich... but the first issued i think of one of them, had him with a sorta "mouse" ears :(

I know Beast at times looked like a bear in CIVIL WAR: X-MEN.

I think a few months back George Perez had said in an interview that they had given him a position where he did exactly that, make the guide pages for how the heroes were supposed to look. Apparently it didn't take.:(

A shame it didn't take, since he's a classic, straightforward artist.

I went to a Avengers website recently,and they had a interesting question.I answered no,but what do others here think..

"If Alan Heinberg and Jim Cheung did not return for a revamp of Young Avengers would you still support[buy] the comic?"

For the sake of conversation, my answer is, "Probably, but it would depend on the replacement creative team."

[Kevin]

Yes, I would stay with the book if they didn't come back.

[CaptainCanada]

I would still buy it (as long as the new team was good).

[Dread]

That's not to say that I am in the "replace Heinberg/Cheung ASAP" camp. Yes, I want timely issues. But these are THEIR creations and getting Heinberg & Cheung doing the series or even in co-writing or sharing art like Brubaker/Aja on IRON FIST would be #1 option for me.

Just in theory, if Marvel did replace them, it would depend on the creative team, and said team would have BIG shoes to fill.

[Kevin]

Like on Runaways?

[La The Darkman]

I know Beast at times looked like a bear in CIVIL WAR: X-MEN.

If by "at times" you mean "all the time" then yeah.

[Kevin]

Know what? Even though I like the characters in Young Avengers more, I like the writing better in Runaways.

[supermarvelman]

I went to a Avengers website recently,and they had a interesting question.I answered no,but what do others here think..

"If Alan Heinberg and Jim Cheung did not return for a revamp of Young Avengers would you still support[buy] the comic?"


I would, why not, what if people had that attitude about Stan Lee, Marvel would be done by now. Every character in comics has to go through multiple artists and writers, it's just how comics work, deal with it.

[spideyboy_1111]

I would, why not, what if people had that attitude about Stan Lee, Marvel would be done by now. Every character in comics has to go through multiple artists and writers, it's just how comics work, deal with it.

the difference though is stan lee didnt write till issue 12... i dont want other people ruining Allans creations

[supermarvelman]

So if he or they didn't return what do you suggest? If they dont have there own comic, they will have to appear in other peoples books, and that means other writers will still be writing them, so pretty much your saying than if Heinberg doesn't return they should be put on the shelf.

[spideyboy_1111]

well right now i dont like to think about him not returning because i know hes going to

[supermarvelman]

One day he will have to give it up, so it's inevitable that the YA will have to be writen by somebody else. Deal with it.

[spideyboy_1111]

One day he will have to give it up, so it's inevitable that the YA will have to be writen by somebody else. Deal with it.

dude... you sound like a very angry person....

1) im not a moron and know Heinberg isn't writting it forever.. hell he may just right 12 more issues and be done... and guess what... i'm fine with that why? becuase...
2) ITS A NO BRAINER... and
3) 12issues is too short to give up something so good and not complete... if heinberg left.. right now it'd feel incomplete..

[Galact-Gal]

Some artists aren't good at drawing teenagers seperately from young adults. And I am sure some miss the actual Vision and there could be confusion.

I guess my problem is that I can deal with a teen Vision who looks like a teen; but when I see an adult Vision I'm thinking 'Wanda's husband'. And then I start thinking, "Why's he getting all starry-eyed over that teen-aged girl?!!"

[supermarvelman]

dude... you sound like a very angry person....

1) im not a moron and know Heinberg isn't writting it forever.. hell he may just right 12 more issues and be done... and guess what... i'm fine with that why? becuase...
2) ITS A NO BRAINER... and
3) 12issues is too short to give up something so good and not complete... if heinberg left.. right now it'd feel incomplete..


I'm not angry I'm just being real, I never called you a moron, so if you think I'm an angry person than I'd say your an overly sensitive person. I love the YA, and yes Heinberg writes them best, and they are his baby, but realistically it's like a director that doesn't feel like doing a 3rd or 4th sequal, they want to move on to other projects, I would love Heinberg to write the YA forever, but thats not gonna happen, so I'm just saying deal with it cause, somebody else will write them and who knows they might not do bad job, just try and be optimistic instead of doubting everother writer out there cause they didn't create the YA.

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm not angry I'm just being real, I never called you a moron, so if you think I'm an angry person than I'd say your an overly sensitive person. I love the YA, and yes Heinberg writes them best, and they are his baby, but realistically it's like a director that doesn't feel like doing a 3rd or 4th sequal, they want to move on to other projects, I would love Heinberg to write the YA forever, but thats not gonna happen, so I'm just saying deal with it cause, somebody else will write them and who knows they might not do bad job, just try and be optimistic instead of doubting everother writer out there cause they didn't create the YA.

well your telling me to deal with something thats inevitable... im talking one more season, not forever

[supermarvelman]

Yea I'm telling you to deal with it, doesnt mean I'm angry. It's like when people are trying to be sarcastic over the internet, it' hard to pick up on. So you think I'm angry, but I'm not, it just might seem like it because it's over the internet. You seems like your crying but I'm sure your not. He will write the next season when he has time, so if your cool with one more season, than why were you *****ing about him leaving after the second season/volume?

[Eros]

I guess my problem is that I can deal with a teen Vision who looks like a teen; but when I see an adult Vision I'm thinking 'Wanda's husband'. And then I start thinking, "Why's he getting all starry-eyed over that teen-aged girl?!!"


What the **** is the deal anyway with robots trying to bang humans?:huh: The wanda vision relationship made no sense, and a younger version will make even less sense. Victor and Nico over in Runaways is terrible as well.

[supermarvelman]

Well when they have the thought patterns of a human, it would make sense for them to want a relationship, yes it is wierd but, it does somewhat make sense, especially the Scarlet Witch/Vision relationship, WonderMan did hace a thing for her, and Victor thought he was a human most of his life, what is he supposed to just say, oh I'm a robot, well I guess I cant like girls anymore, also its a comic book deal with it.

[Darthphere]

I went to a Avengers website recently,and they had a interesting question.I answered no,but what do others here think..

"If Alan Heinberg and Jim Cheung did not return for a revamp of Young Avengers would you still support[buy] the comic?"

Depending on the team. But I cant see this book without Heinberg and Cheung.

[Eros]

Well when they have the thought patterns of a human, it would make sense for them to want a relationship, yes it is wierd but, it does somewhat make sense, especially the Scarlet Witch/Vision relationship, WonderMan did hace a thing for her, and Victor thought he was a human most of his life, what is he supposed to just say, oh I'm a robot, well I guess I cant like girls anymore, also its a comic book deal with it.

Girls with oversized Toasters bothers me, but I will deal with it.

[supermarvelman]

Depending on the team. But I cant see this book without Heinberg and Cheung.


Would you rather such great characters to be wasted and fall into limbo? Or just be reduced to making cameo appearances in other books where they will be written by other writers anyway? I just dont get it.

[supermarvelman]

Girls with oversized Toasters bothers me, but I will deal with it.

Girls love machines anyway, little banana shaped machines, if you know what I mean.:cwink:

[Darthphere]

Would you rather such great characters to be wasted and fall into limbo? Or just be reduced to making cameo appearances in other books where they will be written by other writers anyway? I just dont get it.

Theyre only as great as the people writing them.

[supermarvelman]

Okay, but wouldn't you rather some other good writer, write them instead of nobody but Heinberg or them falling into limbo, they dont deserve that. I know you like Slott, what if Slott took them on?

[Anubis]

The book would probally get canned.

[Eros]

No it would not Anubis.

[Anubis]

Yes it would Eros.

Because only cool people like Slott, and since most people suck, the book will drop in sales dramatically.

[Darthphere]

Okay, but wouldn't you rather some other good writer, write them instead of nobody but Heinberg or them falling into limbo, they dont deserve that. I know you like Slott, what if Slott took them on?

Why would I want some other good writer when I can have THE good writer.:huh:

[supermarvelman]

Cause he wont do it forever.

[supermarvelman]

The book would probally get canned.

Well if people where more open minded, and not so stubborn about only heinberg writing, than it probably wouldn't be cancelled. Also if your really a fan of YA, it shouldn't matter who's writing them.

[Silvermoth]

Well if people where more open minded, and not so stubborn about only heinberg writing, than it probably wouldn't be cancelled. Also if your really a fan of YA, it shouldn't matter who's writing them.

Who else could write them though with the appropriate levels of teen angst? Maybe Brian K Vaughan!

[Kevin]

No, he'd kill one of them down the line.

[spideyboy_1111]

Yea I'm telling you to deal with it, doesnt mean I'm angry. It's like when people are trying to be sarcastic over the internet, it' hard to pick up on. So you think I'm angry, but I'm not, it just might seem like it because it's over the internet. You seems like your crying but I'm sure your not. He will write the next season when he has time, so if your cool with one more season, than why were you *****ing about him leaving after the second season/volume?

"deal with it" no matter how you put it.. sounds rude to me. and theres a big difference between leaving after 12 issues rather then 24 issues.. 12 issues only is like starting a car and driving it up a hill only to let it roll back down.. he'd leave it half assed and under developed. similar to if Whedon left Astonishing at issue 13...

[deemar325]

Okay, but wouldn't you rather some other good writer, write them instead of nobody but Heinberg or them falling into limbo, they dont deserve that. I know you like Slott, what if Slott took them on?


I'd cream my pants.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well if people where more open minded, and not so stubborn about only heinberg writing, than it probably wouldn't be cancelled. Also if your really a fan of YA, it shouldn't matter who's writing them.

no one is being close minded about getting a new writting team.. thats what you constantly fail to understand... you come off "gun-ho" about getting a new team already.. and majority of us would rather wait for heinberg right now.. because he made the characters... he made what WE love about them nothing even slightly integeral has been added to there characterizations over civil war... and it shouldnt, thats heinbergs job for now, we all know it wont be forever, its just too soon for most of us to be thinking about someone else taking over... and theres nothing wrong with that

[Anubis]

Eh, I don't really care personally.

[deemar325]

I'd rather we get a new writer. Or co-writer for YA.


F--k Heinberg, nice guy sure, but he's not unique or irreplaceable.

[Kevin]

:eek:

[supermarvelman]

"deal with it" no matter how you put it.. sounds rude to me. and theres a big difference between leaving after 12 issues rather then 24 issues.. 12 issues only is like starting a car and driving it up a hill only to let it roll back down.. he'd leave it half assed and under developed. similar to if Whedon left Astonishing at issue 13...

If you take it as being rude, thats how you take it, thats not how I mean it, so if you feel its rude it's not my fault, I might say the word or phrase, but it's how you take it. Well Hainberg probably will be 24 issues, so 12 more, 1 more volume, and that will be it for him, for now. Somebody else will take over, and hopefully they do as good a job as Heinberg.

Loeb taking over for Millar is very similar to somebody taking over for Heinberg. I know that the characters in the Ultimates are not his "baby's", but the Ultimates are kinda Millar's "baby. Millar had the perfect tone for Ultimates, and to see him leave, it's natural to kinda worry, cause Loeb doesn't really do that political thing like Millar. I do think Loeb will do an awesome job with Ultimates though, but his style is very different than Millar's, it is somewhat similar to somebody taking over for Heinberg

[Anubis]

I'd rather we get a new writer. Or co-writer for YA.


F--k Heinberg, nice guy sure, but he's not unique or irreplaceable.


Yeah, that's the way I feel. And at the same time, I'm not chomping at the bit for them to do something like get a fill in or anything. I'm cool with it being on hiatus until he gets his s**t together or a bi monthly schedule. I've been cutting back on comics anyway, and if the books not coming out, that's more money in my pocket month to month. More money for booze and floozies. :o

[deemar325]

Comicboy don't start the pouting it only works on me all of the time.

heh.

[spideyboy_1111]

If you take it as being rude, thats how you take it, thats not how I mean it, so if you feel its rude it's not my fault, I might say the word or phrase, but it's how you take it. Well Hainberg probably will be 24 issues, so 12 more, 1 more volume, and that will be it for him, for now. Somebody else will take over, and hopefully they do as good a job as Heinberg.

Loeb taking over for Millar is very similar to somebody taking over for Heinberg. I know that the characters in the Ultimates are not his "baby's", but the Ultimates are kinda Millar's "baby. Millar had the perfect tone for Ultimates, and to see him leave, it's natural to kinda worry, cause Loeb doesn't really do that political thing like Millar. I do think Loeb will do an awesome job with Ultimates though, but his style is very different than Millar's, it is somewhat similar to somebody taking over for Heinberg

and i'd be perfectly find with that.. an i'd only worry if he was was ending it at 12 issues... so im not

[deemar325]

Yeah, that's the way I feel. And at the same time, I'm not chomping at the bit for them to do something like get a fill in or anything. I'm cool with it being on hiatus until he gets his s**t together or a bi monthly schedule. I've been cutting back on comics anyway, and if the books not coming out, that's more money in my pocket month to month. More money for booze and floozies. :o


On lean times yea ol' God o' Death?

Heinberg needs to just be a man and admit when he's swamped and just team-up with a co-writer, problem solved.

[supermarvelman]

no one is being close minded about getting a new writting team.. thats what you constantly fail to understand... you come off "gun-ho" about getting a new team already.. and majority of us would rather wait for heinberg right now.. because he made the characters... he made what WE love about them nothing even slightly integeral has been added to there characterizations over civil war... and it shouldnt, thats heinbergs job for now, we all know it wont be forever, its just too soon for most of us to be thinking about someone else taking over... and theres nothing wrong with that

I feel you, I love these characters, and Heinberg wrote them, but I'm not gung-ho about a new writer, like I've already said I would much rather Heinberg keep writing them as much as the next fan, but what ever happens, happens. I might also seem gung-ho because I'm not really worrying right now, cause I'm pretty sure andconfident that he will be on for 12 more issues, which means he will be writing them for the next year and a half, once the next vloume starts. So you really wont have to worry until about late 2008 - early 2009, thats a while from now so...

[spideyboy_1111]

I feel you, I love these characters, and Heinberg wrote them, but I'm not gung-ho about a new writer, like I've already said I would much rather Heinberg keep writing them as much as the next fan, but what ever happens, happens. I might also seem gung-ho because I'm not really worrying right now, cause I'm pretty sure andconfident that he will be on for 12 more issues, which means he will be writing them for the next year and a half, once the next vloume starts. So you really wont have to worry until about late 2008 - early 2009, thats a while from now so...

exactly

[supermarvelman]

So just enjoy.

[spideyboy_1111]

i am... lol thats what ive been tryin to tell you... :(

[Darthphere]

Cause he wont do it forever.

There's no way of you knowing that.:word:

[supermarvelman]

Yea right, sure bud.

[Darthphere]

See, you didn't deny it. I win.

[supermarvelman]

Yea sure bud, whatever you say.

[Darthphere]

Ok, I win.

[PWN3R]

If you don't agree, then Al Qaeda has already won. Are you a terrorist marvelman?

[supermarvelman]

No I'm not.

[Darthphere]

Then he agrees, yay me!

[Dread]

Like on Runaways?

Exactly like RUNAWAYS. On the plus side, at least Zeb Wells on YA/RUNAWAYS proved it was possible in theory.

If by "at times" you mean "all the time" then yeah.

Yeah. I was being nice. ;) Some panels he looked like a puma but usually came off as bear more often than not in that one.

Know what? Even though I like the characters in Young Avengers more, I like the writing better in Runaways.

I enjoy both all but equally (when they used to ship around the same time) so I refuse to choose. Both BKV and Heinberg have their own styles, strengths, and weaknesses. Both capture young heroes well, do their research, and have a flair for dialogue. Heinberg is a little better with action than BKV is, but BKV is better with twists. BKV also seems to have faster artists, on average. Alphona, even when delayed, isn't as slow as Cheung. BKV likes to create new characters and dynamics while Heinberg in his first year on YA relied heavily on past villians and history to "sell" his franchise and heavilly immerse the YA into the Marvel mainstream, while the Runaways are more seperate, and both worked out well. They are different books in a way and that is essential; it also is part of why their CW mini came off well. But I used to always tie YA and RUNAWAYS with my nod of #1 Marvel book, and I stick to that. They're both great, and I won't choose a better between them.

It will be interesting when Heinberg & Cheung return to do volume two, which Marvel is likely waiting for, because by then Whedon & Ryan will be doing their first arc of RUNAWAYS taking over from BKV.

I guess my problem is that I can deal with a teen Vision who looks like a teen; but when I see an adult Vision I'm thinking 'Wanda's husband'. And then I start thinking, "Why's he getting all starry-eyed over that teen-aged girl?!!"

I see. I can understand as we've had "Wanda's husband" adult Vision far longer than "Kang armor with Vision & Iron Lad's persona" Vision 2.0.

[supermarvelman]

Then he agrees, yay me!

Yay for Darth:dry:

[spideyboy_1111]

sad news folks.. i messaged Allan last night about when he will be getting back to work on YA... heres what i got.

Sadly, Jim Cheung won't be available now until this summer. So, we're aiming to start work then.

Thanks for being so patient.

Hope all's well,

Heinberg

whelp least this will stop the ramblings about Allan being the one who's causing it to be late

[CaptainCanada]

whelp least this will stop the ramblings about Allan being the one who's causing it to be late
Seeing as he can't even find the time to finish his Wonder Woman run, I don't know how Cheung being available would significantly change things in the present.

[spideyboy_1111]

Grey's is done for the year.. he's finished that.. and is finishing up wonder woman as we speak... chueng went on to other things... and wont be available till summer

[GNR]

That sounds fine.It would be worth the wait.

[Darthphere]

You actually thought it would be sooner? I personalyl was expecting Fall of 07, Summer sounds ambitious.

[spideyboy_1111]

well from what i understand Allan's been writing it... sure hes not done, but he knows where the stories are going, he just needs chueng to draw it now

[Colossal Spoons]

Gotta love hiring TV people to write comic books

[spideyboy_1111]

ummmm again.. do you read? allan's been writing it, hes not done, but doesnt matter because Chueng hasn't drawn any thing yet, Allan's waiting on chueng

[The Cajun]

Bloody joke.

Why hire people to write comics when the main issue is they don't have the time to write comics?

Allan's been pissing about with other things so its no wonder his artist has gone off to start new things. He couldn't just sit around waiting for the phone to ring telling him he could start drawing YA again.

Marvel should be a lot tougher in situations like these.

[spideyboy_1111]

hey, just be thankful were not left hanging like Kevin Smith did with Black Cat.... be thankful a chapter finished.... I love how people keep flaming Allan but worship the feet of Cheung... thinking he can do no wrong

[Colossal Spoons]

ummmm again.. do you read? allan's been writing it, hes not done, but doesnt matter because Chueng hasn't drawn any thing yet, Allan's waiting on chueng

Cheung's at fault as well but you can't honestly believe that Allan's schedule isn't part of the prob?

[spideyboy_1111]

Cheung's at fault as well but you can't honestly believe that Allan's schedule isn't part of the prob?

it was part of the problem.. but now its not, Grey's is what was holding him back, and hes done writting for the season, there both at fault, but you honestly can only blame Marvel for hiring someone who has further obligations, hes also new at this so probably thought he could handle more... i'm sure once YA or Wonderwoman is done he will only be writting one... and he most likely will drop Wonderwoman

[GOODT!MES]

Say what you will about the lateness, but the comics written by TV writers usually rule. I can stand to wait a while.

[Colossal Spoons]

...like Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine? :o

[LouFerignoDemon]

Or Iron Man Vol. 4 for the first seven issues.

[GOODT!MES]

Or Ultimate Iron Man, which still hasn't returned. But they're good comics. (especially Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine)

EDIT: Orson Scott Card isn't TV, but he's still an outside medium writer.

[Kevin]

sad news folks.. i messaged Allan last night about when he will be getting back to work on YA... heres what i got.



whelp least this will stop the ramblings about Allan being the one who's causing it to be late
I already figured this out once Marvel stated NA: I would be going bi-monthly. Everyone's to blame for this, and I don't ever care anymore.

[spideyboy_1111]

Say what you will about the lateness, but the comics written by TV writers usually rule. I can stand to wait a while.

i agree... i'd rather wait for good stories then mediocre filler ones

[spideyboy_1111]

...like Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine? :o

Who cares about ultimates these days... ?:huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

All the people who buy the books; indicated by the fact that they're still on the shelves :heart:

[Colossal Spoons]

i agree... i'd rather wait for good stories then mediocre filler ones


How about Astonishing X-Men? All the wait...for a mediocre story. Goooo Whedon :p

[spideyboy_1111]

All the people who buy the books; indicated by the fact that they're still on the shelves :heart:

meh... ult has lost many readers though... hell its flag ship spidey has been crap for at least a year... stupid alternate universe

[spideyboy_1111]

How about Astonishing X-Men? All the wait...for a mediocre story. Goooo Whedon :p

i've loved every inch of astonishing... nothin mediocre to me about it

[Kevin]

i agree... i'd rather wait for good stories then mediocre filler ones
:huh: A story is only as good as the writer makes it. Anyone can write a good story, Everyone can write a bad story.

[Colossal Spoons]

i've loved every inch of astonishing... nothin mediocre to me about it

I loved it back when Colossus returned but since the Danger arc, it's been a whole heap of "better than meh" to me. Surely nothing I'm happy about waiting for.

[spideyboy_1111]

well i've been loving it... esp the kitty vs emma fight, that actually that whole arch was great, with wolverine acting like a child.. and beast going feral and eating wolverine.. and kitty and piotr getting "smelt" after having sex.... i loved it

[spideyboy_1111]

:huh: A story is only as good as the writer makes it. Anyone can write a good story, Everyone can write a bad story.

obviously.. but these are Allan and Jim's characters.. they're establishing them, they're the ones who gave them life... let them handle them.

[Kevin]

*sigh*

[spideyboy_1111]

just be patient.. we're privilaged to be getting them at all

[Colossal Spoons]

well i've been loving it... esp the kitty vs emma fight, that actually that whole arch was great, with wolverine acting like a child.. and beast going feral and eating wolverine.. and kitty and piotr getting "smelt" after having sex.... i loved it

Those were all awesome moments but I need more than moments. I need awesome arcs.

[spideyboy_1111]

Those were all awesome moments but I need more than moments. I need awesome arcs.

i thought it was a pretty good arch.....

[Dread]

To add to the digression discussion, ASTONISHING I believe started off with such a bang that afterwards it has been unable to top itself. On top of that, Whedon's pacing is slow, stretching every story to 6 parts when most Marvel writers have backed off that stance to provide arcs than can be 4-5 issues. Throw in an eclectic publishing schedule and you get a book that moves slowly and rarely is on the stands. It's the #1 selling X-book, but loses some oomph due to that.

So, Heinberg is shooting for Summer 2007 when Cheung is "finished"? Considering THE ILLUMINATI will inevitably run behind, that may be ambitious at best. Heinberg himself has proven unable to ship WONDER WOMAN at a timely rate for even 5 issues. Will he blame the artist there, too? TV writers have made a knack of blaming the artists, and while some are slow (Cassaday and Cheung cannot draw a monthly comic. Period. End of discussion. This has been a fact for about 5 years), that doesn't leave the TV/movie people off the hook for naturally seeing their TV/movie work as a higher priority. If Heinberg is late with a GREY script, he's gone. Late with a YA script, and Joe Q chuckles about it on Newsarama as if his baby just made a burp. The TV/movie people know damn well that Marvel won't fire them after hiring them so they see fit to see that as a lower priority when it comes to deadlines. Them's the breaks. Hence the folly of bending over backwards "to make the Hollywood people like us".

[spideyboy_1111]

To add to the digression discussion, ASTONISHING I believe started off with such a bang that afterwards it has been unable to top itself. On top of that, Whedon's pacing is slow, stretching every story to 6 parts when most Marvel writers have backed off that stance to provide arcs than can be 4-5 issues. Throw in an eclectic publishing schedule and you get a book that moves slowly and rarely is on the stands. It's the #1 selling X-book, but loses some oomph due to that.

So, Heinberg is shooting for Summer 2007 when Cheung is "finished"? Considering THE ILLUMINATI will inevitably run behind, that may be ambitious at best. Heinberg himself has proven unable to ship WONDER WOMAN at a timely rate for even 5 issues. Will he blame the artist there, too? TV writers have made a knack of blaming the artists, and while some are slow (Cassaday and Cheung cannot draw a monthly comic. Period. End of discussion. This has been a fact for about 5 years), that doesn't leave the TV/movie people off the hook for naturally seeing their TV/movie work as a higher priority. If Heinberg is late with a GREY script, he's gone. Late with a YA script, and Joe Q chuckles about it on Newsarama as if his baby just made a burp. The TV/movie people know damn well that Marvel won't fire them after hiring them so they see fit to see that as a lower priority when it comes to deadlines. Them's the breaks. Hence the folly of bending over backwards "to make the Hollywood people like us".


the comic industry can't say know.. they need all the "star" writers they can get... the comic industry isn't nearly as big as the movie/tv industry and marvel (like other comic companies) realise this would result in loss of revenue... they have to cater for the writers and artist (esp when there A listers) rather then the writers and artist catering to marvel... like it or not, thats the way it works

[Colossal Spoons]

This can all be avoided in the future by not hiring TV people as writers, It's really that simple.

[spideyboy_1111]

actually it can't... the reason they hire TV/Movie writers is to bring in more readers and make more money

[Kevin]

But they are hiring the wrong writers.

[spideyboy_1111]

no there not... we wouldnt have YA if it wasnt for heinberg... Astonishing wouldnt be the top selling X-book without Joss, and Black Cat: Evil that men do would have been the equivilant of "claws" if kevin smith and terry dodson werent on it...

[Kevin]

Look, you can think one thing, i'm thinking another. If a TV writer cannot turn in a script for a monthly comic on time, they should not be doing a monthly comic. Marvel should not have made this, or the other books, a monthly either. There are fans out there who get tired of waiting. Then they will look back and see if what they already read was worth waiting for in the first place. There are two questions I ask myself. Was Young Avengers, for me, worth the wait when is was late? and Is it now, for me, worth the wait?

[Colossal Spoons]

actually it can't... the reason they hire TV/Movie writers is to bring in more readers and make more money

The fans that jump on a title b/c the writer is a famous TV person usually drop the book once said writer leaves. So Marvel gets a spike of revenue while that writer is on the book. Look at how many people are gonna buy Runaways when Whedon jumps on, and watch how many of them quit the book when he leaves.

[spideyboy_1111]

sorry.. but i'm happy for getting what we got... you sound like a whiney lil boy.. YA is worth the wait.. and i like the team whos been doing it best... the 2 issues without cheung... hardly felt like YA, which sucked because it had one of the best written moments (billy and teddy's outing), but it felt cheap due to the art... then theres YA/Runaways which was alot of fun, but still doesnt feel as great as Allans work sooo yes.. it worth the wait

[spideyboy_1111]

The fans that jump on a title b/c the writer is a famous TV person usually drop the book once said writer leaves. So Marvel gets a spike of revenue while that writer is on the book. Look at how many people are gonna buy Runaways when Whedon jumps on, and watch how many of them quit the book when he leaves.

most people stay unless it begins to suck

[Kevin]

I can sound whiny, but If I'm wasting my money on something, it'd better be worth it.

[Colossal Spoons]

most people stay unless it begins to suck


I wish we were all like that, but you'd be surprised at how fickle a lot of people are. They follow their fav writer, artist, or character regardless of how the book is doing. It's quite dumb really, cuz they drop and pick up books left and right.

[spideyboy_1111]

I can sound whiny, but If I'm wasting my money on something, it'd better be worth it.

and have you been wasting your money with buying YA?

[Kevin]

I can't answer that. I'm bitter and would probably say something I'll regret.

[Anubis]

Well, you haven't lived life yet if you ain't got no regrets.

[necross20]

Guess this means a few comics were late again and nobody got their fix.

[Colossal Spoons]

I can't answer that. I'm bitter and would probably say something I'll regret.

Why are you always so bitter?

[Kevin]

I don't even know anymore. Everything just pisses me off lately.:(

[TheCorpulent1]

Are you, by any chance, in high school or middle school?

[Kevin]

No.

[TheCorpulent1]

Must be some residual teen angst coming back, then. Don't worry, you'll be over it by the time you're out of college.

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't even know anymore. Everything just pisses me off lately.:(


You need some cool new friends in real life :up:

[Kevin]

You need some cool new friends in real life :up:
I actually agree. I can't deal with some of the old ones. I need to move on.

[TheCorpulent1]

Take some of their stuff when you go. That means you win.

[necross20]

I was always told the mature thing to do was set fire to their stuff, preferably if it's near to their current location like say on them.

[The Geek Vault]

YAY for fire. I started a forest fire once! Anywho Any YA's news yet fellas?

[necross20]

I've been wondering if there's a date for the new series/arc. Don't suppose anyone knows?

[Colossal Spoons]

They won't likely release a date until it gets close to that time. Right now, it's either summer or fall.

[Darthphere]

Here's the thing. I can't blame Heinberg for taking his tv work as priority. Thats his money maker, thats what keeps him going. So if I were in his shoes, I understand the dilemma perfectly. YET, the delays are annoying and marvel and DC should've taken that into account when hiring him, making sure he actually had the issues done before even soliciting them. Furthermore, exacerbating the situation is the inability of the Dodsons and Cheung to draw a monthly comic, making the initial delay even further. Its a domino effect.

[Colossal Spoons]

Here's the thing. I can't blame Heinberg for taking his tv work as priority. Thats his money maker, thats what keeps him going. So if I were in his shoes, I understand the dilemma perfectly. YET, the delays are annoying and marvel and DC should've taken that into account when hiring him, making sure he actually had the issues done before even soliciting them. Furthermore, exacerbating the situation is the inability of the Dodsons and Cheung to draw a monthly comic, making the initial delay even further. Its a domino effect.

*giggle*

[Darthphere]

Immature dude.

[Colossal Spoons]

W/e. It's Wednesday :o

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, you haven't lived life yet if you ain't got no regrets.

well i know this wasn't directed at me.. but i've lived life.. i just choose to not look at my bad decisions as regrets, because without them, i wouldn't be who i am today... and i'd never wanna change that ;)

[Anubis]

The more you know, the more you grow :o

[Kevin]

This has been an NBC moment.

[GOODT!MES]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU3m4N9iOQI

[Anubis]

Heh, I love that show.

[Arkady Rossovich]

With reguards to the writer.Like it has been said,i could imagine Heinberg for staying with his other works.But it just goes to show,that i doubt he will ever be a real comic book writer.Or it could be that he might be afraid to jump into the comic loop,and be at Joe Q`s mercy.I heard YA will be back sometime this year,as for a date..i dont expect one.

I thought i would quote a post i found on another forum,to see what some would think of it...

Anyway, I was thinking today what's going to happen to them after CW. The majority of the team is on Caps side, however Cassie (AKA Stature) has sided with Iron Man. I don't know what Speed is doing as I can't recall seeing him in any of the CW books.

With this divide in the group do you reckon the team will stay wit the current line up or do you think new members may come in. Cassy may not want to stay with the team after Civil War (however i can't imagine the others kicking her out.) Also, Kate Bishop (AKA Hawkeye) and Cassie were quite close in the YA books so there might even be a "she goes, I go" thing happening. Actually, two teams of Young Avengers, one all male, one all female, could be interesting.

[LouFerignoDemon]

Heh, I love that show.


I actually had that show sent to me as a birthday present from America it's that good.

[necross20]

Does anyone know if they YA will be working for S.H.I.E.L.D now?

[Colossal Spoons]

We'll find out whenever Allan finds it in his heart to get the F back to work :heart:

[AndThePickles]

We'll find out whenever Allan finds it in his heart to get the F back to work :heart:

If he ever does :csad:

[necross20]

lol